ES2011a H00 FEE041 37.14 39.15 Welcome everybody. ES2011a H00 FEE041 39.15 43.32 Um, I'm Abigail Claflin. ES2011a H00 FEE041 43.32 44.39 You can call me Abbie. ES2011a H00 FEE041 34.27 37.14 Here we go. ES2011a H00 FEE041 47.63 50.2 PowerPoint, that's not it. ES2011a H00 FEE041 50.2 51.33 There we go. ES2011a H00 FEE041 46.43 47.63 'S see. ES2011a H00 FEE041 55.53 56.85 Um ES2011a H00 FEE041 51.33 55.53 So this is our kick off meeting. ES2011a H00 FEE041 62.17 64.28 Let's shall we all introduce ourselves? ES2011a H00 FEE041 58.56 62.17 and I guess we should all get acquainted. ES2011a H03 FEE044 73 77.78 or would you like me to just say my name and then we can talk about business later? ES2011a H03 FEE044 70.04 73 Um, would you like me to talk about my aims at the moment ES2011a H03 FEE044 65 70.04 Hi I'm Chiara, I'm the um Marketing Expert. ES2011a H00 FEE041 77.04 78.98 I think we'll get around to that, yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 78.98 80.79 So this is just introductions yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 78.93 80.51 We'll get round to that later. ES2011a H03 FEE044 80.51 82.89 My name is Chiara and I'm the Marketing Expert. ES2011a H00 FEE041 82.98 83.64 Okay. ES2011a H00 FEE041 83.64 89.24 I forgot to s say I'm the Project Manager but I figured you all knew that already, um so. ES2011a H02 FEE043 88.66 93.1 I'm Stephanie and I am the User Interface Designer. ES2011a H01 FEE042 93.94 95.68 I'm Krista and I'm the Industrial Designer. ES2011a H00 FEE041 96.02 96.35 Okay. ES2011a H00 FEE041 98.26 102.23 Um so f here's our agenda for today. ES2011a H00 FEE041 102.23 107.77 Um we're gonna do some tool training, project plan and discuss ES2011a H00 FEE041 108.92 111.99 then close. ES2011a H00 FEE041 139.55 140.41 Oh there it is. ES2011a H00 FEE041 141.19 144.35 Functional design, conceptual design and detailed design. ES2011a H00 FEE041 140.41 141.19 Right. ES2011a H00 FEE041 124.27 135.79 And to do this, we have to um there's certain things we have to consider about functional aspects and conceptual design of the thing. ES2011a H00 FEE041 111.99 116.57 Um so. ES2011a H00 FEE041 137.29 139.55 We'll get to that. ES2011a H00 FEE041 135.79 137.29 So. ES2011a H00 FEE041 144.35 150.87 So throughout our next couple of meetings we'll we'll be covering these things. ES2011a H00 FEE041 150.87 154.36 Um so we're gonna try out our white board. ES2011a H00 FEE041 116.57 124.27 So our aim is to produce a remote control that is original, trendy and user friendly. ES2011a H00 FEE041 157.03 164.1 If we'll all draw our favourite animal, to sum up the characteristics of that animal. ES2011a H02 FEE043 166.81 168.51 So you want us to draw it and then talk about it? ES2011a H02 FEE043 168.51 169.81 Or just draw it? ES2011a H00 FEE041 166.85 167.28 Okay. ES2011a H03 FEE044 172.05 173.57 I think both. ES2011a H00 FEE041 173.16 174.02 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 174.02 174.84 Both. ES2011a H00 FEE041 174.84 176.7 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 173.91 175.93 Why don't we do both. ES2011a H02 FEE043 173.16 173.91 Okay. ES2011a H02 FEE043 175.93 176.24 Right. ES2011a H03 FEE044 180.79 181.08 Uh-huh. ES2011a H03 FEE044 176.81 180.01 We ought to decide who starts and all that. ES2011a H03 FEE044 175.8 176.81 Who starts? ES2011a H03 FEE044 180.01 180.79 No? ES2011a H00 FEE041 180.64 182.69 Any volunteers? ES2011a H00 FEE041 182.69 184.96 Does anyone know what they wanna draw? ES2011a H02 FEE043 186.7 187.72 Uh ES2011a H02 FEE043 184.17 186.7 Mm, I gotta think about it for a second like. ES2011a H02 FEE043 190.9 195.19 Does it have to be functional, trendy and user friendly? ES2011a H00 FEE041 193.75 196.54 I don't think so. ES2011a H02 FEE043 196.53 197.03 Um. ES2011a H02 FEE043 200.05 200.66 Okay, I'll draw. ES2011a H02 FEE043 200.66 201.2 I'll draw one. ES2011a H02 FEE043 203.5 205.25 Make sure my things here. ES2011a H02 FEE043 220.69 220.87 Uh-oh. ES2011a H02 FEE043 229.48 229.96 Right. ES2011a H02 FEE043 239.31 243.49 Okay, my favourite animal is see. ES2011a H02 FEE043 261.76 262.14 Oops. ES2011a H00 FEE041 265.48 269.33 A dolphin. ES2011a H00 FEE041 269.33 270.51 'S like playing Pictionary. ES2011a H02 FEE043 266.6 268.79 Yeah, it's ES2011a H02 FEE043 269.58 272.79 Yeah, I guess it has a fin on top too, yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 278.81 280.44 It's my dolphin. ES2011a H00 FEE041 279.42 286.2 So what characteristics do you like about your animal? ES2011a H02 FEE043 284.36 286.18 I like its tail. ES2011a H02 FEE043 290.6 301.24 they're smart and they they're cute and they like swimming and that's cool, like they're graceful yeah, and they're so ES2011a H02 FEE043 286.18 290.6 Um, no, I think dolphins are really uh I dunno, ES2011a H00 FEE041 298.52 299.25 They're graceful. ES2011a H00 FEE041 302.85 305.48 Sleek. ES2011a H02 FEE043 303.16 310.31 Yeah they're sleek and they look intelligent and I don't know, they're I guess it's the whole like binocular vision thing. ES2011a H00 FEE041 309.22 313.88 I don't know how intelligent that one looks. ES2011a H02 FEE043 311.39 314.42 Yeah he he doesn't look that smart. ES2011a H02 FEE043 338.64 340.88 but they swim. ES2011a H02 FEE043 314.42 338.64 He's a I dunno um they're I think it's cool the the um the interaction that or the th things that the reasons people seem to like you know you get ex you know people are sitting on the beach and p they're like oh look there's dolphins and it's kinda like but they're you know they jump around in the water and they're happy and they're mammals ES2011a H00 FEE041 338.96 339.12 Yes. ES2011a H00 FEE041 339.12 345.4 Does anybody else wanna draw their animal? ES2011a H01 FEE042 346.66 349.35 Suppose I can draw an animal, yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 379.03 381.32 It's a cat. ES2011a H00 FEE041 376.08 379.03 Uh-oh there goes the ten. ES2011a H01 FEE042 377.93 380.22 Yeah. ES2011a H01 FEE042 386.53 389.07 They sleep all day, they're easy to draw. ES2011a H01 FEE042 386.04 386.53 I don't know. ES2011a H00 FEE041 396.16 398.62 I dunno if the the ah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 394.66 396.16 Do you wanna anything? ES2011a H03 FEE044 395.22 396.26 Uh yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 396.26 400.82 Well I had the cat as well, but uh I've got a spare one. ES2011a H01 FEE042 396.66 398.81 I think the pen is running out of ES2011a H03 FEE044 401.49 403.74 So I'll use the spare one. ES2011a H03 FEE044 405.32 408.73 Um but it's harder to draw um. ES2011a H02 FEE043 408.26 410.71 And the pen's dying. ES2011a H03 FEE044 409.82 410.49 Um. ES2011a H00 FEE041 414.06 414.97 A horse. ES2011a H03 FEE044 414.09 414.45 Uh. ES2011a H02 FEE043 414.39 415.17 Horse. ES2011a H03 FEE044 419.01 424.67 Um I don't really know how the legs go, but anyway I will do that. ES2011a H00 FEE041 421.19 421.91 That's very good. ES2011a H03 FEE044 439.71 448.85 And I like the way um they feel, sort of under under the hand, I think that's pretty much it. ES2011a H03 FEE044 448.85 449.37 Um ES2011a H03 FEE044 429.69 433.08 I think they're very pretty and they go well with the environment ES2011a H03 FEE044 433.08 439.71 and I like the way they run and I used to do horse riding and they're just very sort of sturdy and nice animals. ES2011a H03 FEE044 425.91 429.69 Um, and the main reason is they're pretty. ES2011a H00 FEE041 449.93 450.63 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 458.82 461.01 This cord's ES2011a H00 FEE041 469.2 470.69 Right. ES2011a H00 FEE041 470.69 474.12 Actually I haven't thought of anything yet. ES2011a H00 FEE041 468.02 469.2 Uh. ES2011a H00 FEE041 474.12 475.11 Uh ES2011a H00 FEE041 491.62 494.8 So I'm thinking we should design a remote control that's ES2011a H00 FEE041 487.56 491.62 It's a pig. ES2011a H00 FEE041 496.25 498.73 water resistant, strong and furry. ES2011a H00 FEE041 502.34 508.46 This is yeah, well like a cat, you know, soft yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 511.04 514.07 Right. ES2011a H00 FEE041 508.46 511.04 Although uh I'll just put there. ES2011a H00 FEE041 498.73 502.34 What do you think, yeah? ES2011a H02 FEE043 502.1 502.67 And furry. ES2011a H02 FEE043 505.36 508.83 Textile tactile, tactile remote control. ES2011a H02 FEE043 515.09 520.35 You're dragging a you have a tail. ES2011a H00 FEE041 516.43 519.55 Oh my gosh, this is disastrous. ES2011a H00 FEE041 521.83 522.9 Sorry about that. ES2011a H00 FEE041 546.58 550.99 Um, and we will hope to sell this internationally. ES2011a H00 FEE041 530.49 539.17 Our selling price goal is twenty five Euro and profit aim is fifty million Euro. ES2011a H00 FEE041 539.17 546.58 So I'm guessing that we're not actually in Scotland, we're in some European country. ES2011a H00 FEE041 527.26 530.49 So moving on. ES2011a H00 FEE041 524.32 527.26 Okay. ES2011a H02 FEE043 551.61 554.92 Sorry can you just say that what's the what are our price goals again? ES2011a H00 FEE041 555.49 558.88 Um selling price is twenty five Euro. ES2011a H00 FEE041 558.88 563.14 Profit aim fifty million Euro. ES2011a H02 FEE043 557.6 558.2 Okay. ES2011a H03 FEE044 567.89 570.62 How many should we sell then? ES2011a H03 FEE044 570.62 577.6 Um, a lot, two two two million, two mi no, more f four million. ES2011a H00 FEE041 571.73 574.26 Anyone a mathematician? ES2011a H01 FEE042 577.98 578.42 Two million. ES2011a H03 FEE044 580.19 586.8 And it well it's the profit so if a profit for each is twelve fifty, that'll do four million. ES2011a H03 FEE044 578.64 580.19 Four million. ES2011a H01 FEE042 584.77 585.45 Oh, yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 599.21 599.66 Uh. ES2011a H03 FEE044 597.55 599.21 It is a lot. ES2011a H00 FEE041 614.41 618.15 So f that's a fifty percent um uh. ES2011a H00 FEE041 628.35 640.05 So I guess we have to reflect on our experiences with remote controls to decide what um we would like to see in a convenient, practical, ES2011a H00 FEE041 619.55 625.91 Um, I don't know what these mean because I didn't actually make the slide-show. ES2011a H00 FEE041 625.91 628.35 Experience with remote control. ES2011a H00 FEE041 641.4 643.51 nice remote control. ES2011a H00 FEE041 643.51 654.95 Um so do we have any initial ideas for uh how this remote control should be designed or formatted or the the buttons it should have. ES2011a H03 FEE044 654.15 660.06 Um, I think one thing is that it should be easy to find bec yeah bec ES2011a H02 FEE043 666.16 668.1 so just have a call button, I've always wanted that, ES2011a H02 FEE043 672.12 676.09 so you should have a call button on your television to be able to find your remote control. ES2011a H02 FEE043 658.36 659.66 I was thinking that too. ES2011a H02 FEE043 659.66 666.16 I think we should design something that has like a so you can like somehow like you I mean you always know where your T. V. is, ES2011a H02 FEE043 668.1 672.12 so like you can push a button on your T. V. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah ES2011a H00 FEE041 659.66 660 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 668.04 669.31 Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 669.45 672.22 I mean you have it for the portable phone, so why not yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 668.26 669.45 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 674.61 675.03 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 676.52 678.82 And even I think a little light. ES2011a H03 FEE044 678.82 683.24 Um or even a maybe a vib a vibrating thing. ES2011a H03 FEE044 683.24 686.59 I dunno but someth because it's usually under the sofa. ES2011a H02 FEE043 687.41 688.06 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 688.06 688.37 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 687.55 694.15 In which case you're going to be l but if it has a sort of signal which isn't any sound I don't know if it's expensive maybe to ES2011a H02 FEE043 692.38 693.94 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 702.47 705.68 it can light up and make noise and I dunno. ES2011a H02 FEE043 693.94 702.47 I don't yeah I mean it but like I mean just I mean like your phone even just has so like it can vibrate ES2011a H03 FEE044 695.09 696.45 Maybe call is enough. ES2011a H03 FEE044 696.45 697.04 But yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 701.17 701.99 Yeah yeah yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 704.23 704.77 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 712.88 714.92 What if it had something like um ES2011a H00 FEE041 732.56 738.67 'Cause people just stick it on top of their T. V., but the point of having a remote is not to have to walk over to the T. V., so ES2011a H00 FEE041 716.23 725.17 just like a magnet on the back of it and you could I mean j just to have some place to put it besides like a base. ES2011a H00 FEE041 725.17 732.56 You know like a portable phone has a base, like just to have a home for it. ES2011a H02 FEE043 725.85 728.15 Yeah, or if it had a yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 724.86 725.85 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 730.69 731.77 Yeah yeah yeah yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 731.8 732.64 Yeah, I mean ES2011a H01 FEE042 736.97 739.66 Well that's why it's always in the couch. ES2011a H02 FEE043 737.84 738.37 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 739.65 740.31 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 739.79 742.47 Yeah, in in the couch. ES2011a H02 FEE043 742.47 748.16 I dunno, it seems like though that that would be hard, 'cause you not you're not gonna be lazy anyway and ES2011a H00 FEE041 745.76 746.05 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 747.22 752.38 Maybe we should design couches that have the remote control in the side arm. ES2011a H02 FEE043 749.65 753.57 Yeah so we the project is now couches and remote controls. ES2011a H03 FEE044 766.52 767.52 And the other thing is ES2011a H03 FEE044 765.42 766.52 Something like that. ES2011a H03 FEE044 760.21 765.42 But it's only a plastic thing, r really, the thing on the wall. ES2011a H03 FEE044 757.78 760.21 But that would really make it more expensive. ES2011a H03 FEE044 751.96 757.78 But even just a thing to attach it to the w you know if you had a thing, a pretty object attached to the wall. ES2011a H02 FEE043 758.47 758.94 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 763.74 764.14 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 764.06 764.4 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 766.76 771.88 Do you think it needs to be bigger to not lose, or does that not factor in? ES2011a H02 FEE043 771.01 771.57 Bigger. ES2011a H03 FEE044 771.52 773.88 Not well it needs to be sort of ES2011a H00 FEE041 772.44 772.74 Like ES2011a H00 FEE041 773.93 775.82 Hand hand held size, yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 774.43 775.47 Hand-sized. ES2011a H03 FEE044 776.03 777.24 I don't think you need a ES2011a H03 FEE044 775.06 776.03 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 777.62 779.37 Not not huge, but ES2011a H03 FEE044 779.48 781.66 But definitely not well I don't know. ES2011a H02 FEE043 781.67 784.96 It can't be that hard to put some kind of a noise on it. ES2011a H03 FEE044 784.93 786.33 No, it can't be, uh-uh. ES2011a H01 FEE042 785.67 786.76 No it really wouldn't be. ES2011a H02 FEE043 791.61 793.03 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 789.06 790.07 You know. ES2011a H02 FEE043 786.02 789.06 Or like or like a light thing. ES2011a H02 FEE043 804.01 804.86 Uh. ES2011a H02 FEE043 793.03 798.65 Or make it mobile so it runs around and comes come find you yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 798.65 802.76 That would be really I'm sure we could do that for twenty five Euros a pop. ES2011a H02 FEE043 790.07 791.61 I dunno. ES2011a H02 FEE043 802.76 804.01 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 786.22 786.72 Huh. ES2011a H03 FEE044 792.88 793.67 Um ES2011a H03 FEE044 792.11 792.88 Right. ES2011a H03 FEE044 789.77 792.11 Like spaceship. ES2011a H00 FEE041 804.07 804.63 Um. ES2011a H00 FEE041 800.95 804.07 Little homing device. ES2011a H00 FEE041 807.07 810.43 So what do we think this remote control should ES2011a H00 FEE041 805.9 807.07 Okay. ES2011a H00 FEE041 811.97 812.93 Five minutes. ES2011a H03 FEE044 813.01 813.45 Oh dear. ES2011a H00 FEE041 814.08 815.91 Till the meeting oh right. ES2011a H00 FEE041 815.91 816.87 This is what we have left. ES2011a H02 FEE043 821.86 827.33 'cause I hate that when they have too many buttons and I mean I know it has to have enough functions but like, ES2011a H02 FEE043 818.79 821.86 I also think though that it shouldn't have too many buttons ES2011a H02 FEE043 827.33 832.24 I don't know you, just have like eight thousand buttons and you're like, no, you never use half of them. ES2011a H02 FEE043 832.24 832.35 So. ES2011a H00 FEE041 819.02 821.76 Um, oh we just ES2011a H01 FEE042 822.2 823.76 Yeah, I agree. ES2011a H01 FEE042 823.76 826.26 B. button and the F. button, they don't do anything. ES2011a H03 FEE044 823.78 824.61 Yeah, yeah yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 823.85 824.15 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 838.39 842.32 so it has less buttons but it still has all the functions. ES2011a H00 FEE041 842.32 843.97 Like the way a mobile phone does. ES2011a H00 FEE041 832.09 838.39 You what if um may be a little fancy but what if it had like a little screen ES2011a H02 FEE043 841.87 842.72 That would be cool. ES2011a H03 FEE044 842.58 843.23 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 844.08 845.57 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 845.57 847.84 I mean it just seems like yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 846.74 852.32 So you could like um like if you have I dunno if you have satellite if you have a hundred channels ES2011a H00 FEE041 858.25 863.08 so you can programme like your favourite channels, so like if you had a s ES2011a H00 FEE041 852.32 858.25 you can the way you do it on your radio is that you uh what do you call it s y yeah but you can programme, ES2011a H03 FEE044 856.9 857.15 Uh. ES2011a H03 FEE044 855.47 856.9 Select. ES2011a H03 FEE044 862.76 866.85 But, would you have the screen on the thing, or would you have it on the telly transmitting the screen. ES2011a H00 FEE041 867.12 869.12 That's something we could decide. ES2011a H00 FEE041 869.12 869.74 Mm. ES2011a H02 FEE043 870.71 871.13 I dunno. ES2011a H02 FEE043 868.88 870.71 I guess they would go together somehow? ES2011a H03 FEE044 868.88 869.57 Because ES2011a H03 FEE044 871.4 879.67 Because, I don't know if it's I think it's e expensive, if you have if you use the telly screen, 'cause the telly's already a screen ES2011a H03 FEE044 879.67 883.03 then you can pro sort of have a programming function, ES2011a H03 FEE044 883.03 888.14 really easy sort of arrow up and down, on the remote, and then use the telly as a screen. ES2011a H00 FEE041 877.82 878.22 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 885.6 885.86 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 889.78 891.24 Right. ES2011a H03 FEE044 889.91 890.89 But um ES2011a H02 FEE043 892.85 893.8 I'm thinking kind of ES2011a H03 FEE044 894.09 898.61 Something like not it's not on the button but it's telling you what to do, is that what you mean? ES2011a H03 FEE044 893.12 894.09 But yeah for sure. ES2011a H00 FEE041 897.83 898.82 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 898.82 899.17 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 900.39 900.84 Right. ES2011a H03 FEE044 900.84 901.3 Mm. ES2011a H02 FEE043 922.7 927.69 I don't know if it must be it would probably must be ex too expensive though t like I dunno. ES2011a H02 FEE043 901.7 912.06 Or like you h you see those you know people I'm thinking of like celebrity cribs kind of things when like they have all those these things that at their house you know their their entire house is so electronic ES2011a H02 FEE043 912.06 922.7 and they have like this one master control that and it's like a hand held like turns on everything sort of control and it has like a screen and like so I think it should be possible to have some kind of a screen ES2011a H03 FEE044 923.13 923.39 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 927.84 930.52 But like mobile phones have screens and they're cheap. ES2011a H00 FEE041 928.14 928.29 Mm. ES2011a H02 FEE043 929.5 930.77 Yeah, yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 930.77 931.41 Yeah that's true. ES2011a H00 FEE041 931.96 938.55 I mean, we have to remember our budget is twelve point twelve fifty for to actually make the device. ES2011a H00 FEE041 930.78 931.96 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 935.17 935.49 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 938.29 938.72 Mm. ES2011a H00 FEE041 942.98 945.47 I mean we'll have to see how much that would be. ES2011a H00 FEE041 940.66 942.98 Um but it's something to think about, yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 940.7 942.75 Well, I guess we have to get to that later, yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 945.27 951.56 Or some it i we can find out probably on the internet how much it's ES2011a H00 FEE041 948.6 949.07 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 952.89 953.93 Um. ES2011a H03 FEE044 953.93 958.68 Yeah, and the other thing you said that thing about robust and water um ES2011a H03 FEE044 961.28 962.51 Water resistant. ES2011a H03 FEE044 960.21 961.28 What was the word? ES2011a H02 FEE043 960.98 961.5 Furry. ES2011a H00 FEE041 962.2 967.44 Oh I was just ES2011a H03 FEE044 963.79 967.04 No but it's I thought, ah, spot on. ES2011a H03 FEE044 967.04 974.36 Good feel, tact tactile, good tactile feel, maybe something didn doesn't make your hands sweat lot. ES2011a H00 FEE041 968.74 969.04 Yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 975.68 975.82 Mm, mm. ES2011a H02 FEE043 974.61 975.68 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 975.78 976.8 That's quite annoying. ES2011a H00 FEE041 980.74 988.68 Maybe um just like a simple thing to have a clip on it, like so you can clip it to your like that's another ES2011a H02 FEE043 986.93 987.36 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 989.2 990.05 Yeah, clip. ES2011a H03 FEE044 991.69 992.6 Ooh. ES2011a H03 FEE044 993.67 994.22 Um. ES2011a H00 FEE041 999.35 1005.45 We should probably start wrapping up, um we've got some initial ideas that we can all look into. ES2011a H00 FEE041 997.66 999.35 Um. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1012.52 1013.21 Um. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1005.45 1012.52 Um, and come up with some new ones for the next meeting, which will be in another thirty minutes. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1014.97 1015.54 So. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1017.38 1018.25 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1018.25 1018.75 The ES2011a H00 FEE041 1035.32 1035.9 The ES2011a H00 FEE041 1026.76 1035.32 So I guess you'd be looking at lots of the things we discussed about screen and um that sort of thing. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1020.3 1026.76 Industrial Designer, what does that stand for, I. D., yeah um is going to be looking more into the working design. ES2011a H01 FEE042 1021.85 1022.62 Yeah I think so. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1039.99 1042.22 Yeah, what does it stand for again? ES2011a H00 FEE041 1042.22 1044.16 User Interface Designer. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1044.16 1045.61 So that's gonna be ES2011a H00 FEE041 1037.44 1039.99 something, what is the U. I. ? ES2011a H01 FEE042 1038.69 1039.17 User. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1039.55 1040.03 That's me. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1041.22 1043.11 Uh, User Interface design. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1048.84 1057.67 I guess that maybe the working design has also to do with like the physical feat like just the way it looks and the way it w ES2011a H00 FEE041 1047.8 1048.84 more technical. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1055.07 1057.2 So technical function. ES2011a H01 FEE042 1056.53 1058.91 The working design is the structure. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1059.08 1059.79 Yeah, yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1060.88 1063.79 What is technical functions exactl I I don't really know what ES2011a H00 FEE041 1063.89 1067.36 Um, I guess you'd have to find out. ES2011a H03 FEE044 1067.15 1069.32 It says on that email but it ES2011a H01 FEE042 1067.42 1067.83 Um. ES2011a H01 FEE042 1068.68 1070.18 It was in the email. ES2011a H01 FEE042 1070.18 1072.03 I wrote down what mine were. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1068.79 1070.67 It does but it I just don't really ES2011a H03 FEE044 1070.86 1072.41 It said um ES2011a H02 FEE043 1071.71 1072.32 Yeah. ES2011a H03 FEE044 1074.26 1075.25 It said ES2011a H02 FEE043 1079.64 1080.64 And working design. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1080.64 1080.96 Okay. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1078.71 1079.64 Alright. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1074.86 1078.71 What effect should the thing ha should it have, okay. ES2011a H03 FEE044 1079.11 1079.93 Yeah like ES2011a H03 FEE044 1080.93 1084.28 Be a medium between you and the telly I think, that's uh ES2011a H02 FEE043 1086.74 1087.02 Right. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1084.34 1085.53 Alright. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1087.02 1088.29 I'm I'm on task. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1083.04 1084.34 Yeah, yeah. ES2011a H02 FEE043 1085.53 1086.74 And how it works, okay. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1083.59 1083.9 Mm. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1091.38 1091.6 M ES2011a H00 FEE041 1088.3 1091.38 And the M. E., what does that stand for? ES2011a H01 FEE042 1092.09 1092.54 Marketing. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1092.74 1093.99 Marketing, right. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1093.99 1094.85 Um. ES2011a H03 FEE044 1093.56 1096.16 Oh it's written here, but um. ES2011a H03 FEE044 1092.83 1093.56 Marketing. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1096.93 1100.46 So we'll be working on the user requirements, um ES2011a H00 FEE041 1102.5 1103.77 Yeah. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1103.77 1106.88 So I guess that wraps it up. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1106.88 1110.7 I'll see you all in thirty minutes. ES2011a H03 FEE044 1102.95 1103.32 Okay. ES2011a H00 FEE041 1113.05 1113.77 I just did. ES2011b H03 FEE044 31.54 31.8 Okay. ES2011b H00 FEE041 67.23 72.84 Um I I'll get the ones up for next time, um they're not finished yet. ES2011b H00 FEE041 73.18 86.02 Um so can we have updates from everyone from what you've worked on just kind of a quick summary of anything interesting that you'd like to share or discuss in this sure. ES2011b H00 FEE041 36.52 37.97 Welcome everybody. ES2011b H00 FEE041 72.84 73.18 Right. ES2011b H00 FEE041 41.52 56.89 Um so this is our functional design meeting, we're going to consider um user needs, technical effects, and the working design of our remote control. ES2011b H00 FEE041 33.49 36.52 'Kay so we'll try to zip through this, since we're short on time. ES2011b H00 FEE041 61.33 67.23 and I'll be putting them in the shared documents folder so if there's anything you need to refer to you can find them in there. ES2011b H00 FEE041 37.97 41.52 Um hope your sessions went well. ES2011b H00 FEE041 56.89 61.33 Um I've been taking meetings on the minute minutes on the meetings ES2011b H03 FEE044 85.28 85.48 Mm. ES2011b H03 FEE044 83.19 85.28 And I can start if you want. ES2011b H03 FEE044 88.05 89.41 We haven't decided on an order. ES2011b H03 FEE044 86.24 86.96 Is there an order? ES2011b H03 FEE044 86.96 88.05 No. ES2011b H00 FEE041 88.39 88.58 Hm? ES2011b H00 FEE041 90.37 92.04 No, any any order's fine. ES2011b H00 FEE041 92.04 92.6 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 92.74 96.73 Um, how do I put this I'll just put the cable in. ES2011b H03 FEE044 90.38 91.73 First. ES2011b H03 FEE044 91.73 92.74 Okay. ES2011b H01 FEE042 95.3 95.88 Just uh ES2011b H00 FEE041 98.48 99.05 Oh yeah, sorry. ES2011b H03 FEE044 109.05 109.47 Oh, here. ES2011b H03 FEE044 108.56 109.05 Can you see? ES2011b H03 FEE044 107.96 108.56 Is that it? ES2011b H03 FEE044 109.47 111.36 Okay. ES2011b H03 FEE044 113.96 115.85 So what happens it doesn't work? ES2011b H00 FEE041 115.32 117.93 It sh it takes a few seconds I think. ES2011b H01 FEE042 124.99 125.88 You may need to ES2011b H02 FEE043 129.66 132.76 Who's that? ES2011b H03 FEE044 133.13 133.41 No. ES2011b H03 FEE044 135.38 136.47 Is it in the right thing? ES2011b H01 FEE042 135.74 142.77 But sometimes you have to do it it's like a three set setting cycle, so press it a couple times, hold down function and then press F. eight. ES2011b H03 FEE044 142.19 143.81 Oh wait, um. ES2011b H03 FEE044 146.46 146.72 Uh. ES2011b H03 FEE044 146.72 147.86 You need to help me. ES2011b H00 FEE041 148.19 151.19 Uh-huh, and then press function. ES2011b H03 FEE044 152.15 152.77 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 152.37 153.43 and F. eight. ES2011b H02 FEE043 157 159.61 Could you just plug it back into hers because she had oh. ES2011b H03 FEE044 158.5 159.41 Oh, wait. ES2011b H03 FEE044 159.41 160.62 That's is that it? ES2011b H01 FEE042 160.55 161.12 Adjusting. ES2011b H00 FEE041 162.66 162.99 Here we are. ES2011b H01 FEE042 165.76 167.99 The cable might be a little loose or something. ES2011b H01 FEE042 167.99 168.56 Oh, you got it. ES2011b H03 FEE044 170.59 172.05 Okay, um. ES2011b H03 FEE044 169.75 170.59 We're here. ES2011b H03 FEE044 167.91 169.75 Right here we are. ES2011b H03 FEE044 172.05 177.39 In order to see what the functional requirements were to be found, um ES2011b H00 FEE041 169.37 170.36 Is it on? ES2011b H00 FEE041 170.36 170.8 Okay. ES2011b H00 FEE041 169.12 169.37 Oh. ES2011b H03 FEE044 212.97 220.02 so later on there's a study of the buttons that they use most and I think we should design according to these buttons. ES2011b H03 FEE044 197.3 208.07 Custome Customers and users don't like the way remote controls look, they don't like the way they feel, they don't think they match their operating behaviour, ES2011b H03 FEE044 179.09 190.71 a hundred people were tested in a usability laboratory through just their habits to n know their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out. ES2011b H03 FEE044 220.02 221.8 Easy to lose, and R. S. I. . ES2011b H03 FEE044 221.8 223.88 I don't know what R. S. I. means. ES2011b H03 FEE044 208.07 212.97 and an example is what we were talking about, the buttons, they only use ten per cent of the buttons ES2011b H03 FEE044 223.88 228.14 Um the person that did the questionnaire obviously did, I don't have a clue. ES2011b H03 FEE044 190.71 197.3 Um, the findings in in some cases matched what we were talking about. ES2011b H00 FEE041 227.72 227.9 Hm. ES2011b H03 FEE044 249.16 250.43 And um ES2011b H03 FEE044 244.83 249.16 They're used about a hundred and sixty times per hour. ES2011b H03 FEE044 228.74 235.51 Um, according to the frequency of use and the relevance of each buttons ES2011b H03 FEE044 235.51 241.23 I have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance. ES2011b H03 FEE044 241.23 244.83 So the most important buttons are those to do with channel selection. ES2011b H03 FEE044 278.72 279.33 Um, ES2011b H03 FEE044 273.11 278.72 and then from there go on to the audio on the screen, either on the remote or on the television. ES2011b H03 FEE044 251.37 256.12 yeah so and and people like to zap a lot apparently, so this is the order. ES2011b H03 FEE044 267.14 273.11 and this means that I think we can we could have like a a button for all the settings, and then, just one, ES2011b H03 FEE044 260.1 267.14 The other ones are the settings, and they're used less than you know zero point eight to zero point five times per hour, ES2011b H03 FEE044 256.12 260.1 Channel selection, teletext, volume, and power. ES2011b H03 FEE044 304.5 311.52 while people that are above thirty five years ol um years old go from thirty five percent to eight percent ES2011b H03 FEE044 317.14 322.06 Um I don't I don't know um what the decision to be made is ES2011b H03 FEE044 331.36 333.63 most likely, but we should discuss this together. ES2011b H03 FEE044 295.33 304.5 um ninety one to seventy six percent of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product ES2011b H03 FEE044 322.06 331.36 but I think that the people that actually do buy remotes m more are those like teenagers and young professionals and um, ES2011b H03 FEE044 280.07 286.48 about the screen, and speech recognition, some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that. ES2011b H03 FEE044 286.48 295.33 And if we look at the market, f people from well from fifteen to thirty five year old year olds, I don't really know how to describe this ES2011b H03 FEE044 311.52 317.14 so people that are sixty five for example wouldn't actually pay for this sort of thing. ES2011b H03 FEE044 334.64 338.26 And that's all I have to say about the matter, um. ES2011b H00 FEE041 337.77 338.68 'Kay. ES2011b H03 FEE044 341.89 343.1 Shall I what do I do? ES2011b H03 FEE044 343.1 344.56 Do I give this to someone else? ES2011b H00 FEE041 344.4 345 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 345 345.83 Just move right on. ES2011b H02 FEE043 350.17 350.84 Right. ES2011b H02 FEE043 352.15 354.01 So get this. ES2011b H02 FEE043 377.81 381.85 Okay so now I need to press F. eight, what is it? ES2011b H00 FEE041 381.93 383.52 Uh function F. eight. ES2011b H03 FEE044 382.44 383.42 Function F. eight. ES2011b H02 FEE043 390.16 391.2 What's function? ES2011b H02 FEE043 389.19 390.16 'Kay. ES2011b H00 FEE041 391.49 394.57 It's the little blue w it's the one th yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 393.08 393.9 Oh function, I see it. ES2011b H02 FEE043 397.68 398.38 There we go. ES2011b H00 FEE041 398.05 398.81 Yeah should be ES2011b H00 FEE041 405.73 406.78 It should be yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 410.55 411.45 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 411.45 412.01 Um. ES2011b H02 FEE043 414.07 422.54 This my presentation about the uh technical functions design and I basically just tried to focus on um ES2011b H02 FEE043 423.46 427.74 just what what functions we need and how to make that ES2011b H02 FEE043 430.95 435.42 So uh and I just sort of like thought about it myself and looked on the internet. ES2011b H02 FEE043 445.32 448.61 Um so I think things like uh ES2011b H02 FEE043 428.98 430.95 the best function for the user. ES2011b H02 FEE043 435.42 445.32 And okay so basically um I think i uh like it is really important that we sort of get this done in a user friendly and fashionable way. ES2011b H02 FEE043 449.88 462.53 you know keeping buttons together that like close together that um are used in the same way, uh or um maybe that making 'em the same colour ES2011b H02 FEE043 462.53 467.18 keeping the number of buttons the uh leas you know to a minimum ES2011b H02 FEE043 467.18 477.56 and also things like is it is it um is it uh can you c y small enough large enough I'm not sure we c I guess we would need to ES2011b H02 FEE043 503.34 505.18 And um ES2011b H02 FEE043 497.2 503.34 And then, is it findable, and uh how do we wanna do that? ES2011b H02 FEE043 478.77 484.13 do some research about, I would, about what size is appropriate and that sort of thing ES2011b H02 FEE043 487.59 490.24 Does it have like capacity to change the channels? ES2011b H02 FEE043 484.13 487.59 um but basically we need to make sure that it turns on and off the T. V. . ES2011b H02 FEE043 490.24 497.2 Um does it do or do we need to have like functions for cable or V. C. R. ? ES2011b H02 FEE043 506.49 512.3 I just thought that these two remotes were pretty boring, um I dunno if this will work but ES2011b H02 FEE043 514.61 518.95 And I think we can find something that's more fun to look at and use than either of those. ES2011b H02 FEE043 533.86 537.66 shapes, that sort of thing, to best fit the user. ES2011b H02 FEE043 525.63 533.86 uh but I mean I think we sh can sort of think about things like um like colour and you know size, ES2011b H02 FEE043 521.37 525.63 Just I mean I like the one on the right better, just because it does have fewer buttons ES2011b H02 FEE043 540.73 542.66 That concludes my presentation. ES2011b H02 FEE043 545.86 546.29 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 546.29 547.44 You need the little thingy. ES2011b H02 FEE043 564.54 564.79 Ooh. ES2011b H01 FEE042 593.58 595.53 How do I um ES2011b H03 FEE044 599.83 599.96 S ES2011b H03 FEE044 609.73 611.11 That's on view. ES2011b H03 FEE044 611.11 611.24 Oh. ES2011b H01 FEE042 611.4 611.66 Right. ES2011b H01 FEE042 621.09 627.04 um and the method I used was to basically look at existing designs and incorporate ideas from our last meeting. ES2011b H01 FEE042 614.36 621.09 Okay so this is on the working design, which is sort of the uh mechanical functions of the remote ES2011b H01 FEE042 638.8 650.24 And also we talked about um a location function where maybe you could press a button on the T. V. and it would send sort of signal to the remote where it would beep or flash or vibrate or whatever to tell you where the remote is. ES2011b H01 FEE042 633.92 638.8 the user can input a channel or volume setting and it will be output to the T. V. . ES2011b H01 FEE042 628.1 633.92 Um so I think we need two basic functions which is just the basic remote functions ES2011b H01 FEE042 672.25 675.74 like possibly a beep or a vibration. ES2011b H01 FEE042 678.01 684.32 which would probably be a separate um thing that we'd have to sell with the remote and people could stick it on their T. V. or stick it on their wall. ES2011b H01 FEE042 652 658.3 So the components we need are an energy source to power the remote, um input which would probably be buttons, ES2011b H01 FEE042 658.3 664.06 although um we just talked about voice recognition, processor to take the information, ES2011b H01 FEE042 664.06 672.25 um something to transmit it to the T. V., and we also need something on the remote that would receive the location signal and have an output ES2011b H01 FEE042 675.74 678.01 And also you need a sender for location signal ES2011b H01 FEE042 690.35 692.86 Power comes from the battery, goes to the chip, ES2011b H01 FEE042 686.77 690.35 And this is just sort of an overview of how the remote works. ES2011b H01 FEE042 700.59 707.14 And then for the location function, you would have a sender on the T. V. which would output some sort of signal ES2011b H01 FEE042 707.14 711.32 um we could use I. R. but we'd probably wanna use radio instead. ES2011b H01 FEE042 711.32 718.58 That signal would go to a receiver which it would process it, and it would be output in the form of a buzzer or a light lighting up. ES2011b H01 FEE042 693.92 700.59 um and then it is sent from there to an infrared bulb which is probably the easiest way to send to the T. V. . ES2011b H01 FEE042 752.83 754.22 So that concludes my presentation. ES2011b H01 FEE042 732.67 738.9 um we can purchase a pre-made chip which will handle all the processing stuff, I. R. transmitter to communicate to the T. V. ES2011b H01 FEE042 727.43 732.67 that way you wouldn't have to plug it in, um a button pad for input, ES2011b H01 FEE042 738.9 743.2 that's just sort of standard, um so most T. V. s have an I. R. receiver. ES2011b H01 FEE042 743.2 752.83 Probably a radio receiver to send out location function and to receive it and I'd probably say a buzzer for the location function on the remote itself. ES2011b H01 FEE042 721.77 727.43 Um so my personal preferences for how to build the remote would probably be uh, battery for the energy source, ES2011b H00 FEE041 756.06 756.37 'Kay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 756.34 760.27 Do you know about like I dunno, you seem like you know about ES2011b H01 FEE042 758.19 758.33 Mm? ES2011b H01 FEE042 760.21 763.03 Yeah, uh I d I was an engineer before I came here. ES2011b H02 FEE043 763.16 763.98 Cool. ES2011b H02 FEE043 761.96 763.16 Okay. ES2011b H00 FEE041 770.82 779.86 Um we have we'll discuss that and then I just wanna mention some new project requirements that came in. ES2011b H00 FEE041 769.51 770.82 Well thank you everybody. ES2011b H00 FEE041 779.86 790.64 Um, teletext is apparently outdated, so due to internet popularity, so that's off the list. ES2011b H00 FEE041 768.96 769.51 Okay. ES2011b H00 FEE041 790.64 791.42 Um, ES2011b H00 FEE041 792.5 803.07 also our remote should be used only for television, um, no extra internet kinda fancy things, just the remote and the television. ES2011b H00 FEE041 803.07 812.36 Um and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this, so um the ES2011b H00 FEE041 834.81 835.36 Okay. ES2011b H00 FEE041 826.43 834.81 so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw, and yellow writing, something like that. ES2011b H00 FEE041 835.36 836.24 Um. ES2011b H00 FEE041 814.42 820.66 phrase is, we put fashion in electronics, so let's be fashionable I guess. ES2011b H00 FEE041 820.66 826.43 Um if we have something I mean silver and and gold or yellow are our colours, ES2011b H00 FEE041 837.64 843.42 So we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions. ES2011b H00 FEE041 843.42 844.09 Um, ES2011b H00 FEE041 848.99 851.89 Do Let's I guess we should yeah make some ES2011b H00 FEE041 846.61 848.99 yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 853.06 856.16 kind of brainstorming, see what we can ES2011b H02 FEE043 855.35 856.3 Like in terms of ES2011b H03 FEE044 856.87 858.21 How it looks or ES2011b H02 FEE043 857.46 859.74 how it looks, or like what it does? ES2011b H00 FEE041 873.91 874.21 So. ES2011b H00 FEE041 859.08 873.91 wha what um well probably our target group and how it's gonna going to appeal to our target group and I dunno the the s the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing. ES2011b H02 FEE043 868.37 868.79 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 873.74 874.09 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 872.34 873.74 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 877.54 878.04 So ES2011b H02 FEE043 880.85 886.28 Is our target group then people so do we wanna go ahead and design this thing with the finder button? ES2011b H02 FEE043 888.15 888.54 So ES2011b H00 FEE041 888.3 890.5 I think that seems to yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 890.5 890.7 Mm. ES2011b H01 FEE042 888.87 890.07 It's easy to implement. ES2011b H02 FEE043 894.27 899.14 So then our target age group would be the nineteen to thirty five range, what was it? ES2011b H02 FEE043 890.28 891.01 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 891.01 894.27 So the yeah, yeah, yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 891.02 894.68 the the buzzer you mean, yeah, for sure, yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 893.58 894.13 Locator. ES2011b H00 FEE041 898.52 900.96 Yeah, teenagers and young professionals. ES2011b H03 FEE044 900.32 902.05 Well that's for speech recognition. ES2011b H02 FEE043 902.6 902.85 Oh. ES2011b H01 FEE042 902.79 903.21 Well ES2011b H00 FEE041 902.96 903.73 Oh, uh. ES2011b H03 FEE044 903.01 904.39 And screen. ES2011b H03 FEE044 904.39 906.57 That's only for speech recognition and screen. ES2011b H01 FEE042 909.89 913.97 and also, if the T. V. is on it's making sound and the people on the T. V. are talking, ES2011b H01 FEE042 913.97 917.03 and if somebody says like one, then the T. V. 's gonna switch itself to channel one, ES2011b H01 FEE042 904.93 909.89 I was thinking about that but uh I mean speech recognition is really hard to programme, ES2011b H01 FEE042 917.03 920.67 or it seems like a silly, I'm not sure how you would implement it. ES2011b H00 FEE041 910.02 910.52 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 916.69 917.85 Yeah yeah yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 917.85 918.53 I mean ES2011b H02 FEE043 918.73 919.22 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 917.39 918.73 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 917.41 917.81 Mm. ES2011b H03 FEE044 922.84 925.42 But um the screen is the same as what, ES2011b H03 FEE044 920.96 922.84 I just put the values in. ES2011b H00 FEE041 926.83 933.81 to h have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little pricey. ES2011b H00 FEE041 933.81 935 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 935 942.79 Right so um yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 922.79 926.83 And if if you consider our budget, it probably if you consider our budget ES2011b H01 FEE042 924.81 927.9 It's a cool idea but ES2011b H02 FEE043 927.25 927.63 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 932.41 934.49 Yeah, I'm happy with that. ES2011b H03 FEE044 934.49 935.13 Completely. ES2011b H02 FEE043 934.61 935.01 Hu yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 939.16 944.01 Okay so are we gonna have just some kind of a like we'll have the buzzer on the som like on the T. V. itself. ES2011b H01 FEE042 959.85 963.26 um so probably like a radio signal like on a on a cell phone. ES2011b H01 FEE042 944.41 950.47 Well you would have to have a button on a T. V. or on your wall or some place since the T. V. already has power. ES2011b H01 FEE042 950.47 956 Yeah you click the button, it's gonna send out a signal, and I was thinking, I. R. is line of sight ES2011b H01 FEE042 956 959.85 so unless the remote is like actually in front of the T. V. it's not gonna work ES2011b H01 FEE042 963.26 968.27 Sends out a signal and then the the remote hears the signal and so it beeps probably. ES2011b H03 FEE044 946.21 946.43 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 947.81 948.16 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 949.62 950.03 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 963.08 963.29 Alright. ES2011b H02 FEE043 961.55 962.24 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 962.24 963.08 Okay. ES2011b H03 FEE044 963.06 963.73 Okay. ES2011b H03 FEE044 962.25 963.06 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 963.25 963.65 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 968.52 969.02 Okay. ES2011b H00 FEE041 969.1 973.89 So you you'd need like a separate base for that or like something you can right. ES2011b H01 FEE042 972.15 978.41 It would have to be sold separately because if the sender's on the remote then you'd have to find the remote first to click the button to find the remote. ES2011b H00 FEE041 977.26 978.14 Yeah, yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 979.72 983.44 So do you plug it in the T. you plug it in T. V., this thing? ES2011b H01 FEE042 982.93 986.2 Yeah, it'd probably just stick it on your T. V. so if you need to find the remote, click the button. ES2011b H03 FEE044 984.46 985.73 Okay. ES2011b H03 FEE044 985.73 986.25 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 986.4 988.63 So it's now like a two-part thing. ES2011b H02 FEE043 989.66 989.9 Alright. ES2011b H02 FEE043 988.63 989.66 Okay. ES2011b H01 FEE042 988 989.66 Yeah, so it would be a two part package. ES2011b H03 FEE044 989.88 990.39 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 991.14 993.36 So we get to design that too. ES2011b H02 FEE043 993.36 994.69 Make it fashionable. ES2011b H02 FEE043 995.94 997.44 Um, okay. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1005.95 1006.16 Huh. ES2011b H00 FEE041 998.61 1005.95 So do you think even though we're not talking about speek speech recognition our target group should still be teenagers and young professionals. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1004.91 1005.64 Yeah I think so. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1006.62 1007.21 Just there. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1005.4 1006.62 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1007.72 1008.3 Okay. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1016.67 1021.79 Do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall or shall we leave that for now? ES2011b H03 FEE044 1008.69 1016.67 Are we um should that thing be on the thing to put the you s you talking about a home for it. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1007.98 1008.69 Mm. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1016.79 1017.14 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1023.52 1030.43 I mean I guess one takes care of the other, like um if you can yeah if you can call it then it's ES2011b H00 FEE041 1022.64 1023.52 We probably leave that. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1025.75 1026.26 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1026.28 1026.74 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1030.9 1031.82 Then it can live anywhere. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1031.78 1033.24 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1032.69 1033.56 Okay. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1033.56 1040.86 For the so you have that button, that so there's is there a light or shall we leave just have a radio? ES2011b H02 FEE043 1032.93 1033.28 Yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1041.84 1044.65 Um on the T. V. or on the phone? ES2011b H01 FEE042 1044.65 1050.45 Um it seemed like a a beep seemed the most reasonable to me, I think that's what the phone has ES2011b H01 FEE042 1051.48 1055.93 you just have someone call it and it starts ringing somewhere and then you can figure out that it's in the couch or wherever. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1050.45 1051.48 I mean when you need to find your phone ES2011b H03 FEE044 1041.97 1042.99 Are we just having a radio? ES2011b H03 FEE044 1043.58 1044.29 On the phone. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1045.47 1045.56 T ES2011b H03 FEE044 1046.31 1047.81 You don't need a light. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1047.81 1049.35 Yeah yeah yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1049.35 1049.83 Yeah yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1048.58 1048.96 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1050.33 1050.68 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1054.79 1059.18 And like if the if the phone's under the couch, you might not see the light, so yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1057.2 1059.9 You can hear it's under the couch yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1059.9 1062.83 Um, ES2011b H02 FEE043 1059.82 1060.54 So i Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1067.52 1069.34 So need the other buttons. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1069.34 1072.14 So we have this mm. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1078.63 1084.77 they're I mean one looked like it was for V. C. R. type thing, and the other looked like just television. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1071.48 1078.63 So I mean the two remotes that you had shown r I don't remember who showed them, yeah you you did um, ES2011b H03 FEE044 1075.56 1076.88 Mm-hmm. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1075.7 1076.88 That was that was me. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1089.33 1089.94 And uh ES2011b H02 FEE043 1084.07 1089.33 I think w I think they're both sort of just like general remo they're both general remotes. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1087.64 1088.21 Oh really. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1089.41 1094.94 'Cause that that is something we have to decide, is whether we want to have V. C. R. capabilities. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1095.08 1095.55 Yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1095.43 1099.4 Does anyone know if V. C. R. s are the same across international? ES2011b H00 FEE041 1099.99 1101.76 They're not no. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1100.57 1101.42 They're not, no. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1101.41 1105.2 Okay, so you'd need like a whole different set of buttons for everybody's V. C. R. s. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1101.79 1102.09 S ES2011b H00 FEE041 1102.98 1104.61 Yeah, that's right, yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1104.61 1106.23 But D. V. D. probably is. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1103.34 1105.1 It not V. H. S. here? ES2011b H01 FEE042 1107.46 1109.33 Yeah, other than that region and coding thing. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1109.48 1110.35 Um ES2011b H03 FEE044 1110.29 1111.59 But V. C. R. s ES2011b H00 FEE041 1110.69 1118.67 And and if we're if we're targeting young professionals and teenagers, I mean it's gonna be D. V. D. type, that's the the technology these days. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1116.91 1117.74 Yeah, for sure. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1116.03 1116.91 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1117.7 1118.85 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1127.99 1132.38 like 'cause if you just have like one menu button, that works like with a ES2011b H02 FEE043 1118.85 1119.86 So. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1119.86 1127.99 Okay, let's see if I can I think still though, it shouldn't be that hard to take like just reduce the number of buttons you know, ES2011b H01 FEE042 1117.83 1118.31 Mm-hmm. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1127.64 1128.03 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1133.52 1139.01 you know, or you can just kind of scroll through the options u that come up on the T. V. . ES2011b H00 FEE041 1136.63 1137.03 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1137.78 1142.36 Well for sure we need the um I think we can just design the ES2011b H03 FEE044 1149.84 1154.83 s and it's usually that red and I think it's quite nice to keep it like red. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1145.86 1149.84 I mean power's just a button, and it's not used that much ES2011b H03 FEE044 1144.31 1145.86 channels? ES2011b H00 FEE041 1146.51 1146.89 S ES2011b H02 FEE043 1147.54 1147.99 Yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1147.83 1148.09 Mm-hmm. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1148.22 1148.51 Huh. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1150.07 1150.4 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1151.66 1152.16 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1154.11 1154.63 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1159.72 1164.18 like if you hold one down it's it's a different colour than the other buttons but that turns it on. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1154.98 1159.72 You know, I've seen some remotes that where you just hold one ES2011b H00 FEE041 1164.18 1167.58 So you don't actually have a separate power button, it's just ES2011b H03 FEE044 1166.52 1168.02 Oh okay, yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1173.65 1179.4 Just 'cause I wouldn't I would probably pick it up and just be like uh why is there no on button. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1169.07 1173.65 I mean, like because unless you know yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1179.4 1179.97 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1179.97 1182.52 B Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1167.72 1169.07 It seems like that would be hard though. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1168.44 1168.73 But ES2011b H00 FEE041 1172.96 1173.34 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1171.58 1172.96 It might be confusing. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1175.44 1176.02 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1186.23 1186.49 Right. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1182.95 1186.23 So we definitely want a power button and numbers. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1177.27 1179.26 Besides you like to be able to go power. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1179.26 1182.95 I have the power I guess. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1178.11 1181.35 Yeah, I never think to hold something down. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1178.41 1178.99 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1185.97 1186.45 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1186.48 1194.11 Well even um iPod thing, like um, I don't know if people like this but if you want to reduce the number, ES2011b H03 FEE044 1195.8 1201.19 of buttons, instead of having like one to nine, have a sort of ES2011b H02 FEE043 1202.05 1205.63 That sort of like joystick flat touch thing, yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1202.33 1204.16 scrolling I don't know. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1205.35 1210.27 Because people li seem now the iPod's out people seem to like this thing that there's no ES2011b H03 FEE044 1204.16 1205.35 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1203.94 1205.18 Mm. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1211.98 1214.32 Know you don't have one two three four five ES2011b H02 FEE043 1215.89 1219.91 it's it's funny like you f like I just I don't have an iPod but like I, you know ES2011b H02 FEE043 1222.13 1226.57 and you just sort of and it's funny how you pick it up and you just figure out how to use it quite easily, ES2011b H02 FEE043 1226.57 1227.98 like it's not that hard, you know. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1219.91 1222.13 I just like started messing around with one of my friend's the other day ES2011b H02 FEE043 1213.48 1215.89 I think that's an interesting idea, 'cause it's cool, ES2011b H02 FEE043 1212.93 1213.48 Yeah, yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1214.72 1214.95 Mm. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1227.65 1227.98 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1227.99 1231.27 Yeah yeah, it's just and it's one thing which has everything. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1231.77 1234.84 It is really but do you need a screen then, do you have to have a screen then? ES2011b H02 FEE043 1229.73 1231.77 Yeah, and it is yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1234.82 1243.71 Well can't it tell the like can't you if you you can have the number on the telly going like one two three four five once you scroll and then ES2011b H01 FEE042 1237.83 1240.35 Yeah, you can have the number going around in the corner. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1239.86 1240.59 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1239.09 1239.86 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1242.82 1245.65 Okay so we have this like scrolling sort of button. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1241.72 1242.82 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1240.59 1241.72 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1243.35 1244.3 Oh that's gonna ES2011b H00 FEE041 1245.7 1249.64 Is that like on on a mouse pad where like kind of okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1246.33 1247.11 Like a disc. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1248.97 1249.21 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1249.21 1252.63 It's like it's just like the same technology as a mouse pad. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1248.29 1248.97 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1250.88 1252.05 I've never used one. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1252.05 1252.25 No. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1250.97 1254.97 It's like l this like that, and then you do that. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1253.67 1254.01 Okay. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1255.34 1255.94 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1255.34 1255.72 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1256.86 1257.49 Yeah and then. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1256.92 1264.64 And then you can have um if you actually just want to zap, you can have like a thing ES2011b H03 FEE044 1265.72 1271.7 like that, and that, and then it can just be plus and minus. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1272.5 1275.45 So like it's like a little part of the circle that ES2011b H02 FEE043 1271.47 1272.5 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1276.55 1279.76 Or it oh so it's just a region of the circle that you can ES2011b H03 FEE044 1277.25 1278.27 Yeah, you can ES2011b H00 FEE041 1278.16 1278.58 Well i ES2011b H03 FEE044 1280.59 1283.21 Yeah, click o actually click on to have ES2011b H02 FEE043 1281.51 1281.97 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1280.98 1281.51 zap. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1282.02 1288.06 We could we could even have four buttons, like, if that's the if that's the mouse ES2011b H00 FEE041 1288.06 1292.26 you could have the volume and the channel changers just like on that as well. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1289.33 1289.71 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1291.52 1295.44 So volume could be like the top it and the bottom So do you need to okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1290.74 1291.52 Yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1294.88 1297.63 Doesn't it rotate though, so it'll be moving around. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1296.77 1300.25 Well y you have to you have to like be able to change the function of it to like ES2011b H03 FEE044 1301.76 1302.75 What do you mean the function? ES2011b H02 FEE043 1302.73 1304.43 I mean like okay, 'cause so ES2011b H02 FEE043 1306.58 1313.18 I dunno, I guess Okay so when you g scroll your thumb like around it, it'll s like say you're go you're going clockwise. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1317.5 1321.08 But then so if you wanna switch to the to u do you have to switch to a function where ES2011b H02 FEE043 1313.18 1317.5 That that means you're gonna go up the channels, and then you scroll the other way and it'll go down. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1315.67 1315.9 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1317.14 1317.44 Yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1317.44 1317.68 Mm-hmm. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1329.36 1330.82 that's that way and volume is up and down. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1322.31 1329.36 like y so you're either in that mode or you're in the mode where like it just has like the four like you know this is channel that way ES2011b H03 FEE044 1331.62 1333.75 Yeah but it knows for some reason. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1333.75 1334.89 The iPod knows. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1332.88 1333.43 It just ES2011b H02 FEE043 1336.03 1336.67 S ES2011b H02 FEE043 1334.53 1336.03 It just kno the iPod knows. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1335.21 1337.87 If it works on an iPod then it works. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1337.78 1338.35 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1338.35 1341.79 So you just you just can either do this or like you can just touch it if you want. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1338.22 1338.45 Huh. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1339.42 1340.31 I don't have one. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1341.76 1346.33 Well for the volume you have to press the middle, and then go up. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1344.74 1345.48 That's what I mean. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1344.36 1344.74 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1345.48 1345.84 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1346.84 1351.49 Okay so you have to like press this middle region and then you can scroll up, go up and down. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1348.05 1348.46 Oh. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1351.09 1352.9 And then well if you do that it goes, ES2011b H03 FEE044 1352.9 1359.02 but if you like that makes more sense 'cause there's already ones with up and down here, that I've seen. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1351.36 1352.7 So it's like holding ES2011b H00 FEE041 1356.88 1357.63 You can o ES2011b H00 FEE041 1359.25 1359.78 And you ES2011b H00 FEE041 1366.82 1367.07 Like ES2011b H00 FEE041 1360.92 1362.87 you is there an extra actual button? ES2011b H00 FEE041 1362.87 1366.82 Or are you actually you're just using the mouse to go up and down. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1366.29 1370.74 Well what you for the iPod you press an w right if you're on the channel let's say, ES2011b H03 FEE044 1370.74 1376.15 then you press on the middle and then if you do that again the volume goes up, and if you do that it goes down. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1376.15 1381.84 But if you wanna keep it with volume here and here, I'm pretty sure ES2011b H02 FEE043 1367.24 1367.64 It's like a b ES2011b H00 FEE041 1370.19 1370.51 Mm-hmm. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1372.11 1372.39 Mm-hmm. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1374.57 1374.92 Right. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1375.89 1376.16 Mm-hmm. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1382.16 1388.94 Well I mean if if you're gonna this for channels, right, then y wouldn't the volume need to be separate somehow? ES2011b H00 FEE041 1388.94 1389.9 Like you could just have ES2011b H03 FEE044 1385.43 1385.76 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1391.06 1394.4 I don't know, you could click and then have it up and down, but I think ES2011b H00 FEE041 1391.62 1392.65 Oh, like ES2011b H02 FEE043 1393.18 1393.59 Like ES2011b H00 FEE041 1393.63 1394.81 Oh you could actually ES2011b H02 FEE043 1407.03 1407.44 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1398.7 1406.2 But the only thing is like, iPods are so expensive, like, it has to be is that part of yeah, I dunno, I dunno. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1395.73 1398.7 I think we can go on the fact that it does just work with the iPod. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1406.2 1407.03 You don't think so? ES2011b H03 FEE044 1397.97 1398.82 Yeah yeah yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1398.45 1398.98 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1398.57 1398.9 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1403.09 1407.65 Is that what makes them expensi I think it's all of they have so much memory though, that's it's ES2011b H01 FEE042 1404.09 1406.04 I don't think so. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1407.03 1409.33 I don't think it's the wheel dealy. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1408.12 1408.63 I think it ES2011b H00 FEE041 1409.78 1415.8 I think it's the uh h it's their capabili I mean they it can hold what like five thousand songs or something. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1409.16 1409.78 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1409.72 1410.02 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1410.02 1410.56 Okay. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1414.39 1414.71 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1415.53 1420.13 I'm thinking we could if if we're hav So ba I mean but an iPod just has that circle thing you know. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1414.75 1415.53 Yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1419.47 1424.13 You can put on your songs and then put on a different set, that's probably why they're expensive, they're like little computers. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1417.98 1419.47 And they're re-programmable aren't they? ES2011b H00 FEE041 1421.53 1421.84 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1420.84 1421.53 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1419.59 1420.84 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1422.63 1423.99 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1429.4 1436.72 like it could be a cool sort of you know, because it could be circular, you know, or something weird like that, just ES2011b H02 FEE043 1423.99 1425.3 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1425.3 1429.4 Well like since it just has the circle thing, you could make it a qui a kind of cool shape, ES2011b H00 FEE041 1423.41 1423.64 S ES2011b H03 FEE044 1430.13 1430.53 Yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1431.4 1431.66 Mm-hmm. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1434.25 1434.98 Yeah yeah yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1439.5 1440.93 Because, the other thing, ES2011b H03 FEE044 1435.98 1439.5 Well it could just be simple instead of being a l mass. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1442.41 1446.84 I didn't tell you all my presentation, is that people find it ES2011b H03 FEE044 1460.35 1462.5 Volume oh we've ts just said that. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1457.24 1460.35 Um, what other buttons were there? ES2011b H03 FEE044 1449.16 1457.24 find that it's a big waste of time to have to learn how to use your remote and that's another thing they complained about. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1453.59 1454.05 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1454.63 1455.31 Mm. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1456.37 1456.78 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1464.59 1465.43 So okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1465.43 1469.34 This is just for T. V., it's not for or it is does need to be compatible with ES2011b H03 FEE044 1464.84 1466.06 Channel selection. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1469.1 1469.49 I ES2011b H00 FEE041 1469.54 1470.43 Um ES2011b H01 FEE042 1470.6 1474.59 A D. V. D. is simple, you just have play, pause, eject, ES2011b H02 FEE043 1473.68 1474.77 So how do you switch ES2011b H02 FEE043 1472.72 1473.68 Yeah. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1473.76 1474.3 Menu. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1483.98 1489.55 So I'll I'll check that and update you on the next But we'll hold off on that 'cause ES2011b H00 FEE041 1476.52 1483.98 I'm not sure if they meant o onl use only for television as in not for D. V. D. or just not internet type things. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1474.05 1476.52 You know actually our our new project requirements ES2011b H01 FEE042 1476.44 1477.29 and menu maybe. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1482.52 1483.13 Oh yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1484.72 1485.13 Okay. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1486.6 1487.98 So like if we had that ES2011b H02 FEE043 1489.08 1489.74 Yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1490.29 1491.36 But s yeah uh. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1490.99 1493.01 But D. V. D. players usually have their own remote. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1493.6 1495.17 That's true, yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1495.17 1496.98 So, I know I'm not c really clear on what ES2011b H00 FEE041 1494.32 1494.73 Yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1496.22 1499.79 But it's cool to have it all on one, because you wanna turn it on then you wanna turn up the volume, ES2011b H01 FEE042 1499.79 1502.63 and then you wanna go to the menu, so you don't wanna switch. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1497.7 1499.04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1497.76 1498.63 Yeah, yeah. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1501.26 1501.66 Mm. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1500.46 1501.26 Mm. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1500.73 1501.35 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1510.33 1510.59 So ES2011b H02 FEE043 1500.88 1504.89 So you'd have to have like I think you would have to have like a function switch button, ES2011b H02 FEE043 1504.89 1510.33 you know somewhere so like you can you're either on T. V., you're on D. V. D. or you're on V. C. R., or you're like. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1509.27 1509.77 Yeah. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1510.24 1512.39 Well but D. V. D. is only like four buttons. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1512.52 1513.85 Yeah, it is only fun ES2011b H02 FEE043 1512.92 1518.99 Yeah, but I mean like to switch the fun so like to switch the function of the little circle disc, the touch pad. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1514.09 1514.68 But i ES2011b H01 FEE042 1518.82 1527.48 But I think the circle only does channel isn't applicable to D. V. D. really 'cause you don't wanna but volume is and volume is actually controlled on the T. V. so you don't have to switch. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1518.49 1518.82 Oh. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1518.78 1519.31 Yeah. ES2011b H02 FEE043 1523.6 1524.91 Yeah but it it would be ES2011b H02 FEE043 1545.52 1547.89 to different I mean do we need to think about that, that like ES2011b H02 FEE043 1535.04 1545.52 but then if uh if you're on D. V. D. then like the channel bu like the the region of the disc that was for channels is for like switching to different tracks or s you know, ES2011b H02 FEE043 1531.52 1535.04 so like you're if you're on T. V., like you can switch channels ES2011b H02 FEE043 1527.68 1531.52 So but I'm saying like, does it make sense to have like some kind of a button, ES2011b H00 FEE041 1548.08 1550.99 Um, yeah, let's think about it 'cause we need to wrap up. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1570.94 1571.53 See you soon. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1562.75 1570.94 um yeah, so think about the things we've discussed and bring some new ideas to our next meeting. ES2011b H00 FEE041 1553.55 1562.75 Um so everyone's gonna go finish their questionnaire, uh then when we come back after lunch we'll have thirty minutes of individual work, ES2011b H00 FEE041 1550.99 1553.55 Um let's see. ES2011b H01 FEE042 1548.29 1549.23 Yes we can try that. ES2011b H03 FEE044 1550.89 1552.93 Okay. ES2011c H00 FEE041 77.95 79.62 Um. ES2011c H00 FEE041 74.59 77.95 Hi everyone, hope you had a nice lunch. ES2011c H00 FEE041 79.62 83 Alright we're moving on to conceptual design. ES2011c H02 FEE043 83.55 86.91 'Scuse me. ES2011c H03 FEE044 86.03 86.6 Bless you. ES2011c H00 FEE041 88.02 92.44 Um, I'll just review what we did in our last meeting. ES2011c H00 FEE041 92.44 97.5 Um, under marketing we targeted our audience, and ES2011c H00 FEE041 98.68 100.41 Um, yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 101.12 106.13 That was generally how helpful that was. ES2011c H00 FEE041 106.13 112.85 Um, then we considered some design options with how it should look, um, ES2011c H00 FEE041 112.85 119.71 we discussed an iPod-like button system which, uh, we haven't concluded but we're ES2011c H00 FEE041 120.72 122.49 Right, um ES2011c H00 FEE041 124.67 133.72 So, if you all have presentations to do, we can see what where you've come from our last time. ES2011c H00 FEE041 134.77 136.22 Does everyone have presentations? ES2011c H01 FEE042 135.29 135.6 Hmm. ES2011c H03 FEE044 136.72 137.33 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 136.86 137.94 Yes. ES2011c H00 FEE041 138.32 139.75 Would anybody like to go first? ES2011c H00 FEE041 137.28 138.32 Okay. ES2011c H01 FEE042 137.3 137.83 Yes. ES2011c H01 FEE042 141.06 141.56 Sure. ES2011c H00 FEE041 141.94 142.09 Okay. ES2011c H01 FEE042 165.68 167.38 Um. ES2011c H01 FEE042 161.56 165.68 So I've been looking at the components design. ES2011c H01 FEE042 167.38 173.26 Mostly by consulting remote control diagrams from the internet and also by incorporating design ideas from the last project meeting. ES2011c H01 FEE042 181 188.93 Um, I assume we'll be custom designing our case, probably a hard plastic or some other material case, to protect the remote and the locator. ES2011c H01 FEE042 175.35 181 Um, so we need some custom design parts, and other parts we'll just use standard. ES2011c H01 FEE042 190.16 193.04 And we'll need to custom desi design a circuit board ES2011c H01 FEE042 193.04 199.92 because the circuit board has to take the button input and send it to the output so you have to design that each time. ES2011c H01 FEE042 199.92 203.3 But once we come up with a design we'll send it to the circuit people and they'll just print it out. ES2011c H01 FEE042 209.37 213.92 The infrared L. E. D. is actually gonna be included in the circuit board that comes with it. ES2011c H01 FEE042 204.39 209.37 Um, standard parts include the buttons and the wheels, um the iPod-style wheel. ES2011c H01 FEE042 216.71 222.18 And al we also need a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote. ES2011c H01 FEE042 213.92 216.71 Um, we need a radio sender and receiver, those are standard. ES2011c H01 FEE042 223.54 225.19 So we have some material options. ES2011c H01 FEE042 225.19 229.14 Um, we can use rubber, plastic, wood or titanium. ES2011c H01 FEE042 229.14 235.18 Um, I'd recommend against titanium because it can only be used in the flat cases and it's really heavy. ES2011c H01 FEE042 235.18 240.99 Um, and the rubber case requires rubber buttons, so if we definitely want plastic buttons, we shouldn't have a rubber case. ES2011c H00 FEE041 245.09 250.68 And why not wood? ES2011c H00 FEE041 243.83 245.09 And why not wood? ES2011c H01 FEE042 243.83 245.14 And, hmm? ES2011c H01 FEE042 257.23 262.18 We can't use the minimal chip, we need the next higher grade, which is called regular. ES2011c H01 FEE042 262.18 264.77 I don't think it's much more expensive, but it is more expensive. ES2011c H01 FEE042 248.87 251.22 I don't know why we'd want to. ES2011c H01 FEE042 251.22 257.23 Um and also we should note that if we want an iPod-style wheel button, it's gonna require a m qu slightly more expensive chip. ES2011c H01 FEE042 246.3 248.87 Uh, well we can use wood. ES2011c H01 FEE042 265.94 268.43 So that's what I've got on design. ES2011c H00 FEE041 271.33 271.7 'S good. ES2011c H03 FEE044 280.58 282.56 'Cause I have to say something about the material ES2011c H03 FEE044 279.27 280.58 Um, can I do next? ES2011c H00 FEE041 281.85 282.14 Hmm. ES2011c H02 FEE043 282.55 282.79 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 283.7 285.73 which is quite shocking. ES2011c H03 FEE044 292.77 293.49 Ha. ES2011c H03 FEE044 293.49 293.54 Mm. ES2011c H03 FEE044 310.16 318.7 Right, um, I have been searching the current trends, um, both on the web and via fashion-watchers, ES2011c H03 FEE044 325.7 326.58 Um. ES2011c H03 FEE044 318.7 325.7 and the findings are that the first thing to aim for is a fashion uh, fancy look and feel. ES2011c H03 FEE044 326.58 331.85 Next comes technologic technology and the innovations to do with that. ES2011c H03 FEE044 331.85 334.37 And th last thing is the ES2011c H03 FEE044 366.97 369.57 you know, wh whatever our motto is. ES2011c H03 FEE044 369.57 370.31 Um. ES2011c H03 FEE044 338.07 347.27 Um, fancy look and feel goes far beyond the functionality of the thing, but I suppose that is included in in the ease of use. ES2011c H03 FEE044 347.27 355.28 Um, our fashion-watchers in Milan and Paris have decided, well noticed ES2011c H03 FEE044 355.28 366.97 that f the fruit and vegetable theme is the is the current trend and and therefore um we need to go for that if we want, ES2011c H03 FEE044 335.61 338.07 easy to use um factor. ES2011c H03 FEE044 374.65 378.84 So we want to put the fashion electronics, we need to go fruit and vegetables. ES2011c H03 FEE044 370.9 373.11 For fashion, we go for fashion. ES2011c H03 FEE044 378.84 389.34 And also go for a spongy feel, so the the question of our technology whate is Industrial Designer. ES2011c H03 FEE044 389.34 395.48 As to the material should be limited to I don't know how spongy it can be, should discuss this together ES2011c H03 FEE044 373.11 374.65 The fashion in electronics. ES2011c H03 FEE044 395.48 400.52 I don't know how spongy can be achieved but apparently that's the way to go. ES2011c H00 FEE041 371.48 371.66 Mm. ES2011c H03 FEE044 401.62 402.97 Um. ES2011c H03 FEE044 402.97 412.45 I I have been thinking about this fruit and vegetable thing and I prefer fruits to vegetables, but that's just a personal opinion. ES2011c H03 FEE044 412.45 418.02 I think I think people like to have a fruit instead of a vegetables in their sitting room. ES2011c H03 FEE044 418.02 423.28 Uh those are just suggestions and also we need to decide whether this should be printed, ES2011c H03 FEE044 423.28 431.01 so that still has to do with the material discuss should we print the fruit stuff, or should the actual remote look like a fruit? ES2011c H03 FEE044 446.51 450.28 Um, yeah, to summarise these are the points that need to be ES2011c H03 FEE044 435.96 446.51 It has to be technologically innovative so maybe again our Industrial Designer should look into that or find come up with a solution that's better than mine. ES2011c H03 FEE044 431.64 435.96 Um, and finally again with the spongy. ES2011c H03 FEE044 461.03 462.41 Thank you for your attention. ES2011c H03 FEE044 451.33 461.03 um, touched in order to get a good decision, and hopefully our User Interface has more to say about the matter. ES2011c H02 FEE043 460.49 462.32 Mm-hmm. ES2011c H02 FEE043 477.83 479.28 So. ES2011c H00 FEE041 480.83 482.86 I think it's the next it's the blue one, yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 484.93 485.28 Uh. ES2011c H02 FEE043 481.74 484.93 Oh, uh, there we go. ES2011c H02 FEE043 489.77 490.45 Okay. ES2011c H02 FEE043 490.45 491.81 Um. ES2011c H02 FEE043 495.22 503.77 I actually wasn't aware of the new trends in electronics and and uh ES2011c H02 FEE043 491.81 495.22 Well so that fruit and vegetables thing huh. ES2011c H03 FEE044 500.28 500.95 Neither was I. ES2011c H03 FEE044 500.95 509.26 Well it's a trend in fashion, in clothing and um fabrics. ES2011c H00 FEE041 505.35 509.16 Yeah but you're not gonna wear your remote control. ES2011c H02 FEE043 512.27 513.26 Okay, uh ES2011c H02 FEE043 507.96 512.27 So so okay, let me get this right. ES2011c H02 FEE043 519.05 528.89 Trying we're gonna try to talk about, um what kind of uh how people are actually going to be using this iPod-ish remote control ES2011c H02 FEE043 517.53 519.05 Conceptual User Interface. ES2011c H02 FEE043 542.34 545.59 Um, kind of I mean I assume, are we still on the screen idea? ES2011c H02 FEE043 539.16 542.34 Uh, so people are going to be looking at this little screen. ES2011c H02 FEE043 531.76 539.16 And, um, basically, so, this is a touched ba a touch-based graphical interface system. ES2011c H02 FEE043 528.89 531.76 based on fruit vegetable design. ES2011c H02 FEE043 514.54 515.66 Okay, alright anyway. ES2011c H02 FEE043 515.66 517.53 Um here we go. ES2011c H00 FEE041 546.39 549.62 Oh we s hadn't discussed it last time. ES2011c H02 FEE043 548.98 558.7 'Cause if we're gonna have to ha if we have this it just seems like in order to have someone going around and using the um the wheel ES2011c H00 FEE041 559.17 560.55 You need a screen for it? ES2011c H02 FEE043 559.99 561.79 you it seems like you would need a screen. ES2011c H01 FEE042 566.11 568.41 With T. V. channels it's, you know, one two three. ES2011c H01 FEE042 561.42 566.11 You need a screen with music because you're looking for a specific song, like you know that band or whatever. ES2011c H01 FEE042 568.41 569.07 So ES2011c H02 FEE043 570.21 575.45 So, b you you're gonna have to switch to like D. V. D. and like other things like that, aren't you? ES2011c H02 FEE043 565.66 570.21 But like if you think about it yeah but if so is it just okay. ES2011c H02 FEE043 575.45 576.54 Are we ES2011c H00 FEE041 581.49 582.09 Um. ES2011c H00 FEE041 574.42 581.49 We're, um, we're actually not having D. V. D., that was one of th I I was sorry, I I meant to update you on that. ES2011c H01 FEE042 577 577.55 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 578.28 580.16 Okay. ES2011c H02 FEE043 581.33 581.66 Okay. ES2011c H02 FEE043 580.16 581.33 Alright. ES2011c H03 FEE044 581.69 584.9 But the screen can come up on the telly, the she said. ES2011c H03 FEE044 584.9 585.77 That correct? ES2011c H02 FEE043 593.34 596.33 So basically it's just gonna be a wheel then? ES2011c H02 FEE043 585.66 593.34 So anyway if well we just we need to Okay so if we're not gonna have a screen I think I was thinking okay. ES2011c H02 FEE043 596.33 601.14 And you're just gonna I mean I think you're gonna have to have some kind of a right. ES2011c H02 FEE043 584.91 585.66 Okay. ES2011c H02 FEE043 612.77 617.39 um, you know, channels one two three four five six seven eight nine. ES2011c H02 FEE043 601.14 607.91 Yeah like you're g yeah like you're gonna have to be able to switch to like a mode where you can okay we're not choosing that, I guess. ES2011c H02 FEE043 584.04 584.91 Okay. ES2011c H02 FEE043 617.39 619.72 So that people seems to be well ES2011c H02 FEE043 607.91 612.77 But like choose channel control, like if you wa Because people aren't gonna be able to have like, ES2011c H01 FEE042 585.19 585.46 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 601.45 604.01 Uh on the you can have it on the telly though. ES2011c H03 FEE044 600.2 601.45 Graphical interface? ES2011c H00 FEE041 603.72 604.03 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 616.59 616.92 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 619.15 621.61 You've Yeah, I know what you're saying, you have to ES2011c H02 FEE043 623.48 630.68 So um I guess that's wh why I was thinking you may need to have some kind of a screen because ES2011c H02 FEE043 621.19 623.48 But you're gonna have to scroll to get channels. ES2011c H02 FEE043 620.67 621.19 You know. ES2011c H02 FEE043 643.52 647.02 You can just scroll and you can just get to like five or like twelve or ES2011c H02 FEE043 631.75 643.52 So that people can go arou go back and forth and choose if or or then again if you just I guess I c I can see like some kind of a thing where like you sort of have like the number come up on the T. V. like what channel you're on. ES2011c H03 FEE044 642.64 644.37 Yeah, yeah, yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 644.37 645.1 Yeah, yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 643.71 644.01 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 646.96 648.44 But but imagine someone with s ES2011c H01 FEE042 647.14 650.22 My flatmates actually had one with a wheel, and it it did show up on the T. V. . ES2011c H02 FEE043 649.61 650.76 I oh yeah? ES2011c H00 FEE041 654.28 656.85 Then to get to channel one eighty nine you have to ES2011c H00 FEE041 651.44 654.28 But i what if you have satellite and you have like two hundred channels. ES2011c H02 FEE043 654.55 659.86 'Cause you'll have to like but you can quickly s you can ES2011c H03 FEE044 655.67 656.59 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 656.55 658.93 They have to r wheel really fast. ES2011c H01 FEE042 658.93 662.42 But I think the wheel goes through like a hundred channels, at least on theirs. ES2011c H00 FEE041 657.76 658.84 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 660.44 661.03 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 660.46 661.77 Yeah, yeah, yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 668.26 672.19 you know, range we need to have on the wheel, and um ES2011c H02 FEE043 662.55 668.26 Yeah if you do, it w so it would have to be you I mean so you basically just kinda need to figure out like what kind of, ES2011c H02 FEE043 680.3 683.97 you know, you can like tap for, um, different ES2011c H02 FEE043 673.31 680.3 So you're either you're you know, th you're either doing this motion to like control the channels or like once once you stop that, ES2011c H00 FEE041 683.24 683.81 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 685.91 694.24 uh, whatchamacallits, different um, you know, functions like volume or, like you can tap just to get to different channels. ES2011c H02 FEE043 695.92 699.83 Like if you just wanted to go to like from five to six you could tap or someth ES2011c H00 FEE041 699.93 700.31 Right. ES2011c H02 FEE043 708.28 713.86 or if you want to um you know switch around, I don't know, ES2011c H02 FEE043 701.01 708.28 And then there's also the concern about you know um how do you get to the menu if you wanna change the brightness of your television, ES2011c H02 FEE043 713.86 719.12 like, these different modes like turn on the timer or like something something like that, like ES2011c H00 FEE041 716.46 716.73 Yeah ES2011c H00 FEE041 718.68 726.6 I mean with that many options, you'd uh I'd think that the screen would be better, because you could have that menu option, sort of ES2011c H02 FEE043 723.22 724.81 I would think so too, like ES2011c H02 FEE043 731.21 736.31 you know, because but then again it would it does make kind of if the screen's sort of just like an option that, ES2011c H02 FEE043 726.18 731.21 So I mean and it seems it w it does seem a little silly to have this screen if you hardly are ever using it, ES2011c H02 FEE043 736.31 741.6 like, is just there and you're not really using it, that's kind of m yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 731.94 732.29 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 739.17 739.54 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 743.14 746.16 You have to get a an advanced chip if you wanna have a screen in, ES2011c H01 FEE042 739.79 743.14 It's more expensive according to the design people. ES2011c H01 FEE042 746.16 749.64 which is more expensive than the regular chip, which is more expensive than the minimal. ES2011c H00 FEE041 741.75 743.07 Uh. ES2011c H02 FEE043 742.47 743.74 Yeah, that's the only thing though. ES2011c H02 FEE043 749.06 749.85 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 749.85 755.98 So then basically it has to have some way to get to get to a mode on the television where you're doing, um ES2011c H00 FEE041 750.42 750.75 Mm. ES2011c H02 FEE043 757.26 759.42 You can get to you know, you can ES2011c H02 FEE043 760.44 763.81 Like maybe it'll be that central button that, like ES2011c H02 FEE043 768.3 771.59 like, to do the timer, to do the yeah, yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 763.81 768.3 then you hit that and then you can it brings up like the menu on the T. V. and you can just scroll around, ES2011c H03 FEE044 762.77 763.87 Yeah, yeah, yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 763.34 763.76 Mm-hmm. ES2011c H00 FEE041 763.83 763.97 Mm. ES2011c H03 FEE044 766.88 767.38 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 768.17 771.04 So the T. V. is the screen, that yeah ES2011c H00 FEE041 767.4 768.17 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 771.8 774.97 So it would have all these different options of changing ES2011c H02 FEE043 773.78 775.39 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 775.39 777.81 But the remote itself isn't really cluttered up. ES2011c H00 FEE041 775.96 776.42 to ES2011c H03 FEE044 776.87 778.35 Look it even has settings. ES2011c H00 FEE041 777.87 778.16 Okay. ES2011c H02 FEE043 779.51 781.45 Hmm? ES2011c H02 FEE043 781.45 789.14 Yeah, well we don't want the screen I guess, but um 'cause that just it does seem like, it that would be, like, incredibly expensive, ES2011c H02 FEE043 789.14 797.09 but I dunno, and then so, it just im really all you need is, like, this little wheel then, and you can control everything. ES2011c H03 FEE044 779.53 784.75 On the you can just take theirs and just ES2011c H00 FEE041 780.05 780.21 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 782.19 782.39 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 798.32 799.02 So ES2011c H00 FEE041 802.22 804.61 Um, right. ES2011c H00 FEE041 812.71 819.77 um, and you just have this, it's like just a long silver thing, or whatever we're thinking. ES2011c H00 FEE041 824.19 824.81 Or ES2011c H00 FEE041 819.77 824.19 I mean are you you gonna have any buttons on that besides power and this thing? ES2011c H00 FEE041 805.99 812.71 What if I mean, if you're thinking of the design of it now, like the a you know, physical attributes, ES2011c H02 FEE043 812.03 812.38 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 825.12 834.56 It doesn't seem that you would need anything besides pow I mean and the power button could even be like hold down the menu button for like longer than one second and it turns on the T. V. . ES2011c H00 FEE041 831.32 831.63 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 834.74 840.02 So can we imagine that this would be smaller than the remote controls that you showed us before. ES2011c H00 FEE041 840.02 841.8 I mean okay. ES2011c H02 FEE043 840.02 840.53 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 840.53 841.25 Yeah definitely. ES2011c H02 FEE043 841.25 843.63 Like, I think we're looking at something that could be, like ES2011c H02 FEE043 844.98 850.28 like even maybe like a cir I'm f I'm seeing almost like a circular sort of like handheld like thing. ES2011c H02 FEE043 850.28 856.19 I mean it it needs to be easy to somehow it needs to be easy to like manipulate and use your ES2011c H03 FEE044 850.08 851.84 Yeah but should be comfortable. ES2011c H00 FEE041 850.69 852.05 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 852.05 852.45 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 850.93 851.21 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 856.45 856.75 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 857.32 859.12 I mean how do how do I'm not really ES2011c H02 FEE043 861.24 867.28 Like when I use an iPod, I end up just kind of using my index finger to like control it. ES2011c H02 FEE043 867.28 867.76 So ES2011c H00 FEE041 866.87 870.05 Yeah, I've seen some people just going like that with their thumb, yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 869.15 870.4 Or your thumb or something. ES2011c H02 FEE043 870.4 871.03 So ES2011c H02 FEE043 868.53 869.15 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 868.97 870.61 Yeah I use it like that. ES2011c H01 FEE042 870.36 875.17 W when we had the wheely remote control, we it was on the top I think, if you held it like that. ES2011c H00 FEE041 874.74 875.09 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 875.12 876.8 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 876.8 877.82 Yeah, so ES2011c H03 FEE044 875.25 875.73 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 876.88 878.69 But, were there buttons on there as well? ES2011c H01 FEE042 878.72 882.74 Yeah well it had the wheely thing and then it had those eighteen different buttons that I don't know what they do. ES2011c H01 FEE042 882.74 884.2 So we just used the top part. ES2011c H00 FEE041 881.63 882.67 Mm. ES2011c H00 FEE041 882.67 883.27 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 882.7 883.5 Mm yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 884.6 885.06 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 887.76 890.29 Like, I d I mean, you you want it to be large enough that ES2011c H02 FEE043 885.04 887.76 Yeah, so but I mean I think it could be pretty small. ES2011c H03 FEE044 885.13 885.43 Uh. ES2011c H02 FEE043 891.57 892.94 you can ES2011c H00 FEE041 892.13 898.73 What if, um, you had like a b a cover that went over buttons that you don't use very much? ES2011c H00 FEE041 903.98 910.57 So the options are there but they're not in interfering with the design and the practicality of it. ES2011c H00 FEE041 898.73 903.98 Like you so you could slide it up if you needed to like change the contrast or something like that? ES2011c H02 FEE043 912.13 913.61 But can't you just get ES2011c H00 FEE041 913.81 915.23 Like, uh, yeah just something ES2011c H00 FEE041 912.65 913.81 Do do you know what I'm talking about though? ES2011c H01 FEE042 913.43 914.51 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 914.51 918.78 Yeah like maybe something on the side where you slip a panel down and it's got a whole bunch of ES2011c H02 FEE043 914.86 914.94 K ES2011c H03 FEE044 915.89 918.34 Well you can have it on the settings, no? ES2011c H00 FEE041 916.52 918.75 Yeah, that you can flip over, yeah, yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 917.97 919.89 Yeah, But, I mean, do you need that? ES2011c H02 FEE043 919.89 927.09 If if you can get to, you know if so long as you're able to bring up the menu on the T. V. screen. ES2011c H02 FEE043 927.09 927.66 That keeps it ES2011c H00 FEE041 926.01 931.66 Yeah I mean I guess that's the thing is is if w I if we can do this, that'd probably be ES2011c H01 FEE042 926.8 927.27 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 928.71 929.36 really ES2011c H02 FEE043 931.89 934.64 Uh you wouldn't I don't I just don't think you would even need it. ES2011c H02 FEE043 931.04 931.89 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 934.64 935.42 So ES2011c H00 FEE041 933.83 934.56 Yeah, yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 935.86 945.84 So I guess we have to look into the, um, like, the programming, how this how they actually programme these things, and if that's yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 936.04 936.87 Mean ES2011c H01 FEE042 944.02 945.82 Oh how they make the menu show up on the T. V. ? ES2011c H02 FEE043 947.28 950.99 I mean you can do it, you it's it doesn't seem that hard. ES2011c H01 FEE042 947.39 949.18 I don't know. ES2011c H01 FEE042 949.18 952.97 I believe it's ins it's gotta be inside the T. V., not inside the remote. ES2011c H00 FEE041 947.77 950.7 I mean it would y would that would be ES2011c H03 FEE044 947.95 949.25 They already do it. ES2011c H02 FEE043 953.8 954.95 I mean I've never bought a remote. ES2011c H02 FEE043 954.95 958.49 It sounds like this remote's going to be purchased separately from the television, which is a little ES2011c H01 FEE042 954.45 955.27 I'm not sure. ES2011c H01 FEE042 959.17 959.79 Well ES2011c H01 FEE042 957.98 959.17 Well they usually are. ES2011c H02 FEE043 962.79 963.68 But um ES2011c H02 FEE043 959.74 962.79 My I've never bought just a remote, like, so I don't I don't really know. ES2011c H03 FEE044 961.72 962.16 No. ES2011c H00 FEE041 962.51 962.78 Huh. ES2011c H01 FEE042 963.65 964.4 I guess that's right. ES2011c H01 FEE042 964.4 966.66 It always comes with the T. V. . ES2011c H02 FEE043 971.12 976.57 like bringing up the menu screen if you need to like change the date or whatever, you know. ES2011c H02 FEE043 966.22 971.12 So, um but I mean it's I've never had a hard time with like my remotes, ES2011c H02 FEE043 976.57 979.7 And I don't think that should uh that should be too hard. ES2011c H01 FEE042 979.72 982.62 Yeah, it most of the ones we've had have had the menu button ES2011c H01 FEE042 986.92 989.23 'Cause it just doesn't come up every day or something. ES2011c H01 FEE042 982.62 986.92 'cause it's not like you need to have a button access to like change the contrast or something. ES2011c H02 FEE043 986.56 986.91 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 989.2 990.55 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 990.55 991.52 Well so ES2011c H02 FEE043 1003.89 1004.73 That's what it does anyway. ES2011c H02 FEE043 993.28 995.72 So, do we need I dunno. ES2011c H02 FEE043 995.72 1003.89 Well I guess we have to you know think about But I mean you just basically need the output signal you know to be able to bring it up. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1001.15 1001.49 Mm-hmm. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1001.75 1003.36 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1003.36 1003.69 Okay. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1010.59 1017.99 they have these sort of abbreviations and codes that you're supposed to understand, and I never get it. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1017.99 1019.68 Never ever. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1004.64 1010.59 But also if you have it on the screen you can actually write everything out, because the problem with buttons is you like, ES2011c H03 FEE044 1019.68 1020.65 So ES2011c H02 FEE043 1014.02 1014.68 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1014.44 1014.96 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1014.7 1018.41 Yeah, you don't know they mean, yeah, it's like yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1017.86 1018.36 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1024.72 1025.98 On the telly, okay, yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1025.98 1027.02 So yeah I think, I mean ES2011c H02 FEE043 1027.02 1036.92 I think I think the touch-based graphical interface is a really uh cool idea because you know it is so obnoxious to like have to push those like okay now I hit this you know, ES2011c H02 FEE043 1036.92 1041.58 you have your little guide out and you're like, hit this button twice, like to activate the date. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1019.99 1024.72 So, but oh, you mean if we have this screen like the iPod screen? ES2011c H03 FEE044 1023.62 1024.78 Well on the telly. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1024.23 1025.83 Or on the T. V. too. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1039.26 1040.3 Mm. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1040.3 1044.43 And it is technologically innovative in a way, so that fits with the ES2011c H03 FEE044 1039.88 1040.36 Mm. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1043.03 1043.42 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1043.42 1045.02 I guess. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1045.02 1048.67 And it is trendy, the iPods are really hot right now, so ES2011c H00 FEE041 1045.56 1045.58 B ES2011c H00 FEE041 1047.01 1047.19 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1047.98 1052.39 Did you did you get that pc picture on did they provide you with that picture on the web? ES2011c H02 FEE043 1051.68 1055.86 Um, yeah, by web research, yeah, so ES2011c H03 FEE044 1055.69 1056.79 That's quite interesting. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1058.16 1064.61 What are we going to do about this vegetable thing that I'm dreading? ES2011c H00 FEE041 1061.32 1063.08 Oh god. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1061.42 1063.71 Oh, I was gonna say. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1063.71 1066.21 You said uh people want spongy. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1071.68 1073.48 So, that would be spongy. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1066.21 1071.68 Um, one of your one of the material options is a sort of rubber that's in like those stress ball things. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1061.58 1062.19 Oh. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1066.33 1066.61 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1066.48 1067.04 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1071.83 1074.26 Oh, okay, that would be cool. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1074.26 1075.67 Mm. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1072.39 1073.74 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1073.74 1074.07 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1073.38 1074.14 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1072.47 1073.38 Ah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1075.4 1077.94 Just nice feel, but I hate spongy. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1077.91 1080.3 Yeah, c that's e that would be kind of oh, you know, ES2011c H02 FEE043 1085 1092.41 But what if we ha what if we had like a spongy sort of like stress balley kinda so you're like ES2011c H02 FEE043 1080.3 1085 usually like the touch pad things are kind of a hard plastic typ mouse type, you know, thing. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1078.39 1078.68 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1083.54 1083.89 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1085.28 1086.92 I mean definitely the area round it. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1092.35 1093.2 Yeah I think it could work. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1093.44 1101.58 Or what if we integrated the the uh the f what if the whole thing about the fruit and vegetables we somehow made it tactilely fash you know, ES2011c H02 FEE043 1101.58 1103.78 we c tapped into that, so like it feels like ES2011c H00 FEE041 1093.54 1093.78 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1104.11 1108.1 Don't think I'd want it to feel like a banana. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1104.9 1108.93 Well it could be like mobiles that just you just put a cover. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1104.94 1107.25 a vegetable. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1105.46 1107.95 An orange. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1109.56 1110.22 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1123.84 1127.85 You know you had there was a time when they had all these different covers for mobiles. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1115.78 1123.84 which frankly I'm not particularly fond of, um you could just have covers and then your mobile f it's like a mobile phone thing. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1110.01 1115.78 If it's a small thing, you c instead of creating an object for it that looks like a banana, ES2011c H02 FEE043 1124.16 1125.09 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1124.38 1124.88 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1126.65 1127.6 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1126.89 1134.61 You could do like the computers where they have like the grapefruit, apple machine and they have like the blueberry, like all the colours are named after fruits. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1132.61 1133.5 Yeah, yeah, yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1134.36 1135.09 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1132.94 1134.36 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1134.93 1138.65 You could name it after fruits and vegetables, or ES2011c H02 FEE043 1134.33 1134.93 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1134.73 1135.08 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1142.58 1145.49 and then if you have a green one you can have well I don't know. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1145.49 1145.55 Um. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1137.19 1142.58 And it could the colour can fit your sitting room, so if you have red sitting room you can have strawberry ES2011c H02 FEE043 1145.29 1145.81 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1176.49 1177.02 Um ES2011c H00 FEE041 1152.88 1157.82 If you have like that stress ball material kind of as what you're actually holding in your hand, ES2011c H00 FEE041 1157.82 1164.29 so like what you're feeling is comfortable, and then there's more of a hard plastic thing where that thing is. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1146.85 1152.88 So what if what this is I'm just forming this idea in my head of how this thing is looking. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1171.7 1176.49 Is that kind of I 'cause I I'm thinking of silver because those are our company colours. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1164.29 1171.7 And on that hard plastic thing you can change either the colour or the fruit or vegetable that's on there. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1147.07 1148.89 So I think yeah, colours. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1161.67 1162.08 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1163.4 1164.32 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1171.39 1172.01 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1175.61 1177.19 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1181.02 1181.9 Um ES2011c H02 FEE043 1177.19 1180.07 Unfortunately they don't have silver fruits and vegetables. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1180.07 1181.02 I do I dunno. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1184.58 1191.21 I mean how are you how are you all envisioning by what we've just the feedback we've just got about the ES2011c H03 FEE044 1191.52 1192.6 Maybe a ball. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1193.73 1194.28 A ball? ES2011c H03 FEE044 1198.98 1201.03 A relaxing squashy ball. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1196.29 1198.98 Know, a squashy ball. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1208.73 1217.5 you're thinking the opposite of me 'cause you're thinking you change the the hard bit and I'm thinking how do you change the hard would you put a um ES2011c H03 FEE044 1201.84 1208.73 That you can p well I see you're thinking, it's weird ES2011c H02 FEE043 1202.54 1206.12 That's in the shape of a fruit, like a ES2011c H00 FEE041 1212.6 1212.99 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1219.89 1224.31 Because I was thinking if you have a cover for the squashy bit, like a ES2011c H03 FEE044 1218.38 1219.89 sticker sort of? ES2011c H00 FEE041 1225.33 1226.39 This is just ES2011c H00 FEE041 1227.15 1228.07 Okay. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1230.33 1231.42 Squashy. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1228.07 1230.33 Say that's the s say that's the squashy bit. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1228.06 1229.66 Oh, okay, yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1230.79 1233.62 Yeah I was thinking of getting a cover for ES2011c H00 FEE041 1244.17 1250.33 And like this you could have like you could have like cherries and things around there. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1234.04 1244.17 That see I was thinking this s sorry I was thinking this bit here would be the cover and like that's your actual thing. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1250.33 1251.55 Um but ES2011c H03 FEE044 1236.51 1238.51 Well I don't know if it's cheaper actually. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1235.24 1236.51 Which is cheaper. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1237.47 1237.92 Oh. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1237.92 1238.14 Mm. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1244.84 1246.28 Oh I like that shape. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1243.53 1244.84 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1247.4 1248.1 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1250.55 1254.07 I was thinking sort of a single ball shape. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1254.07 1256.64 So you're holding a squishy ball and then it has a ES2011c H02 FEE043 1253.26 1254.19 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1253.51 1259.11 I was thinking if it was like this 'cause the way you were describing the the iPod and the thi the roll thingy ES2011c H02 FEE043 1258.95 1261.08 It's like it has to be s yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1259.25 1259.57 Mm-hmm. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1260.16 1264.85 It's almost like your thumb is farther up, so if if you could squish it lower then ES2011c H01 FEE042 1262.8 1263.42 Yeah I guess so. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1263.99 1264.75 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1265.69 1268.56 So it wouldn't be very big in either like how big? ES2011c H03 FEE044 1264.4 1265.69 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1268.56 1271.84 This big, and then you just do that, I suppose. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1281.53 1286.53 and then you could have like the banana squishy thing and you could get you could have your choice, you know? ES2011c H02 FEE043 1270.81 1275.13 What if, yeah, what if the squishy, oh so so you're saying the squishy part's like detachable ES2011c H02 FEE043 1275.13 1281.53 and you can so so maybe one you know you can have like the broccoli squishy thing, ES2011c H00 FEE041 1270.92 1272.27 Yeah, I know what you meant, yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1293.2 1300.5 But well the question is, which one's easiest to change and we can just contact our relevant department for that ES2011c H03 FEE044 1300.5 1303.97 and just see what the cost is for covering that or covering that, ES2011c H03 FEE044 1303.97 1310.44 and for now we can do two prototypes maybe and then hi try and ask users what the best is, and ES2011c H03 FEE044 1286.23 1293.2 Well just a li I can't des like condom thingy, like a a cover. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1297.1 1297.5 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1300.55 1301.68 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1303.31 1304.6 Yeah, yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1303.83 1304.05 Mm. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1307.22 1307.64 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1309.08 1309.32 Okay. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1312.32 1312.61 Okay. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1311.19 1312.32 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1313.34 1314 Oh. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1311.33 1313.34 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1311.97 1312.24 No. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1313.82 1314.36 Um. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1314.36 1315.15 That's nicer. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1315.15 1318.31 I think it's nicer to have a drawing 'cause it's neater. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1315.88 1316.76 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1318.79 1318.96 Hmm. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1319.97 1320.66 Um. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1320.39 1322.28 Well that's not very neat, but ES2011c H02 FEE043 1322.29 1322.94 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1322.94 1328.28 I mean I think uh and I think the handhe I think the handheld part is definitely ES2011c H02 FEE043 1329.62 1331.25 So you could make that ES2011c H02 FEE043 1332.36 1333.74 into the fruit and vegetable part. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1333.99 1338.57 If it's a bit like those juggling balls, you can change shape according to your ES2011c H03 FEE044 1340.6 1346.75 If it's got sand in it maybe, or something, you it it just moulds to your hand. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1339.47 1340.6 to the way you hold it. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1340.11 1341.68 Yeah you could squish it. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1340.6 1340.86 Mm-hmm. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1343.46 1343.69 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1346.34 1348.04 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1348.04 1349.86 So where are the fruit and vegetables now? ES2011c H03 FEE044 1350.55 1352.62 We we don't know. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1350.75 1351.43 Fruits and veg. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1351.16 1357.08 I guess they would be either in the colour of that plastic face on the front, or in the colour of the squishy thing underneath. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1354.12 1354.69 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1354.52 1354.82 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1356.72 1357.11 Yeah. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1357.65 1358.02 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1358.26 1361.97 And the rest is the company the company colour's silver? ES2011c H00 FEE041 1362.26 1364.26 It was, yeah, silver and yellow. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1364.26 1366.98 It l it looks like I don't ES2011c H02 FEE043 1366.67 1370 We could promote the banana one. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1370 1371.61 Like mm. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1367.2 1367.69 Okay. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1368.91 1369.69 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1372.36 1376.96 I mean that's another question, where are we gonna we we should have the logo somewhere on it. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1377.35 1377.71 Mm. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1378.57 1380.99 Should also fit the batteries, which we haven't ES2011c H03 FEE044 1377.36 1378.57 Mm-hmm. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1381.35 1381.84 Oh yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1381.37 1381.72 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1381.79 1384.21 I think the batteries would have to go right under the plastic case. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1383.76 1386.55 Yeah, th and that would that ES2011c H02 FEE043 1384.26 1385.06 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1385.04 1385.49 Okay. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1387.85 1391.95 Then you need to have the other part just be sort of a single unit that you can snap off. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1385.59 1387.85 Especially if you're switching out the squishy part. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1391.92 1392.31 Mm-hmm. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1392.42 1392.71 Mm-hmm. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1393.95 1395.56 Yeah, I think, um ES2011c H02 FEE043 1399.44 1401.9 it'd be interesting to have the b the squishy bit. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1403.29 1409.6 The part that you, yeah, can change into the different, you know, trendy vegetables and fruits. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1409.6 1412.2 But uh it ES2011c H01 FEE042 1412 1415.32 You'd spend so much time like squishing it to your own personal hand. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1415.32 1417.22 Then you'd get a new one and you'd have to do it all over again. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1411.62 1412 Well I dunno. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1417.21 1417.86 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1421.54 1422.75 Does it automatically? ES2011c H03 FEE044 1418.55 1421.54 No but it does it automatically. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1422.75 1423.24 I don't know. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1422.06 1422.48 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1439.1 1441.41 Um, so what d but what do we know about ES2011c H00 FEE041 1429.6 1433.1 But if someone components concept. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1437.15 1437.83 Oh right right. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1435.79 1436.88 Was that you? ES2011c H00 FEE041 1433.1 1433.99 Question mark. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1437.83 1439.1 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1436.88 1437.15 Okay. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1433.99 1434.69 Energy. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1423.38 1429.6 I don't know what the rest of my notes mean because they were made for me. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1434.69 1435.79 Question mark. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1429.26 1430.11 Okay. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1434.77 1435.25 That was me. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1436.38 1436.68 Yes. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1443.17 1444.96 I mean we're gonna use batteries right? ES2011c H00 FEE041 1444.96 1445.45 And ES2011c H00 FEE041 1442.58 1443.17 energy? ES2011c H01 FEE042 1451.65 1452.86 Something to do with torches. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1444.71 1451.65 Uh we actually had an option of batteries, solar power, and um a dynamo, which is something I don't know what it is. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1455.14 1456.6 It's a bicycle mechanism. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1456.6 1463.44 It's the en it's like if if something moves, when it moves, it stores energy. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1451.8 1455.14 Oh, a dynamo is ah, it's a bicycle. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1467.07 1469.2 So I sort of picked battery. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1469.2 1474.87 We could have talked about doing a wind-up or a dynamo or a solar power. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1474.87 1477.69 Um but I think solar power's not available with the rubber case anyways. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1460.5 1461.55 Oh okay. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1461.55 1467.07 Yeah, the other one was the other one was a kinetic thing where you'd basically have to wind it yourself. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1467.43 1468.68 It's quite sweet. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1480.03 1483.28 What does everyone else think? ES2011c H00 FEE041 1478.34 1480.03 I think batteries sound good. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1478.68 1483.5 It it seems a little weird for a living room anyways. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1479.85 1482.66 The dynamo would be interesting. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1480.32 1482.2 No. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1482.2 1489.92 But dynamo the the fact with dynamo is, the moment you move it, it c it creates energy on its own. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1490.18 1490.97 Oh. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1490.51 1492.7 What about Kryptonite? ES2011c H03 FEE044 1490.88 1491.53 Which is quite cool. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1497.79 1499.69 But we need to find cost. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1491.53 1497.79 So if you throw it, it's gonna store loads of energy, and you don't need to buy a battery 'cause they're quite f I find them annoying. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1499.83 1500.11 Yeah. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1502.24 1503.32 Don't know the cost. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1505.08 1506.71 Didn't have enough data to actually ES2011c H03 FEE044 1505.28 1508.48 Does anyone have costs on the on the web? ES2011c H01 FEE042 1513.1 1515.92 It didn't give me any actual cost. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1507.73 1513.1 All it said was it gave sort of relative, some chips are more expensive than others, sort of things. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1514.37 1515.13 Okay. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1516.37 1516.68 Right. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1517.35 1517.52 Hmm. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1517.39 1517.75 Mm. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1520.6 1522.48 So I don't think it's that much of a problem. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1518.57 1520.6 Most of the stuff is pretty cheap though bought in bulk. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1524.91 1527.33 Like the chip is probably the most expensive part. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1528.28 1529.81 What does chip on print mean? ES2011c H01 FEE042 1537.71 1540.38 Um, so you can mass produce 'em pretty cheap. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1530.42 1537.71 Um, for things like remote controls, um, they stamp out a chip, calculators too I think. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1540.38 1544.71 But it's not like a computer, you can't like reprogramme your remo remote controls, it's like stamped onto the chip. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1535.73 1535.97 Uh-huh. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1539.89 1540.22 Okay. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1543.6 1543.81 Right. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1551.5 1553.07 Uh I guess that's what we've been talking about, yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1545.17 1548.85 So, chip on print is just means like that they're mass-produced. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1553.07 1553.78 Casing. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1548.85 1550.13 Okay. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1553.78 1553.91 Yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1550.13 1551.5 And case? ES2011c H01 FEE042 1547.87 1548.16 Yeah. ES2011c H01 FEE042 1551.78 1553.66 Case is what we were discussing yeah. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1554.97 1560.55 thinking of like syntactic case and thi um let's see. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1567.36 1569.58 Is there anything else we need to ES2011c H02 FEE043 1570.65 1571.31 Hmm. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1572.06 1576.77 Oh when we move on, you two are going to be playing with play-dough. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1571.38 1572.06 talk about? ES2011c H00 FEE041 1584.14 1587.99 And you're gonna be doing protu product evaluation. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1577.91 1584.14 Um, and working on the look and feel of the design and user interface design. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1589.83 1593.96 So you'll get mm m more instructions from your personal coach. ES2011c H03 FEE044 1594.21 1595.34 Oh, thank you. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1594.72 1594.91 Mm. ES2011c H02 FEE043 1594.95 1595.46 Cool. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1595.76 1596.4 See you soon. ES2011c H00 FEE041 1599.27 1600.68 Does it matter that I end early? ES2011c H03 FEE044 1601.59 1602.68 I it's strange because ES2011c H00 FEE041 1604.23 1605.36 How how early is it? ES2011c H00 FEE041 1609.78 1611.62 I didn't get a pop-up thing that said ES2011d H00 FEE041 64.98 65.28 'Kay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 67.56 68.17 Hmm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 70.62 74.03 Welcome to the detailed design meeting. ES2011d H00 FEE041 69.48 70.62 Okay everybody. ES2011d H00 FEE041 74.03 75.18 Um ES2011d H00 FEE041 112.93 118.81 Um so actually I think ES2011d H00 FEE041 77.08 78.86 Our agenda. ES2011d H00 FEE041 91.6 98.76 Um and we also talked about materials we'd use and what kind of chip would be necessary. ES2011d H00 FEE041 107.29 112.93 Um and see if it's changed at all from when we last discussed it. ES2011d H00 FEE041 78.86 87.36 Last time we discussed the squishy fruitiness of our remote controls and how we might pursue that. ES2011d H00 FEE041 76.06 77.08 Let's see. ES2011d H00 FEE041 87.36 91.6 Um and I think looks like we've come up with some ideas. ES2011d H00 FEE041 98.76 107.29 Um so for later in the meeting I've done a a spreadsheet of production costs so we'll take a look at that. ES2011d H00 FEE041 121.45 127.78 Yeah um f you guys wanna give a prototype presentation of ES2011d H01 FEE042 132.87 134.75 So our design looks something like this. ES2011d H01 FEE042 129.31 132.87 Okay well um. ES2011d H01 FEE042 135.77 140.34 This being the wheel that you use to uh change channels or volume or whatever. ES2011d H01 FEE042 140.34 147.32 This is a button, serves as the power button if you hold it down, and if you just tap on it I think it brings up the menu. ES2011d H01 FEE042 163.19 165.11 This one's broccoli. ES2011d H01 FEE042 165.11 167.98 So this snaps off and you can put on whichever one you want. ES2011d H01 FEE042 167.98 170.33 This is not to scale 'cause it would have the battery inside it. ES2011d H01 FEE042 159.6 163.19 And it comes yeah, I can change the vegetable. ES2011d H01 FEE042 154.94 159.6 So you can change the colour, according to your to suit your living room or whatever. ES2011d H01 FEE042 148.82 154.94 And uh the base of the remote control, which has a squishy spongy rubbery feel, is interchangeable. ES2011d H02 FEE043 159.62 162.12 You could change the vegetable, or fruit. ES2011d H00 FEE041 162.11 166 Oh is that broccoli? ES2011d H02 FEE043 163.29 164.08 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 171.6 172.7 This is a mango. ES2011d H01 FEE042 174.81 177.11 You don't have orange, you have mango. ES2011d H01 FEE042 177.11 181.14 Um I guess strawberry's not as trendy, but ES2011d H01 FEE042 172.7 174.81 The it's trendy fruit, it's not just ordinary fruits. ES2011d H00 FEE041 179 181.11 'S a very bright strawberry. ES2011d H01 FEE042 181.89 188.68 So we'll come up with a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control. ES2011d H02 FEE043 189.7 190.27 It's been a l ES2011d H01 FEE042 189.74 193.37 And then people will be encouraged to buy three or five of them, because they'll need to switch 'em out. ES2011d H02 FEE043 223.32 224.4 How how so ES2011d H02 FEE043 194.61 203.8 It's been a little bit difficult to um make sure that it's hand-holdable, and that the user can use it, you know, it's not too big. ES2011d H02 FEE043 203.8 213.21 Uh but we think that this you know, this size will be okay and we will have to fit the battery case in there somehow. ES2011d H02 FEE043 213.21 223.32 And I guess the only other thing that we really didn't talk about was or design yet actually, would be the um thing the locator. ES2011d H01 FEE042 212.42 212.7 Mm-hmm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 213.13 213.61 Oh yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 224.35 226.33 Well the locator is just chip that's inside there. ES2011d H02 FEE043 226.35 227.91 Okay so that's just ES2011d H01 FEE042 227.61 229.81 And the beeper's also inside there too somewhere. ES2011d H02 FEE043 229.65 233.61 So you have to have a button on your on your you have to attach the button to the ES2011d H01 FEE042 233.81 235.36 Yeah we didn't design that. ES2011d H02 FEE043 234.82 237.28 Yeah we have that that has yes yet to be designed. ES2011d H01 FEE042 236.45 238.65 But it would be coordinating with that of course. ES2011d H02 FEE043 238.56 241.58 Yeah that c hey that that could you know match the handset. ES2011d H00 FEE041 239.22 239.53 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 241.88 242.15 Mm-hmm. ES2011d H02 FEE043 243.24 246.24 You could have a broccoli, or you could have a mango. ES2011d H02 FEE043 247.39 248.2 So. ES2011d H02 FEE043 248.2 248.59 Tada. ES2011d H00 FEE041 248.58 248.81 Oh. ES2011d H00 FEE041 250.76 259.16 Um if you wanna look in your project documents folder, there's an Excel spreadsheet. ES2011d H00 FEE041 290.98 291.93 Um ES2011d H00 FEE041 281.74 290.98 and the regular chip would be necessary for the more advanced iPod-like button. ES2011d H00 FEE041 260.83 265.33 Um the only one that's in there, production costs. ES2011d H00 FEE041 267.02 271.31 Um I've just stuck the numbers in, it was a real challenge there. ES2011d H00 FEE041 271.31 281.74 But if I missed anything that we've gone over, or if you see something that has changed I mean, we decided on batteries ES2011d H00 FEE041 265.33 267.02 And if you open it up. ES2011d H00 FEE041 295.01 297.26 I think that's what you have there, is that right? ES2011d H00 FEE041 292.99 295.01 I said uncurved or flat. ES2011d H00 FEE041 297.26 299.32 For the for the plastic part would be ES2011d H01 FEE042 298.82 302.2 My impression was that flat meant like like one of those square remotes. ES2011d H01 FEE042 310.02 312.6 One side is curved and then the other side is curved. ES2011d H01 FEE042 303.51 310.02 But it's really not very clear, because you got single curve and double curve and d I dunno what that means. ES2011d H00 FEE041 304.48 305.19 Okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 303.76 304.48 Oh. ES2011d H00 FEE041 307.31 307.89 Right. ES2011d H00 FEE041 314.06 315.5 Well yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 315.5 318.95 If we're talking about the area just oh I d ES2011d H00 FEE041 337.76 343.58 Um and lots of special colours actually. ES2011d H00 FEE041 328.93 333.14 There's plastic for that area around the button. ES2011d H00 FEE041 327.02 328.93 Um so what else? ES2011d H00 FEE041 333.14 337.76 Um and then rubber would be the squishy like thing right? ES2011d H00 FEE041 320.75 327.02 I guess we'd have to contact the company that makes them and see. ES2011d H00 FEE041 343.58 344.81 Uh scroll wheel. ES2011d H00 FEE041 344.81 346.22 Do you see anything that I've missed? ES2011d H00 FEE041 320.42 320.75 I dunno. ES2011d H01 FEE042 336.45 336.74 Mm-hmm. ES2011d H01 FEE042 347.07 348.79 No I think that's alright. ES2011d H00 FEE041 348.99 353.47 Okay so that would make our total of eleven point nine, ES2011d H00 FEE041 359.53 362.56 And if we sold a lot of squishy things. ES2011d H00 FEE041 362.56 363.5 Boo yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 353.47 359.53 which is even less than twelve point five, which means we'd be making even more of a profit. ES2011d H02 FEE043 361.59 361.94 Mm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 365.5 366.19 Okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 368.59 370.5 S ES2011d H00 FEE041 373.73 375.36 So ES2011d H00 FEE041 377.49 378.31 Mm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 389.73 390.48 The ES2011d H00 FEE041 388.13 389.73 Did y what did you work on? ES2011d H03 FEE044 389.99 393.3 Um evaluation criteria. ES2011d H03 FEE044 393.3 395.09 I've got a presentation. ES2011d H00 FEE041 392.26 392.96 Okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 392.96 393.74 Do you wanna ES2011d H00 FEE041 396.61 398.1 I think that's ES2011d H00 FEE041 395.42 396.61 Okay. ES2011d H03 FEE044 396.8 398.53 So I need where's the cable? ES2011d H03 FEE044 409.28 416.32 Right what happens is we have to um decide whether this this whole ES2011d H03 FEE044 417.69 425.3 this whole project we've been working on actually um meets the standards we were set at the start. ES2011d H03 FEE044 426.91 427.6 Um. ES2011d H03 FEE044 429.65 429.93 Right. ES2011d H03 FEE044 433.01 445.84 Um the method is we well I've analysed the user requirements and integrated them to the trends found in marketing reports and in our company strategy marketing. ES2011d H03 FEE044 445.84 454.49 And um the findings were that we need it to look in a certain way, feel in a certain way, and this is everything's listed down. ES2011d H03 FEE044 431.09 433.01 This doesn't okay. ES2011d H03 FEE044 468.37 475.46 We have to use a table, I'll show you that later, together to decide whether it meets the standards. ES2011d H03 FEE044 463.3 468.37 These are all things we looked at at the start, um and criteria that have to be met. ES2011d H03 FEE044 455.29 463.3 Um, look in a certain way, feel in a certain way, it has to be technologically innovative and it has to be easy to use. ES2011d H03 FEE044 475.46 480.54 And we we have therefore in total um ES2011d H03 FEE044 489.79 496.14 And um the cri well basically the findings are the same as the evaluation criteria. ES2011d H03 FEE044 482.02 489.79 We have five we have eleven points according to which this should be evaluated. ES2011d H03 FEE044 499.77 500.66 Um. ES2011d H03 FEE044 496.14 499.77 I would like to show you the table we have to use. ES2011d H03 FEE044 505.26 506.41 Can you see this here? ES2011d H03 FEE044 504.29 505.26 This is the table. ES2011d H03 FEE044 501.97 504.29 No. ES2011d H01 FEE042 506.65 507.02 Mm-hmm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 512.24 515.19 True is one and and false is seven. ES2011d H03 FEE044 515.19 522.58 And we'll just go through each point together, hopefully. ES2011d H03 FEE044 522.58 523.09 Um. ES2011d H03 FEE044 507.35 512.24 Um so the que the questions I've given you c could you write that down? ES2011d H03 FEE044 530.6 533.33 I dunno how it works exactly, I haven't been told. ES2011d H03 FEE044 526.86 530.6 I think if each of us gives an opinion then they can be mixed somehow. ES2011d H02 FEE043 533.91 536.07 Is it possible that we can bring this up on our own ES2011d H02 FEE043 532.21 533.91 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 537.22 539.01 Yeah it's in the um ES2011d H03 FEE044 539.95 541.42 it's in the project documents. ES2011d H02 FEE043 543.22 544.58 No it's not minutes. ES2011d H02 FEE043 541.74 543.22 Is it meeting three minutes? ES2011d H03 FEE044 543.73 546.04 It's called evaluation criteria. ES2011d H02 FEE043 546.32 546.87 Okay. ES2011d H03 FEE044 548.26 549.65 And it's ES2011d H03 FEE044 550.92 552.24 under evaluation. ES2011d H00 FEE041 552.8 554.23 Huh, the PowerPoint one? ES2011d H01 FEE042 553.72 553.91 Hmm? ES2011d H03 FEE044 554.72 555.29 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 555.04 555.52 Okay. ES2011d H02 FEE043 555.52 556.02 Cool. ES2011d H03 FEE044 556.54 557.55 You've found it all? ES2011d H00 FEE041 557.51 557.69 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 564.27 565.74 So it was um ES2011d H03 FEE044 567.97 569.05 Yeah true's one. ES2011d H02 FEE043 574.19 575.96 True's one and false is seven. ES2011d H03 FEE044 575.64 579.02 Do you want us to discuss this together or do you want us to do it singly? ES2011d H00 FEE041 579.39 584.37 Um we can do it separately and then discuss it if if that's what people wanna do. ES2011d H03 FEE044 581.24 582.04 Yeah okay. ES2011d H02 FEE043 590.47 592.02 So it's actually a scale. ES2011d H00 FEE041 592.33 598.79 Wait, one is true and so these are the questions we're answering. ES2011d H00 FEE041 598.79 599.95 And one is ES2011d H03 FEE044 594.26 596.84 Um, ES2011d H03 FEE044 598.42 604.58 yes it's if it's fancy you put one, if it's really unfancy it's seven. ES2011d H00 FEE041 601.2 602.41 One, right okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 607.25 607.83 Okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 603.99 607.25 If it's somewhere in between you put four. ES2011d H03 FEE044 605.57 607.35 Yeah, something. ES2011d H02 FEE043 606.79 607.64 Okay. ES2011d H02 FEE043 661.03 666.27 Does it feel fancy? ES2011d H02 FEE043 666.27 669.16 No. ES2011d H01 FEE042 662.51 665.32 Feels like play-dough. ES2011d H03 FEE044 678.6 680.64 They shouldn't really be questions. ES2011d H03 FEE044 680.64 682.15 Should be more like ES2011d H03 FEE044 713.48 716.8 Are the batteries easy to insert? ES2011d H01 FEE042 716.06 717.85 I'm gonna say yes. ES2011d H03 FEE044 717.63 718.19 Yes? ES2011d H03 FEE044 719.76 720.34 Okay. ES2011d H03 FEE044 718.19 719.76 Very very true. ES2011d H01 FEE042 719.25 721.37 I imagine they're somewhere on the front. ES2011d H01 FEE042 721.37 723.75 We have a little case that you slip 'em in. ES2011d H03 FEE044 723.76 724.41 Okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 785.28 786.36 Are we just about ready? ES2011d H03 FEE044 788.28 791.24 Apparently I'm supposed to use the whiteboard. ES2011d H03 FEE044 791.24 793.25 Do we um is it necessary? ES2011d H00 FEE041 794.45 796.02 I don't think so. ES2011d H00 FEE041 796.02 800.4 It's yeah the the marker thing kinda stopped working last time we ES2011d H03 FEE044 796.1 797.74 We'll just do um ES2011d H02 FEE043 801.22 801.87 Okay. ES2011d H02 FEE043 799.73 801.22 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 802.18 802.89 Okay. ES2011d H03 FEE044 801.34 802.18 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 801.79 803.15 Our animals will forever be there. ES2011d H00 FEE041 804.54 809.71 Un unless you feel you need it t to okay okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 809.71 810.6 We'll ES2011d H03 FEE044 807.92 812.3 I don't feel any right um ES2011d H03 FEE044 815.65 817.02 We'll just go in a circle. ES2011d H03 FEE044 813.54 815.65 Right so one point one? ES2011d H02 FEE043 817.15 818.07 One. ES2011d H01 FEE042 817.39 817.51 'Kay ES2011d H01 FEE042 818.66 819.08 Five. ES2011d H03 FEE044 818.71 819.31 Right. ES2011d H03 FEE044 819.31 821.22 Ooh I don't know. ES2011d H03 FEE044 821.22 822.4 Right. ES2011d H03 FEE044 822.4 822.96 One? ES2011d H01 FEE042 823.44 823.82 Five. ES2011d H00 FEE041 824.25 824.98 Five. ES2011d H03 FEE044 827.39 828.41 Two. ES2011d H03 FEE044 828.41 831.31 Okay so do we just add it up and divide it by four? ES2011d H03 FEE044 831.31 833.08 Is that what the company does? ES2011d H03 FEE044 825.85 827.39 Five. ES2011d H00 FEE041 833.39 835.21 I I think we should ES2011d H01 FEE042 834.92 836.12 It's four if you wanna do that. ES2011d H00 FEE041 836.16 837.58 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 837.58 837.99 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 837.06 837.4 Yeah? ES2011d H01 FEE042 837.42 838.79 It adds to sixteen, so that's four. ES2011d H03 FEE044 841 841.54 Oh no. ES2011d H03 FEE044 843.42 844.66 One five five two. ES2011d H03 FEE044 841.54 843.42 It adds to thirteen. ES2011d H01 FEE042 845.04 845.93 Oh I thought she said five. ES2011d H02 FEE043 846.13 846.29 Hmm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 847.37 850.52 One five five two is thirteen, over four for now. ES2011d H03 FEE044 850.52 853.39 I think that's um next? ES2011d H02 FEE043 854.29 855.69 Um three. ES2011d H01 FEE042 856.91 857.44 Six. ES2011d H00 FEE041 857.54 861.48 Six. ES2011d H00 FEE041 861.48 863.95 I wasn't cheating I swear. ES2011d H03 FEE044 860.58 861.66 Two. ES2011d H03 FEE044 861.66 861.83 Uh-oh. ES2011d H03 FEE044 859.29 860.58 Really? ES2011d H02 FEE043 859.99 861.3 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 863.41 863.88 Right. ES2011d H03 FEE044 863.88 867.07 One point three is ES2011d H02 FEE043 868.18 870.72 So it's a one was true and seven was false? ES2011d H02 FEE043 872.02 875.15 Okay, so you guys really didn't like it? ES2011d H01 FEE042 872.26 872.53 Huh? ES2011d H00 FEE041 872.39 872.64 Uh. ES2011d H03 FEE044 872.59 873.46 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 875.58 876.51 I really ES2011d H00 FEE041 880 883.38 So we do have about the same thing, we just have it the other way ES2011d H00 FEE041 875.74 880 Oh I thought it was the other way round. ES2011d H01 FEE042 875.94 876.91 Wait a minute. ES2011d H01 FEE042 876.91 878.02 I thought it was the other way round too. ES2011d H03 FEE044 879.99 881.19 Well uh ES2011d H01 FEE042 881.11 881.3 Sh ES2011d H01 FEE042 882.84 888.14 Yeah I I was thinking one means no points, you know, all the way up to the top. ES2011d H03 FEE044 887.38 888.96 I should've kept the table up. ES2011d H03 FEE044 883.95 887.38 It was one is true and false is seven. ES2011d H03 FEE044 883.44 883.95 Yeah yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 888.92 890.03 Oh gosh. ES2011d H00 FEE041 890.03 890.53 Okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 890.53 891.19 Well ES2011d H01 FEE042 891.46 892.21 It's no problem. ES2011d H01 FEE042 889.13 891.46 I'll just I'll just reverse them all. ES2011d H00 FEE041 892.05 892.6 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 894.17 896.73 Right, well I'm glad this came out. ES2011d H00 FEE041 896.03 904.61 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 896.3 904.92 I thought you guys hated it. ES2011d H02 FEE043 900.54 904.53 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 896.6 900.54 I was like, why did you guys design it that way if you hated it? ES2011d H03 FEE044 898.09 900.23 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 901.13 904.74 Oh that's quite funny. ES2011d H03 FEE044 900.23 901.13 No. ES2011d H01 FEE042 923.7 924.09 Okay. ES2011d H03 FEE044 924.63 925.82 Okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 925.51 925.88 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 928.02 930.9 So, starting again, one point one? ES2011d H03 FEE044 927.15 928.02 Okay. ES2011d H02 FEE043 931.1 931.8 One. ES2011d H01 FEE042 933.15 934.08 Say two. ES2011d H00 FEE041 935.16 935.78 Three. ES2011d H03 FEE044 937.69 938.87 Okay, one point two? ES2011d H03 FEE044 937.29 937.69 Two. ES2011d H02 FEE043 941.1 942.25 Uh three. ES2011d H01 FEE042 942.31 943.01 Two. ES2011d H00 FEE041 942.86 943.68 Two. ES2011d H03 FEE044 944.66 945.29 Two. ES2011d H03 FEE044 946.09 948.19 Um, one point three? ES2011d H03 FEE044 945.29 946.09 Okay. ES2011d H02 FEE043 949.47 949.78 One. ES2011d H00 FEE041 950.64 951.39 One. ES2011d H01 FEE042 951.17 951.8 One. ES2011d H03 FEE044 954.95 955.68 Two point one? ES2011d H03 FEE044 953.17 954.95 Ha. ES2011d H02 FEE043 956.95 957.85 Uh two. ES2011d H00 FEE041 957.07 957.65 Two. ES2011d H01 FEE042 958.92 959.84 Uh two. ES2011d H00 FEE041 961.29 964.58 Two point I think I missed two. ES2011d H00 FEE041 964.58 965.73 Wait, is that two point one? ES2011d H01 FEE042 966.73 969.01 Yeah I put it down as one point four for some reason. ES2011d H03 FEE044 967.18 968.23 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 970.11 970.89 Sorry. ES2011d H03 FEE044 968.23 970.11 Oh dear, okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 969.57 971.92 Okay right that's I have two of them. ES2011d H00 FEE041 968.21 969.57 One point four, one point five. ES2011d H01 FEE042 971.57 973.13 Mine has all kinds of problems. ES2011d H03 FEE044 973.54 974.65 Sorry about that. ES2011d H03 FEE044 974.65 977.18 T two point two, which is one point five. ES2011d H03 FEE044 972.41 973.54 Two and one. ES2011d H00 FEE041 977.99 978.33 One. ES2011d H01 FEE042 979.38 980.43 Uh three. ES2011d H01 FEE042 981.58 982.95 Wait why did I put three? ES2011d H02 FEE043 982.82 983.46 Uh one. ES2011d H01 FEE042 984.62 986.11 I meant one on mine too. ES2011d H03 FEE044 984.8 985.33 Okay. ES2011d H03 FEE044 987.44 989.45 Is that correct on my slide? ES2011d H03 FEE044 989.45 989.71 Yeah? ES2011d H03 FEE044 986.42 987.44 Three point one. ES2011d H00 FEE041 988.53 988.94 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 988.94 989.46 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 989.24 990.1 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 990.1 991.33 Uh one. ES2011d H01 FEE042 992.87 993.84 Three point one. ES2011d H01 FEE042 993.84 995.02 I have four. ES2011d H00 FEE041 995.47 996.33 Three. ES2011d H03 FEE044 995.64 999.9 One, four, three, three, three point two? ES2011d H01 FEE042 1001.06 1001.93 Three. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1001.72 1002.27 Three. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1004.67 1005.2 One. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1003.45 1004.67 Uh. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1006.45 1007.73 Three point three. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1008.31 1008.89 One. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1008.89 1009.19 One. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1010.08 1010.89 Two. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1013.4 1014.52 Four point one? ES2011d H02 FEE043 1015 1015.83 One. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1015.63 1015.91 Two. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1016.55 1017.65 Five. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1019.35 1020.23 Two. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1020.23 1021.79 Four point two. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1022.08 1022.65 Two. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1023.1 1023.63 Three. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1023.81 1024.41 Four. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1025.89 1028.36 Two and four point three. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1029.19 1029.68 Two. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1029.51 1030.17 One, two. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1030.78 1031.19 One. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1031.34 1032.01 Two. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1035.3 1040.94 Okay I'll um I'll just do the calculations now if you want to continue. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1033.76 1035.3 Right so I put one on that. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1040.94 1042.11 Or is it tedious? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1042.11 1044.6 I'm I'm sorry this was so tedious for everyone. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1040.8 1041.18 Okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1041.18 1042.24 Um ES2011d H00 FEE041 1043.9 1051.73 No no that's um I think we should look at the ones that like where s where people said four ES2011d H00 FEE041 1051.73 1058.55 where um it looks like we might wanna discuss changing an aspect of the remote. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1045.82 1047.1 I didn't know how else to do it. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1058.69 1059.58 Okay. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1059.58 1062.36 Well the worst ones were three point one. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1062.94 1063.23 Mm-hmm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1066.55 1067.9 Three point one. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1063.59 1066.55 Do does every ones have the slide? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1066.83 1069.04 The that was material. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1069.96 1071.15 Slide show. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1080.17 1081.54 What are the suggestions? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1078.08 1080.17 Um, do you want to change it? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1081.54 1082.56 I don't know, anyone? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1073.52 1078.08 Material technologically innovative, okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1077.51 1077.79 Mm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1083.28 1084.23 Um ES2011d H02 FEE043 1083.51 1084.96 Which one is that again sorry? ES2011d H02 FEE043 1084.96 1085.92 Three point one? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1086.33 1087.05 Mm-hmm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1087.01 1090.3 Yeah that it's three point one was not that good. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1090.3 1091.51 Four point one. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1092.94 1094.33 Does the shape ES2011d H03 FEE044 1095.68 1097.01 Four point two? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1094.29 1095.68 The shape. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1095.2 1096.2 I think ES2011d H00 FEE041 1097.26 1099.89 See I'm having I'm having trouble imagining ES2011d H00 FEE041 1105.25 1106.55 It or bigger? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1101.22 1105.25 the is it uh gonna be the size, like the the controller? ES2011d H01 FEE042 1105.34 1107.33 I think the wheel would probably be mm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1107.22 1108.41 Because ES2011d H02 FEE043 1110.72 1113.49 And like then it you could hold it in your hand better. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1107.59 1110.72 What if we just smash all the vegetables down flat? ES2011d H01 FEE042 1117.33 1119.4 They're kinda smallish. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1114.08 1117.33 I think the base would definitely be larger, 'cause some of these are not as easy to hold. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1118.01 1118.54 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1133.65 1141.92 Um but I don't s I I personally don't think this is comfortable to to sit there, like it's an awkward position. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1121.82 1133.65 like if it's round and it's big then you you can't get that's why remote controls are long because you have that thumb kind of so c they could all be bananas and cucumbers. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1119.95 1121.82 No but I imagine even if it was bigger ES2011d H02 FEE043 1124.58 1125.54 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1126.58 1127.31 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1125.54 1126.58 The flat one. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1125.64 1126.07 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1132.2 1132.9 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1140.34 1144.08 But like if if you just squash them flat like and you made it flat ES2011d H02 FEE043 1138.6 1140.34 I didn't yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1144.04 1147.64 Well if they're that s uh stress ball stuff they would be pretty squishable. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1150.45 1153.2 But it's still too big I think, in your hand. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1153.2 1153.35 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1150.74 1150.85 Mm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1152.24 1152.96 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1155.82 1158.38 And would it even resemble fruit that way? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1158.38 1159.48 I mean ES2011d H02 FEE043 1159.02 1164.98 Yeah like certain ones you'd have to limit the fruit selection, like you could probably do a strawberry still. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1164.98 1166.34 I think the broccoli would be out. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1161.91 1162.2 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1164.78 1165.28 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1167.51 1172.78 You could do, although the broccoli is quite comfortable, I have to say, like sorta like a joystick. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1171.73 1175.52 Yeah that I I when you were holding that before, it actually looked yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1173.99 1175.44 That looked really good. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1173.33 1173.99 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1175.88 1176.64 So ES2011d H02 FEE043 1175.45 1175.88 I don't know. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1178.01 1180.15 Are there any fruits that look like broccoli, no? ES2011d H02 FEE043 1180.6 1181.28 Uh. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1182.84 1183.88 Not that I can think of. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1183.88 1188.02 Rhubarb. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1184.94 1191.84 I think that broccoli is my favourite actually. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1191.84 1192.8 Uh despite the ES2011d H02 FEE043 1185.06 1188.17 Rhubarb. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1188.17 1189.71 These obscure fruits. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1191.3 1191.72 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1192.55 1194.03 I think we needn't ES2011d H00 FEE041 1193.45 1206.71 What if um the it was just patterns on like we we chose the shape or the sh shape could be whatever we wanted and then it would just be like a design on the rubber. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1208.33 1209.39 Huh? ES2011d H02 FEE043 1209.39 1209.99 Oh okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1209.33 1213.34 You know like like just a printed yeah or coloured yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1210.26 1213.38 So it's just colour, and not necessarily the shape of a strawberry. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1213.39 1214.25 That could work. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1212.92 1213.39 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1214.45 1215.61 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1215.94 1222.18 Or I mean we could even have fruit like around I mean ES2011d H02 FEE043 1220.26 1220.93 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1222.97 1223.52 I dunno. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1222.32 1222.97 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1226.41 1229.53 And if we wanna incorporate the fruit thing somehow ES2011d H00 FEE041 1229.53 1236.99 there might be I mean if it if it in if it uh conflicts with the comfort of actually holdi holding the ES2011d H00 FEE041 1223.38 1226.41 But if we if we need yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1223.5 1226.05 Yeah and just have the colour match or something. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1236.68 1240.3 'Cause yeah no-one wants to hold a remote that's uncomfortable obviously. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1235.88 1236.68 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1239.65 1240.83 Mm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1240.33 1240.74 Mm. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1241.32 1244.6 Or like I dunno, some of 'em you can kind of think see as like ES2011d H02 FEE043 1246.52 1251.55 like you could if it was only this you know, if it was shaped like that, and it just had that. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1251.55 1254.69 But you see the problem is you have to attach that, and this has to be detachable. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1252.09 1252.72 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1255.01 1255.42 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1256.34 1258.59 So like maybe that's just too big because ES2011d H00 FEE041 1257.58 1264.08 Well see th the reason the broccoli works is you can kinda hold it like that, which is a nice kind of yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1261.58 1263.31 Yeah it's sorta like a joystick. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1261.89 1262.6 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1266.13 1266.95 But ES2011d H02 FEE043 1268.56 1269.15 I guess ES2011d H02 FEE043 1267.43 1268.56 I dunno. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1268.69 1271.95 I mean is there some way we could make it this kind of shape? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1271.95 1274.29 'Cause like kind of ES2011d H01 FEE042 1273.24 1277.78 We could make it that shape but just have different colours, and call 'em the different fruits. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1277.78 1280.81 We went with shape because we were having fun with the play-dough. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1275.55 1277.24 Yeah, yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1277.24 1278.33 Or like even ES2011d H02 FEE043 1275.82 1276.49 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1276.01 1276.51 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1277.25 1277.68 Dif ES2011d H00 FEE041 1279.58 1280.79 Or even like ES2011d H00 FEE041 1281.48 1284.07 Yeah like you said, like a joystick like that. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1284.07 1284.5 You know? ES2011d H02 FEE043 1284.59 1285.89 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1285.89 1290.9 Like uh we could do I'm trying to think of other sha like fruits that are oddly shaped. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1283.66 1284.59 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1290.43 1292.52 'Cause that, I think ES2011d H00 FEE041 1297.67 1300.91 And you still have the comfort of holding it like that. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1293.73 1297.67 I mean that fits the whole round iPod idea. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1296.77 1297.5 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1297.58 1297.83 Mm-hmm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1297.73 1298.25 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1302.17 1302.47 Mm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1303.99 1310.47 And you could like if it's like this, you could put fruit designs and stuff on that part. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1309.96 1310.34 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1308.88 1309.96 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1311.34 1311.78 Alright. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1312.36 1316.47 But I mean it do we have any other ideas about that? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1317.53 1318.2 Um ES2011d H02 FEE043 1322.2 1324.54 We could tr I don't know. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1327.86 1333.38 Think the critical ones came out to be yeah that one. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1336.81 1344.25 Batteries easy to insert for some reason, which can be easily I think that's not a problem any more. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1343.39 1346.45 The batteries are going in the back? ES2011d H01 FEE042 1344.06 1345.71 That everyone gave that a one or a two. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1346.95 1349.78 Yeah they'd probably be either on the front or the side of the remote. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1346.99 1347.43 No. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1349.18 1356.73 The reason I I ga I didn't give it a one I think I gave it a three because I thought you'd have to like unc clip no you could ES2011d H01 FEE042 1354.71 1359.89 No I imagine there'd be sort of a hatch door, yeah um like on a normal remote. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1357.79 1358.85 Just like any other one. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1359.67 1359.92 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1358.85 1359.67 Okay. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1361.06 1361.39 Right. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1361.59 1366.43 So it would probably either in the f no it can't be in the front 'cause the I. R. 's right there, but it'd be on one of the sides probably. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1366.64 1367.12 Okay. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1367.01 1369.05 I think everyone's under three anyway. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1371.03 1371.16 Mm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1371.36 1374.78 So I think it's yeah those are the only two points. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1377.81 1378.42 Well ES2011d H02 FEE043 1377.03 1377.81 Cool. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1380.46 1383.46 Yeah the broccoli I guess wins. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1386.01 1389.03 Um, I was just having fun making strawberries and stuff. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1381.8 1386.01 Yeah I'd agree with changing the shape. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1383.76 1384.73 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1386.21 1386.75 Okay. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1388.36 1391.64 We were a bit off task. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1391.64 1396.44 Um so uh I can't think of any ES2011d H02 FEE043 1397.71 1398.66 So we'll have to like ES2011d H02 FEE043 1403.12 1403.9 Mm. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1405.47 1406.37 Yeah I dunno. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1407.81 1415.22 You could make the touch pad in th in different shapes, but then that kind of re-designs the whole project like, but you could do like ES2011d H01 FEE042 1414.66 1418.59 It might also sort of annoy people if we get used to having the buttons in one shape. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1417.59 1420.22 Yeah that's true. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1420.22 1420.63 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1418.84 1419.25 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1420.71 1424.24 And it would probably cost more to produce, 'cause they're irregular. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1422.47 1423.43 Yeah that's true. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1425.27 1426.23 Mm. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1426.41 1429.61 I bet having different colours is a lot cheaper than having different shapes too. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1429.62 1430.27 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1431.57 1437.35 Which is why printing might be like just printing the fruit on fruit. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1438.24 1438.46 Hmm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1440.53 1440.88 Mm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1448.48 1449.44 Not really ES2011d H00 FEE041 1465.36 1467.96 Um so project evaluation. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1454.06 1465.36 Well we've done finance evaluation criteria, production evaluation. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1467.83 1469.36 Do you want this and we can all ES2011d H03 FEE044 1472.37 1473.18 No. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1473.25 1484.08 I guess we're supposed to discuss um the prod the process of the project and how satisfied oh, oh it's alright. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1485.98 1486.62 Um ES2011d H00 FEE041 1484.08 1485.15 Uh. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1485.15 1485.98 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1484.5 1485.4 It's alright yeah? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1488.17 1492.28 Did you feel there was a lot of room for creativity in the sort of ES2011d H01 FEE042 1492.5 1493.37 Sure. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1493.4 1493.96 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1495.64 1496.24 I did. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1497.18 1497.42 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1497.38 1498.92 I mean fruit and squishiness. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1498.92 1501.65 How c more creative can you get? ES2011d H01 FEE042 1498.25 1501.64 Sponginess. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1501.58 1514.5 The prototype making was very creatively stimulating and I think we've come up with a product that's fun and meets all the criteria. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1515.2 1518.61 And how was our leadership and teamwork? ES2011d H01 FEE042 1518.72 1519.64 I think it was good. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1520.9 1523.64 It was a very democratic process and everyone got to contribute. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1519.64 1520.9 We knew what we were doing. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1533.82 1534.25 Um. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1525.87 1529.28 Well I thought my leadership was crap personally. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1529.28 1531.57 Excuse me, am I allowed to say that? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1531.57 1533.82 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1527.56 1532.58 Well you told us when to start and when to end, and that's all that matters. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1534.49 1535.34 I think you were fine. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1535.34 1536.39 You did a good job leading. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1535.61 1540.1 Yeah, well I'm never gonna do a management position, I know that now. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1540.1 1542.32 Um yeah, I thought we all worked very well together. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1541.47 1545.1 Yeah we didn't we uh it all c sort of blended quite well. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1544.24 1544.57 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1544.53 1547.49 Yeah I think it more than anything we didn't really have our set roles so much, ES2011d H02 FEE043 1547.49 1552.47 as we just would be like I don't know, all had ideas about it but yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1548.68 1550.24 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1550.24 1551.11 Very democratic. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1557.24 1562.94 Um and the means for like the materials we used, how convenient were they? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1552.54 1557.24 No spats, that was good. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1554.22 1555.15 No. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1564.59 1568.08 Like the the pens, the whiteboard, I mean we used ES2011d H01 FEE042 1574.92 1580.32 I just use the Unix or the off market, sort of WordPerfect and all these other things. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1572.63 1574.92 No no I never touch Macs either. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1567.3 1572.63 Well I'm not a big fan of any Microsoft, PowerPoint or any of this stuff. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1571.39 1573.6 Are you a Mac person? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1580.39 1580.73 Huh. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1581.09 1581.26 Hmm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1581.68 1584.35 Which isn't very user-friendly though. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1583.38 1584.34 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1591.42 1593.28 So I have all these documents I can't use now. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1584.34 1591.42 Well the problem is if you don't like my new computer never has WordPerfect so I have to go track someone down who has an old disk and then I have to reinstall it. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1595.32 1596.65 But yeah I mean I guess it's okay. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1597.62 1600.13 I felt like my I dunno if it was just my role ES2011d H02 FEE043 1600.13 1606.37 but l but uh I di I thought that my the information that was available to me was kind of just like or maybe it was just the idea that we had. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1624.36 1629.16 But yeah I d I don't really like PowerPoint personally, think it's kinda stupid. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1611.81 1614.49 So I didn't really think it was helpful. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1606.37 1611.81 But there's kinda it was kinda like okay, I don't really think I dunno what I'm doing here. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1614.49 1624.36 So I kind of just made up my own stuff and I didn't really like the PowerPoint presentations, so I kind of wrote a lot of notes instead. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1611.67 1611.88 Mm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1619.89 1620.21 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1624.55 1624.97 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1629.34 1630.16 I never use it. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1628.38 1629.34 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1630.29 1631.84 Yeah but uh ES2011d H00 FEE041 1631.94 1636.7 I can't say I found everything particularly helpful. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1636.7 1637.51 Like I ES2011d H02 FEE043 1636.56 1636.9 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1636.9 1637.96 It didn't really yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1637.26 1638.61 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1638.61 1642.83 My first bit of information was like this child's drawn picture of how a remote works. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1638.34 1638.67 It ES2011d H03 FEE044 1638.55 1640.62 I though it was brilliant no? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1640.05 1642.13 Really? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1642.91 1647.82 No mine was really helpful as in my stuff was quite helpful I think. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1647.82 1649.64 I think it depends on the role no? ES2011d H01 FEE042 1647.59 1651.38 Yeah it probably does. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1647.64 1648.16 So like a f ES2011d H00 FEE041 1658.86 1665.67 And when you were talking about it I was just like you know that's wh that's why I seemed so ignorant when when you were j explaining things ES2011d H00 FEE041 1656.17 1658.86 See I couldn't do that, so I didn't really know what you guys were doing. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1665.67 1666.4 'cause I ES2011d H00 FEE041 1647.75 1650.88 I mean m my problem yeah, yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1650.88 1656.17 'Cause my problem was, you guys had access to like they'd put send you to sites and stuff right? ES2011d H02 FEE043 1649.53 1650.65 Yeah I think so. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1655.62 1655.92 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1665.93 1672.6 Yeah well mine was mostly made up except when they told me like you know titanium costs more than wood to make a remote control. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1672.6 1673.51 As if you'd wanted to. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1670.41 1671.13 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1672.7 1673.86 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1673.86 1677.5 But it must have been quite difficult for them to build a whole um ES2011d H00 FEE041 1672.86 1673.24 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1678.99 1679.45 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1677.98 1678.99 System. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1678.6 1684.76 a whole system, 'cause of course they can't give you uh uh anything comparable to the internet for the ES2011d H02 FEE043 1683.97 1685.81 Yeah I mean, it ES2011d H00 FEE041 1684.4 1684.67 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1684.81 1687.09 Well I think it's interesting how it all went together, ES2011d H01 FEE042 1687.09 1692.16 like I had the stuff about how me how rubber's cheap, and you have how people want it to be spongy, and ES2011d H03 FEE044 1690.53 1691.44 Yeah, yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1692.27 1693.37 Yeah, huh. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1693.21 1694.45 It seems planned you know. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1694.52 1695.44 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1708.64 1709.68 But um ES2011d H02 FEE043 1694.7 1699.41 Yeah I kinda thought that um I felt like I would go and like try to use my information ES2011d H02 FEE043 1699.41 1708.64 or like I'd make this stupid little presentation and then like I just would end up talking about something completely unrelated because I dunno I felt like I was off-task all the time. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1706.39 1706.64 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1710.29 1721.79 Well I mean we really got into talking about like personal practicalit like it wasn't necessarily what was like we would never have thought of fruit or sponginess you know? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1721.79 1722.96 So it's ES2011d H01 FEE042 1721.95 1723.42 If I hadn't been told that fruit was ES2011d H01 FEE042 1719.69 1721.95 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1720.13 1721.11 No. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1720.51 1721.34 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1723.73 1731.52 But I think that it it might be to see whether people actually all come up with the same thing. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1731.43 1733.52 given certain information or ES2011d H00 FEE041 1730.89 1731.43 Oh right. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1738.34 1740.4 Um what's next? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1734.32 1738.34 Yeah, like if everyone's given the same input I don't have a clue, anyway. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1740.4 1742.72 Looks like oh no that's not um ES2011d H00 FEE041 1734.46 1735.16 Just yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1737.51 1738.86 Mm, mm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1744.42 1745.17 It's quite ES2011d H00 FEE041 1746.07 1747.58 It asks about that. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1744.52 1746.07 What do you guys think of the pens? ES2011d H01 FEE042 1748.42 1750.11 They're kinda hard to write with though. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1746.54 1748.42 They're pretty cool. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1748.3 1748.46 Mm. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1748.42 1748.85 I wanna s ES2011d H00 FEE041 1750.05 1755.28 Yeah and I I've f forgotten once or twice to check the box. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1750.09 1750.64 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1755.51 1760.01 I I'd like to see what what it looks like on the ES2011d H01 FEE042 1760.06 1766.59 They're nicer than the pen that I'm using, because like your stuff actually shows up here, rather than having to look at the screen and write. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1766.66 1767.12 Mm. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1768.91 1770.16 But even so, I dunno. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1773.43 1779.54 And new ideas found? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1779.54 1779.92 Yeah. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1778.19 1780.3 Yeah it's all very new, no? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1781.52 1782.31 It's all very new. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1784.71 1787.95 Yeah I think I'd like to um ES2011d H02 FEE043 1788.81 1789.28 I dunno. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1794.16 1799.3 but like they're kinda clumsy I guess when you're like when you're s going up to the whiteboard like. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1791.2 1794.16 Like it was the I think the microphones are okay when you're sitting down ES2011d H03 FEE044 1791.35 1791.87 Sorry. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1796.81 1797.99 Oh yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1799.81 1801.78 Well they drop off if you like move too much. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1802.51 1803.74 But they're they're okay. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1801.7 1802.51 Yeah I dunno. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1806.64 1807.54 I don't know. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1802.84 1806.06 But I don't think we're supposed to be testing these microphones. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1806.06 1806.64 Maybe we are. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1806.71 1809.61 Uh I think, and I think that uh ES2011d H00 FEE041 1806.82 1807.26 Mm. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1819.95 1821.4 or like I dunno. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1810.94 1819.95 all this technology like I guess some people must be interested in using it but I can't imagine finding it any more useful than like looking at someone's notes ES2011d H00 FEE041 1819.4 1819.87 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1846.09 1848.63 It's like the there's just really not a lot of information that goes through. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1819.88 1825.42 Well the thing is, like I actually worked in a company, and I had a role and I had to go to meetings. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1825.42 1830.12 And like the last thing I would have wanted would be to have to watch a video 'cause I missed a meeting. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1841.23 1846.09 And you're sort of going over general stuff that anybody who's sort of on task should already know. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1830.12 1832.25 Like usually I missed meetings deliberately. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1838.71 1841.23 It's mostly like rehashing old stuff. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1832.25 1838.71 There's just there's really not that much information that actually goes through a real meeting, like when you're actually at a real meeting in a real company. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1836.07 1836.41 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1838.42 1838.64 Hm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1842.85 1843.16 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1847.99 1850.86 Seems kind of like an excessive reiteration. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1850.86 1851.26 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1849.51 1851.1 It seems like way overkill. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1851.1 1855.03 Like if I missed a meeting I could probably get it summed up in like one sentence. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1855.03 1859.64 I wouldn't need to have to watch like a t two hour video with the sound and the transcript and ES2011d H00 FEE041 1854.36 1854.85 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1859.64 1860.02 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1860.94 1862.65 I guess it would be ES2011d H02 FEE043 1864.83 1872.89 it's gotta be worth it to I 'cause I'm just mostly curious about like what kind of person or like company would would really find it useful, 'cause ES2011d H02 FEE043 1873.99 1875.51 can't really imagine, dunno. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1877.39 1879.78 How about a p a? ES2011d H02 FEE043 1881.08 1883.66 Um I dunno. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1893.74 1896.33 Any other ideas for ES2011d H00 FEE041 1888.68 1893.74 Well does anyone wanna talk about fruit more while we still have time? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1902.25 1902.99 Is that the end? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1900.79 1902.25 Or we ending? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1896.45 1900.79 Are we are we supposed to um you supposed to write a report? ES2011d H03 FEE044 1895.04 1896.45 What what's the end? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1902.13 1909.27 Um we still have time if there's any other input. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1909.27 1913.85 I mean the I think we did really well personally, which is why we've ES2011d H00 FEE041 1917.55 1929.17 'Cause I mean we've all we all kind of agreed our product is satisfactory, it fits the budget, and it's trendy. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1929.17 1929.67 So. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1915.07 1917.55 you know, gone through this so quickly. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1927.1 1927.71 Yeah. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1932.02 1932.57 Um. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1933.93 1935.46 You have to tell her, she ES2011d H03 FEE044 1933.13 1933.93 End of meeting. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1936.22 1939.86 So I think that's all for today. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1937.51 1942.77 Okay we have to fill in all this stuff. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1942.77 1943.48 Stuff stuff stuff. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1943.25 1944.9 M meeting adjourned. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1944.42 1945.3 Meeting adjourned. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1944.9 1945.62 Yeah. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1946.98 1952 I think I've learned not to bring play-dough to meetings. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1949.38 1950.75 Yeah. ES2011d H02 FEE043 1952.42 1955.32 I think it would be a good idea, I like it. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1953.49 1958.98 It's hard enough to get people actually paying attention. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1958.98 1960.38 Especially if you have food. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1968.22 1968.79 'Cause ES2011d H00 FEE041 1964.19 1968.22 So I guess we're supposed to write final reports. ES2011d H01 FEE042 1968.39 1969.02 All of us? ES2011d H00 FEE041 1969.87 1971.31 I don't know. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1971.31 1971.51 Hmm. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1970.52 1972.33 Well there's al eight, nine. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1972.33 1973.05 Ooh. ES2011d H03 FEE044 1973.92 1974.41 Oh ooh. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1974.66 1975.32 Hmm. ES2011d H00 FEE041 1975.32 1977.02 Or is that just me? IS1008a H02 FIE073 34.29 34.77 Oops. IS1008a H02 FIE073 38.76 40.61 That's as far as it goes. IS1008a H00 MIO086 49.14 51.58 Hi guys uh good morning everybody here. IS1008a H00 MIO086 55.18 62.78 uh my name is uh Shrida Daseri and uh I'm a project manager for this new project which we are going to discuss now. IS1008a H00 MIO086 53.08 55.18 And uh I want to introduce myself IS1008a H00 MIO086 63.74 68.48 So I want to introduce first of all uh the names and the colleagues here. IS1008a H00 MIO086 71.67 73.29 And what you're uh drawing? IS1008a H01 FIE038 72.56 80.25 Uh sure my name is Agnes and I'm an user usability user interface designer. IS1008a H03 MIE085 85.48 87.42 My name is Ed and I do accounting. IS1008a H00 MIO086 88.44 89.97 Uh how you spell your name uh? IS1008a H03 MIE085 89.97 90.42 E. D. . IS1008a H00 MIO086 90.63 91.42 E. D. okay. IS1008a H03 MIE085 91.63 91.75 Mm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 93.27 93.63 And? IS1008a H02 FIE073 95.46 96.53 Do you also do marketing? IS1008a H03 MIE085 96.67 98.6 No. IS1008a H00 MIO086 99.28 100.34 So only accounting? IS1008a H03 MIE085 100.86 101.69 Accounting, yes. IS1008a H00 MIO086 101.31 101.65 Okay. IS1008a H00 MIO086 102.84 103.16 And? IS1008a H02 FIE073 103.41 109.34 And I'm Christine, and my role in this uh scenario is to be the industrial designer. IS1008a H00 MIO086 104.64 104.97 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 109.84 110.77 Industrial designer. IS1008a H02 FIE073 111.59 112.49 But I'm not really one. IS1008a H00 MIO086 115.67 117.86 So who is uh marketing, nobody in the market IS1008a H03 MIE085 117.24 120.7 Marketing is uh, is me. IS1008a H00 MIO086 119.14 120.06 It's you, okay. IS1008a H00 MIO086 121.56 129.08 So thanks for coming for the meeting first of all, and uh we have a long time IS1008a H00 MIO086 129.08 134.27 just twenty-five minutes to discuss about uh this project and the the project initiation. IS1008a H00 MIO086 135.12 143.91 First of all I want to ask uh Mister Ed about your uh marketing plan and your product plan and uh IS1008a H03 MIE085 143.03 151.18 Well I think that we'll see that throughout the day in how we're going to put this together as a marketing to to market the product. IS1008a H03 MIE085 151.97 156.09 We'll have to see on a through discussion on where we're gonna go from here and from with this. IS1008a H00 MIO086 156.22 162 Mm-hmm but uh do you already have like a functional design or a technical design or IS1008a H03 MIE085 160.38 162.78 Uh for the moment not yet. IS1008a H00 MIO086 163.24 170.36 Oh for the moment not yet, okay, but uh what's what's your uh do you have some project plan, something with you or IS1008a H03 MIE085 168.91 173.02 Good question. IS1008a H03 MIE085 177.47 179.9 We'll have to simply we'll have to work on it together. IS1008a H03 MIE085 173.93 177.47 No, this is like I said that we have to be discussed between all of us and we'll go from there. IS1008a H00 MIO086 178.28 178.64 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 180.11 188.84 Okay, so uh by when you think you can uh give me some kind of uh project plan, okay, a discussion with uh IS1008a H03 MIE085 188.42 189.74 Certainly by the next meeting. IS1008a H00 MIO086 189.86 191.87 By next meeting, okay that will be great. IS1008a H00 MIO086 197.58 198.06 Uh IS1008a H00 MIO086 200.56 206.33 Okay, so there's any questions or uh first of all about uh this project? IS1008a H02 FIE073 206.96 208.37 What is the goal of the project? IS1008a H00 MIO086 209.54 214.04 Uh the goal of the project I think maybe I'll uh hand out to the Ed, okay IS1008a H00 MIO086 214.04 218.69 so to explain uh what is the project because he's in the sales and the accounting. IS1008a H03 MIE085 221.7 224.67 We have to define exactly what our product is, from uh IS1008a H03 MIE085 218.24 221.7 I'm in the sales I'm supposed to explain them what to do. IS1008a H00 MIO086 227.65 231.36 Yes, so can you explain uh what exactly the product is? IS1008a H03 MIE085 231.92 236.53 From what I had in mind we're supposed to be marketing coffee, is that right? IS1008a H00 MIO086 238.27 241.92 Oh I think uh, if I'm not wrong, we're making the remote control. IS1008a H01 FIE038 238.65 239.45 Um I was wondering IS1008a H03 MIE085 249.44 256.33 and afterward I had a discussion about coffee so we'll start with the remote control for television then. IS1008a H03 MIE085 244.26 249.44 I had a first part of mine was to make a remote control for a new f remote control for television IS1008a H03 MIE085 241.99 244.26 Remote controls, 'cause I had two different things. IS1008a H00 MIO086 252.36 254.31 Yes. IS1008a H03 MIE085 258.07 260.67 So we're have to design something that is very user friendly. IS1008a H00 MIO086 261.19 261.44 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H01 FIE038 261.23 261.62 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H03 MIE085 269.95 276.24 because I think everybody's experienced with uh remote controls, and some remote controls are are worth uh throwing out the window. IS1008a H03 MIE085 261.5 269.95 Something uh visual that has something that will will draw people to buy the product, IS1008a H00 MIO086 268.76 269.68 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H03 MIE085 278.14 287.02 Uh th most of them ar I don't know we're have to come up with a new idea on how to make it a lot easier to use IS1008a H03 MIE085 287.02 292.49 'cause a lot of times uh spend uh half a day through the instruction book trying to figure out how to use it. IS1008a H00 MIO086 286.52 286.85 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 292.76 293.06 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H01 FIE038 293.3 293.54 Mm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 294.27 299.82 And uh what abo uh Christine, what about your uh the industrial design plan? IS1008a H00 MIO086 300.58 305.99 Are you have a design already on this product or uh you're still working on the design? IS1008a H02 FIE073 333.85 338.08 and um I understood that that was the project goal. IS1008a H02 FIE073 321.19 333.85 Um the website I went to look at had some announcements about an introduction of a um uh some sort of a seven inch um monitor IS1008a H02 FIE073 312.33 321.19 and um I uh I actually didn't know we were designing a remote control, I thought we were designing a new monitor. IS1008a H02 FIE073 307.5 312.33 Um no, I I have not begun working on the design, IS1008a H00 MIO086 311.44 311.77 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H02 FIE073 338.39 345.77 So um I'm glad I didn't d do any work um ahead of time because uh I clearly didn't understand the project goal. IS1008a H00 MIO086 345.98 346.35 Okay. IS1008a H02 FIE073 346.55 354.78 Um I just did s see that we were starting a new project together and there was going to be a four member team composed of these people, IS1008a H02 FIE073 354.78 363.58 and um that's about uh that's and I I read through the different steps, and what my responsibilities were relative to the steps. IS1008a H00 MIO086 358.4 358.71 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 363.76 369.65 So uh you'll be leading the team for your design team or how many members is working in the team, for the design? IS1008a H02 FIE073 368.59 371.48 Uh for the industrial design? IS1008a H00 MIO086 371.2 371.49 Yes. IS1008a H02 FIE073 372.18 375.81 Um well, I would th think that depends on how much money you give us. IS1008a H00 MIO086 376.23 376.53 Okay. IS1008a H00 MIO086 377.53 378.51 That's IS1008a H02 FIE073 377.74 386.46 Um because uh, you know, you can uh you can make it uh you have different choices with different financial models. IS1008a H00 MIO086 389.49 399.67 uh do you have some idea how we can uh sell this product or project in the market and how much is going to benefit to the company and uh of course it's to the individual also. IS1008a H00 MIO086 386.22 389.49 Yeah, but uh before we talk about uh the finance, okay IS1008a H02 FIE073 401.53 412.01 Well, you know um, I kind of think that in general you have to do uh um y you have to have something that's very fashionable, IS1008a H02 FIE073 412.01 423.78 that's uh very attractive that um people see and recognize uh its goal, and uh they immediately wanna have it uh have one of their own. IS1008a H02 FIE073 429.73 436.47 seems to have caught on fairly well, so um d uh you know, I don't care what it does, just so it looks cool. IS1008a H02 FIE073 423.78 429.73 So it would really would need to um something like the iPod would be good, IS1008a H00 MIO086 431.87 432.03 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 436.88 446.4 Okay, but uh uh when you think you can give me like a kind of design on the functional design or the technical design? IS1008a H02 FIE073 455.39 458.77 If they uh go quickly then uh it could be a month. IS1008a H02 FIE073 458.77 463.71 If um if I run into any problems in my other projects it might be six months. IS1008a H02 FIE073 446.2 455.39 Well, uh I've got a lot of other projects I'm doing right now um and so I'll have to wait and see how those uh how those go. IS1008a H00 MIO086 475.14 478.83 okay, and what is the budget, maybe uh initial budget you're looking, IS1008a H00 MIO086 470.61 475.14 and uh how many people you need for this project, and what's the time frame you're looking, IS1008a H00 MIO086 464.32 470.61 Yeah, but uh I need something in the writing, so like uh what's your functional design, what's your technical design, IS1008a H02 FIE073 473.23 473.52 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H02 FIE073 475.31 476.04 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 479.29 482.28 okay, and uh how is going to the market, okay, IS1008a H00 MIO086 482.28 487.91 so you've you've had to meet with the marketing team and how they're going to market and what are the marketing strategic plan, IS1008a H00 MIO086 488.33 494.84 okay, when are you going to introduce, okay, and by the time you introduce the product and uh you know there there would be a competition, IS1008a H00 MIO086 494.84 500.37 okay, so I need some kind of uh uh the plan in the writing from you. IS1008a H02 FIE073 501.18 503.22 And when would you like that? IS1008a H00 MIO086 501.29 502.38 Okay, and it's po IS1008a H00 MIO086 504.22 505.25 B as soon as possible. IS1008a H02 FIE073 506.71 516.59 Uh well if uh if we have enough time uh then d do you think um two weeks is a is close enough? IS1008a H00 MIO086 517.22 522.09 Yes I think uh that would be good, because I need to go to the management and uh tell them what we are going to do, IS1008a H00 MIO086 529.26 533.21 I cannot go to the management and say, so we are going to do this and we need this much money, IS1008a H00 MIO086 522.09 524.08 and uh what cost is, okay, IS1008a H00 MIO086 524.08 529.26 and what's the time frame and what's the project plan, because uh without any uh documentations, IS1008a H00 MIO086 533.53 537.07 okay, so then it's it's difficult for me to say, okay, IS1008a H00 MIO086 537.07 543.49 that's the reason I need uh some kind of plan from you, initially, okay, then we can have the further discussion again. IS1008a H02 FIE073 545.16 548.72 Uh are there other people who will be contributing to the plan? IS1008a H00 MIO086 549.32 551.88 Yes, of course, if you need some help, uh so let me know. IS1008a H00 MIO086 552.14 559.22 So, who are the people you need uh from the marketing or uh the technical side or uh the administration point of view, okay, IS1008a H00 MIO086 559.22 565.7 to add in any documentation, or some technical point of view, so just let me know so I can uh coordinate all the teams. IS1008a H02 FIE073 565.62 567.1 Okay, I'll get back to you on that. IS1008a H00 MIO086 567.35 567.66 Thank you. IS1008a H00 MIO086 567.03 567.35 Yes. IS1008a H00 MIO086 568.12 568.34 Okay. IS1008a H00 MIO086 568.94 580.79 And uh Ed uh so what's what do you think about uh this uh project for the remote control and d do you have some already planned something for your marketing strategy or uh the sales strategy? IS1008a H03 MIE085 604.61 608.99 it has to be something that that draws people saying eh, I like this. IS1008a H03 MIE085 601.28 604.61 uh th I agree it has to be something it has to be something new, IS1008a H03 MIE085 587.91 595.4 what they're building, their designs, their ideas, uh also have to pinpoint which market we're gonna go into. IS1008a H03 MIE085 595.4 601.28 It should be a fairly large market because uh the number of people that uh the competition IS1008a H03 MIE085 581.17 587.91 Well not yet other than uh doing research and taking remote controls and looking what other companies have to do uh, IS1008a H00 MIO086 587.54 587.87 Hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 594.67 595.04 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 600.19 600.66 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H03 MIE085 609.66 614.96 Whether it works or not, they have to first say I like this, I like the design, and then it's gotta be simple to use. IS1008a H00 MIO086 615.16 621.11 Yes, so what I uh prefer maybe uh you need to interact uh more with the Christine, IS1008a H00 MIO086 621.11 627.11 okay, because you know what she is going to do it, okay, and you know how to sell it. IS1008a H00 MIO086 633.26 638.75 so because you need to sell and you're the responsible for the all the money, the finance, okay, tomorrow. IS1008a H00 MIO086 627.53 633.26 Okay, because uh she is doing the design, but you are the core because you are in the marketing, okay, IS1008a H03 MIE085 630.67 630.92 Yeah. IS1008a H03 MIE085 637.86 638.15 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 639.16 644.37 So, what I prefer, okay, so you need to interact with the Christine more and uh within her team, IS1008a H00 MIO086 648.05 651.38 okay, and uh you need to come up with some kind of plan, IS1008a H00 MIO086 651.38 655.03 okay, how we are going to do the your sales plan, okay, th IS1008a H00 MIO086 644.37 648.05 okay, who is using the functional design or technical design, IS1008a H03 MIE085 647.52 647.74 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H03 MIE085 654.66 660.93 Do we already have a cost limit on this, th an idea of how much uh we want to market this for, IS1008a H03 MIE085 660.93 664.77 how much it's gonna sell for, that's up that's up to us to decide, eh? IS1008a H00 MIO086 659.7 659.8 Th IS1008a H00 MIO086 660.93 661.92 That that's IS1008a H00 MIO086 676.75 681.81 in the the technically, or in the sales wise, okay, the commercial wise, okay. IS1008a H00 MIO086 663.98 672.26 Yes, that's you have to decide, okay, so the best thing is you uh both of uh the Christine and you discuss with yourself, okay, IS1008a H00 MIO086 672.26 676.75 and come up with the cost, and how we are going to compete in the market, okay, IS1008a H00 MIO086 682.18 685.96 Then uh we have to design, okay, how long it will take the whole project, IS1008a H00 MIO086 685.96 690.22 okay, how much is going to cost us, and how much we are going to benefit for the company. IS1008a H00 MIO086 691.08 695.66 Okay, of course it's it's uh of benefit for everybody individually. IS1008a H00 MIO086 706.76 713.43 okay, then it will help me to discuss with the management for further, okay, and put it in the the proper project plan. IS1008a H00 MIO086 701.99 706.76 okay, including the technical what uh she's going to talk to you within the team, IS1008a H00 MIO086 696.53 701.99 Okay, so I think it's uh maybe if we can uh give me some kind of your uh the sales plan, IS1008a H03 MIE085 714.9 715.79 Very good. IS1008a H00 MIO086 715.1 722.84 Okay, and if you need uh any coordination in between uh compared to the maybe the some technical vendors or commercial vendors, IS1008a H00 MIO086 722.84 728.08 okay, depends if you want to have some uh uh marketing plan or technical plan, okay, so you let me know. IS1008a H00 MIO086 728.85 734.84 Okay, I can coordinate, or maybe uh, you are my coordinator, am I right? IS1008a H03 MIE085 729.44 729.77 Very good. IS1008a H01 FIE038 735.27 735.9 Mm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 735.92 737.93 Between uh all the coor IS1008a H01 FIE038 737.41 739.14 Well, no, not exactly. IS1008a H01 FIE038 747.25 751.15 it's acceptable to the people who are gonna use it and look at the best ways to do that. IS1008a H01 FIE038 739.14 747.25 I mean my job from what I understood was to look at the usability requirements and make sure that the product is usable IS1008a H00 MIO086 750.98 751.2 Yeah. IS1008a H01 FIE038 755.39 761.4 so that she's not designing something that my studies will show right off the bat that it's not going to work, IS1008a H01 FIE038 761.4 772.22 and so it's sort of it's a loop that feeds in, but I don't think necessarily that I'm in a coordinating position for it. IS1008a H01 FIE038 751.47 755.39 So I think I'll have to interact with Christine and discuss with her IS1008a H00 MIO086 753.58 755.43 Th Christine, yeah. IS1008a H00 MIO086 757.93 758.45 Which is IS1008a H00 MIO086 768.96 769.34 Yes. IS1008a H00 MIO086 771.51 781.02 Yeah, so basically you need to interact with Christine more, okay, for the user acceptability, okay, and the testing, okay, then you will IS1008a H01 FIE038 777.88 778.1 Yeah. IS1008a H01 FIE038 779.7 780.68 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H01 FIE038 785.94 791.63 what tag lines you attach to it, how you try to make it more attractive to users. IS1008a H01 FIE038 780.68 785.94 Which will also feed into the marketing, because depending on what users want, depends on how you sell it, IS1008a H01 FIE038 791.63 796.98 So I think all three groups will need to interact quite a bit. IS1008a H00 MIO086 782.25 782.73 Yes. IS1008a H00 MIO086 785.9 786.24 Yes. IS1008a H00 MIO086 787.09 787.25 Yeah. IS1008a H00 MIO086 788.97 789.27 Yeah. IS1008a H00 MIO086 791.03 791.27 Yeah. IS1008a H01 FIE038 797.2 805.33 Um, and then I guess build the plan based on all of that, because I think you need to take all the factors into account. IS1008a H00 MIO086 805.18 805.52 Yep. IS1008a H00 MIO086 808.97 813.97 in between your uh meeting and Christine meeting, because uh he should know what's happening. IS1008a H00 MIO086 805.79 808.97 But what I request, okay, keep Ed in the loop, okay, IS1008a H01 FIE038 808.72 810.37 Yeah, of course. IS1008a H01 FIE038 814.28 818.17 Yeah, we can C. C. him on any discussions or documents that are passed around. IS1008a H00 MIO086 815.11 815.49 Yes. IS1008a H00 MIO086 815.83 821.99 Okay and please please copy all the mails, okay, all the discussions to me, okay, so I need to submit to the management. IS1008a H01 FIE038 820.23 820.44 Sure. IS1008a H01 FIE038 822.24 822.64 No problem. IS1008a H00 MIO086 825.75 827.98 So any questions for uh time being? IS1008a H03 MIE085 833.49 833.6 No. IS1008a H01 FIE038 834.51 840.7 So, the immediate next step is to start determining the functional design, or okay. IS1008a H00 MIO086 839.54 839.93 Yes. IS1008a H00 MIO086 841.59 841.85 Okay. IS1008a H00 MIO086 847.71 852.44 and how it's going to be work, and uh first of all with your user acceptance, IS1008a H00 MIO086 852.44 859.74 okay, how it looks like and how it's going to be work in the market, okay, so then we can discuss about uh further things. IS1008a H00 MIO086 843.81 847.71 To come up with the functional design and uh to discuss with Ed, okay, IS1008a H01 FIE038 852.26 852.48 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H01 FIE038 859.6 859.86 Okay. IS1008a H00 MIO086 859.83 862.61 So, we'll meet when the we'll discuss on the further meeting. IS1008a H00 MIO086 864.74 865.08 It's okay? IS1008a H01 FIE038 865.66 865.76 Mm-hmm. IS1008a H00 MIO086 866.15 866.81 Thanks for coming. IS1008a H02 FIE073 866.98 872.04 Would you mind um at the conclusion of our meeting could could you send us a copy of your slides? IS1008a H00 MIO086 874.47 874.89 Yes. IS1008a H00 MIO086 872.71 874.47 Yes, I will. IS1008a H01 FIE038 873.27 874.69 Mm-hmm, yeah, that would be useful. IS1008a H00 MIO086 879.99 884.77 share each other, okay, so you know everybody what's happening, okay? IS1008a H00 MIO086 875.56 879.99 I'll copy, uh le let us keep all the emails and all the copies, okay, IS1008a H01 FIE038 884.07 884.25 Sure. IS1008a H00 MIO086 886.8 891.52 And if anything you need anytime so please either you can call me, or just send me email, IS1008a H00 MIO086 891.52 895.69 or uh just come and uh knock my door, okay, so I'm available here. IS1008a H00 MIO086 896.61 897.45 It's good? IS1008a H01 FIE038 897.3 897.51 Okay. IS1008a H00 MIO086 897.73 901.18 Okay, thanks for coming and uh I wish you a nice time then. IS1008a H02 FIE073 898.15 898.54 Thank you. IS1008a H01 FIE038 898.72 899.29 Thanks. IS1008a H01 FIE038 901.54 901.8 Thank you. IS1008a H00 MIO086 901.89 903 Okay, see you later. IS1008a H00 MIO086 903 903.5 Bye. IS1008b H00 MIO086 34.47 40.49 Okay uh Agnes, you can help me for the slide when okay. IS1008b H02 FIE038 37.5 37.92 Sure. IS1008b H02 FIE038 36.75 37.5 Yep. IS1008b H00 MIO086 40.93 42.79 Okay, welcome back. IS1008b H00 MIO086 43.31 46.69 I hope uh you have a fresh head and a fresh time. IS1008b H00 MIO086 48.87 58.05 How t now the meeting actually we gathering here to discuss about the functional design meeting. IS1008b H00 MIO086 59.56 64 Okay, and uh we'll issue some information from uh all of you. IS1008b H00 MIO086 64.18 68.34 And it's in the, I think uh, in the sharing folder. IS1008b H00 MIO086 68.56 75.25 And uh I will invite uh the Christine and the Ed and uh Agnes to discuss about on the various subjects. IS1008b H00 MIO086 77.29 79.31 So can you go to the next slide? IS1008b H00 MIO086 80.53 83.38 Yeah uh the agenda of the meeting is opening. IS1008b H00 MIO086 83.88 88.01 Then uh I'm going to talk about uh the project management, IS1008b H00 MIO086 88.01 92.84 what I'm going to do, and uh, of course, I'm doing the project management and secretary both, IS1008b H00 MIO086 93.25 95.09 okay, to take the minutes of the meeting. IS1008b H00 MIO086 95.71 97.5 And there are three presentations. IS1008b H00 MIO086 97.56 99.85 One is uh new project requirements. IS1008b H00 MIO086 100.34 103.52 And the second one about uh decision on remote control functions. IS1008b H00 MIO086 104.01 105.78 And uh finally we are closing. IS1008b H00 MIO086 106.04 111.73 Uh and the meeting time will be uh forty minutes, so you have to be very quick. IS1008b H00 MIO086 112.88 118.79 And I have come up with the management come with the new proposal, okay, and I have to discuss a few points on this. IS1008b H00 MIO086 119.56 124.38 Uh both says new insights in the aim of your project. IS1008b H00 MIO086 126.36 135.41 Uh the one is uh the teletext becomes uh outmoded, okay because if uh because of the computer systems and the new technology. IS1008b H00 MIO086 135.63 140.59 So we don't need to consider really about the teletext all in our new project design. IS1008b H00 MIO086 141.35 145.44 And the second one is about uh the remote control. IS1008b H00 MIO086 146.37 149.19 Should be used only for the T. V. . IS1008b H00 MIO086 149.94 151.94 That's what our uh management says. IS1008b H00 MIO086 153.78 164.6 And the third point, it's very very important to establish our uh marketing or uh corporate image, okay, with this new project or new product. IS1008b H00 MIO086 166.28 166.56 Okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 168.09 170.81 So I will invite uh IS1008b H00 MIO086 171.64 173.77 Agnes, can you go to the third slide? IS1008b H02 FIE038 174.77 175.86 No, this is the third slide. IS1008b H00 MIO086 176.12 176.41 Okay,. IS1008b H00 MIO086 177.19 183.03 So, I'll invite uh Christine to discuss about uh the functional design. IS1008b H01 FIE073 185.28 187.32 'Kay, do you wanna open the IS1008b H02 FIE038 186.46 186.84 Sure. IS1008b H02 FIE038 189.01 189.57 Um. IS1008b H02 FIE038 194.37 197.14 You're participant s IS1008b H01 FIE073 196.95 198.27 I'm number two. IS1008b H02 FIE038 199.37 199.48 Two? IS1008b H01 FIE073 200.4 200.75 That's it. IS1008b H02 FIE038 204.48 205.9 Do you want the mouse, or do you want me to IS1008b H01 FIE073 207.03 208.11 Yeah, thanks. IS1008b H01 FIE073 206.23 207.03 I'll do the notes. IS1008b H01 FIE073 222.11 230.29 and from research I did, uh the the device has to turn the television on and off the first time you press on the big button, IS1008b H01 FIE073 230.29 235.22 you can't uh can't have like uh waffling on this point, you know. IS1008b H01 FIE073 235.22 235.72 Really have IS1008b H01 FIE073 211.57 222.11 So um well I I figured uh we should um identify some user requirements, and from my experience, I wanna uh, IS1008b H01 FIE073 235.87 238.15 It needs to be able y y have to be able to find it. IS1008b H01 FIE073 238.64 243.54 Because one of the biggest problems with remote controls is finding them. IS1008b H01 FIE073 250.01 255.75 thought we better look at things that are popular and um ex go beyond those, and, as I said in the first meeting, IS1008b H01 FIE073 244.49 250.01 So uh, I also, since we have to establish our corporate image on the basis of this new product, IS1008b H01 FIE073 264.31 272.64 especially in the the uh the outside of the product so that it gives the appearance, and it is reliable, and so forth. IS1008b H01 FIE073 256.58 264.31 um and then uh we might wanna talk eventually about the materials that are appropriate to use in uh in the construction, IS1008b H01 FIE073 285.33 293.29 'cause it made me think of um um maybe the remote control made a big flash when uh you turn the T. V. on and off, that might be interesting. IS1008b H01 FIE073 284.29 285.33 which I kinda like the idea, IS1008b H01 FIE073 273.67 279.72 I did a little history on uh the the uh remote controls and when they were invented and so forth, IS1008b H01 FIE073 279.72 284.29 so, I guess this guy Zenith uh created the Flashmatic IS1008b H01 FIE073 303.49 312.94 and the sound on and off, and change channels c so I think um those are still requirements we have today, uh fifty years later. IS1008b H01 FIE073 293.93 303.49 And um so it was highly directional flash light that uh you could turn the picture on and off, IS1008b H02 FIE038 311.06 311.25 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H01 FIE073 313.6 318.82 And uh it was really a pioneering innovation, but it was uh sensitive to the sun IS1008b H01 FIE073 318.82 326.24 so that uh it would get would start off by the you'd get it would easily cause um problems. IS1008b H01 FIE073 327.08 328.06 So, uh IS1008b H01 FIE073 328.86 342.56 I in addition to uh looking at the um uh the functional requir so all these devices are examples of where uh mm they represent examples that are available today IS1008b H01 FIE073 342.56 344.13 which I think the one in the middle IS1008b H01 FIE073 344.64 348.24 is r um really uh something to keep in mind. IS1008b H01 FIE073 348.24 349.38 It'd be easy to find. IS1008b H03 MIE085 344.93 347.18 Fantastic. IS1008b H01 FIE073 350.22 360.68 And um it would uh y you'd you could throw it at things if if the T. V. didn't turn on and off, you could use it for something else. IS1008b H01 FIE073 360.99 366.5 And since I'm not really um Industrial Designer, I didn't really know what to do with this slide. IS1008b H01 FIE073 367.14 368.36 But um IS1008b H01 FIE073 380.07 382.66 I don't know why um we were asked to do this. IS1008b H01 FIE073 368.48 376.07 I just took some different uh schematics and I put them into this IS1008b H01 FIE073 376.07 380.07 and I guess this is what a slide might look like if you were drawing a circuit board. IS1008b H01 FIE073 383.12 383.69 So, IS1008b H01 FIE073 384.36 387.81 uh personal preferences, um IS1008b H01 FIE073 388.24 391.33 I think we could uh I I'm really thinking outside the box here IS1008b H01 FIE073 391.33 400.08 and I think that we should consider perhaps having an an an a a size uh a remote control that changes in size depending on the user preference. IS1008b H01 FIE073 400.34 403.96 So something that's very very flexible and inflatable and then you could shrink it. IS1008b H01 FIE073 413.71 420.95 so you didn't have to um uh have a problem with the th the decoration of the of the user's home. IS1008b H01 FIE073 409.06 413.71 or you could make it clear, and um kind of blend in with things IS1008b H01 FIE073 404.42 409.06 I think um it could either be you could go either one extreme, be very colourful, IS1008b H01 FIE073 424.4 430.54 because uh sometimes they fall into cups and, you know, it might be out by the swimming pool or something like that. IS1008b H01 FIE073 421.52 424.4 Um I think uh it needs to be waterproof, IS1008b H01 FIE073 430.97 438.75 Um if you uh mi one of one of my requirements was about needs t to tell you when it's done its job or not, because half the time, IS1008b H01 FIE073 438.75 443.85 I keep pushing on the remote control, and I don't know if it's actually understood my message IS1008b H01 FIE073 443.85 446.47 so I think it should give you some sort of an oral cue. IS1008b H01 FIE073 446.92 449.88 And uh, course I never wanna replace the battery. IS1008b H01 FIE073 449.94 454.2 So, that's those are my f preferences, and that's my presentation. IS1008b H00 MIO086 454.54 456.75 Yeah, let me uh interrupt you uh IS1008b H00 MIO086 456.99 461.13 if you can add other facility, other feature, like uh unbreakable. IS1008b H01 FIE073 461.46 462.13 Yes. IS1008b H00 MIO086 462.14 467.48 Okay, because uh especially today, you know, you have the family and the kids, IS1008b H00 MIO086 467.48 471.29 okay, and the kids throw it and they they play with their remotes and. IS1008b H01 FIE073 470.09 471.42 Run over it with a car. IS1008b H00 MIO086 471.41 471.73 Yes. IS1008b H00 MIO086 472.14 478.15 Okay, so if you can add the feature, okay, for your uh fabric whatever in your outline design IS1008b H00 MIO086 478.42 484.21 okay, with unbreakable, okay, I think that will give a lot of advantage for our product, IS1008b H01 FIE073 485.79 487.47 Good idea, I'll I'll uh um IS1008b H01 FIE073 484.83 485.79 Good idea. IS1008b H00 MIO086 484.88 485.49 if I'm not wrong. IS1008b H00 MIO086 486.95 488.32 Maybe you can uh add it in that. IS1008b H01 FIE073 488.45 489.27 Yes, very good. IS1008b H00 MIO086 500.13 510.27 Okay, uh thank you Christine, and uh uh any questions or uh clarifications, or any discussion on the functional design? IS1008b H02 FIE038 513.29 516.26 Do you have any preconceived ideas in terms of materials? IS1008b H02 FIE038 523.64 530.08 I dunno, steel or titanium isn't really economically viable. IS1008b H02 FIE038 516.79 523.64 'Cause, for example, in the unbreakable thing, doing something plastic would be harder, whereas having something like, IS1008b H01 FIE073 521.38 521.74 Hmm. IS1008b H01 FIE073 524.39 525.7 Titanium. IS1008b H01 FIE073 525.7 530.76 Titanium would be be heavy, too, wouldn't it? IS1008b H03 MIE085 525.92 527.62 Titanium. IS1008b H02 FIE038 530.41 531.14 Yeah. IS1008b H01 FIE073 533.14 538.24 No, I haven't really um I wanted feedback, I think we need to rate rank these IS1008b H01 FIE073 538.24 541.7 but we'll see what your uh personal preferences are and your thoughts. IS1008b H02 FIE038 537.91 538.24 Yeah. IS1008b H02 FIE038 541.02 544.49 No, I just wondering whether that you had any sort of IS1008b H02 FIE038 539.52 541.02 Sure, yeah. IS1008b H01 FIE073 545.03 545.7 It's light. IS1008b H01 FIE073 543.9 545.03 I like titanium. IS1008b H02 FIE038 546.09 546.34 Yeah. IS1008b H03 MIE085 546.73 547.4 Expensive. IS1008b H01 FIE073 546.83 556.04 Uh yeah but uh who who said who said we were, you know, nobody told me how mu what our financial objective is, so um IS1008b H02 FIE038 548.25 551.09 The marketing comes out. IS1008b H00 MIO086 551.45 551.84 Yes. IS1008b H00 MIO086 556.71 557.84 Yeah so IS1008b H01 FIE073 557.2 560.69 It'd be hard to inflate something ou made out of titanium though. IS1008b H00 MIO086 558.98 564.2 Yeah the the I'm sorry because uh the last meeting we supposed to discuss about the financial thing. IS1008b H00 MIO086 564.63 567.47 Uh let me go quickly, maybe if I can go back. IS1008b H00 MIO086 568.53 570.85 I know the project plan and the budget. IS1008b H00 MIO086 575.87 578.66 So I can close this, not sure. IS1008b H00 MIO086 580.34 581.9 Was in uh IS1008b H00 MIO086 597.3 597.77 S IS1008b H00 MIO086 600.08 600.29 This. IS1008b H00 MIO086 618.44 620.92 So let me see where is this file. IS1008b H02 FIE038 632.08 633.33 That's Christine's. IS1008b H00 MIO086 633.6 634.8 This is Christine. IS1008b H02 FIE038 651.29 652.84 And that's mine, I think. IS1008b H00 MIO086 652.16 653.15 That's yours, okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 654.54 655.45 Saving. IS1008b H02 FIE038 658.31 658.86 In modified. IS1008b H03 MIE085 659.54 662.65 I don't know, I think verbally we can we can pretty much sell. IS1008b H00 MIO086 660.25 662.32 Okay, uh I will I will send you a mail, okay? IS1008b H00 MIO086 662.32 665.44 The project may be the the project aim, okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 666.1 672.35 At the end of the day, the company uh wants to make at least uh the fifty million Euro. IS1008b H00 MIO086 672.64 678.1 Okay, and uh of course the price will be very reasonable on the the sales side. IS1008b H00 MIO086 678.52 687.42 that maybe Eddie will talk to you about uh how much uh the price and uh what's uh how much its cost for the manufacturing and how much it's going to be we sell in the market. IS1008b H00 MIO086 678.2 678.52 Okay IS1008b H00 MIO086 688.2 688.5 Okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 688.94 691.46 Then uh you can come back with your feedback. IS1008b H00 MIO086 691.78 694.92 And I I have one maybe the suggestion or opinion. IS1008b H00 MIO086 694.92 700.97 This remote control, okay, it can be for like universal, to use for any T. V. . IS1008b H00 MIO086 702.6 706.44 Okay, and it will be slim, okay, and uh IS1008b H01 FIE073 705.34 707.33 Not fat? IS1008b H00 MIO086 708.01 708.62 Not fat. IS1008b H01 FIE073 708.84 710.33 Not fat, huh. IS1008b H00 MIO086 710 710.21 Okay. IS1008b H01 FIE073 711.96 713.21 Might be hard to find, though. IS1008b H00 MIO086 713.82 714.16 Yep. IS1008b H03 MIE085 715.15 715.26 Hmm. IS1008b H00 MIO086 715.44 720.56 But let's try it, okay, with the different uh the designs, okay, the functional designs. IS1008b H01 FIE073 716.72 717.2 Oh, okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 721.09 721.32 Okay? IS1008b H00 MIO086 722.06 723.48 So any other questions? IS1008b H03 MIE085 724.72 729.84 Uh from her side, I don't think uh there's too many more questions. IS1008b H03 MIE085 729.84 731.05 If you can come to the IS1008b H00 MIO086 730.11 733.37 Thank you Christine for uh time being, so then uh IS1008b H00 MIO086 729.32 730.11 Okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 734.48 736.73 Ed, so can you tell about IS1008b H03 MIE085 741.75 745.12 I was looking for a a remote control to have a s IS1008b H03 MIE085 735.43 741.75 Okay, from the marketing yeah, from the marketing side, just to to give an idea what the management is looking for IS1008b H02 FIE038 744.66 746.73 S 'scuse me for one sec. IS1008b H03 MIE085 747.59 754.42 I have a sales price of twenty-five Euro, with a production price of uh twelve and a half Euro. IS1008b H03 MIE085 756.77 764.13 For what uh I think from what we're trying to find, we're tr we're looking for, I don't think that price is exactly in the market. IS1008b H03 MIE085 764.95 765.53 Okay? IS1008b H00 MIO086 765.59 765.87 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H03 MIE085 765.8 768.95 I'll explain myself here now in the sense that uh IS1008b H03 MIE085 775.67 779.57 eighty percent are willing to spend more money for something as fancy as trendy. IS1008b H03 MIE085 770.24 775.67 in a in the recent surveys, uh from the ages fr from fifteen to thirty-five IS1008b H03 MIE085 780.59 783.59 Twenty-five Euros, uh that's that's a preson reasonable price. IS1008b H03 MIE085 783.59 784.99 That's a market price right now. IS1008b H03 MIE085 796.5 797.64 Obviously the risk is there. IS1008b H03 MIE085 785.69 791.35 Now if we're gonna take a risk, and push this up a bit, make it more expensive, IS1008b H03 MIE085 791.35 796.5 but give them added things that they don't have now, then it w it could possibly sell. IS1008b H00 MIO086 787.15 787.69 Yep. IS1008b H00 MIO086 794.22 794.37 Yep. IS1008b H03 MIE085 797.97 799.61 Too expensive, they're not gonna buy. IS1008b H03 MIE085 810.1 815.2 which always spends more money on trendy new things, speech recognition is requested. IS1008b H03 MIE085 800.08 810.1 But, I think uh there's one other thing interesting two things that are interesting is that uh from the fifteen to thirty-five year-old group, IS1008b H01 FIE073 816.45 818.46 Speech recognition? IS1008b H03 MIE085 816.49 824.53 And we're talking between seventy-five to ninety percent of this group is willing to pay for speech recognition on a remote. IS1008b H00 MIO086 824.59 824.72 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H03 MIE085 825.47 829.76 Obviously, we can't make a remote into a computer, but maybe simple commands. IS1008b H03 MIE085 830.87 834.79 I dunno, louder, softer, on, off. IS1008b H03 MIE085 836.27 841.42 That might be a possibility, even though it costs more, to be the first on the market to produce this. IS1008b H03 MIE085 842.75 845 Thirty-five percent say they're too difficult to use. IS1008b H03 MIE085 845.37 848.04 So we have to figure out a way of making it um more user friendly. IS1008b H03 MIE085 848.73 854.62 Uh fifty percent say they can't find the remote half the time. IS1008b H03 MIE085 855.45 860.04 So maybe one word speech recognition commands, say remote, and there's a beep beep beep, IS1008b H03 MIE085 860.04 865.51 and they can find it through, you know, ten tons of newspapers, magazines, whatever you have at home. IS1008b H03 MIE085 866 869.72 But, in the cost that uh the management is looking for, that's not gonna be possible. IS1008b H03 MIE085 886.47 891.3 I can find my my remote without spending half a day looking for it and getting all upset 'cause I can't turn the T. V. on. IS1008b H03 MIE085 876.54 881.17 if it's got simple remote speech remote uh control, like I said, IS1008b H03 MIE085 871.35 876.54 But if it's trendy, if it's fancy, it's got some colour to it, if it's very easy easy to use, IS1008b H03 MIE085 881.17 886.47 louder, softer, change channel, on, off, remote, it goes beep beep IS1008b H03 MIE085 892.43 900.32 So we're gonna have to look at it in a in this global idea, with the ideas of the industrial uh design. IS1008b H03 MIE085 901.11 903.1 But, price obviously we have to talk about. IS1008b H00 MIO086 903.56 903.69 Yep. IS1008b H00 MIO086 905.16 908.54 So what do you think about uh the design? IS1008b H00 MIO086 908.54 910.68 Do you think you can make it or uh IS1008b H01 FIE073 914.62 915.79 D uh I'm sorry? IS1008b H00 MIO086 916.95 922.74 What do you think about uh the design, uh what he was talking about of the speech recognition? IS1008b H03 MIE085 920.79 921.88 Speech recognition. IS1008b H01 FIE073 925.57 930.87 Well, uh training is always an issue with uh commands. IS1008b H00 MIO086 930.84 931.12 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H01 FIE073 944.35 950.17 uh it could reduce th th uh the overall um cost. IS1008b H01 FIE073 931.35 944.35 So um might uh we can perhaps um do it if the user is willing to spend some time in the training process IS1008b H01 FIE073 950.69 951.2 Not sure how. IS1008b H01 FIE073 951.4 960.65 But um anyway, um I I think also that uh this might impact the battery life. IS1008b H01 FIE073 961.49 972.4 And um so, maybe what we'll have to do is um add something where you can um recharge it wirelessly IS1008b H01 FIE073 973.6 976.66 so that uh y you know sen send power to it. IS1008b H01 FIE073 982.8 991.57 um a a solar cell inside there so that uh you have enough uh juice to do all these fancy things. IS1008b H01 FIE073 977.8 982.8 So uh or maybe uh set it out in the sun and it uh, you know, gets uh, from the light IS1008b H02 FIE038 981 981.13 Hmm. IS1008b H02 FIE038 991.27 994.79 It seems also like with the speech recognition, yeah, it's a great feature, IS1008b H02 FIE038 998.99 1001.66 It's not just, you know, noises like something hitting. IS1008b H02 FIE038 994.79 998.99 but if you're watching T. V., there's a lot of ambient sound, and it's words. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1011.53 1013.13 Otherwise, you can say remote. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1013.13 1019.79 But if someone on the screen is saying the same thing, all of a sudden, you have someone in a movie saying off and your screen dies, IS1008b H02 FIE038 1002.24 1011.53 It's actual speech, so then you have to make sure that the speech recognizer is good enough to filter out the T. V. speech, and the the user's speech. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1012.93 1014.54 Off. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1020.31 1024.48 because they've triggered the remote control and it's turned off your T. V. . IS1008b H02 FIE038 1025.38 1032.55 So, I think if we can find a speech recognizer that can handle those types of problems, then yeah, it'd be a really good marketing gimmick. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1032.55 1036.73 But, I think we seriously need to consider how that would impact IS1008b H03 MIE085 1031.43 1031.81 Mm. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1038.63 1039.61 the situation. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1039.59 1040.25 Very good point. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1041.17 1048.75 Because tha w with speech recognition uh th I'm not that good at that idea but th IS1008b H02 FIE038 1047.61 1047.89 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1048.77 1055.19 if it's a one-word recognition, 'cause I know with telephones and cars and things I've seen in the States, IS1008b H03 MIE085 1055.19 1058.35 a friend of mine says call Mom, and it calls up Mom. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1054.16 1054.32 Yeah. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1058.69 1058.96 Yeah. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1059.17 1060.84 'Kay the radio can be on and everything. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1061.05 1061.2 Yep. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1061.68 1070.42 Because I think s with speech recognition, if uh the the remote or like the telephone it has a exact word that it has to hear. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1069.55 1069.97 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1071.08 1073.75 I don't think it would come through a sentence in a television. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1073.85 1078.77 If somebody's speaking on the se the television, they're not gonna stop and say remote, okay. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1078.29 1078.83 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1079.13 1083.92 So I think that uh something could be designed to recognise single word IS1008b H02 FIE038 1083.99 1084.24 Yeah. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1083.33 1083.99 Oh yeah. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1084.57 1086.07 Like the t like the telephone. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1084.61 1089.43 No, I think it's a great idea if we can design it to to suit those requirements. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1090.82 1095.38 and the telephone called immediately so well, that's kinda cute. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1086.49 1090.82 No because I this is this is years ago in the United States where we're driving down and he said call home, IS1008b H02 FIE038 1092.75 1093.05 Yeah. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1099.43 1106.35 Well, what I can uh suggest to you, Christine, okay, uh if you need some uh the technical feedback, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1106.35 1112.47 or some training, okay, about uh this facility, especially for the speech recognition, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1112.92 1120.83 I can recommend you some companies like uh Intel or I. B. M., okay, because they're already in this uh speech recognition part, okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1121.29 1126.63 And uh you can maybe have some uh technical backup from them, some kind of a technical tie-up. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1127.44 1134.44 Okay, and uh if you want, I can coordinate, okay, to get some information, okay, and uh you can uh let me know, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1134.44 1139.92 okay, so what kind of uh the details you require IS1008b H00 MIO086 1140.75 1142.53 okay, to add this feature IS1008b H00 MIO086 1144.23 1145 in this project. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1146.18 1148.28 I don't think it's uh the difficult. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1152.64 1156.26 And uh we need to know how much is the timeframe you need to develop, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1157.85 1159.69 apart from uh what today. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1161.52 1162.67 Okay, we'll find that out. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1162.88 1163.04 Yep. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1164.33 1169.46 From from your side uh, you're gonna have to go back the management and s be more s precise. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1173.52 1178.42 Something that's gonna cost more, but could very easily s make a boom in the market? IS1008b H03 MIE085 1170.54 1173.52 Uh, a risk, take a risk on the market? IS1008b H03 MIE085 1169.46 1170.54 What do they want? IS1008b H00 MIO086 1168.02 1168.44 Yes. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1169.98 1170.39 Yes. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1176.99 1177.26 Yes. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1178.53 1178.69 Yep. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1179.08 1182.31 Because it has to be something totally different, has to be total totally new. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1182.31 1184.05 Something that nobody has right now. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1184.92 1187.82 Yeah but but end of the day, you're the sales guy, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1187.82 1193.51 so I will come back and sit on your head because uh you are going to give your sales projection, okay. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1184.96 1185.79 And it's gonna cost. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1194.13 1200.58 It's uh of course it's uh good to uh tell the management how much it's cost us and how much you are going to benefit, okay. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1194.39 1194.83 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1199.54 1200 Sure. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1200 1200.49 Sure. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1204.04 1209.75 the management to spend some more money on the project, okay, if you can make out of IS1008b H00 MIO086 1200.95 1204.04 And uh, so I don't mind to convince, okay, IS1008b H03 MIE085 1211.24 1212.64 Obviously. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1212.26 1213.82 the money from this project. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1213.82 1217.93 Yes, okay I don't mind to convince the the management, okay. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1212.9 1215.06 If the bottom line is positive. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1217.4 1217.58 Mm. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1218.29 1225.89 The management says, okay, so they they don't want certain facilities, which it's already worked, okay, they want something uh new, okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1226.21 1231.47 I think uh like uh speech recognit definitely they will agree, I don't think they'll say no for that, okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1231.79 1235.77 And uh I hope I can convince the management on that, okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1238.36 1244.21 for uh your you can always come up and uh you can tell me if you need any uh s special, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1244.21 1250.34 okay, coordination, okay, between any uh technical companies, which you can uh hide their technology backup, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1236.16 1238.36 So if you have any uh new ideas, okay IS1008b H00 MIO086 1251.11 1256.24 okay, for your uh functional design or technical design, okay, then I am ready to do that. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1261.53 1264.06 And uh what's your comments about uh IS1008b H02 FIE038 1266.11 1269.6 Um well, I mean, maybe if I go through my presentation, IS1008b H02 FIE038 1269.6 1274.93 you can sort of see what the user perspective is, and how it ties into the other two comments. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1270.42 1270.72 Mm. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1274.9 1278.36 Yeah, so you are finish, Ed, uh so I can uh IS1008b H03 MIE085 1276.63 1277.4 Yes. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1277.4 1277.53 Mm. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1278.92 1281.19 Okay, I'll uh hand over to Agnes. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1282.1 1284.51 Just gonna close this. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1284.51 1284.63 T IS1008b H00 MIO086 1287.1 1288.78 Uh where are you, here? IS1008b H02 FIE038 1289.09 1290.27 Mm participant three. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1291.17 1292.05 Participant three. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1298.01 1299.54 Nope, here IS1008b H00 MIO086 1299.64 1300.68 Okay, so I'll yep. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1317.39 1317.59 Okay. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1318.85 1319.07 Good. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1323.79 1325.04 Thanks. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1325.04 1325.82 Yeah, and that's fine. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1324.26 1324.91 Is it okay? IS1008b H00 MIO086 1324.91 1325.13 Alri IS1008b H02 FIE038 1332.31 1339.18 the method that we usually use in the user interface design is that we need to look at what people like and what people don't like about existing products. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1339.18 1341.13 So, in our case, existing remote controls. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1329.16 1332.31 So, basically IS1008b H02 FIE038 1328.39 1329.16 Okay. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1347.3 1350.95 We seem to have intuitions about why things are good or things are bad, IS1008b H02 FIE038 1341.64 1347.3 And then, what the good ideas are, and what the bad ideas are, and why they're bad and good, which isn't always as obvious. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1350.95 1356.31 but when you look, technically, at how it works, sometimes that's not the case. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1356.89 1363.8 Then we need to decide what functionalities we really want to keep, 'cause that'll feed into both Ed's work and Christine's work. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1364.52 1370.65 Um and then what the remote control should look like, obviously, once we've got a good idea of what the functionalities are. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1375.6 1381.12 You need to change channels, both by directly going to a specific channel or by channel surfing. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1381.12 1387.68 You need to be able to control the volume and then control any menus on the T. V. to regulate contrast or whatever. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1371.41 1375.6 So, in terms of the functionalities that we need, you obviously need to be able to turn the T. V. on and off. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1392.05 1397.18 So, the problems that people have expressed is that there's too many buttons on remote controls, in general. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1397.62 1400.79 The buttons it's not clear what they're supposed to do. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1401.33 1408.18 Um often, you need to know specific button sequences to get certain functionalities done, IS1008b H02 FIE038 1408.18 1412.93 um which you don't necessarily always remember, especially if it's a functionality that you don't use very often. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1413.4 1414.89 And that the buttons are too small. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1416.14 1424.43 So, here we've got two examples where here on the left-hand side, you can see a remote control that has lots and lots of buttons. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1424.43 1426.7 The buttons, in a lot of cases, are tiny. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1427.58 1434.04 Um they're hard to see, and okay, they're labelled, but the labels don't necessarily tell you too much. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1448.29 1454.06 So, I would be inclined to go sort of towards this, in terms of design, rather than this. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1442.72 1448.29 And it sort of looks simpler and just less imposing when you first look at it. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1434.33 1442.72 Whereas, on the other side, you have a much simpler remote control that I think basically has the minimum functionalities that are needed. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1454.54 1461.29 And if there's specific functionalities that require more buttons, then we can figure out how to do it with existing um buttons. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1462.02 1466.24 So my personal preferences are to keep the number of buttons to a limit, or to a minimum, IS1008b H02 FIE038 1469.98 1477.89 so like the on button being really obvious one, the channel changing and the volume, and to keep the design basically sleek and simple. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1466.24 1469.98 sorry, make frequently used buttons bigger and more strategically placed, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1477.08 1477.94 Click mm. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1479.43 1485.4 Which, I think ties into what Christine and Ed have both said fairly reasonably. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1485.7 1488.22 Um so, that's pretty much it, an IS1008b H02 FIE038 1489.89 1493.39 I don't know if you guys have any questions or IS1008b H01 FIE073 1501.41 1510.28 Clearly your research and uh and ours uh heading in the same direction, and um uh IS1008b H01 FIE073 1497.75 1501.41 Oh, it's um, seems very understandable. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1506.65 1507.02 Yep. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1510.72 1520.36 the only thing that I saw missing from uh your your research that we found was this uh ability to find the doggone thing when you need it. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1522.03 1522.22 Yeah. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1520.53 1522.03 Yes, that's true. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1521.46 1523.09 So uh, you know, but that's okay. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1523.09 1531.09 That's why we're all here at the table, so that if we think of it and our research indicates certain things and um w we it's complementary. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1529.35 1529.55 Yeah. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1541.45 1550.59 is something that um uh was expressed more in in in in my uh design IS1008b H01 FIE073 1531.99 1541.45 I also think that um uh th f the the feel of it is uh, when you hold it IS1008b H02 FIE038 1550.46 1551.18 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1551.18 1551.49 Yeah. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1551.04 1560.49 and that's logical and normal 'cause those are the parameters that an Industrial Designer's more thinking about, th th the look and the feel, and uh, you're IS1008b H02 FIE038 1557.58 1557.77 Yeah. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1559.93 1561.57 Oh, that's definitely a very important factor, IS1008b H02 FIE038 1561.57 1568.13 especially to users who are gonna be buying the thing and then using it almost on an daily basis in a lot of cases, I think. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1562.87 1563.29 Yep. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1562.32 1562.87 First. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1567.67 1568.14 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1570.24 1572.85 Okay, so I don't have any questions. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1573 1573.73 Sounds good. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1594.08 1598.39 okay, and to add some features, like we are talking about, the speech recognition and all. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1585.75 1594.08 maybe I can uh try to help you to get some uh the technical uh the companies to help you for uh make a design uh slim, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1575.09 1585.75 So for anybody need uh any help, for time being, on this uh subjects, okay, so please come back to me, and uh Christine IS1008b H02 FIE038 1581.19 1581.45 Oh IS1008b H02 FIE038 1600.15 1606.41 Should we maybe make a decision about what features we actually want to include, 'cause we've thrown a lot of features onto the table, but IS1008b H00 MIO086 1603.76 1604.2 Yeah. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1607.72 1613.44 do we actually want to incorporate all of them, or have we missed anything? IS1008b H03 MIE085 1612.63 1613.06 Hmm. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1613.78 1617.65 Do you wanna go back and look at the closing slide, maybe that would provide some guidance? IS1008b H02 FIE038 1618.62 1618.91 Sure. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1633.91 1634.88 Doesn't really tell us. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1634.97 1638.2 So not really this one we are talk ab IS1008b H03 MIE085 1636.96 1638.09 Individual actions. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1637.75 1643.86 Well it says individual actions, it says user interf so I'm supposed to do the components concept, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1640.04 1640.13 Yep. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1644.33 1648.95 supposed to work on the user interface concept, and you're supposed to keep watching the trends. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1645.34 1645.65 Mm-hmm. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1649.78 1654.29 Um and specific instructions will be sent by our our coach. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1654.77 1663.5 I think we should do as many features as uh start with all of them right now and eliminate them later in the process, that's my suggestion. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1654.78 1655.33 I thought IS1008b H00 MIO086 1665.11 1668.05 Okay, that will be great. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1668.05 1671.19 And uh I'll send you the the minutes of meet IS1008b H01 FIE073 1670.06 1672.92 You can object if you want to IS1008b H02 FIE038 1672 1674.64 No, I I'm just thinking in terms of time, like if IS1008b H03 MIE085 1672 1677.65 She's objecting. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1683.97 1692.54 I mean, it takes a lot of time and effort for everyone to consider different features, um IS1008b H02 FIE038 1675.24 1677.3 Yes, now I'm objecting. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1677.3 1683.97 No, I mean, I was just thinking is it really practical to start designing something with features that we're just gonna end up throwing away? IS1008b H00 MIO086 1675.62 1675.82 Yeah. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1697.25 1702.76 maybe it's better to spend it on the f thinking more about features that we actually do want, but IS1008b H02 FIE038 1693.42 1697.25 and s if we spend that time and effort on features that we're not gonna use, IS1008b H03 MIE085 1702.53 1704.58 Oh th we s we still have IS1008b H01 FIE073 1703.01 1706.98 I think we should take that as an action item for after the meeting, 'cause w our meeting time has run out. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1706.98 1711.82 Somebody else has go to use this room, and, you know, we can't hang out here and talk about this, so IS1008b H02 FIE038 1703.05 1703.87 I guess IS1008b H03 MIE085 1705.82 1706.7 Yeah. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1706.7 1707.4 Right. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1707.22 1707.68 Sure. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1708.8 1709.05 Yeah. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1710.48 1710.74 Yeah. IS1008b H02 FIE038 1710.74 1711.2 Sure. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1712.03 1717.38 Okay, what we'll do is now we'll take for lunch break, okay, then uh we can discuss furthermore, IS1008b H00 MIO086 1717.38 1721.07 okay, with our areas, and uh then we will come back again in the in the next meeting. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1721.81 1730.07 So thanks for coming and uh I'll send you minutes of meeting, and uh please put your all information in the sharing folder so everybody can share the information. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1731.26 1731.74 Okay? IS1008b H02 FIE038 1731.53 1731.9 Okay. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1732.44 1733.69 So let's go for lunch then. IS1008b H01 FIE073 1734.98 1735.94 Thank you very much. IS1008b H03 MIE085 1735.07 1736.11 Agreed. IS1008b H00 MIO086 1735.45 1735.98 Thank you. IS1008c H00 MIO086 25.78 30.78 Uh welcome back after lunch, I hope uh you had a good lunch IS1008c H00 MIO086 32.36 33.39 together. IS1008c H00 MIO086 35.7 40.44 For uh this meeting the main agenda okay uh to discuss about the IS1008c H00 MIO086 41.89 44.11 conceptual design meeting. IS1008c H00 MIO086 46.9 49.43 Okay and the agenda will be IS1008c H00 MIO086 52.72 62.01 the opening and uh that's uh the product manager or secretary that's me and uh the presentations from the Christine and uh IS1008c H00 MIO086 64.2 67.03 Agnes and from Mister Ed. IS1008c H00 MIO086 68.92 72.05 And finally in this meeting we have to decide IS1008c H00 MIO086 73.56 77.16 and we are to take a decision on the remote control IS1008c H00 MIO086 78.84 82.76 concept and uh the functional design IS1008c H00 MIO086 83.75 87.22 So we have forty minutes, I think it's uh IS1008c H00 MIO086 89.29 95.37 little bit uh low, but I I hope we can finish it up so I'll handle to the IS1008c H00 MIO086 97.17 103.12 the functional team, to the Christine, okay, to discuss about uh the components concept. IS1008c H02 FIE073 110.46 111.53 I'm number two. IS1008c H02 FIE073 105.61 110.46 So uh, if you could open the PowerPoint presentation. IS1008c H02 FIE073 104.21 105.61 Okay. IS1008c H00 MIO086 111.69 113.5 You're number two. IS1008c H00 MIO086 117.46 117.74 'Kay IS1008c H02 FIE073 121.5 123.65 Components design, there we go. IS1008c H02 FIE073 129.62 130.54 Yeah. IS1008c H02 FIE073 126.45 129.62 So uh can we put it in slide show mode? IS1008c H00 MIO086 131.01 131.74 The next one. IS1008c H02 FIE073 135.3 136.49 Thank you. IS1008c H02 FIE073 136.49 137.54 I'll take the mouse. IS1008c H02 FIE073 131.65 135.3 Right here, is that little that one, yes please. IS1008c H02 FIE073 139.5 141.43 So uh IS1008c H02 FIE073 175.74 180.95 so it could be in the television set, could be in the device, but somewhere you have to put the microphone IS1008c H02 FIE073 197.14 206.46 what hasn't and then we also um we wanted to evaluate some new materials and we contacted manufacturing for their input because, IS1008c H02 FIE073 190.53 197.14 Our method for going about this is we've looked at uh the histo hi historical record, what's worked IS1008c H02 FIE073 187.13 190.53 Um so the other w thing that we So. IS1008c H02 FIE073 213.85 218.48 so uh this is the approach that we took during our um our research. IS1008c H02 FIE073 167.31 175.74 but um maybe you do have it a a way it has to it has to hear the speaker and um, IS1008c H02 FIE073 158.1 161.9 In instance we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition IS1008c H02 FIE073 206.46 213.85 course, we m might come up and choose the material that then manufacturing didn't have the technologies or capabilities to offer us IS1008c H02 FIE073 180.95 187.13 um and a w a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it's gets lost. IS1008c H02 FIE073 143.91 158.1 we were looking he specifically at the components uh the following components, uh the case, the power supply, uh the means of communications with the television set. IS1008c H02 FIE073 161.9 167.31 you have to have microphone well no you don't actually I haven't have to have microphone in the device IS1008c H01 FIE038 174.58 174.69 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 242.44 245.26 so then we were thinking about um rubber IS1008c H02 FIE073 233.16 242.44 but um that uh doesn't seem to b be one of the choic non-option we can uh we can really seriously explore IS1008c H02 FIE073 219.89 229.35 So um for the case, um we told we were making a specifica specific assumption that it would be curved in design. IS1008c H02 FIE073 229.35 233.16 Course, you know, I wanted it to be expandable and shrinkable IS1008c H02 FIE073 245.26 255.56 but um unfortunately that's been eliminated because of the heat uh factor and th um there might be some problems with the m uh how it's IS1008c H02 FIE073 256.82 258.7 uh goes with the board. IS1008c H02 FIE073 276.61 281.54 the m people in manufacturing said that you couldn't make d curved cases out of titanium IS1008c H02 FIE073 281.54 291.2 although how Apple did it with th PowerBook I'm not su quite sure but uh nevertheless um they've eliminated all of our options except wood. IS1008c H02 FIE073 259.55 266.87 Uh and uh then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it's brittle it gets brittle after a while, IS1008c H02 FIE073 266.87 276.61 so um we still had titanium and and wood available, but um unfortunately uh uh titanium's also been eliminated uh IS1008c H01 FIE038 291.71 297.37 At least it's environmentally friendly. IS1008c H02 FIE073 295.08 299 And a as she said, it's an environmentally friendly uh material, IS1008c H02 FIE073 318.31 328.48 And um then there was the regular which I regret that I've forgotten exactly why I'm eliminating that one. IS1008c H02 FIE073 311.51 318.31 but uh these simple chips, but that's only works for the bu you don't get very much um intelligence with this simple one. IS1008c H02 FIE073 291.89 295.08 So, this is our finding. IS1008c H02 FIE073 338.45 342.52 which w 'member the beam was that was an important component of finding the right chip. IS1008c H02 FIE073 305.98 311.51 So then there's this other matter of the chips and um well we could use a simple design on the board, IS1008c H02 FIE073 299 305.98 so we're we're currently uh proposing, uh we'll get to all my personal preferences in just a second. IS1008c H02 FIE073 328.48 332.91 Uh the other option was this advanced chip on print IS1008c H02 FIE073 332.91 338.45 and uh we liked th we we found that it it includes this infrared sender IS1008c H02 FIE073 354.58 362.88 so uh we we uh now jumping right to our personal preferences um I I'd really think we should, IS1008c H02 FIE073 384.26 388.46 and then they could submit their orders, kinda like you submit a custom car order, you know IS1008c H02 FIE073 343.08 354.58 And uh manufacturing has told us that they've um uh recently developed a uh a sensor and a speaker that would uh be integrated into this advanced chip on print IS1008c H02 FIE073 379.79 384.26 they could do sort of a this um three-dimensional design on the internet, IS1008c H02 FIE073 362.88 368.86 you know, use some of uh some really exotic woods, like um, you know uh IS1008c H02 FIE073 394.33 402.6 and then I uh think we should go with the solar cells as well as the um microphone and speaker on the advanced chip. IS1008c H02 FIE073 402.6 414.13 So this is the findings of our research and my recommendations um for the new remote control w um would be to have um have it be made out of wood. IS1008c H02 FIE073 368.86 374.49 well you guys come from tropical countries so you can kinda think of some trees and some nice woods. IS1008c H02 FIE073 374.49 379.79 I think that people will might really want to design their own cases, you see IS1008c H02 FIE073 414.13 415.73 Do you have any problems with that? IS1008c H02 FIE073 388.46 394.33 and you can choose the colour and the size of the wheels and the colours of the leather and things like that IS1008c H00 MIO086 415.73 418.27 Can you go back uh one slide? IS1008c H02 FIE073 421.36 422.72 Let's go back up here. IS1008c H02 FIE073 419.28 421.36 I'm not sure, how do I Oh, I know, let's see. IS1008c H01 FIE038 421.29 422.54 Thank you. IS1008c H01 FIE038 422.54 422.76 Yeah. IS1008c H00 MIO086 422.84 429.72 Yes, uh question, uh, what's mean exactly, advanced chip on print? IS1008c H00 MIO086 429.72 430.71 What's the meaning of that? IS1008c H02 FIE073 431 440.56 I think it's um um a multiple uh chip design um and it's uh maybe printed on to the circuit board. IS1008c H00 MIO086 441.64 441.97 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 442.13 446.88 Uh I could find out more about that uh before the next fi next meeting. IS1008c H00 MIO086 444.49 450.49 Yeah, is it means it's on the yeah is it on a micro-proc micro-processor based or uh IS1008c H02 FIE073 452.72 455.27 I don't know, but I'll find out more at our next meeting. IS1008c H00 MIO086 454.87 459.7 Okay, tha that would be great, so if you find out from the technology background, okay, so that would be good. IS1008c H02 FIE073 459.89 460.5 Sounds good. IS1008c H01 FIE038 461.26 464.18 Why was the plastic eliminated as a possible material? IS1008c H02 FIE073 463.94 466.4 Because um it gets brittle, IS1008c H02 FIE073 467.48 468.54 cracks IS1008c H01 FIE038 468.67 469.02 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 471.34 471.77 Um IS1008c H02 FIE073 473.15 479.93 We want we expect these um uh these remote controls to be around for several hundred years. IS1008c H02 FIE073 481 481.68 So. IS1008c H02 FIE073 481.68 490.14 Good ex Good expression. IS1008c H01 FIE038 482.46 482.9 Whic IS1008c H03 MIE085 482.87 488.33 Wow, good expression. IS1008c H03 MIE085 488.33 491.47 Well after us. IS1008c H01 FIE038 484.69 486.26 Which IS1008c H02 FIE073 492.16 496.32 I don't know, speak for yourself, I'm planning to be around for a while. IS1008c H01 FIE038 493.68 495.23 Although I think IS1008c H01 FIE038 496.92 501.61 I think with wood though you'd run into the same types of problems, wouldn't you, I mean it chips, IS1008c H01 FIE038 501.61 508.07 it if you drop it, uh it's I'm not su IS1008c H00 MIO086 506.64 510.54 So so you're not convinced about the the wood, yes. IS1008c H03 MIE085 508.2 511.73 Actually, I'm ready to sell it. IS1008c H03 MIE085 511.73 512.72 I'm ready to sell it. IS1008c H02 FIE073 508.69 511.45 you're what? IS1008c H01 FIE038 511.74 517.49 I think if you re if you use really good quality wood, then it might work, but you can't just use IS1008c H02 FIE073 512.69 514.09 You think? IS1008c H02 FIE073 515.3 520.02 And you could you could sell oils with it, to take care of it. IS1008c H03 MIE085 520.97 524.36 extremely hard wood, but there are some very pretty woods out there. IS1008c H03 MIE085 515.75 520.97 No y no no no, the o the only w the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard, IS1008c H01 FIE038 521.12 522.58 Yeah, exactly, yeah. IS1008c H02 FIE073 523.59 526.9 Well I'm glad you IS1008c H03 MIE085 526.36 527.99 That's actually very innovative idea. IS1008c H02 FIE073 529.86 534.99 Sorr having a hard time keeping wi control over my face. IS1008c H02 FIE073 528.34 529.86 Okay, good. IS1008c H03 MIE085 535.69 541.89 Well, it's actually a very innovative n different idea that uh you know you can choose your colour of wood, your type of wood. IS1008c H02 FIE073 541.7 542.54 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 542.94 543.51 The stain. IS1008c H03 MIE085 543.2 551.58 I mean it's each person is gonna have their own personalised, individualised speech recognition remote control in wood, that's not on the market. IS1008c H02 FIE073 548.26 548.53 Mm. IS1008c H00 MIO086 552.41 557.88 Yeah, so it it's looks good the the design the functional design uh, what about yo you? IS1008c H01 FIE038 558.72 564.08 Um, in terms of comments on this or in terms of my own IS1008c H00 MIO086 562.29 566.57 Yes, in t yes, in term in terms of comments first IS1008c H03 MIE085 562.47 567.44 In turns of wow. IS1008c H02 FIE073 567.62 572.97 She works in the cubicle next to me so she's uh she was already a little bit prepared for this. IS1008c H02 FIE073 572.97 575.73 Luckily Ed was not. IS1008c H01 FIE038 571.37 572.55 Y yeah. IS1008c H03 MIE085 574.9 577.84 Wood? IS1008c H01 FIE038 577.96 586.98 I think we can get the quality materials then it shouldn't influence the design principles too much, which you'll see with my presentation. IS1008c H01 FIE038 597.5 603.71 So, have to see how kid-friendly it is and and all that, but IS1008c H01 FIE038 586.98 597.5 One thing we'd have to check though is what the users whether how quickly the novelty wears off of having uh Yeah, for example. IS1008c H02 FIE073 593.37 598.03 Yeah, you wouldn't wanna have to have splinters in your hand while you're using your IS1008c H02 FIE073 592.25 593.37 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 602.63 608.86 It's really good if your dog gets ahold of it, they can use it for teething. IS1008c H03 MIE085 610.38 614.15 They do that anyway with the rubber and plastic, so, and chew 'em up. IS1008c H02 FIE073 612.51 615.23 Yeah, they do it with other materials as well, yeah. IS1008c H03 MIE085 615.35 615.89 And chew 'em up. IS1008c H00 MIO086 616.86 619.87 Okay then, uh, let's move to Agnes. IS1008c H01 FIE038 619.64 619.84 Sure. IS1008c H02 FIE073 622.86 623.48 Oh, I'm sorry. IS1008c H00 MIO086 630.08 631.36 S you're IS1008c H00 MIO086 638.9 640.11 You are in participant three. IS1008c H01 FIE038 639.42 640.42 One point three, yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 642.37 642.95 Uh, yeah. IS1008c H00 MIO086 643.62 643.84 This one? IS1008c H01 FIE038 644.22 645 I think so, yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 656.28 658.33 um, which basically shows IS1008c H01 FIE038 658.33 668.25 sort of I took the ideas that we were talking about last time um and tried to put that into the remote control so the things that y you can actually see on it are the on off switch, IS1008c H01 FIE038 649.8 656.28 'cause I'm actually gonna draw you the layout on the board so if you want to just go straight to the second slide, IS1008c H01 FIE038 687.85 691.7 so if someone has larger hands, you have a wider remote control. IS1008c H01 FIE038 646.96 648.26 Yeah, that's the one. IS1008c H01 FIE038 648.26 649.8 So, it's a very short presentation IS1008c H01 FIE038 675.37 681.15 so it's slightly more ergonomic and comfortable to hold than the r standard very straight remote controls. IS1008c H01 FIE038 668.25 675.37 volume and channel control, the menu access button, ergonomic shape, which I completely agree with Christine's idea to have it sort of molded IS1008c H01 FIE038 681.15 687.85 And actually the other thing with the wood if we take your customising idea, is that people can actually do sort of quasi-measurements on their hand size, IS1008c H02 FIE073 688.16 692.83 Right, my hand is uh different size than yours for example. IS1008c H01 FIE038 693.44 697.28 So, that's actually a really good idea for customi customisability. IS1008c H01 FIE038 737.44 741.1 So, in terms of what this thing would actually look like IS1008c H01 FIE038 697.28 703.36 Um, one thing I thought might be kind of interesting is to put a flip screen on it, just like you have on flip phones IS1008c H01 FIE038 720.38 727.69 so I thought maybe we could put a little battery life-light on it that kind of goes dimmer and dimmer and dimmer as your battery is starts to die. IS1008c H01 FIE038 703.36 709.16 so that you don't have this case where someone sits on the remote control or accidentally puts their hand on it, IS1008c H01 FIE038 716.75 720.38 And also um you had issues with the batteries running out IS1008c H01 FIE038 709.16 716.75 especially if you have little kids around, they're not pressing the buttons while you're trying to watch a T. V. show and accidentally change the channel or turn it off. IS1008c H01 FIE038 727.69 737.44 And in terms of invisible features, audio and um tactile feedback on button presses and, like you said, speech recognition. IS1008c H02 FIE073 715.04 715.98 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 732.99 733.66 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 743.53 748.24 Despite working in interface design, I'm not the greatest artist in the world, so you'll have to forgive me. IS1008c H01 FIE038 761.18 765.61 And then you have sort of one of those toggle displays for, oops, IS1008c H01 FIE038 750.93 756.76 You'd have something like this with an on-off switch fairly big, sort of in the corner and by itself IS1008c H01 FIE038 756.76 761.18 so you don't accidentally turn your T. V. off while you're trying to manoeuvre other buttons. IS1008c H01 FIE038 766.8 771.44 channels and volume, sort of for surfing channels and then volume, IS1008c H01 FIE038 771.44 777.8 so the volume would be the up and down, 'cause volume goes up and down and then channels left to right. IS1008c H01 FIE038 777.8 781.73 And then here you'd have your sort of standard, telephonish IS1008c H01 FIE038 782.85 783.61 number pad. IS1008c H01 FIE038 797.08 804.4 So that if the user doesn't want to use their voice, they can just turn it off and you don't have the remote control accidentally changing things on you. IS1008c H01 FIE038 786.37 797.08 And then on one side you would have an access to the menu on your T. V. and on the other side a way to turn off the voice control. IS1008c H02 FIE073 798.09 798.52 Mm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 801.19 801.79 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 805.68 810.12 Um, so again you can have a little L. C. D. light somewhere, the flip IS1008c H01 FIE038 811.33 814.14 thing and Have I forgotten anything? IS1008c H01 FIE038 822.71 827.75 is keep it simple, not have too many buttons, not have too many functionalities thrown into it. IS1008c H01 FIE038 827.75 837.46 Think the design can pretty much carry over to everything, although with the wood the flip screen might have to do something slightly different. IS1008c H01 FIE038 817.41 822.71 So, as you can see, it's a very very simple design, which is one of the things I really wanted to keep, IS1008c H01 FIE038 816.03 817.41 I don't think so. IS1008c H03 MIE085 817.52 818.45 No. IS1008c H02 FIE073 836.6 837.32 A hinge. IS1008c H02 FIE073 838.26 840.3 Be like a copper hinge or you know. IS1008c H01 FIE038 846.76 849.33 you don't want it to start getting too heavy. IS1008c H01 FIE038 859.99 865.69 you can make this thing fairly small or fairly o large, depending on personal preferences. IS1008c H01 FIE038 854.25 859.99 As you can see, there's still lots of space on the actual remote control and if you do it customisably, IS1008c H01 FIE038 839.77 840.48 Yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 842.41 846.76 'cause depending on how much the the flip screen will add to the weight of the remote control IS1008c H01 FIE038 849.33 854.25 But that's the general layout with the general functionalities, if we come up with something else. IS1008c H01 FIE038 840.48 842.41 But you also have to d start watching out for the weight IS1008c H02 FIE073 845.48 846.03 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 848.51 848.67 Mm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 863.48 865.18 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. IS1008c H03 MIE085 866.73 866.88 Hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 874.11 876.34 Um the centering of the key pad and IS1008c H01 FIE038 867.38 874.11 So, that's pretty much all I had to say, I mean, everything else in terms of design issues. IS1008c H01 FIE038 877.65 886.82 the channel is just depending on where your thumb is and you tend to use the the volume control and uh the browsing more than the actual number pad IS1008c H01 FIE038 891.34 893.95 the number pad a little bit lower 'cause it's used less frequently. IS1008c H01 FIE038 886.82 891.34 so that would be sort of in direct line of where your thumb goes when you are holding the remote control IS1008c H02 FIE073 889.91 890.46 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 893.01 893.18 Mm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 894.01 894.62 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 895.14 901.82 So once we decide exactly what we want, then we can figure out the exact positioning, but more or less I think it should go along those lines. IS1008c H00 MIO086 904.66 908.24 So what's your, uh, the comments or uh IS1008c H00 MIO086 909.14 909.23 s IS1008c H03 MIE085 909.67 910.49 Simple design. IS1008c H03 MIE085 911.95 912.96 It's what consumers want. IS1008c H00 MIO086 913.25 913.58 Okay IS1008c H03 MIE085 914.68 919.29 It's almost like, Houston, we have a product here. IS1008c H03 MIE085 919.29 921.09 Problem is obviously gonna be cost. IS1008c H01 FIE038 921.51 921.79 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H03 MIE085 923.15 931.79 Okay, I also have a f very simple presentation, because for the marketing point you have to see what the consumers want. IS1008c H00 MIO086 928.82 929.16 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H00 MIO086 930.62 930.8 Yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 932.4 932.54 Yeah. IS1008c H03 MIE085 933.31 936.15 I also have uh copied a IS1008c H03 MIE085 937.95 938.88 different type of remote. IS1008c H03 MIE085 941.01 942.8 If you can find me, where I'm at. IS1008c H03 MIE085 946.81 947.5 trend watch. IS1008c H03 MIE085 944.3 946.81 There should only be one in here. IS1008c H02 FIE073 953.05 953.6 Sure. IS1008c H03 MIE085 954.84 957.22 It's being modified. IS1008c H03 MIE085 957.22 958.33 They're stealing our product. IS1008c H03 MIE085 959.9 967.55 We've been giving simple questionnaires in different areas because th obviously we have to see what the com consumers are looking for today IS1008c H03 MIE085 967.55 970.96 'cause uh trends change very very quickly. IS1008c H03 MIE085 977.84 980.07 Uh they already erased the rest of mine, huh. IS1008c H03 MIE085 970.96 977.84 In six months maybe this idea is already gone out the window, so it's gonna be a question how fast we can act. IS1008c H02 FIE073 980.77 982.67 No, f go to findings. IS1008c H01 FIE038 981.38 981.61 No, no. IS1008c H03 MIE085 982.15 983.39 No no, no no. IS1008c H03 MIE085 995.43 1000.58 fancy and feel-good, that's what we've been looking for, something that feels good in the hand, that's easy to use. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1005.47 1009.28 they all do the same thing, we have to have something completely different. IS1008c H03 MIE085 987.02 989.23 Uh the market trend. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1009.28 1009.99 Okay? IS1008c H03 MIE085 989.23 995.43 This is what we know from the last uh from the questionnaires from the the all the p surveys we've done, IS1008c H03 MIE085 985.12 987.02 'Cause I had another comment there. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1000.58 1005.47 Looking for next generation of innovation, because all the remotes out there now, they're all very similar, IS1008c H03 MIE085 1009.99 1017.99 Easy to use, has always has become has become another major interest that uh, with the whiteboard we can see that it's a remote that's easy to use. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1040.63 1047.08 The second one, there is about uh forty-five thousand different buttons on it, which makes it fairly hard to read, uh very hard to use. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1035.33 1040.63 The second two, you can see the last one is a very easy simple design. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1019.42 1025.31 And I think this is another thing that's interesting is the consumers actually willing to pay the price for exciting tel technology. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1047.08 1050.27 The first one, I see that they put in a display. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1025.31 1035.33 So even if we have a product that may be more expensive, if it comes out right, if they look it looks and feels good and has technology. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1051.42 1056.05 Now there's something else uh with the little flip-up, now we're adding all kinds of things in, but with the little flip-up IS1008c H03 MIE085 1056.05 1060.01 if you have a little display on the flip-up that when you close it everything is locked. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1060.01 1066.01 Maybe the display also makes it easier to use, because sometimes when you're looking for buttons, maybe if you see a display IS1008c H01 FIE038 1055.25 1055.55 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1059.58 1059.88 Yeah. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1066.83 1073.67 Context-sensitive instructions, depending on what the tel what mode the T. V. or the D. V. D. or something else is in. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1069.25 1069.52 Right. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1069.45 1070.01 Okay IS1008c H03 MIE085 1076.29 1079.54 Now you have it now you have one with the very simple also. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1072.94 1076.29 Because I've seen mostly the standard ones, yeah. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1079.54 1083.82 The idea is simple, but with a display, so you can see what you're doing. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1083.82 1086.52 So maybe if we can incorporate the easiness of use, IS1008c H01 FIE038 1073.66 1077.99 Especially you might need something like that for training the speech recognition and yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1081.76 1082.08 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1087.35 1087.64 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1088 1092.81 trendy, fancy, feels good, IS1008c H03 MIE085 1093.85 1096.07 uh with a display, IS1008c H03 MIE085 1097.25 1100.75 wood, designer wood, designer colours, we might've IS1008c H02 FIE073 1116.52 1119.58 and then they would squeeze it, and it would take the shape of their hand. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1100.51 1116.52 maybe what you could do is when somebody orders the device id you could send them like um a uh uh b some sort of a foam rubber um ball, IS1008c H02 FIE073 1100.36 1100.51 You know IS1008c H01 FIE038 1115.21 1116.66 Oh yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1119.48 1123.11 Yeah, so it's really molded to to your specific IS1008c H02 FIE073 1120.96 1129.11 To t an and then you would know like um what the geometry of their hands would be and uh IS1008c H03 MIE085 1122.54 1122.74 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1131.99 1135.65 Resistance resistance, right. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1129.33 1131.99 How hard they squeeze? IS1008c H02 FIE073 1130.42 1133.99 Yes you'd know what kind of wood to get. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1136.53 1143.42 But th for that you'd also have to do sort of an average across families and things like that if unless everyone has their own personal remote. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1139.54 1142.67 That's right, that's right, you wouldn't wanna go too far down that. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1143.75 1149.02 Oh that that actually would uh increase the um the revenues we could expect, yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1146.63 1149.39 The sales, yeah. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1147.58 1147.88 The IS1008c H00 MIO086 1148.26 1148.41 Yeah. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1150.6 1151.04 I hope so. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1151.28 1159.24 No, but incorporating the three uh obviously it'd be something totally new on the market, totally different and from IS1008c H01 FIE038 1155.94 1156.25 Yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1158.72 1164.27 Well, already the customisability is a really good sort of new gimmick. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1163.32 1169.24 Although, what it was it uh it was uh Nokia that came out with this changeable colours. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1169.24 1176.82 Right, you take it apart, and put on another face, take it off and put on another face and then they sold millions, millions. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1169.03 1170.88 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1169.38 1169.65 Yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1170.82 1171.1 Yeah. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1172.1 1173.23 Right, mm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1173.49 1175.93 And that took off, yeah, yeah. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1179.25 1183.95 So say with the f with the findings, with the research, easy to use something totally new. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1183.95 1186.56 We have to come up with something totally new that is not on the market. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1177.95 1179.25 So. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1183.83 1184.13 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1186.72 1194.07 We'd also have to wor um consider that uh who we were gonna get to make these custom cases in terms of manufacturing processes IS1008c H02 FIE073 1194.07 1198.81 we might wanna um learn about um labour laws. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1209.45 1222.15 So actually you could turn it y turn around and say that you're uh par the reason the cost is high for the device is because um you're paying a a working wage to the person who made the device. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1200 1209.45 You know in different countries and stuff wher so we can do it cheap, but you don't wanna exploit uh labour in um third world countries. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1208.96 1209.06 Yeah. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1222.79 1223.07 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1229.83 1236.68 countries like India or China or Malaysia, so you can go a better features and better price and you can sell more. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1223.46 1229.83 Yeah, but we can get a production in, uh, countries like, uh, India yes, yes, IS1008c H02 FIE073 1228.11 1229.28 Cost of living is low. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1237.71 1238.11 So IS1008c H02 FIE073 1241.48 1248.97 Good, well th that'd be something that manufacturing would have to um explore more and to where Mm-hmm. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1244.59 1245.88 Yeah, yeah, so IS1008c H01 FIE038 1246.74 1247.05 Mm yeah. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1246.98 1247.33 Yes. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1246.98 1249.45 Where w Where it would be manufactured is is IS1008c H00 MIO086 1250.44 1250.59 So IS1008c H03 MIE085 1251.82 1252.97 We're here to design, IS1008c H03 MIE085 1250.83 1251.82 another step. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1251.64 1252.18 Yeah, so IS1008c H02 FIE073 1251.75 1251.93 Yeah. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1252.96 1260.11 Yes uh, but uh that that we can that we can talk about the production later, okay, depends on the the quantity, okay. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1260.11 1267.53 So we don't need to have our own uh fabric factory or something, so we can have a tie-up with who the do the fabric, okay, IS1008c H00 MIO086 1267.53 1275.36 for the different uh electronics items, then we can have a business tie-up and to get to cut the cost, okay, to sell more. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1254.2 1257.23 come up with a nice product. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1255.7 1255.96 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1259.67 1260.15 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1276.72 1283.5 So, but uh le let's decide first about the components concept and uh interface concept, IS1008c H00 MIO086 1283.5 1288.58 okay, if is acceptable for both of you, what uh Ed was talking. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1290.68 1296.86 And your design whether you want with the display or without display or just a simple, so IS1008c H01 FIE038 1293.83 1294.14 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1300.81 1309.05 but we need to really think about how useful it's gonna be because theoretically with the T. V. you already have a big display right in front of you. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1298.45 1300.81 I think it depends, I mean I think it's a good idea IS1008c H00 MIO086 1309.21 1309.31 Yeah. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1309.4 1309.83 Hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1310.24 1316.28 So, if we're trying to keep costs down, then maybe sacrificing the display IS1008c H02 FIE073 1316.84 1317.26 Hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1318.18 1319.34 is a way to go. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1325.7 1330.48 'cause if it's only used for one little thing, then putting in a big display case or a big display that's IS1008c H01 FIE038 1319.34 1325.7 I mean it depends on how much putting a display costs and what it would be used for very specifically what it would be used for, IS1008c H02 FIE073 1322.24 1322.43 Hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1325.01 1325.73 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1331.78 1341.01 probably expensive just to do the training on the chip for the speech recognition or whatever, may not be the most cost-efficient way to go, but IS1008c H01 FIE038 1342.36 1344.16 that's just sort of speculation, I mean. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1346.04 1351.98 Do you he liked the display in one of the concepts that you showed, um, IS1008c H02 FIE073 1345.12 1346.04 What do you think Ed? IS1008c H02 FIE073 1351.98 1357.57 do you know how much it costs, um, to to add a little display like this uh? IS1008c H03 MIE085 1357.27 1358.18 No. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1358.18 1363.44 No no p spec It's 'cause we have to find out cost on it. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1359.04 1361.04 Do you wanna take an action item to go find out? IS1008c H02 FIE073 1363.85 1364.3 Okay. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1365.82 1368.18 Sorry about that. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1368.35 1371.56 I'm here for the pushing it after it's made. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1366.66 1368.35 Um, no that's no problem. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1371.56 1374.14 I will market it. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1374.14 1376.11 Once we get a price on it then we can market it. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1371.08 1371.44 Yes. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1379.32 1383.52 So the the advanced chip on print is what um what we've IS1008c H02 FIE073 1384.76 1391.57 we've deci we've determined and the uh engineering industrial design is the recommendation IS1008c H02 FIE073 1391.57 1399.09 and um I think we've kinda come to some agreement regarding um this concept of a wooden case. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1399.29 1399.57 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1401.19 1402.72 A customisable and IS1008c H03 MIE085 1402.83 1405.77 Nice beautiful mahogany red wooden case. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1404.26 1405.97 What about the buttons, would IS1008c H01 FIE038 1406.71 1408.41 Would the buttons be wood too, or IS1008c H02 FIE073 1409.2 1416.04 Uh I don't think so, no, I think they could be rubber like they are now, so you have that tactile experience of IS1008c H00 MIO086 1410.13 1410.89 I don't think so. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1412.29 1412.75 Yes. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1413.29 1413.62 Yes. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1414.19 1415.19 Don't looks nice uh. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1429.76 1430.57 Okay. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1417.59 1420.07 Yeah, so uh what we'll do is, uh IS1008c H00 MIO086 1420.07 1427.61 we will stick with the the simple design for time being until uh th Ed find outs about the how much it's cost to the extra IS1008c H00 MIO086 1427.61 1429.76 in case we go for the display. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1438.88 1439.26 Okay? IS1008c H00 MIO086 1430.57 1438.88 So maybe what you can do is uh, both of you, you can come up with the the prototype, okay, the model. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1429.3 1429.56 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1438.03 1438.37 Okay. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1442.61 1442.88 Sure. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1450.58 1453.38 So um are we done with this meeting? IS1008c H00 MIO086 1460.5 1466.85 Then they can show you how it looks like, and then we can uh submit to the I will submit to the management. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1466.85 1467.26 Okay? IS1008c H00 MIO086 1455 1460.5 Yeah, I hope, if is it okay if uh they will come up with the prototype design, okay. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1473.76 1477.01 An and the marketing strategy, that's very important, okay. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1468.49 1473.76 Then meantime you can come up with the price, how much it's cost as extra for uh the display. IS1008c H02 FIE073 1473.28 1474.59 And a marketing strategy. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1480.26 1483.78 Fired. IS1008c H03 MIE085 1474.73 1480.26 And marketing strategy, thank you. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1478 1478.27 Yes. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1480.12 1480.68 How much you can IS1008c H00 MIO086 1481.32 1483.2 how mu how much how much you can sell extra. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1484.32 1486.26 Of course you'll make money too, so it IS1008c H00 MIO086 1487.26 1489.89 it's not only pay-out, you make money too, your commission. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1492.64 1494.05 Okay, so, any questions? IS1008c H01 FIE038 1496.03 1496.16 No. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1497.17 1504.96 So, by next meeting, so, please come up with the the prototype, okay, then uh, then we can proceed from there. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1505.98 1507.1 Okay. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1507.1 1507.29 Mm-hmm. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1514.82 1515.35 Okay? IS1008c H00 MIO086 1506.74 1507.84 It's okay? IS1008c H00 MIO086 1507.84 1514.82 So thanks for all your uh efforts and coming for the meeting again, and see you soon then. IS1008c H00 MIO086 1515.35 1515.6 Thank you. IS1008c H01 FIE038 1514.37 1514.62 Okay. IS1008d H01 FIE073 30.61 31.95 I'm sorry to be late. IS1008d H00 MIO086 32.96 35.2 Welcome back everybody. IS1008d H00 MIO086 30.73 32.96 Welcome back. IS1008d H02 FIE038 36.86 37.03 Yeah. IS1008d H02 FIE038 38.19 39.28 Thanks. IS1008d H00 MIO086 41.51 46.05 So this meeting agenda will be the detailed design meeting. IS1008d H00 MIO086 48 48.81 And uh IS1008d H00 MIO086 50.79 59.87 opening and uh P. M. s of the meet minutes, uh prototype presentation from uh Christine and uh Agnes. IS1008d H01 FIE073 60.46 61.95 Agnes, yes. IS1008d H00 MIO086 61.56 63.58 Yes and uh evaluation criteria. IS1008d H00 MIO086 72.88 84.32 So we have forty minutes to discuss and uh finalise and close the product and project and to move further, okay, so IS1008d H00 MIO086 71.55 72.88 Then uh closing. IS1008d H00 MIO086 65.09 71.55 The finance, it's uh from my side, from the management, and uh production evaluation. IS1008d H00 MIO086 88.92 94.12 Okay, let's talk about uh maybe first uh for the prototype. IS1008d H02 FIE038 95.81 96.57 Mm, okay. IS1008d H00 MIO086 96.69 97.63 So I handle to IS1008d H02 FIE038 99.25 106.57 I've done a presentation, but it pretty much covers work that we've both done, so if I'm missing anything, Christine can just correct me. IS1008d H00 MIO086 105 106.56 So shall I go to sorry. IS1008d H01 FIE073 105.78 109.71 Uh thank you, so you did a PowerPoint presentation, good for you. IS1008d H00 MIO086 107.43 107.6 Yep. IS1008d H00 MIO086 108.15 108.49 S IS1008d H00 MIO086 109.31 111.91 Okay, let's go to A. M. I. . IS1008d H02 FIE038 113.89 117.11 It's not the biggest PowerPoint presentation in the world, but IS1008d H00 MIO086 118.38 119.93 So in two or three or IS1008d H02 FIE038 119.88 120.06 Three. IS1008d H02 FIE038 126.15 127.18 Um. IS1008d H02 FIE038 128.54 131.09 No it's think it's the last one. IS1008d H03 MIE085 128.69 129.09 Probably. IS1008d H03 MIE085 130.71 133.05 Technical pa I would think. IS1008d H02 FIE038 141.22 143.28 Um okay, can I have the mouse? IS1008d H02 FIE038 137.04 141.22 It is named appropriately, you just couldn't see the name. IS1008d H02 FIE038 132.69 137.04 No, then this is the la yeah, that one, final design. IS1008d H03 MIE085 134.69 134.91 Ha. IS1008d H00 MIO086 136.76 136.9 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 142.79 143.1 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 145.22 145.66 Thanks. IS1008d H02 FIE038 147.84 149.02 Alright, so IS1008d H02 FIE038 151.38 158.01 from when we were discussing specifying the case in the last meeting, we decided that we wanted an ergonomic shape, IS1008d H02 FIE038 158.01 164.8 the material that we chose was wood, and uh the colour would be customisable, 'cause you can stain the wood whatever colour. IS1008d H02 FIE038 178.95 182.51 if we figure out it's too expensive, well then you just take it off. IS1008d H02 FIE038 174.42 178.95 and we've incorporated the L. C. D. screen on the flip panel as part of the design, IS1008d H02 FIE038 170.86 174.42 volume and channel control, menu control, voice recognition control IS1008d H02 FIE038 165.9 170.86 Um, so in terms of function, you have to be able to turn the T. V. on and off, IS1008d H02 FIE038 182.51 183.41 Um, so IS1008d H02 FIE038 184.43 186.96 to unveil our lovely product. IS1008d H02 FIE038 190.07 194.88 This is our remote control, with the flip panel as you can see. IS1008d H02 FIE038 201.35 203.88 Um, this is actually hard to do. IS1008d H02 FIE038 203.88 207.9 The yellow button you have is the on off button, so it's really big, hard to miss. IS1008d H02 FIE038 195.54 201.35 So if you lift up the panel, you can see the lovely yellow L. C. D. display. IS1008d H02 FIE038 218.3 220.36 The green are the channel changing. IS1008d H02 FIE038 215.12 218.3 So up volume up, down volume down. IS1008d H02 FIE038 208.39 215.12 You have the the red um triangles are the toggles for changing the volume. IS1008d H02 FIE038 220.51 223.87 S And it's one of those very light, very touchable displays. IS1008d H02 FIE038 224.43 234.83 And then you have the numeric pad in the dark blue at the bottom, and on the right-hand side you have the access to the menu on the T. V. IS1008d H02 FIE038 234.83 242.41 and on the left-hand side you have the the the ability to turn off the voice recognition. IS1008d H02 FIE038 242.41 245.65 So this is pretty much what we had on the white board the last time. IS1008d H00 MIO086 247.02 247.11 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H02 FIE038 249.77 249.93 So. IS1008d H01 FIE073 250.42 252.41 Um and uh I could IS1008d H02 FIE038 261.85 265.33 So that you can really make this a highly highly customisable remote control. IS1008d H02 FIE038 253.29 261.85 Additional feature on the back is that you can have your own customised backing and I suppose you could do the same thing on the flip case on the front. IS1008d H02 FIE038 251.43 253.29 Oh yes. IS1008d H01 FIE073 253.01 253.48 Yeah the d IS1008d H01 FIE073 266.27 273.04 We haven't um uh specified where the speaker or the microphone will be placed. IS1008d H01 FIE073 273.04 280.11 That depends on the uh s design of the circuit board inside and uh what room is left um IS1008d H02 FIE038 279.99 280.24 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 281.35 286.27 I think the microphone is on on the top, uh on the middle, the under the flip. IS1008d H01 FIE073 283.97 284.83 Yes, okay. IS1008d H01 FIE073 286.72 287.01 Uh-huh. IS1008d H00 MIO086 288.04 295.34 So that will be the safe, so p any the chip it's not on the chip because you need to have microphone to IS1008d H01 FIE073 294.87 297.14 No, I mean it depends on the design of the circuit board. IS1008d H00 MIO086 297.35 297.69 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 298.02 305.82 But it shouldn't be under the flip either, because you can have the remote control closed, but you still might want to activate it by voice. IS1008d H00 MIO086 303.87 305.18 Uh it's it's IS1008d H00 MIO086 305.91 312.61 Yeah, but uh uh my opinion I think it's better under the flip because whenever you want to uh the talk, IS1008d H00 MIO086 315.61 322.17 But if you put it on the on the flip, okay, then uh technical I don't think it's uh feasible IS1008d H00 MIO086 312.61 315.61 okay, so then you can speak then you can close it. IS1008d H00 MIO086 322.17 324.85 'cause most of the time you speak then it will be recognised. IS1008d H02 FIE038 331.32 336.94 I mean the whole point of the voice is that if the remote control is sitting there and I'm too lazy to reach over and pick it up IS1008d H02 FIE038 336.94 338.66 I can just use my voice. IS1008d H02 FIE038 324.72 328.43 But if you've already got the remote control in your hand you need to open the flip to use the voice, IS1008d H02 FIE038 328.43 331.32 why use the voice, why not just use your hand? IS1008d H01 FIE073 338.28 343.93 Maybe I've got my hand in the popcorn bowl and I'm holding my cup of Coca-Cola in the other hand. IS1008d H02 FIE038 344.6 344.71 Yeah. IS1008d H02 FIE038 344.71 348.38 And you don't wanna let go of either one. IS1008d H03 MIE085 345.49 347.02 I don't wanna say. IS1008d H03 MIE085 349.9 350.14 Yeah. IS1008d H03 MIE085 347.02 349.9 Louder. IS1008d H02 FIE038 350.13 352.93 I mean it doesn't have to be on the flip, it can be on the side somewhere. IS1008d H03 MIE085 352.21 353.25 Can also be on the side. IS1008d H00 MIO086 354.25 355.35 So That's good idea. IS1008d H00 MIO086 352.87 354.25 Yeah, the sides maybe is good. IS1008d H02 FIE038 353.49 353.9 Yeah. IS1008d H01 FIE073 354.97 355.41 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H02 FIE038 355.22 358.68 So, I mean I can pass this around if anyone wants to IS1008d H00 MIO086 357.78 358.8 So it's maybe good idea. IS1008d H00 MIO086 357.08 357.78 Yes. IS1008d H01 FIE073 359.32 362.48 Yeah, y better you pass it around with a napkin. IS1008d H03 MIE085 364.94 370.07 because y you can easily put a microphone on the side that would have no problem would haven't been not be damaged or anything IS1008d H03 MIE085 370.07 372.25 and it'd be accessible all the time to voice. IS1008d H03 MIE085 361.58 364.94 No IS1008d H02 FIE038 367.13 367.79 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 367.78 368.18 Yes. IS1008d H00 MIO086 370.33 370.89 Yeah. IS1008d H02 FIE038 372.45 373.45 Yeah, exactly. IS1008d H03 MIE085 375.9 376.01 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 376.54 377.51 So it's maybe good idea. IS1008d H00 MIO086 377.58 377.93 S s IS1008d H01 FIE073 378.42 379.24 It's um IS1008d H03 MIE085 379.99 381.15 Compliments to the artist. IS1008d H01 FIE073 381.28 382.23 It's um IS1008d H01 FIE073 383.19 386.09 You need to work on the weight a little bit. IS1008d H02 FIE038 385.74 388.22 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 388.22 394.35 And maybe the shape of the buttons, the little egg shapes aren't the most economical, but IS1008d H03 MIE085 385.82 386.81 Uh. IS1008d H00 MIO086 387.13 388.12 S IS1008d H00 MIO086 386.9 387.13 Okay. IS1008d H00 MIO086 388.15 391.09 I'm fine, I'm satisfi I'm satisfied. IS1008d H01 FIE073 391.44 394.27 We're glad you're satisfied. IS1008d H00 MIO086 393.11 398.58 Of course it's it's it's looks more heo heavy, but I think when it's completely maybe it's a less weight. IS1008d H02 FIE038 400.95 402.32 There's only so much you can do. IS1008d H02 FIE038 398.9 399.73 Yeah. IS1008d H02 FIE038 399.73 400.95 I mean this is plasticene. IS1008d H02 FIE038 402.32 404.69 We could have possibly made it a lot thinner as well. IS1008d H00 MIO086 401.06 401.43 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 405.31 406.38 But IS1008d H02 FIE038 407.55 411.35 And part of the thing is m a lot of people say that they don't like something that's too light IS1008d H02 FIE038 411.35 413.93 because they don't feel like they have enough control over it. IS1008d H02 FIE038 413.93 420.08 So I mean maybe this is excessively heavy, but I think it needs to have some weight, it needs to feel like you're still holding something. IS1008d H01 FIE073 413.84 414.22 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H00 MIO086 418.09 418.24 Yep. IS1008d H02 FIE038 422.07 426.89 So that's pretty much it for our presentation actually. IS1008d H00 MIO086 428.67 431.24 Okay, that's good, thank you very much. IS1008d H00 MIO086 426.64 428.67 That's your uh prototype model? IS1008d H00 MIO086 431.24 432.86 So any comments or uh IS1008d H02 FIE038 428.08 428.22 Yeah. IS1008d H03 MIE085 441 447.24 Now it goes into this next phase as the financial uh marketing uh IS1008d H03 MIE085 433.93 441 Well, the prototype is is very well within the design and ideas that we've we've talked about on the previous meetings. IS1008d H00 MIO086 440.9 440.99 Okay. IS1008d H00 MIO086 444.48 445.71 Yes, that uh IS1008d H00 MIO086 447.2 448.78 So I'll come back to the IS1008d H00 MIO086 469.72 474.7 I have some uh calculations which I made uh as for uh the budget. IS1008d H00 MIO086 463.71 469.72 So evaluation criteria, I think uh that will be good, so then let's come to the finance uh IS1008d H00 MIO086 476.39 483.57 So here you can uh look like uh the energy and uh dynamo and uh kinetic and solar cells. IS1008d H00 MIO086 484.79 491.23 Uh it's optional, somewhat optional and Ed wants the chip on print, that's what uh we were talking about that. IS1008d H00 MIO086 492.57 501.76 So then we have sample sensor and sample speaker, then uh we have the wood material, then special colour and push button. IS1008d H00 MIO086 502.87 508.51 So it's uh actually, our budget was uh twelve point five Euro, but uh it's coming to nine point nine five Euro, IS1008d H00 MIO086 508.51 513.53 so we are under uh below the budget, okay, so still we are saving some money. IS1008d H00 MIO086 516.3 517.65 I think it's a good figure. IS1008d H01 FIE073 521.1 522.94 Congratulations. IS1008d H01 FIE073 517.8 521.1 Yes, great I I'm surprised. IS1008d H00 MIO086 521.96 522.86 Than thank you. IS1008d H03 MIE085 522.92 527.44 Well we haven't come to mine yet, so we're gonna have a bit of difference of opinion, yes. IS1008d H01 FIE073 524.61 525.14 Oh, okay. IS1008d H01 FIE073 525.14 529.21 It's gonna cost a long way to c you know, cost a lot of money to market it, is it? IS1008d H00 MIO086 530.37 536.55 So maybe it's for some money we can utilise for our uh marketing, for the sales, okay, and uh IS1008d H03 MIE085 539.48 545.86 Well, it just depends on if we're gonna add a o on this pr IS1008d H03 MIE085 547.55 552.04 provisionary cost analysis, we do not have a L. C. display. IS1008d H03 MIE085 552.04 554.57 L. C. display is gonna be very expensive, it's gonna be IS1008d H02 FIE038 556.01 557.38 It's number thirty. IS1008d H02 FIE038 554.13 556.01 No we do, but it's not filled in. IS1008d H02 FIE038 557.38 559.65 Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right, sorry, yes. IS1008d H03 MIE085 556.01 556.73 It's not it doesn't say. IS1008d H03 MIE085 556.73 563.1 We don't have the price up there, okay, so if we add approximately two to three Euro per IS1008d H00 MIO086 557.01 558.05 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 558.05 558.28 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 556.08 557.01 It's not. IS1008d H01 FIE073 556.45 556.92 Thirty. IS1008d H00 MIO086 559.15 559.41 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 558.46 559.15 Yeah. IS1008d H01 FIE073 558.87 558.96 Yeah. IS1008d H03 MIE085 564.99 574.55 remote, now we're up around about twelve, twelve and a half as to what uh the company had initially uh requested. IS1008d H03 MIE085 574.55 574.89 Um IS1008d H01 FIE073 574.4 576.12 So that means we can put the uh IS1008d H03 MIE085 576.32 578.53 Display in. IS1008d H03 MIE085 578.53 585.75 But as far as production um I'm putting up a question because we're talking about profit also, and in mine you'll see uh IS1008d H01 FIE073 576.82 578.11 the L. C. D. in, yeah. IS1008d H03 MIE085 591.28 596.58 what percentage of the market, etcetera etcetera because that has to be taken in into consideration. IS1008d H03 MIE085 586.9 591.28 the problem with uh our survey, the p the possibility that how many units can be sold, IS1008d H03 MIE085 597.71 604.54 Uh this is just production cost, it is not uh advertising cost, it's not transportation cost uh IS1008d H00 MIO086 605.66 607.96 Yes, so still uh we have twelve point five Euro. IS1008d H03 MIE085 606.91 614.66 And that will inflate quite a bit the cost of the uh the cost of the unit for the company. IS1008d H03 MIE085 614.66 621.16 So to come up with what the company wants is a fifty million Pound profit, we're gonna have to go a long ways. IS1008d H00 MIO086 609.4 609.95 Yes. IS1008d H00 MIO086 611.73 612.08 Yeah, but IS1008d H00 MIO086 613.04 614 Yes. IS1008d H00 MIO086 614 614.12 Yep. IS1008d H02 FIE038 614.14 614.41 Um-hmm. IS1008d H00 MIO086 621.5 628 This we are talking about one unit, okay, so when it go into the quantity, okay, and the cost will come down. IS1008d H00 MIO086 621 621.5 Yes. IS1008d H03 MIE085 623.09 623.94 Yes. IS1008d H01 FIE073 629.62 636.47 Although customisation, because this is being done, you know, the on on-order basis IS1008d H01 FIE073 636.47 642.04 it might be uh the the quantity won't m won't uh the circuit board will b you're right, IS1008d H01 FIE073 642.04 647.24 would be in producing quantity, but the cost of the case would uh be fixed at the IS1008d H03 MIE085 629.9 630.41 Slightly. IS1008d H00 MIO086 636.08 636.25 Yeah. IS1008d H03 MIE085 636.45 638.78 It's gonna be very hard to reduce. IS1008d H02 FIE038 637.98 638.75 Yes. IS1008d H01 FIE073 648.52 653.15 Uh you got some pretty cheap labour that can do this case for one Euro. IS1008d H01 FIE073 653.15 657.29 That's really that's the cost of the material and lab wow, that's really outstanding. IS1008d H03 MIE085 652.3 654.9 That's not bad. IS1008d H00 MIO086 654.57 654.71 Yep. IS1008d H00 MIO086 655.73 655.91 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 679.72 684.73 I will speak to the management and how to get uh you know some more uh cost down. IS1008d H00 MIO086 665.6 669.76 okay, to get uh the production cost less, okay, IS1008d H00 MIO086 659.74 665.6 But anyhow, still we are under control, okay, so what uh I will do is I will try to negotiate with the vendors, IS1008d H00 MIO086 669.76 675.78 so then we can save some money, okay, to put into th our marketing or uh you know the promotions, IS1008d H00 MIO086 675.78 679.72 whatever, okay, so that uh I will look after. IS1008d H03 MIE085 690.04 692.41 If we can go to to my display. IS1008d H03 MIE085 693.58 697.9 And we'll come back to yours just to give everybody an idea of the market. IS1008d H00 MIO086 695.13 695.42 Yes. IS1008d H03 MIE085 701.51 705.38 So now I'm gonna scare everybody out of this project. IS1008d H03 MIE085 708.44 711.86 If I'm still here. IS1008d H03 MIE085 711.86 712.08 Yep. IS1008d H00 MIO086 710.92 711.68 You're in four? IS1008d H03 MIE085 713.49 717.3 The four gives me it's gotta be uh TrendWatch. IS1008d H00 MIO086 715.83 716.56 TrendWatch. IS1008d H01 FIE073 717.46 719.1 Is this the same one you did before? IS1008d H03 MIE085 719.92 720.11 No. IS1008d H01 FIE073 721.09 721.49 Okay. IS1008d H03 MIE085 725.02 726.76 No, no we g no, that's the same one. IS1008d H03 MIE085 722.59 725.02 It shouldn't be if it's not it's not the right one. IS1008d H03 MIE085 726.76 728.09 You have to go back and find another one. IS1008d H02 FIE038 723.21 726.28 That's no, I think it's the same one. IS1008d H03 MIE085 733.83 735.33 Whatever name it popped up under. IS1008d H03 MIE085 736.95 741.15 Uh functional, try functional, it might not be it either, but we'll see. IS1008d H02 FIE038 737.08 737.97 Functional. IS1008d H02 FIE038 742.47 743.78 It looks like it, there's IS1008d H03 MIE085 759.19 764.97 Our internal company evaluation puts it between eight to nine million which is approximately the same as the independent study. IS1008d H03 MIE085 758.01 759.19 Okay? IS1008d H03 MIE085 747.33 758.01 Although since uh we need to have some type of idea on a market uh we had independent study that says it this this market has an availability to absorb eight mi eight million units per year. IS1008d H03 MIE085 744.55 745.38 Yep, that's it. IS1008d H03 MIE085 745.38 747.33 So we'll go screen by screen. IS1008d H02 FIE038 745.03 745.37 S Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 746.49 746.76 Okay. IS1008d H00 MIO086 765.48 766.27 Yep. IS1008d H03 MIE085 769.76 770.43 Next screen. IS1008d H03 MIE085 766.11 769.76 So if we continue, we'll look at the findings. IS1008d H03 MIE085 780.11 781.44 which is actually a tremendous amount. IS1008d H03 MIE085 773.12 780.11 Which means that uh if we have a target of two million would the company has to take twenty five percent of the market in the first year IS1008d H00 MIO086 779.68 779.96 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H01 FIE073 781.44 782.74 Yeah, no kidding. IS1008d H03 MIE085 783 783.83 No kidding, yeah. IS1008d H01 FIE073 784.11 786.12 Mayb maybe they already expected something. IS1008d H03 MIE085 801.57 808.17 transport for the material to the stores or whatever how however we're gonna break this down between our our retailers. IS1008d H03 MIE085 792.96 796.97 okay, we're already in that that price, okay, with transport, IS1008d H03 MIE085 796.97 801.57 promotion, labour, because we hav gi included the promotion in the cost IS1008d H03 MIE085 785.64 792.96 So, if we put an inflated price of fifty Euro at a production cost that cannot exceed twenty-five Euro, IS1008d H00 MIO086 794.95 795.42 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 801.46 801.68 Um-hmm. IS1008d H03 MIE085 812.22 819.1 At two million units, we have to have a profit of twenty-five Euro per unit to get to the fifty million unit Eu Euro profit. IS1008d H03 MIE085 808.96 812.22 Twenty-five percent of the market to get to two million units. IS1008d H03 MIE085 819.1 819.6 Okay? IS1008d H00 MIO086 817 817.47 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H00 MIO086 818.65 818.82 Yep. IS1008d H03 MIE085 821.08 825.46 So, obviously we w w I just did a run down the evaluation of the form, IS1008d H03 MIE085 832.58 839.47 Now, the company must evaluate the feasibility of being able to take enough of the market to justify in production. IS1008d H03 MIE085 825.46 832.58 the fan uh the fancy stylishness of the of the unit, the ease of use, speech recognition, cost, we've gone through these. IS1008d H03 MIE085 848.95 851.38 So, now we have to come up with a decision. IS1008d H03 MIE085 853.68 856.22 Can it sell it for fifty Euros? IS1008d H03 MIE085 851.38 853.68 Can the company sell two million units? IS1008d H03 MIE085 845.42 848.95 maybe there's no more interest in buying this thing in eighteen months from now. IS1008d H03 MIE085 840.59 845.42 Or we project this over two years, but being that the market changes very very quickly IS1008d H00 MIO086 845.45 845.79 Yes. IS1008d H00 MIO086 848.33 848.49 Yep. IS1008d H00 MIO086 849.42 850.21 Of course. IS1008d H02 FIE038 849.59 849.84 Mm. IS1008d H00 MIO086 853.4 853.55 Yep. IS1008d H01 FIE073 886.21 891.16 but you don't have the transport to the uh point of sale. IS1008d H01 FIE073 858.64 880.12 Uh uh um I would uh like to explore the possibility of using um alternative um delivery and sales channel which would be um to use the internet for promotion and ordering and then to drop-ship the p product to the customer's residence. IS1008d H01 FIE073 891.16 893.22 The point of sale is online. IS1008d H01 FIE073 855.18 858.64 Could could I go to findings? IS1008d H01 FIE073 880.12 886.21 That way you have no storage, you have no um you do have transportation, still have the labour cost IS1008d H00 MIO086 855.81 856.14 Yep. IS1008d H02 FIE038 872.4 874.55 I was thinking the same thing, yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 872.86 873.29 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 878.72 879.41 Directly. IS1008d H02 FIE038 884.57 884.88 Um-hmm. IS1008d H00 MIO086 890.85 891.27 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 891.14 891.44 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 892.39 893.27 To the agents. IS1008d H02 FIE038 894.5 901.12 You can do a shipping centre somewhere, or strategically place shipping centres to minimise distance costs. IS1008d H02 FIE038 894.08 894.5 Yeah. IS1008d H01 FIE073 900.18 903.08 In fact, we should sell through Amazon, don't you think? IS1008d H01 FIE073 898.53 900.18 Right, like Amazon. IS1008d H01 FIE073 903.08 904.12 Or eBay, yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 900.73 901.09 Yes. IS1008d H00 MIO086 902.19 903.09 Or eBay, or IS1008d H00 MIO086 903.82 904.34 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 904.18 904.46 Yeah. IS1008d H01 FIE073 907.13 909.98 Going with um IS1008d H01 FIE073 906.38 907.13 There's an idea. IS1008d H00 MIO086 907.28 908.19 Yeah, that's a good idea. IS1008d H00 MIO086 909.54 911.16 To impro more profit and uh IS1008d H03 MIE085 914.46 914.7 Well. IS1008d H03 MIE085 910.53 914.46 S Upscale technology. IS1008d H00 MIO086 911.68 912.5 Yeah, yes. IS1008d H01 FIE073 912.58 917.31 Ah, we we're do you know, selling a unique product uh. IS1008d H02 FIE038 929.21 934.16 whereas if you're in a store, you can't unless you're a highly imaginative person IS1008d H02 FIE038 934.16 937.1 you may not really know what it is you want, IS1008d H02 FIE038 937.1 940.43 whereas on the web, if you have a bunch of pictures, it can sort of trigger ideas and IS1008d H02 FIE038 924.79 929.21 see maybe what other people have done, what the range of possibility as, IS1008d H02 FIE038 918.6 924.79 That actually makes more sense if we're gonna make it so highly customisable, 'cause on the web people can look at the different options they have, IS1008d H01 FIE073 927.6 928.29 Mm. IS1008d H03 MIE085 928.5 930.25 There are several companies that have gone that way. IS1008d H01 FIE073 931.1 931.44 Mm. IS1008d H01 FIE073 938.3 938.59 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H01 FIE073 940.81 948.94 And you can even have an a movie that you can rotate the object and look at the di the only thing that you're missing really is the weight. IS1008d H02 FIE038 945.94 946.27 Yeah. IS1008d H02 FIE038 948.25 949.4 The weight and feel. IS1008d H03 MIE085 948.66 951.18 Weight, the feel of the product, but IS1008d H01 FIE073 950.11 950.36 Mm. IS1008d H02 FIE038 950.24 950.47 Yeah. IS1008d H01 FIE073 951.59 952.58 We're getting used to that. IS1008d H01 FIE073 952.58 954.93 It's not quite like trying on a shoe, but IS1008d H01 FIE073 956.6 960.96 people are getting used to buying things online that they can't touch before buying. IS1008d H02 FIE038 956.77 957.11 Yeah. IS1008d H02 FIE038 960.04 960.27 Yeah. IS1008d H03 MIE085 960.34 962.87 There are several that have gone through with the watches, too. IS1008d H03 MIE085 962.87 968.42 You can customise a watch, you can see how it is at the f at the end of the production, you can change it uh IS1008d H02 FIE038 965.48 966.03 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H01 FIE073 965.73 967.43 Uh-huh. IS1008d H03 MIE085 968.73 970.94 There's a lot of online that's that is doing this now. IS1008d H02 FIE038 970.19 970.62 Yes. IS1008d H03 MIE085 979.22 985.45 which could you know, feasibili feasibility uh lower the price of the unit. IS1008d H03 MIE085 971.23 976.1 And when you're rotating, you'll look behind and look this way uh it's possible to do with this IS1008d H03 MIE085 976.1 979.22 maybe there's a possibility of selling more than two million units in one year, IS1008d H00 MIO086 979.29 979.49 Yeah. IS1008d H02 FIE038 985.3 985.56 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H00 MIO086 987.8 988.24 We can. IS1008d H01 FIE073 988.58 988.89 Great. IS1008d H00 MIO086 989.94 995.58 I don't think that's uh not possible, it's uh okay then, l uh let's wait for the production, okay, IS1008d H00 MIO086 995.58 1001.92 then uh you can evaluate the product, so how it looks like technically and uh how it look like uh the real. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1002.72 1004.43 What turnaround time do we have? IS1008d H00 MIO086 1004.81 1004.95 T IS1008d H02 FIE038 1006.13 1010.26 'Cause I mean production evaluation can be very very quick or very very long. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1007.88 1008.31 Oh but IS1008d H00 MIO086 1009.91 1011.75 Yes it's it's very quick, of course. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1011.75 1016.81 It will uh come back in two weeks, okay, it will be ready in two weeks. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1016.81 1018 For evaluation, okay. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1016.25 1016.96 Works for me. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1019.96 1021.85 Prototypes, you mean. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1021.85 1022.99 In um IS1008d H00 MIO086 1021.51 1024.02 Yes, the prototype uh prototype product evaluation. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1024.09 1031.5 We probably should do some market tests uh once we have the prototypes and do some orders and things like that and test-market it. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1026.07 1026.6 Yes. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1027.49 1028.38 Well, obviously. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1029.53 1029.96 Yes. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1027.88 1029.53 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1028.66 1028.94 Yeah. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1031.58 1036.12 Mm that'd have to be thrown out on the market for people to get an idea, to see get get their IS1008d H00 MIO086 1031.79 1031.88 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1034.39 1037.23 So you can take a minimum two weeks to a maximum four weeks. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1035.08 1035.48 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1037.25 1046.72 Think minimum two weeks if we're gonna develop prototypes and then try to take them to different places and see how people use it's not a trivial task. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1038.08 1038.28 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1046.44 1053.32 Yeah, because we we are not going to do it in uh our factory, okay, so we can give it a product evalua Yes, yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1049.92 1050.79 No no. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1050.79 1053.04 We definitely shouldn't do it in our factory. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1054.21 1058.88 So we'll do it in the other place, and I don't think it's take more than four weeks time. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1061.53 1062.09 Or uh IS1008d H00 MIO086 1064.03 1069.07 Okay, so then the real production we will start once we product evaluation, okay, IS1008d H00 MIO086 1069.07 1079.32 then uh it's approve from uh the technical team and uh your team, okay, uh from the management, then we can launch in the market. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1081.75 1081.9 Hm? IS1008d H01 FIE073 1082.2 1083.4 Any outstanding? IS1008d H00 MIO086 1083.73 1088.95 S Any any other uh questions or uh comments to be discuss? IS1008d H01 FIE073 1091.53 1093.06 No, I'm go ahead. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1091.58 1092.06 What ab IS1008d H03 MIE085 1092.25 1093.86 I think we pretty much covered everything. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1094.08 1095.56 Okay, so then uh IS1008d H01 FIE073 1094.96 1095.89 Did you have something? IS1008d H02 FIE038 1105.04 1106.91 this is bad, we want this done differently. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1095.56 1105.04 Well I was just wondering about if we're gonna do a product evaluation then what about time for redesign if the users come back and tell us no this is bad, IS1008d H00 MIO086 1111.45 1116.2 Let's proceed with this model, okay, for the for the marketing direction, okay. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1116.2 1121.4 So no more changes will be made, okay, in this the basic design. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1109 1111.45 Okay uh, let's take like this. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1123.32 1131.57 So we will introduce m this model and uh let's introduce in the market and let's take the feedback from the customers, then we can uh go for the IS1008d H00 MIO086 1122.55 1123.32 Okay? IS1008d H01 FIE073 1132.24 1133.27 Second generation. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1132.77 1133.8 second generation. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1138.32 1139.47 Every every custom IS1008d H00 MIO086 1134.89 1135.78 Okay. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1135.78 1138.32 There's no end, there's not limit. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1137.72 1144.61 The problem is there might not be a second generation if the first generation flops for some silly reason that we haven't thought of. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1140.52 1141.36 Well, then it may not be. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1142.71 1142.84 Okay. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1143.06 1150.65 Well, every customer, okay, they have their own ideas, they have their own test, okay, so there's no end, there's no limit. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1144.27 1147.14 Like people don't like wood. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1152.82 1153.07 No IS1008d H02 FIE038 1153.07 1165.53 but there's a difference between releasing a product that has been minimally tested and fine-tuned to suit a general range of requirements versus releasing a product that we think will work but we don't really have anything to back it up. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1164.3 1165.71 very specific. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1165.88 1170.54 Yeah, so that's the reason you are here for uh the design, okay, I hope you made a good design. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1172 1176.21 I mean the whole point of user evaluation is to see what real people need. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1176.21 1181.56 We have our own motivations in mind, we have our own ideas in mind, but that doesn't mean that that's what's gonna sell. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1169.61 1172 Yes, but I'm not everybody. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1188.04 1192.64 like uh you can eat uh you can all eat more chi I can eat more chilli, okay, IS1008d H00 MIO086 1192.64 1197.97 so i it's a depends on the individual taste, you know, so we have we have to balance somewhere. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1181.52 1188.04 Yeah, but uh see, we ought to take a few considerations, okay, one is the price consideration, one is future consideration, okay, IS1008d H02 FIE038 1199.57 1209.32 I'm just trying to point out that I think that your evaluation and redesign turnaround time is too short well you have no redesign not you personally IS1008d H02 FIE038 1209.32 1213.55 but in the project we have no redesign time and IS1008d H02 FIE038 1198.93 1199.57 Yeah, of course. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1209.68 1209.95 Yes. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1210.32 1213.05 Our project doesn't um IS1008d H00 MIO086 1211.01 1211.09 Yeah. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1214.33 1221.04 Ed, d do you know what season of the year or time of the year is the most important for T. V. remote control sales? IS1008d H03 MIE085 1221 1221.22 Hmm. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1222.58 1225.68 Would it be the Christmas season by any chance? IS1008d H01 FIE073 1225.68 1227.18 Sports season. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1224.69 1225.63 The sports time. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1230.56 1232.02 World soccer. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1228.03 1230.56 Right before the Eur the World Cup. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1232.02 1238.38 World Cup soccer, they need those things that they have their hands g occupied and they need to be able to talk to the con remote control. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1228.46 1229.6 Which sport season? IS1008d H00 MIO086 1230.27 1230.88 Football. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1230.83 1232.43 So so IS1008d H02 FIE038 1230.92 1231.66 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1233.7 1234.39 Football. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1234.47 1235.89 maybe what IS1008d H01 FIE073 1247.78 1253.53 And and then um so that gives us a little more time perhaps then we anticipated, IS1008d H01 FIE073 1253.53 1257.77 because I don't know when the World Cup is, but I'm sure there's gonna be one. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1238.61 1247.78 So I think what we need to do is perhaps to synchronise the final the the launch of a user-tested device with some special event. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1244.74 1245.07 Yes. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1247.31 1247.59 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1247.43 1248.53 Yeah, that's a good idea. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1257.05 1258.99 Or any major sports. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1269.63 1284.96 I'm just ig uh pointing out a uh a strategy to uh do some additional user testing pri and then to launch um at a a major sports event or uh perhaps to uh also IS1008d H01 FIE073 1265.33 1269.63 I think that might be a little too aggressive um, but, so IS1008d H01 FIE073 1259.29 1261.31 Or another m major sports event. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1261.31 1265.33 Probably not the um the football games coming up the end of January. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1267.11 1267.35 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1267.3 1267.52 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1277.08 1277.59 Research. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1277.25 1277.5 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1282.2 1282.47 Yep. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1283.75 1286.17 That's actually good place to advertise it too. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1298.86 1303.97 so we could maybe work out a campaign with uh with Sony Pictures for example. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1288.24 1298.86 There might be some motion pictures that are coming out um that are coming out on D. V. D. that uh they need to have a m special remote control to work with it IS1008d H01 FIE073 1303.97 1308.22 Maybe some management has got uh relationships there we can leverage. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1286.56 1288.24 And to work with motion pictures. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1287.43 1287.74 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1303.16 1303.58 Yes. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1304.18 1304.45 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1308.23 1312.38 Yes, the that of course uh I will convince the management to do that, okay. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1312.24 1315.55 That's great. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1316.81 1319.96 It's just something to to keep in mind, 'cause it's really really important. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1319.96 1324.68 A lot of products have gone out there without being properly user-tested and completely flopped IS1008d H02 FIE038 1324.68 1330.33 when in fact it gets re-released a few years down the line with proper testing and it takes off like crazy. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1319.05 1321.07 Sure, sure, yes. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1363.63 1367.17 you're right, timing is very important, but I think we've got a good product. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1330.84 1334.16 Disposable diapers is an example of that in fact. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1334.16 1342.81 Yes, it is one of the first consumer products that was launched about thirty years that was a disposable consumer product IS1008d H01 FIE073 1357.85 1363.63 paper cups and napki y all kinds of things that they hadn't um so, IS1008d H01 FIE073 1349.94 1357.85 'cause it wasn't uh but then when they re-launched them thirty years later, they were virtually the same design, but people had gotten the throw-away, you know IS1008d H01 FIE073 1342.81 1349.94 and uh people the market hadn't really gotten on to the concept that you could use something and then throw it away, IS1008d H02 FIE038 1333.05 1334.7 Really? IS1008d H02 FIE038 1334.7 1335.81 That I didn't know. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1349.82 1350.14 Mm-hmm. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1363.27 1363.57 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1365.43 1365.58 Yeah. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1367.54 1367.67 Yeah. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1374.33 1374.73 Yes. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1369.01 1374.33 I think he can promote the the brand value and the product value. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1367.66 1369.01 That's the reason Ed is here. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1369.09 1369.69 That's right. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1373.23 1376.12 It's gonna be very important to the company. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1377.59 1380.4 We are behind the scene and he is the front screen, so. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1380.53 1380.67 Yep. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1381.69 1385.76 Yeah, I'm the one who takes the heat. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1385.76 1387.69 If it's a flop, it's the marketer. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1382.15 1383.12 He's on the big screen. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1382.91 1384.77 Exactly. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1384.32 1385.89 Good luck, Ed. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1388.46 1394.93 You look very relaxed, considering h you know, the uh the weight on your shoulders, yeah. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1388.54 1392.07 Yes. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1392.07 1392.87 Yes. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1392.87 1394.95 Stress. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1396.42 1405.09 Okay, so then uh let's come to the closing and uh are the costs within the budget and uh is the product evaluated, IS1008d H00 MIO086 1405.09 1407.98 okay, so that will uh come soon. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1409.86 1418.63 so thanks for all your efforts and great work and uh great design and uh let's leave it to the Ed for later for once production is IS1008d H00 MIO086 1407.98 1409.86 Okay for uh but our time being IS1008d H03 MIE085 1399.85 1400.78 Celebration. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1419.51 1422.47 over and the meantime let's celebrate. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1422.47 1426.37 So let's meet up uh this evening to hang up for some party. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1430.86 1431.89 Nice working with you. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1430.13 1430.86 Thank you. IS1008d H01 FIE073 1429.08 1430.13 Sounds good. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1429.92 1430.18 'S good. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1429.99 1430.9 Very good. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1430.02 1430.33 Okay. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1431.99 1436.47 Thank you very much. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1436.47 1437.42 Bye-bye. IS1008d H03 MIE085 1437.42 1440.42 Yep, okay, see you later on. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1433 1434.12 Thank you. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1434.12 1435.16 Thank you again for all. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1434.11 1434.43 Thanks. IS1008d H02 FIE038 1435.69 1438.57 Bye. IS1008d H00 MIO086 1436.39 1437.72 And see you in the evening for drinks. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 6.2 6.33 Two. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 11.32 13.12 Good morning. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 11.63 12.47 Hello. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 12.47 12.86 Hello. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 12.97 13.56 Hello. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 16.36 16.64 Ah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 18.13 20.67 You have to put it exactly on the on the yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 19.97 22.08 Plate? TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 21.2 21.5 Okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 22.84 23.66 Good morning. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 23.97 24.88 Good morning. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 32.52 33.88 I took your mouse. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 33.88 37.54 Yeah just yeah, no, that's for me, I just have to make some notes. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 37.54 39.07 I got my uh mouse. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 35.11 35.39 Or TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 32.7 35.11 Should I bring my uh pen too? TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 37.08 37.81 Okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 40.15 43.48 Uh I also forgot my mouse, but I don't need my mouse, I think. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 40.96 41.29 Mouse. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 41.79 46.2 yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 44.8 45.24 I do. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 48.22 49.66 Come on. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 49.66 50.17 There we are. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 58.63 60.45 My laptop is crashing. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 62.77 64.84 Damn computers. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 63.54 65.38 Cr TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 74.95 75.97 Help help help. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 77.7 79.42 Let's just check one more time. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 81.29 81.58 Mm. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 83.57 84.1 Hello? TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 85.61 86.12 I dunno. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 82.8 83.57 Can you hear me? TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 84.1 85.61 Test. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 84.23 86.89 Uh actually my laptop doesn't work, switch it on again. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 92.47 93.62 Okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 93.62 94.54 I think it works. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 91.64 92.47 Check. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 92.12 92.53 Oh no. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 98.08 99.31 Yes, it's working. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 97.01 98.08 Test test. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 106.59 109.52 So you all read what we are going to do or not? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 109.52 110.07 Okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 109.83 111.61 We're gonna make a remote control. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 108.99 109.83 Mm-hmm. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 109.75 110.06 Yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 111.99 112.59 Yeah, that's right. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 112.35 114.06 I think my laptop is a bit TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 118.32 118.79 etchy. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 119.85 122.98 I just made a a simple uh presentation. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 127.27 128.78 So you put some things in it. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 131.41 131.8 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 140.74 141.52 How does this work? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 141.52 142.44 I dunno. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 143.79 145.52 One uh most to the right. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 145.52 147.32 Yes that one. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 147.32 147.65 Yes. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 144.72 144.99 Uh p TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 146.56 146.94 This one? TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 147.36 148.66 Press F. eleven. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 152.6 156.77 Uh we're going to make uh a remote control, you already know that. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 150.88 152.6 So that's my name,. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 160.54 163.28 You know, this is about twenty five minutes, this meeting. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 149.88 150.88 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 156.77 160.54 Just have a look, are we going to uh this agenda of our meeting. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 148.87 149.88 Ah cool. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 179.89 185.02 Uh first we have uh uh three steps of uh making the the remote control. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 185.02 189.84 Fir the first thing is th the functional design, that's very important. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 189.84 193.73 We have to look what the needs are, the effects of the functional design, TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 165.37 169.83 So um the thing we have to know is you already know what we're going to do, TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 169.83 173.82 you also read what this the things or, not yet, okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 193.73 201.45 and and how the mm the the remote control works, so that's where we're going to look in the functional design, it's for the f next meeting. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 173.82 179.89 So um, yeah, it has to be original, trendy, user-friendly that's what we're going to design. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 172.44 172.73 Yes. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 221.04 231.72 And the third thing is uh the detailed design um and that's exa yeah, you know what it is, it's exactly how it looks and whatever. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 213.91 221.04 And we have to look what uh the market is doing for what kind of uh remote controls are in the market. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 231.72 238.42 Okay so uh no, this is a these are two smartboards, with the uh f uh s an introduction of that one. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 205.42 213.91 that's what it that's uh the spe the specifications of the components and the properties and the specifications of the user interface. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 202.24 205.42 The the second thing is the conceptual design TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 247 248.14 Folder, okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 240.48 247 And you already saw you know all that that you here can put uh things in the the red project uh map. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 246.18 246.82 Folder, yes. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 252.97 254.83 So no okay have a look at that one. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 257.02 257.33 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 258.98 264.68 So uh what we're going to do first is um TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 267.57 276.95 You have to uh draw uh a favourite animal on the whiteboard and um and say why it's your favourite animal. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 276.95 284.97 So and you have this is just to try it out and we have to uh use a different pen colours and different thickness of the pen. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 266.1 267.57 so you can read. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 286.48 291.7 So okay, so first have to show you, maybe you can come here to have a look how it works. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 296.52 299.72 This a new page, it's okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 294.32 295.14 Yes? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 295.14 296.52 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 299.72 302.69 Use pen format. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 294.45 295.45 Ah I can see it now. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 294.74 295.05 Yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 304.79 308.36 and a different colour can use here no I just take the pink. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 317.8 320.89 And uh line width ten. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 311.25 316.8 You take oh there's no pink, okay, oh just purple, okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 316.8 317.8 No blue. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 320.89 326.07 Okay uh just take what I'm going to draw is an elephant. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 314.41 314.77 Purple. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 327.7 330.3 Just draw slowly, because otherwise it won't work. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 336.38 337.02 It's a very TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 338.18 339.44 nice elephant, you can see. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 344.16 346.4 I dunno what it looks but it doesn't matter. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 348.6 349.5 Looks very nice. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 350.39 351.29 I just h TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 352.44 353.36 Something like this? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 353.36 354.46 Oh no TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 353.89 359.28 It look like a dinosaurs. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 357.07 358.9 Because I like uh okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 355.48 357.07 Yeah, okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 359.68 360.74 A pink elephant. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 368.77 370.21 Just takes so long, okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 370.21 371.04 Whatever, just. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 372.82 373.7 You erased this one. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 376.31 379.28 It's a bit slow you can see, this is a bit annoying. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 380.26 380.71 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 384.72 386.53 Okay, so just TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 387.73 390.52 for you guys just one of you can draw a painting if you want. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 391.54 392.42 Let me try one. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 395.43 395.82 That's okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 391.69 395.43 Just don't um yeah, just u use it like that, yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 396.43 396.96 Okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 407.74 408.4 How do I do TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 405.69 407.74 Okay and then uh what's the colour? TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 403.47 405.69 Mm. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 408.25 409.02 It's in format. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 410.91 411.03 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 413.52 413.77 Ah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 416.42 417.85 I'll take this one. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 424.9 428.04 Uh there has to be water, but TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 425.88 426.17 Just TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 433.6 433.94 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 432.02 432.4 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 427.99 432.02 No it has to be an animal, so if that's it's it should be a shna snake or something. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 432.4 433.6 Okay okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 429.93 433.99 Yeah yeah, but it's an animal it's an animal that lives in the water. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 433.99 436.09 So I first uh draw the water. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 432.62 435.15 Okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 432.7 438.7 The water is important. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 439.5 440.77 Okay, and now TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 437.65 439.5 Uh. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 445.04 446.02 I make the animal. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 455.94 456.79 It's a fish. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 457.18 458.18 Wow. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 457.27 458.01 Okay, cool. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 464.06 464.45 Mm-hmm. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 472.42 472.69 So. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 474.81 478.56 Um TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 485.02 485.88 This is a worm. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 489.14 490.3 Hmm yeah, that's nice. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 489.37 491.27 Wow. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 492.78 493.35 Uh TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 490.49 492.78 Okay, who next? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 492.71 498.8 Uh do you have to write down why uh that doesn't matter, just it's to get used to the whiteboard, but it's okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 498.8 501.11 Just make a new blank new blank page. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 498.06 498.63 Okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 517.91 518.03 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 521.12 523.25 Well Paul? TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 522.02 524.16 Yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 524.16 524.55 Like this? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 525.4 527.91 Yeah, not too far to the to the t pen top. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 527.84 528.96 Okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 528.96 529.54 Um TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 536.16 537.13 let's make it TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 541.64 542.12 um TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 544.64 545.21 a dog. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 556.79 557.04 Ooh. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 568.78 572.33 Maybe you should hold your pen a bit more to the back, so that no, to the yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 574.74 575.72 I think it's a pig. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 574.79 575.24 Ah okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 576.79 577.13 A pig? TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 578.34 579.87 I can make a dog. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 578.36 582.38 No, it's a dog. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 578.47 579.04 Or a dog. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 581.31 583.96 Um TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 582.08 582.58 A sheep? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 586.79 589.99 Uh we d only have twenty five minutes, so. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 588.81 591.41 Take it easy. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 591.87 592.97 'Kay, I make a cat of it. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 596.42 597.95 I I was gonna make a cat too. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 599.52 600.92 Use your fantasy. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 601.98 603.23 Oh, not too quick. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 604.97 608.08 Just hold it more more to the back then you don't have okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 607.24 607.72 No I have it. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 609.66 611.08 I just draw too quick I think. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 612.62 613.62 Okay, that's it. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 615.65 615.96 More. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 616.71 617.85 No, that's okay, thank you. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 619.7 620.89 It's just to get used to it. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 621.91 622.59 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 648.79 649.71 But it's just TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 640.24 647.08 I thought these pens would be just um uh you write it down and you download it to Word, you already did it or no? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 647.08 648.79 No, not yet, okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 646.95 647.54 No. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 652.04 653.62 You really got to write on that paper. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 647.72 652.04 Yeah, that's right, it but you actually got to write on the paper. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 651.55 651.85 Sorry? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 653.2 658.18 Yeah, I know, but I d I I thought it would be just in in in uh typed words in Word TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 661.54 664.49 So it's not that cool as I th thought it would be. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 658.18 661.54 so that's not just it's just a picture. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 653.67 654.71 Yeah yeah, it's a real pen. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 657.79 659.47 Yeah, but it's just a picture. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 661.11 661.52 Oh. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 662.54 663.47 You really TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 662.63 666.42 Y you can you can't edit in the edit it in Word. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 666.26 666.48 No. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 666.52 666.8 No. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 668.11 669.81 Oh, okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 685.42 686.54 It's a donkey. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 694.07 696.55 I don't know, what time did we start this meeting, I'm not sure. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 697.05 698.38 Uh I think it was uh TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 698.8 699.33 Half past. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 699.9 700.6 Half past ten. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 700.88 701.02 Yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 701.65 701.94 Okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 709.8 710.35 Brilliant. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 710.7 711.49 Okay, perfect. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 710.94 712.41 Nice, eh? TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 711.59 711.88 Yep. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 715.25 717.79 Now we just have to save everything, so. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 714.66 715.25 Yeah, thank you. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 730.43 733.96 Oh this is definitely the best one. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 734.04 734.36 Uh. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 735.36 736.25 Okay, so TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 738.92 744.92 uh what we know is that we have to sell this uh remote control for about twenty five Euros. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 746.53 746.98 Excuse me. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 747.92 752.99 And uh we have to make a profit of fifty million Euros, so we have to uh use a big market in Europe. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 746.77 747.92 Okay, that's. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 754.04 754.63 Piece of cake. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 754.37 756.78 The production cost are about half the price of selling price, sorry. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 757.01 757.76 Uh easy. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 758.13 759.91 So can someone make a TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 761.41 766.61 a calculation about how many we have to sell of these to make fifty million, I dunno. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 766.61 774.98 Uh so we're gonna have a little discussion about um what experience are with a remote control the and everything TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 774.98 778.46 so just have a look how it we think about remote controls. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 779.04 784.35 Yeah, my first question was does it have to be a a universal remote control? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 784.51 785.97 Oh yeah, that's a good question. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 786.41 794.78 Because we sell it uh uh uh lonely from the t and not with the television, we sell it uh apart. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 795.89 799.45 I think it's I'm not I'm not sure, it's not mm I think TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 796.88 797.76 So I TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 798.37 800.96 Yeah, it probably would be universal. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 800.24 801.74 Universal. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 803.85 804.83 Or more devices? TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 801.74 803.85 And only television? TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 800.4 801.02 Because TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 804.74 811.34 I don't think you can buy a a a universal uh remote control for twenty five Euros, so not sure, but TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 811.88 813.06 Hmm, maybe, I don't know. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 812.16 817.99 Yeah, I know uh you can buy a re a universal uh control for uh only twenty uh Euros TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 815.94 819.57 Okay, so we we just say we just say that's universal remote control. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 819.57 820.37 Okay, perfect. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 818.99 819.81 Yeah, I think. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 819.31 819.82 Ah okay. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 821.38 827.86 And uh also for the V. C. R. and uh D. V. D. player and okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 826.34 830.97 Yeah, everything just so a lot of buttons on the remote control. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 830.26 832.15 Yeah, probably. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 832.14 833.17 Not just a T. V. . TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 833.57 834.42 No, just everything. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 834.67 835.06 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 835.55 840.9 so yeah, what what what's a remote control, it's just a black thing with some buttons on it, TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 840.9 845.85 it's not nothing very special, but um yeah, that's right. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 835.78 836.4 Okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 844 845.51 Well we can try to make it special. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 847.11 852.2 So do you have any ideas how it has to look for for usability or user TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 850.99 851.69 Well TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 856.57 862.61 we don't have uh the same television uh all the time, so uh that's no matter. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 851.04 856.57 Well I th I thought about um making it the same uh style as the television, TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 862.61 870.14 Um if we uh control the V. C. R. and the D. V. D. player player with it TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 872.1 883.52 uh it has to be clear, because uh kids and uh elderly are gonna use it, so uh it's not only for the uh technical persons. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 886.49 887.12 Um TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 897.69 901.58 the the infrared uh thing must be from very good quality. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 889.89 897.69 I think it must be a very good control, so you can uh uh uh act uh use it from uh everywhere in your room TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 898.53 899.08 Hmm yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 905.19 906.01 Should be a good point. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 904.21 905.19 That's right. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 906.72 907.24 Yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 907.24 908.75 Nothing TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 906.74 907.12 Okay. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 909.92 911.14 And how big should it be? TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 910.18 910.42 N TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 913.21 914.72 I dunno um TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 910.58 912.35 No. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 912.35 913.21 Yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 916.59 922.07 It shouldn't be too big, but I don't think we can make it too small, 'cause it has to have a lot of functions, so. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 922.45 922.67 Yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 924.43 927.85 We can't make it smaller than the things we see now I think. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 928.77 931.68 Just big enough for the buttons we have, that's that's it. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 930.63 931.2 Yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 931.2 933.05 Or we have to make something uh TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 940.48 943.38 Maybe then you can make it s smaller and uniquer, TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 934.66 940.48 like uh mobile phones that you can uh fold it opem. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 939.83 940.06 Yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 938.86 939.83 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 944.4 944.93 Yes TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 945.56 946.43 maybe more trendy. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 947.24 951.35 But you you you you think about uh uh one you can fold open. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 953.42 956.59 Maybe for the D. V. D. pla player or something, if you just okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 951.35 953.42 Okay, yeah, that's cool. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 953.3 954.1 I think TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 950.6 953.3 Fold open, where you can see uh more options. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 953.08 954.23 Ah that's that's TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 953.4 954.12 Yeah n TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 955.42 965.34 Yeah, something uh on top, just dren general things like volume and T. V. channels and inside things you don't use that often. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 956.28 958.1 Ah right right. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 956.95 957.53 Yeah, or you c TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 965.38 965.56 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 965.69 966.92 Oh that's good, yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 965.79 971.51 O or you could th think of an uh uh a small touch screen on the remote control. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 971.76 973.45 Yeah b I wanted TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 972.13 972.86 Yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 973.44 976.08 Why should you use a touchscreen on a remote control? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 976.08 976.98 There are buttons on it. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 974.7 978.7 Uh maybe be uh it's it's TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 977.96 980.11 No you can make an uh manual in it. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 981.49 986.45 Yeah, or um maybe to keep it uh easy and uh small. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 987.23 987.53 Okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 988.52 989.03 Yeah, but TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 988.65 991.26 But it's not t t t too expensive to put a touchscreen on it. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 988.88 992.93 But that's Yeah, I think it's much uh too expensive. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 988.97 992.19 Uh like a a to have Yeah, maybe it would. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 990.78 995.89 Yeah but it's not reachable I think, touch screen. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 999.57 1007.3 because uh uh remote controls are most uh things in the house that falls down on the ground and it get often uh broken. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 995.89 999.57 And we have to care for uh the strength of the remote control TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 999.57 999.81 Yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1007.61 1012.17 And if you have a touch screen in it, it's definitely too too fragile uh fragile. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1005.2 1006.06 Yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1006.06 1007.61 So. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1010.38 1011.42 Yeah, too fragile. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1010.67 1016.49 Yeah and a lots uh uh lots of kids use it and touchscreen is not uh kids uh TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1014.83 1014.98 No. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1016.63 1019.25 You can put games on your remote control. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1019.25 1020.02 Whatever. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1017.1 1017.73 Kid-proof. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1018.68 1020.66 Yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1019.04 1024.09 And uh how about the batteries? TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1024.09 1028.87 Uh should you put it in a recharger or a just TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1020.99 1022.11 Um TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1027.86 1033.14 Oh maybe that's a good idea, just to put it on your television and just s recharge, you never have to use any batteries. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1027.98 1029.84 Ma maybe a home station. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1029.51 1029.9 Yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1031.21 1031.89 Mm yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1032.55 1036.04 Maybe that's a good idea, but yeah, we have to look at the price now I think. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1036.66 1039.79 Yeah, how m how mu how how expensive uh is a normal recharger? TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1036.93 1037.34 Yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1037.89 1038.78 Yeah, I dunno. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1039.16 1044.46 Well uh how much is your uh standards uh mobile phone recharger? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1045.05 1045.44 I dunno. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1046.08 1055.23 Yeah, if you buy it uh separately from your phone it's probably expensive, but I don't know what the project uh projection costs are for such a thing. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1048.5 1048.95 Ah yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1053.19 1054.82 Maybe have uh TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1054.85 1060.43 Uh if you th look at the market, it's probably it's still the best way just to put batteries in it, because maybe it's too expensive. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1059.7 1061.37 Yeah, 'cause well TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1060.69 1061.09 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1072.7 1073.4 Maybe it's TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1060.99 1064.91 Yeah, but a home station is uh a really good idea, TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1064.91 1072.7 because uh lots of people are uh lose their remote control and don't know where it is, and now you can put it always at the same place. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1070.2 1071.63 Yeah, that's right, yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1071.59 1071.8 Yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1072.56 1072.73 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1074.61 1077.28 Therefore it's a good idea, but maybe it's expensive. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1078.08 1081.13 Maybe uh use it as a separate option. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1081.13 1082.28 Sell it uh separately. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1080.58 1080.93 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1082 1083.9 You can yeah, you can buy it with it. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1083.55 1088.24 Yeah, but I have a mouse that's uh uh also uh TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1088.58 1089.25 Rechargeable. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1089.34 1097.28 Yeah, and and you just have normal batteries that you can recharge and just put it in the station, or you can change your batteries, so. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1093.78 1094 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1096.25 1096.59 Oh yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1097.56 1099.31 The option, just the option, that's cool. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1098.91 1099.2 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1107.07 1114.52 uh the the on off button must be on top, uh it has to lay good in the hand, you you have to uh TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1099.49 1107.07 Uh I I set something on paper already, size, looks, uh usable, uh the buttons on usable places, TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1109.97 1110.22 Yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1111.38 1111.79 Yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1114.49 1122.22 Has it be has does it has to b have to be um uh like a different form than a normal remote control or TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1120.16 1122.96 Yeah, I don't I don't know I don't know if we TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1122.26 1128.93 Well I think we have to look at that, 'cause well you can do the standard way, but then you won't TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1128.09 1134.52 You can make it very special, to create our own um looks, but it's very hard to TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1130.85 1131.09 Yeah TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1134.01 1140.22 N uh if if we want to make it special, we probably have to do a lot of testing, if it really works. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1140.48 1140.98 Nah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1140.63 1142.2 Well you can um TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1143.25 1153.38 have uh the basic things on the same place, like on off button on top and the T. V. channels one two three four as a block, TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1153.38 1157.85 and then the volume uh obviously on t on top, so you can see. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1166.97 1174.3 So it doesn't matter what place it is on the remote control I think, so you can do something unique with that. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1160.7 1166.97 so if you have a clear button with an good icon on it, it should be clear as well. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1157.85 1160.7 But the rest is uh you don't use that often, TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1153.08 1153.32 Yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1166.63 1166.94 Yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1167.21 1167.47 Yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1174.92 1185.84 And what we have to think about too is uh uh buttons that you use often are um maybe uh like when you fold it open, TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1191.39 1199.91 But n yeah, but uh i basically when I'm watching T. V. I'm just using like five buttons or so, so. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1185.84 1190.76 when you have it closed, you can still uh do the th the functions. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1190.76 1191.39 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1190.59 1195.6 Uh on on top are the the basic options on top, and if you fold it open TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1189.15 1190.59 Yeah yeah, what Paul already said. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1190.8 1193.81 Yeah, just for the T. V. and just the normal function, that's fine. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1192.56 1193.24 Yeah, yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1195.56 1196.14 But maybe it's TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1199.08 1199.33 Yeah. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1199.33 1201.08 That's what I meant. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1200.33 1207.05 maybe it's very hard to to make it fold open and to l look like it's very uh uh what's it's called? TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1206.92 1208.34 Mm. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1208.34 1215.95 If you if if you make to fold open it's or also an uh the strength uh is not s as good as a normal uh remote control. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1208.49 1210.17 Maybe it's hard t TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1208.82 1209.53 Uh TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1214.84 1220.45 So maybe we have to to uh keep it like mm a square, just normal remote control. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1214.23 1214.84 No, that's right. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1220.66 1221.6 Okay, but yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1223.19 1224.06 Just think about it. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1236.18 1237.85 So you know what you have to what you have to do? TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1231.54 1236.18 We have uh another thirty minutes, so then we're going to meet again. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1224.06 1228.6 We have to close this uh to finish this uh meeting, so. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1228.6 1231.54 There's some more things. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1223.33 1223.83 Yeah. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1227.5 1227.79 Okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1240.36 1240.78 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1242.04 1242.3 Yeah. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1242.56 1247.71 Um for m for me uh the Marketing Expert, the user requirements uh specification, TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1247.71 1252.9 do I need to think as a user, a as a a a only the looks and the TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1251.39 1253.76 No, what you want to do with it. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1259.99 1262.83 Also from a user, but all these things together. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1262.83 1263.66 Yeah, everything. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1253.81 1259.99 Yeah, I think this if you you have to n know if it's for s a T. V., a D. V. D. player, all that things. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1259.55 1260.02 Okay. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1261.53 1265.82 Yeah, it's also about strength and uh for everything uh. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1263.14 1266.08 Yeah, I also wrote down some stuff that you want on a TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1265.63 1271.76 Yeah, no maybe not not uh, that's not a f that's something for for for yeah. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1271.76 1272.47 That's not for you. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1270.5 1271.44 Technical fun fu TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1273.54 1274.07 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1273.88 1277.83 Just if what's in the market, what's normal, uh what kind of uh buttons do you have. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1276.93 1280.7 What do you want to do with your remote control, what do you need on your remote control. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1280.7 1284.06 I already wrote some down, some ideas. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1280.83 1281.41 Yeah, it's alright. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1284.4 1284.7 Yep. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1285.19 1286.89 Yeah, just is that okay? TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1287.25 1287.74 Okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1287.6 1287.77 Yep. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1287.93 1288.44 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1288.9 1289.03 Okay. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1289.65 1291.58 There's already a document in the TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1292.84 1294.4 folder about it. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1293.79 1294.41 Yeah, me too. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1298.49 1299.71 So see you in thirty minutes. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1300.15 1300.82 Okay, well done. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1300.54 1301.02 Okay. TS3004a H02 MTD014ID 1301.09 1301.81 Okay. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1302.08 1307.63 For the next time you have to uh put it exactly on the square, so your laptop. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1307.77 1308.52 I will. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1308.02 1309.99 Oh Paul. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1311.48 1312.33 It didn't say that. TS3004a H00 MTD013PM 1312.98 1313.66 No, sorry. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1313.75 1314.29 Your fault. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1317.06 1317.53 Ciao. TS3004a H03 MTD016ME 1325.68 1329.24 Bye bye. TS3004a H01 MTD015UID 1327.99 1328.89 Bye bye. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 34.67 37.99 I just forgot their name, so uh you're i sorry, I just forgot them all. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 37.99 40.03 So I have to write it down. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 38.52 40.92 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 41.4 41.85 So TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 42.24 43.06 Fine. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 43.85 45.1 Do you know them or TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 45.83 46.7 The names? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 46.45 46.72 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 48.32 50.75 For for for my sur um Jens. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 49.76 50.04 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 51.38 53.4 Yeah, no, but your b your surname. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 53.66 54.33 Uh Damman. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 56.72 58.86 D. A. W. . TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 63.77 64.31 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 62.78 63.77 W. O. da. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 64.42 65.51 I mean M. . TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 62.88 64.42 Uh uh M. M. . TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 65.51 66.06 Double M. . TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 67.3 67.69 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 69.33 70.95 And what's your name? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 72.68 73.16 Paul Wiezer. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 71.31 72.68 Paul Wiezer. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 75.26 78.3 W. I. E. S. z Z. or S. ? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 78.3 81.55 Uh uh zee. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 81.55 82.68 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 82.68 83.33 What's your name? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 75.33 79.47 A. E. Z. zee zee TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 80.87 81.3 E. R. . TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 84 84.73 Uh Martijn. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 85.28 86.83 Yeah, but your surname. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 87.41 87.73 What? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 87.86 88.42 Your surname. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 91.07 92.88 A. B. B. I. N. G. . TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 89.01 91.07 Uh Abbing. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 92.84 94 Okay, thanks. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 97.16 99.5 I was a little short on time, but TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 97.23 97.36 Uh. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 98.82 104.65 Yeah, me too, so that's not No no no, I just fi first my TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 99.89 101.27 Yeah, same here. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 102.72 103.62 Oh. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 103.62 104.03 Sorry. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 108.48 109.84 Which one was mine? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 106.89 108.48 Uh let's see. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 109.33 114.17 So let's have a look, we have forty minutes, so it's it's more than enough. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 120.89 123.27 So we have Oh no, what's that? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 119.34 120.89 Okay, perfect. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 126.21 130.68 So so we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting, TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 130.68 135.57 and we have to make uh sure that we going t that we are sure, that we are, TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 131.16 131.96 Good. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 141.28 145.72 Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting, so I showed uh show them to you. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 137.03 141.28 that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like look like. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 147.78 150.05 Oh, sorry about that, I just escape this one. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 151.83 152.72 How do I escape this? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 153.94 154.18 What? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 154.37 156.71 How do I I escape this s uh presentation? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 159.68 160.12 So TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 157.69 159.68 Uh left. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 157.77 158.44 Uh TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 160.79 163.13 And show, sorry. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 163.13 166.53 Okay, so let's have a look s at this one. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 159.02 160.79 Ah okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 159.61 160.18 Just Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 194.08 194.83 Um TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 185.46 191.83 Um so yeah, it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 191.83 194.08 It's it's still the same. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 182.26 185.46 So have you changed that part? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 167.75 174.43 Okay, so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um Should be a univ uh universal remote control No TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 174.43 182.26 that's I uh s I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a T. V. remote control only. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 184.53 185.06 Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 184.67 185.46 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 196.04 197.23 All these points uh we have to TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 200.59 202.07 But uh there's another point. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 202.07 204.75 The um uh the main TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 198.55 199.16 look at. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 199.16 200.59 You all know them. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 216.52 219.34 'Specially old people, maybe bi bigger buttons or something, I dunno. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 206.1 210.64 uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 210.64 213.91 So they're old and not younger people. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 213.91 216.52 So we have to look at that as well. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 219.65 220.16 Yeah, okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 225.01 225.71 Uh so TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 229.75 234.24 So yeah, that's it, so just you can do your presentation for uh TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 234.24 235.17 Which one first? TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 235.03 235.68 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 235.61 237.24 Oh it doesn't matter, just start with the TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 237.45 237.9 Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 240.63 241.19 Mm. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 249.67 250.65 Uh TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 251.55 252.75 Functional requirements, yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 268.99 270.64 Um I've TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 267.08 268.99 Wait. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 260.2 261.68 Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 261.68 267.08 Well my name is Jens Damman, but we're in a group, and I I will start it. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 272.68 275.37 used a marketing report on uh the site. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 275.37 278.85 Uh I think you've uh read it too. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 278.85 282.95 Uh and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 283.68 288 I I didn't read i read it, so it's not for me, I didn't get it uh anyway. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 288 288.92 It's only for you. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 285.97 286.64 You didn't read it? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 286.93 289.88 No, I didn don't thing we got it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 289.88 290.23 Yes. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 290.02 298.31 Okay it was uh uh uh um um a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 287.91 290.02 Oh okay, I I was the only one who get it. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 289.64 289.94 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 298.6 308.23 And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 308.92 315.27 So I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 315.27 319.6 So we can use this uh to uh create our own remote control. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 319.6 324.42 Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 330.75 336.2 Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 325.12 330.75 Yeah, I think uh uh that's a lot, so we have to make a beautiful remote control. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 342.97 348.72 Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 348.72 355.64 Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 336.53 342.97 I think this fits uh at the uh what what uh Michael said about uh older people. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 356.96 361.69 Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 364.23 367.78 I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 367.78 370.28 But that's one of our requirements. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 361.69 364.23 Well okay, that's uh normal. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 369.77 372.42 The last point is quite an interesting TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 375.39 377.93 Um Martijn alr already said it. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 371.73 375.39 Yes, fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 377.93 383.01 And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one, but TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 375.68 376.32 So if we TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 377.57 377.77 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 384.34 385.77 I don't think it's uh TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 386 389.23 Yeah, we should have the ten percent on the on the top, then you're you're TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 386.87 387.45 reachable. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 388.96 390.3 Yeah, the ten percent on the top, yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 397.78 406.18 That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 392.16 394.46 Um uh page two. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 390.3 392.16 That that's a good one. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 394.46 397.78 Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 389.83 390.27 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 406.67 413.36 Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system, so when you clap your hands it will beep or something. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 413.36 416.44 Uh you must find it uh quickly. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 415.66 416.17 Uh. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 416.77 418.52 Maybe just a button on the home station. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 418.52 422.94 So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 431.38 434.35 Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 426.72 431.38 Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 423.07 424.78 Okay, yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 424.78 426.72 Yeah, we can uh combine that. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 438.78 441.76 But it's uh a tough one. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 434.43 438.78 It's only uh th thirty four of the thirty four percent. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 441.76 450.65 Because if we make a ha whole new product, our own style, we we c uh this is so difficult, uh a difficulty I think. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 460.05 465.4 I don't We we haven't Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 452.34 455.47 Uh next, remote controls are bad for R. S. I. . TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 455.47 460.05 Yeah, but only if they zap a lot, and they watch over five hours T. V. or something. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 480.64 481.97 We already thought about that. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 465.99 468.48 Okay, last page. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 477.91 480.64 And uh an L. C. D. on the remote control. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 474.48 477.91 We didn't uh think about that already. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 468.48 474.48 Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets, like uh speech recognition. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 494.06 496.06 And but they're more critical. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 482.59 494.06 Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 499.67 507.32 But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features, because they're in their old uh thinking way. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 507.32 510.98 And they want to keep the old uh things the old things. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 496.33 499.67 And older people uh want to spend uh more money. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 511.16 514.96 So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 513.61 519.25 But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 518.2 518.5 People. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 518.5 523.27 So yeah, so we just can skip the L. C. D. r on the remote control, because TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 531.85 533.2 Um then TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 521.41 531.85 I I think we can speak, uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly, because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 522.37 522.71 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 527.91 528.92 It's too Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 526.89 527.91 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 530.86 531.14 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 537.16 543.09 Okay, that's not very good, because I thought about television, D. V. D. player, stereo and V. C. R. . TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 534.25 537.16 I have my personal uh preference. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 543.09 544.21 I had a question about. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 544.21 546.6 But it's already out of the question, this. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 547.23 555.88 Um my point is, well, I If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 555.88 558.76 I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 558.76 560.13 But it's the exercise. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 561.76 562.42 Yeah, probably. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 560.2 561.76 Because it's too expensive. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 561.29 568.89 Yeah, only only for television uh On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 568.89 573.86 And we only make it for television, so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 573.89 576.53 Yeah, but good usability, so you can use it. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 577 579.36 Okay, I told about the home station. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 579.36 584.59 Uh it must be simple, because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 587.07 589.88 And we put the fashion in electronics. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 599.73 602.79 We have to be um Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 596.25 599.73 We we have to make a a new product. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 589.88 596.25 And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 585.04 587.07 And I I found a motto. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 604.39 606.29 One of a kind, I think. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 605.86 609.66 So it has to look uh uh uh unique, but TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 608 608.44 Unique. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 608.43 612.25 The company is about our uh th th their own fashion, their own style. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 612.09 613.39 Yeah, I reckon TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 612.14 612.39 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 613.32 615.02 But old people are not looking for that. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 615.51 616.78 Uh I think mm TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 616.38 616.96 Not really. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 617.45 618.58 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 625.21 625.62 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 618.58 625.21 I think the main thing is the usability, that's where we can uh make it a special product. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 617.52 618.22 Uh TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 622.21 622.45 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 623.22 626.9 Yeah, to k to keep it simple when you Sorry I thought about it, yes. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 624 624.61 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 624.61 624.8 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 633.22 638.48 But we have to make sure that we're better usability, and stand out by just looks of it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 638.48 641.63 So make it just a different colour or different shape, so TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 625.15 633.22 But uh we also have to stand out, 'cause there are already, like you said, so many controls out that support lot of stuff. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 641.84 642.24 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 640.84 641.84 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 643.07 644.97 Okay, this was uh my presentation. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 644.29 644.64 Thanks. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 645.72 646.03 Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 648.48 649.6 I don't Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 649.6 651.52 You can ask some questions or something. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 649.13 651.01 So Paul, you can do the next one if you want. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 652.37 653.01 Yeah well TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 650.87 652.37 Okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 654.98 655.83 Uh. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 654.99 659.07 It's on the on the uh net net uh thing, isn't it? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 657.61 658.05 There it is. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 667.03 668.43 Technical functions design. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 666.05 667.03 Okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 670.23 673.91 Okay, well, so we have s mm uh broad audience. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 680.03 683.57 Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 675.41 680.03 But um we have elderly people, so we need to keep it simple. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 673.91 675.41 Isn't that isn't true anymore. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 691.84 696.37 Not too full, like uh Jens already said, only ten percent is being used. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 684.8 691.84 So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 697.08 700.63 So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 701.75 706.96 But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 700.16 701.75 Yeah, I have it on the next page. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 706.96 717 Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use, and 'cause you have more room then, and for elderly people big buttons. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 723.08 726.27 So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 717 723.08 Uh an icon on it or text on it, so it's very clear what that buttons does. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 701.88 702.16 Okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 727.49 735.44 Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 736.75 742.97 just ask some random people, elderly people what they use, what they want on a remote control TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 742.74 743.07 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 744.32 745.19 to find out. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 745.19 746.94 But there is already in a TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 748.82 751.22 Of functions I could think of. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 751.22 754.84 Uh volume, channels, the the basic according to. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 748.3 748.82 one done. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 756.13 758.12 Just one two three etcetera. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 758.12 759.34 Uh text service options. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 766.82 773.94 I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 760.5 762.38 Um basic on-off. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 762.38 766.82 And I found an uh Could I think of favourites? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 773.94 778.57 But if you could make a new option, that you just have to press one button and you get on your TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 773.36 773.83 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 778.78 782.36 Yeah, but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 782.36 785.41 So you might as well remember the number. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 786.66 786.96 Or not? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 787.48 787.95 No y TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 790.28 791.6 It's a good idea, but TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 787.56 790.28 Maybe i maybe it's too complicated, but not sure. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 791.73 797.26 So I'm, I u I would find it handy, I think, when you just press one button and you get on six six six. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 789.65 791.73 Well it's It was just a thought. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 798.2 806.95 But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 797.8 798.2 Yeah, okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 825.48 826.57 Just numbers. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 821.64 825.48 And if you make favourites, it can say six six six in a row. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 806.13 809.24 Well uh what I was reading on the page. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 818.94 821.64 So uh button six says says six. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 826.57 828.26 That can be in the in the TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 809.24 815.97 Uh a remote control just sends commands, basics commands to uh the television. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 815.97 818.94 So switch to channel six. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 807.45 808.28 Uh TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 818.33 818.56 Yeah? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 826.65 827 Yeah okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 827 832.06 But uh uh for a user to to remember, if I press that button it goes to that channel. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 833.07 834.44 Well if you said a favourite TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 834.71 838.06 Yeah, but isn't it hard to remember? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 838.06 839.48 Like favourite one and TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 840.21 846.22 Uh mayb for me it's If I use my telephone, I never use those buttons to to to call sh Never. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 840.27 840.96 Well i TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 840.69 842.78 Mm as as hard as TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 846.03 846.25 Oh. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 845.29 846.03 Never? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 845.75 846.68 No, neither do I. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 846.89 847.36 Oh are you? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 846.92 848.55 So And TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 848.24 849.57 Okay now, m maybe not. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 850.15 854.25 If I don't do it, maybe old people TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 855.76 856.2 Right. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 856.2 857.44 They don't like new features. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 853.77 855.76 No, maybe elderly people uh. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 857.44 858.13 So maybe not. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 855.28 856.13 Yeah, I dunno. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 858.3 858.63 Mm-hmm. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 861.41 863.77 I dunno if that's usable when TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 859.42 861.41 Um well play, pause. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 862.83 865.28 It's not, it's still not It's not anymore n uh TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 868.06 871.22 I dunno, miss Did I miss any other buttons, basic buttons? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 866.03 868.06 Right, on off. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 864.8 866.03 Not anymore for T. V. . TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 873.09 873.91 Um TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 873.31 876.3 I couldn't think of any other, 'specially not for T. V. . TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 877.76 879.45 No, that's the only th the only thing you need. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 876.49 877.76 Just on the front as well. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 879.53 879.93 Is TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 885.29 885.71 I don't thi TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 882.53 885.29 Previous I know, but next channel? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 879.64 882.53 Uh uh the p uh next and previous. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 884.96 888.42 Just the channel um uh What I mean is uh TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 887.73 888.29 Forward. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 888.5 891.4 Li like a web browser, so Oh, okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 891.4 897.5 But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 889.01 892.09 Six seven eight or five. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 891.21 892.16 Just very simple. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 898.66 900.74 Like a web browser back button. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 902.26 903.7 I don't have Uh I did TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 900.05 902.26 Um I dunno. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 902.06 906.49 Uh Yeah, I know what it is, but I think it's all too difficult for old people. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 906.19 906.66 Uh TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 904.82 906.19 No. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 905.22 906.63 Yeah, I don't think you use that. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 906.63 908.36 Y only when you want to go to TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 906.43 907.21 Yeah, okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 909.49 913.1 Yeah, just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 918.08 920.65 Normally you can press one, zero or TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 913.02 918.08 And how do you want to uh do it, like if you have a channel above ten? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 913.11 913.41 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 919.74 925.26 Yeah, I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 925.26 926.36 So you have that uh TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 927.55 928.87 A ten plus or TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 928.34 929.85 Yeah, the ten plus button. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 929.85 933.23 Just uh one one pressing, or quickly after each other. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 933.27 933.58 Okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 935.05 937.68 To just keep it simple and standard uh features. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 943.06 944.87 Maybe the elderly people TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 938 943.06 Yeah, w wouldn't it be a problem to uh Because you h have to be fast enough. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 951.65 953.71 But you can have a button that says um TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 949.59 951.65 That's how the uh the T. V. T. V. handles it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 944.53 949.59 Uh yeah mayb But I think that's in the T. V. as well. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 945.52 946.91 It gets some seconds. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 955.48 957.77 two two st two stripes. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 957.77 962.03 So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 955.65 957.92 Yeah, it's it's no it's not a TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 956.76 957.56 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 955.85 956.76 Oh okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 959.47 960.92 Yeah, but that's th mm TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 969.62 976.18 It's the T. V. who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 962.87 969.62 It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T. V. um do one two. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 962.05 962.87 It's what Paul says. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 972.34 972.82 Okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 986.12 992.42 and that And not for elderly people to look, one two uh press and aim and TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 981.7 986.12 So we have a a period of, I dunno, five seconds to press those buttons, TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 975.67 981.7 So if you have a universal T. V. controller, you needed one button that has two uh stripes. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 976.47 976.83 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 981.43 981.79 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 986.84 987.23 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 995.92 999.94 Because if we only have that l only f No. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 993.22 995.92 But do we still need a two level remote control? TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 997.07 998.34 It's only for television now. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 998.21 1000.45 So I I don't think so. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1010.2 1012.96 And then uh navigation uh TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1000.45 1002.91 Uh I just thought of another one. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1007.65 1010.2 So you also need a menu button. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1002.91 1007.65 Most things in modern T. V. s are also on the menu. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1000.19 1000.48 No. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1007.3 1007.76 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1014.42 1018.4 But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next, so you have TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1014.77 1015.45 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1033.26 1036.63 Because you n almost never use menu button. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1036.63 1037.11 So TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1024.07 1033.26 like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things, and uh the menu button. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1019.59 1024.07 I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use, TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1020.51 1021.14 four arrows. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1036.29 1038.49 Yeah, okay, but um TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1040.4 1043.98 You'll also have to use a mute button to to TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1038.01 1040.4 Maybe it's still still a good idea, I'm not sure. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1045.49 1046.02 Don't think so. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1043.5 1044.52 Yeah, a mute button. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1044.52 1045.49 Yes. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1045.26 1048.2 Maybe, not I don't know where where you have to put it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1055.17 1056.49 What we're gonna use. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1056.49 1058.53 And later we can d uh do the design. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1052.25 1055.17 Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1049.35 1052.25 Yeah well, that's that's I think that's the layers that produce. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1055.94 1056.16 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1055.41 1055.94 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1056.16 1056.98 That's right. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1055.06 1055.41 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1056 1056.58 Okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1062.58 1064.54 Uh using the standards, basic TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1059.63 1062.58 Okay, uh now my personal preferences. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1065.46 1070.67 Um I think that we should stand out uh unique, being unique with the design. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1076.08 1081.41 So when you are in the shop and you see our T. V. controller hanging, that it stands out. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1072.15 1076.08 So we have to, I dunno, uh make a different shape than usual. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1081.41 1082.83 Not just in in the row when you see TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1084.08 1085.68 all the same uh remote controls. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1085.72 1086.79 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1086.79 1090.25 Does it have to be Uh it has to be uh with different colours or TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1086.82 1087.51 Um TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1090.85 1091.38 I dunno. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1091.38 1093.32 Different colours um TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1095.28 1097.45 You can choose blue or yellow or TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1093.1 1095.28 Maybe we can give it out in different colours. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1096 1097.78 It's like a iMac or something. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1097.78 1098.88 Just to make it TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1097.99 1098.5 Mm-hmm. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1099.97 1100.66 Or Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1098.6 1098.94 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1098.94 1099.97 Well why not? TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1101.29 1102.76 That's uh fashion. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1100.21 1101.29 That's fa That's fancy. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1104.43 1105.58 It's only twenty five Euros. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1105.58 1107 It looks very cheap if you make it TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1102.23 1104.43 But it looks cheap as well, because it's a small thing. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1110.95 1111.17 Oh. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1107.4 1110.95 Well, maybe you can look at uh mobile phones. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1110.15 1111.64 Oh, you just I dunno what happened. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1112.9 1113.2 Who? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1117.33 1119.06 Yeah, we have to look at mobile phones, that's right. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1119.06 1119.3 Just TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1118.75 1121.4 They they're uh designed very well. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1125.8 1130.55 You think you can't make a T. V. controller too small, 'cause then you will always lo always lose it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1121.4 1125.8 And well basically are the same, just a bit smaller. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1121.54 1121.77 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1130.84 1131.02 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1132.01 1134.39 But uh well, I think that's a good example. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1135.08 1135.95 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1138.43 1139.4 Is it fin Are you finished? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1139.4 1139.68 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1135.49 1138.43 Okay, we hurry up a bit, because otherwise we won't make it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1140.89 1142.43 I think we discussed everything. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1138.43 1140.89 Well uh Yeah, I I'm finished. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1137.16 1138.43 Okay, sorry. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1153.19 1153.83 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1155.48 1157.19 Well, the working design. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1158.82 1161.6 The method I used is uh search the web. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1161.6 1163.51 Just the web page provided. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1165.01 1166.06 Um TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1174.21 1184.16 Um basically what happens is you press a button, uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button, uh like a switch. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1167.41 1174.21 Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated, but uh I could figure it out. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1190.55 1198.16 So like you press a one, that circuit is closed and uh Then the chip produces a pattern. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1184.66 1190.55 And by closing that certain circuit, the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1206.95 1212.52 That's the uh light emitting diode, I think. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1218.22 1220.4 That's un uh invisible TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1199.73 1206.95 Like a Morse code to uh And and sends that to the uh L. E. D. . TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1212.52 1218.22 Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1221.59 1223.25 to the human eye. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1223.25 1226.26 And uh transmit that uh to the T. V. . TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1242.59 1246.51 So that's er uh do two different things but TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1240.41 1242.59 Because infrared is not visible. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1228.28 1236.79 However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1236.79 1240.41 And that's uh another diode, I believe. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1236.36 1236.91 Mm-hmm. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1245.63 1249.54 So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1247.92 1248.58 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1248.58 1250.09 I I think so. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1250.09 1252 I I'm not sure if it's the same thing. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1250.05 1254.51 Uh j Is Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1251.33 1252.67 Yeah, it's I think it's usable. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1253.65 1254.58 Yeah, that's active. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1254.96 1256.17 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1256.17 1260.09 Or just a green one, because it's If you use it, it's green or the red, it's r green. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1255.16 1255.48 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1256.15 1257.04 So TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1260.83 1261.76 Maybe uh TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1260.4 1260.83 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1263.3 1264.27 It's not uh TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1261.34 1263.3 I I think it's in the case that it's active. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1265.19 1265.76 So TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1264.28 1265.19 Yeah, when you press it. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1264.54 1264.98 Yeah, that's right. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1264.98 1265.64 But if you TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1265.23 1267.73 I it's it's just uh the the TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1267.41 1267.66 Two? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1267.73 1271.96 Red's l shows up like something's wrong, and green is like it's okay, you press the button. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1271.61 1272.1 Mm. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1274.56 1278.57 Ma on on most on most uh uh remote controls it's red. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1278.57 1279.13 So TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1272.92 1274.56 Yeah, I dunno. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1274.31 1275.88 Maybe depends on uh TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1279.31 1280.19 Okay, we make it red. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1278.51 1279.31 Yeah, I know. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1278.68 1278.98 Yes. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1278.72 1279.2 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1279.99 1280.63 So I know. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1282.21 1284.22 Maybe integrate it in the design as well. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1280.1 1282.21 But maybe Well we don't have to make it red. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1285.11 1290.74 You have to The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1290.74 1291.33 Uh that's cool. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1300.35 1301.14 Uh maybe. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1290.7 1300.35 I I think uh the batteries will be uh a little Yeah, okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1291.49 1295.05 Uh Oh, maybe it's it is would an e No. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1295.05 1295.81 Just uh TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1291.5 1299.05 Empty. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1297.08 1299.36 No, we have a recharger in it, so TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1298.71 1299.2 Oh. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1300.83 1303.07 If we can still make that then TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1304.5 1306.15 It's just to indicate something's on. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1302.6 1304.5 Yeah, but it doesn't have to be red. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1305.77 1306.11 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1306.74 1307.09 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1307.09 1307.81 That it's working. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1307.81 1309.58 That it's not not the batteries are low. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1308.84 1312.04 It's it's not very important, so yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1308.11 1308.84 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1308.55 1310.22 But it's cool if it was green. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1310.22 1312.47 Green or red or whatever, it is cool. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1312.45 1313.67 Just to indicate it's working. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1311.39 1312.45 Yeah, I know. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1313.6 1314.36 So mm TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1315.01 1317.72 And uh the receptor in the T. V. senses the pattern. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1327.1 1332.89 We have to really understand what patterns are used, so we can uh o On the Otherwise it won't work. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1317.72 1323.9 So we have to understand what patterns are used to, you know, to make it universal. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1323.9 1327.1 So that it can be used with all the T. V. s. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1334.05 1339.65 So we have to uh make buttons for that as well, to make it uh TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1338.67 1339.05 No. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1343.71 1350.36 So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to, y you know, to Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1350.36 1351.16 That are working. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1339.05 1343.71 I I uh The chip um uh is producing the pattern. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1347.9 1348.41 Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1349.68 1354.21 An automatically search function for each television, or something. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1356.42 1357.84 It wasn't explained there. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1353.4 1356.42 Yeah, or I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1367.21 1371.69 And you have to put in a number, so it works on your T. V. . TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1357.78 1367.21 Well, I I use a universal uh remote control, and list of all the T. V. s you have, etcetera. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1358.12 1358.67 Uh I kno TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1369.94 1370.37 Yeah? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1372.12 1372.64 Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1374.38 1380.57 And the modern one you you uh you type uh search, and the LED began to blink blink blink. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1387.28 1389.19 And you can stop it, and then it's okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1372.64 1374.38 Oh, I have a modern one. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1380.57 1385.69 And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1385.69 1387.28 And then you know, oh it it's the right one. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1388.99 1389.59 Ah okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1389.38 1392.8 So you don't have to search for your television or your code. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1392.8 1395.95 It uh search uh the pattern for itself. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1392.39 1393.07 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1397.62 1402.13 So it uh We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1402.13 1404.32 Because you have to Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1396.16 1397.62 Okay, yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1396.19 1397.59 Okay, so we use that. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1402.11 1402.66 Yes. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1402.77 1402.96 Yep. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1404.57 1409.26 I just say Can you s just say it again, because I was just looking There's just a short TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1415.63 1421.88 But uh ma basically for uh brands of T. V. these patterns are different. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1411.4 1415.63 That's uh when the circuit is closed, it produces the pattern. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1409.41 1411.4 Well uh y you have this chip. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1408.28 1409.41 Uh okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1411.37 1411.61 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1413.75 1413.98 Mm-hmm. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1422.29 1425.96 So like when you press a one on one T. V. it go go to one. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1425.96 1428.48 And on the other T. V. it won't work, basically. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1444.01 1445.55 And um TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1434.97 1444.01 And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah, changing this pattern all the time. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1428.9 1434.97 So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1434.25 1434.5 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1440.54 1441.7 Changing the signal. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1453.69 1463.96 And when it's uh switched off, you can push a button as uh it's working now, so And then he saves that setting and then um it's working. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1446.57 1453.69 What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern, this chip, uh is trying to switch off the television. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1461.43 1461.97 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1461.97 1462.15 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1464.22 1466.4 Yeah, that's the right uh option. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1465.36 1465.86 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1470.66 1475.34 Yeah, that's a bit technical, and I hadn't I w I was a little short on time. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1467.69 1470.66 Well uh the components. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1485.16 1488.94 Um that's connecting to all the components. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1479.9 1485.16 Um the energy source is uh the battery, basically. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1476.51 1479.9 Um but I think I understand it. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1484.36 1484.77 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1494.7 1497.35 Uh the subcomponent is uh w TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1490.18 1494.25 Because it has to be fed with energy. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1494.25 1494.7 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1501.84 1505.5 So basically when you press a button, a switch get closed. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1498.57 1501.84 I I think it is uh the button pressed. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1506.64 1509.35 Um that's connecting to a chip. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1509.35 1511.81 So the chip knows what button you pressed. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1518.26 1520.67 I didn didn't put the description by this one. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1522.01 1524.81 So the normal flashing light. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1520.67 1522.01 Th this is a normal bulb. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1513.28 1518.26 And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1525.23 1527.55 So that's the LED, L. E. D. . TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1524.7 1525.23 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1528.11 1531.79 But this one is producing infrared light that's invisible. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1526.81 1528.11 Yeah, and this is a LED too. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1526.22 1526.81 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1531.79 1533.97 And this one is producing normal light. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1530.75 1531.36 Yeah, okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1533.86 1536.69 So we can make the normal one also a normal light. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1536.69 1538.12 Not a LED light, but as a normal one. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1539.44 1540.45 Yeah TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1539.88 1541.26 To flash up your TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1541.47 1544.88 Uh if you if you use the buttons, uh both of them works. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1544.88 1547.89 But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1548.07 1548.32 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1558.15 1560.03 So you have to indicate that it's TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1550.69 1558.15 Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work, it can Basically if the battery is low, it won't work. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1548.47 1550.69 Yeah, presu Yeah yeah yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1556.97 1558 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1558 1558.58 Yeah, and TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1564.04 1566.16 So you see green if you push that button. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1559.98 1564.04 Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1566.92 1568.91 Huh, that's a good idea. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1567.11 1570.43 Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1570.3 1574.63 Yeah, but if you u if you do that, you know that you're uh sending a signal. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1574.63 1576.52 And it's you also know which button you p TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1570.89 1571.9 No, y Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1575.25 1579.19 But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1573.58 1575.25 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1579.41 1580.31 Yeah, that's right. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1580.31 1580.92 But it TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1580.37 1581.37 Everywhere in the r TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1581.62 1585.65 But does it make any difference for the energy you use? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1585.65 1586.65 You got still one LED. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1585.79 1592.82 No I don't think so, but Yeah, i it it will look different, and I think we need to find something else. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1592.82 1593.09 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1591.91 1593.02 That looks different, yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1593.54 1593.76 Hmm. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1594.11 1598.79 'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard, and our uh motto also is TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1598.74 1600.58 Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1600.84 1604.51 Yeah, w around the buttons, or in the buttons even. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1605.63 1606.43 Yeah, okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1607.3 1611.29 Yeah, but mm like when you push it n n Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1615.87 1620.33 Or or m maybe on top of the A green light is flashing or TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1611.29 1613.02 You have your finger over the button. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1613.02 1615.87 So you can see Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1608.6 1611.36 Yeah, then then won't Then you won't see it. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1613.98 1615.39 It must be around it then. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1619.78 1623.95 Not not not not here, but here. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1619.05 1619.78 Yeah, then Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1623.71 1624.04 There. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1624.04 1624.29 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1623.34 1623.71 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1626.43 1627.29 Maybe uh TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1631.07 1631.9 If you push TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1627.47 1631.07 The same as a telephone, or a mobile phone, or what do you mean? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1629.61 1630.74 Yeah, we're thinking about it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1630.74 1632.83 Uh on a mobile phone, in the dark uh TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1633.34 1634.11 Everything lights up. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1632.75 1633.34 It lights up. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1634.11 1635 That's a good idea. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1634.99 1636.88 Why ain't that on a remote control? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1634.07 1634.99 everything lights up. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1634.94 1635.41 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1636.12 1639.57 It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1638.37 1640.99 Yeah, if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it, it's TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1639.21 1639.82 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1641.28 1641.6 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1641.96 1643.69 Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1641.38 1641.96 It's f Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1643.97 1646.62 Yeah, i if you're in the dark, you can't see the remote. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1644.34 1644.62 Mm-hmm. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1647.06 1648.06 It's only few LEDs. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1649.75 1650.23 Four LED. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1648.06 1649.75 Only four or something. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1647.23 1647.43 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1650.88 1651.5 No, I dunno. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1651.5 1655.94 But if we use a battery station, which I think we will use TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1656.02 1657.25 Yeah, I uh TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1656.79 1658.34 Yeah, that's a good idea, okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1657.8 1658.13 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1658.13 1660.05 We'll have enough power to TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1659.9 1662.83 Everything agre Everyone agrees with that, or Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1662.09 1662.41 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1662.15 1662.45 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1662.71 1662.87 Yep. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1664.01 1671.72 Maybe what Paul said, uh under the on the on the home station, uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control, that it beeps. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1665.89 1666.56 Yeah, and then you TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1671 1671.91 Okay, yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1672.39 1673.37 And also it's TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1672.68 1674.95 But you have to make a sound device in it then. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1674.86 1676.17 Yeah, there must be sound in it. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1676.69 1676.96 Hmm. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1676.85 1677.41 But Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1677.89 1679.44 Okay, it shouldn't take much TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1678 1678.56 I dunno. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1679.26 1682.22 B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1679.05 1679.26 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1685.21 1687.69 Because it's i it has to be Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1687.69 1690.03 Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1683.62 1685.21 Especially for that kind of money. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1688.44 1688.6 Bec TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1685.44 1688.44 Mm uh, twenty five Euros, I think we can make it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1687.32 1687.79 Uh I th TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1690.79 1696.19 But but we only have to make it for television, and um we must have something special. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1696.19 1696.9 So TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1689.93 1690.79 Twelve and a half, okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1693.49 1694 Yeah, okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1694.02 1700.91 I think uh you also have uh remote controls with a lot of options. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1700.91 1704.85 But we lose about ninety percent of those options. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1704.85 1707.14 So I think you can uh TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1705.1 1705.56 Uh. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1706.94 1709.22 We have to give our customers some extras. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1709.46 1710.45 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1710.45 1711.88 I think we will save money with that. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1710.21 1710.84 Yeah, okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1713.03 1715.25 Are you almost finished or just TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1712.76 1713.03 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1719.78 1721.04 But um TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1714.77 1717.87 Yeah, the the personal preference, I didn't fill it out. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1717.87 1719.78 Because I was short on time. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1719.2 1719.96 No worry. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1717.93 1718.69 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1718.69 1719.2 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1722.33 1727.12 Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1727.72 1729.47 Yeah, I just want to talk some about some more. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1729.47 1730.95 So maybe you have to Yeah? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1730.95 1731.21 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1730.19 1730.65 Yeah? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1730.65 1730.94 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1742.85 1745.7 So this Oh, sorry. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1745.7 1746.66 Wh what's that? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1756.85 1757.85 We have to have a look what they are. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1757.85 1761.45 They're still in um TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1752.42 1755.09 So uh Oh, sorry. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1755.09 1756.85 We have some new uh project requirements. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1763.47 1767.38 Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1771.56 1772.19 I'm not sure. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1767.38 1771.56 So a teletext option, maybe we have to skip that one. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1772.19 1773.24 I don't think so, but TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1772.33 1776.72 No, and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext, still use. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1772.53 1773.17 No. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1774.59 1777.04 Yeah, and it's it's on your comp it's on your television. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1777.91 1781.03 So I don't think it is We definitely should use it. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1777.04 1777.91 It's only one button. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1781.03 1782.06 Um TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1778.2 1778.47 Uh. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1778.42 1779.01 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1779.06 1779.41 Hmm. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1784.29 1786.39 The remote control should only be used for a television. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1786.39 1787.59 So that's maybe easier. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1783.17 1784.29 Yeah, that's uh what I told you. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1789 1792.97 And um the the forty plus people, I already told you. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1797.51 1798.53 Oh, this is a problem. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1798.53 1800.8 Oh sorry about that. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1796.83 1797.51 Oh no, sorry. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1805.21 1809.13 So it should be flashy or just more interesting. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1800.8 1805.21 The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1809.13 1809.75 I'm sorry about that. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1809.75 1811.55 I just I just didn't read it well. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1807.16 1807.88 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1807.24 1808.4 Oh. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1808.4 1808.68 Mm. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1808.28 1809.98 Okay, that's It changes things. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1812.88 1816.35 So does it make some decision about that? TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1814.82 1815.38 Changes. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1815.94 1817.52 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1817.52 1820.1 That kinda changes the whole situation. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1816.97 1817.77 Um TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1818.42 1818.99 Uh TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1830.62 1831.4 More modern. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1823.48 1830.62 I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way, to make it more like a mobile phone. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1821.04 1823.48 Well yeah, then we have to make some nice features. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1828.49 1829.46 That still stays. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1830.5 1830.93 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1831.71 1832.02 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1832.94 1834.97 That's important I think and TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1834.67 1837.76 L. C. D. doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1838.09 1844.07 And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control, especially when you only have T. V. functions on it. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1843.79 1844.25 Oh. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1845.63 1845.89 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1845.72 1853.1 Mm ah I I don't y you'll use it often, because you can see on the television wh what channel you TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1845.97 1846.82 So TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1854.7 1856.09 Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1851.81 1854.7 Oh, I'm watching uh the channel one. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1856.09 1857.01 No, it's not TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1859.47 1861.26 So, but uh Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1855.26 1859.47 Yeah, I tho I think that's not usable. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1861.26 1863.65 What other features can we put in? TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1858.29 1858.73 No. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1864.23 1865.62 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1871.44 1880.47 And uh then the usability is not that required, because the Like in the mobile phones, usability is not that good I think. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1865.62 1871.44 I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1888.55 1890.8 Is that reachable maybe? TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1893.38 1895.34 Twelve and you've got twelve. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1885.94 1888.55 About you said one and the television turns on one. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1890.8 1892.1 That's very That's fancy. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1879.53 1885.94 But uh some of you had uh something to read about um uh speech uh recognition. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1892.1 1893.38 That's cool. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1891.14 1891.95 I didn't read TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1892.82 1894.33 It's very fashion. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1895.31 1895.9 Yeah okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1893.32 1895.31 I didn't read any b Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1896.8 1897.59 Mm. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1899.36 1902.49 But only the numbers, one to twenty or something. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1902.49 1903.27 That should be cool. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1898.42 1899.36 Uh furthermore nothing. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1896.84 1898.42 Only the numbers, only numbers. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1897.06 1897.63 I I know. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1902.33 1902.52 Mm. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1903.44 1905.19 Yeah, maybe we have to integrate that as well. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1907.69 1908.12 But TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1906.37 1907.69 If it's possible. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1907.39 1908.64 If it's possible, I dunno. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1908.64 1909.73 I didn't read it. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1908.29 1909.11 Yeah, I don't know. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1912.14 1913.26 You only have a microphone in it. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1908.97 1911.04 I don't think it's very expensive actually. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1911.04 1912.14 Why should it? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1909.61 1909.69 Mm. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1911.55 1915.58 Uh if i if i I didn't have information about that. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1911.59 1913.15 Yeah, I think it's TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1913.63 1914.46 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1914.46 1915.69 But it has to work. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1915.69 1920.23 And and and does it have to work only in English, or in Dutch too or TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1919.54 1920.27 Nah, maybe TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1920.33 1921.83 Ah that's a problem, but TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1922.21 1925.17 And and uh w Yeah? TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1924.12 1925.07 Only in English I think. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1923.13 1924.12 Uh only in English. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1926.29 1931.8 Uh does your uh Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1924.1 1926.29 What But uh I dunno how that works then. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1927.66 1930.34 Yeah, it's probably my job to figure that out, but TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1933.02 1933.79 No, that TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1933.04 1935.19 uh one to have in channel one? TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1937.81 1939.89 It's more if we if we do it. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1936.35 1937.81 But do do we do it? TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1934.66 1936.35 Yeah, then th we have to think about that. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1938.11 1938.94 Yeah, I dunno. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1938.94 1941.02 So, is it very usable? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1941.02 1942.18 That's what I'm looking at. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1942.62 1946.05 And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing or TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1944.85 1945.21 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1946.53 1947.4 Is TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1949.02 1951.85 It We have short time to to put it on the market, so that TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1946.81 1949.02 Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1949.4 1950.13 Yeah, I dunno. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1952.44 1952.72 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1952.85 1955.11 We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1952.85 1953.83 Mm Yeah well TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1955.78 1956.99 Yeah, I think so. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1956.95 1960.15 We make uh make uh, we can make th th the new remote control very flashy. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1956.97 1957.99 Yeah, and uh and uh TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1958.08 1958.45 It's TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1962.64 1965.53 Uh because we we have a lot of languages. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1960.03 1962.64 In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1963.25 1964.44 I d Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1964.44 1972.02 I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1963.34 1963.49 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1964.92 1965.7 And and TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1972.48 1979.28 Yeah, and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition, you can just throw the uh TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1972.55 1972.93 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 1972.93 1973.64 I think so. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1977.52 1977.93 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1984.33 1985.83 Yeah, it's not uh TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1979.2 1984.33 A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke, and the T. V. turns uh to one. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1980.55 1981.53 the remote away. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1984.17 1985.1 Mm. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1985.1 1985.56 Yeah, okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1982.52 1983.27 Mm. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1983.27 1984.17 Hmm. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1990.89 1992.68 Not just one, but TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1986.6 1990.89 And then you have to say uh T. V. channel one, or something. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1985.28 1986.6 Well yeah, that's the right command. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1984.86 1985.28 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1986.61 1987.11 But TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1990.58 1991.38 Hmm yeah, TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1992.4 1993.44 T. V. one. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 1992.4 1997.61 Okay, but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1998.45 1999.05 Well I dunno. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 1999.05 2002.17 But I don't think, it just ain't useful enough. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 1998.61 1999.16 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2002.7 2003.04 Mm-hmm. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2009.65 2014.13 Do we, do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2014.13 2020.42 Do If you press something, it lights up for a few seconds, so you can see what other but buttons there are, okay? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2003.11 2004.52 So we have to make some decisions. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2004.52 2009.65 So you can see on the uh So we have to know what we're going to put on. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2004.81 2006.25 Okay, no speech recognition. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2014.13 2015.07 Yeah, I think so. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2020.61 2021.22 Yeah, that's good. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2021.41 2021.6 Yep. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2021.55 2023.67 Okay, we just take that one. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2023.67 2025.09 And what else, we have TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2024.76 2026.14 Also the one in the dark. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2026.14 2027 So uh TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2029.76 2030.29 I didn't TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2028.11 2029.76 It lights up when it's dark? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2029.61 2032.45 Yeah, but it's Oh th I thought would, that that would be the same. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2032.45 2034.61 If you push something, it it all lights up. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2032.69 2033.16 Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2033.75 2036.44 Yeah yeah, it it mustn't work all the time. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2038.96 2046.36 So if you No, if you use one button, it must turn uh on for twenty seconds, and then it must turn off. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2033.13 2033.75 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2036.44 2038.96 It uh uh it have to work only when you use it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2033.91 2035.2 Yeah, but um TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2036.4 2037.41 Yes, that's what I mean. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2039.26 2040.77 Or you can switch it on or something. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2041.08 2042.33 Or maybe when you yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2043.5 2044.36 It lights up all. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2047.04 2048.46 It's the same as the telephone. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2045.27 2046.52 You have to Yeah, that's right. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2046.52 2047.04 That's what I said. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2044.56 2045.27 Yeah, that's right. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2048.46 2048.88 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2048.83 2048.94 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2047.32 2048.83 D Yeah, alright. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2046.82 2047.32 Okay yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2058.59 2061.59 Or just a normal remote control. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2055.23 2058.59 Like a iMac, if you can look through it. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2051.25 2055.23 And do we use a a Uh what's it called? TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2060.52 2064.44 Maybe just as an option, w like we discussed, like iPod. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2064.44 2067.08 Different colours, uh maybe use even different fonts. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2060.55 2062.66 Mm, maybe it's a good idea. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2067.71 2067.92 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2067.73 2068.42 Oh yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2068.19 2069.1 Like uh phones. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2070.25 2073.09 Okay, so y you just make it th through You look through it? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2069.54 2070.25 Different colours. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2073.09 2073.35 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2070.54 2071.1 Hmm. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2072.05 2073.3 Mm, that's cool. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2070.86 2072.05 A see-through. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2072.54 2073.08 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2073.08 2074.57 Uh as an option maybe. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2075.39 2078.85 And so the buttons we have, this is, yeah, this is normal. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2078.85 2084.73 We put in the the simple buttons on the top, and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2079.44 2080.2 It's the standard TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2081.64 2083.18 Yeah, uh TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2083.48 2085.58 But you have You had a lot of different buttons. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2083.88 2087.87 Yeah, we but we don't We don't really have any complicated buttons. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2086.05 2086.39 Hmm. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2086.91 2091 Yeah, maybe you have you have to Uh when you use teletec teletext, TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2091 2097.02 you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one, or to go to the previous one. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2093.82 2094.74 Yeah okay, but TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2095.82 2098.98 Yeah, well w I think the buttons are very easy. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2098.98 2102.88 With just uh standard buttons we just have so little TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2101.69 2107.82 O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2107.82 2109.38 Because you ne almost never use it. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2107.5 2112.84 No, I don't need don't need Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2122.79 2123.34 So uh TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2113.67 2122.79 Yeah, but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2122.71 2123.51 Yeah, that's right. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2122.9 2124.03 I use teletext as well. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2123.04 2125.62 No, I use te teletext every day, I think. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2126.28 2126.73 Okay. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2125.71 2126.28 Hmm. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2130.62 2130.84 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2128.57 2130.62 So we just keep it one level then? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2126.92 2128.57 For me too, it is. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2126.44 2126.92 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2137.03 2139.84 You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2130.21 2131.13 Yeah yeah, one level. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2131.13 2137.03 And I think, uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons, I think the design is most important. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2130.85 2130.98 Mm. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2136.98 2137.21 Yeah. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2140.78 2140.92 Yeah. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2140.9 2142.16 'Cause simple buttons. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2142.16 2144.04 If you put one above it, it's clear. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2142.46 2142.78 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2144.36 2144.63 Okay. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2146.77 2153.87 So that's it for toda for We're going to have a lunch lunch break. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2153.87 2154.65 Um TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2156.67 2157.69 How long is lunch break? TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2159.86 2161.13 So yeah, you know what you have to do. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2161.13 2162.34 This is uh this is it. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2163.58 2165.55 You get your meal and everything, so TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2166.4 2167.76 Okay. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2165.32 2166.4 Trendwatching. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2167.76 2168.3 That's fine. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2166.96 2167.34 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2175.89 2176.23 Yo. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2182.06 2183.19 We're going to have some lunch. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2179.9 2182.06 So, we're finished for t for this time. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2183.37 2183.83 Okay. TS3004b H01 MTD015UID 2193.37 2193.69 Bye. TS3004b H00 MTD013PM 2203.1 2203.27 Yeah. TS3004b H02 MTD014ID 2203.12 2205.42 Yeah. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2208.89 2209.05 Uh. TS3004b H03 MTD016ME 2207.82 2208.89 Mm. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 46.06 46.57 Bonjour. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 46.07 48.52 It's It won't wake up. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 51.2 51.38 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 52.56 53.04 Like TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 51.38 52.56 I was a bit early. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 56.81 57.37 Why? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 56.85 57.61 What? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 58.66 60.76 Uh normally I was one of them. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 57.61 58.66 No, I just came in. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 61.38 61.79 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 63.89 64.53 Come on. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 64.31 66.06 Check check check check. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 64.7 66.58 Hello. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 66.58 67.04 Oop. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 66.45 67.64 Why won't it wake up? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 78.2 78.7 Is it on? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 87.57 90.3 The power light doesn't work. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 90.3 90.98 You turned it off. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 92.08 92.54 But how? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 94.96 95.77 Ah, there it is. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 96.04 96.39 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 97.9 98.39 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 98.79 98.97 Uh. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 108.47 108.7 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 99.44 105.46 I received an email with uh a few possibilities on uh the materials. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 105.46 108.47 So I'll discuss them with you. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 106.88 109.71 Okay, we're just going to the later. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 107.27 107.92 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 112.29 114.74 Yeah, I received an email as well. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 113.65 116.13 So we're going to talk about the conceptual model. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 115.39 115.98 Oh. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 130.85 131.34 Hmm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 131.68 132.66 Which one was mine? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 135.94 137.22 Uh okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 133.43 135.94 So that's me. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 137.22 138.37 So Uh okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 141.21 150.02 Okay, so I just show you the m the no mm mm the the the the the the minutes, minute. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 150.02 151.61 What's it called, I dunno. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 151.61 152.54 Whatever. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 155.27 155.81 The minutes. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 170.38 174.52 Okay, so we just talked about uh Oh you want me to show that there or TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 175.01 175.83 Uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 175.42 176.63 No, just tell us. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 175.42 176.45 Mm no. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 180.49 186.88 People don't want to spend money on something that's similar to cheaper ones. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 186.88 187.96 Um TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 176.25 177.59 Okay, we just talked about it looks. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 177.59 178.55 Has to look nice. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 178.55 180.49 Usability is very important. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 189.25 191.77 It has to be very basic, not too many buttons. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 196.57 199.41 Uh text T. V. still has to be a possibility. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 193.44 196.57 Light switches on if you use a button. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 201.17 203.24 And it has to be easy to learn. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 204.42 209.31 That were the things I uh make minutes of. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 216.99 217.44 That right? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 209.31 215.51 And the functions are volume, channel to choose channels, an on-off, a mute uh button, and a text T. V. button. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 215.51 216.99 That are the functions. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 217.75 218.11 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 218.21 218.71 Yes. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 218.5 219.6 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 219.6 223.43 So I just want to give you uh Mike again, the first uh TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 224.56 225.94 presentation of your TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 226.23 226.98 Shall I start? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 227.27 227.67 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 236.6 236.81 No. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 239.41 240.31 Okay well TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 241.55 243.04 I received an email TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 245 245.51 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 263.35 266.69 It has been done in Italy uh Italy and in TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 254.42 263.35 I searched the web, uh and uh I searched uh on this d document, recent investigation of the remote control market. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 280.41 283.45 So it's very important for us to create something new. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 283.45 289.88 So what Michael just said, it must be uh some very different from ordinary uh remote controls. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 268.2 271.86 uh another country in Europe, I forget it. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 271.86 280.41 Uh but uh they found out the most important aspect for remote controls happens to be a fancy look-and-feel, instead of the current functional look and feel. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 290.14 294.87 Fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and interface. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 300.95 304.2 It uh is twice important as the following. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 298.81 300.95 Uh it came out of the research. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 304.2 310.43 The second uh most important aspect is that a remote control should it uh technological innovative. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 296.23 298.81 Uh this uh aspect is the most important one. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 314.99 326.14 And then uh that uh This is a point of discussion, because we just decided that we don't make use of uh L. C. D. or uh speech recognition. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 311.02 314.99 Uh that stands for uh uh new technical uh features. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 326.52 326.74 Hmm. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 326.64 338.23 But um this is the second uh important uh aspect, and I think uh we must use some of the new technology, to be uh innovative. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 338.27 340.8 But we already have the flashing flashing light on the TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 342.69 350.5 We have to discuss about it s uh Okay, uh features not uh do not exist in current remote controls. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 350.5 352.06 And that's very hard I think. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 340.43 342.69 Uh maybe maybe something new. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 341.48 342.54 Yeah, more. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 342.79 343.12 Hmm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 343.98 346.59 Well, I'll I'll get back on it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 344.41 344.77 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 362.4 366.08 Um I've got one picture. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 357.15 360.1 But uh that was an overall uh point. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 353.08 357.15 Uh the third one is the aspect of the remote control should be easy to use. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 360.1 362.4 We already discussed that. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 366.08 369.82 Uh d our our target group uh we thought about was young and trendy. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 370.09 370.4 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 370.76 374.3 So I took uh that part of the webpage. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 374.3 383.53 And it says uh fashion-watchers of uh uh Pari uh France and uh Italy, yeah, uh have detected the following trends. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 384.36 390.76 This trends I th uh trend I think it's not um that meaningful for us, maybe. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 406.36 406.81 Spongy. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 394.42 402.83 But the uh the next uh aspect also in contrast to last year, the feel of material is expe uh uh is expected to be spongy. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 390.76 394.42 But it's about uh clothes and shoes. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 402.83 406.36 But spongy, what what does spongy says? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 394.77 394.94 Hmm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 402.78 403.22 Spongy. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 405.38 406.07 Spongy. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 406.12 407.48 Spongy, like sponge. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 408.77 409.68 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 409.69 411.05 So rubber, kind of. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 410.86 412.54 Uh soft materials. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 412.13 412.41 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 419.14 421.07 So it has to be flexible. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 412.36 419.14 But maybe th that's al definitely a good idea, because you've you're you drop y your remote control very often on the ground. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 418.91 420.52 Yeah, but Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 421.27 423.19 Yeah, it's something that uh it stand there. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 425.91 428.5 So spongy means y Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 419.88 421.27 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 423.19 425.91 But I didn't knew uh knew what it means. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 427.89 428.69 It's like a sponge. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 428.72 430.07 Soft, sponge. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 430.45 431.95 So it's also a stress-ball. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 432.68 433.89 That's a good That's a good idea. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 435.01 436.4 That's good, a good idea. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 433.89 435.01 If it's de like that. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 436.4 440.06 Is it a bit like like the the the the remote control? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 432.98 434.61 Yeah, somewhat like TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 435.12 436.25 Yeah, but Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 436.25 437.35 How are you gonna make it? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 441.31 442.01 R. soft. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 442 443.07 Uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 442.48 448.35 Yeah, I've some uh material uh information, but I'll give you it later in my presentation. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 446.87 447.33 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 448.24 449.07 Okay? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 450.26 451.97 What do I think? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 451.97 458.89 Uh because a fancy look is the most important thing uh for remote control uh control, I think about changeable fronts. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 460.08 460.59 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 460.11 463.86 Uh maybe a see-through one in a a fruit front. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 463.86 465.84 Because it's uh it's hot. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 465.84 468.93 And uh some basic uh colour fronts. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 484.32 491.05 Just uh something round in it, or uh maybe not uh not uh Yeah, I dun dunno. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 469.33 474.64 Uh so we can make uh five different fronts to start with or something. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 474.64 479.49 Uh maybe an extraordinary shape, like a sponge. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 479.49 484.32 Uh or uh, yeah, just another shape than a normal uh remote control ha uh has. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 491.05 492.31 We have to discuss about that. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 484.57 484.77 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 492.87 494.16 Uh y yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 501.35 502.85 Maybe speech? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 500.08 501.35 Yeah, how do we do that? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 502.85 504.75 We ma must have some kind of gadget. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 494.16 500.08 Main point uh still uh is the technolo technological innovative. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 505.21 506.42 Yeah, I'll get back on that. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 507.88 508.48 So TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 507.89 508.31 Hmm. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 508.86 512.79 It's very uh difficult to to to do it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 512.79 515.98 Because it's only twelve and a half Euros you have to spend on every remote control. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 512.08 512.61 Intro Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 514.78 515.92 Yeah, that's the problem. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 515.92 516.66 That's the main problem. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 515.03 518.14 Well, I got f also an email from TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 519.05 519.67 So TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 519.24 521.05 the the technology department. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 520.82 523.84 Maybe we watch the first uh the next two presentations. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 532.01 532.52 Well TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 528.25 532.01 So they recommended using it. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 522.01 528.25 They have done uh research about it, and uh even more possibilities now with speech. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 531.7 532.36 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 532.27 532.58 Hmm. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 532.27 533.13 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 533.13 537.92 Uh let's first watch Paul's presentation first then. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 533.57 535.07 I'll check what they exact mean. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 537.12 538.36 So uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 541.27 543.9 But maybe it's cheap and it's easy to implement. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 537.88 541.27 Yeah, well actually we have don't have an idea how much it's gonna cost. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 543.96 552.38 I d They don't say how much it will cost, so Um but uh if we implement uh speech recognition TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 542.66 543.96 Yeah, th that's the only problem. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 552.38 555.51 I think it would be better to implement L. C. D. as well. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 550.04 551.1 It's mass production. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 551.1 552.89 So you can say, you can TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 549.09 550.04 Oh. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 556.71 559.08 Since you have to uh configure speech thing. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 558.83 561.79 But that's definitely more expensive than TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 560.91 562.39 Yeah, that's that's something I dunno. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 563.3 564.13 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 566.35 572.19 So we can start a mass production, and then the cost will still will be. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 564.13 566.35 But how uh we we're gonna make many of those. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 572.71 577.57 But a telephone also have a L. C. D. and and it's about t two hundred Euros. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 577.57 578.17 So uh TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 569.11 572.71 Yeah, but a telephone Okay, yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 574.79 576.33 Yeah, so uh we gotta de TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 578.21 579.22 We have to decide on that. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 578.58 579 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 580.54 581.09 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 583.03 583.86 That was this? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 585.25 586.22 Mm uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 586.13 588.43 Oh I got an email uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 589.88 596.32 And it says uh the chip can be uh simple, regular or advanced. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 596.32 596.89 And TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 598 598.59 Um TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 606.24 610.22 And this is more expensive than all the other chips. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 601.1 606.24 They say uh a display requires an advanced chip. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 610.22 612.45 So it's m the most expensive. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 611.29 613.05 L. D. C. doesn't require TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 615.4 617.38 The display requires an advanced chip. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 613.91 615.4 Yeah, it says in the email. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 618.54 619.78 And speech recognition? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 617.67 618.54 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 622.28 626.08 I I haven't got anything about speech recognition, but TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 620.84 622.28 Yeah, probably too. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 621.99 622.77 Advanced. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 622.77 622.97 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 627.78 629.27 I'll I'll give you my design. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 632.52 634.98 If we're doing uh if we're doing a display. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 628.47 632.52 Well it d That's that's the most expensive chip, we need. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 634.24 636.91 So we Well we can TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 633.85 634.24 Yeah okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 648.09 648.84 I had uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 651.9 654.89 So I did some searching on the internet. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 650.29 651.9 to make a sort of a design. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 654.89 659.3 I watched the old remote controls and news com remote como uh remote controls. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 672.94 674.08 Y yes. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 665.62 670.95 I think we should go more to the iPod and M. P. three players. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 660.15 665.62 I think we should um This is one of the modern remote controls of the moment. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 672.41 672.94 More modern. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 670.95 672.41 Mobile phones. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 670.4 673.35 Yeah, just modern modern but still uh basic. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 674.34 678.79 Um you probably have to make it a bit bigger and a bit smaller. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 689.41 692.92 But looks uh I definitely think we should go like this. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 687.07 689.41 So that's that's the main difference. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 678.79 684.15 'Cause remote con control, you can see it here, you have to bo reach both out both sides. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 684.15 687.07 And here you just have one, few buttons. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 694.15 697.07 And then changeable fonts, so TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 697.67 697.95 Hmm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 698.48 700.82 It's the most important part, I think. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 700.82 704.73 But And the home base is something like that, something simple. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 710.17 712.34 On-off, mute. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 706.23 709.2 Well and then I just ordered the the buttons a bit. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 714.79 715.73 Text buttons. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 709.2 710.17 Uh basic buttons. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 712.34 714.79 And th maybe two others, I dunno. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 714.77 716.6 Yeah, maybe the teletext tel TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 720.68 726.43 I don't find it very usable, but it's Uh I don't think it's fits in the the modern theme as well. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 717.69 720.68 And then the colour buttons, if we want it on. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 716.27 717.69 Yeah, text button, maybe there and there. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 722.33 725.12 No, I don't uh I don't like it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 722.44 722.87 No. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 726.96 727.3 Hmm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 738.37 739.1 And I think TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 727.23 732.24 So and then yeah we saw the the pla display, in the the iPod. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 732.24 735.61 They can put the basic buttons, one, two, three, four. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 735.61 738.37 And uh f above ten. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 738.39 740.02 But it That's on on the display. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 740.5 741.21 No no. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 744.79 746.48 And I think we should uh light this up TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 742.73 744.79 But it's on the place of the display. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 741.21 742.73 That th there is no display there. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 747.75 749.6 much more than that part. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 749.6 752.51 So the focus is on these two parts. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 749.79 750 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 753.2 753.35 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 753.64 756.37 So you don't see all the buttons you else need. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 757.46 763.04 Because um the volume and channel is on the on the the bottom of it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 763.04 765.34 So you can't use your thumb for it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 756.02 757.46 But it sounds very difficult to use. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 762.06 763.35 Uh well um TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 769.23 770.07 Um TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 767.35 769.23 This is how it is now. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 771.34 773.2 Here uh Well we have volume. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 774.56 776.57 I think it is on uh on the bottom too. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 774.82 775.57 Yeah, down there. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 776.82 778.49 But it's not not the best best. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 778.11 780.23 Well here we have also side scrolls. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 777.51 778.11 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 783 784 Do we want to use TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 781.49 783 I dunno if we can use that. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 781.7 783 Yeah, okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 783 785.07 Yeah, I've I've got something of that uh too. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 785.8 786.27 Yeah, why not. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 782.97 784.48 Yeah, for volume. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 784.48 785.8 For volume, or a channel. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 785.94 786.37 For volume? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 786.37 789.01 Well then we can even simplify it more. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 787.03 787.6 Scroll. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 793.22 795.39 And and just channel buttons here. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 790.7 793.22 By just putting the volume on the side. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 793.34 794.34 And the channels as well. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 795.42 795.79 Oh yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 800.32 806.72 And you can't use them now with your thumb, because the thing is not, it's not easy to control. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 796.6 800.32 Yeah, or uh maybe uh The channel buttons are often used. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 796.62 797.98 But I think uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 804.61 805.33 Well. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 805.33 806.53 Yeah, well it's TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 808.41 810.37 Basically it's it's here. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 811.54 818.23 Yeah okay, m maybe we cho should put that on top, and buttons we we don't use on, in the bottom. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 815.17 816 Yeah, that's better. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 816.68 817.32 They're on top? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 821.17 822.51 Put that on the button bottom. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 817.82 821.17 Yeah, just th th th other buttons like text T. V. . TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 825.7 828.36 You can't hold it th the control and push the buttons. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 823.99 825.7 Because uh you can't hold it. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 824.53 826.74 You mean uh these to the low? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 826.07 826.76 Mm-hmm. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 826.76 827.07 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 828.36 830.07 Except from the on-off button. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 831.69 832.27 Well, yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 831.04 831.69 Oh okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 832.88 841.61 But I I think w you'll use uh the switch channels buttons uh more often than the normal uh channel buttons, like one two three. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 842.81 844.33 So maybe we can put that on the bottom. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 843.33 844.48 Mm TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 845.89 847.48 I dunno, but yeah we'll TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 845.62 845.89 Maybe. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 849.78 853.1 Like zapping is just switching one channel at a time. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 856.05 857.66 So I think uh it should be TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 854.17 856.05 It's harder to zap. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 852.04 854.17 Yeah, maybe it's not easy if it's below. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 858.9 860.4 should be easy to. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 861.7 864.73 I think it's pretty standard, these rubber buttons on the top. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 865.22 865.81 Yeah okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 865.81 866.83 That's that's good, but TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 871.71 876.21 I think it's modern to light this area up, and to light this area up. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 865.97 871.71 And uh if you don't light 'em up, they don't uh you don't see 'em very good. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 876.21 879.36 So the focus gets on these parts and not on there. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 879.96 880.43 Yeah okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 884.25 887.29 It's s We have to look uh what's easy to use, and how it's easier to use. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 882.08 884.25 But uh the position of course can be different. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 887.5 887.78 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 888.52 896.45 So we can uh switch these to I dunno if it l will look good, if you put those on t on the bottom half. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 890.91 891.16 Hmm. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 900.21 901.34 They sh Those should be on top. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 901.34 903.43 But uh we we can switch those two, yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 896.69 900.21 No, I think th the the top buttons are okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 901.29 904.17 Yeah, maybe Those two, yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 900.14 901.29 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 904.17 910.53 And uh, yeah, you have to make sure it's easy to uh Yes, it has to be big enough so you can hold it, right. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 909.95 910.48 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 928.49 933.99 I think that, if we're gonna put in more technology, that you need to be able to uh switch it open. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 912.05 913.37 Well that's that's my findings. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 916.57 918.32 M. P. three player. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 918.32 928.49 And uh well um if we want to put in speech rec recognition or something, we I don't think we should put it on top then. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 913.37 916.57 So uh my personal opinion is that we should go more modern look. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 935.48 936.02 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 935.52 936.13 To use TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 935.65 935.96 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 935.96 936.54 Yeah, that's cool. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 942.55 945.12 Which won't look good on the front side I think. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 937.13 942.55 So if you put in uh speech recognition, you need so more uh many more buttons. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 945.55 945.92 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 946.1 946.36 No. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 948.21 950.05 So that's something we have to decide on. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 950.43 951.68 Yeah, we have to keep it simple. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 952.4 952.62 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 952.58 957.94 We have to decide this this lecture, or this this this uh fifty minutes, yeah, how it is gonna look. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 955.76 956.88 What we're gonna do. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 956.88 957.27 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 977.5 979.2 Okay, the component design. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 982.5 986.7 I looked at uh some similar devices, and uh my own common knowledge. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 992.34 1001.64 If you aim at a young public, you should use materials that are soft with primary colours like green, blue, red. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 989.44 992.34 So uh this was on the web site. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1001.64 1002.07 So TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1009.69 1011.53 Not Nothing square-like. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1005.19 1009.69 Uh shapes should be curved, so round shapes. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1003.59 1005.19 flashy kinda colours. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1011.63 1014.19 Okay, so Hmm, okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1017.35 1020.3 And it is well curved square. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1014.49 1017.35 Yeah well uh iPod is trendy. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1017.31 1017.86 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1019.95 1020.37 Like. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1019.4 1019.95 Square. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1023.68 1028.16 So we shouldn't have too square corners and that kind of thing. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1020.77 1023.68 Yeah, but mm is uh has round corners I think. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1022.86 1023.38 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1023.38 1025.55 So not TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1027.6 1030.33 Not uh the old uh box look. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1027.13 1027.6 Yeah okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1029.18 1029.45 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1031.1 1035.29 And um sports and gaming device style characteristics. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1036.4 1043.02 I don't know exactly what that means, but it should be, well yeah, popular kind of TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1044.2 1044.68 Mm. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1044.52 1045.46 looking, I think. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1051.22 1052.27 So the colours also. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1044.61 1051.22 Yeah, we have to put our Real Reaction logo as well on the on the remote control. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1052.27 1055.17 So we have ha to ma make it in black, black, yellow. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1049.16 1049.54 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1050.99 1052.49 Mm Yeah, it's TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1055.8 1056.22 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1056.26 1057.29 Black yellow control. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1058.02 1060.88 Maybe the sides in yellow and the the the top in black. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1058.44 1059.05 Yeah, mm n TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1060.33 1068.07 Not that weird, because we definitely want to make it kind of flashy, to attract a young public. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1068.25 1073.16 Yeah, but uh I don't think the the colours black and yellow go well together. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1073.16 1073.35 But TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1074.08 1074.78 No, okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1074.78 1075.79 That's a that's a sen TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1074.15 1077.79 We make i Maybe you can put yellow on the side and black on the on the front. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1078.48 1080.15 That's just a matter of tastes, but TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1080.42 1080.97 Yeah, okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1081.09 1083.8 We have to use uh kind of flashy colours, I think. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1090.66 1091.94 Can we do that? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1083.33 1090.66 Uh can't we use um different uh fron uh fronts, with all with the the logo on it? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1091.94 1092.36 So TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1090.49 1090.93 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1092.46 1093.54 And still trans TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1091.38 1092.46 Yep. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1090.56 1091.38 Yeah, it's cool. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1091.9 1095.11 Like fronts in in red and yellow and blue and TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1095.16 1095.75 So TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1093.86 1095.16 Yes. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1094.78 1095.08 Oh yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1095.17 1096.54 Still still transparent. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1096.96 1097.42 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1097.16 1097.54 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1097.54 1099.57 But with all with logo on it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1099.56 1099.99 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1101.03 1103.33 Well this is a remote control, a very old one. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1113.96 1115.46 But we are making it uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1105.57 1109.98 Um Then the components. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1109.98 1113.96 The case has just a Here's black. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1114.29 1117.02 Yeah, we make it som Maybe we have to make it from soft material. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1117.02 1118.06 Uh I'm not sure. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1118 1118.97 Yeah, I dunno. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1118.88 1119.99 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1120.93 1121.4 Maybe. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1125.42 1127.22 We decided that, huh? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1127.22 1127.39 S TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1123.67 1125.42 But anyways uh it should be transparent. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1134.28 1136.03 So you can just replace them I think. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1127.14 1128.86 Well one of the options. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1128.86 1134.28 You can Just like a mobile phone, you can make um different fronts on it. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1132.9 1133.53 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1136.79 1137.79 Yeah, we could do that. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1137.24 1139.73 That was the idea, or just uh release one. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1138.63 1139.28 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1142.73 1143.84 Five different TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1139.28 1142.73 Just give five with them, just in a box. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1142.77 1145.05 Yeah, uh Or just uh sell different ones. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1148.92 1150.54 So you can still th look through it. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1143.56 1148.92 Yeah, but y you could you could make 'em uh uh like blue and transparent. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1149.89 1150.32 Cool. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1149.38 1149.89 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1149.7 1150.18 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1150.18 1150.33 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1151.75 1153.79 Um the buttons. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1153.79 1155.4 Normal rubber I think. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1157.54 1158.01 Soft. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1155.4 1157.54 Like normal ordinary buttons. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1157.44 1158.49 Yeah, I uh I dunno. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1158.49 1159.38 A more TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1158.15 1158.79 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1162.34 1163.58 That's better prob Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1158.79 1162.34 It it could be like a Nokia, like plastic. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1160.48 1161.96 Uh uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1160.69 1161.71 Yeah, just uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1162.02 1163.51 With the hard hard buttons. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1163.13 1165.36 I think uh rubber really has an odd look. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1166.11 1166.5 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1167.46 1172.41 The the the new uh new modern uh remote controls, TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1166.25 1167.46 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1172.41 1178.23 uh the buttons are part of the uh the style, I think is part of the remote control itself. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1166.28 1166.59 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1178.13 1178.56 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1182.49 1189.53 Uh it's n doesn't Is uh a button uh um How do you say it? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1189.53 1193.54 It it didn't it i it don't come out of the on the background. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1178.3 1182.49 It it's one uh a one uh out of one shape. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1193.54 1196.28 It is in uh the c a remote control uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1189.51 1191.14 Yeah, it's it's all on one level. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1192.18 1193.54 Yeah, on one level. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1195.09 1195.25 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1196.5 1197.48 Yeah, I know what you mean. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1201.57 1203.98 Like th the top it's Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1199.61 1201.57 So we have to keep it on the one level. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1201.81 1202.2 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1202.16 1203.58 Yeah, like mobile phones. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1204.7 1205.21 Uh just TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1203.58 1204.7 Like uh the iPod. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1205.16 1205.85 Yeah, okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1207.17 1210.15 Okay, it's chos So that should be hard plastic. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1210.15 1210.95 Then the buttons? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1207.39 1207.97 Yeah, that's cool. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1212.25 1212.68 I think. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1212.68 1213.66 Or maybe TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1214.9 1215.18 But TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1212.7 1214.9 I dunno what uh kind of material it is. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1219.58 1222 Just only the basic uh TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1215.55 1219.58 But maybe you can m make a uh round fluff or soft material. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1215.55 1215.82 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1220.7 1220.94 Oops. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1223.05 1225.32 basic remote control from normal plastic, and TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1225.81 1226.15 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1226.49 1228.01 the rounds of it from softer s TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1228.65 1229.04 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1229.39 1229.57 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1250.28 1251.32 So if you put TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1241.8 1244.41 And back light L. E. D. s. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1244.41 1250.28 So But I think we have to make the case transparent, otherwise the back light won't work. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1235.18 1241.8 The normal infrared L. E. D. I think s sufficient. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1230.15 1235.18 And um Then the L. E. D. . TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1231.24 1231.55 I dunno. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1244.06 1244.19 Y TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1244.88 1245.13 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1245.59 1246.02 Cool. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1251.02 1253.78 Y i if you The numbers could be can be Yeah, that's right. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1250.71 1251.02 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1250.75 1253.54 Uh you can just make them around the buttons uh Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1253.72 1254.33 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1255.42 1256.78 Or it runs the whole TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1259.14 1260.78 So Or no TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1257.26 1259.14 Yeah, but we can still make it transparent. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1259.92 1260.79 They can choose. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1260.08 1264.29 Yeah, you can halfs transparent, or just that it's comes out a bit. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1265.84 1266.64 Good. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1266.64 1269.28 And in green colour, the back lights or TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1264.58 1265.84 Yeah okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1269.28 1270.91 Different, I think, also. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1271.24 1271.46 Yeah? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1271.68 1272.88 Blue. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1272.9 1273.98 Blue or red. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1275.04 1276.89 Uh depends on the colour of the TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1273.98 1275.04 Whatever you want it, I think. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1273.51 1274.01 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1276.01 1278.68 Yeah, but you can't choo You can't choose it when you buy it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1278.68 1279.65 You have to choose TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1277.03 1278.87 Uh i TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1279.61 1280.16 But TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1278.74 1279.61 Yeah, that's true. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1279.78 1283.77 No, but I think there are multiple colour LEDs. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1283.77 1284.51 So TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1284.76 1285.55 Is it Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1285.21 1288.46 Yeah, but can you change it if you already bought the the remote control? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1288.46 1288.74 You TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1286.91 1287.29 Is TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1285.93 1286.91 I I know I dunno. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1288.48 1290.75 'Cause this a mo mib uh mobile phone as well. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1287.72 1288.48 Yeah, it can. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1288.79 1289.53 Yeah, okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1292.8 1293.42 I think it's TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1289.98 1292.8 Maybe it's it's more impor more expensive. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1291.15 1292.54 Maybe put some different ones in it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1292.54 1293.07 Doesn't matter. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1293.07 1294.38 It's just No, just some LED. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1293.25 1296.18 I have the mo mi I have a blinking light on my phone. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1296.18 1297.48 And I can change the colour of it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1297.77 1298.27 Okay, cool. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1298.27 1299.45 Just make it some different colours. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1299.45 1300.85 Blue, red and green, or something. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1301.27 1304.6 Maybe it's too expensive, but it I th I don't think so. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1300.71 1301.27 Yeah, I dunno. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1307.02 1307.27 So TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1303.11 1307.02 Well, we don't put put in any fancier technology yet. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1306.82 1307.19 Hmm. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1307.36 1310.06 Then uh some more technical things. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1315.84 1324.22 Um this is the normal circuit board, like a chip board in in a lot of uh things. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1324.22 1329.96 W So we d we just need this and this transistors and resonators. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1329.96 1331.81 There's all these kind of things. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1311.47 1315.84 I don't know what it is, but it should be there I think. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1323.62 1325.99 Yeah, we have to hurry up a bit, so TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1332.19 1337.28 Um they they basically said that that's almost the same on any uh remote controls. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1337.28 1340.55 So I guess we j we just need that. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1340.55 1342.2 I don't know what they do or TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1333.24 1334.48 I'm sure we can fit in. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1340.27 1340.45 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1343.04 1345.9 Okay yeah, you can you can change Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1345.9 1346.22 No. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1343.09 1343.54 Yeah okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1343.54 1344.2 We just TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1347.9 1350.57 Nah, but they just said we need it. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1350.57 1356.37 Uh the battery contacts, like normal batteries ca you can put in. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1350.52 1351.16 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1355.92 1357.25 Yeah, a recharger maybe. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1357.3 1358.93 Yeah, we have to make sure to uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1358.34 1359.02 Yeah but TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1357.58 1358.34 Yeah okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1358.43 1360.04 We still want to have a recharger, don't we? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1360.04 1360.92 Is that still the TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1360.41 1360.79 Yes. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1360.04 1360.41 Yes. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1361.33 1365.51 Yeah, but it i We don't wanna have a ar an How do you call it? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1365.51 1365.89 Accu. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1366.95 1368.1 A recha Oh no. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1368.1 1368.83 Uh Battery. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1369.73 1369.95 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1368.83 1369.73 It's just a battery. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1368.41 1369 Base station. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1367.61 1368.41 Re recharger. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1368 1370.76 Y uh just just batteries, rechargeable batteries. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1370.93 1372.91 Yes, rechargeable batteries, I think's best. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1369.98 1370.93 Yeah, batteries. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1375.97 1378.97 And uh a chip, that's this one. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1372.82 1375.97 Not a separate Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1371.7 1372.82 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1374.44 1375.93 No, just rechargeable batteries. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1383.83 1392.06 Um for the energy source we can use batteries or a kinetic uh Like with the pulse watch. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1392.06 1395.42 So it operates on your wrist kinda. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1380.58 1383.83 Then uh I received some possibilities. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1392.58 1393.31 Ah cool. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1395.14 1395.64 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1396.23 1397.75 So if you hold it, it gets powered. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1396.49 1397.13 If you hold it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1396.69 1400.67 But normally you put a remote control on the table or on the couch. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1402.75 1405.39 But you mostly use it indoors, so TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1399.05 1402.75 Yeah, I don't think it will work, and Or we can also use solar cells. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1404.41 1404.89 No. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1403.35 1404.41 It's dark in the room. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1404.89 1406.41 It's just batteries, that's cheaper. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1414.84 1419.29 Uh two D. curved is um like front to the back. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1406.43 1409.83 Yeah, and and we can use the home station kind of thing. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1419.29 1421.36 And three D. curved is also in depth. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1409.83 1414.84 Um cases, flat, so uncurved. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1409.01 1409.31 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1421.86 1422.32 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1433.87 1435.88 So we can't use the flat buttons. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1426.96 1433.87 Uh but with three D. uh curved uh remote controls, we must use rubber buttons. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1423.35 1426.96 So that's possible. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1435.32 1436.99 So we need uh two D. . TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1434.2 1435.32 Mm. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1437.36 1438.12 Yeah, I think. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1437.47 1437.74 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1438.7 1439.27 Definitely. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1439.48 1442.32 Um these kinda materials can be used. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1443.53 1445.73 But it doesn't really matter, we just make it plastic. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1445.95 1446.24 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1446.87 1448.42 Yeah, I think so too. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1448.66 1449.69 The scroll wheels, that's cool. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1449.69 1450.48 That's for the volume. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1450.98 1452.94 Yeah, scroll wheels um TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1453.4 1453.58 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1455.25 1456.94 Yeah, that's good. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1459.2 1461.24 But I think just the volume is enough. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1456.94 1459.2 We can use multiple scroll wheels, w if we want to. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1459.58 1459.98 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1460.94 1465.88 Uh For channels it's not handy, because you scroll too fast. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1463.79 1464.1 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1465.68 1467.32 And uh the L. C. D. . TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1467.32 1473.47 So we need uh the expensive, most expensive chip, if we use an L. C. D. . TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1467.75 1468.37 Mm TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1475.08 1476.09 Just skip it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1476.09 1479.13 Because we don't have time for that to to put it in. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1473.21 1475.08 I don't think that's an opportunity. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1482.29 1483.91 So th so the regular chip. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1483.91 1485.28 Because we use scroll wheels. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1477.73 1482.29 Okay, then we we use m must use the second most expensive chip. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1485.63 1486.5 Yeah, okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1486.12 1486.47 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1487 1488.48 And um TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1489.73 1492.07 Yeah, that was it I guess. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1492.07 1496.37 Uh are are we using a a rubber case, or We haven't decided yet. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1490.76 1491.41 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1495.37 1497.59 Oh just sk Maybe you have to skip that one as well. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1497.59 1498.1 It's TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1497.88 1500.14 Uh I don't think a rubber case looks TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1498.83 1502.85 Uh but we have to do something about the trend. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1510.73 1513.86 And uh now we have nothing about uh about those those two. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1502.85 1510.73 The trend is uh spong spongy uh and uh fruit or fresh fresh. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1499.16 1501.62 L Yeah, i it it should be soft. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1501.62 1502.34 You said so? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1510.49 1512.37 That Uh fruit and veg, or TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1509.94 1510.49 Yeah, okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1513.98 1515.84 Yeah, fruit and veg can be just the covers. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1516.12 1518.17 Uh yeah i Just Just on front. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1520.54 1524.02 I can't imagine a soft remote control. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1517.04 1520.54 So you can the the spongy yeah, I dunno. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1522.07 1522.36 No. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1522.58 1524.8 Neith uh I don't like it uh neither. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1525.48 1527.82 No. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1526.02 1527.1 I just can't imagine it. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1527.13 1529.82 So just hard plastic? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1529.82 1530.13 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1529.11 1529.41 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1532.44 1533.45 It's mentioned here uh. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1529.9 1530.94 Yeah, I think. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1530.94 1532.44 Titanium. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1533.4 1535.6 Titanium, uh I think it's too expensive. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1539.65 1540.15 Just a bit TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1537.62 1539.65 Not the sh the square form. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1535.41 1537.62 But maybe the form has to be a bit different. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1541.13 1543.52 Yeah, you can make it curved or mm round. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1543.52 1545.69 But just in two D., not in depth. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1541.67 1542.8 more rounded. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1542.8 1543.29 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1545.13 1545.35 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1546.61 1547.43 Yeah, that's right. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1546.97 1547.82 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1556.69 1557.67 So TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1564.72 1566.99 Because we have to know it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1569.25 1570.19 We already know that. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1566.99 1569.25 So the energy uh is the recharger. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1564.03 1564.72 What exactly. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1560.68 1564.03 We have to decide which one we're going to choose from these. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1571.58 1573.57 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1573.57 1575.6 The chip-on-print is a normal one. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1570.19 1571.58 Just a normal battery. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1569.98 1570.41 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1570.41 1571.7 We have batteries. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1576.27 1576.51 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1576.8 1577.22 Regular. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1577.3 1579.31 Okay, the case is just a plastic one. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1582.75 1584.54 So it's b should be regular uh the second. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1580.76 1582.75 You have the simple one, regular and advanced. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1578.72 1580.76 Yeah th yeah, the chip is the the regular one. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1580.52 1581.95 Yeah, re Yeah, regular. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1581.95 1582.97 Yeah, okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1582.97 1583.78 Yeah, regular. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1585.1 1585.57 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1587.66 1589.7 I think I'll just check it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1588.56 1593.8 And we need a plastic case, with a scroll wheel. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1594.63 1595.1 Yes. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1595.85 1596.59 That's pretty much it. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1597.01 1597.36 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1599.5 1600.8 User interface concept. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1599.63 1601.35 And a flashy light. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1611.01 1612.68 But TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1607.54 1611.01 But we do I don't know if we expected to draw on this one at this moment. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1605.67 1607.54 So uh I'm not sure. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1613.99 1614.69 I dunno either. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1616.62 1618.14 Or should we do it in the next meeting? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1615.33 1616.62 Mm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1617.07 1622.08 Uh I. D. and U. I. D. work together on prototype drawing on smart board. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1621.87 1622.32 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1623.63 1624.13 That's for th TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1622.32 1623.63 That's for the next one. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1622.23 1623.47 So we should did it here? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1623.6 1624.58 So we're staying here? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1625.08 1626.72 Or should we do it in the next meeting? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1625.51 1627.99 Uh that I think that's the next next meeting. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1627.99 1628.51 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1629.49 1632.55 But you definitely get a specific instruction. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1632.33 1635.33 Okay, so now we're ka thirty minutes alone again? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1632.8 1633.16 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1639.62 1640.76 Just And more TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1636.74 1639.62 But th think about something that's more rounded. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1642.6 1646.23 But the iPod and etcetera, M. P. three players, mobile phones. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1641.63 1642.6 Yeah, uh I dunno. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1641.99 1642.78 It has to be TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1646.95 1648.75 Just just on the top or on the bottom. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1646.4 1646.95 Uh a bit. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1647.94 1652.74 Just a bit cur Okay, I'll see if I can see any of those. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1652.81 1654.95 Maybe the wheel can be uh like uh like this. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1654.95 1658.19 O um if you draw it like this, you get a TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1660.65 1661.33 What the fuck is it? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1665.51 1666.21 Mm TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1664.67 1665.51 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1667.79 1669.58 Doesn't work. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1670.91 1672.51 If I draw here TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1669.58 1670.91 You see what I mean? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1673.35 1673.68 What? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1674.46 1678.69 It draws about four centimetres lower than Nah okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1678.69 1679.15 Just. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1676.31 1676.67 Oh. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1678.36 1678.71 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1681.09 1682.37 Maybe you can make it like this. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1686.96 1688.91 And this is all the wheel for volume. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1688.91 1695.32 So that you just um It's all rounded, so you can do uh turn this one. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1695.32 1698.31 Yeah, but just not on the top, but uh on the side of it. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1693.64 1696.23 Like a very big scroll-wheel. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1698.69 1699.34 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1700.12 1701.19 Maybe, I dunno. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1701.91 1702.24 Hmm. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1703.28 1705.98 Okay, so we have this at the moment. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1706.24 1712.84 I think uh you'll get a a lot of uh volume changing when it's not wanted. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1711.48 1712.85 Yeah, you Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1712.8 1714.27 Okay, so we'd have this. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1714.27 1714.77 Is that okay? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1715.46 1717.77 I think it's probably better. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1714.91 1715.46 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1717.77 1724.13 Yeah, but maybe we can make a a plastic, so that you i if you like drop it, it won't change the volume. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1724.13 1725.37 Only if you use your finger. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1715.37 1717.05 Yeah, that's a little problem, of course, as well. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1716.95 1718.17 And TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1724.02 1726.4 Yeah, maybe you just have to make it uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1728.01 1729.67 That's not scrollable too easy. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1730.61 1732.34 And uh what's the channel choose? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1732.34 1733.35 Where do we uh put that? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1730.24 1730.61 Like this. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1734.72 1735.58 I think in middle. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1735.15 1736.28 Still on the bottom or TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1736.4 1738.37 Uh wh what is the middle part? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1738.64 1739.58 That's the numbers. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1740.23 1744.21 Uh I think th the numbers should be in the bottom, and and the switch channel in the middle. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1740.41 1741.38 Numbers, okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1744.16 1745.16 Yeah, I agree as well. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1746.37 1747.09 Use the dz TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1752.99 1757.52 Because you already have the volume here, so You can also put it here one butt and the other one there. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1746.84 1752.99 It doesn't make a difference, if you put the s uh the switch channels on side of each other or on top of each other. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1761.37 1764.79 So you can also can put it all on the top, and this, you keep this empty. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1758.56 1760.12 Next to each other. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1760.12 1761.37 back and forth. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1764.79 1766.45 Because you have to hold it as well. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1759.54 1760.64 Yeah, that's right. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1766.63 1773.61 Or you could do the switch channel up button above the the numbers and switch channel down button below. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1773.08 1775.68 But that's not want to zap very quick, so TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1778.1 1780.2 And then you use those uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1775.56 1778.1 Yeah, I think uh zapping is the highest priority. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1775.76 1776.3 Yeah, okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1776.67 1776.89 Yeah? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1779.59 1782.4 Is this a opportunity, or you don't want a different TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1781.75 1782.75 Yeah, of course uh. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1783.04 1787.07 Uh but I think we we should bu uh put 'em on top of each other, so TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1787.82 1788.11 Why? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1788.78 1794.55 Because then it's it's easy to know m if I push the the the up TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1795.86 1796.5 Doesn't make TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1793.49 1795.86 But still the next It's still the next one. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1795.73 1802.77 Yeah, but the top the top button is is like you switch channel up, and down button is If you put them TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1801.02 1803.61 Yeah, but fo from left to right is exactly the same. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1803.61 1804.96 It ma it doesn't make a big difference. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1803.45 1804.24 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1804.24 1805.34 I I think it's TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1806.24 1813.88 But uh but I I think uh left to right is more often associated with volume, and top down is more with uh channel changing. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1806.3 1807.56 It's it's obvious, I think. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1816.57 1819.4 Every remote control's uh different. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1813.09 1816.57 Yeah, that's not not It's not al uh always the same. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1814.96 1815.88 But it's exactly th TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1817.89 1823.3 So so if we use that, they will probably have a long learning uh time. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1815.13 1817.89 In uh On most on most remote controls. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1817.35 1818.22 Yeah, I think TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1827.97 1828.55 So it's uh TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1824.26 1827.97 I You already have the volume on the side, so you can't make it you can't ma make a mistake. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1823.72 1824.26 I dunno. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1824.19 1825.79 No, uh I think TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1827.45 1828.17 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1828.17 1830.48 I think it's s so simple you just TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1829.34 1829.87 I dunno. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1831.21 1831.48 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1831.43 1833.88 So but that's for that's for you, 'cause it's TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1833.3 1835.38 Yeah, okay I'll d I'll take a look at it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1837.68 1838.88 Okay, so hmm. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1840.5 1842.57 What did What else we have to discuss about? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1842.57 1842.94 I dunno. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1844.38 1846.25 Think we need to work uh thirty minutes again? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1850.56 1852.74 Yeah, we have to care that it r uh looks really new. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1852.74 1858.19 Because uh we still hold on to the uh ordinary uh TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1862.6 1868.18 'Cause wha what I see the only difference i i i in fact is that we use a scroll-wheel on the outside. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1859.37 1862.6 uh square uh remote control. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1861.01 1861.31 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1868.13 1868.71 And the LED. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1875.52 1877.17 You have to look at that image of the iPod. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1868.31 1875.52 No, you have uh It is Uh the current uh controllers are all black and plastic. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1869.17 1871.7 Yeah, but i i it should be round in in shape. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1871.7 1872.2 So TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1878.91 1879.35 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1877.88 1878.91 Yes. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1878.66 1880.67 More that uh kind of style. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1880.77 1882.2 And a bit uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1881.66 1883.71 Not not the old grey black TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1883.17 1884.34 Uh Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1883.48 1888.3 Some some kind of bling bling uh mm can we have TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1886.96 1893.29 Where you can put a ve Uh we have If we do it like that we have below have we uh a lot of room to put a nice logo. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1895.64 1896.21 Yeah, that's right. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1893.88 1894.11 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1894.11 1895.64 Uh the logo was has to be on there. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1901.77 1902.65 Or more or TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1900.61 1901.77 Uh five or something? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1896.21 1900.61 Uh and how many uh fronts uh fronts do we put on the market then? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1901.7 1902.64 Yeah, five. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1902.64 1903.19 Let's give five. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1904.95 1906.99 Maybe you can buy separate ones and uh TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1911.52 1913.19 And uh basic. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1909.43 1911.52 You buy, you get one. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1906.38 1909.43 And um uh uh buy the product. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1913.19 1916.28 Or you can choose one uh if you buy the project. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1913.8 1915.91 Um I think Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1913.43 1913.8 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1916.68 1918.39 No, tha that will be TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1916.9 1918.34 That's your choice, I think huh. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1924.43 1925.88 So you could put it like that, okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1922.15 1924.43 Is that is that a good good opportunity? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1918.23 1922.15 So y you can put the bottom of the remote control in recharger? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1923.81 1924.41 Yes. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1926.51 1926.68 Hmm? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1924.32 1926.51 Yeah, so top down. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1927.08 1930.54 Yeah, you sl uh you let it slide in the docking station. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1931.68 1933.32 Do we have to design that w as well? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1933.12 1933.95 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1934.12 1935.24 Uh I'm not sure. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1934.55 1935.49 The docking station? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1936.16 1937.08 Yeah, I think so. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1938.5 1938.76 Hmm. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1941.41 1941.92 Yeah, we can b TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1941.68 1943.34 But th Yeah, that can be very simple. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1944.6 1944.96 Least. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1944.99 1948.91 It c it could be just just a square, just a packet. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1945.91 1947.5 Yeah, just a recharger. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1947.97 1950.55 Yeah, just where you're around something. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1952.65 1954.11 Li Yeah, we had one example. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1955.64 1961.53 But we have to make contacts on the on the remote control and the recharger as well. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1964.65 1964.82 Mm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1963.31 1964.65 Mm. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1966.98 1968.6 Maybe we can choose then. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1965.4 1966.98 Yeah, but that's a round one. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1966.32 1966.74 Which w TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1970.52 1973.35 Here you see one that's very round. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1974.36 1975.3 Oh yeah, okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1975.78 1978.25 So I think that can be all kind of shapes. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1979.04 1981.33 But maybe you can just round up the corners a bit. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1982.65 1983.71 Of the remote control? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1982.72 1983.52 That's all. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1983.52 1983.75 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 1984 1984.34 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 1985.25 1986.03 Yeah Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1986.23 1987.37 Just round it up. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1990.7 1990.99 But TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1986.36 1990.7 Yeah, so y you don't want uh this uh like the iPod. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1992.73 1993.19 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1992.14 1992.73 No. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 1993.19 1993.47 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1992.37 1992.95 More rounded. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1994.88 1999.41 Yeah, I think it will just look like more like this one. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2001.81 2002.31 I think i TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 1999.41 2001.81 Since it's This is also rounded. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2001.8 2003.07 No, just just the corners. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2006.36 2007.81 Mm TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2003.78 2006.36 Yeah okay, tho those are al already a bit cornered. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2006.4 2006.77 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2006.99 2014.98 Yeah, but we can we can do all kinds of uh As long as it isn is in two D. we can use all kind of round shapes. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2013.78 2014.33 Shapes. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2015.17 2019.4 Yeah okay, but then we have to think of something totally new. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2016 2016.85 Not in depth. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2020.55 2022.71 Yeah, but Yeah, if if we want to make it TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2023.91 2025.99 kind of, yeah, new. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2029.36 2032.14 And all curves have already been done. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2026.89 2029.36 I've uh I had a lot of picture of old ones. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2038.29 2039.36 It's a bit annoying, isn't it? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2040.02 2040.4 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2042.2 2043.61 What do we do wrong? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2047.7 2048.16 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2044.35 2047.7 Just just more like this and not uh a square. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2043.61 2044.35 Hmm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2047.28 2048.52 Yeah okay, yeah well TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2048.48 2052.71 Yeah, but we could do a lot of, lot more curving. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2054.37 2055.26 I would do it TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2056.12 2056.73 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2056.73 2058.21 I know we can do a lot more, but TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2059.1 2059.84 Yeah, it TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2064.91 2066.65 Like in this kind of shape or TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2069.14 2071.64 Uh it's very annoying. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2071.64 2072.15 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2072.21 2072.79 I dunno. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2075.09 2076.02 I dunno if it's handy. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2077.5 2082.75 I think it will only look more like the old remote controls. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2079.62 2080.11 Uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2084.52 2088.35 The olden the olden ones had looked like just a square thing. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2083.44 2084.52 This? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2084.17 2084.42 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2088.4 2091.44 But uh I had a lot of pictures Oh I can show you here TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2087.96 2088.4 Yeah okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2093.23 2095.13 what the old ones look like. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2101.96 2102.21 Mm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2104.66 2105.59 Curves, curves. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2106.92 2107.36 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2107.67 2109.76 You've more there as well. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2110.17 2110.84 Yeah, okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2112.96 2114.39 It wasn't very small one. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2115.83 2116.14 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2116.13 2117.36 very simple. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2120.07 2121.17 That is for elderly. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2120.76 2123.96 So we have to make a decision, what kind of form it's gonna have t going to have. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2125.39 2126.69 Yeah, I don't know. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2130.57 2131.11 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2134.75 2139.02 If we just uh take the iPod, and the same look. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2132.19 2134.75 I think if w My opinion. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2139.02 2144.35 So uh light or just whatever colour, but the same light colours. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2137.94 2138.29 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2144.98 2145.46 Mm-hmm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2151.39 2153.54 No rubber buttons or something. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2153.54 2156.27 Just together with the back-lights you'll get a totally new look. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2145.13 2151.39 And uh just with uh together with uh the back-lights b look will look very new. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2156.27 2159.54 More like the M. P. three player M. um P. M. P. three player. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2158.86 2160.26 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2164.03 2166.55 But why do we have to round it on the t bottom then? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2166.55 2167.9 Of Skip that one as well. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2160.48 2162.9 And you have the scroll button inside. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2162.9 2164.03 Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2162.48 2163.12 Yes. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2163.12 2164.59 Just a simple scrollb TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2163.23 2163.58 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2168.71 2169.54 Doesn't have to be. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2170.96 2171.48 Yeah, it's cool. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2170.12 2170.96 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2175.01 2177.19 But yeah, I'm not a Trendwatcher, you are. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2171.57 2173.37 Yeah, though that's a trend. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2173.37 2175.01 If we want to make it. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2177.19 2177.79 So TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2177.64 2179.21 Uh the t the trend is TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2180 2181.19 Rubber spongy. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2181.07 2182.94 spongy and fruity. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2182.94 2183.4 But yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2183.62 2184.13 No. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2183.12 2183.62 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2184.13 2185.25 Spongy and TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2183.63 2184.9 Spongeball kinda. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2185.48 2189.74 It's not not a lot of trends I uh I found uh TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2188.66 2190.55 Okay, so we have s still one minute left. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2190.55 2194.46 So just I think it's okay if you just keep it a bit square. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2190.89 2191.79 Uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2195.16 2195.35 Mm. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2198.37 2205.07 Yeah, I d I don't know n something about ergonomic kind of fits-in-the-hand uh stuff. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2196.94 2198.37 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2197.98 2199.05 It The th th TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2202.31 2202.61 No. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2203.48 2203.63 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2206.62 2208.4 You j still have older people. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2208.4 2213.39 It's only annoying if it if it's like that f formed like that, like f Whatever. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2204.53 2206.62 But I I think it's still for older people. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2213.39 2214.62 Just you have a normal TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2213.5 2214.34 There is one TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2213.75 2215.92 Yeah, but we're we're aiming at a young public. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2215.32 2220.91 There's just one overall important aspect is that we must make it fancy and it looks original TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2225.62 2228.04 It must have uh uh uh a very different TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2220.91 2225.62 and I hope we can uh make it look not like the iPod itself. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2226.88 2227.81 Yeah, idea. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2227.81 2231.48 But you're If you look at the way remote controls are now TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2233.17 2234.08 Yeah, they're all the same. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2233.62 2235.45 And if you make it look like the iPod TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2237.89 2239.04 That's already fancy. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2246.08 2248.25 Just like the colours of Real Reaction. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2233.98 2236.23 But i it is it is it is already fancy. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2236.23 2237.89 Because of the lights on the bottom of it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2239.04 2244.38 Uh maybe maybe make the the mm the wha what's it called uh scroll wheel. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2244.38 2246.08 Make it in in yellow or something. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2238.19 2241.13 So that's already a very big change compared to TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2237.62 2238.19 Yeah okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2247.48 2248 Hmm. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2248.4 2249.54 Ye yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2249.54 2250.64 Well uh TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2250.59 2251.63 Yeah, we could do that. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2252.1 2252.37 Could. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2252.67 2258.34 Uh yeah, but uh if you the f uh front, the scroll wheel will still uh be yellow. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2257.35 2257.67 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2257.86 2258.79 No, I think Oh. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2259.1 2259.8 It's right. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2264.37 2268.76 Since if you put it uh somewhere, the chances that it will scroll are too big. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2260.87 2264.37 Think the scroll wheel won't be very big. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2268.76 2270.1 So it will just be a small TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2268.73 2269.03 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2271.48 2272.26 small scroll wheel. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2272.26 2275.46 So it won't uh stick out much. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2275.51 2275.71 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2286.83 2288.34 Because it doesn't work properly. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2278.29 2286.83 Maybe we have to ask uh to the the mm to her if it has if it can work better than this. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2275.71 2278.29 Maybe the ones we are going to draw there. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2289.32 2289.61 No. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2289.36 2290.37 So maybe you have to ask her. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2289.65 2289.98 Yeah okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2289.98 2293.82 Well, maybe we can just open images there, and I'll paint and paint. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2294.34 2295.3 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2295.69 2296.48 That's probably TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2295.3 2295.69 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2295.27 2296.31 I'll be able to do a better job. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2296.59 2298.44 If you set the pen yeah, he will draw here. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2301 2301.5 Doesn't work. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2305.41 2307.84 So we make it a bit like m that one probably. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2301.98 2305.41 Okay, so just finish it. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2309.39 2310.91 Yeah, I'll see it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2309.81 2310.52 Is that okay? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2309.64 2309.81 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2310.06 2312.38 Bu Yeah, I agree more like iPod. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2311.02 2311.23 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2311.6 2319.3 Okay, only the colour and the flashy light and the We just we just skip the the the voca or was it the the speech recognition. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2315.05 2315.84 Just a TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2314.21 2315.05 Yes. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2319.21 2320.23 Yeah, do we s keep that? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2318.17 2319.21 Speech. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2320.23 2320.91 Yeah, I think TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2321.67 2322.23 It's okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2321.08 2321.67 Or keep that? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2322.23 2323.66 But you'd definitely need a TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2325.82 2327.94 Yeah, I think so. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2327.94 2330.43 And we we have to build in a microphone and TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2323.03 2325.82 S Uh yeah, I don't know. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2324.13 2325.83 Well uh then it w TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2324.69 2325.5 advanced chip. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2325.54 2326.21 Uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2331.85 2336.9 We already have uh the beeping of the home station, so TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2330.76 2331.85 Well that's very easy. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2337.51 2340.5 I d I didn't receive any information on speech recognition, so TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2334.84 2337.51 Yeah, and I do I don't know anything about that. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2337.61 2338.02 No. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2338.91 2342.67 Uh strange that I received the information about that. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2341.88 2342.39 But TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2340.6 2341.88 Oh that's hard. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2342.4 2343.07 So TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2343.01 2346.19 Uh the ma the main points I I I uh just said. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2353.92 2354.4 But TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2352.55 2353.92 Becau Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2347.88 2352.55 We have to be original and uh technological innovative. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2353.59 2356.15 Can we just put it speech recognition in it as well, okay? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2356 2357.39 Ma TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2358.34 2359.63 So we can put all the TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2356.38 2358.34 So shall we it open then? TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2357.96 2358.42 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2360.29 2361.44 The function of that in there. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2361.44 2361.84 Yeah. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2361.5 2362.04 Okay. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2362.71 2365.8 And we need a Probably we need a uh advanced chip then. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2363.29 2363.79 Fine. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2366.96 2368.42 Yeah, we probably do. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2367.65 2369.35 But it doesn't say anything about it, does it? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2368.4 2368.76 Yeah. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2369.8 2370.06 No. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2370.88 2371.68 Oh yeah, I TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2371.12 2373.19 But we don't have any f information about the cost. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2373.87 2374.08 No. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2374.26 2377.27 We started with information about the cost was now th TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2375.29 2377.24 I just I just received the TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2378.69 2380.92 But just a about the chip. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2375.62 2378.69 Yeah, uh I have I have some some information about the cost. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2380.32 2380.83 Yeah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2383.39 2384.89 The the the TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2382.31 2383.39 And how much is the chip? TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2384.52 2385.82 I don't know how much, but TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2386 2393.03 Yeah, our division has developed a new speech recognition feature, the integrated programmable sample sensor simple speaker u unit. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2393.03 2397.77 This is a very small electronic unit, will give a standard answer after it recognise a question. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2386.98 2388.64 Just in inexpensive or TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2399.76 2400.06 Is it TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2397.75 2399.76 And how how does it work? TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2400.86 2406.52 Just You say record, followed by your question sample, and after a few seconds the answer uh sample. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2400.28 2400.86 Doesn't say. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2408.71 2409.39 Because uh TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2410.61 2415.28 So it works like uh good morning remote control, and then the remote control says good morning. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2416.07 2417.56 It doesn't has to say anything. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2417.56 2418.98 Just You have to just talk to TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2418.52 2420.28 Does it say does it say something back? TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2417.51 2418.52 No. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2418.65 2421.54 Yeah uh th that's just It's a No. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2421.54 2425.96 Yeah, it Well that's integrated in the chip, so if you use the speech recognition, that's in it. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2421.08 2422.11 So just TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2419.94 2421.08 Okay, we have to stop it now. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2424.5 2427 Okay, that's a r That's that's a advanced TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2425.84 2427.41 But i it's a separate chip. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2428.48 2432.36 I dunno, but if we use speech recognition, that will be in it as well. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2432.83 2433.3 Okay. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2435.46 2438.67 Yeah, I don't know anything about this, but Nah. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2437.07 2437.39 Um TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2438.04 2440.71 Yeah, we just decide not to put it in, because it's too difficult. TS3004c H02 MTD014ID 2441.96 2443.36 I dunno. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2442.71 2445.4 Well it it would be would be a good feature feature. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2444.92 2445.34 Yeah. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2445.42 2448.14 Okay, we just put it in, because it's a good feature. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2449.9 2451.59 Okay, just We have to stop it now. TS3004c H00 MTD013PM 2448.14 2449.9 We have to stop now. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2447.65 2449.92 No no worries about the cost, etcetera. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2449.92 2452.3 And there's a chip in it that will Okay. TS3004c H01 MTD015UID 2446.67 2447.65 Okay. TS3004c H03 MTD016ME 2452.34 2452.69 Fine. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 6.75 6.88 Oh. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 7.13 7.95 It's not saved yet. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 8.49 8.81 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 15.65 16.51 So TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 20.89 21.1 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 26.91 28.21 Our beautiful drawing. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 31.9 33.32 So just f um TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 43.17 47.13 You're F You're going to show your pr prototype presentation after me. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 42.01 43.17 So this is our agenda. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 48.52 48.95 Oops. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 51.26 51.35 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 53.2 54.06 Uh I didn't Oh yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 57.46 58.51 So these are the TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 62.98 63.27 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 62.03 62.98 Oh, okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 69.04 73.37 If anything doesn't look right, just say it to me then. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 73.37 74.73 I don't have to put it in the report. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 64.59 69.04 So these are the um last notes we I made. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 80.9 85.81 Because we didn't have enough time to uh de um design the inside as well. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 78.53 80.9 Are we doing the the speech recognition? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 89.16 90.93 So if you want to, it's okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 85.96 89.16 Okay, but it's still possible uh uh financially. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 91.22 92.62 Well then then we're gonna put it in. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 90.71 91.22 Okay yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 92.92 95.28 Okay, just TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 94.76 97.91 Yeah, just uh we have to design the inside then, but it should be uh TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 101.7 103.6 Or fold open? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 103.6 104.05 I don't know. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 97.32 101.7 Yeah, and Or are we making a slide open, like underneath? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 104.35 107.88 Slide open is uh quite usable for remote controls. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 105.4 106.5 It's probably better. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 108.24 112.83 Yeah, s Like underneath uh you can slide it open and you other functions. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 111.44 113.83 It's may maybe uh a bit stronger as well. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 112.43 113.56 Maybe that's better. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 114.51 114.72 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 114.66 116.15 Yeah, that's that's a very good point. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 122.41 124.76 'Cause you can write a lot of comments besides it. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 119.59 122.41 So you can make it very easy to use. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 115.99 119.59 Okay, so when you have a lot of room inside. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 116.33 116.98 Think that's better. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 122.51 122.85 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 126.17 127.43 So this is okay? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 125.6 126.17 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 130.54 132.19 Yeah, we're gonna use the advanced chip then. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 129.2 130.54 No. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 132.72 136.49 Okay, so that's Uh I'll just have a look how much that is. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 140.74 143.49 No, you have a different chip for speech recognition. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 143.49 143.93 So TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 136.49 140.74 But um Okay, for the Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 134.02 135.08 The TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 137.63 139.13 Advanced chip was for uh spee Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 139.22 140.31 Yeah, I I think so. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 140.31 140.8 I don't know. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 143.49 143.82 Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 143.6 144.13 Ah okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 147.43 148.13 So it's okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 145.04 147.43 So I already calculated that and it's still in the budget. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 148.71 148.97 Good. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 157.72 161.28 So you can show your prototype if you want to. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 162.37 162.74 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 162.82 163.26 Together? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 163.72 167.38 Yeah, it's Let's do it together. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 167.38 167.98 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 166.1 167.24 I'll give comments. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 171.31 173.06 Yeah, we just made a Word file TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 174.43 175.17 with the basic TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 176.56 177.21 elements. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 196.89 198.79 Uh the material should be hard plastic. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 185.31 190.82 Uh well the form, the case um as drawn there. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 194.43 196.89 So that's basically it. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 182.9 185.31 Uh the look-and-feel model. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 190.82 194.43 Simply a square with uh round corners. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 199.54 199.88 Mm-hmm. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 208.78 211.15 Um then the elements. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 199.88 203.52 Uh colour changeable, and also transparent. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 203.52 208.78 And colour and transparent, or just transparent, I don't know. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 213.74 215.52 Uh we have TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 216.61 218.89 The functions are just basic. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 228.36 229.48 And this is the TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 218.89 221.67 Like uh I've pointed them here. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 221.67 225.66 Mute function, on-off function, text functions. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 225.66 228.36 This uh switch channel. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 227.52 228.41 Okay, cool. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 232.62 234.12 And the logo is over here, and the mic. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 230.92 232.62 the num-pad. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 235.62 235.89 Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 241.29 243.89 So you hold it like this in your right hand and TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 237.12 239.06 And the scrollwheel, no? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 239.06 241.29 You operate that with your pointing finger. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 239.11 239.67 Means TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 244.3 244.43 Mm. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 246.1 249.01 So how many functions do you need for for uh the microphone? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 250.09 250.91 Speech recognition. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 250.91 252.09 Yeah, speech recognition. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 252.09 254.62 Just Only one button to say it's on or off. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 261.73 264.22 Um so I've TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 255.67 261.73 But um I can imagine that you have to input your voice or something. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 252.4 255.67 Um I didn't have a specification of that. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 257.37 258.1 Uh I dunno. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 262.6 265.51 Yeah, maybe maybe uh you have to configure it. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 265.81 269.94 Yes, you need options to configure it, and after that you don't need 'em anymore. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 270.32 272.32 So you can put it on the back as well if you want to. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 273.41 273.95 That's for sure. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 271.89 273.41 Yeah, you can put 'em all on the back. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 276.24 280.39 Well we haven't had time to design that, the slide pad. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 272.48 276.24 Yeah, or or on the slide function, I don't know. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 275.02 275.49 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 275.77 276.68 That's uh TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 275.86 276.42 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 283.91 284.21 But TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 279.87 283.91 We also don't know how many buttons are required, or what kind of buttons. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 285.47 287.81 You have a lot of room if you can slide it open. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 288.77 290.48 Yeah, you can put it separate. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 292.44 294.32 So But it's enough room. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 289.13 289.99 You Yeah I know. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 289.99 292.44 I can imagine you need at least four buttons or something. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 293.52 293.77 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 299.08 301.62 Yeah, you write uh You wrote this, so. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 296.45 299.08 Um the position? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 300.25 303.91 Uh well Well the main, the main zap buttons are most central. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 305.02 306.91 That was the the most important thing. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 313.06 319.26 text buttons, mute buttons are together and at a place they easily are, easy to find. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 306.91 313.06 So uh the best place, the best reach place Um on-off buttons, TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 320.49 324.7 Um the on-off button is a bit bigger, uh so it stands out. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 324.7 326.57 That way you don't have to make it red, 'cause it's TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 327.67 328.99 will uh will show up. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 330.3 332.92 Uh scrollwheel is on the left side. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 332.92 337.89 It's basically the be standard place for scrollwheel, as far as I know. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 342.59 345.25 So y Because you can use your thumb then. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 337.18 338.35 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 338.35 342.59 But it's not uh impossible to use it, if you're left handed. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 343.35 343.86 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 353.85 358.07 But you missed the no uh the zero and uh the two stripes. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 345.64 346.8 Just just one thing now. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 346.8 353.85 Um y you need to have more uh one two th You've got one two three four five six seven eight nine. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 352.51 353.88 Okay yeah, they TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 355.78 356.34 Mm yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 356.88 357.79 Yeah okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 357.79 359.61 That's that's below that then. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 359.61 360.96 It's uh twelve buttons. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 358.22 358.7 Yeah, okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 360.01 361.44 just so you get that. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 362.95 363.59 Okay, but TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 365.59 366.92 It's rather important. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 367.17 367.93 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 369.33 373.27 But um I'll just uh TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 367.37 369.33 Yeah okay, just we just missed that. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 375.99 381.92 F the form well, we've taken that from the iPod, other popular technical device. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 381.92 383.88 So um should be popular. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 374.92 375.99 I'll get back to later. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 385.47 386.04 Um TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 387.79 389.67 The f uh the buttons creating? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 389.67 390.66 Uh if you TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 391.95 395.74 That or all round shapes, not uh rounded corners. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 396.21 396.59 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 396.88 399.19 So that, you know, you get a bit round feeling. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 400.68 403.05 Um we'll use hard plastic. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 403.05 407.61 Since that allows us to use uh two D. buttons, uh non-rubber buttons. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 409.39 410.9 Colour changeable. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 410.9 415.82 Well and um the backlight thing, the thing that lights up. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 415.82 422.12 We have decided uh in the the channel buttons, there's a little uh colour around it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 422.72 423.45 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 423.4 427.64 And also in the num-pads, there's also colour light behind it. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 432.81 435.02 How do you want to implement that? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 435.02 437.31 Just on the Maybe on the second level as well? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 428.26 432.81 And do you still can, do you still can choose what colour, kind of colour you want? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 428.71 429.27 So when you pre TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 432.11 432.39 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 437.04 437.68 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 435.15 437.04 We're going to implement. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 437.68 439.37 Mm just a little TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 438.75 439.11 Ah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 438.82 443.14 Yeah, these are just basic functions, so All the non-basic are in TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 442.25 444.94 Okay, just draw draw the second level, because we need that as well. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 444.11 445.37 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 444.93 445.21 Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 446.44 447.39 Um TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 457.15 459.56 Play Station or uh D. V. D. player. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 459.56 460.71 That function must be TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 452.48 457.15 It's uh to switch to uh uh your Scart. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 446.6 452.48 Okay, there is one uh function I use uh daily, and it's not on the basic functions. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 459.71 461.94 Okay, maybe we use this button for the TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 461.47 467.3 Yeah, maybe Or you can uh i uh lay it uh beneath in the uh other uh functions. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 465.62 468.41 Yeah, I um To your video device. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 466.93 474.19 Just make make a Just just draw a second level one and say all options that are still left or something. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 466.42 466.93 Yeah, as well. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 468.69 468.94 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 474.4 475.72 A second level? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 475.72 479.48 Like a a new blank one or Or just here? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 479.48 479.75 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 474.83 475.46 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 475.69 476.12 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 479.64 480.52 So uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 477.2 479.64 No no, just on Down there. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 478.87 479.52 Is i Ah okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 481.08 481.45 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 481.53 483.38 And h how does the second level come out? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 483.38 485.27 Uh it slides uh along? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 482.1 482.99 Just uh if you s TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 484.35 486.04 Um slides I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 486.04 486.36 It's TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 485.76 486.76 Yeah, y Maybe, yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 486.43 488.68 From from the uh beneath? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 487.95 488.47 For the bottom. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 488.04 490.95 You can do it that it claps open, but I think that's not solid enough. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 490.95 492.32 If that breaks then you're screwed. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 490.76 492.09 No, you gotta slide it. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 494.03 494.75 Yeah, it's right. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 499.13 499.72 Um TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 495.81 499.13 So it do doesn't even have to slide all the way open. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 499.66 500.67 So what do we need? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 500.97 503.68 Uh i the the speech functions buttons. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 504.19 505.2 Yeah, just TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 507.26 507.77 Menu? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 509.09 509.82 Menu button. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 511.32 512.96 With uh maybe uh arrows. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 514.11 515.01 So you can uh TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 516.48 519.32 scroll in the, navigate the menu. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 522.09 522.66 Um TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 522.79 523.38 God damn it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 522.92 523.7 Scart? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 524.44 534.91 I think we can even put a We have one for the zero and one for the for the more digit uh channels. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 539.45 540.88 That's used pretty often. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 534.91 539.45 So you have one left for the Right, the video channel, Play Station, etcetera. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 530.74 531.25 Uh yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 533.64 536.27 And so y you keep you keep one, you have one left. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 536.27 538.16 Yes. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 536.89 537.92 So this is the TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 541.11 542.49 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 542.49 545.44 It's a f basic uh TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 541.98 544.59 If you have a Play Station, mm you use it every day. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 543.16 543.41 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 546.29 547.78 Extern or something. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 555.47 557.14 You want to save that file as well? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 559.37 560.1 The drawing? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 563.54 563.95 That was it. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 563.64 566.96 So here are multiple speech buttons, I don't know how many. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 567.39 568.13 Uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 568.29 569.07 Doesn't really matter. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 569.07 570.01 Just just uh TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 570.47 571.61 Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 568.82 570.47 I don't know the functions. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 571.61 572.15 What else? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 574.94 575.52 What else? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 575.52 577.37 Uh menu buttons with arrows. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 569.28 570.24 It doesn't really matter. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 570.24 574.94 That's Yeah well we don't have any uh Hmm? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 574.38 574.96 What else? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 576.7 577.38 Uh menu. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 577.82 579.16 Yeah, to navigate. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 579 580.45 Uh With arrows. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 579.08 582.65 S Just uh like Um I think it's best if we do. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 584.53 585.79 Mm where do we have TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 588.19 588.74 Or there. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 588.78 590.18 Like a normal um TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 590.42 592.37 Like on the normal uh Like this. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 594.94 595.29 Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 592.67 594.94 Yeah, with in the middle um a menu button. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 594.07 595 The menu button, yes. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 601.6 603.94 So you can't redesign it. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 597.87 601.6 Well we don't have any, anything on how many buttons speech requires. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 602.4 604.95 Mm okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 604.39 604.6 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 609.48 612.32 Maybe one button to switch the colour of your uh LEDs? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 612.37 612.65 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 613.07 613.24 Yep. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 613.53 619.8 Uh and and you can hold it, you can hold it, and then the colours switch or mm multiple multiple buttons. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 617.08 617.41 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 617.64 619.86 Just press it once, the colour should uh switch. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 619.86 621.49 Press again, the colour switch again maybe? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 621.81 622.57 okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 626.11 629.16 Just red, yel uh red, green and TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 623.59 626.11 Or we just make it three buttons, all the colours on it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 627.57 628.8 Okay, yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 628.8 629.54 Th Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 629.54 631.91 If we have enough place, uh then we can do that. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 629.73 630.21 Yeah, okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 630.95 632.33 That's that's very easy, yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 632.54 633.57 We can put those here. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 634.79 637.19 Colour buttons. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 637.19 640.72 And then we choose green, uh blue and red or Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 639.85 640.29 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 640.75 641.01 Yep. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 648.19 648.54 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 648.8 649.74 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 649.74 652.8 That's uh Um TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 657.88 659.74 So did we miss anything? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 660.06 665.05 Yeah, maybe some uh some text next to the scroll wheel, that it is volume. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 660.12 660.82 It TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 662.38 663.71 Some text uh buttons. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 666.01 666.37 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 666.47 666.77 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 667.98 668.53 Yeah, but TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 668.48 669.99 I just uh The volume logo. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 668.5 671.32 No, ma on on o on the on the TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 669.93 672.35 there's one there's one text button I TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 671.21 672.07 Oh wh Here? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 672.47 672.73 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 673.05 675.01 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 673.8 674.17 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 674.12 674.87 Just make it TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 677.15 681.96 That's the one uh that you use if you search for a page, uh like seven hundred, TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 681.96 688.29 uh and it's counting from one hundred to two hundred, you will switch to your television and back to text. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 675.15 677.15 There's one text button I prefer. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 688.29 690.06 Do you do you Did you think of that? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 675.36 676.45 Yeah, or th or the TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 687.22 689.94 Yeah, we have that on the the text button. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 687.54 687.87 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 689.26 689.42 Yep. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 694.37 695.91 You just switch it off and then TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 690.88 694.37 Yeah, but then you can switch back to normal telete teletext. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 694.77 696.51 Uh why not? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 696.16 699.13 Yeah, just put it on those extra f extra function as well. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 698.41 699.83 Ex Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 699.83 700.1 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 699.89 701.52 No Whoa TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 702.74 706.12 And if you press it again, you get the the the TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 700.24 702.74 Well w we thought of a text button. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 709.31 709.61 Yes. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 705.82 709.31 I think um Yeah, the three stages. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 705.93 707.01 The sta the state you TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 706.48 708.97 Oh just three stages, you Yeah, that's okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 708.19 713.26 Yeah, b but but if you're in the second stage, the third stage is switch teletext off. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 707.26 708.19 through view. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 713.26 716.13 So you can switch back from second to w first. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 707.84 708.22 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 714.53 716.15 No, it doesn't have to turn it off. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 717.02 717.72 No. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 727.61 732.63 and you turn it off, then the next time you turn it on, it still stays on seven hundred? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 723.18 727.61 If you if you turn teletext on, you you set the seven hundred, TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 732.63 734.85 But maybe it's not the way TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 719.04 723.18 It it doesn't uh uh clear the the page. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 717.72 719.04 Just remember where it was. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 717.12 718.07 Just don't TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 719.21 719.47 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 724.36 725.81 Yes, that's to remember. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 731.45 732.31 Okay, okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 732.14 733.34 Yeah, but that's that's uh TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 734.28 735.55 I dunno if TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 734.92 736.74 That's a functionality for the television. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 736.69 738.61 Yeah, I think as well, but Uh yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 739.19 740.56 Mm. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 740.56 743.64 That's maybe one thing we can discuss about. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 741.78 751.96 Yeah mm nee uh No, if i uh the remote can send like the the code for seven hundred, page seven hundred to the television. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 751.96 753.84 Th th th if you switch it on. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 751.92 754.57 Yeah, in thi the the remote control in the TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 752.97 753.23 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 755.05 757.14 Yeah, but you have to search every time again. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 759.29 761.76 But it's still the television that has to do that. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 757.14 759.29 That's what what happening if you do it like that. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 755.28 755.7 Th i TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 755.56 755.92 the chip. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 759.1 759.77 Yeah, that's true. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 761.27 761.69 Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 760.13 761.27 Yeah, I dunno. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 762.81 765 Um do we need to fix that or TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 762.01 762.81 So yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 765.2 770.06 Mm most new T. V. s do uh collect all the pages. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 765.39 766.75 No, that's what the television does. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 770.47 771.95 Yeah, those memory functions. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 770.98 773.76 But uh not not every every television, so TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 776.88 777.68 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 777.68 780.62 Was uh this logo for uh volume? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 780.62 780.91 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 777.58 778.26 Okay, it's cool. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 779.98 780.79 Yeah, that's fine. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 785.68 786.26 So that's it? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 786.22 787.63 Is this prich pretty much it, yeah? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 791.32 792.44 Uh the buttons? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 792.44 794.5 Uh from which material are they now? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 788.75 791.32 Yeah, I I thought about one thing. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 796.96 797.92 Just hard plastic. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 794.43 795.11 Mm. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 797.92 798.27 So TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 795.11 796.96 No no Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 794.94 796.64 Just like your telephone, hard plastic. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 797.68 798.47 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 807.51 813.06 are uh And maybe we can write the numbers below or above? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 813.06 815.97 Or shall we just turn it on on the buttons? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 798.47 807.51 Because um if you use it a couple of years, some uh sometimes the numbers on the on the buttons are slide away TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 798.53 801.28 It's too expensive to make it from a different material anyway. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 816.13 817.88 I think just on the buttons. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 817.88 822.08 If you do it abo above or below, it takes uh more space. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 816.56 817.94 Uh I think just um TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 821.47 822.17 Well yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 822.17 823.58 That's too much place. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 825.18 825.84 Yeah, but TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 825.2 826.15 Okay, just leave it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 826.15 826.61 Just leave it. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 825.45 827.42 I don't think the space is worth it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 827.67 828.27 Yeah, and i TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 827.72 831.65 I think uh you have that problem more often with rubber buttons. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 829.4 830.33 The most time TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 831.28 832.17 Yeah, with rubber buttons. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 832.17 833.45 Yeah, okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 835.49 836.12 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 836.12 836.68 Fine. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 837.34 838.34 Okay, cool. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 836.46 837.34 Yeah? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 847.14 848.19 Mm mm mm mm mm. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 852.62 855.02 But I think we just evela evaluated this one. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 851.43 852.62 Yeah, I don't know what this means. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 860.88 863.99 I d d d I don't think if it's right. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 855.12 860.88 Yeah, I made some criteria uh, so we can uh ev evaluate our model. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 863.99 865.41 That shall show it. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 856.8 858.04 Oh okay, you made some criteria. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 858.04 858.62 Okay, cool. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 860.56 860.83 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 870.95 874.61 You have some usability criteria or Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 874.73 879.31 Uh no, uh all criterias we just argue about. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 879.31 879.78 Uh TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 873.61 874.73 Mm-hmm. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 881.08 881.31 Oh. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 881.34 881.93 In the bottom. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 884.92 885.32 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 885.38 886.11 Look-and-feel? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 886.55 887.25 Evaluation crit TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 886.88 888.21 No, evaluation is TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 888.69 889.9 Yeah, evaluation presentation. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 893.55 894.12 It's not in. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 897.38 901.87 Uh d it doesn't matter um It only had two pages or something. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 920.05 920.92 And TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 903.63 917.13 Um well I looked in the reports um from the marketing strategy, or uh of uh the the the the the the new needs and uh the market. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 917.13 920.05 The Italians uh, how they think about it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 922.68 930.81 The research uh about uh the the comp uh the the the users and that kind of stuff. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 930.81 936.15 I made some criteria, and we have to test the criteria from one to zero. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 936.15 943.23 We sh we we we can give it uh a number, and then we can give ourself an average for our TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 944.24 944.57 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 944.91 946.91 um model. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 951.73 956.89 And um we have to discuss about, if we give it a one or a seven. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 946.91 951.73 And this These are all I I I found, or I wrote down. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 956.89 957.31 Uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 946.98 947.32 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 957.04 960.14 Uh I think uh if you have a kind of iPod idea. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 960.14 961.56 It quite beautiful. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 961.56 961.8 It's TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 979.45 979.97 The LEDs. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 971.81 979.45 And fancy's more like the mm uh f the flashing lights and the colours and and that kind of stuff. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 963.22 971.81 Yeah, the the the difference be between uh beautiful and fancy uh look-and-feel is uh the the the outside uh beautiful uh like the iPod or something. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 962.26 963.22 Yes. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 962.77 962.91 Mm. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 962.99 964.43 We are actu We are the TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 973.76 974.41 Flashy. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 978.66 979.39 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 979.39 986.48 Well I think we do If it's really uh, if you can if you can get the iPod look, then it's beautiful, I think. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 986.22 987.46 Yes. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 993.18 996.41 The basic colours are black or green or yellow? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 996.41 997.63 Or you haven't thought about TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 987.46 993.18 And and what ki what kind of what kind of basic colours uh were you thought uh of? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 987.49 988.46 But uh TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 987.98 990.42 Yeah beautiful's is also a matter of taste. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 992.54 992.73 Hmm? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 996.54 998.57 Um basic colours, um yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 998.57 1000.36 Well you didn't say. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1000.36 1002.16 Maybe um company colours? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 999.25 1000.78 Ho how do we make uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1002.65 1003.26 It's black. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1003.69 1005.15 Black and yellow. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1005.15 1005.68 Can TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1003.75 1004.05 Black. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1005.05 1005.83 Yeah, yellow light. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1008.94 1009.25 It's TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1006.69 1008.94 No, not really, but it's possible. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1005.83 1006.69 Do we have yellow light? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1005.07 1006.17 A bit a bit of yellow. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1007.73 1010.92 Not not not yellow, but just a bit of light yellow. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1011.9 1012.88 Black white, maybe? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1013.56 1016.66 Like white, also ni or uh always nice. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1016.4 1018.33 And what colours should the buttons be? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1016.82 1017.28 Uh TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1018.73 1020.14 Because um TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1020.62 1021.35 This is TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1019.54 1020.62 Yeah, different colours. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1021.37 1022.36 Just um TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1022.51 1025.29 Oh, the same as th th the cover. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1025.29 1027.3 But also th the light behind it. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1026.44 1029.64 But can you change those too, with uh the switch? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1026.72 1027.04 Yes. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1028.91 1030.25 No, no. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1030.25 1033 Make them No, just make them black or grey or something. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1033.42 1034.73 Just dark grey I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1032.77 1033.42 Yeah, grey. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1035.03 1035.36 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1035.1 1035.26 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1036.41 1040.63 Okay, so what uh number do we give uh a beautiful? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1040.63 1045.86 Beautiful is uh really subjective, uh because it has to do lots with the colours. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1045.83 1047.52 Well we have changeable fronts, so TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1048.41 1051.65 Changeable fronts, so ev for everyone for everyone it's something beautiful. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1050.18 1050.61 So TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1052.82 1053.73 It's perfect. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1055.84 1056.44 Or not? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1053.73 1055.84 I think it's just what you want. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1051.21 1052.24 Yeah, just give it a one. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1052.24 1052.82 It's okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1051.57 1051.91 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1056.59 1058.41 It's hard to decide for us, but yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1059.31 1060.77 It's ju so subjective. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1058.07 1059.31 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1059.64 1063.71 It it's At least it's a lot better than uh current remote controls. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1064.88 1065.34 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1065.32 1068.91 Okay, just give it a two. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1067.74 1068.35 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1066.71 1067.74 A two. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1082.77 1083.17 So TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1071.88 1077.7 That's about our uh flashing lights and the background uh lights uh from from from the buttons. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1069.93 1071.88 The fancy look-and-feel. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1077.7 1078.57 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1078.57 1082.77 And we can change the colours, so that's uh really fancy I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1077.21 1077.46 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1081.79 1082.19 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1092.58 1092.83 Yeah? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1090.19 1092.58 Or n no back light? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1082.66 1083.3 One more thing. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1083.3 1090.19 Are w are we changing uh Or are they there uh backlights on the slide panel too? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1091.64 1092.25 Slide panel? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1094.08 1094.75 Not needed. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1092.71 1094.08 Mm. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1093.19 1094.26 No. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1094.26 1096.93 No, it's only on the number, behind the numbers and uh TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1096.25 1097.47 Yeah, not needed I think. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1097.08 1099.8 And and the switch channel is uh There is a back light too? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1098.85 1100.83 Oh, you mean th this here? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1099.11 1100.18 That as well, yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1100.05 1100.38 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1101.02 1101.27 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1101.05 1102.29 Yeah, but that's unnecessary. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1102.59 1104.56 What do I think is necessary necessary item? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1108.76 1113.08 That's that's really fancy, but I don't know if it's reachable. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1104.29 1104.96 It's pretty cool. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1104.96 1108.76 If you slide it open, it lights up. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1110.08 1110.35 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1113.3 1114.45 Of course it's reachable. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1115.89 1116.8 It doesn't make TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1116.05 1118.85 Then we do it. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1117.13 1118.05 Hmm. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1121.28 1123.4 So you can see what's really there. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1117.49 1121.28 Okay, maybe just some light uh to to light it all up. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1125.94 1128.38 Just a green light or some blue light. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1123.4 1125.94 Not just not re on the buttons or something. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1125.75 1126.13 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1125.22 1125.75 No. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1129.64 1130.33 To light it all up. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1129.65 1131.08 Yeah, but TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1130.54 1131.39 But Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1131.39 1132.07 Mayb Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1139.79 1141.42 So the buttons are just grey. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1134.55 1139.79 And th and the the normal backlights also not the buttons, but behind the buttons. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1133.29 1134.55 Not not the buttons. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1131.61 1133.29 Yeah, just backlight. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1134.71 1134.92 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1141.91 1142.52 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1141.98 1142.64 Well yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1142.64 1143.89 Uh semi-transparent. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1144.16 1145.63 Yeah, just only Yeah, that's right. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1144.45 1144.88 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1146.74 1148.15 Okay, fine. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1148.15 1151 So I I think it's very fancy. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1151 1152.16 So I'll give it a TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1148.14 1148.78 So TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1150.61 1151.6 Yeah, that's how I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1151.17 1154.83 Yeah, w we've done a a lot of detail in light, so TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1155.48 1157.69 Yeah, and you can uh also choose your light, so TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1155.9 1156.04 Ye TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1159.58 1159.93 It's cool. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1157.8 1158.91 Yeah, this It is a one. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1158.91 1159.58 It's okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1158.17 1158.38 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1159.44 1160.16 I think it's one. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1164.39 1165.24 Learnable? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1162.61 1164.39 Okay, next. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1165.24 1166.4 Easy to use? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1163.24 1167.86 This is a difficult one, because we we don't Yeah, we don't know it about the TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1167.52 1169.72 Yeah, we shall test it But uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1170.04 1174.31 Uh it's it's very easy to use, but uh the second layer is not easy to use. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1174.31 1175.01 It's That's TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1171.86 1172.09 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1180.09 1182.45 That's th that's the main thing that's so good about it. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1176.89 1180.09 And you on don't have to pay attention to that second layer. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1175.04 1176.89 No, but you don't have to use that. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1175.58 1176.04 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1180.17 1180.39 No. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1182 1185.32 So I think it's easy to use, but And learnable is a bit TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1184.38 1185.26 Learnable? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1193.51 1197.91 but the first time you get this thing in your hands, it's not to use the scroll wheel. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1197.91 1204.7 I think uh you must uh seek for it, and up or down or Uh then the re TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1185.26 1189.36 It's not not as fast as a usual uh uh remote control. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1189.36 1193.51 Because because I think I think the scroll wheel, uh it's very handy, TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1189.32 1190.3 Well, I think it is. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1189.9 1191.41 Well y just uh f TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1203.22 1205.99 But the rest of it is very easy, because there are so so n TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1205.6 1207.97 Yeah, I think it's very clear what it all does. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1207.1 1213.38 So so few information that you can easily decide what buttons w for what function. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1209.7 1209.94 Yes. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1210.77 1211.27 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1214.71 1215.59 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1214.74 1218.33 But the second parts, uh like speech, etcetera, that will be harder to learn. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1219.88 1223.89 So it is learnable um f i i In the first place it's very easy to use. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1223.89 1232.64 And I think its scrollwheel is u easy to use as well, if you have ever used uh a different kind of uh of uh device. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1219.97 1220.55 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1221.84 1222.14 But TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1222.32 1224.6 It's Yeah it's TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1243.05 1249.94 So we h we have speech, uh the scroll wheel, and um the the the slide. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1236.15 1243.05 And maybe we uh maybe learnable is in uh compare of old fashion uh remote controls. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1231.26 1236.15 But we we've got the two so two uh two or three uh new things, huh? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1249.94 1250.82 You must slide it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1230.77 1231.26 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1231.3 1231.81 Device. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1258.47 1260.58 Because easy to use comes after learnable. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1253.91 1258.47 'Cause I think learnable is a l a less than um easy to use. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1251.15 1253.91 And that's not normal at the uh normal remote controls. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1260.58 1262.3 I I think it a three or something. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1254.01 1254.68 But yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1258.76 1259.22 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1259.88 1262.61 Okay, just Easy to use is very cool, so just give it a two. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1263.3 1264.44 Maybe three then. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1264.44 1265.32 Learnable's TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1265.46 1270.93 No, but definitely better, much better than uh than uh than avera average, yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1265.63 1266.78 Mm uh. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1268.65 1271.04 The normal. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1271.04 1274.65 And the one you showed is just all buttons and you don't know TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1270.71 1270.97 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1269.83 1270.71 Yeah okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1274.43 1275.06 Yep, true. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1276.27 1276.79 Then a two. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1281.6 1283.64 Techno technological innovative? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1277.27 1280.47 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1280.47 1281.6 New features. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1276.55 1277.27 Oh. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1277.15 1277.35 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1279.96 1280.56 Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1286.02 1286.34 Colour. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1283.65 1286.02 The speech function and the colour. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1284.73 1286.9 The speech function is new. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1286.9 1288.43 The scrollwheel and the slide. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1288.43 1290.54 Uh I think the slide is pretty new. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1285.88 1289.58 And the scrollwheel, backlights, slide. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1291.96 1292.95 I already have a TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1289.48 1291.49 Slide is not n is is not new. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1291.49 1291.96 No. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1292.02 1295.35 Uh I only saw it in a telephone, not in an remote control. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1298.09 1299.2 And they all have a slide in it. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1301.63 1301.93 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1294.15 1298.09 Uh I already have a V. C. R. and it's about from nineteen eighty eight. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1299.2 1301.63 So that's not new. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1296.93 1297.77 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1299.24 1302.3 But also slide that buttons come out, as well? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1302.3 1302.78 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1307.6 1308.76 Scrollwheel. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1306.52 1307.6 The lighting's new. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1302.88 1305.22 Okay, and the the the lightning? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1305.22 1306.52 Is that new? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1308.76 1309.33 Speech? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1305.93 1307.3 Yeah for a Uh for a f TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1304.95 1305.93 That's cool. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1307.19 1308.88 Mm it's pretty new, I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1307.54 1307.82 Yes. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1310.33 1311.07 Speech is new. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1312.05 1313.65 Different colours, so TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1313.82 1317.33 Yeah, different fronts for a remote control, I think that's new too. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1318.36 1318.67 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1318.49 1318.68 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1318.96 1320.49 So we have a pretty new uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1320.17 1323.36 There are no games on it, that's that's It's not a one, it's a two again. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1323.36 1323.94 But TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1320.46 1321.99 That would And we didn't uh TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1322.84 1325.36 It's it's it's not not L. C. D. or something. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1326.78 1328.77 We are forgetting about that now, but TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1324.68 1326.78 But then we also have the the home station. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1325.46 1326.08 If you have TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1331.45 1332.3 Rechargeable. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1329.61 1330.34 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1330.34 1331.45 Oh yeah, that's right. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1329.67 1330.16 Uh-oh. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1331.21 1331.91 Home-station. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1331.47 1333.04 We don't recharge. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1332.44 1334.6 Yeah, we didn't draw that too, but TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1335.06 1336.26 But that's more like uh now. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1336.5 1338.63 Yeah, just draw it afterwards. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1337.68 1340.28 Yeah, that's just a normal th s simple thing. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1339.63 1340.23 I don't know. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1340.77 1344.33 If you Can you save it on the same, in the same map as the other ones? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1344.33 1346.06 In the the project uh map? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1344.89 1345.31 Uh TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1347.06 1348.28 Just save, save as? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1348.51 1348.8 Mm-hmm. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1347.99 1348.51 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1351.38 1352.14 Uh save as? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1352.14 1353.21 No, that's not in the project. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1355.54 1356.91 L like number seven. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1354.14 1355.54 Well it's a already in the folder. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1357.12 1358.4 Oh yeah, okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1358.4 1359.06 Smart board. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1359.06 1359.7 Yeah, but this one. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1357.96 1358.5 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1358.61 1358.85 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1361.34 1363.45 This one is not yet in the Oh oh. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1364.41 1365.04 I think it is. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1368.86 1369.26 Yeah, it is. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1369.07 1370.02 No, I think it is. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1374.29 1374.57 Save. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1372.23 1374.29 Yeah, it doesn't matter. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1370.78 1372.23 Uh untitled? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1376.47 1376.87 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1376.89 1379.9 Uh all the the seven, uh all the seven. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1377.17 1379.54 But you still have to draw the resi the recharger. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1380.14 1383.41 And new features, so we give it a two or also again a one? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1383.41 1387.19 No, I think i if you have games on it, then then you give you have a one. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1379.54 1380.14 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1387.19 1387.75 But not TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1389.57 1390.45 Tha tha that TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1386.86 1389.57 No, we are not extraordinary new or something. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1389.29 1390.59 No, just so it's still a two. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1389.69 1391.82 Mm two, I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1389.91 1390.12 N TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1395.5 1396.14 Do we like it? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1392.24 1393.36 Targeted audience. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1393.36 1395.5 Uh we are the targeted audience? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1401.41 1401.92 Yes. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1395.66 1401.41 No, we we we searched for uh um a young group, audience, beneath f forty. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1401.42 1404.27 So we we are exactly the targeted group. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1399.45 1401.42 Yeah, but l younger than forty. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1409.77 1410.95 Th that's my question. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1404.22 1409.77 Yeah, but did we reach, um with our uh style, the targeted audience? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1411.3 1413.09 You get the fancy things for younger people. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1410.19 1411.3 I think so, yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1416.34 1417.13 So you want TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1413.09 1416.34 And you get the the aesthetic things for older people. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1413.13 1413.52 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1420.86 1421.31 So TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1416.2 1420.86 We've got a one for fancy look-and-feel, and that's what attracts the young audience. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1419.84 1420.3 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1422.04 1422.74 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1422.74 1431.3 Um the only point is that we don't uh have uh uh That's that's That's this question. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1422.75 1424.97 think that's a two or a one. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1432.84 1436.06 Yeah, but s it That's basically not not handy. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1436.06 1439.24 And I don't thi I don't see TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1440.25 1441.78 So we targeted it? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1439.59 1440.25 Yeah, this. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1440.25 1441.24 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1443.07 1445.53 But we didn't follow the latest trends. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1443.94 1444.47 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1447.28 1447.8 No. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1449.42 1451.82 Yeah, you could make a a front TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1450.98 1452.48 I think we followed the latest trends. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1449.97 1450.98 Mm. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1452.84 1456.88 a front that's that's like uh like a banana, or something. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1453.37 1458.39 Tha these are the only latest uh trends I uh get on my computer. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1457.02 1458.32 Oh right. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1458.32 1461.02 Well uh fruit and vegetables, yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1461.02 1462.57 You can different front uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1460.46 1461.72 Yeah, you get different colours. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1462.32 1466.1 Uh yeah, th So we had we uh have uh a fruit uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1463.41 1463.83 So TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1464.56 1467.51 Like a a f banana kind of front. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1468.15 1470.26 But spongy will never be. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1466.9 1468.15 Oh yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1470.54 1470.84 No. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1471.77 1473.6 So we give ourself a three or something. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1474.56 1474.8 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1475.85 1476.22 Oh. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1477.68 1478.23 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1478.57 1479.56 So that's eleven. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1479.94 1481.25 That's uh TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1485.03 1485.64 What's the average? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1485.49 1488.9 It's Yeah, it is one point eight three. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1485.61 1487.28 Eleven divided by six. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1493.64 1495.74 A perfect score. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1495.74 1496.53 No, I don't know. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1496.99 1499.28 We're not too hard on ourselves. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1502.19 1504.03 So you can see how far it's charged up. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1498.65 1502.19 This is a a power indicator. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1502.12 1502.52 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1504.53 1508.18 And and you need n uh a button to call it, to let it beep. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1504.8 1505.24 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1508.23 1509.88 To call. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1509.88 1510.59 Um TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1509.92 1511.22 Oh yeah, that's still TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1509.97 1510.62 Call TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1510.67 1512.83 Yeah, but uh we have to make a speaker then too. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1512.83 1513.92 If you want to make it beep. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1513.71 1515.27 Yeah, maybe we have to skip that one. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1513.89 1514.39 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1516.09 1518.44 That's Yeah, but it TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1516.51 1517.69 No no, I want that in. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1517.94 1521.94 But we can we can do it uh underneath the logo. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1521.76 1523.64 That's usable. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1519.25 1521.76 No, we need that. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1523.64 1524.55 That's really usable. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1523.28 1524.2 If you do uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1523.84 1524.36 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1524.64 1527.44 Yeah, th the speaker is very small as well, right? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1527.41 1528.04 Yeah, okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1528.3 1529.63 It's uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1529.88 1532.69 So I just got a financial um TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1529.92 1530.49 Yes uh. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1537.55 1539.58 You s saved it or TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1539 1539.32 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1541.68 1542.85 I did save it. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1551.55 1551.79 No. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1557.54 1559.95 If I forgot anything, just say it to me. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1554.04 1557.54 Okay, let's have a look at this one here, the production cost of it. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1569.07 1574.4 So I think we are pretty much in the right direction, because it's twelve point three Euros. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1561.41 1567.23 Yeah, there are some that they didn't mention, because recharge is not on the list. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1567.23 1569.07 But okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1560.44 1561.41 It just is a battery. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1573.11 1574.39 Mm okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1574.85 1577.75 That's fine. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1576.01 1577.86 But uh is uh uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1577.5 1580.98 So this is a regular chip incl and and a sample speaker. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1581.78 1582.2 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1582.4 1583.09 So that's both. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1584.33 1586.18 Uh twelve point three point three. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1583.2 1584.33 Come on, it's perfect. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1585.68 1588 Yeah, and single curved curved. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1587.38 1591.43 But but is it inc Does it include a a homestation or TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1591.38 1592.55 No, that's not on the list. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1592.55 1594.05 But that shouldn't be. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1593.26 1597.79 Can we make that for uh h twenty cents? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1595.88 1599.89 Yeah, we can uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1597.34 1605.47 I just The b the button supplements, I didn't I d I was wondering if this special colour maybe was I'm not sure. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1596.98 1597.34 Probably. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1604.67 1607.8 Um different fronts, but standard front won't be, yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1608.24 1609.49 See it's I think it's okay like this. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1608.56 1610.48 Special form, yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1620.15 1621.31 We get different ones, that's all. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1611.84 1616.04 But maybe we have to um Yeah, okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1611.04 1611.84 It's hard to say. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1616.04 1620.15 Special colour, you can skip this one, because it's all quite normal. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1619.58 1619.81 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1627.51 1629.5 But this is expensive, the sample speaker. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1623.3 1627.51 So you can put a recharger in it as well. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1630.46 1630.77 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1631.35 1631.62 This? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1632.36 1632.61 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1632.41 1633.18 Yeah, it's four. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1633.43 1634.38 It's four Euros. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1632.73 1633.43 Four. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1635.79 1637.46 Oh, them. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1637.46 1639.66 Is that uh included? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1639.66 1643.56 In the twelve Euro or Okay, then we then we need to use it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1638.44 1640.3 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1640.3 1641.11 So we are TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1640.72 1641.5 Yeah, that's included. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1641.24 1646.01 It's kind of weird that we we get this information now, afterwards. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1646.01 1646.55 Because TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1646.73 1648.94 Yeah, no. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1648.94 1651.44 Okay, so this is uh pretty much it this. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1647.23 1647.48 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1652.94 1655.11 Damn, solar cells are uh expensive. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1654.93 1659.7 So I just want you Yeah, we just made it. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1659.7 1663.67 So we can do the project evalu evaluation now for uh TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1665.12 1666.31 for everything together. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1666.39 1667.01 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1673.23 1673.56 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1676.91 1680.59 We can do some discussion about this. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1680.59 1682.21 Was there room for creativity? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1683.85 1684.25 Sure. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1686.32 1687.13 Yes. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1694.01 1694.33 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1695.19 1699.78 Paul, was there room for crea creativity? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1697.09 1698.73 Beautiful. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1702.1 1704.78 I think uh everyone uh already. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1704.78 1705.08 So TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1700.2 1702.1 Mm uh i Yeah, I think so. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1706.2 1709.1 Yeah m If we got a high mark for um TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1710.67 1714.57 uh innovativeness or innovativity TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1714.59 1715.11 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1715.2 1716.25 Or a different style. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1715.71 1718.57 then there we probably have been creative. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1718.99 1719.4 So TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1716.68 1718.99 I think we uh discussed a lot of things about it. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1719.52 1719.69 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1719.83 1720.34 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1721.78 1725.57 We could make a lot of different uh remote controls. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1725.57 1727.45 So it's creativity. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1724.81 1725.55 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1729.04 1729.42 Huh. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1737.11 1739.27 Okay, so the leadership TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1740.56 1742 Was there a leadership and TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1743.21 1744.1 Of course there was. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1744.49 1744.94 Okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1747.66 1748.63 What do you have to say about that? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1748.9 1750.63 No, I think Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1748.9 1753.03 Who was the leader? TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1750.54 1751 I dunno. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1755.26 1755.51 Not TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1752.16 1755.26 Just normal discussion, I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1756.09 1757.41 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1757.67 1759.05 one leader or something. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1759.42 1760.36 One leader to TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1762.07 1763.54 check the time, etcetera. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1764.45 1765.24 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1765.24 1769.2 And make notes. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1767.07 1768.14 Yeah, I know. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1770.05 1771.37 So more like a secretary. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1771.81 1772.13 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1771.99 1776.38 Okay, next one. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1781.45 1787.5 We were not all We were not um agree with every not agree with. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1787.5 1788.67 We're not finished. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1776.38 1781.45 Uh team work um The the third meeting I think that one was pretty hard. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1785.07 1786.48 Yeah yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1786.48 1787.46 We were not finished. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1786.94 1792.68 Yeah, w we had so much information, that we get through email and just TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1789.88 1790.34 Uh. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1800.12 1806.67 If we knew that before, we could have uh had discussion really uh s really quicker. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1795.98 1798.71 I think that was the m biggest problem. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1792.26 1795.98 Uh I think we we got wrong information at the wrong time. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1798.71 1800.12 Like uh the prices. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1798.08 1798.35 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1798.59 1798.99 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1802.76 1803.64 Yeah, th that's weird. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1807.2 1807.89 Yeah, because TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1809.4 1812.4 the prices uh could be twenty Euros or something now. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1812.4 1813.4 And then TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1811.95 1814.72 Yeah, and if you had uh fifteen Euros, then we would it. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1814.72 1815.9 We had to TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1815.14 1816.87 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1815.48 1816.29 Hmm hmm yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1817.99 1819.2 Yeah, finance. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1819.52 1823.49 So we're bacal basically just lucky to uh get the price right. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1822.48 1822.79 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1825.62 1826.82 But the teamwork was okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1830.32 1830.98 And uh TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1827.13 1830.32 Yeah, uh everybody could speak their uh opinion. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1834.89 1839.25 Like marketing said things and then we had to i include them in the design. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1831.8 1834.89 I think uh everyone listen to each other. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1834.28 1834.47 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1839.46 1839.88 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1841.35 1841.56 'Kay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1849.65 1855.83 But if you want to download it to your computer, it's doesn't work. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1845.51 1847.73 The smart board is okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1847.73 1848.82 Digital pen is horrible. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1855.83 1856.06 No. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1842.84 1845.51 Yeah, what I have to say about uh means. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1848.82 1849.65 I dunno if you use it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1854.1 1854.73 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1865.31 1866.86 Yeah, more accurate. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1863.55 1865.31 Just not work too slow. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1856.07 1863.55 Well uh smart board would be very uh nice to work with, if it worked really well. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1854.21 1856.07 It was Just doesn't work. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1856.65 1857.87 Digital pen or TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1858.36 1860.5 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1863.35 1866.83 Yeah, i if if it would be faster, it would be great. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1863.9 1868.01 Yeah, the drawings are are hard to make, I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1868.34 1870.68 Yeah, it's i It should be more accurate. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1870.85 1871.57 Precise. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1871.08 1871.4 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1873.23 1878.62 And uh I think it would be great if you could edit it from, just with a mouse, from where you're sitting. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1878.57 1878.87 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1879.73 1881.73 Not just pointing out on it. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1884.46 1886.86 That's much easier than standing there. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1886.86 1887.78 And so you've TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1881.26 1883.63 It's the same for the presenta for the presentations. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1883.63 1884.46 You can do it from here. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1886.04 1886.29 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1887.86 1889.82 Yeah, and p just point with a mouse. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1896.38 1897.48 It's just slows down. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1894.07 1896.38 No use to draw on the board itself. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1897.89 1898.07 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1897.98 1898.32 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1899.81 1903.9 Just old fashioned kinda blackboard style. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1903.9 1907.33 But you might as well do it in normal computer style. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1902.11 1902.43 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1904.24 1905.68 Yeah, like. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1908.06 1911.2 Yeah, even harder to draw like this than black board style. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1910.31 1910.61 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1909.63 1910.31 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1912.24 1914.18 And it's far too slow this way. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1914.27 1914.47 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1916 1916.42 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1917.06 1919.81 You cou You could draw on it, but not as main function. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1920.32 1920.58 No. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1921.19 1922.99 I think Yeah, okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1923.66 1924.5 Digital pen. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1931.01 1932.54 And we made a remote control. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1929.19 1931.01 So we made it in time. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1933.03 1935.01 We did it. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1936.09 1937.36 In the budget, yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1939.11 1940.08 New ideas found. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1942.77 1943.5 New ideas. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1944.56 1945.01 What's that? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1944.82 1945.54 Oh TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1944.94 1945.99 For for for TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1947.57 1948.03 Just TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1945.9 1947.57 I don't know what it mean. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1948.14 1949.68 I just think if we uh TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1951.8 1954.03 To gather, or to uh TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1956.76 1959 work together, uh or new ideas for TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1959.26 1960.14 I dunno. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1961.61 1962.91 No, for the project. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1959.46 1961.61 For remote control probably. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1963.64 1967.33 For remote control, a favourite for your text. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1970.91 1971.27 Hmm. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1971.06 1973.51 No, for the prototype. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 1973.51 1974.17 New ideas. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1977.52 1982.49 Yeah, but still, you couldn't make a fancy a f you couldn't make a a prototype out of this. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1982.49 1986.48 Because we don't have any sizes and TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1986.48 1987.33 Yeah. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1987.33 1988.7 But it's for the next team. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 1988.7 1989.88 We don't have to do that. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 1988.64 1992.95 Yeah, but it You can't possibly do that in such a short time, I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1989.26 1990.2 That's for. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 1998.88 2001.57 Yeah, this this is just the idea phase, the TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2001.8 2003.9 Yeah, just brainstorming basically. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2003.68 2003.96 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2006.29 2007.22 Details uh TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2021.69 2022.99 So are we finished? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2023.19 2023.74 Hmm. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2023.79 2026.36 Yes, I think just I just write a final report. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2026.89 2028.24 Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2028.24 2028.79 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2027.22 2027.84 Quite early. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2029.16 2030.44 No, we have only TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2032.96 2033.46 Uh it's okay. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2031.8 2032.96 four minutes left. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2034.35 2035.04 Oh okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2035.35 2036.97 Oh, what do we have to do now. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2036.97 2037.62 Do we uh TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2039.03 2040.97 I thought we were done at four o'clock? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2044.44 2044.88 So TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2041.98 2044.44 It's now quarter past three. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2044.98 2045.15 Yep. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2048.97 2051.34 I should take some pictures uh. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2051.63 2052.16 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2052.77 2054.46 Mm we can do it afterwards, so TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2053.98 2054.58 Yes. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2059.28 2060.52 Let's play minesweeper. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2062 2063.05 I found it as well. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2060.93 2062 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2063.14 2067.1 Ti-din ti-din. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2086.09 2087.54 One two three TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2089.21 2091.13 four five six seven cameras. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2095.34 2095.94 Mm not bad. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2184.82 2185.88 So that was it. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2188.19 2189.11 Now we can look at this. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2186.9 2188.19 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2199.42 2199.94 This is TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2199.99 2202.82 We're probably not supposed to look at this, but TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2203.22 2204.53 The old versions. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2205.04 2206.91 Yeah, from the previous group. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2208.3 2209.44 They went for uh TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2215.19 2217.5 Yeah, but also a different device. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2212.8 2215.19 for a universal device. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2213.91 2215.6 The touchscreen, yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2217.73 2218.1 Yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2219.12 2221.14 Then an L. C. D. uh would be handy. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2221.77 2222.04 Hmm. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2223.98 2224.6 Here are the TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2225.96 2228.84 basic functions in here, the selecting dev devices. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2229.23 2233.1 Yeah, and touch screens for all our stuff, yeah. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2233.1 2234.38 I do agree with that. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2232.01 2232.34 Hmm. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2258.02 2258.96 Yeah, tu-dum. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2261.82 2263.17 English is not so hard by the way. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2263.92 2264.26 No. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2269.48 2271.21 I'm breaking a world record here. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2276.42 2277.06 Well, leader? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2281.23 2282.21 Oh shit. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2281.25 2282.3 Project Manager? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2284.64 2286.38 We've got a problem, Paul. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2287.35 2289.23 Yeah, you have to make a choice. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2287.17 2287.35 You do? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2287.77 2288.16 Yes. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2290.12 2290.94 No it's your choice. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2291.57 2292.64 Wow, that's pretty quick. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2293.44 2295.73 Tu-dum. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2296.59 2298.18 Uh uh um TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2298.21 2298.83 Just pick one. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2299.96 2301.85 You have to decide. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2303.73 2304.65 It's the lower one. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2306.57 2309.63 A bomb or not a bo This the bomb? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2305.83 2306.57 What's this? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2307.52 2309.58 No no, the upper one is the bomb. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2309.58 2309.94 Yes. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2311.98 2312.21 Wrong. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2313.5 2315.86 Shit. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2315.86 2318.23 I knew it. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2315.01 2315.71 I knew it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2328.17 2329.02 Four in a row. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2336.33 2337.21 That's too much work. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2335.5 2336.33 No. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2335.94 2338.46 Uh. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2343.14 2343.5 Come on. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2344.41 2345.63 Is that previous work? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2346.53 2347.29 Yeah, this one. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2347.61 2348.56 I challenge you. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2353.61 2355.12 Oh, that's so stupid. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2359.28 2360.21 No, that doesn't work. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2361.55 2363.31 No, you gotta use the magic pen. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2365.75 2366.21 Hmm. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2367.92 2368.48 What if TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2370.42 2372.05 I put one TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2373.62 2373.89 there? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2374.27 2375.09 That's stupid. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2377 2377.44 We'll see. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2377.81 2378.21 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2383.44 2384.17 I don't agree. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2389.46 2389.96 Mm. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2397.03 2399.04 Sorry. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2398.6 2400.33 Yeah, you had two choices. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2406.54 2407.38 That's gonna be draw. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2414.26 2414.76 Or not. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2416.23 2416.53 Hmm. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2419.69 2420.19 Too bad. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2428.5 2429.12 Then TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2425.58 2428.5 You are going to put it there. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2422.88 2425.58 I'll put it here. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2425.29 2430.29 Yeah, then I put it there. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2430.29 2431.17 No one wins. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2431.07 2434.14 It's a difficult choice, either here or there. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2438.05 2439.56 This is a very interesting design. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2449.12 2450.03 Ugly. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2451.07 2453.04 It's just the same as normal. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2453.71 2454.56 Oh a pen. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2454.42 2457.38 Well it has a L. C. D., I think. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2456.65 2457.45 Yeah, but TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2456.92 2457.56 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2459.27 2460.48 Then do it correctly. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2460.56 2464.08 Stupid design. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2464.08 2466.67 Stupid. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2461.11 2465.46 And what else do we have? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2464.64 2466.69 Stupid, the L. C. D. screen. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2473.42 2477.04 'Kay wait, I'm going to draw something and you must y TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2478.34 2478.55 What? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2480.27 2482.03 Okay, I'm going to guess what you're drawing. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2482.12 2483.17 Okay, blank. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2484.03 2485.21 No no, the new one. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2485.61 2487.28 Oh. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2486.98 2488.1 Uh they just don't save it. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2492.34 2492.73 Um TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2496.63 2497.44 I know uh. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2498.94 2499.38 A house? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2502.03 2504.1 Yeah, you have to use the pen s stupid. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2503.63 2505.23 You have to save everything, you know that, huh? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2506.31 2507.55 No, not everything. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2508.57 2509.12 Oh. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2508.69 2509.44 Yeah, everything. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2510.98 2512.62 Pen, select select pen. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2511.46 2511.89 Pen. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2512.92 2514.94 It wants to know what we do in our spare time. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2515.88 2516.25 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2518.59 2519.13 It's a house. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2521.69 2522.17 A plant? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2522.66 2524.71 No, it's Only you can know it. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2525.67 2526.69 Oh yeah, I can know it. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2533.16 2534.18 It's a TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2535.6 2537.01 It's uh very hard to draw. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2538.34 2541.25 Okay, that makes it easier. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2547.23 2548.71 I think I know. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2548.71 2549.55 No, wrong. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2555.94 2557.77 Mm. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2557 2560.15 I think I know what you're trying to draw, but it's wrong already. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2560.87 2562.55 It's very TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2568.67 2569.94 Yeah, you missed the right side. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2575 2575.57 Fuck. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2575.57 2575.62 F TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2579.92 2581.69 No, you're wrong, you're wrong TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2581.43 2584.13 A little bit maybe, but TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2599.08 2600.15 See where you're wrong now? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2602.1 2602.88 The entrance. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2602.92 2605.03 Yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2605.19 2606.26 Finish meeting now. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2604.75 2605.19 Warning. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2607.85 2608.79 Alright. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2608.69 2611.28 Okay, the entrance is uh more to the left. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2612.39 2613.23 Warning. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2611.66 2612.39 Warning. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2613.08 2614.02 You're correct. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2616.14 2620.59 But but but I think this part TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2614.79 2616.14 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2621.54 2626.61 Yeah, but I think Oh no you made another mistake. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2626.58 2629.03 Oh. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2629.03 2632.68 Yeah, there are a lot of mistakes, because the walls are thick like this. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2633.21 2636.81 No I w Okay, I'm not that whiny. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2636.81 2640.27 But uh there was a big hole here as well, and there as well. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2639.65 2641.06 Oh, that's true. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2641.06 2642.57 Uh here. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2642.57 2644.22 Yeah, they're walking behind the walls. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2641.79 2642.8 That's a kinda big mistake. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2644.47 2649.69 Warning, finish meeting now. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2651.36 2653.13 Guys, I think we have to finish the meeting. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2654.38 2655.06 Okay. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2657.47 2658.66 'Kay this is a hard one. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2660.74 2660.92 Uh? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2664.78 2666.15 Boom-boa-ring-bing. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2667.9 2668.71 What does it say? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2669.48 2670.82 Fill in the questionnaire. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2675.68 2676.16 What now? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2678.59 2679.24 Come on. TS3004d H00 MTD013PM 2687.4 2688.54 Okay, yeah. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2688.1 2688.52 Okay. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2688.33 2688.69 Yep. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2688.5 2689.06 Okay. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2692.08 2693.16 No more chit-chat. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2693.52 2694.54 Oh you gotta finish TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2694.02 2695.28 Che-che-che-che. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2700.84 2702.14 I'm gonna be so lonely. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2696.24 2697.68 over there? TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2697.68 2700.84 In your own room? TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2697.51 2697.81 Yeah. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2700.8 2701.25 Tu-dumm. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2705.15 2705.59 Uh. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2706.09 2708.02 Mm I'll clean that up later. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2710.78 2712.48 This is That's my new interface. TS3004d H01 MTD015UID 2713.48 2713.98 What's that? TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2715.56 2717.6 That's a uh edited smiley. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2731.86 2732.06 Uh. TS3004d H03 MTD016ME 2728.86 2731.86 Tom-ti-dom. TS3004d H02 MTD014ID 2739.71 2740.24 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 7.81 9.19 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 12.49 14.34 Well, the building is too small for our group. IB4001 H01 FIE038 9.19 12.49 So as you guys know f, ISSCO is too small. IB4001 H01 FIE038 16.67 18.8 Uh it's gonna be the building across the street. IB4001 H01 FIE038 18.8 21.68 And we're actually moving in three weeks. IB4001 H01 FIE038 38.82 42.17 And they want to know where we're gonna do all this by November second. IB4001 H01 FIE038 21.68 30.95 But the problem is that the administration wants to know who is going to be in what office in the new building and where we're g we're gonna put things like the printer, IB4001 H01 FIE038 14.34 16.67 So we're moving to a new building. IB4001 H01 FIE038 30.95 33.83 the fax machine, all the big equipment. IB4001 H01 FIE038 33.83 38.82 And the catch is that they have the final approval of where we put people and equipment. IB4001 H01 FIE038 47.52 52.35 And since we don't really have any other time we have to make these decisions today. IB4001 H01 FIE038 63.78 68.59 Um there's two views, either of the old town or the mountains and the rooms have various sizes. IB4001 H01 FIE038 68.59 72.98 There's two three people rooms, five two person rooms which are on the corners of the building, IB4001 H01 FIE038 72.98 77.86 so you actually get windows on two walls, and two one person rooms. IB4001 H01 FIE038 42.91 47.52 So that means basically next Tuesday. IB4001 H01 FIE038 52.35 59 What we're getting is nine rooms for a maximum of eighteen people, which is okay, 'cause there's only fifteen of us. IB4001 H01 FIE038 59 63.78 And all the rooms have windows luckily, so there's no fights about who gets a window and who doesn't. IB4001 H01 FIE038 91.28 97.24 Um you can see the bathrooms, the elevators are sort of further down the hall. IB4001 H01 FIE038 110.53 116.12 And the equipment that we have to put somewhere are like I said the photocopier, which is really big, IB4001 H01 FIE038 84.41 91.28 The courtyard, because we're on the sixth floor, you can't actually go out to it, but it just means that the windows look out onto open space. IB4001 H01 FIE038 103.14 110.53 All of the windows open, you can get out onto the terrace just like we can in our normal building. IB4001 H01 FIE038 78.61 80.94 That's pretty much what the building looks like. IB4001 H01 FIE038 97.24 103.14 The purple bar at the bottom, sort of on the right is the mail-boxes. IB4001 H01 FIE038 116.12 121.69 the fax machine, which is not so big, and the printer, which is relatively big. IB4001 H01 FIE038 80.94 84.41 Um and then you have the number of people per room. IB4001 H01 FIE038 122.24 126.12 Each office has a white board, a bulletin board and a coat rack. IB4001 H01 FIE038 137.91 142.72 and by small I mean they're about that tall, and one sort of hanging shelf. IB4001 H01 FIE038 142.72 146.91 So we don't get the bookcases like we have now, but just one shelf that's attached to the wall. IB4001 H01 FIE038 133.32 137.91 so like the n the ones that we have now, um a small filing cabinet with three drawers, IB4001 H01 FIE038 126.12 133.32 No cupboards like we have in the current offices, and each person gets their own chair, their own corner desk, IB4001 H02 FIO093 140.05 140.24 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 163.21 168.83 Whether we want to do it by rank, or by project, or IB4001 H01 FIE038 148.41 158.01 And the people that we have to place, uh you can see the list there along with their position and the project that they work on. IB4001 H01 FIE038 158.01 163.21 And I guess the question the first question is how we want to organise people. IB4001 H01 FIE038 180.71 185.49 there's another group who's gonna be working on the same plan later this week. IB4001 H01 FIE038 185.49 193.56 And then Andre and I have to do presentations for the university administrators on the second. IB4001 H01 FIE038 170.75 176.99 I don't know, put all the P. H. D. students together, all the professors together, that sort of thing. IB4001 H01 FIE038 176.99 180.71 So the idea is that we come up with a plan. IB4001 H01 FIE038 193.56 198.08 So we have to come up with a plan, possibly, if we have time, a presentation IB4001 H01 FIE038 203.05 203.49 Okay? IB4001 H01 FIE038 198.08 203.05 a quick presentation with arguments for why we think our plan works best. IB4001 H02 FIO093 204.12 204.59 Alright. IB4001 H00 MIO092 204.23 204.53 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 205.9 211.21 So, anyone have any ideas or IB4001 H01 FIE038 212.84 213.4 I guess IB4001 H00 MIO092 214.12 226.67 Uh do we know if there will be a lot of people coming across the hall in terms of security stuff if we can I mean my idea is to put the photocopier and the fax in the hall. IB4001 H01 FIE038 227.48 232.74 Um I think it's the security is sort of the same as it is in the current building. IB4001 H01 FIE038 226.8 227.48 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 232.74 238.77 So as long as the things are physically attached to the wall, so they can't be removed, then it should be okay to leave them in the hall. IB4001 H00 MIO092 227.61 228.32 Um. IB4001 H00 MIO092 232.78 233.13 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 235.25 235.55 Mm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 236.87 237.17 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 235.99 236.87 We can put it. IB4001 H00 MIO092 236.84 237.45 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 238.5 238.82 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 243.28 247.23 It's just a question of whether you are printing sensitive documents or n whatever. IB4001 H00 MIO092 244.29 244.53 Mm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 246.25 246.46 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 246.44 247.47 Mm yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 249.38 251.68 So we only get one printer for fifteen people? IB4001 H01 FIE038 260.7 264.74 I think Susan has a personal printer, Gisella has one maybe. IB4001 H01 FIE038 252.48 260.7 Um well we get one sort of networked printer and then I think some of us have personal printers. IB4001 H00 MIO092 261.57 261.87 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 265.27 266.45 Yeah, and that's it. IB4001 H01 FIE038 267.18 267.37 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 270.35 273.18 In terms of equipment it's sort of the same thing as we have now. IB4001 H01 FIE038 267.37 270.35 But no-one else gets their own printer. IB4001 H01 FIE038 265.89 267.18 I can't remember who else. IB4001 H00 MIO092 268.82 269.02 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 272.38 272.77 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 277.67 278.19 Um. IB4001 H01 FIE038 288.77 294.83 and then go off and think about it over lunch and then come back later in the day with sort of more specific proposals IB4001 H01 FIE038 294.83 297.45 as to exactly where to put people. IB4001 H01 FIE038 282.88 288.77 So what I'd propose is that we sort of discuss various concepts without getting into specifics IB4001 H00 MIO092 288.24 288.62 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 291.2 291.64 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 294.33 295.48 Mm yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 295.1 295.55 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 299.08 301.32 Does that work? IB4001 H01 FIE038 316.25 316.57 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 301.32 310.19 Oh, and on the map the little half-circular, well, quater circles are doors, which I'm assuming you've figured out, but just in case. IB4001 H01 FIE038 310.19 316.25 And there's just the one room that actually has two doors going into it, the the three person room on the right. IB4001 H00 MIO092 306.43 307.8 Mm-hmm okay. IB4001 H02 FIO093 307.05 307.75 'Kay sure. IB4001 H02 FIO093 307.75 309.17 Yeah IB4001 H03 MIO091 313.88 314.97 The three person room? IB4001 H00 MIO092 317 320.19 And do we need a room like a reading room or Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 314.57 317 rooms, yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 319.74 320.83 Yes, yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 320.83 324.13 A lot of people were saying that they wanted to have a reading room. IB4001 H02 FIO093 324.85 325.61 That's a good idea. IB4001 H01 FIE038 329.3 334.28 And we can, because like I said maximum eighteen people in those rooms and there is only fifteen of us. IB4001 H01 FIE038 334.28 340.61 And I don't know if you've noticed, but two of us are only here half the time. IB4001 H01 FIE038 345.93 346.42 So IB4001 H01 FIE038 325.45 329.3 So we should leave a space for that. IB4001 H01 FIE038 340.61 345.93 So Martin and David um are half the time at the E. P. F. L. and half the time in Geneva. IB4001 H00 MIO092 326.05 326.38 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 329.2 329.66 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 333.68 333.9 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 340.81 341.03 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 339.9 340.81 Mm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 348.68 351.58 sort of keep that in mind, I guess, when IB4001 H00 MIO092 350.45 350.8 Mm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 352.9 354.26 you are doing the actual planning. IB4001 H03 MIO091 361.63 362.1 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 368.34 376.16 I mean, it's completely different work so we can deal with administration and decide something for administration and then IB4001 H00 MIO092 362.99 368.34 The first split we can do is between administration and reasearch uh. IB4001 H01 FIE038 368.27 368.46 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 377.13 377.69 for the other. IB4001 H01 FIE038 378.35 378.68 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 377.16 378.35 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 379.88 384.66 But Gisella's really the only administrator. IB4001 H01 FIE038 384.66 385.01 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 388.99 395.54 because I was thinking uh Gisella is quite, I mean, Gile Gisella's work is quite noisy, because it's secretary so, IB4001 H00 MIO092 382.53 383.25 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 395.54 399.12 yeah, lot of phone call and stuff like that so Yeah, IB4001 H00 MIO092 399.12 407.63 so you won't share an office with Gisella unless you are fifty per cent and not the fifty per cent Gisella is working, which is another condition. IB4001 H00 MIO092 383.25 388.99 But at least deal with that particular situation and then see with the other, IB4001 H02 FIO093 382.7 383.78 Ad administrator. IB4001 H01 FIE038 386.62 386.85 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 395.94 396.21 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 397.68 399.23 And she's always moving around. IB4001 H01 FIE038 401.56 401.72 No. IB4001 H01 FIE038 406.13 406.48 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 407.91 412.2 Which I don't know if we can assume that there isn't going to be any overlap between them. IB4001 H00 MIO092 411.06 412.18 Yeah mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 421.51 427.2 So I don't know, maybe we can decide that Gisella is having one of the one person room. IB4001 H03 MIO091 429.27 429.66 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 427.22 429.27 Yeah, I w I would suggest that too. IB4001 H02 FIO093 428.12 429.01 Yeah, that would be IB4001 H02 FIO093 430.07 431.1 maybe convenient. IB4001 H01 FIE038 431.76 432.06 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 432.06 438.22 Either that or maybe put her in a two person room with the equipment or IB4001 H00 MIO092 431.96 432.44 Mm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 436.02 437.09 With someone IB4001 H02 FIO093 438.43 441.76 Yeah, and with someone who is who is fifty pro percent. IB4001 H01 FIE038 439.25 443.04 Like with the the photocopier, or Maybe not the photocopier, but the printer. IB4001 H00 MIO092 439.56 439.75 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 446.18 446.58 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 446.58 449.15 But at least the thing we know that Gisella is gonna be alone. IB4001 H01 FIE038 449.4 450.14 Yeah, yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 450.12 451.21 Yeah, okay, mm-hmm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 450.52 451.88 Or with equipment, but IB4001 H01 FIE038 452.52 455.79 And not with a hundred percent staff yeah a staff worker. IB4001 H00 MIO092 454.34 454.97 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 453.25 454.34 humanly alone. IB4001 H03 MIO091 457.01 461.57 Okay, so th that's a one person room, but we don't know how how big they are. IB4001 H03 MIO091 463.02 469.48 I mean, Gisella has this funny uh typing uh thing. IB4001 H03 MIO091 469.48 469.86 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 461.57 463.02 Or it's hard to tell. IB4001 H01 FIE038 468.97 472.18 I mean the rooms aren't tiny if you look at the this IB4001 H01 FIE038 467.46 468.97 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 468.52 470.09 Typing machine. IB4001 H03 MIO091 471.31 472.73 Computer, fax. IB4001 H00 MIO092 472.54 472.85 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 474 476.43 So probably sh she should get the fax, right? IB4001 H01 FIE038 477.92 481.45 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense to put the fax in there. IB4001 H00 MIO092 478.09 478.43 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 478.44 479.3 Yes, yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 483.1 484.31 Uh. IB4001 H01 FIE038 486.15 487.97 So. IB4001 H00 MIO092 511.65 514.88 And then I think the main discussion we should have is IB4001 H00 MIO092 516.5 524.04 um if we want to make group of among the same project or among the same title IB4001 H01 FIE038 525.09 525.41 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 525.15 527.82 Or uh yeah, professor assistent or uh IB4001 H00 MIO092 528.09 529.49 Or Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 525.94 528.09 or Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 529.49 531.85 Couple of professor and assistant or IB4001 H02 FIO093 531.66 532.65 Or uh yeah IB4001 H00 MIO092 536.85 541.96 That's more a conceptual question than a practical question. IB4001 H01 FIE038 539.82 540.05 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 553.54 553.72 Right. IB4001 H01 FIE038 558.28 561.71 but you also sort of interact with other people on a more regular basis. IB4001 H01 FIE038 542.77 549.54 Well, the third option is just completely mix everyone up, which some people say is better sort of for a group environment IB4001 H01 FIE038 549.54 553.54 so that you are not stuck only with the people who are working on your project. IB4001 H01 FIE038 553.72 558.28 So if you share an office with someone who's on a completely different project, you find out about that project IB4001 H00 MIO092 546.87 547.12 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 547.09 547.44 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 552.7 553.02 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 553.22 554.13 Yeah, that's true. IB4001 H00 MIO092 554.66 555.04 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 556.44 557.61 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 557.61 557.9 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 560.6 561.7 Mm yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 560.6 562.12 Mm mm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 574.48 575.76 I don't know if it's uh IB4001 H02 FIO093 569.11 574.48 because you have the meetings or people come and ask you discuss things maybe. IB4001 H02 FIO093 563.41 569.11 But still I find it's quite easy if you are with people who work in the same project in the same room IB4001 H02 FIO093 580.94 583.97 That's that's true. IB4001 H02 FIO093 577.41 579.97 for other people who is not working on the same project. IB4001 H02 FIO093 583.97 584.53 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 579.97 580.94 Yeah, that's true. IB4001 H00 MIO092 579.96 583.58 Yeah, but we will have this reading room, which can be IB4001 H00 MIO092 578.89 579.96 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 587.85 589.83 Can reserve it for meetings. IB4001 H03 MIO091 583.38 587.85 'Kay uh will it be dedicated for reading and for studying or can we have meetings there. IB4001 H01 FIE038 583.83 584.27 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 596.14 598.8 but if it's empty, then sure you can use it for a meeting. IB4001 H01 FIE038 599.88 605.95 But I think if someone's already reading in there, it's not fair to go and kick them out just because you want to have a meeting 'cause IB4001 H01 FIE038 598.8 599.88 There's nothing wrong with that. IB4001 H01 FIE038 590.55 596.14 I think it's not a question of reserving it, because there's other rooms at the university that you can reserve for a meeting, IB4001 H00 MIO092 592.87 593.17 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 595.52 597.04 Yeah, for a real meeting. IB4001 H02 FIO093 598.2 600.02 You can u mm-hmm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 599.16 599.65 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 602.65 603.01 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 605 605.41 Mm. IB4001 H03 MIO091 606.42 617.75 the the problem is if you have to go across the building and it adds some overhead every time you want to have some short meeting and discuss some issues. IB4001 H03 MIO091 617.75 620.82 Or maybe we shouldn't call it reading room, but IB4001 H03 MIO091 605.59 606.42 Well IB4001 H02 FIO093 614.17 616.14 Meeting about the project. IB4001 H00 MIO092 615.41 615.84 No. IB4001 H01 FIE038 619.07 621.38 But if you're having a short meeting you don't really IB4001 H01 FIE038 624.02 628.75 You just kind of go to someone's office and go down for a coffee or whatever. IB4001 H01 FIE038 622.82 624.02 make an appointment for it. IB4001 H00 MIO092 624.12 624.72 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 627.09 627.55 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 627.73 628.64 Mm yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 631.3 634.78 'Cause there's still the cafeterias that you can use for informal IB4001 H00 MIO092 636.16 642.02 The other thing we should take into account is if you receive student or not, because IB4001 H00 MIO092 634.98 636.16 Mm yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 642.5 642.76 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 649.3 655.13 So it means you get time where a lot of people come along and talk and So it's maybe IB4001 H00 MIO092 643.96 649.3 Marianne and I interact a lot with student and we have reception hours and stuff like that. IB4001 H02 FIO093 646.34 646.92 Hmm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 645.79 646.34 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 649.11 649.4 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 654.59 656.7 And the other Marianne too. IB4001 H01 FIE038 653.96 654.59 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 656.7 657.79 So there's three of you. IB4001 H00 MIO092 656.07 664.88 Yeah, so maybe it's not really nice to have to share an office with somebody like us, having a lot of social life and IB4001 H02 FIO093 662.36 666.42 People coming and going. IB4001 H01 FIE038 664.34 669.56 Well, but then you either share offices with each other, which doesn't really solve the problem IB4001 H01 FIE038 669.56 672.97 because chances are you are not gonna have office hours at the exact same time. IB4001 H00 MIO092 667.17 667.46 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 673.13 673.58 Mm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 673.67 674.52 Yeah, we don't. IB4001 H01 FIE038 674.16 676.8 So you're still going to have IB4001 H00 MIO092 675.22 675.62 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 678.12 685.77 Like unless you get individual offices, I don't know if there's an easy way to find a solution for that. IB4001 H00 MIO092 680.45 680.9 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 684.22 684.72 I dunno. IB4001 H00 MIO092 683.26 684.22 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 690.21 694.85 'Cause even if each of you share with a professor, then it's the same thing for the professor. IB4001 H00 MIO092 693.16 695.33 Yeah mm mm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 694.63 695.49 Yep, yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 696.8 697.01 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 698.92 700.34 But it is something to keep in mind. IB4001 H01 FIE038 710.93 713.86 Some people come in around eleven and some people come in around eight. IB4001 H01 FIE038 702.71 710.93 Unless you end up sharing an office with someone where your schedules completely don't overlap, and then you can schedule office hours when the other person isn't there. IB4001 H00 MIO092 707.65 708.73 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 710.9 711.26 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 714.2 721.27 Yeah, but that's something we can't reasonably assume like that and make plans with that because IB4001 H02 FIO093 714.75 714.94 Mm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 718.78 719.15 No. IB4001 H01 FIE038 723.51 724.02 I mean, IB4001 H01 FIE038 721.69 723.51 No, but you sort of see people's patterns. IB4001 H00 MIO092 724.51 724.79 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 725.41 731.23 even if it's not always like that, I mean if it's like that, you know, eighty per cent of the time, then IB4001 H00 MIO092 726.92 727.4 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 728.85 729.17 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 733.75 736.88 But you're right, we can't make assumptions too much. IB4001 H00 MIO092 736.55 736.84 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H03 MIO091 744.51 752.7 So people would like to see uh the office organised by uh by by rank like professors and students and IB4001 H00 MIO092 752.95 753.56 I don't know. IB4001 H01 FIE038 755.29 755.8 I think IB4001 H01 FIE038 757.78 761.85 Well, it's up to us how we do it. IB4001 H01 FIE038 761.85 764.05 I can see benefits of both. IB4001 H00 MIO092 763.73 764.04 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 764.15 765.71 Yeah, it certainly is. IB4001 H01 FIE038 765.74 765.98 But IB4001 H00 MIO092 766.61 772.26 One point I can say by experience, it's really hard to share an office with three people IB4001 H00 MIO092 772.26 776.99 because it makes much more noise that only being two in an office. IB4001 H01 FIE038 777.9 778.08 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 778.08 779.11 Plus the computers. IB4001 H00 MIO092 780.43 780.89 So IB4001 H00 MIO092 779.08 780.43 Plus the computers. IB4001 H02 FIO093 779.33 780.21 Plus the com Mm-hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 780.81 784.41 And we all know what it's like to have five computers in your office. IB4001 H00 MIO092 783.43 785.05 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 785.05 795.64 So we might be It might be a good idea to first exclude one of the three person room to be the reading room and not to be necessary IB4001 H00 MIO092 799.44 800.45 A working room. IB4001 H00 MIO092 796.75 799.44 a room with three people. IB4001 H02 FIO093 799.98 809.46 Yeah, but if there are people coming in, I mean, we have these people working for uh two months, who comes in the summertime or something. IB4001 H02 FIO093 813.99 815.12 So uh IB4001 H02 FIO093 809.46 813.99 I th think we should reserve a little bit space for them too. IB4001 H01 FIE038 815.65 819.82 Yeah, that's a good point, because if we take the three person room out as a reading room, IB4001 H02 FIO093 820.45 821.64 It's quite big IB4001 H01 FIE038 823.91 825.35 'Cause it's maximum eighteen. IB4001 H01 FIE038 820.96 823.91 then everyone has an office, right? IB4001 H01 FIE038 826.79 831.99 So take away three spaces and you're down to your fifteen, and you're right, if we do have a stagieur, whoever, IB4001 H01 FIE038 831.99 837.71 who comes in, then we have nowhere Well, we can put them in the reading room, but that kind of defeats the purpose. IB4001 H00 MIO092 828.07 828.65 Oh yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 828.65 829.68 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 829.68 829.98 Oh yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 831.81 832.17 Okay. IB4001 H02 FIO093 832.82 833.13 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 835.35 835.59 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 837.27 837.71 Yeah yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 845.91 850.81 And leave a spare space for or IB4001 H00 MIO092 839.64 845.91 So the other solution is to say, okay we use a three person room, but only with two person each time. IB4001 H01 FIE038 847.7 847.96 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H03 MIO091 848.96 850.3 Yeah, that's a good idea, yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 849.36 851.29 For soemthing, yeah, mm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 850.66 851.04 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 853.67 854.83 But avoiding IB4001 H00 MIO092 856.5 861.58 having three person full-time in a same room could be a good idea, I think. IB4001 H01 FIE038 859.67 860.02 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 861.16 862.89 Yeah, that's yeah, certainly is. IB4001 H01 FIE038 862.02 865.97 Or again find people who don't work the same hours. IB4001 H00 MIO092 866.1 866.43 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 867.26 869.64 It doesn't completely solve the problem, but IB4001 H00 MIO092 868.98 869.3 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 874.16 877.63 So for the reading room we will have a two person room. IB4001 H03 MIO091 879.18 880.47 Everybody agrees on that, yep? IB4001 H03 MIO091 877.94 879.18 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 878.24 878.84 Yeah, I think so. IB4001 H02 FIO093 878.55 879.59 Maybe that would be good. IB4001 H00 MIO092 878.98 879.17 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 880.23 881.95 A one person'll be too small anyways. IB4001 H03 MIO091 882.24 883.82 How about how about this room? IB4001 H00 MIO092 882.39 882.93 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 884.44 885.45 The one on the bottom? IB4001 H00 MIO092 884.49 885.08 Which one? IB4001 H03 MIO091 889.28 892.12 It has three windows so I think it's uh Two? IB4001 H03 MIO091 887.65 889.28 With a view to the mountains, yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 885.47 887.65 Yeah, at the bottom in the middle. IB4001 H01 FIE038 887.4 887.65 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 887.55 888.53 With the mountain? IB4001 H01 FIE038 891.04 892.32 Two. IB4001 H01 FIE038 892.32 895.34 Well, which W There's three two person rooms. IB4001 H03 MIO091 893.56 894.74 O one two IB4001 H03 MIO091 896.04 897.13 The the middle one. IB4001 H01 FIE038 897.81 898.87 That has two windows. IB4001 H00 MIO092 898.85 900.25 Yeah, it's IB4001 H01 FIE038 900.4 901.33 Which is fine. IB4001 H01 FIE038 901.33 902.71 And still a big room. IB4001 H03 MIO091 900.84 901.06 Two. IB4001 H00 MIO092 902.23 904.9 Big black stripe is the windows, IB4001 H00 MIO092 904.9 916.97 not the thin one between the big But what about the d the other one which has only one windows, but in the courtyard it maybe more quiet. IB4001 H03 MIO091 904.77 907.99 Oh, the big Oh. IB4001 H03 MIO091 907.99 911.01 Ah okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 908.66 911.09 Yeah, so I should have explained that. IB4001 H01 FIE038 918.1 919.57 Yeah, but then you get don't get a lot of light IB4001 H01 FIE038 921.14 921.66 for reading. IB4001 H00 MIO092 922.7 924.33 We have electricity so IB4001 H01 FIE038 924.14 927.68 Really? IB4001 H00 MIO092 925.35 925.83 I hope. IB4001 H00 MIO092 928.52 932.72 No it's a question I mean it it's quite noisy outside with the streets and IB4001 H01 FIE038 934.7 935.38 That's IB4001 H02 FIO093 934.98 936.43 On the sixth floor, I don't know. IB4001 H00 MIO092 937.67 938.92 Yeah, we are on the sixth floor. IB4001 H01 FIE038 939 940.99 I dunno, I like the idea of looking out over IB4001 H02 FIO093 941.19 944.01 Yeah, if you are if you are reading. IB4001 H00 MIO092 942.66 943.62 And stop reading. IB4001 H00 MIO092 941.37 942.66 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 942.05 942.51 Me too. IB4001 H01 FIE038 942.25 943.86 lots of space. IB4001 H00 MIO092 944.8 945.96 So it's a relaxing room. IB4001 H01 FIE038 945.93 947.89 Well, I mean that that's the whole point, right. IB4001 H01 FIE038 947.89 955.33 It's just somewhere to get out of your office and go and do something else for a while whether you're reading or just kind of staring off into space. IB4001 H00 MIO092 946.81 949.71 Yeah, yeah, no okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 950.45 950.77 Yeah, yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 950.74 951.49 Do so Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 952.53 953.74 Mm yeah yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 955.36 959.54 Yeah, and you can look outside of the window if you have a sh quick meeting there. IB4001 H03 MIO091 959.54 961.83 You know, quick meetings always get longer. IB4001 H00 MIO092 961.76 963.65 So you have three windows. IB4001 H00 MIO092 958.58 959.75 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 959.75 961.76 So what about one of the room in the corner? IB4001 H00 MIO092 963.65 964.64 It's even better. IB4001 H01 FIE038 965.04 966.05 Yeah, we could do that. IB4001 H02 FIO093 965.76 966.41 Why not? IB4001 H02 FIO093 966.41 966.67 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 966.74 970.9 But you have less wall to put shelves and stuff like that. IB4001 H01 FIE038 970.37 970.7 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 973.16 976.48 If you intend the reading room being more a library or IB4001 H01 FIE038 979.3 983.86 We have some shelves, like cabinet type shelves for the reading room. IB4001 H01 FIE038 983.86 986.15 But it's not really intended to be a library. IB4001 H01 FIE038 986.15 986.81 I mean, we have IB4001 H00 MIO092 981.73 981.99 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 987.04 987.35 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 988.16 989.95 A library down downstairs. IB4001 H02 FIO093 989.95 990.24 Mm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 988.28 990.31 an I. T. library. IB4001 H01 FIE038 990.31 991.51 Um but IB4001 H00 MIO092 989.23 989.57 Mm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 997.29 1004.05 So one idea might be to take sort of the books that aren't frequently used by people, put them all into that room. IB4001 H01 FIE038 993.25 997.29 the other idea is to take 'Cause right now we all have bookshelves. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1004.05 1005.17 So it becomes sort of IB4001 H00 MIO092 1001.09 1001.95 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1001.95 1002.22 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1003.41 1003.71 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1005.12 1007.03 Kind of, yeah, small library. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1006.45 1012.35 a mini-library, but not like a library system library, just go and borrow your collegues' books. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1009.43 1011.07 No no, sure but Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1008.22 1009.43 No no, no no. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1011.8 1012.17 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1019.59 1023.49 So are we all agree about these two person rooms? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1027.06 1028.46 Corner or not corner? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1025.22 1027.06 Which one? IB4001 H03 MIO091 1026.17 1027.95 I don't know. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1029.39 1030.34 I think the middle one. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1030.42 1031.72 In the middle, yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1030.79 1031.52 The middle one. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1031.52 1031.97 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1031.82 1032.45 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1032.45 1038.14 It's also sort of m central to the layout, so everyone sort of has more or less the same distance to IB4001 H00 MIO092 1035.75 1035.95 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1034.86 1035.75 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1037.08 1037.5 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1039.49 1041.51 It's not that it makes that much of a difference, but IB4001 H00 MIO092 1040.89 1041.33 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1042.55 1043.08 Why not? IB4001 H01 FIE038 1046.58 1046.92 Uh. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1046.92 1050.13 So we can exclude this one to make an office. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1049.46 1049.93 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1051.72 1053.44 Actually what I can do is IB4001 H00 MIO092 1055.51 1057.31 Or maybe write on the board, I don't know. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1057.49 1059.58 Um actually that's a good idea. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1059.58 1062 J just put it up. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1056.55 1057.49 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1061.97 1063.37 So we have the map and IB4001 H01 FIE038 1062.98 1063.36 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1069.36 1070.19 So. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1076.29 1079.06 This really isn't to scale, but Oh well. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1082.76 1083.4 Um. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1092.42 1097.13 Um so we've got an office there. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1087.45 1092.42 That's really not to scale. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1088.51 1090.65 It's alright. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1090.16 1091.41 Oh it's g good enough. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1104.72 1106.44 And there's IB4001 H01 FIE038 1108.33 1109.76 two and one IB4001 H00 MIO092 1110.02 1110.54 Three, yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1110.9 1112.33 Is that all? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1111.72 1112.09 Yeah, yeah mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1114 1114.43 So IB4001 H01 FIE038 1114.77 1116.02 Okay so this is IB4001 H01 FIE038 1119.34 1121.21 And this becomes the reading room, right? IB4001 H01 FIE038 1118.99 1119.34 that. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1121.69 1122.14 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1136.22 1136.61 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1134.74 1136.22 Is that a mountain? IB4001 H01 FIE038 1135.66 1136.77 Yes. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1139.04 1140.22 And that an old town? IB4001 H02 FIO093 1139.35 1140.94 And uh Gisella? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1142.68 1145.72 Yeah, should we decide also the administration stuff? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1145.72 1146.33 And IB4001 H02 FIO093 1142.88 1145.22 We thought a one person room. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1146.04 1146.3 Sure. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1147.77 1151.98 So we exclude the n the thing we are quite sure, and then we discuss the IB4001 H01 FIE038 1150.72 1150.91 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1152.08 1156.72 I was thinking of maybe we should assign Gisella into this three person office? IB4001 H01 FIE038 1152.11 1152.46 Okay. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1157.96 1162.92 Because w we will probably place the printer next to the mailboxes. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1162.92 1166.89 Then we could have Gisella and the two fifty per cent people sharing the three IB4001 H02 FIO093 1167.46 1168.09 Person room. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1168.45 1169.05 person room. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1169.33 1173.11 That's really noisy to be in the same office with the administration. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1171.79 1172.58 Well, th IB4001 H01 FIE038 1173.08 1176.67 But if Gisella works fifty percent and they work fifty percent IB4001 H03 MIO091 1173.48 1175.14 They're fifty per cent, yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1175.91 1181.9 Yeah, that just imply you expect people to come when Gisella is not working, and that's not really fair if you IB4001 H01 FIE038 1179.66 1180.16 That's true. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1181.83 1182.16 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1182.64 1183.7 Well, I mean it IB4001 H00 MIO092 1183.11 1185.96 So we can put Gisella in the two people room IB4001 H00 MIO092 1187.33 1189.09 which is near the mailbox. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1195.08 1195.33 No. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1195.85 1196.52 W yeah we could. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1198.42 1199 I don't know. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1204.34 1205.73 It's uh IB4001 H03 MIO091 1201.16 1201.61 We could. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1201.61 1204.34 I mean, I don't know how noisy she is. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1203.78 1208.51 I it's just the question, you always have the phone ringing, even if the af even when she's not working. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1204.08 1204.6 But IB4001 H01 FIE038 1206.15 1206.65 Just IB4001 H02 FIO093 1206.82 1207.1 Or f IB4001 H01 FIE038 1207.67 1209.32 Does Gisella have her own printer? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1209.72 1210.15 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1209.91 1211.43 Yes, yes, she does. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1211.77 1218.91 Yeah, but that's that's a good point from Nikos to say that she needs to be n near the mail box and the printer and IB4001 H01 FIE038 1219.5 1225.86 Well if you put her in in this room here, it's relatively close. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1220.31 1222.17 and the photocopier and stuff like that. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1224.36 1225.05 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1225.05 1227.7 Exc except the door is not really IB4001 H03 MIO091 1228.54 1230.17 Convenient for her, yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1229.7 1230.4 convenient. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1230.84 1231.24 True. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1235.17 1241.5 No, but I think, if if the main, um how can I put that, the mm IB4001 H00 MIO092 1248.36 1252.19 If the main reason to put to to choose Gisella's place, IB4001 H00 MIO092 1252.19 1258.85 is the proximity of the mailbox, it should be a two pe people room and not a three people room. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1262.33 1263.11 It's fine with me. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1260.83 1262.33 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1261.16 1261.51 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1263.19 1265.24 Otherwise we have a one people room and IB4001 H01 FIE038 1266.02 1268.64 I don't know how much the proximity to the mailbox matters, IB4001 H01 FIE038 1273.35 1276.98 It's more the I. T. administration that uses our mailboxes. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1268.64 1273.35 because usually when she's here and she picks up the mail, she actually brings it to your office. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1271.04 1271.36 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1272.68 1273.52 Yeah, it's it's not the m IB4001 H00 MIO092 1274.16 1277.47 No but it's it's also it's also the place of the photocopier. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1272.8 1274.16 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1277.54 1278.48 Yeah, yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1278.15 1280.93 And the place where we all pass kind of. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1281.26 1281.53 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1283.01 1283.53 That's true. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1288.02 1290.03 It should be some central place. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1288.47 1295.02 Because if we put the photocopier near the mail box and it seems to be the only place where there is room for that IB4001 H01 FIE038 1294.28 1294.51 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1299.65 1302.25 'Cause even if you put it into Gisella's office it's gonna be IB4001 H01 FIE038 1295.67 1299.65 Yeah unless you put it into an office, which is just an annoying, I think. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1297.19 1297.47 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1298.47 1299.08 Y IB4001 H00 MIO092 1299.2 1300.02 Yeah oh no. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1301.25 1302.31 Yeah, no, it's too IB4001 H00 MIO092 1302.77 1303.87 And it's too big and IB4001 H01 FIE038 1304.26 1304.98 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1311.44 1316.54 Do we agree that the that the photocopier and the networked printer goes next to the mailboxes? IB4001 H03 MIO091 1310.17 1311.44 Okay, we should write this down. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1312.16 1312.54 So. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1316.31 1317.11 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1317.11 1317.52 Okay. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1316.63 1317.63 Yeah, that's a good idea. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1317.96 1318.5 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1331.19 1337.65 And then we can for the moment put Gisella in this corner room if you agree, I don't know. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1339.25 1340.06 What with IB4001 H03 MIO091 1338.29 1339.25 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1339.6 1343.32 At the beginning we said that we were gonna give her one of the one person rooms. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1343.56 1343.87 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1345.54 1349.66 But this option of putting Gisella near the photocopier. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1346.81 1347.15 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1350.26 1350.74 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1357.73 1364.43 I mean she is sharing an office right now and I Has anybody heard of any complaints that she's too loud or IB4001 H00 MIO092 1378.46 1387.32 that's quite uh I mean, that's quite important to keep a spare room in Gisella's office, if we need more staff, but IB4001 H00 MIO092 1365.31 1368.47 I mean, she is not sharing an office. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1368.47 1378.46 I mean sh we put some trainee in Gisella's office, because there is a spare room, and that's quite imp Yeah, IB4001 H01 FIE038 1365.86 1367.57 Well, she's Go ahead. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1370.82 1371.98 Stagieurs in there. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1375.61 1377.79 And they are not really in a position to complain. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1386.52 1386.88 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1389.7 1391.78 I wouldn't work in Gisella's office. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1394.8 1395.08 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1395.8 1400.69 I think it's just a question of work conditions, like if you are a stagieur and you co only coming in for two months, IB4001 H01 FIE038 1400.69 1405.03 then you can put up with it, but if you're there, you know, for the full year IB4001 H00 MIO092 1397.86 1398.26 Yeah, yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1402.35 1406.25 So for example now if uh we reserve IB4001 H02 FIO093 1400.9 1402.35 I it Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1401.78 1402.62 Mm yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1405.19 1413.95 For example, and there is no room in the cupboards for any people except Gisella, because she got lots of paper archives and files and stuff like that. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1413.95 1415.68 So it's really, she needs IB4001 H03 MIO091 1411.87 1413.05 Yeah that's true. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1413.87 1414.28 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1416.16 1417.7 She needs spaces. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1417.7 1418.08 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1417.01 1417.56 space. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1419.01 1427.12 But we can uh reserve So if you reserve a two people room, we can put uh trainees IB4001 H02 FIO093 1417.6 1419.01 Yeah, yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1417.86 1418.08 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1427.54 1428.68 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1428.68 1428.89 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1428.28 1430.14 Yeah, in there if they need to go. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1428.58 1431.06 Further on if they are in the same room. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1430.12 1430.46 Hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1431.57 1431.82 Yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1432 1434.57 Okay, so Gisella at this southwest office? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1434.56 1434.92 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1435.43 1435.56 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1435.59 1436.29 In the corner. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1442.74 1444.63 Are you sure it's southwest? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1444.63 1446.6 I dunno if thi if this map is a IB4001 H01 FIE038 1446.18 1449.12 South Well, southwest if that's north. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1446.82 1447.19 South. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1453.24 1453.5 No. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1449.39 1452.58 Okay, the map is north oriented. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1452.58 1453.24 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1452.64 1456.05 No tha Well, I'm assuming that's what you meant, right? IB4001 H01 FIE038 1450.72 1452.64 Southwest for us. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1456.05 1456.35 That IB4001 H03 MIO091 1455.77 1457.99 Yeah, yeah, that that one, yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1457.97 1459.33 I don't know. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1455.88 1457.97 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1458.13 1459.46 But that's southeast anyways. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1461.69 1462.78 That's southeast. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1460.32 1461.69 Southeast, yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1461.03 1463.07 Oh right, yeah, that's southeast, yeah it's IB4001 H00 MIO092 1462.66 1463.89 Anyways yeah, but IB4001 H01 FIE038 1463.62 1465.07 This office right? IB4001 H01 FIE038 1465.07 1466.21 That's. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1464.86 1466.05 Yeah, this office, yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1466.69 1470.59 You know because with mountain mountains and old town it's not No, sorry until but IB4001 H00 MIO092 1465.22 1466.69 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1476.35 1480.16 But I just assumed Nikos was talking about the orientation here. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1470.53 1476.35 No, I I'm very bad at orienting where's north in Geneva, I always get it wrong. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1478.36 1480.81 Uh yeah, I was just talking about uh here on the map. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1478.84 1479.17 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1480 1486.46 No, because sunrise and sunshine is quite uh sunshine, sunrise and sunset is quite also a good um IB4001 H01 FIE038 1484.63 1485.47 Oh, that's true. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1489.42 1495.49 So wait, we face the old town we face the old town now, and we are facing IB4001 H00 MIO092 1489.99 1493.7 something to take into account. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1495.28 1497.47 Uh northeast. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1497.25 1497.56 North. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1498.01 1498.77 northeast. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1499.8 1500.46 Sunrise. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1500.72 1502.44 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1502.44 1502.98 So. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1506.14 1508.36 This is northeast. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1507.92 1508.58 No, east. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1506.47 1507.92 It's east, yeah, east. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1510.64 1512.94 We we have sun in the morning only. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1515.09 1516.11 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1516.84 1517.87 When do we have sun? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1517.86 1525.67 So it does mean that the three piece room which is in the opposite of the northeast is the most sunny one. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1524.15 1524.67 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1525.92 1527.4 This one. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1528.51 1530.92 But s IB4001 H00 MIO092 1528.76 1529.52 Let's say that. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1530.45 1531.8 The three people room or IB4001 H00 MIO092 1530.61 1533.65 It's it's the one you have of now, you both. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1534.63 1536.51 It's the oven. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1534.64 1535.39 More or less. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1536.92 1538.77 Well, there is a quite a lot of sun. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1538.32 1540.5 You get the sunset then. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1542.53 1543.9 And it's really warm and IB4001 H00 MIO092 1540.5 1542.53 No? IB4001 H02 FIO093 1542.59 1543.65 Y yes and no. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1543.65 1545.37 It's, yeah, it's really warm, that's IB4001 H03 MIO091 1544.77 1546.4 You get lots of sun during summer, yes. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1546.11 1551.58 Do you Uh by the way, is it a six floor building or is there more IB4001 H02 FIO093 1546.41 1547.79 Yeah yeah, that's true. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1551.82 1552.89 Yeah, we're the top floor. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1553.08 1554.06 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1554.06 1554.72 So it's warm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1555.2 1555.31 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1561.9 1566.14 because we couldn't move in the other building, 'cause it was occupied by the other departments. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1556.61 1561.9 It The building design is pretty much the same as the one we have now, we're just getting more space this way, IB4001 H00 MIO092 1559.4 1560.01 Mm. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1560.01 1560.39 Okay. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1562.23 1562.53 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1561.45 1562.23 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1563.83 1564.18 Mm. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1573.32 1574.97 Okay, good, p so IB4001 H00 MIO092 1579.73 1582.14 So how many rooms IB4001 H02 FIO093 1580.18 1580.97 And next. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1583.65 1585.82 and uh how many place do we have? IB4001 H02 FIO093 1585.91 1589.4 So we have reserved now two two person rooms. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1587.6 1590.2 Actually, why don't I change it on here as well. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1593.48 1595.32 So that's Gisella. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1595.4 1602.7 Yeah, plus one spare place, but really the last place to be used. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1597.79 1598.83 Plus spare, yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1603.3 1604.69 Plus fax. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1605.2 1605.63 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1605.97 1606.38 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1608.81 1612.5 And then this is the reading room. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1612.88 1613.23 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1614.84 1615.26 Oops. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1618.9 1619.85 Um. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1623.13 1628.82 Six, eight, fourteen places, which is IB4001 H01 FIE038 1621.72 1623.13 So that leaves us with what? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1623.07 1627.02 We got two, three, four, six, nine IB4001 H03 MIO091 1624.76 1626.64 We got IB4001 H00 MIO092 1628.24 1630.59 Fourteen places? IB4001 H03 MIO091 1629.91 1630.93 For fourteen people? IB4001 H01 FIE038 1632.45 1634.27 For f Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1634.27 1637.54 No for fourteen, 'cause Gisella's already got a room. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1632.63 1633.68 For fourteen people? IB4001 H02 FIO093 1633.14 1634.24 For fifteen people. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1636.45 1636.69 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1636.66 1636.87 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1637.38 1638.04 Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1638.04 1638.35 Yeah, yeah. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1639.85 1640.72 So we are good. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1640.36 1640.84 T Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1648.83 1649.78 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1642.35 1648.83 Excuse me. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1649.78 1650.41 Um. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1644.21 1644.74 Bless you. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1651.52 1652.03 So IB4001 H01 FIE038 1651.99 1653.99 So I'm gonna take Gisella off of IB4001 H01 FIE038 1660.78 1662.48 I'll put her in grey, I guess. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1658.24 1660.78 that list as well. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1668.31 1672.27 Can we group people by their name? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1675.09 1677.05 So it's gonna be Mariannes' office. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1672.27 1675.09 I to Marianne. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1675.33 1676.12 Yeah, why not? IB4001 H02 FIO093 1671.1 1675.33 Marianne, Marianne. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1671.31 1673.16 Alphabetically. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1677.02 1678.52 Yeah, that would be fun. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1677.69 1686.95 Is is any Is there anybody who's not happy with the current situation, so we could try to just keep the same arrangement just on the new building? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1686.94 1689.06 Yeah, that's going that can be. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1689.06 1694.08 That's boring, but that can be a good idea, but do do we can we do that? IB4001 H00 MIO092 1694.08 1699.47 Because there is No we can't, because No we can't, there is two IB4001 H01 FIE038 1687.96 1690.11 That's boring. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1689.74 1690.77 That's boring. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1692.77 1693.37 Can we? IB4001 H01 FIE038 1695.26 1695.58 No. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1695.56 1696.89 No, we don't. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1697.43 1701.16 We have, we have one extra one person office and IB4001 H00 MIO092 1701.54 1703.06 And two three person room. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1702.51 1704.24 Two three person offices, yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1704.24 1707.47 Plus we have the two people who aren't there now IB4001 H00 MIO092 1709.33 1709.64 So IB4001 H00 MIO092 1708.28 1709.33 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1708.93 1710 that we have to put somewhere. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1712.93 1716.78 We can keep some of the people together that are together now, but IB4001 H00 MIO092 1716.08 1716.54 Yeah yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1715.07 1716.08 Mm. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1718.2 1719.39 not everyone definitely. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1720.96 1721.64 Okay. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1724.04 1726.94 So, let's start then top to bottom :1 Maggie, IB4001 H01 FIE038 1728.35 1731.65 Well, why don't we take a break and go off and think about it? IB4001 H03 MIO091 1728.77 1729.78 Susan,. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1731.95 1732.21 Yeah. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1732.71 1738.79 And then once we have more concrete ideas we can come back and finish it, IB4001 H01 FIE038 1738.79 1744.89 'cause if we just sit here and discuss, it's gonna take a long time and we're gonna start arguing and get cranky and IB4001 H00 MIO092 1733.42 1736.32 I think we clear the things a little bit up too s Yeah. IB4001 H02 FIO093 1736.68 1737.13 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1741.12 1741.37 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1743.01 1743.45 Yeah, yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1745.73 1746.08 Okay. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1747.28 1748.55 So let's have a break. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1748.55 1749.47 Save your file. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1747.32 1748.54 Alright so IB4001 H01 FIE038 1749.78 1749.94 Yeah. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1754.31 1755.18 You have X. P. ? IB4001 H01 FIE038 1755.59 1755.76 Yep. IB4001 H00 MIO092 1757.67 1758.3 That's nice. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1761.21 1762.78 Okay. IB4001 H01 FIE038 1759.2 1761.21 Mm-hmm. IB4001 H03 MIO091 1763.82 1764.69 So how long is? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1.68 2.65 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 2.65 11.25 So now that we've all had a bit of time to think about it, um does anyone have any concrete proposals or do we want to just IB4002 H03 MIO091 11.93 15.34 go through people and start placing them and kind of discuss as we go along? IB4002 H00 MIO092 21.94 24.09 I don't think they are concrete proposals. IB4002 H03 MIO091 24.82 25.06 Nope. IB4002 H00 MIO092 25.78 25.9 No. IB4002 H01 FIE038 25.78 26.45 Not really. IB4002 H02 FIO093 26.17 33.9 No, it's kind of we should maybe find a method to do stuff. IB4002 H02 FIO093 33.9 36.81 Like, I don't know, choose one parameter. IB4002 H02 FIO093 39.31 42.81 The first parameter to choose people to choose where to put people, IB4002 H02 FIO093 42.81 50.97 like I dunno maybe permanent staff and non-permanent staff, we know that professor will stay for a long time. IB4002 H02 FIO093 50.97 53.5 We uh we don't know for the other IB4002 H03 MIO091 39.31 39.75 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 50.52 50.79 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 55.43 55.78 So IB4002 H03 MIO091 55.49 56.41 Yeah, that's true. IB4002 H02 FIO093 57.46 60.17 maybe that could be the first parameter to take into account. IB4002 H02 FIO093 60.17 63.45 Not just to have this dis IB4002 H03 MIO091 62.4 65.13 Yeah, give them like the most comfortable offices and IB4002 H01 FIE038 64.31 64.67 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 65.17 67.31 Yeah, and have this discussion every two years. IB4002 H03 MIO091 68.56 68.69 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 69.14 69.69 Because it's, IB4002 H02 FIO093 70.72 71.11 you know IB4002 H00 MIO092 72.37 73.27 Yeah, this makes sense. IB4002 H02 FIO093 75.27 85.36 So we can choose where to put uh, I would say, the the the three first one of the list. IB4002 H02 FIO093 86.48 87.82 Yeah, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 73.77 75.27 make sense for everyone. IB4002 H02 FIO093 87.82 90.13 And yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 85.36 86.48 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 75.8 76.2 Yeah, yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 78.18 79.39 Suzanne, for example. IB4002 H01 FIE038 83.14 83.23 Mm-hmm. IB4002 H03 MIO091 83.57 86.99 'Cause a professor, but he's only here half time, so it's sort of a different situation. IB4002 H03 MIO091 87.82 93.83 And he's a professor at, but not in Geneva, he just does research in Geneva. IB4002 H02 FIO093 92.08 96.17 Mm and maybe the two other senior Andrei and Nancy. IB4002 H03 MIO091 96.12 96.41 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 97.51 98.47 Okay, so let's IB4002 H02 FIO093 97.66 99.19 And then, yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 102.35 103.14 Um IB4002 H03 MIO091 99.69 102.35 go through that first. IB4002 H02 FIO093 101.01 101.69 Mm. IB4002 H01 FIE038 107.99 109.67 So what do you think for uh IB4002 H01 FIE038 110.93 112.76 Susan and Maggie for example the IB4002 H01 FIE038 113.97 115.82 the rooms for one person. IB4002 H02 FIO093 117.45 119.06 Yeah, that could be an idea. IB4002 H03 MIO091 118.85 122.97 And for Susan probably yeah, 'cause I think she prefers to have her own office. IB4002 H03 MIO091 117.45 118.85 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 121.71 122.09 Mm. IB4002 H02 FIO093 120.91 121.71 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 123.64 123.87 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 125.58 126.88 Any preferences to which one? IB4002 H03 MIO091 125.23 125.58 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 124.22 125.23 Um. IB4002 H01 FIE038 128.18 128.44 Naturally. IB4002 H03 MIO091 131.69 132.1 'Kay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 132.1 133.36 I put Susan here for now. IB4002 H02 FIO093 133.14 133.99 can switch. IB4002 H03 MIO091 135 136 And then Maggie in the other one? IB4002 H02 FIO093 136.18 136.56 Yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 136.37 137.13 Yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 137.13 138.47 It's up to them I guess uh. IB4002 H03 MIO091 140.99 144.22 They're not here so IB4002 H03 MIO091 139.46 140.99 No, it's up to us. IB4002 H00 MIO092 142.79 144.37 They can switch later. IB4002 H00 MIO092 140.66 142.79 Well I mean they they can switch later. IB4002 H00 MIO092 140.02 140.66 Up to us? IB4002 H01 FIE038 141.49 141.87 Yeah, to IB4002 H02 FIO093 142.32 143.14 Which is IB4002 H03 MIO091 146.63 147.74 Um okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 152.84 154.98 And then IB4002 H00 MIO092 155.28 155.97 Pirette next? IB4002 H02 FIO093 158.99 167.78 Andrei and Nancy do we want to the the question is now is do we want to put the three together or the three completely separate IB4002 H02 FIO093 157.69 158.99 So we need to put Pirette IB4002 H03 MIO091 158.07 158.19 Yep. IB4002 H02 FIO093 168.32 169.12 with IB4002 H02 FIO093 170.61 171.13 other people? IB4002 H01 FIE038 172.57 180.19 I would say not together in a three it's quite a lo yeah, yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 173.48 173.64 Um IB4002 H03 MIO091 180.12 181.88 Well, does Andrei? IB4002 H03 MIO091 175.82 180.12 Well, Pierrette has students and Andrei and don't. IB4002 H03 MIO091 181.88 184.38 S he teaches but okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 178.49 180.02 Yeah, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 183.77 186.19 Yeah, but few, less than Pierrette. IB4002 H02 FIO093 181.87 183.77 Some, some. IB4002 H01 FIE038 182.2 183.6 some. IB4002 H01 FIE038 185.23 186.2 Just yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 186.58 186.74 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 189.78 190.81 So we have a IB4002 H03 MIO091 193.65 199.14 'Cause also if we're gonna put people together by projects then there's no sense to put them together, 'cause they all work on different projects. IB4002 H02 FIO093 199.24 199.57 Mm. IB4002 H03 MIO091 201.06 201.42 Right? IB4002 H02 FIO093 201.22 201.43 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 207.01 212.16 The two people room in the middle which has only one windows, IB4002 H02 FIO093 203.14 207.01 Um I just realised something. IB4002 H03 MIO091 206.04 206.61 Mm? IB4002 H03 MIO091 212.08 212.25 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 213.5 216.62 it's gonna be pretty hard to put two people inside that room. IB4002 H03 MIO091 217.65 218.67 'Cause they'll fight for the window. IB4002 H02 FIO093 219.08 219.26 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 220.07 221 Yeah, it's quite dark. IB4002 H03 MIO091 222 223.35 What about moving Gisella in there? IB4002 H03 MIO091 224.18 230.69 If she's in there half the time, she can have her desk near the window, and okay, she's not near the mailbox, but IB4002 H02 FIO093 226.89 228.41 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 228.41 231.48 Except we yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 231.48 232.6 And near the photocopier. IB4002 H03 MIO091 233.08 238.22 but it maybe more sort of practical in terms of working environments for people. IB4002 H02 FIO093 238.23 238.45 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 239.27 240.19 Yeah, it would be nicer. IB4002 H02 FIO093 242.72 244.14 And what about the reading room? IB4002 H00 MIO092 243.3 243.4 Who? IB4002 H03 MIO091 247.21 251.38 But again, one of the reasons for putting the reading room where it is is so that you have IB4002 H02 FIO093 265.76 271.92 it change the plan of the morning, I'm sorry, but I just realised that stupid architect put only one windows. IB4002 H02 FIO093 249.2 258.62 Yeah, but you I mean uh I think, everybody is supposed to spend more time in their office than in the reading room. IB4002 H02 FIO093 258.62 265.76 So we might think that it's better to have a more comfortable office than a more comfortable reading room, I don't know, IB4002 H03 MIO091 255.76 258.79 You think. IB4002 H01 FIE038 256.28 259.33 Finally, you think? IB4002 H01 FIE038 263.42 265.37 Yeah, I agree, it's uh IB4002 H03 MIO091 271.1 271.64 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 273.41 274.43 Who built this building? IB4002 H02 FIO093 274.43 276.73 Do we know that? IB4002 H03 MIO091 275.51 276.6 I don't know. IB4002 H02 FIO093 280.26 281.14 What do you think? IB4002 H02 FIO093 279.67 280.26 I dunno. IB4002 H00 MIO092 280.82 287.56 So I don't know, we spent quite some time at the last meeting and t to decide this, and now we are just IB4002 H02 FIO093 282.99 283.45 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 285.12 287.81 Yeah, I know, but in the last meeting nobody just IB4002 H02 FIO093 292.05 293.52 And I think it is one problem. IB4002 H02 FIO093 288.77 292.05 took attention at this one windows problem. IB4002 H00 MIO092 293.83 297.45 Of course, but everybody had the documents before, so you could have studied them. IB4002 H00 MIO092 302.76 303.45 Yeah, m IB4002 H00 MIO092 297.45 302.76 So I don't think it's a good idea. IB4002 H03 MIO091 294.05 295.2 Or what if you put IB4002 H02 FIO093 297.52 302.25 Yeah, you too, I can I can say the thing to you, I'm sorry. IB4002 H01 FIE038 300.2 302.7 You you said that there is electricity. IB4002 H03 MIO091 307 307.2 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 302.91 307 What if we put the two people that are fifty per cent in that room? IB4002 H01 FIE038 305.38 306.04 In the IB4002 H02 FIO093 307.95 309.85 That's really welcoming and warming. IB4002 H02 FIO093 305.54 307.95 The two people? IB4002 H03 MIO091 310.45 312.14 But they are only here fifty per cent. IB4002 H02 FIO093 312.35 312.7 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 312.66 315.97 Well, let's uh how we can uh fill the three person rooms? IB4002 H02 FIO093 319.95 320.61 Say it again. IB4002 H02 FIO093 318.75 319.95 What what what? IB4002 H01 FIE038 328.69 329.76 And um IB4002 H01 FIE038 324.2 328.69 I mean we have now a two three person rooms left. IB4002 H01 FIE038 319.55 324.2 Uh how we ge who we gonna put in the three person rooms? IB4002 H02 FIO093 332.49 339.57 No no, but the main problem we have the same number of place and the same number of people now. IB4002 H02 FIO093 339.57 340.21 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 340.21 344.99 And uh I just noticed that we have this two people room IB4002 H01 FIE038 339.79 339.94 Mm. IB4002 H01 FIE038 336.48 337.25 Yeah, yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 337.25 339.79 Mm, we do. IB4002 H03 MIO091 338.08 339.72 So everyone has to go somewhere. IB4002 H00 MIO092 345.7 350.06 W I I I don't mind going into this office. IB4002 H03 MIO091 345.9 348.64 And you also have one three person room with two windows. IB4002 H02 FIO093 357.38 360.27 You have to find somebody agree to come with you. IB4002 H02 FIO093 347.75 357.38 You don't mind to have okay, so, Nikos and you have to find yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 360.27 362.96 And it's not a question of you it's a question of windows. IB4002 H02 FIO093 346.28 347.59 with only one windows. IB4002 H02 FIO093 347.59 347.75 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 351.34 352.72 Nikos volunteers. IB4002 H00 MIO092 351.35 351.95 No. IB4002 H03 MIO091 355.69 357.22 Who you're taking with you? IB4002 H02 FIO093 368.5 371.15 Who would you put with you? IB4002 H02 FIO093 371.15 372.64 Let's put a fifty per cent so IB4002 H00 MIO092 373.31 374.15 Oh, why not? IB4002 H03 MIO091 377.74 379.81 Well 'kay so let's put David in there, yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 376.64 377.74 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 379.16 380.8 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 376.69 379.16 From the David. IB4002 H02 FIO093 383.78 384.99 You will learn to know him. IB4002 H02 FIO093 380.8 383.78 Do you know David? IB4002 H00 MIO092 380.78 380.96 Yeah? IB4002 H00 MIO092 382.2 382.35 No. IB4002 H03 MIO091 386.66 386.9 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 383.78 386.66 You'll meet him. IB4002 H03 MIO091 388.2 389.92 So I'm just gonna IB4002 H03 MIO091 392.31 394.43 make a list on here of who we have. IB4002 H03 MIO091 399.4 400.1 keep talking. IB4002 H02 FIO093 400.47 401.85 So David and Nikos, it's done. IB4002 H02 FIO093 404.38 407.69 And with um Pirette uh IB4002 H01 FIE038 406.2 408.97 Uh Pierrette, uh Andrei, Nancy? IB4002 H01 FIE038 404.75 406.2 So, where were we? IB4002 H02 FIO093 408.97 409.99 Andrei and Nancy. IB4002 H00 MIO092 415.24 419.74 Maybe we can put Pierrette and her t two two P. H. D. students into one room? IB4002 H01 FIE038 422.07 422.71 Yeah, why not? IB4002 H02 FIO093 423.99 425.79 How many P. H. D. student does she have? IB4002 H01 FIE038 426.7 428.26 All two Mariannes or IB4002 H02 FIO093 429.94 430.47 And me. IB4002 H01 FIE038 434.61 439.26 So we need a IB4002 H01 FIE038 431.61 434.61 And you too, okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 442.23 442.82 Um. IB4002 H02 FIO093 433.69 438.37 Yes, I'm doing a P. H. D. . IB4002 H02 FIO093 438.97 442.23 Officially. IB4002 H02 FIO093 438.37 438.97 Yes. IB4002 H03 MIO091 438.04 439.68 with Pierrette. IB4002 H03 MIO091 447.33 452.53 Okay, so David, Nikos, Gisella, Maggie and Susan are done. IB4002 H03 MIO091 459.38 459.58 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 460.77 464.82 So and can you put the the map again, so we s see what happen. IB4002 H03 MIO091 462.81 462.98 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 465.54 466.29 Um. IB4002 H02 FIO093 469.32 475.18 That's that might be a good idea to put Pirette with two P. H. D. student, whoever they are. IB4002 H03 MIO091 474.12 474.28 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 474.28 477.31 Should we be nice and give them three windows? IB4002 H00 MIO092 477.27 484.3 Um yeah, mayb maybe the other one would be more convenient if we are all working on the same project. IB4002 H00 MIO092 484.3 485.42 So we are close by. IB4002 H02 FIO093 484.6 485.23 Which one? IB4002 H03 MIO091 486.19 486.3 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 487.23 487.55 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 490.52 491.74 So Pirette and IB4002 H02 FIO093 492.83 493.68 the two Mariannes. IB4002 H03 MIO091 494.12 496.58 That won't get confusing. IB4002 H01 FIE038 496.19 503.31 Yeah, I'd like to have a view to the mountains, but well IB4002 H02 FIO093 500.68 504.49 Okay, so wha put me with Marianne and Pirette, it's alright. IB4002 H00 MIO092 502.13 502.16 Mm. IB4002 H02 FIO093 505.68 508.96 And we put Marianne in front if she want to be IB4002 H03 MIO091 510.44 510.59 Here? IB4002 H03 MIO091 510.14 510.44 Where? IB4002 H02 FIO093 510.8 515.36 No, on the room on the opposite oh no, that's the old town view. IB4002 H03 MIO091 512.61 513.28 Oh, here. IB4002 H01 FIE038 514.75 514.91 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 515.8 517.99 Well that's that will do, but uh IB4002 H03 MIO091 516.6 518.63 Would have to be here or the other three person room. IB4002 H01 FIE038 529.1 540.29 And that's good, because there are Pirette, Marianne and Nikos they are on the other side of the corridor, so it's yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 528.77 529.1 Yeah yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 521.95 528.77 Yeah well f yeah, it's uh yeah, old town is as well as well yeah, that's alright. IB4002 H03 MIO091 523.73 524.96 Pick a room. IB4002 H02 FIO093 524.69 525.35 Pick a room. IB4002 H02 FIO093 525.35 526.38 Is that alright? IB4002 H02 FIO093 526.38 530.25 Is the old town view beautiful enough? IB4002 H03 MIO091 529.88 533.19 Well she's not that far if she's like like in this one here. IB4002 H03 MIO091 538.47 539.29 'Kay so you want this one? IB4002 H02 FIO093 539.9 541.69 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 541.69 544.45 Okay, so Marianne, and who do you want to work with? IB4002 H02 FIO093 539.87 539.9 Mm. IB4002 H01 FIE038 547.35 552.44 Who is left um who IB4002 H02 FIO093 549.45 553.4 Nancy, Martin, Pirette? IB4002 H02 FIO093 553.4 554.25 No, Pirette is done. IB4002 H01 FIE038 554.97 555.38 And IB4002 H02 FIO093 561.12 561.47 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 561.47 566.28 Okay, so put Yalina with um IB4002 H02 FIO093 555.52 561.12 Andrei, Yalina, Maria and Agnes. IB4002 H00 MIO092 558.07 558.38 Agnes. IB4002 H03 MIO091 558.38 558.41 Mm. IB4002 H01 FIE038 560.4 563.63 And actually she is working for the same project as well. IB4002 H01 FIE038 558.58 560.4 Yalina, Ya Yalina would be good. IB4002 H03 MIO091 564.87 566.23 Okay. IB4002 H01 FIE038 567.38 571.82 With beautiful laughter. IB4002 H02 FIO093 569.03 569.32 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 569.32 569.53 Yalina. IB4002 H02 FIO093 571.14 571.32 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 574.96 575.96 And we have uh IB4002 H02 FIO093 579.04 579.48 now IB4002 H02 FIO093 583.9 588.86 Do you think it's a good idea to put Martin and Andrei together, since they are working on the same project? IB4002 H03 MIO091 589.67 590.19 That could work. IB4002 H03 MIO091 589.16 589.67 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 592.02 594.59 And anyway, Martin is just a fifty per cent. IB4002 H02 FIO093 596.96 597.67 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 597.67 605.68 And we might put Martin and Andrei and someone else in the three person room, since the fifty per cent, it's a good IB4002 H03 MIO091 602.17 603.64 In room yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 607.29 607.51 Yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 608.08 608.29 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 608.2 608.66 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 613.91 615.05 Mm. IB4002 H03 MIO091 616.74 621.36 I guess I can go in there, 'cause Martin and I wor are working on the sort of the same thing. IB4002 H02 FIO093 621.98 622.1 Okay. IB4002 H01 FIE038 622.17 622.45 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 625.04 626.53 And that leaves IB4002 H02 FIO093 625.41 628.78 Maria and Nancy. IB4002 H03 MIO091 627.79 629.44 And Nancy. IB4002 H02 FIO093 633.22 633.86 That's really strange. IB4002 H01 FIE038 633.27 633.92 That's all? IB4002 H03 MIO091 634.07 637.28 Yeah, that's a weird combination. IB4002 H00 MIO092 638.77 639.24 Why? IB4002 H02 FIO093 646.77 649.11 So, what do we think about that? IB4002 H01 FIE038 646.96 649.28 How i how it looks like IB4002 H00 MIO092 648.35 655.91 Okay, w w why don't we move Maria to this to where to the office I'm supposed to be and I can go with Nancy? IB4002 H03 MIO091 657.7 658.61 No, it's not that. IB4002 H03 MIO091 658.61 661.37 It's just you've almost got like a project split, IB4002 H00 MIO092 657.93 658.99 If you think that IB4002 H03 MIO091 662.34 665.72 except that you don't, because IB4002 H03 MIO091 668.55 674.41 Nancy and Maggie and I work on premindia parmenidy parmenidies. IB4002 H03 MIO091 674.41 678.73 And then Andrei, Martin, Maria and I also work on. IB4002 H02 FIO093 673.26 674.47 Mm-hmm mm yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 681.7 683.55 And sort of Susan. IB4002 H03 MIO091 683.55 686.92 Although the Susan and Maggie thing we can't really change. IB4002 H02 FIO093 684.63 687.18 I think this project thing is not good thing. IB4002 H02 FIO093 688.78 690.64 This project splitting I mean. IB4002 H03 MIO091 691.06 691.31 No. IB4002 H02 FIO093 691.78 692.74 Splitting by project. IB4002 H03 MIO091 694.71 697.77 But then we should split the little party up. IB4002 H02 FIO093 698.99 699.52 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 699.52 707.67 No but if you if if you split by project you put me in one person room. IB4002 H01 FIE038 699.7 700.85 Yeah, you can IB4002 H03 MIO091 703.81 706.44 All on your own. IB4002 H01 FIE038 704.38 706.78 Ah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 714.58 714.78 Hmm. IB4002 H02 FIO093 730.72 731.26 That's hard. IB4002 H03 MIO091 733.26 734.22 See I would put it the other way. IB4002 H03 MIO091 734.22 739.52 I would put the room with Martin in it in the two window room, 'cause he's fifty per cent, so then at least IB4002 H03 MIO091 740.92 741.93 the other two people get IB4002 H02 FIO093 743.37 744.32 Could you say that again? IB4002 H03 MIO091 745.25 749.31 Put Martin in the three person room with two windows. IB4002 H02 FIO093 750.42 751.06 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 750.97 752.53 Since he's fifty per cent. IB4002 H02 FIO093 753.03 753.24 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 754.75 755.44 So you just IB4002 H02 FIO093 757.84 759.46 you just move him or IB4002 H02 FIO093 761.42 762.02 You just IB4002 H02 FIO093 760 761.42 the two groups? IB4002 H03 MIO091 762.03 763.35 Either way. IB4002 H03 MIO091 763.35 764.5 Well I don't know for splitting up IB4002 H00 MIO092 766.55 770.6 But is this about windows or is it about it it it must be functional. IB4002 H00 MIO092 770.6 772.84 If you and Martin work on the same project then IB4002 H03 MIO091 767.02 768.12 people or IB4002 H01 FIE038 768.31 770.01 Yeah, uh that was my question. IB4002 H02 FIO093 770.18 770.4 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 779.41 784.41 I mean, is it important to have someone uh from the same project or um IB4002 H01 FIE038 774.02 779.41 Yeah, I mean with whom you'd you'd to with whom you'd like to work in the same office. IB4002 H03 MIO091 775.13 776.55 Well I'm trying to optimise. IB4002 H03 MIO091 784.69 788.28 I don't think it's necessarily so important to be in the same office with someone IB4002 H02 FIO093 788.47 788.69 No. IB4002 H03 MIO091 789.41 790.69 if you're working on the same project. IB4002 H00 MIO092 792.58 799.92 Yeah, we can each other, yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 793.8 795.91 But you're gonna disturb all the people. IB4002 H01 FIE038 792.58 793.8 Yeah, we can skive. IB4002 H03 MIO091 792.95 798.9 'Cause you're too lazy to get up and walk next door. IB4002 H01 FIE038 797.86 800.63 We're gonna disturb all the people by skiving all the time. IB4002 H03 MIO091 804.11 806.45 We don't work on any projects together. IB4002 H03 MIO091 801.86 804.11 I don't know like right now I share an office with Bruno. IB4002 H02 FIO093 814.56 814.83 Mm. IB4002 H02 FIO093 807.03 814.56 Except coffee time and that's important project too, but uh gossiping and stuff like that, yes. IB4002 H03 MIO091 811.76 814.99 But I mean that's fine. IB4002 H03 MIO091 808.67 809.14 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 809.14 811.76 Of course. IB4002 H03 MIO091 814.99 818.98 Like I don't need to be in the same office with someone who works on or IB4002 H02 FIO093 819.25 819.43 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 819.84 821.27 someone who works on parmenidies. IB4002 H03 MIO091 822.64 827.21 It's not like yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 823.14 826.69 And it's quite funny to to to hear other IB4002 H02 FIO093 827.56 829.31 activities around you. IB4002 H02 FIO093 829.31 830.57 And not always the same stuff. IB4002 H01 FIE038 830.72 831.97 Yeah, that's for sure. IB4002 H02 FIO093 832.52 839.1 Especially when it's activity that you don't understand or yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 838.51 839.12 What? IB4002 H03 MIO091 836.81 838.51 You hear things out of context. IB4002 H03 MIO091 835.33 836.81 Know anything about yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 845.11 850.17 Uh I'm not sharing somebody with I work on the same project, IB4002 H00 MIO092 839.78 841.61 I agree, but the setup is pretty good now. IB4002 H00 MIO092 841.61 845.11 So Bruno is not on and he's sharing um office? IB4002 H01 FIE038 844.91 845.61 With IB4002 H02 FIO093 848.29 848.66 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 848.87 849 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 850.17 851.34 No, that's quite nice. IB4002 H00 MIO092 850.81 852.2 uh um, yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 851.94 853.79 Yeah, I Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 853.79 860.36 I dunno you were saying that uh Maria and Nancy doesn't fit together in the same IB4002 H03 MIO091 858.45 862.43 I just can't really see them sharing an office, I don't know why. IB4002 H01 FIE038 861.78 869.17 So what you say if you change the office uh, I don't know, and you work with Nancy or uh IB4002 H01 FIE038 873.29 875.25 What do you yeah, I dunno. IB4002 H03 MIO091 874.53 878.15 Or we put Andrei and Nancy to Nancy together 'cause they're starting that new IB4002 H03 MIO091 879.82 881.09 project. IB4002 H03 MIO091 881.09 884.29 And then put Maria with IB4002 H02 FIO093 880.85 881.29 Oh yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 881.96 882.6 For example? IB4002 H00 MIO092 885.05 886.75 Martin and you, yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 885.27 887.05 me and Martha. IB4002 H03 MIO091 887.05 889.28 I can see that working a bit better. IB4002 H02 FIO093 886.67 889.46 Yeah, okay, why not. IB4002 H02 FIO093 886.26 886.67 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 886.39 886.51 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 887.81 888.23 Sounds okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 897.32 898.46 Hmm. IB4002 H01 FIE038 917.5 918.06 What do you say? IB4002 H02 FIO093 917.85 919.32 I'm not totally convinced. IB4002 H01 FIE038 920.11 920.31 Sorry? IB4002 H02 FIO093 920.8 922.76 I'm not convinced about this. IB4002 H02 FIO093 922.76 924.14 I dunno. IB4002 H01 FIE038 921.75 923.25 No, what's bothering you? IB4002 H00 MIO092 931.2 935.06 Yeah, what is it now? IB4002 H01 FIE038 932.61 934.79 I thi I think IB4002 H03 MIO091 937.32 939.18 First of all IB4002 H03 MIO091 933.48 937.32 I thought you were saying you didn't wanna be in a three person room. IB4002 H02 FIO093 937.35 946.01 First of all, no from the beginning I said the three person room it's quite I mean it's a disadvantage. IB4002 H02 FIO093 936.5 937.35 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 937.07 941.64 And now you are you are changing your mind all the time. IB4002 H00 MIO092 938.42 942.45 Bu s somebody has to be IB4002 H01 FIE038 946.49 950.44 Yeah, but if you work with the people like Pirette and Marianne uh IB4002 H02 FIO093 950.56 951.86 And um IB4002 H02 FIO093 956.42 960.52 to change a little bit this disadvantage we put somebody fifty per cent, in IB4002 H03 MIO091 960.87 961.35 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 961.35 971.46 And put David but then you and Nikos have the window problem, which is why I still think we should put Gisella in that room, because IB4002 H02 FIO093 960.95 968.06 three person room, so we could do the same in the three person rooms, but there is still this problem yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 971.14 971.43 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 972.52 973.32 it's IB4002 H01 FIE038 974.71 975.64 Well, at mm IB4002 H03 MIO091 974.81 980.09 She gets the window, the whatever, he's there for two months, it's their problem. IB4002 H03 MIO091 980.68 985.59 Not for enjoying the view. IB4002 H03 MIO091 980.09 980.68 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 983.4 985.93 Not not us but exactly. IB4002 H02 FIO093 978.93 983.4 yeah, it's here for working. IB4002 H01 FIE038 987.26 988.96 Uh well IB4002 H03 MIO091 987.61 988.44 So IB4002 H02 FIO093 988.04 992.35 And you, so there is no view. IB4002 H01 FIE038 992.5 994.01 Pirette is having quite a IB4002 H01 FIE038 1004.4 1007.69 so it's gonna be a qui yeah, so it's quite a IB4002 H01 FIE038 995.05 1004.4 unadvantaged situation, because there are Marianne and Bruno who are having uh reception hours. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1002.28 1004.46 Yeah, but if you put IB4002 H02 FIO093 1003.84 1004.96 And Pirette as well. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1004.96 1006.7 We uh all have uh reception hours. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1009.44 1011.13 traffic there I would say. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1009.97 1011.7 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1011.44 1012.16 So what if we IB4002 H03 MIO091 1013.48 1015.01 switch no. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1016.31 1017.99 Well, will there be wireless in the building? IB4002 H00 MIO092 1017.99 1023.07 I mean, if there are reception hours, so somebody could move to the reading room, and have people IB4002 H02 FIO093 1021.93 1022.16 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1023.11 1024.52 You have to have a computer with wireless. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1028.43 1028.9 No? IB4002 H00 MIO092 1027.15 1028.43 Doesn't everybody has one? IB4002 H00 MIO092 1026.1 1027.15 Well isn't this the case? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1028.22 1028.45 No. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1031.95 1039.9 pick up your desktop and plus you can't assume that you can just use the reading room for reception hours. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1028.45 1031.95 Well, most of us first of all have desktop computers. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1028.43 1028.83 No. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1031.51 1035.43 So well, of course, if they put uh IB4002 H02 FIO093 1034.01 1036.06 You can move with your desktop, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1040.68 1040.91 No. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1041.83 1044.64 Like if people are actually using it as a reading room. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1041.64 1041.83 Right. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1043.69 1047.93 The aim having a room room for reading or IB4002 H02 FIO093 1043.78 1043.88 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1046.17 1046.47 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1051.56 1053.09 Can we say we're gonna move Gisella here? IB4002 H02 FIO093 1054.04 1055.49 Yeah, okay. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1054.4 1054.65 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1055.63 1055.83 And then IB4002 H03 MIO091 1057.35 1063.89 I think that gives us a little bit more flexibility to play with moving people around. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1063.89 1064.34 Goes here. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1059.7 1059.95 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1065.21 1066.25 Instead of IB4002 H02 FIO093 1060.51 1065.21 Okay, can we say that David uh is yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1067.34 1070.54 You were the first one on the list, but if you wanna remove someone else IB4002 H02 FIO093 1068.79 1070.5 Okay, but okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1070.5 1073.38 No, because I was thinking of we can um IB4002 H02 FIO093 1074.45 1077.48 having these two office which are near to the lift IB4002 H02 FIO093 1077.93 1081.13 Keep this office for reception people. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1081.73 1093.44 If I can con we are Pirette, the two Marianne and I, are receivi and Maggie and Susan are receiving a lot of student. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1093.44 1094.62 So we IB4002 H01 FIE038 1082.34 1085.15 people. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1083.4 1083.66 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1092.96 1096.63 So what if we put you with yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1096.63 1101.42 Will you have. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1091.02 1092.96 Mm-hmm. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1101.42 1106.74 Okay, so IB4002 H02 FIO093 1095.15 1098.15 With the Finnish for example, if you want me. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1105.67 1110.58 Yes, I will. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1097.6 1105.67 Well, you can you als already speak quite well Finnish, so we might get along, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1103.01 1106.08 Yeah, so that's ki yeah, yeah, okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1106.08 1106.57 Lopeta. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1110.82 1112.55 I'm just putting Yalina in so we don't IB4002 H02 FIO093 1111.79 1112.21 Yeah, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1112.21 1116.52 Uh that's nice to have a corner a student, I mean, a student area. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1117.69 1120.25 It's easy for them to IB4002 H02 FIO093 1118.08 1120.59 You know what I mean. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1120.59 1125.5 Yeah, to find us and it's also quite noisy when you have this kind of IB4002 H03 MIO091 1118.92 1119.27 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1121.8 1122.84 find the people. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1124.47 1124.71 Mm-hmm. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1130.07 1132.72 So if you work with me and you have this IB4002 H02 FIO093 1126.93 1130.07 parade of student before the exams. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1128.34 1128.93 Yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1129.81 1129.92 Mm. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1131.74 1132.34 Mm-hmm. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1139.22 1140.25 It only goes on Yalina. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1142.22 1142.38 No. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1142.38 1142.47 Hmm? IB4002 H00 MIO092 1142.47 1145.35 I have no problem with that. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1142.22 1143.29 agree with that? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1142.31 1143.77 Or do you wanna go somewhere else? IB4002 H00 MIO092 1146.97 1147.47 Um. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1150.41 1152.23 So and the photocopier is still IB4002 H03 MIO091 1152.91 1153.45 Here. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1153.08 1153.45 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1153.42 1156.58 Yeah, we have to from the other side of the IB4002 H01 FIE038 1157.36 1158.56 But well. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1158.23 1159.08 You just don't photocopy. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1159.54 1159.69 Yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1161.93 1162.66 Yeah, who does anyway? IB4002 H01 FIE038 1164.69 1168.72 Yeah, the people having students. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1166.91 1167.15 Yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1169.55 1171.95 So maybe you and Bruno should take this office. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1173.48 1176.33 No, but it's too far from IB4002 H03 MIO091 1175.63 1176.61 Well you have the other IB4002 H02 FIO093 1177.5 1177.81 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1178.84 1179.08 lift. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1181.19 1181.65 Okay. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1183.99 1185.13 Yeah, if we change the IB4002 H03 MIO091 1185.28 1185.8 The switch? IB4002 H01 FIE038 1186.56 1187.47 three people, IB4002 H01 FIE038 1188.3 1190.34 Pirette, Marianne, David David IB4002 H03 MIO091 1192.34 1193.11 With here? IB4002 H01 FIE038 1192.67 1194.46 with here and uh IB4002 H02 FIO093 1196.44 1196.69 Yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1197.72 1198.6 Yeah, that's a good idea. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1202.21 1203.39 That's quite good. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1203.39 1204.06 And then yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1202.21 1204.59 So like that and then move you to IB4002 H02 FIO093 1205.89 1208.08 So we have a three windows' room. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1208.08 1211.1 With view everywhere. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1211.1 1211.79 Aha. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1207.65 1208.96 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1208.96 1211.4 We got it. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1213.97 1215.21 From the beginning. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1211.67 1213.97 That's what the plan was. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1212.92 1216.58 W with the mount ah my mountains, yes I got the mountains. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1214.58 1214.98 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1217.98 1220.33 Now we are all gonna come photocopy just to annoy you. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1216.71 1217.98 Do you get the photocopying noise. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1219.8 1221.26 We close the door. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1220.09 1224.07 And it's not very healthy either, yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1222.11 1225.39 And bathrooms are nearby, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1226.36 1227.51 Yeah and IB4002 H03 MIO091 1231.06 1231.44 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1236.45 1237.71 I think that's quite nice. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1240.16 1242.19 Or did was the id IB4002 H03 MIO091 1243.98 1245.92 I should start start making full sentences. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1246.86 1247.88 What about IB4002 H03 MIO091 1250.44 1257.42 I was thinking about moving Pierrette and Marianne into a two person office rather than a three person office. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1258.03 1259.35 And then? IB4002 H02 FIO093 1259.35 1260.72 And put David IB4002 H03 MIO091 1259.83 1260.57 But IB4002 H03 MIO091 1261.33 1262.77 With Andrei and Nancy, for example. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1263.69 1266.29 In a two person office? IB4002 H02 FIO093 1266.29 1266.78 And why? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1264.79 1266.28 No, in a three person office. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1266.28 1270.73 Because if they have reception IB4002 H03 MIO091 1272.23 1273.29 I know, I thought you were saying that IB4002 H03 MIO091 1274.33 1276.7 Pierrette should have a smaller office, IB4002 H03 MIO091 1277.81 1283.45 or be in a smaller office, because of reception or something, or did I just completely misunderstand? IB4002 H02 FIO093 1284.3 1295.03 No, no, the reason to put Pirette and Marianne Marianne and I together is because of the noise we make by receiving students. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1293.23 1293.89 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1296 1301.68 And then the reason to put David in this office it's because yeah, it's fifty per cent in a three IB4002 H03 MIO091 1298.4 1299.86 Is because he's fifty per cent, okay. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1299.2 1300.39 Fifty per cent, yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1302.31 1303.4 Okay, that works. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1303.18 1303.42 um IB4002 H02 FIO093 1304.79 1305.4 place office. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1307.48 1308.29 Um. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1316.9 1318.14 That sounds nice, no? IB4002 H01 FIE038 1318.72 1319.35 Yeah, looks good. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1321.17 1321.46 Mm-hmm. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1325.08 1327.62 And I think we do have the best office uh. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1327.62 1334.99 It's a kind of dictatorship decision, but we are here to make a decision, so IB4002 H01 FIE038 1328.21 1329.39 I'm quite happy with it. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1327.17 1328.21 Yeah, I think too. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1337.29 1340.52 And Agnes, you're gonna sell this to the administrator? IB4002 H01 FIE038 1341.19 1341.46 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1341.54 1342.74 I'm going to try. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1342.74 1343.26 Yes. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1344.05 1344.41 So? IB4002 H02 FIO093 1343.29 1344.05 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1345.48 1347.27 'Kay, what arguments do I need? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1353.87 1355.8 Although you still have Susan and Maggie over here. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1349.44 1353.87 Well, we have the the group and students here. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1350.34 1352.04 The argument of student. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1353.33 1356.62 You can also s oh, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1352.04 1353.33 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1357.03 1363.27 Yeah, but it's quite logical to have the for the professors one person rooms, I think. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1359.81 1359.92 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1360.61 1360.92 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1362.88 1363.09 Yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1377.01 1377.34 Mm. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1378.77 1381.45 So it is sort of a well, no, it's not a project split. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1382.68 1383.67 is IB4002 H03 MIO091 1383 1385.1 It's weird, 'cause it kind of is and kind of isn't. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1387.7 1396.88 Because Maria and Martin and I work all work on the same project, and then Andrei and Nancy work on the same project, and Pierrette n yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1390.46 1390.71 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1394.14 1397.19 Yeah, but we all work on different projects so we can't IB4002 H02 FIO093 1402.18 1405.1 What is the little square d you put oh, a printer? IB4002 H02 FIO093 1406.34 1406.64 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1405.1 1406.34 And the photocopier? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1405.1 1406.34 And yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1405.39 1406.6 For the yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1418.63 1419.43 That's quite fine. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1419.92 1423.63 Okay, let me just write down the arguments for why um IB4002 H00 MIO092 1424 1430.72 suggestion, if possible, we could move me and Yalina to the office where Andrei and Nancy are now. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1424.04 1425.27 Student reception. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1426.49 1426.88 Mm-hmm. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1430.64 1432.53 You just want a bigger window. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1432.95 1436.68 No, I I just it's just more convenient if I'm closer with my IB4002 H00 MIO092 1438.16 1439.95 The partners of my project. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1438.2 1438.55 You. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1440.09 1440.61 Okay. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1441.35 1445.06 We can skive as you said. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1450.24 1451.05 No yeah, that's fine. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1451.52 1452.12 Happy? IB4002 H02 FIO093 1457.67 1461.95 So the arguments are uh student reception IB4002 H01 FIE038 1458.56 1459.34 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1464.08 1464.71 in one corner. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1477.61 1479.11 That's noise reduction. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1479.16 1479.31 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1481.33 1482.45 The fifty per cent IB4002 H02 FIO093 1483.38 1484.1 staff IB4002 H02 FIO093 1485.34 1485.97 in the three IB4002 H01 FIE038 1487.7 1488.79 Mm-hmm. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1487.01 1487.7 Person rooms. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1487.55 1488.22 person room. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1500.31 1503.69 And the projects they're they are quite well grouped actually now. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1500.46 1500.78 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1504.27 1505.51 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1505.51 1505.7 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1504.29 1505.12 Now they are, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1507.01 1512.83 And um the two mm and the two professor is one single. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1508.27 1510.2 Except for David, but we can't do anything about that. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1519.09 1521.24 And well Gisella she is kind of IB4002 H01 FIE038 1522.91 1523.6 in the middle. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1524 1524.25 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1525.32 1525.98 Centred. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1525.67 1527.79 She's the heart of the. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1526.85 1530.87 Yeah, department. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1539.46 1540.95 Yeah, or in that hall. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1540.95 1543.88 I mean, the sixth floor, there is no coffee machine on the sixth floor. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1529.88 1539.46 And since you nee you will meet the administrator, can we ask for a coffee machine somewhere. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1537.42 1538.92 In the reading room, that would be good. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1541.97 1545.31 It's not kitchen. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1542.7 1545.13 Oh it's not, ah it's IB4002 H03 MIO091 1545.28 1546.03 You mean like IB4002 H03 MIO091 1547.19 1550.08 a little machine or a vending machine? IB4002 H02 FIO093 1548.08 1550.31 No no, um a vending machine. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1550.88 1551.14 'Kay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1551.7 1554.31 The little machine, I think, would be harder to sell, but IB4002 H02 FIO093 1557.08 1557.7 Yeah but try. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1558.45 1558.65 I will. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1559.32 1559.92 Yeah, good coffee. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1561.22 1562.19 Wi with good coffee. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1562.19 1564.84 Italian one, please. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1562.32 1570.76 Nespresso? IB4002 H01 FIE038 1564.66 1567.78 Quite strong, strong good coffee. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1563.13 1564.66 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1568.85 1569.53 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1571.62 1572.29 And herb tea. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1572.82 1573.94 Uh yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1574.32 1577.72 What did you say, hot tea? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1573.11 1574.32 With the good strong coffee. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1574.11 1575.26 For the afternoon. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1575.19 1575.54 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1577.88 1578.45 H herb tea. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1579.69 1580.55 Oh, herb tea. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1581.2 1583.06 Because with strong coffee I don't t sleep. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1579.86 1581.2 For the afternoon, yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1588.17 1589.84 And you drink uh coffee, yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1585.33 1588.17 If you late uh you work late, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1586.25 1586.39 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1589.09 1590.23 Yeah yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1590.23 1590.28 Mm. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1594.4 1597.03 And do we know if there will be air conditioning? IB4002 H01 FIE038 1599.44 1602.27 Is there actually a smoking uh area somewhere? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1603.6 1604.54 Non-smoking building. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1603.49 1603.6 Nope. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1603.56 1604.54 Not for me but IB4002 H01 FIE038 1613.99 1616.4 They have to go down, yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1605.81 1607.42 but we okay. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1613.05 1613.63 No. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1607.42 1613.05 We have the terrace still on the sixth floor or uh how how. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1613.63 1613.99 Not at all. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1609.69 1612.84 No no no, there is no terrace on that building. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1613.1 1615.33 No, they'll have to go down. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1617.97 1621.14 So, no we're not gonna change the plan only for the smokers. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1621.51 1624.88 Well it's it's ideal for Nancy, she is just very close to the lifts. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1622.92 1623.81 Yeah, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1627.24 1627.99 As well. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1625.15 1627.24 Exactly. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1625.35 1628.1 And Susan, Maggie as well. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1625.54 1628.04 And Susan Maggie close enough, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1632.92 1633.86 I think it's fine. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1635.83 1636.01 Okay. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1646.29 1646.96 Excellent, yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1647.8 1649.24 Yeah, I think it's okay. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1649.24 1651.77 Let's see what the the other ones say. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1648.51 1649.39 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1649.39 1651.95 Is everyone happy with that? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1654.5 1655.86 Yeah, I think so. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1659.76 1662.15 Just checking if actually have everyone, but I think we do. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1663.35 1664.98 So when exactly are we supposed to move? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1666.4 1669.85 In was it what did I say, three weeks. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1668.61 1669.48 Three weeks. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1669.79 1671.04 Three weeks. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1671.04 1678.41 So they've set up everything, wiring, uh internet, or what's the sta the status right now? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1684.77 1688.74 So when you get there the next day, all your stuff is already in your office. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1677.32 1679.19 As far as I know, yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1679.19 1684.77 As far as I know basically we pack up one day, the movers come, take all our stuff, put into the red boxes. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1682.66 1682.81 Mm. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1688.12 1688.43 Wow. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1689.48 1692.78 And all the I. P. s and everything is set up. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1692.78 1693.36 They're trying. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1690.05 1691.68 That's very professional yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1693.94 1694.29 Hmm. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1696.47 1698.22 Make sure you label your boxes properly. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1694.55 1696.47 So, we'll see. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1696.47 1697.34 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1701.06 1702.89 Um especially the Marianne's. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1711.28 1711.67 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1709.97 1711.28 Ah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1704.64 1709.97 My boxes. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1704.91 1705.49 Uh can IB4002 H03 MIO091 1706.24 1709.23 Yeah, so they won't confuse it get confused with the other Marianne's boxes. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1713.22 1714.76 For general information? IB4002 H02 FIO093 1709.24 1713.22 can we think of putting a white board somewhere in the hall? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1715.52 1716.75 Uh we can try. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1717.72 1718.74 That might be a good idea. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1717.84 1718.74 I can ask them. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1718.73 1719.23 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1722.3 1723.9 Well, mai mailing lists. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1725.05 1728.49 Of course, you can mail em yeah, if you have something. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1727.48 1728.67 But that's not really IB4002 H02 FIO093 1728.16 1736.59 Yeah, but I mean you have a nice poster of the next conference, you don't put it you know a a big board with IB4002 H01 FIE038 1736.11 1736.67 Yes,. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1731.94 1734.17 Ah okay, yeah a posters, okay. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1735.58 1736.11 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1734.17 1735.58 That's kind of thing. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1738.87 1740.34 Um where? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1741.64 1744.6 Like along Gisella's IB4002 H02 FIO093 1742.62 1744.23 Along one of the wall, yeah. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1744.08 1744.21 S IB4002 H01 FIE038 1746.85 1748.92 Or in front of the reading room or IB4002 H00 MIO092 1750.39 1756.85 Well there are lots of walls we can put posters on. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1750.4 1750.59 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1751.59 1751.68 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1753.31 1753.4 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1755.31 1755.95 Okay, so IB4002 H03 MIO091 1757.08 1759.78 Along that bottom hallway somewhere. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1759.26 1759.81 Mm yeah,. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1759.36 1759.82 Mm. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1770.63 1771.06 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1773.38 1774.78 Anything else I need to ask them? IB4002 H01 FIE038 1782 1782.94 No more special IB4002 H01 FIE038 1784.27 1785.49 wishes. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1786.63 1786.95 'Kay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1789.93 1793.84 I don't actually we may need to sort out IB4002 H02 FIO093 1796.05 1796.29 Ooh. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1797.85 1800 That's not healthy. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1800 1801.56 Um who IB4002 H03 MIO091 1803.15 1809.87 I don't know if we need to sort out who sits where, 'cause if they're gonna plug everything and set everything up. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1809.8 1812.86 I think it's everybody's responsibility to find IB4002 H03 MIO091 1813.46 1813.67 Yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1818.22 1822.51 I mean, if we start doing that not happy IB4002 H02 FIO093 1814.02 1818.22 if they prefer to be in front of, back to window or whatever. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1818.18 1818.45 Yeah. IB4002 H01 FIE038 1822.68 1825.76 yeah, you know. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1822.92 1825.45 Yeah, we don't want to micro manage things, yeah. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1823.88 1826.88 We are all adults, so I think we can all speak and IB4002 H03 MIO091 1824.07 1824.17 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1825.49 1826.19 Yeah, no, no. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1826.19 1826.57 Yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1827.2 1833.98 I just can't remember whether they're actually gonna set everything up for us or not, but we can change it I guess. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1829.98 1830.61 Uh okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1832.96 1833.9 I hope, yeah. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1838 1838.18 Okay. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1838.93 1839.08 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1840.72 1842.04 save this. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1839.56 1840.72 That's it then. IB4002 H00 MIO092 1847.89 1849.48 Can you mail a copy of that to everybody? IB4002 H03 MIO091 1850.21 1850.35 Yep. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1851.71 1853.58 Not right now, 'cause I'm not connected to the internet. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1857.75 1858.19 But I will. IB4002 H02 FIO093 1858.98 1859.73 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1861.34 1861.52 Okay. IB4002 H03 MIO091 1862.34 1863.17 Good, we're done then. IB4003 H03 MIO039 45.41 45.71 Okay. IB4003 H02 FIE037 48.68 49.61 And don't forget the IB4003 H03 MIO039 50.32 50.51 Oh yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 56.68 59.36 Thanks for coming to this meeting. IB4003 H00 MIO036 71.98 75.56 Uh but we also have to find out how we use this space. IB4003 H00 MIO036 54.77 56.68 Um, so hi everyone. IB4003 H00 MIO036 69.19 71.98 So that's a very good piece of news. IB4003 H00 MIO036 59.36 69.19 Um well as you all know the topic of this morning's meeting is uh the fact that we're moving and we are going to get more space. IB4003 H00 MIO036 76.68 85.55 So um if you want, I'll just give a brief overview of what's happening and then we can uh talk about, IB4003 H00 MIO036 85.55 89.99 well, arranging these new uh the new office space. IB4003 H00 MIO036 89.99 101.55 So um in case you haven't seen the the documents uh let me just uh show you very briefly the the configuration of the the space. IB4003 H00 MIO036 152.01 158.1 Um actually I think Agnes did this nice drawing so she even put the the view, IB4003 H00 MIO036 147.27 152.01 of one person rooms, two person room and and three person rooms. IB4003 H00 MIO036 132.33 138.82 Um so the the the one P., two P., three P. means the the number of persons. IB4003 H00 MIO036 162.94 165.96 Uh we have some bathrooms for us. IB4003 H00 MIO036 103.99 107.5 So um well, there is nothing much to say. IB4003 H00 MIO036 126.38 132.33 And it's uh sort of contiguous rooms as you you can all see from uh from here. IB4003 H00 MIO036 138.82 147.27 As you can see we have several corridor um with a number of uh of uh of rooms, IB4003 H00 MIO036 124.09 126.38 So it's at the sixth floor. IB4003 H00 MIO036 165.96 173.59 Uh and a courtyard which actually means a sort of uh shaft, because uh the court is uh down at uh the first floor. IB4003 H00 MIO036 107.5 115.54 Well you know how many of us are are present and you know that we are um a bit tight actually in our present location. IB4003 H00 MIO036 115.54 124.09 Uh that's why actually the university finally um allocated us this uh this part of uh the Unimail building. IB4003 H00 MIO036 158.1 162.94 so we have the old town on one side, and the mountains on the other two sides. IB4003 H03 MIO039 172.96 180.29 Andre, just, yeah, just a a clarification question, are they number of people per room indicated strict, or can we play around with? IB4003 H03 MIO039 180.29 188.45 I mean if there are two people, is it really that you can't put three or uh two and a half or uh how how was it calculated? IB4003 H00 MIO036 237.77 239.45 Do you need something, Martin? IB4003 H00 MIO036 194.02 195.4 Uh they are here. IB4003 H00 MIO036 228.41 236.78 What's What should be said here, I don't know if, well, you I I will maybe distribute now documents if you don't have them. IB4003 H00 MIO036 258.33 261.14 So it it's for the moment quite comfortable. IB4003 H00 MIO036 236.78 237.77 Maybe it's easier. IB4003 H00 MIO036 245.17 248.02 You too David, I think. IB4003 H00 MIO036 248.02 252.62 So in fact there are more places than people, so we won't be that constrained. IB4003 H00 MIO036 261.14 269.6 Normally we should even get an extra uh an extra place for, you know, temporary people coming to work on uh on projects. IB4003 H00 MIO036 195.4 201.57 So um well, your your person Your your question actually is answered maybe by the third item. IB4003 H00 MIO036 225.94 228.41 But um we could try. IB4003 H00 MIO036 210.15 218.79 Uh a filing cabinet that goes under the desk uh and, well, we can put hanging shelves over the the desks. IB4003 H00 MIO036 218.79 225.94 So I'm not really sure it's possible to get three um three desks in a two person office. IB4003 H00 MIO036 252.62 258.33 Uh as you know some of us and some of you here actually, Martin and David are part-time. IB4003 H00 MIO036 187.49 194.02 Well, it's a bit difficult to say, because um in fact we have some constraints in terms of furniture. IB4003 H00 MIO036 269.6 279.77 Uh yeah, I uh yeah, I counted so we have um fifteen pers physical persons and about uh sixteen, IB4003 H00 MIO036 242.28 245.17 Uh so it's it's Yeah, you have a copy, Susan. IB4003 H00 MIO036 201.57 208.63 So each person should get um, well, it's a sort of desk, it's made of two pieces and it looks like a corner. IB4003 H00 MIO036 279.77 284.44 I think, uh persons oh, actually, eighteen persons in the offices. IB4003 H00 MIO036 208.63 210.15 With, of course, a chair. IB4003 H00 MIO036 239.45 242.28 Um, I can keep this for you. IB4003 H03 MIO039 194.84 195.09 'Kay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 227.38 227.58 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 239.3 240.21 I have everything. IB4003 H03 MIO039 241.19 241.91 Okay, so IB4003 H02 FIE037 243.01 243.58 I have a copy. IB4003 H02 FIE037 243.58 244.43 Yeah. IB4003 H01 MIO094 246.63 246.86 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 267.77 268.38 Are you sure of that? IB4003 H03 MIO039 276.66 276.83 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 281.97 282.17 Two IB4003 H02 FIE037 283.99 287.95 Six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen. IB4003 H03 MIO039 284.48 286.41 Yeah, but counting the rea the the reading room. IB4003 H00 MIO036 293.82 299.92 unlike what had until now, a lounge or reading room uh in one of the the offices. IB4003 H00 MIO036 299.92 301.14 So in one of the rooms. IB4003 H00 MIO036 286.98 293.82 Exactly, it so one of the issues uh here, it's probably not on the slides, is that we would like to have uh, IB4003 H03 MIO039 297.33 297.55 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 301.39 302.2 Do we really need that? IB4003 H00 MIO036 307.26 311.67 So if we could do it, then I think it would be much nicer. IB4003 H00 MIO036 303.29 307.26 Um, I think quite a lot of people e expressed the need for that. IB4003 H00 MIO036 311.67 315.33 Um let me also uh st say something Yep. IB4003 H03 MIO039 313.89 323.04 And Susan, don't forget the time we spend to for discussions about that room, so you should be able to valorize this if possible. IB4003 H02 FIE037 322.6 322.91 Okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 323.43 325.45 Yeah, I I think so. IB4003 H03 MIO039 324.02 329.12 But I still agree with you that the b the we are not so we are not so large, as far as space is concerned. IB4003 H03 MIO039 335.5 345.32 so uh to the best uh if you take uh two people room for the reading room, then you have uh sixteen places. IB4003 H03 MIO039 329.12 335.5 Uh because fifteen people to put in there eighteen positions, IB4003 H03 MIO039 345.32 345.6 Mm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 328.41 328.77 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 334.65 335.04 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 342.98 346.36 Well, sixteen slots for fifteen people. IB4003 H00 MIO036 346.36 348.33 So it's still should be feasible. IB4003 H03 MIO039 348.63 351.36 Yeah, that that also means that the growth will be zero. IB4003 H00 MIO036 349.46 350.19 That's IB4003 H00 MIO036 360.66 361.15 Correct. IB4003 H00 MIO036 355.26 360.66 Maybe we can think of, yeah, some two or three, yeah, for visiting people. IB4003 H00 MIO036 352.42 355.26 Yeah, I think that's quite important to manage some space. IB4003 H03 MIO039 357.66 362.56 Visiting visiti visiting researchers, students coming for exchange students et cetera. IB4003 H02 FIE037 362.16 362.47 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 363.92 368.2 Okay, so let me finish with the the constraints which are almost done. IB4003 H00 MIO036 381.86 385.08 Um okay, the offices comes with white boards. IB4003 H00 MIO036 368.2 374.07 So we also need to to find the a spot for the photocopier, the fax machine, and the printer. IB4003 H00 MIO036 387.14 393.4 Uh the furniture that w each each person has and uh you have a list of people. IB4003 H00 MIO036 385.08 387.14 Not very uh very important. IB4003 H00 MIO036 374.07 381.86 The fax, you know, is very small, but um the photocopier is quite huge, and the printer is uh well ab this size. IB4003 H00 MIO036 362.86 363.92 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 405.71 409.32 Um there is another group that is also having discussions. IB4003 H00 MIO036 394.73 403.32 So the thing uh you you ought to know is that we're not the only ones that w we're thin that that are thinking about uh for well IB4003 H00 MIO036 409.32 421.67 So the idea is that today we'll just try to f start seeing the main constraints and then you have time to to go and think about it uh ask the people you know, IB4003 H00 MIO036 403.32 405.71 about putting people i in these rooms. IB4003 H00 MIO036 421.67 427.99 your assistants, for instance, and at the next meeting we'll try to to come with one solution. IB4003 H00 MIO036 427.99 433.08 Uh, the other group will also propose a solution and then there will be another negotiation. IB4003 H00 MIO036 433.08 433.78 So w IB4003 H02 FIE037 433.49 435.99 And if we don't get this space then what happens? IB4003 H00 MIO036 440.11 449.5 Um, well basically they are promised to us so uh Do do you think there are chances that they take from us one of the rooms or uh IB4003 H00 MIO036 437.36 440.11 Uh if i if we don't get these? IB4003 H02 FIE037 439.12 439.89 These, yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 441.22 442.8 We j we stay where we are. IB4003 H02 FIE037 450.08 450.44 Okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 450.97 454.81 Yeah, I I I think it's uh Uh, yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 453.56 456.84 No the the the chances might be that there are more people to put in that space. IB4003 H00 MIO036 456.98 459.32 Yeah i yeah, that's one of the the problems. IB4003 H00 MIO036 498.36 498.64 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 468.3 476.79 Um okay, so maybe we could try to to see now what would be the main options. IB4003 H00 MIO036 459.32 468.3 I think maybe we should take this into account and maybe think of some of the bigger rooms with four people, one being temporary or or part-time. IB4003 H00 MIO036 486.71 495.69 In in the table that um that we have, uh we also have the uh uh the p the main projects on which the people are working. IB4003 H00 MIO036 476.79 480.73 Say the general uh, well, arrangement options. IB4003 H00 MIO036 480.73 486.71 Do you think that we should put people, say, according to projects for instance? IB4003 H00 MIO036 495.69 498.36 So how Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 503.9 514.03 because uh at least we are half per cent uh fifty per cent of from E. P. F. L. and uh sometimes you have meetings where w y the the decision is already taken, IB4003 H03 MIO039 496.83 503.9 Andre, sorry for interrupting, but uh one again clarification question, what is the real margin of manoeuvre that we have for these discussions IB4003 H03 MIO039 514.03 524.01 so uh um you can spend quite a lot of time discussing things, so what what will be the impact of what we will come out come up with? IB4003 H00 MIO036 539.91 544.12 So basically we are all the permutations are possible at the moment. IB4003 H00 MIO036 522.91 527.04 Oh, actually what is fixed is the n the number of rooms. IB4003 H00 MIO036 527.04 528.61 This we cannot really change. IB4003 H00 MIO036 528.61 534.51 I mean at least not us, it would be much more difficult to get another another room for instance. IB4003 H00 MIO036 534.51 539.91 But what is absolutely n not fixed is the arrangement of the people in the rooms. IB4003 H03 MIO039 539.91 541.34 So, another way of a IB4003 H03 MIO039 550.94 555.12 Or are we the the one that is supposed to do the p the the p position for it? IB4003 H03 MIO039 543.79 550.94 Another way of asking the question, is there any other group already working on uh on the how this should be uh should be allocated? IB4003 H00 MIO036 551.8 552.28 Um IB4003 H00 MIO036 561.46 569.29 So uh the other group is, uh I don't think we have to see them as competitors, but they are just trying to to find another local optimum. IB4003 H00 MIO036 569.29 570.3 Or l uh IB4003 H00 MIO036 555.41 561.46 Well, what we are looking for is a solution that suits everyone and that makes the maximum of people happy. IB4003 H03 MIO039 571.79 572.55 I mean IB4003 H03 MIO039 569.44 571.79 But wha why why don't they have any representative here. IB4003 H02 FIE037 572.6 574.1 Yeah, why didn't we have a meeting together? IB4003 H03 MIO039 574.21 576.04 Yeah, why do we do it separately? IB4003 H01 MIO094 574.57 581.15 Uh, they have another group and then uh uh uh Andre and Agnes will discuss about it with. IB4003 H01 MIO094 581.15 583.61 You are the rep representative of this group actually. IB4003 H00 MIO036 574.9 575.45 Uh IB4003 H00 MIO036 604.54 605.21 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 605.21 610.36 Well, we could have been eight h sitting around here and and talking, but I think it's it's more difficult. IB4003 H00 MIO036 600.8 604.54 mm well, you know, find two two kinds of opinions. IB4003 H00 MIO036 582.04 583.27 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 583.27 584.51 Yeah uh uh we Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 584.51 587.97 I I think that's Yeah, there is no real competition between the two, IB4003 H00 MIO036 587.97 593.75 but we'll just try to find at least two solutions and see how how close they are, actually. IB4003 H00 MIO036 593.75 600.8 It's it's I think well the m the people who who decided this thought it was the best solution to, IB4003 H03 MIO039 604.91 605.11 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 610.7 612.19 No, but you know that that's a standard thing. IB4003 H03 MIO039 618.86 626.45 we'll put them put her or him somewhere else, then we will do plenty of work for nothing, because we'll not have this constraint. IB4003 H03 MIO039 612.19 618.86 It's Suppose that somebody for some strange reasons want to be in the corner and we don't know about that, IB4003 H03 MIO039 626.45 627.74 We'll not be aware of this constraint. IB4003 H00 MIO036 624.67 625.01 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 626.6 627.03 Well IB4003 H00 MIO036 628.36 632.03 Exactly, I think So so today the goal is not to to find the solution today IB4003 H00 MIO036 632.03 638.83 but to set some constraints and then go and see the people and find out if they have any preferences. IB4003 H00 MIO036 638.83 645.37 Obviously we won't be able to accommodate all the the preferences, but at least we'll find the most uh the most important ones. IB4003 H03 MIO039 631.54 632.29 Oh, okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 633.72 633.91 Okay. IB4003 H02 FIE037 650.58 655.72 because they also have a lot of students that they have to see as we do, and so that's another consideration, too. IB4003 H02 FIE037 645.59 650.58 Well, certainly we have to ask uh Pierrette and uh and Maggie, since they're not here, IB4003 H00 MIO036 646.75 647.59 P s I think IB4003 H00 MIO036 650.77 652.11 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 651.41 651.71 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 653.67 653.98 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 695.02 703.65 But let us try to see today whether we prefer to organise people, say, by projects or just professor and assistant. IB4003 H00 MIO036 703.65 709.83 So what would be f, say, first your preferences, since Let's let's start with us, maybe today. IB4003 H00 MIO036 681.89 689.36 Um so since all of you have a copy of the uh, well, of the drawing, I think for the next time IB4003 H00 MIO036 677 681.89 but uh I think that's a bit uh a bit hard then to to work out. IB4003 H00 MIO036 660.39 663.67 we don't know exactly if they prefer for instance to be alone, IB4003 H00 MIO036 711.79 715.6 Would you prefer to be alone, would you prefer to be with your assistant. IB4003 H00 MIO036 670.48 677 So that would have been maybe, yeah, another solution is to ask everyone to provide uh an arrangement IB4003 H00 MIO036 663.67 670.48 or to well, to be with their assistant, or even with another person working on the project. IB4003 H00 MIO036 689.36 695.02 m maybe you could come with a concrete proposal with uh names on it. IB4003 H00 MIO036 715.6 725.44 You who are part-time, do you think you can come here on a very w well regular schedule or is it part-time, but variable during the week? IB4003 H00 MIO036 709.83 711.79 Um what do you think about it? IB4003 H00 MIO036 656.52 660.39 Yeah, I think so that's one of the things I think we know that they have students IB4003 H01 MIO094 717.24 717.41 Hmm. IB4003 H01 MIO094 727.03 728.62 Yeah uh, okay uh IB4003 H01 MIO094 728.62 735.21 me personally I would like to to to share the other peopl n uh the room with assistants as when you have problems of normal life, IB4003 H01 MIO094 739.89 743.33 so it's better to to be with a with an assistant to share the room. IB4003 H01 MIO094 735.21 739.89 like uh the printer doesn't work, uh I don't want to ask this to my supervisor IB4003 H00 MIO036 744.69 745.76 Uh-huh. IB4003 H00 MIO036 745.76 750.13 And since you're coming on the uh half-time, IB4003 H00 MIO036 750.13 753.23 do you think you will be able to group your presence here, say Monday, IB4003 H00 MIO036 753.23 756.81 Tuesday and Wednesday morning, or is it going to be m much more random? IB4003 H01 MIO094 749.77 750.01 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H01 MIO094 761.51 764.61 Uh I still would like to have my drawers and these things. IB4003 H01 MIO094 755.46 761.51 What uh I don't think it's a good idea to share uh t to ha to share the same desk. IB4003 H00 MIO036 760.8 761.2 Okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 779.42 782.88 It's no no way we we could put two persons at the same desk. IB4003 H00 MIO036 765.78 767.12 Yeah, I think so too. IB4003 H00 MIO036 773.52 779.42 I think it's quite clear that mm each person should have their own desk and Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 767.12 773.52 Um so Martin, you are also uh half-time and, well, the third person is Gisella. IB4003 H03 MIO039 778.69 779.36 I agree with that. IB4003 H03 MIO039 779.36 779.85 That's IB4003 H03 MIO039 802.58 808.77 Um, the uh the thing that f in my case has to be taken into account is that I will have a lot of phone calls. IB4003 H03 MIO039 812.22 818.77 So that's not necessary Well, it depends on I I have nothing against sharing a a an office with somebody. IB4003 H03 MIO039 789.8 794.63 it reduces the the ranges of time where too many people in the room. IB4003 H03 MIO039 818.77 822.16 I d already did it before, so and it was perfectly fine. IB4003 H03 MIO039 794.63 802.58 As far as I am concerned I probably might be able to have a kind of a regular presence here. IB4003 H03 MIO039 808.77 812.22 So I'll be talking o o o over the phone all the time. IB4003 H03 MIO039 783.46 789.8 Whe whe where part-time is important is that it's n an overlo load on a room, so um for sure if you have a part-time person IB4003 H00 MIO036 794.28 795.66 Yeah, I think grouping IB4003 H00 MIO036 808.89 809.26 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 810 811.44 Oh great. IB4003 H03 MIO039 823.4 832.69 It just has to be somebody who can work while somebody else is having phone calls in the in the room, which is very d much dependent on people. IB4003 H03 MIO039 832.69 835.72 Some people are not disturb at all by this. IB4003 H03 MIO039 835.72 836.84 Some people just can't work. IB4003 H00 MIO036 835.6 836.35 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 838.04 841.44 Are you disturbed by the phone calls of other people? IB4003 H00 MIO036 841.44 841.83 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 840.64 841.71 I'm not. IB4003 H03 MIO039 841.71 850.74 But uh and uh what might happen, but it uh it will not be so heavy here uh at ISSCO is visitors. IB4003 H03 MIO039 850.74 857 So that I will have more at E. P. F. L., uh typically students coming in um or asking for things. IB4003 H03 MIO039 857 861.78 As I'm not teaching here, I'm teaching at E. P. F. L., this should shouldn't be a such a big load. IB4003 H00 MIO036 853.21 853.51 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 868.23 871.87 because I will be communicating also through vocal means, so IB4003 H03 MIO039 863.16 868.23 So for me it it will be essentially I will not be I will not be able to be silent in the room, IB4003 H00 MIO036 865.08 865.73 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 871.86 872.45 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 891.95 899.53 Um insofar as in just about every other faculty in the building, every professor has their own office. IB4003 H02 FIE037 887.82 891.95 And you would see that you would have the same size office, but that would give the privacy. IB4003 H02 FIE037 905.44 910.09 So one option and that but that we would need to ask about if we could uh split one of the rooms uh IB4003 H02 FIE037 884.32 887.82 And so we would take uh uh one of the two people rooms and split it. IB4003 H02 FIE037 879.17 884.32 what they have done in the uh faculty of law, for example, that they actually split rooms? IB4003 H02 FIE037 872.82 879.17 Ye mm before um talking more about individual preferences, is there any possibility, IB4003 H02 FIE037 899.53 905.44 And it's it's really it goes a bit far that uh we have to have this uh all this sharing uh. IB4003 H03 MIO039 887.11 887.51 Hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 888.64 889.02 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 891.69 892.22 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 899.42 900.11 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 899.95 900.21 Hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 912.75 916.42 In the in the bigger rooms where, yeah You know like uh cubicles? IB4003 H03 MIO039 910.53 912.75 Do you go for boxes for instance? IB4003 H03 MIO039 916.42 916.62 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 914.7 915.92 Like cubicles. IB4003 H02 FIE037 917.48 919.08 That doesn't really solve it uh IB4003 H03 MIO039 919.37 919.57 Hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 923.29 929.05 and sometimes you have uh you need to have private uh discussions with somebody or whatever, so IB4003 H02 FIE037 919.88 923.29 I mean there's there's really a difference to having to have your own Yeah, IB4003 H03 MIO039 920.4 922.07 You mean, you really want to have walls. IB4003 H00 MIO036 921.22 922.17 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 923.63 924.1 Four walls. IB4003 H03 MIO039 924.94 925.15 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 926.75 927.55 Yeah, sure sure. IB4003 H00 MIO036 968.08 975.97 Uh how do you feel Susan about the professor sharing the room with her assistants or the one which is the most involved in in the teaching? IB4003 H00 MIO036 952.24 957.68 So there are these two rooms on the left that uh accommodate one person. IB4003 H00 MIO036 929.28 932.6 Yeah, I I I will try to find out whether we can separate. IB4003 H00 MIO036 957.68 965.64 So at least some of the professors, since you are four, uh could could go uh well, could take these uh these rooms. IB4003 H00 MIO036 932.6 937.72 I think for the moment the answer at least is no, because um it's not only, IB4003 H00 MIO036 937.72 941.05 well, making a wall, but also b mm making a new door. IB4003 H00 MIO036 965.64 968.08 And quite a lot of rooms with two persons. IB4003 H00 MIO036 946.33 952.24 Um, so at least for the moment, as you can see there are uh I can show them here on the screen. IB4003 H00 MIO036 941.05 946.33 So it's quite a lot of uh of work, but uh I will try to find this out for the next time. IB4003 H03 MIO039 957.28 957.45 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 958.15 958.44 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 996.83 998.89 But it's a personal preference uh. IB4003 H02 FIE037 979.09 982.71 As you know um, I prefer to have uh my own office. IB4003 H02 FIE037 976 979.09 Well, I I think it's uh really a matter of personal preference. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1004.43 1006.65 So I mean I think that we should still check with them IB4003 H02 FIE037 982.71 987.71 Um, I also have uh a lot of phone calls and y you know, have to see people, IB4003 H02 FIE037 987.71 993.71 and with the other work that I'm doing with the rectorate uh, that is really confidential information that I'm treating. IB4003 H02 FIE037 993.71 996.83 So I That I have to be really careful about too. IB4003 H02 FIE037 998.89 1004.43 Insofar as what we've had up until now, both Maggie and Pierrette have been happy to share with others. IB4003 H00 MIO036 981.2 981.67 Hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 982.32 982.49 Hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 992.66 993.57 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 993.85 993.95 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 992.69 993.85 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1005.12 1005.44 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1007.4 1014.64 That's uh it's much easier to me to uh to foresee having two people of the same position sharing a room, than uh IB4003 H03 MIO039 1006.51 1007.4 I fully agree with that. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1013.97 1015.56 Well, not sharing with each other. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1017.33 1017.86 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1015.56 1017.33 They each share with an assistant. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1022.7 1026.01 Yeah, you you you are discussing a budget on the on the project, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1015.7 1017.03 Oh sharing with their students. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1026.01 1035.21 you over the phone typically you don't necessary want to have somebody who will be dependent on that budget being part of the discussion, so IB4003 H03 MIO039 1017.03 1022.7 Oh sorry, because but that that's uh it's it's tricky because of confidentiality reasons, as you said. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1016.2 1017.21 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1031.46 1032.75 Paid on that IB4003 H00 MIO036 1031.96 1032.36 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1034.43 1034.89 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1037.56 1039.97 Yeah, that's um that's true. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1044.28 1050.23 Do you think it's a good idea to put together in the same room as much as possible people from the same project IB4003 H00 MIO036 1039.97 1041.51 Um, okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1041.51 1044.28 Um, maybe we could s look a bit at the projects. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1050.23 1052.48 since they talk quite a lot of to each other? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1048.04 1048.24 No. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1051.01 1054.48 No, because pro project doesn't last in time. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1054.48 1055.17 They will change. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1056.54 1056.91 Okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1055.41 1056.54 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1062.34 1062.65 Mm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1056.43 1062.34 That's what The only thing that will not or that will change only progressively in time is the status of the people. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1063.28 1070.05 Well, yeah, and some of the P. H. D. students will hopefully finish their P. H. D. at some point. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1066.11 1067.95 Yeah, they will promote that. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1068.84 1071.33 But still, th some things Well, yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1070.98 1071.56 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1072.07 1077.27 Yeah, and also some of our the people mentioned here are working on more than one project too. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1077.27 1077.61 So IB4003 H03 MIO039 1076.33 1076.54 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1079.03 1085.93 For example, uh Marianne de uh, she's also working with me on the virtual campus project, so she that one wasn't mentioned IB4003 H02 FIE037 1089 1093.47 but uh it's just to say people are working on uh sometimes more than one project uh IB4003 H02 FIE037 1085.93 1089 but I'm not saying that I necessarily want to be with her in the office IB4003 H00 MIO036 1079.3 1079.72 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1084.1 1084.76 Uh-huh. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1086.77 1087.34 Okay, yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1089.14 1089.73 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1101.4 1105.74 they just have a meeting room if it's not too far away then then it's a very good good practice. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1093.51 1098.72 If if it if i if projects are what you have in mind, I think that uh meeting room is the the tool for that. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1098.72 1101.4 If you need to have people in a projects talking together IB4003 H02 FIE037 1098.72 1098.81 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1098.93 1099.21 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1102.56 1102.94 Yep. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1105.19 1105.58 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1108.99 1114.35 but there are also more formal meeting rooms available in in the building, as we now know. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1105.58 1108.99 Well, actually, so the lounge could serve as some kind of meeting room, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1111.11 1111.35 Yes. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1113.82 1122.63 That's why I was quite receptive to uh Susan's remark at the beginning is I wouldn't formulate it in a such a an extreme way as IB4003 H03 MIO039 1122.63 1124.15 do we really need the lounge? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1127.26 1132.34 do we want to have only a lounge or s something that can be used only as a reading room? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1124.15 1127.26 But uh I would p probably formulate it in the way that uh IB4003 H00 MIO036 1124.82 1125.38 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1133.43 1138.17 Because because meeting rooms to me are very important tools to do uh collaborative work. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1138.33 1139.64 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1139.64 1140.6 So I think we need a IB4003 H03 MIO039 1139.34 1141.71 But on the other hand we also have to relax, so that's IB4003 H00 MIO036 1141.89 1149.35 Yeah, and and I think also we need a separate discussion on the furnishing of the lounge, which is a whole other topic. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1145.83 1146.22 Yes. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1149.83 1151.71 No I d um the lounge okay IB4003 H02 FIE037 1151.71 1157.96 but I think we need to also see it as a overflow place when we have um uh visitors for any length of time IB4003 H02 FIE037 1146.5 1149.83 Well, yeah, we'll skip that for now. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1157.96 1159.51 so they actually have a place to work. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1148.36 1148.72 Yes. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1155.41 1155.64 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1158.03 1158.11 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1159.67 1168.22 'Cause that's really my one of my worries with the plan that we have here is that it's it pr provides no possible possibilities of expansion. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1161 1162.13 Uh-huh. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1170 1172.71 I mean you can't you can't prevent having visitors. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1172.71 1173.54 And you shouldn't. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1169.25 1170 And this will happen. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1169.35 1169.96 Um IB4003 H02 FIE037 1175.23 1175.35 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1173.64 1175.23 No, you want to have visitors. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1178.99 1180.16 Uh that is Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1173.93 1178.99 Yeah, yeah, for the moment actually I think only one slot would be fully free. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1179.04 1181.5 Which for for fifteen people it's not enough. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1181.5 1182.26 I mean uh IB4003 H00 MIO036 1181.48 1183.51 Yeah, that means one visitor at a time. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1183.51 1184.77 Or one intern. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1184.77 1186.08 Yeah, that's Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1182.96 1183.29 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1183.93 1190.44 Yeah it's We have we have four professors here and and and two researchers. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1185.77 1186.73 It's IB4003 H01 MIO094 1188.33 1193.28 It's funny that uh we move to another building because we run out of uh space and we will have the same problem. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1188.71 1189.02 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1193.9 1194.04 Mm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1194.4 1199.32 Yes, but we have more space here than what we currently have, so it's at least some IB4003 H01 MIO094 1196.4 1196.81 Ah okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1199.22 1203.45 And you're you're working Uh I think, yeah, w Okay IB4003 H00 MIO036 1203.45 1209.91 so one of the things I have to do for the next time is fin find out about the separations between rooms and IB4003 H00 MIO036 1197.3 1199.22 Yeah, it's already in progress. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1198.82 1200.71 It's bad it's bad. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1217.08 1219.45 Uh it's not necessary heavy in terms of work. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1219.45 1222.02 It's heavy in terms of administrative authorisation. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1211.7 1217.08 I mean you can't just put walls in in rooms without any specific authoris Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1208.92 1211.7 Because this is really related with security uh regulation as well. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1214.45 1217.43 Yeah, I think it's quite a heavy transformation of the building. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1219.91 1220.28 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1222.25 1223.09 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1223.09 1226 And okay, I'll try to find out. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1226 1234.28 And the other question is, can we squeeze maybe four people in the uh or at least four places in the three three P. room? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1223.48 1224.17 At least at E. P. F. L. . IB4003 H03 MIO039 1234.71 1238.76 If you organise the desks in a in a intelligent way. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1234.2 1234.71 I think so. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1238.88 1239.15 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1248.46 1257.48 So that's uh I have to to ask, so you don't really feel um very strongly attached to this uh grouping by projects idea? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1258.88 1259.9 Um IB4003 H00 MIO036 1257.48 1258.88 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1239.76 1247.77 Yeah, hopefully visitors don't need as much say filing space, or um Yeah, they don't have that many papers. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1247.77 1248.46 Uh okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1242.53 1242.94 Yep. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1244.6 1245.46 Yeah, right, that's the point. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1256.24 1256.4 No. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1256.92 1257.15 No. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1258.82 1262.2 No, because they can share their ideas across the project, yeah, I would say. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1262.42 1264.03 Coffee machines are that made for that. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1265.28 1266.08 Yeah, exactly. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1265.29 1268.25 But uh usually, whe when new assistants come, IB4003 H01 MIO094 1268.25 1275.63 they would like to share the room with someone that knows uh l uh it's related with the project, so he can IB4003 H00 MIO036 1268.26 1268.59 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1274.75 1278.67 No, that's that's proximity doesn't play a big role there. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1278.67 1283.17 We can discuss with people that the the space is very small, I mean, altogether it's IB4003 H00 MIO036 1275.01 1275.56 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1279.04 1281 Yeah, they they can change. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1282.95 1283.08 Mm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1284.08 1284.52 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1284.48 1290.77 And uh you don't y you don't need to discuss about the projects, you f more need about th to discuss about where is the printer, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1297.63 1299.05 This is not project related. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1290.77 1297.63 how do I get furniture, I'm I don't have a a pencil, where is the the box with the pencils, and so on. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1284.77 1285.39 No, okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1300.9 1301.3 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1301.64 1301.86 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1307.03 1313.27 uh Bruno and Agnes are sharing an office and they're working on totally different projects and and they're they're just fine with that. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1302.13 1307.03 No, and if you look now at their uh the the current division of the offices, for example IB4003 H00 MIO036 1311.12 1311.69 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1311.52 1311.82 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1314.44 1314.63 Yeah IB4003 H00 MIO036 1325.16 1330.08 Um, are you aware f of any strong constraints right now? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1314.63 1325.16 I think that's that's going to be one of the the main things we'll have to ask is whether people have strong preferences either in staying with someone or in uh not staying. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1336 1342.24 because before we were grouping the smokers and now that there's no smoking, uh I guess that's not very important option, though IB4003 H02 FIE037 1330.42 1336 Well, there there were, but they sort of disappeared as of October when the no smoking rule came in, IB4003 H00 MIO036 1336.85 1337.08 Oh. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1337.19 1337.75 Yeah, that's true. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1342.52 1343.46 Okay, yeah, that's true. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1343.46 1348.01 So smoking is now um no longer a constraint. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1347.12 1351.74 Well, except for that maybe you don't even want anybody smoking on your balcony, so IB4003 H00 MIO036 1352.62 1352.97 Yeah. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1352.77 1356.64 Is it allowed to smoke inside an office, if it's a one person No, not any more. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1355.26 1355.57 No. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1356.4 1356.47 No. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1356.84 1360.26 No, n it's in in principle it's a it's a no smoking building. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1361.54 1364.54 So you can go outside onto the balcony to smoke. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1360.26 1361.54 You can smoke outside. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1365.72 1365.88 No. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1364.54 1365.72 Not even in the cafeteria. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1357.27 1358.52 It's non-smoking campus. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1361.44 1361.63 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1362.87 1364.92 Not even in the cafeteria? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1364.92 1365.43 Downstairs? IB4003 H02 FIE037 1366.31 1370.3 Full no smoking building for all of the six thousand students. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1366.44 1366.67 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1366.67 1368.5 That's the new regulation. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1366.83 1367.15 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1367.91 1368.16 Wow. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1368.28 1371.12 On the roof maybe. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1374.22 1374.69 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1374.69 1375.25 Normally. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1372.45 1374.22 Uh on the balcony, actually. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1374.07 1374.27 Yep. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1373.46 1374.07 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1373.62 1374.41 The balcony, okay. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1375.3 1376.58 There is the there's that terrace. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1376.82 1377.94 But Andre, uh just a IB4003 H01 MIO094 1376.88 1380.29 Wow, there there's no place in inside the building? IB4003 H01 MIO094 1380.29 1384.2 Wow, E. T. P. F. L. is a c it's a non-smoking campus, but there are some places tha IB4003 H02 FIE037 1379.39 1379.53 No. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1407.72 1414.72 where people are with other peoples and they will find politically correct ways to tell you that uh they don't want to have a view on the mountains, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1402.47 1405.29 But uh you can get them through a proposal. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1390.82 1395.67 I I don't think that anyone will provide you information such as who doesn't want to be with whom. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1414.72 1419.68 but they prefer to have view on the old town, so they would be in the toilets. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1395.67 1400.97 That's a typical uh output of ex uh research in expert systems. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1384.96 1387.72 Still some places where smokers can survive. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1419.68 1422.12 They would um p prefer to be in another room. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1400.97 1402.47 These are the rules that you never get. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1405.29 1407.72 So you propose a set-up IB4003 H03 MIO039 1387.72 1390.82 But Andre, just a comment abou about your your previous uh request. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1386.08 1388.25 Yeah yeah yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1388.73 1388.96 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1388.21 1388.73 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1404.18 1404.55 The other way. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1406.55 1407.31 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1417.37 1421.82 O on the toilets or IB4003 H00 MIO036 1421.85 1422.26 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1422.47 1428.14 No, we we do have one constraint that's difficult, which is uh Gisella, because when she's there she's very noisy. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1426.81 1427.02 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1427 1428.12 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1428.17 1428.43 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1429.09 1432.12 She's on the phone a lot It's just it's by Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1432.12 1437.45 It's by nat uh by the nature of her work that uh a lot of it is communication. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1437.45 1437.65 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1429.41 1433.07 But that's a sec s that's the admin that's the admin uh so it's part of the work. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1433.07 1433.22 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1440.44 1442.81 Yeah the in she's the interface. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1436.51 1440.44 Yes, Martin said also for him and, yeah, especially for her. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1435.37 1436.51 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1442.81 1444.58 So Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1439.83 1439.92 Yep. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1442.71 1443.9 And that that's a problem, you're right IB4003 H03 MIO039 1452.26 1458.51 And uh if you put two person persons or three persons for the admin space, who who who else would you put in there? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1443.9 1452.26 because because we don't have a one person we d we don't have enough one person rooms for uh accommodating the uh the admin place. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1448.57 1448.81 Yep. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1459.1 1459.69 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1471.98 1473.93 Maybe you could put some visitors, but um IB4003 H03 MIO039 1459.76 1470.15 Because we don't have any assistant manager or we don't have We have only one half part half-time uh admin and no other non-researcher positions, if I'm not mistaken. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1470.15 1471.98 And this is really a piece of a problem. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1470.61 1472.08 Yep. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1472.08 1472.51 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1475.1 1477.01 Yeah, I think Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1484.37 1488.67 it would be nice, but uh Okay, I'll try to find out, but uh IB4003 H00 MIO036 1477.01 1477.86 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1477.86 1484.37 I think putting Gisella with the other admin of the school is not an option, because we weren't offered Yeah, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1475.11 1475.53 I know. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1475.53 1479.02 It's not very uh realistic in a in a in an admin room, but uh IB4003 H02 FIE037 1485.05 1486.43 Why don't we ask about that? IB4003 H02 FIE037 1481.83 1485.05 I think that's a excellent idea. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1486.48 1487.94 Yeah, because IB4003 H03 MIO039 1488.05 1489.67 You can't put a researcher there. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1489.67 1494.54 That's just Either you lose one position or you find another admin or assistant manager. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1491.7 1492.13 I th IB4003 H00 MIO036 1495.83 1496.35 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1506.08 1506.65 So um IB4003 H02 FIE037 1496.58 1500.05 I mean there is certainly enough space uh down the hall, IB4003 H02 FIE037 1500.05 1506.08 wi if all of those uh uh offices that are, where half of them are also half time, and they're very under-used. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1500.2 1500.37 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1514.74 1517.42 you know, people just don't wanna change in general. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1506.6 1514.74 Okay, we'll try, but all these, yeah, are say sort of difficult questions because they involve changing also the offices of the school and, IB4003 H00 MIO036 1517.42 1523.2 Um, let's see, maybe we can find some temporary well, at least a proposal for Gisella. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1532.37 1532.66 Okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1523.2 1532.37 So, since the one-person rooms are quite, well, sort of um desired by a lot of people, she should probably No, y Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1513.73 1513.88 Yep. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1539.52 1545.44 because some of, typically, the professors have good reasons for sharing. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1561.05 1563.6 The other thing is to take a two person room for the admin. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1551.84 1553.34 In that case it's it's realistic. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1531.2 1539.52 Uh the there are To me there are two options possible is either you we can take one of the one person rooms for the admin, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1563.6 1570.42 That could be the one uh close to the uh close to the here in the centre so uh the Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1545.44 1551.84 Sharing either with a colleague or sharing uh with some of their uh one of their P. H. D. students. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1553.34 1559.21 Then we could very very simply uh allocate the one pers one of the one person rooms for the admin. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1559.21 1561.05 And that would solve the problem. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1529.75 1531.2 No that's not sure that's not sure. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1539.54 1539.97 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1545.15 1545.61 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1563.92 1564.42 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1569.33 1570.97 Uh, the the middle one here? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1570.97 1571.27 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1570.9 1574.66 But tha No no no, the other one, the the one op Yeah, here, this one. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1574.66 1580.42 But then uh that the the question of what do we do with the second position there remains fully open. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1573.43 1574.01 This one. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1574.01 1574.32 Okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1580.62 1581.71 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1581.71 1582.32 Well IB4003 H03 MIO039 1581.56 1586.44 So I would be I would be more of the opinion to to see whether it's it's so evident that, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1594.54 1595.47 If they really IB4003 H03 MIO039 1586.44 1594.54 let's say the at least the two full full-time professors that are here on the list, we have one here, but uh Maggie is is not present. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1592.64 1592.9 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1594.23 1594.72 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1595.28 1596.43 And Pierrette too. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1597.56 1606.33 If if if because of personal preferences they would be happy with a two person room, which might or might not be the case. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1606.33 1610.53 I mean it's it's certainly not uh something that we should impose, but we can ask. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1596.92 1597.56 Yeah, and Pierrette. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1597.24 1597.68 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1597.68 1598.16 Yeah, well IB4003 H00 MIO036 1604.73 1605.03 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1607.24 1607.48 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1610.76 1612.32 Yeah, because in this case, yeah, IB4003 H00 MIO036 1609.38 1610.76 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1612.32 1618.87 Gisella could take one of the the two person rooms and the other place would be for some kind of visitor, that IB4003 H03 MIO039 1618 1619.41 Yeah, but that's not realistic either. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1619.41 1625.2 I mean, you have you have a fore foreign researcher coming visiting you and you will put put him in the admin office? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1620.83 1622.08 I or IB4003 H00 MIO036 1625.8 1627.25 Okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1625.17 1625.8 Ah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1627.25 1628.43 Uh. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1627.3 1628.48 Uh you'll not do that. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1628.48 1631.86 I mean uh, maybe you can do that with an exchange student, that's IB4003 H02 FIE037 1632.13 1633.9 Yeah, with with younger people, yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1634.31 1634.83 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1632.21 1634.31 Yeah, or an intern. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1634.28 1639.06 But you can't take a senior visitor and uh him in the in the secretary. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1636.73 1636.94 No. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1638.32 1644.21 So we we invite invite and then we say, okay you can sit with Gisella. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1640.66 1645.76 Uh you're here. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1643.82 1644.25 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1652.92 1660.13 Um, actually, yeah, maybe we should remind that quite a lot of professors at the at the school actually share their office with their assistant. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1660.13 1663.43 So b it looks like sort of an implicit tradition. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1645.71 1650.08 Okay so this sets a bit the stage for uh for Gisella then. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1644.25 1645.71 Okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1650.08 1652.92 Uh yeah we'll try to to find out. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1663.43 1665.78 Maybe not to be followed. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1662.95 1663.31 Um IB4003 H03 MIO039 1663.7 1664.7 As Susan said, p IB4003 H02 FIE037 1664.08 1666.56 Except for in every other faculty. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1667.14 1668.24 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1668.5 1668.87 Is that so? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1667.39 1668.5 Yeah? IB4003 H02 FIE037 1670.1 1679.04 Every other faculty as far as I have seen their offices and the people that I know and that's in um in law, IB4003 H02 FIE037 1668.81 1670.1 Yes, it is so. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1669.93 1670.06 Oh. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1674.96 1675.31 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1679.68 1679.84 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1685.69 1689.46 I mean in in the in the law faculty they're at best there half time. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1680.24 1682.99 uh socio-economics, uh okay? IB4003 H02 FIE037 1682.99 1685.69 It's a They all have their own office. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1681.76 1682.13 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1686.48 1687.06 No no, that's it. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1689.74 1693.23 As we said, it's it's really a matter of personal preference, it cannot be something else. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1693.23 1694.66 It cannot be imposed for sure. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1694.66 1695.02 It's uh IB4003 H00 MIO036 1690.33 1690.93 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1693.35 1693.53 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1701.98 1707.85 Uh could we try So could you try please to uh Do you want an extra uh piece of paper? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1696.39 1701.98 Um, okay so I think Well, this sets a bit uh the stage. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1707.85 1713.56 Maybe try to, well, think on your own and then talk a little bit just to the people around you. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1708.34 1708.88 job. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1720.17 1727.72 I can tell you according to what I know now where I would like or would be ready to be, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1713.8 1720.17 Again uh uh um, Andre, I think that the only realistic way we can do is to speak for our for ourselves. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1727.72 1735.84 but I really don't see how I could decide for uh Maggie or Pierrette or whoever else on the list, that they should be there. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1720.95 1721.39 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1734.26 1739.56 No the point was to try to, well, just talk to them, to David, or IB4003 H00 MIO036 1733.01 1734.26 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1734.58 1735.45 We're gonna have to. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1747.73 1755.26 And then you will have this multi-constraint problem and uh you work during two hours and you come up with the optimal solution. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1737.33 1741.65 Yeah, b why why couldn't we do like couldn't we do it like for for the the set-up of meetings. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1741.65 1747.73 You you everyone received that and uh should provide Yeah, I would like to be here. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1745.86 1746.99 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1759.44 1760.64 Because Uh-huh. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1752.37 1753.36 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1753.36 1759.44 So w w w will you ask people just for their place or also for the other people's place? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1758.92 1761.32 I mean that's that's that's the important thing you want to know. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1756.39 1758.92 Yeah, I would I would ask for their place. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1761.78 1762.72 Well, but that's IB4003 H01 MIO094 1763.76 1769.5 I mean, we are going to purchase a cafeteria with a projector and all this altogether or Reading room, yeah. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1761.78 1763.76 W what abou what about the the the cafeteria? IB4003 H01 MIO094 1769.5 1770.21 It's altogether. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1767.37 1768.09 Uh it's a reading room. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1769.61 1771.18 Reading room, it's not a cafeteria. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1771.81 1773.1 So in the living room IB4003 H03 MIO039 1782.43 1784.79 Uh there has been a very long discussion about that. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1784.79 1789.54 I stinct uh this discussion is still vivid, that some of the people, I bel belong to these people, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1795.88 1805.64 Or, as uh Susan said, a room an emergency room where you can put uh some visitors in a decent environment for for for for work IB4003 H03 MIO039 1779.32 1782.43 uh reading the newspapers, et cetera, et cetera. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1772.31 1779.32 But that that's an open question whether it's a it's a it's a it At the origin it was supposed to be a f pure reading room for relaxing, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1789.54 1795.88 would like to have a mixed room where you can have a reading room for sure, but also meeting room if necessary. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1805.64 1807.44 because you don't have any other place to do it. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1807.44 1814.38 But that's that's really an open discussion and that d I think no decision, no final decision has been taken about that. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1781.84 1782.1 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1804.13 1804.51 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1810.53 1810.78 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1812.6 1819.24 Okay, th then Okay then for the next time, um try to come up either with your own preferences IB4003 H00 MIO036 1822.8 1828.21 or if you can poll a little bit the people around you, that would be I mean, even IB4003 H00 MIO036 1819.24 1822.8 that's quite easy probably to state now that you know the constraints, IB4003 H03 MIO039 1819.26 1819.52 Yes. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1822.7 1823.16 Yes. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1826.86 1830.1 The one that I don't want to have in the next room? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1841.01 1844.94 If you can do slides, it's even better, but uh don't be that formal. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1836.69 1841.01 And I think, yeah, it will be nice to to come with maybe a sketch of of these. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1830.12 1836.69 Well, just discuss i Yeah, for instance, I mean No, no, I was thinking just ask people around you what they think about this. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1844.94 1854.25 And uh we'll try to at least build up one coherent proposal, and we'll merge it with the other one when the other one uh is available. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1834.6 1834.89 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1853.84 1854.13 Okay. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1854.52 1860.73 Okay, I'll ask um uh Maggie and Pierrette uh if they have uh any preferences. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1858.2 1858.9 Oh, great. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1855.3 1858.2 Um. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1858.72 1859.75 That would be great. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1857.68 1858.72 That would be great. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1860.14 1861 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1861 1861.54 Perfect. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1861.08 1867.85 C that that of course is one of the main well not main but one of the important features that we need to know about. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1862.53 1862.72 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1864.56 1864.81 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1865.77 1865.95 No. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1867.26 1872.29 Yeah, since they're not at the meeting I think it's in out of courtesy we should first ask them. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1868.86 1869.26 Yes. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1870.18 1871.44 And I'll try to IB4003 H03 MIO039 1871.24 1871.72 Yes. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1871.75 1876.08 Bu I ju just before finishing uh, I mean, we have a cafeteria or we don't eat at all? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1872.51 1872.73 Fine. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1876.59 1877.99 We don't have cafeteria. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1877.03 1879.32 What do you mean by cafeteria exactly? IB4003 H02 FIE037 1878.16 1879.06 He means reading room. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1878.9 1882.03 A place n what mm uh we can take a coffee also. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1880.81 1881.12 What IB4003 H03 MIO039 1882.69 1884.33 No, there is no coffee in the reading room. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1884.58 1884.71 No? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1885.03 1888.33 Yeah, w we can bring your coffee in the reading room, but IB4003 H03 MIO039 1885.21 1890.24 That was the wrong We we did not have any money for buying the coffee machines, so IB4003 H00 MIO036 1904.92 1906.19 So uh yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1902.31 1904.92 No uh automatic uh coffee machines. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1894.66 1900.55 there are at least two um coffee machines in the building, one at the third floor, one at the first floor. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1889.67 1894.66 So so since maybe, you're a part-time here, and part-ti part-time at E. P. F. L. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1900.55 1902.31 And we can bring our coffee. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1906.19 1907.74 But, in IB4003 H01 MIO094 1900.36 1902.44 But they close at five or? IB4003 H01 MIO094 1902.44 1903.45 Ah okay. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1903.18 1903.37 No. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1903.37 1904.06 Coffee machines. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1904.32 1904.96 Okay, okay. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1906.02 1910.15 No, there's the cafeteria is downstairs, but they close at five. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1908.05 1909.04 Yeah, yeah, this. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1908.79 1908.9 Uh-huh. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1910.04 1910.52 Five. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1910.18 1912.76 Ah that's the main problem. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1911.35 1919.33 Yeah, but there's the two machines, and they're uh the vending machines where you just put the money and and you can get Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1919.33 1919.63 Yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1911.88 1912.17 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1930.12 1931.75 Maybe at eleven o'clock? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1919.68 1922.05 Yeah, maybe this is not a very bad timing. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1926.8 1930.12 Um, next Tuesday maybe at t maybe a bit later? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1917.21 1918.38 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1922.05 1926.8 Could we try to meet uh next Tuesday? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1915.76 1917.21 Yeah, vending machines. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1918.38 1919.68 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1917.19 1919.31 And you can bring your coffee in the reading room. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1917.29 1917.57 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1922.52 1924.32 T to try the coffee? IB4003 H02 FIE037 1926.65 1926.81 Wait. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1931.83 1932.6 Next Tuesday. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1930.96 1931.83 Wait, wai wai wai wait. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1931.7 1932.34 Wait, wait. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1932.34 1933.61 Tuesday um IB4003 H00 MIO036 1934.6 1936.11 Come on, try try to be nice. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1936.44 1939.31 Uh, well well well well, not so easy, eh? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1938.5 1940.52 Gi give me a reasonable date. IB4003 H01 MIO094 1938.89 1942.58 Yes, I ha I have no constraints, so it's fine. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1940.42 1940.52 Ch IB4003 H02 FIE037 1940.64 1947.35 Um we have the don't forget we have the other meeting the M. D. M. meeting in the morning, so it would have to be in the afternoon. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1942.61 1944.34 Yeah, for me it's a good timing. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1947.72 1948.95 Uh-huh, okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1948.32 1950.16 Next Tuesday we have a meeting, yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1952.31 1953.52 It's Unimail? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1950.16 1952.31 That might be Where is the meeting? IB4003 H02 FIE037 1949.36 1949.84 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1949.84 1950.32 Exactly. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1953.89 1953.98 Yeah. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1954.99 1957.63 Okay, so, yeah yeah, then it could be that IB4003 H02 FIE037 1956.76 1959.66 At nine thirty, but we could do we could have this meeting then in the afternoon. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1959.66 1960.29 Nah? IB4003 H03 MIO039 1959.1 1964.61 That that would be great, because that would allow us not to move, or not to travel twice. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1958.04 1959.1 That yeah. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1959.65 1960.26 Okay. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1961.36 1961.6 Mm-hmm. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1971.43 1975.4 Um, then let me close this. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1963.23 1964.11 Very well. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1965.28 1966.2 Would that be okay? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1966.2 1967.26 After lunch. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1964.11 1965.28 So about two o'clock? IB4003 H00 MIO036 1967.26 1971.43 It's not a very demanding meeting, so um Perfect. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1963.91 1965.44 Yep. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1966.68 1967.44 Yeah. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1967.44 1967.66 Okay. IB4003 H02 FIE037 1965.44 1966.68 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1968.69 1969.22 Yep. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1969.22 1969.41 Okay. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1968.01 1968.69 Right. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1966.38 1968.01 Yeah, after lunch. IB4003 H00 MIO036 1977.07 1982.11 And uh good luck for your arrangement games. IB4003 H03 MIO039 1981.59 1981.83 Thank you. IB4004 H00 MIO036 0.07 5.09 Hey look, these are microphones they uh they're for women's shirts. IB4004 H02 FIE037 8.11 9.32 No no it's the opposite. IB4004 H00 MIO036 9.88 13.58 Um okay, so um let's start. IB4004 H00 MIO036 30.18 38.29 Uh I hope you had fun in uh, well, designing something or uh asking the people about their preferences and uh things like this. IB4004 H00 MIO036 68.29 75.59 working places to to put um may I first uh provide the answers to the the questions from the last time? IB4004 H00 MIO036 42.05 48.55 Um so um well, I think you remember all the constraints and the new settings, IB4004 H00 MIO036 63.36 68.29 And we had about fifteen people and some uh spare uh spare mm well IB4004 H00 MIO036 58.21 63.36 Um and so that makes, I think, eighteen places. IB4004 H00 MIO036 53.7 58.21 So we have these one person, two person and three person rooms. IB4004 H00 MIO036 18.97 30.18 I hope it won't be too long and especially that we'll make some progress on uh this uh on this small task that is putting people in our new rooms. IB4004 H00 MIO036 15.93 18.97 Um thanks for coming again to this meeting. IB4004 H00 MIO036 38.29 42.05 So yeah, that's what I was talking about, it's for women's shirts. IB4004 H00 MIO036 48.55 53.7 I think, you'll be more and more used to it as as soon as we move. IB4004 H02 FIE037 75.63 78.31 And I also checked with uh Maggie and Pierrette. IB4004 H00 MIO036 94.67 101.13 we have to do with this setting and uh it's it's quite difficult to make new doors and new walls IB4004 H00 MIO036 79.67 84.59 So that will be part of the your uh your solution or suggestions to solution. IB4004 H00 MIO036 101.13 106.27 so I think we shouldn't count on them in the next uh four years maybe. IB4004 H00 MIO036 84.59 94.67 But regarding the constraints um there is no immediate plan to to make separations between the rooms so that means basically well IB4004 H00 MIO036 115.1 120.18 which we could understand, because it's sort of full over there, but uh at least that's what they said. IB4004 H00 MIO036 106.27 115.1 And they don't want us to sh I mean they don't want to provide an extra working space for Gisella with the other I. T. admins, IB4004 H00 MIO036 78.48 79.67 Oh, great, yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 107.6 108.15 Great. IB4004 H02 FIE037 119.67 122.19 Come now, it's not full over there. IB4004 H00 MIO036 155.16 157.04 It should be possible to put four persons. IB4004 H00 MIO036 152.88 155.16 So uh the one uh here. IB4004 H00 MIO036 129.12 133.09 Though it wouldn't be a bad thing maybe, but uh we'll see. IB4004 H00 MIO036 121.77 129.12 So it seems we uh yeah the well, we cannot change the habits of the whole school just for us. IB4004 H00 MIO036 133.09 139.55 So regarding the possibility to put four people in one of the two uh three person rooms, IB4004 H00 MIO036 146.8 152.88 It it looks like it's not impossible, at least on the one that is a bit uh longer, on on the right. IB4004 H00 MIO036 157.04 161.83 If we could avoid it, it would much simplify things, but uh, well, we'll see. IB4004 H00 MIO036 139.55 146.8 um well, it's not very easy, we'll have to play uh quite uh quite wisely with the furnishing. IB4004 H03 MIO039 160.76 166.18 The the question is is it is it against the regulation security regulation of the school. IB4004 H03 MIO039 166.18 167.41 That's that's the important point. IB4004 H00 MIO036 166.25 166.85 No no no. IB4004 H00 MIO036 165.38 166.25 No. IB4004 H02 FIE037 165.87 167.02 No uh no. IB4004 H02 FIE037 167.02 169.8 And and I and I went over and I looked at that room, too. IB4004 H02 FIE037 169.8 171.45 There's plenty of space for four people. IB4004 H03 MIO039 171.75 171.97 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 179.84 188.19 so maybe we could count on on four places, but the final decision is not really ours, so uh we'll see actually this IB4004 H00 MIO036 172.31 173.32 Yeah, I think, yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 173.32 179.84 It it's more a matter of how to arrange the furniture, but uh since we are experts at this task uh okay, IB4004 H02 FIE037 176.57 176.8 Yeah. IB4004 H01 MIO094 186.87 189.53 That would be fine if one of the person is fifty per cent. IB4004 H01 MIO094 189.53 190.46 So me, for example. IB4004 H00 MIO036 209.1 210.15 It's uh IB4004 H00 MIO036 206.38 209.1 Would you like me to start or would you like me to end? IB4004 H00 MIO036 191.01 196.58 Or one of the intern positions, the people who might come or something like that. IB4004 H00 MIO036 190.43 191.01 Exactly. IB4004 H00 MIO036 200.93 206.38 So actually I I did my uh my proposal as a slide. IB4004 H00 MIO036 196.58 200.93 Um okay so these were the um the answers. IB4004 H02 FIE037 191.98 193.16 Ah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 194.63 195.21 Exactly. IB4004 H02 FIE037 195.21 195.39 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 206.95 207.73 Mm. IB4004 H02 FIE037 207.73 217.16 Well just t just to uh uh complete uh, I talked both with Maggie and Pierrette and both of them are happy to share offices. IB4004 H02 FIE037 217.16 218.38 They have no problem whatsoever. IB4004 H01 MIO094 208.15 208.56 Please. IB4004 H00 MIO036 214 214.71 Oh, great. IB4004 H02 FIE037 226.4 231.5 uh and and Maggie, for example, to share with uh it could be with Bruno, IB4004 H02 FIE037 219.19 226.4 Uh they're they're easy, but uh could be uh as Pierrette has right now, that she cou she is happy to continue to share with uh Marianne, IB4004 H02 FIE037 231.5 235.08 because they work on the SwissTra together and they like to gossip together, so. IB4004 H03 MIO039 226.68 226.9 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 231.85 232.96 Okay, okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 237.07 243.58 Okay, then let me um explain very briefly the the rationale for for this. IB4004 H00 MIO036 235.43 237.07 Beautiful. IB4004 H00 MIO036 243.58 246.78 So it's the same uh schema that you know. IB4004 H00 MIO036 253.09 253.97 Um hello. IB4004 H00 MIO036 246.78 253.09 In red you have the uh uh oh, excuse me, that's quite uh annoying, excuse me. IB4004 H03 MIO039 235.82 236.54 That looks good. IB4004 H03 MIO039 235.45 235.82 Yes. IB4004 H00 MIO036 260.73 262.82 I'm just in the middle of a meeting and I'm talking. IB4004 H00 MIO036 256.57 260.73 Oh, yeah, um, can I can I call you a bit later in about half an hour. IB4004 H03 MIO039 259.6 262.85 People sh yeah that's IB4004 H02 FIE037 259.68 262.2 People who don't turn off their phone in a meeting. IB4004 H02 FIE037 262.2 264.02 It's fantastic. IB4004 H00 MIO036 280.33 282.57 Um so the names are in red. IB4004 H00 MIO036 264.32 265.73 Oh okay, thank you. IB4004 H00 MIO036 274.86 280.33 Okay, so, let me get back to into the proposal after the brief interruption. IB4004 H00 MIO036 269.79 272.56 Fortunately we were just uh the four of us. IB4004 H00 MIO036 292.57 298.32 because I I think that sometimes they ju they just discuss together and uh it's easier if they are in the same office. IB4004 H00 MIO036 282.57 292.57 Now um well, one of the reasons at least for me for doing this was to more or less group people uh with within projects IB4004 H00 MIO036 272.56 274.86 Um. IB4004 H00 MIO036 267.95 269.79 Um, sorry for this. IB4004 H00 MIO036 265.73 267.95 Bye-bye. IB4004 H03 MIO039 265.77 269.38 Let me check that I I di I didn't. IB4004 H03 MIO039 269.38 269.58 S IB4004 H00 MIO036 298.81 305.64 And um which is quite happy actually, I I also thought that some professors might enjoy, IB4004 H00 MIO036 305.64 310.04 or at least uh don't don't say anything about, being with their assistants. IB4004 H00 MIO036 310.04 319.07 So I was happy to hear Susan uh saying that Maggie and Bruno could well together, and Pierrette and uh Marianne in in the same office. IB4004 H02 FIE037 311.27 311.66 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 352.9 353.39 I don't know. IB4004 H00 MIO036 333.4 335.5 I put the lounge in the middle. IB4004 H00 MIO036 339.49 345.58 So I think that's not a problem, because you're not going to just stay there and stare outside. IB4004 H00 MIO036 335.5 339.49 It's also one of the rooms with the fewer uh the fewest uh windows. IB4004 H00 MIO036 328.81 333.4 well, having her own office, so uh it's it's it's working like this. IB4004 H00 MIO036 345.58 352.9 Uh but it's it's nicer to have a nicer view from your office, I guess. IB4004 H00 MIO036 353.39 358.3 Yeah, maybe, I thought in an angle, but that's obviously not very IB4004 H00 MIO036 320.36 328.81 Um so what I can say is uh that I also understood that Susan would be rather in favour of uh, IB4004 H02 FIE037 330.37 331.33 Yes. IB4004 H03 MIO039 349.32 351.96 Yeah, but putting the printer in the lounge is just killing the lounge. IB4004 H03 MIO039 355.96 360.27 It's not a question where it is, it's a question of you are printing all the time so IB4004 H02 FIE037 356.72 357.65 No yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 359.41 361.54 Yeah, why not put the printer out in the hallway? IB4004 H00 MIO036 360.44 361.66 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 361.66 365.53 Okay and so next to the photocopy maybe it wouldn't be a bad place. IB4004 H00 MIO036 366.62 368.31 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 365.53 366.62 Here? IB4004 H03 MIO039 361.79 362.28 uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 361.79 364 Yeah, that's that's a possible. IB4004 H03 MIO039 364.81 365.96 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 365.96 366.32 Why not? IB4004 H02 FIE037 366.26 369.23 It is there enough space there for a photocopy and printer. IB4004 H00 MIO036 380.59 385.42 So okay, but uh I wouldn't well insist on this I think okay, so the printer, IB4004 H00 MIO036 385.42 389.92 well, we'll remove it if we work from this uh this solution. IB4004 H00 MIO036 394.94 406.03 Um I said more or less um uh upper uh lower left side uh you have SwissTra and, so the two projects from the list. IB4004 H00 MIO036 376.96 380.59 maybe one day we'll have a photocopy that is also a printer. IB4004 H00 MIO036 389.92 394.94 So uh I. M. two is more or less in the upper left side. IB4004 H00 MIO036 406.03 410.3 And then on the on the right side. IB4004 H00 MIO036 370.36 376.96 Yeah, we'll have to check tha yeah, but the printer is quite small if we fi find just a small table for it. IB4004 H02 FIE037 370.76 372.4 The photocopy is a bit big. IB4004 H00 MIO036 431.33 435.16 Uh if you want we can use this document or we could just, say IB4004 H00 MIO036 410.64 413.26 Maybe not a ver a very good solution for Gisella. IB4004 H00 MIO036 413.26 420.93 If you can suggest something uh better, because she's with two people who uh well, two P. H. D. students, IB4004 H00 MIO036 420.93 428.64 and it's true that she has, yeah, a lot of phone calls to make, but um it's some way to to solve some constraints. IB4004 H00 MIO036 435.16 441.55 first listen to your suggestions and see if we erase everything or just do some modifications using this one. IB4004 H00 MIO036 428.64 431.33 I think this is a very open thing. IB4004 H02 FIE037 440.82 442.88 Well, I've a question. IB4004 H02 FIE037 442.88 446.07 What's the justification for giving Nancy her own office? IB4004 H00 MIO036 462.27 469.07 she's a smoker, but the policy is that we don't smoke, so it's even better if she's uh with a second person. IB4004 H00 MIO036 449.86 453.19 Then they maybe you are you have better suggestions. IB4004 H00 MIO036 459.19 462.27 yeah, there is no strong constraint and uh well, IB4004 H00 MIO036 453.19 459.19 Um it was I think sort of one of the uh places they re that remain and I I think, IB4004 H00 MIO036 447.28 449.86 Um yeah, maybe not a very strong one. IB4004 H03 MIO039 464.02 471.88 uh I would have I would have a provocative suggestion to put Gisella to switch Nancy and Gisella. IB4004 H02 FIE037 465.53 466.72 Mm doesn't help, yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 472.92 474.18 Uh-huh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 474.18 474.7 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 474.13 481.3 Put Gisella, the fax, and the printing machine the printer in the one person room as a as a IB4004 H00 MIO036 480.23 480.69 Uh-huh. IB4004 H02 FIE037 484.03 489.7 We tried that and Gisella really didn't like to have a printer and people in and out all the time and uh IB4004 H02 FIE037 480.24 484.03 Well, Gisella will not be very happy about that uh. IB4004 H03 MIO039 487.36 491.07 Okay, so the printer that's that's not the s not the hard constraint but uh IB4004 H00 MIO036 488.85 489.33 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H02 FIE037 490.21 494.03 Uh remember Andrei, that was uh yeah yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 491.85 497.52 Yeah, that was the case and uh she was a bit uh reluctant, but IB4004 H00 MIO036 490.63 491.85 Yeah mm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 494.69 496.48 'Cause I really do think it's important to have IB4004 H03 MIO039 504.31 509.86 where yeah, you can close it, you have the personal files of the of the people of the of the of the unit etcetera, etcetera. IB4004 H03 MIO039 497.46 504.31 an admin room clearly identified as an admin room and only an admin room, where you have files, IB4004 H00 MIO036 498.59 498.99 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 502.31 505.84 Yeah, we could store files there and things like that. IB4004 H00 MIO036 505.84 506.03 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 510.37 514.98 Okay, so if you want I can already do this change here. IB4004 H03 MIO039 512.05 519.39 So for instance I be fully against the fact that my personal files are in f in a in a room that is not specifically dedicated for that. IB4004 H01 MIO094 521.67 525.87 Because the professors uh, you have personal printer or there is only one printer? IB4004 H00 MIO036 521.74 524.04 Sorry you're IB4004 H00 MIO036 528.15 528.79 Um. IB4004 H01 MIO094 528.76 531.65 Because if not the person the printer can go in a room of three people. IB4004 H01 MIO094 532.73 536.38 That's typical of case where there's the lab and there's the printer is there. IB4004 H00 MIO036 535.21 536.59 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 537.42 539.82 printer can be in the in the in the corridor. IB4004 H03 MIO039 539.82 541.9 That's uh that's uh that's perfectly alright. IB4004 H00 MIO036 542.76 550.54 We have a secondary one which we could try to accommodate in another room, but it's basically, yeah, the peop the the printer where everybody prints. IB4004 H00 MIO036 539.24 542.76 Yeah, th yeah th when the printer is, yeah, it's it's the main one. IB4004 H00 MIO036 550.54 553.26 Um so I change this. IB4004 H00 MIO036 554.55 561.25 So maybe I would suggest let me le k can I hear also let us hear from you. IB4004 H00 MIO036 572.01 572.54 Um. IB4004 H00 MIO036 561.25 567.77 And then if we can work out a solu a common solution from this one, then we go back to to this slide. IB4004 H00 MIO036 567.77 572.01 And if not, um we'll just, well start from scratch. IB4004 H03 MIO039 571.71 575.23 I'm perfectly alright to share the room with you has a view on the old town. IB4004 H03 MIO039 575.23 576.33 That's um IB4004 H00 MIO036 578.13 578.69 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 577.1 578.13 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 578.66 586.54 You have to be aware of what I was saying last time was that you have to suffer some suffer from fro from phone calls. IB4004 H00 MIO036 582.2 582.41 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 583.24 584.41 Lot's of phone calls. IB4004 H02 FIE037 584.41 584.54 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 586.9 587.7 Yeah, I'll try. IB4004 H00 MIO036 587.7 590.12 I'll bring my walkman and uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 588.53 592.02 So if you have a walkman that's that's good. IB4004 H02 FIE037 590.68 594.07 Earplugs uh whatever. IB4004 H00 MIO036 593.38 594.76 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 594.76 598.53 Uh David, you had also uh what's IB4004 H01 MIO094 597.41 604.23 Yeah, okay, for me uh, as uh I don't know l uh the people a lot, IB4004 H01 MIO094 625.22 625.66 This one. IB4004 H01 MIO094 612.59 625.22 I would try to share them with the women so uh for example in your slide I could uh switch either you or Martin with uh uh the other room. IB4004 H01 MIO094 604.23 612.59 uh you suggested that uh there's a la a lack of men s so, I would re certainly put uh not two men in the same office. IB4004 H00 MIO036 612.89 613.07 Ah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 633.47 635.96 So so you would put uh IB4004 H00 MIO036 627.58 629.25 Oh let me put the plan, sorry. IB4004 H00 MIO036 629.25 631.83 I will display uh yeah, this is the empty one. IB4004 H00 MIO036 626.75 627.58 Uh-huh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 631.83 633.47 I don't want to influence you. IB4004 H01 MIO094 627.79 628.27 So. IB4004 H01 MIO094 629.36 630.74 Yes please. IB4004 H02 FIE037 635.11 638.92 So, yeah, you have to show us which one you were talking about David, we didn't IB4004 H00 MIO036 638.39 638.61 Yeah. IB4004 H01 MIO094 639.42 642.16 Yeah yeah, I was wanting to change this wa IB4004 H00 MIO036 641.41 641.66 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 641.85 642.78 Ah the centre room. IB4004 H00 MIO036 643.39 645.91 you can you can even stand and just show us there. IB4004 H00 MIO036 642.75 643.39 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H01 MIO094 643.21 643.42 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H01 MIO094 645.58 650.46 Yeah, but I need your uh your slide, because I was talking about your slide. IB4004 H00 MIO036 650.82 652.73 Okay, so we would prefer the names. IB4004 H00 MIO036 652.73 661.17 Okay I I don't want to influence you too much, but uh mm I'm perfectly happy to start with this as the basis and then change things. IB4004 H03 MIO039 661.85 666.08 Yeah, because there are plenty of things that are that are okay so uh IB4004 H01 MIO094 664.2 670.52 Yes, so here you can see that the the the men is I mean, they are always sh sharing the room with a g with a woman. IB4004 H01 MIO094 670.52 676.72 I mean, there's Bruno, me, uh Pierrette and Nikos is a guy also. IB4004 H00 MIO036 665.22 667.03 Yeah, maybe in different, just IB4004 H00 MIO036 678.06 678.74 Oh IB4004 H00 MIO036 676.97 678.06 Uh-huh. IB4004 H03 MIO039 677.21 679.89 Yeah but for Pierrette an and Maggie it's uh it's. IB4004 H03 MIO039 681.06 684.57 It's a wish or it's uh it's because they IB4004 H00 MIO036 685.93 687.87 Yeah, it's the feminine of Pierre. IB4004 H00 MIO036 682.63 685.93 Or actually, Pierrette is a woman too. IB4004 H00 MIO036 682.14 682.63 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H01 MIO094 684.91 686.26 Oh. IB4004 H01 MIO094 686.26 687.41 Sorry for this. IB4004 H01 MIO094 689.32 695.23 So I mean, this is perfectly fine, I will just send Martin and Andrei for Maria or or Yalina or Nancy, maybe. IB4004 H01 MIO094 688.6 689.32 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H01 MIO094 696.65 697.43 So IB4004 H03 MIO039 696.66 698.67 I didn't get your solution. IB4004 H03 MIO039 698.67 699.33 What was it again? IB4004 H01 MIO094 702.24 704.79 So I mea yeah. IB4004 H01 MIO094 699.7 702.24 Yeah, here there are two men. IB4004 H01 MIO094 705.71 710.63 I don't think I mean there's a lack of men here, in in in this in this lab. IB4004 H01 MIO094 710.63 712.93 So I would change one, switch one. IB4004 H01 MIO094 704.79 705.71 I it's nice. IB4004 H03 MIO039 701.5 701.7 So? IB4004 H02 FIE037 702.47 704 Uh he wants to mix sexes. IB4004 H00 MIO036 704.18 704.63 Uh-huh. IB4004 H03 MIO039 704.92 706.32 Ah, okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 705.69 707.04 bad. IB4004 H00 MIO036 714.11 714.47 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 714.23 720.06 But that's not so much a question of uh men or women, it's more the question of, as I said, that's uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 722.13 726.29 Um here you have only P. you have P. H. D. students that are a group. IB4004 H03 MIO039 726.29 730.7 There you have s senior researchers that are a group, which is to me more IB4004 H00 MIO036 728.13 728.54 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 738.62 741.5 I think that's a very efficient way of doing things, because IB4004 H03 MIO039 731.53 738.62 Unless it corresponds to some specific demand like it is in the case in Maggie Maggie's case and Pierrette's case. IB4004 H00 MIO036 733.97 734.22 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 740.69 741.02 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 749.2 753.72 and, Martin, so I'm very happy with you since I proposed it. IB4004 H00 MIO036 760.01 769.34 Okay, so let's keep in mind, maybe, this uh constraint of balancing the the genders uh we'll see if we can uh do something for it. IB4004 H00 MIO036 753.72 758.49 But I could also be happy with most of the other people, so even in a three person room. IB4004 H00 MIO036 742.34 749.2 Yeah, and for me it's also uh I would prefer maybe not to be in a three person office, just to be a bit calmer, IB4004 H00 MIO036 758.49 760.01 It's it's fine. IB4004 H03 MIO039 746.79 751.96 Yeah, mm I'm perfectly happy with with Andrei so. IB4004 H03 MIO039 756.82 758.09 Sure but um IB4004 H02 FIE037 770.51 773.21 Andrei did you ask these people if this was okay with them? IB4004 H00 MIO036 783.89 791.45 And it's also people that I know um get on well quite quite well together, and also work on the same project, like for instance, IB4004 H00 MIO036 779.23 783.89 I mean the the present arrangement, just not to to shock people too much. IB4004 H00 MIO036 791.45 798.38 Marianne, uh uh the Finnish Marianne, and uh Nikos who interact quite a lot on uh on. IB4004 H00 MIO036 773.65 779.23 Uh I've asked some of them, and I've also used a little bit uh what I've well, IB4004 H00 MIO036 798.38 806.09 Um, yeah, Maria and Yalina seem uh to go on one quite quite well. IB4004 H00 MIO036 815.11 822.82 Um yeah, so I think, well, at least as far as I I asked there was no major objection. IB4004 H00 MIO036 807.21 815.11 Uh Nancy had no strong preference, specially since she's no longer allowed to smoke in in her office. IB4004 H03 MIO039 822.2 826.81 But isn't there just a a a question of proximity you put David with Agnes? IB4004 H03 MIO039 828.23 830.72 Um but isn't Agnes working IB4004 H03 MIO039 833.04 840.08 um in a in a more substantial way in uh with people like uh either Maria or Yalina? IB4004 H00 MIO036 842.34 843.87 Um. IB4004 H00 MIO036 847.94 854.4 I um so we could put Nancy with David and uh put Agnes yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 846.77 847.94 That's true. IB4004 H00 MIO036 844.98 846.77 Yeah, that's true. IB4004 H02 FIE037 845.38 845.78 Yes. IB4004 H03 MIO039 850.75 851.64 'Cause IB4004 H02 FIE037 853.28 855.53 Yeah, but Agnes is also working with David, so IB4004 H01 MIO094 855.62 861.43 but we agree that it's not important to to share the room with someone that has the same project. IB4004 H03 MIO039 855.86 857.05 Yeah, yeah, I I know. IB4004 H00 MIO036 859.92 860.3 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 861.65 865.48 the other constraints are are satisfied somehow so IB4004 H03 MIO039 860.25 861.65 No, that's true that's true. IB4004 H00 MIO036 866.27 866.8 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H01 MIO094 867.23 872.56 quite happy to have the the full room some fifty per cent of the time. IB4004 H00 MIO036 874.12 879.99 Yeah, that's a small advantage and uh I it's a bit more uh more comfortable, actually. IB4004 H00 MIO036 879.99 880.36 Um. IB4004 H03 MIO039 897.42 897.65 Correct? IB4004 H03 MIO039 880.03 885.53 No but what I mean it was was the three the two three person rooms, I think that they can mix them the way they want. IB4004 H03 MIO039 885.53 891.93 I mean if they prefer to be uh Maria tha uh Yalina and Nikos, and Nancy and Marianne on the other side well, IB4004 H03 MIO039 891.93 897.42 no that's not completely equivalent, because Nancy all are P. H. D. students or masters students, but Nancy. IB4004 H02 FIE037 880.1 880.89 Yeah, but there's IB4004 H00 MIO036 897.98 898.63 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H02 FIE037 900.73 903.76 Yeah, but that doesn't mat that's not important. IB4004 H03 MIO039 902.92 903.26 Oh. IB4004 H02 FIE037 912.14 916.41 that wouldn't it maybe be better to put David in, since he's only half-time. IB4004 H02 FIE037 916.41 917.85 So that way, then IB4004 H02 FIE037 904.45 912.14 There w one question I was wondering about though, 'cause three is always uh well the more people in a office uh the less ideal, IB4004 H00 MIO036 904.66 905.78 Yeah, maybe. IB4004 H03 MIO039 910.71 911.09 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 911.85 912.61 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 916.28 916.56 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 917.7 918.63 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 918.63 919.3 Very good. IB4004 H00 MIO036 919.3 919.88 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 918.59 918.72 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 918.61 920.46 there's not three people all the time. IB4004 H03 MIO039 919.76 920.77 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 920.77 922.68 So I would switch David and Nancy typically. IB4004 H00 MIO036 923.26 924.49 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 924.49 925.44 Yeah, probably IB4004 H03 MIO039 927.04 928.36 He could be in the other one. IB4004 H03 MIO039 935.79 940.58 But I definitely would put uh Nancy with Agnes in the two person room. IB4004 H03 MIO039 924.76 927.04 Which doesn't mean that David should be in this room. IB4004 H03 MIO039 928.36 935.79 For me uh the two three people rooms are really they have to be uh re-shuffled according to people personal preferences. IB4004 H00 MIO036 928.45 928.91 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 932.83 933.1 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 934.48 934.8 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 935.61 938.01 So Agnes has worked IB4004 H00 MIO036 946.01 951.58 Um at yeah, I mean IB4004 H00 MIO036 941.34 946.01 They they have worked together on, so this makes some sense. IB4004 H00 MIO036 940.67 941.34 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 944.29 945.09 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 949.38 952.59 I mean you you can't be in a room with person you don't want to be with. IB4004 H03 MIO039 947.43 949.38 But again, it's also a question of personal preference. IB4004 H00 MIO036 952.76 958.15 Yeah, as far as I know I think it's probably quite a good uh uh good match. IB4004 H01 MIO094 957.36 961.87 Is there anyone that is going to finish P. H. D. or or leave or IB4004 H02 FIE037 961.14 963.33 Uh no. IB4004 H02 FIE037 963.33 967.7 Uh Maria is Maria is the closest, but she's still not uh uh yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 963.98 968.19 First one should be Maria, but it's still uh one and a half. IB4004 H00 MIO036 968.19 971.2 Okay, let's switch uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 975.56 981.51 because David will be part time and the other one not so overloaded, because there is uh one free position uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 981.51 985.53 knowing that this one free position uh will not stay free very long. IB4004 H03 MIO039 968.68 969.92 I see if you do it this way, IB4004 H03 MIO039 969.92 975.56 you mean that in the two three people room there will be one that is not so overloaded, because of David, IB4004 H00 MIO036 975.05 976.68 Mm-hmm, yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 985.8 989.61 No, because don't forget we already have somebody coming in uh January. IB4004 H03 MIO039 989.73 990.73 Yes so IB4004 H00 MIO036 990.8 991.71 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H02 FIE037 992.2 993.17 At least one person. IB4004 H00 MIO036 993.12 995.14 I'll just uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 993.73 1000.71 And this is still a worry for me, because we are still we don't still still don't have enough space for the visitors. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1002.72 1004.24 Unless we put them in the lounge. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1003.06 1007.9 Mm yeah, I I don't think IB4004 H00 MIO036 1002.8 1003.06 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1006.05 1008.56 Or we make four space in the three people rooom. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1004.95 1006.05 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1005.71 1006.51 Therefore I w IB4004 H03 MIO039 1008.78 1008.96 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1008.13 1008.78 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1010.85 1018.53 Yeah, so s s okay so since we are supposed to do a final proposal. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1018.53 1024.06 Sorry, uh let me move the printer um next to the photocopier. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1011.35 1016.34 We need to have at least three visitors' position, because positions, because IB4004 H03 MIO039 1021.38 1022.02 Outside. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1024.38 1024.63 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1024.4 1024.52 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1025.28 1026.33 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1026.33 1032.48 And we'll find some way to um, well, attach it to a wall or something like this. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1032.46 1034.27 So that we keep it, you mean. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1043.56 1046.56 Uh I don't think we can put visitors in the lounge, it's uh IB4004 H00 MIO036 1038.06 1043.56 Um okay, so that's the uh mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1035.19 1038.06 Yeah, I think so, yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1046.27 1048.71 It depends it depends on how we think about the lounge. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1055.56 1063.99 Do we do we put priority on the fact of being able to read newspapers in our in our offices or in our uh work place? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1048.71 1050.9 If it's thought as being a reading room. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1063.99 1065.5 We can read newspapers elsewhere. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1051.45 1055.56 If it's thought as the que that that's really a very important question to me. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1050.9 1051.45 No. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1051.78 1052.18 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1049.83 1051.78 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1066.01 1066.39 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1077.53 1080.43 know we can go to the cafeteria or you can sit somewhere else. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1075.72 1077.53 Newspapers you can read them home. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1080.43 1082.78 You can go on the balcony if it's if it's in the summer. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1082.78 1091.28 So I I don't understand why we why we should put priority on lounges if we if we don't have enough space for accommodating visitors. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1066.66 1075.72 And I really do think it's more important for lab to be able to decently uh welcome visitors that come to the lab than to have a place for reading newspapers. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1091.28 1094.17 That's just not not according to my priorities. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1080.09 1080.36 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1084.16 1085.03 It's IB4004 H00 MIO036 1090.99 1091.53 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1092.97 1093.25 How IB4004 H00 MIO036 1108.64 1112.34 Susan, you are very happy with this solution, so okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1103.41 1108.64 W I I know they are actually quite uh quite demanded, so um I th I think, IB4004 H00 MIO036 1112.34 1113.02 In Gisell IB4004 H00 MIO036 1098.73 1103.41 Like in, well, in in one of the one person offices? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1094.35 1098.73 how would it be to put the lounge in one of the smaller offices? IB4004 H02 FIE037 1110.13 1113.55 Yes, yes. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1110.47 1117.85 S so let's let's put the lounge in Susan's office, and Susan's in Susan in the lounge with three visitors mm? IB4004 H02 FIE037 1114.42 1119.16 That's an excellent idea. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1116.98 1120.21 No, but a lounge in a one person room is really too small. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1119.83 1121.35 Yeah, it's probably too small. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1121.35 1123.11 Okay, yeah, doesn't work. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1123.11 1124.34 Mm. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1120.51 1122.42 It's too small for a uh yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1144.11 1146.76 That's just not that's just not realistic. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1123.17 1125.04 I would advocate to just remove the lounge. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1128.99 1135.42 It's let's be you you cannot you cannot go at the at the at the at the in front of your colleagues and saying IB4004 H03 MIO039 1142.63 1144.11 I prefer to read my newspaper. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1125.04 1126.91 We it's a luxury for us. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1135.42 1142.63 I p if I have to choose between uh reading my newspaper and disc and having a a decently welcomed uh v uh research visitor IB4004 H03 MIO039 1146.76 1147.79 I mean, we are researchers. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1126.91 1128.99 We don't have space for a lounge. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1126.94 1127.36 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1130.1 1132.41 Okay, let's be innovative. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1132.41 1132.77 Um. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1146.82 1155.76 But the problem is it it has been decided by everyone and approved by the school that we we need the lounge, so I I think it's simply not IB4004 H00 MIO036 1145.19 1146.82 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1155.88 1157.56 No no, I don't think we can choose. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1157.95 1163.6 No actually, uh I I'm sorry, it's uh yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1163.6 1164.29 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1158.99 1159.64 But then? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1177.94 1182.93 And at least we have some uh free margin for the next two years, or the next year. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1163.8 1177.94 split it in two parts as as Susan was was uh proposing last time was a ha was a wall and you have a lounge there can read your newspapers and we have a full two room two person room where we can certainly accommodate three visitors. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1160.92 1163.8 Then you have the three people room, that positions IB4004 H00 MIO036 1181.08 1182.18 Oh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1182.18 1185.52 Okay so so how do we split the room? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1186.53 1188.38 The the three people over there. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1186.59 1194.77 We put it the the furniture that we got for our reading room, we put it into the other half of the three person room. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1190.69 1191.15 Uh-huh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1189.27 1190.69 This one. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1195.49 1199.8 And put uh uh mm IB4004 H03 MIO039 1194.97 1195.49 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1195.52 1196.97 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1196.97 1197.8 So IB4004 H02 FIE037 1195.72 1196.72 Would that fit? IB4004 H02 FIE037 1197.88 1199.32 A little divider of some kind. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1198.51 1199.1 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1199.1 1202.4 But what about if people want to have a small discussion in the lounge? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1202.06 1205.59 They are not supposed to have a discussion in the lounge, they are supposed to read their newspapers. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1206.66 1207.58 And to drink their coffee. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1206.84 1210.48 Well, not the newspapers, because no scientific articles. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1207.22 1208.91 Well not just newspapers. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1210.59 1212.01 Uh scientific articles. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1213.83 1217.09 The the goal of the lounge was was a place where you can relax. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1212.01 1213.83 No that's not that wasn't the goal. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1212.64 1213.13 Journals. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1217.66 1218.92 Uh-huh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1218.92 1219.61 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1218.69 1220.34 But also to read articles. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1220.32 1221.86 you can do it in your office. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1223.07 1227.58 So you would like to put it, yeah, within yeah, and then who who yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1225.65 1233.15 it's it's it's you have a good chairs to read newspapers that you don't want to break you heart your your your your back your office. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1247.63 1248.96 That looks very bad. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1244.17 1247.63 But that means the office will be at least for the moment empty. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1243.83 1244.17 Three. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1233.45 1239.54 Yeah okay, but then that means that we'll put the lounge on the right side, uh here. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1239.54 1243.83 And uh here we'll put two places for visitors. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1232.88 1233.45 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1237.99 1238.22 Yes. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1238.29 1238.68 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1239.41 1239.57 Yes. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1243.22 1243.45 Three. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1247.72 1250.45 No, we have our visitor that is arriving. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1250.45 1252 Uh what did you say, Susan? IB4004 H02 FIE037 1251.41 1252.28 It's not a visitor. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1252.28 1255.77 It's a a new p p full-time person arriving in January. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1253.02 1255.43 uh okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1259.85 1260.95 Uh I mean IB4004 H00 MIO036 1255.96 1259.85 Okay, so that could take the the free place over there. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1260.13 1261.96 No, that's where we're gonna put the lounge. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1262.82 1267.11 That could take one one positions in the in the lo in the IB4004 H03 MIO039 1260.2 1262.82 No no. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1262.93 1263.23 No. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1265.49 1268.47 Let's put m Maria or Yalina in the in the in this place. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1269.44 1279.05 Yeah, I think okay, so we need what, two, three positions and one new person arriving, X. or something like that. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1280.81 1283.72 if if if if you forget about the lounge. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1289.41 1294.16 That means that we have one person there with one free position. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1279.27 1280.81 Ah okay, that that's an idea. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1283.72 1289.41 What you could do is to move either Mari Maria or Yalina in the in the mm what is currently the lounge. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1279.43 1280.06 Well for IB4004 H00 MIO036 1281.17 1281.83 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1283.21 1283.61 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1288.77 1289.23 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1302.38 1306.85 So we have three position distributed over the rooms where we can accommodate IB4004 H03 MIO039 1295.4 1302.38 We have one free position in the in the room that Maria or Yalina is coming from and one free position over there. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1302.13 1302.51 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1306.14 1307.41 And and where is the lounge? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1307.77 1308.26 No lounge. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1308 1308.53 No lounge. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1308.48 1310.36 No no no no, we we have to IB4004 H00 MIO036 1313.26 1313.98 So uh IB4004 H00 MIO036 1310.28 1313.26 I'll I'll have my head cut off if we don't have a lounge. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1308.72 1310.28 No okay, no way. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1310.92 1311.28 Louge. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1312.89 1316.04 You take the furniture of the lounge and you put it in the corridor. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1313.13 1314.19 Yeah yeah yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1316.38 1319.73 No, there's no space. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1319.73 1321.29 The lounge is in the free space. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1316.82 1320.72 No no no no, let's do the lounge corner. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1322.05 1322.6 At least. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1320.72 1322.05 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1322.6 1329.29 I mean otherwise I cannot really defend it, because it it was agreed and we cannot just come back on every every decision we made. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1328.1 1332.64 After all that we went through to get the budget for it, we really have to uh IB4004 H00 MIO036 1331.06 1332.34 Yeah, I think so, yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1331.42 1339.81 you you will explain to your visitors that unfortunately they have a position in the toilet, because there is a reading room where people have to relax. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1333.57 1333.98 Okay. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1338.03 1341.91 No, wait a minute, yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1342.37 1345.04 Okay, so what we need is a new and two. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1345.04 1346.44 So IB4004 H00 MIO036 1339.46 1342.37 Well, let's have the visitors first. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1348.32 1352.35 I think we can put, what, Maria or Yalina? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1352.35 1354.54 I don't want to separate them really, but uh IB4004 H00 MIO036 1360.21 1362.67 Um so I was thinking to put here IB4004 H00 MIO036 1355.78 1356.69 Oh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1356.69 1360.21 Mysel, I don't like that office actually. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1363.43 1364.56 It could be Nikos, for instance. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1364.56 1366.41 Could put you can switch. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1372.4 1372.59 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1366.82 1372.4 No, we are not gonna keep Marianne in a three uh person place uh, just having Marianne in the lounge. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1371.04 1372.44 But it's a lounge. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1373.35 1374.93 Yeah, now. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1374.93 1375.98 so it's either IB4004 H00 MIO036 1382.51 1385.69 Uh let's try Maria here. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1385.69 1387.52 Oh, you don't mind? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1377.02 1382.51 Y we could put the visitor with you, Martin, but it's probably okay, let's try le let's try this. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1379.86 1380.93 Yeah but then IB4004 H03 MIO039 1382.39 1384.74 Yeah you could you could put me there. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1384.74 1385.4 I mean, Andrei. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1387.46 1393.48 Because I will be there half time, and the visitors probably will not so much complain about phone calls. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1389.33 1389.82 Perfect. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1392.9 1398.12 But wait a minute, then Andrei has a two person office all for himself. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1396.82 1398.96 No no, we'll put a visitor place in there. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1400.26 1401.43 If you don't mind. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1401.8 1406.03 Well there is this full-time person arriving in I I think it's really important to to plan with that. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1403.99 1404.14 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1405.81 1407.62 Wha what's what's her name again, Andrei? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1407.89 1409.1 Uh I think it's Paola. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1409.27 1409.47 Paola. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1409.85 1410.03 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1410.74 1411.31 Um. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1411 1413.01 would it be possible to have Paola in your office? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1415.22 1416.36 Yeah, could be. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1417.01 1419.34 'Cause that's that's something that we we should be deciding. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1419.34 1425.41 Either you want to keep me in your office, which is alright, and then we have to forsee a place for Paola somewhere. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1425.41 1430.65 I I think that's that's not realistic to have a planning IB4004 H00 MIO036 1417.56 1418.59 If IB4004 H00 MIO036 1419.82 1421.27 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1421.27 1421.71 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1423 1424.92 No, I I would prefer you, I think. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1425.8 1428.22 Okay, let me keep you. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1428.28 1429.64 Martin goes back to Andrei. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1427.59 1428.28 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1430.84 1434.85 Okay, we'll put Paola and a visitor here. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1432.64 1433.09 Why didn IB4004 H00 MIO036 1437.8 1440.15 So Paola is the new person. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1439.57 1439.82 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1450.15 1450.84 Vis two. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1445.69 1450.15 And then we'll we'll still have probably some way to put a second visitor here. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1441.52 1443.82 And a visitor, uh vis. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1443.82 1445.69 Is that vis one? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1442.93 1443.83 That's visitor one. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1452.13 1452.53 Oops. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1453.49 1455.31 Sorry, it's not very nice, but IB4004 H03 MIO039 1453.83 1454.22 Mm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1458.27 1460.46 Does this display better? IB4004 H02 FIE037 1465.62 1471.31 Um Paola well, Paola being new, I I think it would be better to put her with somebody else. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1466.46 1467.86 I think it's not bad. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1469.17 1471.35 Yeah, don't put her alone. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1471.35 1471.84 Uh-huh. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1470.47 1471.91 somebody else. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1477.56 1482.53 I mean, you cannot go there and discuss and and two people working there in the room. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1474.12 1477.56 Well, the the lounge can not be in here t with two people. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1477.99 1478.28 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1487.71 1492.57 you know, coffee at the end of the day, or a drink, then the two people will stop working. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1492.57 1494.34 I don't know, maybe they won't be happy. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1483.1 1487.71 No, but we said that we won't discuss or maybe if we organise some kind of, IB4004 H00 MIO036 1482.8 1483.1 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1499.2 1499.48 No? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1494.34 1499.2 Okay then, Martin let let me put you in that office and I'll put Paola with me. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1482.82 1485.15 Not supposed to discuss, you are supposed to relax. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1495.39 1497.31 Sure not me. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1498.48 1500.45 No no put why not Maria or Yalina? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1502.16 1503.84 So Martin goes where? IB4004 H02 FIE037 1504.1 1505.5 Martin stays. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1505.5 1506.02 Maria's. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1505.6 1505.81 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1505.69 1508.34 Because you don't want to separate Ma Maria and Yalina? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1508.34 1508.54 Why? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1507.64 1508.04 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1512.49 1514.15 It's a master student so uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 1509.3 1512.49 'Cause Yalina, i it's not even sure she stays. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1509.38 1510.34 Yeah, okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1512.52 1515.86 Okay, so let's put Maria in the separate office. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1511.41 1512.52 Yeah, that's true. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1515.7 1515.93 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1517.43 1522.33 And we have, yeah, and we have two visitors and a masters student and a p and a part-time person. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1521.27 1523.63 And we have Paola. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1524.17 1525.78 I was thinking the other way around. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1527.01 1528.65 Oh sorry, what were you thinking? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1527.77 1537.04 To keep Paola with Maria in the two people room and to have this one with two, Yalina and David in the three people room. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1539.84 1540.46 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1537.63 1539.84 So who is with Maria here? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1539.17 1539.39 Paola. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1541.76 1542.72 And no visitor? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1541.57 1541.76 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1542.94 1544.88 No, that's a two people room, so IB4004 H00 MIO036 1549.91 1555.53 All the I mean, two visitors and the fifty per cent pers person, I don't think it's very uh reasonable. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1545.48 1549.91 Yeah, but that means that this room, the middle one, would be quite empty. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1548.46 1548.6 Yep. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1550.61 1552.54 No, Yalina is there, David is there IB4004 H03 MIO039 1557.63 1560.64 but you need to have to put visitors somewhere, I mean uh IB4004 H02 FIE037 1558.28 1558.88 Well, we have IB4004 H02 FIE037 1560.2 1561.93 Uh yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1560.23 1564.46 Yeah, but let's split them a little bit, so that when there are no visitors, at least people are IB4004 H03 MIO039 1563.68 1563.91 Ah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1564.95 1568.03 No, the rooms have to look like they're sort of occupied uh. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1568.03 1570.09 Oterwise, we might uh lose room or two. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1567.75 1568.62 Yeah, I think so. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1570.39 1570.61 Oh. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1571.25 1571.74 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1578.63 1580.4 And is this better? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1576.02 1578.63 Here goes visitor one. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1571.36 1574.78 So this goes here goes visitor two. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1574.78 1576.02 Paola is there. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1571.88 1573.66 That's true. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1574.21 1576.43 This is always the game. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1581.78 1583.93 Except that we cannot read it, but IB4004 H00 MIO036 1585.6 1587.15 apart from this IB4004 H03 MIO039 1586.1 1587.07 Well IB4004 H03 MIO039 1589.35 1591.02 It's a little bit crowded in. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1599.36 1604.9 you will have two full-time person plus one part-time person plus one visitor that's IB4004 H03 MIO039 1592.35 1599.36 'Cause you have well, not yet, of course, because Paola is not has not arrived, but uh starting from January IB4004 H00 MIO036 1596.77 1597.16 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1611.07 1617.97 And this visitor two which means it's like a, well, you know, second uh second chance. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1602.04 1603.25 Yeah, okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1603.25 1611.07 Let me call this visitor one, which implies that uh it will be the first one occupied by a visitor when they come. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1606.38 1607.03 'Kay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1610.07 1610.37 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1621 1623.56 But why couldn't we basically IB4004 H03 MIO039 1625.74 1630 Move you, David, in this two people room with Maria? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1632.32 1633.32 What would this change? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1631.54 1632.32 Or we could. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1632.69 1635.44 Maria plus one half pa uh half-time person? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1635.72 1636.16 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1654.85 1658.69 So the lounge will just die after some point and it uh it IB4004 H03 MIO039 1646.17 1654.85 on on the on the long term disappear, because anyhow I don't believe there can be a lounge where in a place where there are already two people working. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1638.45 1646.17 And you have Paola, Yalina, one visitor position, and I still keep hope that uh Marianne, Nikos that the lounge will on the, IB4004 H02 FIE037 1657.71 1662.01 No, but but look, Martin, it's quite a long room, it has two doors IB4004 H03 MIO039 1660.58 1661.9 Still, I mean,. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1664.7 1665.31 Yeah, that's true. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1663.08 1664.7 Ah okay, ah it has two doors. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1663.38 1665.26 Oh yeah, very good. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1666.61 1668.67 Yeah, so maybe in the long run we'll get a wall. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1667.62 1669.42 Ah yeah, but then then yeah, okay okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1669.42 1670.5 Okay, that's true. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1670.5 1672.23 'Kay then then there will be a wall. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1672.23 1672.52 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1671.27 1671.72 Uh-huh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1675.23 1677.77 So where would we move David to Maria Da with Maria. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1671.72 1675.23 Al although there are three windows, but um okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1679.58 1680.22 Um. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1677.77 1679.58 Do you have any preferences, David? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1674.43 1674.96 Yeah, that's good. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1679.63 1681.08 Uh it's completely fine. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1686 1687 Yeah, right. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1679.64 1686 Uh she she wa she wants mixing peo uh men and women, so or she he. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1686.05 1686.85 So, yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1683.11 1686.05 Well, he already is mixed. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1692.61 1693.07 Uh we'll see. IB4004 H01 MIO094 1684.03 1692.61 Then uh the two visitors will be in one room, but doesn't that's fine, because maybe there are not two visitors at the same time. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1691.16 1691.43 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1692.48 1694.96 Yeah, that's to me it's more realistic. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1698.66 1702.9 and when there are two people, so it makes too many variations, but IB4004 H00 MIO036 1693.4 1698.66 Yeah, I wouldn't put the two visitors in the same room, because when there is no one it makes a big hole, IB4004 H03 MIO039 1702.61 1707.75 Yeah, but then then you can you can move for instance if you move David to uh with Maria. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1703.34 1703.79 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1709.02 1709.61 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1709.77 1710.24 Then IB4004 H02 FIE037 1712.43 1713.8 Yeah, the occupancy is better that way. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1715.3 1716.03 First it's better. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1716.03 1718.98 I think it's uh, because it's more it's stabler. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1714.42 1715.3 I think it's it's better. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1716.27 1716.7 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1714.61 1716.27 You prefer that too, Susan? IB4004 H02 FIE037 1714.83 1717.92 Because there is regular there is regular occupancy, yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1720.12 1721.43 'Cause visitors stay and go. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1720.29 1720.99 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1729 1730 Oops. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1730 1731.6 Sorry. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1733.99 1734.92 This one. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1731.6 1733.99 Uh what did we say here? IB4004 H01 MIO094 1733.88 1734.54 one. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1735.94 1736.81 Yeah, that's good. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1736.44 1738.12 Yeah, my uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 1738.36 1739.71 To me that's the best we can do. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1741.06 1745.19 If you if we realistically can plan to have a lounge. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1741.43 1741.97 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1750.71 1756.8 actually if we do a proposal without a lounge, and, you know, the other group will IB4004 H00 MIO036 1746.08 1750.71 Well, I think that was really decided and it's it's no we no, because, IB4004 H03 MIO039 1748.42 1749.08 Okay okay okay. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1755.42 1756.96 We won't be very credible. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1756.02 1759.03 I go I got the message. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1757.54 1765.82 Yeah, exactly, and that means that all the constraints that we said and uh all the other things just, we we well, just basically disappear. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1766.1 1766.54 Yes, sir. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1767.3 1770.26 Uh-huh, which means we've worked for nothing. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1770.26 1770.97 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1770.97 1775.28 Uh what's what's wrong with this? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1776.28 1777.15 So who has strong IB4004 H00 MIO036 1778.38 1778.97 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1778.48 1779.71 strong opposition to that? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1784.49 1784.88 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1781.38 1782.73 Uh, I don't. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1782.73 1784.49 Oh, you have to go, Susan? IB4004 H02 FIE037 1783.8 1784.64 I'll be right back. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1785.2 1787.2 But do you have any no. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1792.89 1793.88 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1793.88 1794.55 No problem. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1792.39 1792.89 Yeah, please. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1787.04 1792.39 Yeah, well, we are almost done, Susan, but uh we we'll we'll just check the the items. IB4004 H02 FIE037 1791.11 1793.84 I I just need to see somebody. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1793.53 1794.9 But it's just a decision. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1794.9 1796.38 No, you just have. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1804.21 1806.04 Um. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1796.36 1804.21 Yeah, we we'll just review the items to see is we look at all the constraints and then you'll be able to say the final uh yes or no. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1798.87 1799.08 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1815.92 1816.91 That's that that checked? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1808.32 1815.92 'Cause uh we are sure that Maggie and Bruno uh Maggie is happy with having Bruno in her office and Pierrette is happy to have uh Marianne in her office. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1816.91 1817.17 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1804.57 1808.32 I think we we we accommodated most of the constraints. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1809.15 1810.38 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1808.13 1809.15 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1818.59 1820.06 Uh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1815.28 1817.32 Yeah, I think that's okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1817.32 1818.59 Yeah, we checked. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1818.48 1823.68 And, yes, and no reason to think that there should be uh uh uh uh an impossible situation? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1823.82 1824.28 No. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1821.57 1823.82 I don't think so. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1824.8 1827.95 Same thing for Marianne and Marianne F. and Nikos? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1828.19 1828.75 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1833.44 1840.19 And uh, well, Yalina Aha, that means for a for a short time Yalina will be just alone in the three person room. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1830.24 1833.44 Uh Paola we don't know yet, because she didn't arrived yet. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1848.33 1850.81 David or visitor one or two. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1840.2 1848.33 Yeah, that's a bit yeah, that was the point in letting David there and but okay, maybe we'll just leave it as an option. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1850.81 1851.53 It's uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 1840.88 1842.99 That's a bit a problem. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1856.52 1864.09 uh as long as Paola is not has not arrived, is to switch for the proposal Paola and David IB4004 H03 MIO039 1849.89 1856.52 Ah but then then we what we could just for the sake of having a defendable solution, IB4004 H00 MIO036 1855.83 1856.31 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1865.27 1866.21 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1866.41 1871.85 But we we really plan that as soon as Paola is here or even earlier IB4004 H00 MIO036 1869.34 1869.79 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1868.04 1869.34 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1882.91 1883.42 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1878.85 1882.91 Yeah, either, yeah, we can switch Maria or Paola or David. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1872.28 1872.54 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1872.54 1878.85 So we'll know that uh that the region actually around here is probably movable. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1873.07 1875.52 David will go to the to the two people room. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1877.57 1879.62 It's just it will be switched. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1880.69 1884.31 'Cause this this this this is dangerous to propose. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1891 1892.37 Okay? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1884.31 1891 I mean you have a three per three person room with one masters student in it. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1892.37 1894.03 So I wouldn't I wouldn't propose that. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1887.79 1888.29 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1892.1 1898.97 Yeah, tha tha yeah, that's why I always try to put the to separate the visitors, just to balance a little bit. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1891.17 1892.1 Yeah, no, exactly. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1898.97 1901.58 But okay, we'll uh, we'll be open on on that point. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1898.48 1898.94 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1901.06 1902.38 But as soon as Paola is here, IB4004 H03 MIO039 1905.29 1907.45 And we will have visitors, for sure. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1903.41 1905.29 uh it starts to be better. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1903.44 1904.65 Yeah, it will become IB4004 H00 MIO036 1906.15 1906.63 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1906.63 1913.82 Or it depends also on well, if Yalina stays longer or not, which is not yet very clear, but um IB4004 H03 MIO039 1911.72 1912.11 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1910.38 1911.72 Yeah, right right, that's true. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1915.65 1923.99 Ah do we have a do do we know do we know when when is she supposed to finish the her uh master thesis? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1923.99 1924.54 In June? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1913.76 1915.65 Oh yeah, that's a point, true. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1915.42 1916.4 Okay, w we'll see. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1916.4 1918.13 Anyway, we'll we'll be open. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1930.2 1932.45 Actually I don't know, unfortunately. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1928.98 1930.2 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1928.11 1928.98 At the latest. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1920.09 1928.11 Mm I don't really know, I think her master thesis is probably due um no, I would say, yeah, maybe June next year? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1928.08 1928.86 June next year. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1930.76 1937.15 Okay, wha when when do we when do you when whe uh when are we supposed to sub sumbit the proposal? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1938.31 1942.44 Well, we we won't have any extra meeting, well, the four of us, IB4004 H00 MIO036 1945.94 1951.57 Um so um we'll we'll have actually I I'll present this to, IB4004 H00 MIO036 1951.57 1956.18 well, with the other, I'll compare it with the other one, and uh try to make a decision actually. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1956.18 1960.7 I think it's even uh a bit later, or in two days, or something like this. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1942.44 1945.94 so, yeah, this one has to to be the the final one. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1941.35 1942.36 'Kay, that's now. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1945.93 1946.34 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1954.23 1954.5 Mm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1958.02 1958.26 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1960.18 1965.77 Well so as soon as we have Susan we can uh we can um so I would I would switch again. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1965.91 1967.49 Again, okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1968.92 1969.4 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1967.49 1968.92 We yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1966.63 1971.38 Da but that, as I say, it's just for the sake of the of the proposition IB4004 H03 MIO039 1971.38 1977.71 so I even I'm even ready to uh to internally say that David will actually be in this room. IB4004 H00 MIO036 1978.77 1980.86 W we can leave it like this and then IB4004 H00 MIO036 1978.4 1978.77 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1981.27 1982.09 names on the doors? IB4004 H03 MIO039 1979.54 1981.27 What does it what does it change? IB4004 H00 MIO036 1983.33 1985.21 Uh, yeah, there will be names on the doors. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1990.5 1996.86 the psy psychological problem we have is pra I'm extremenly happy with that solution. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2001.29 2006.97 But currently if we present it as it is, we have a three person room that is only occupied by a masters student. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1996.86 2001.29 It would be a workab work working solution starting from January, when Paola will be here. IB4004 H03 MIO039 1984.3 1990.5 Aha, so if we 'cause, Susan, the the the the problem the let's say the techn not the technical IB4004 H02 FIE037 1987.59 1988.14 Sorry, yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2007.64 2012.93 No, because there is another person right now, a student that I just uh um hired. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2012.93 2015.3 And she's just working right now for uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 2015.06 2017.21 Aha, so sh you have a student. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2017.21 2020.28 That we that's a rea real visitor to some extent. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2016.06 2017.85 So she'll be a visitor. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2016.17 2018.16 for November and December, yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2019.08 2020.98 A she uh she's a she's a real visitor. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2020.98 2024.99 She's a real visitor that I just made a contract for her for two months. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2024.99 2025.17 Yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2025.8 2027.69 So then we would have two people there. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2021.51 2025.8 Ah, so this one and this two one are just ah okay, okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2027.69 2027.96 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2025 2025.42 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2028.42 2030.75 Yeah, we'll we'll keep it like this. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2033.69 2042.68 I'll try to to express all these constraints and uh and say in particular that the two rooms over here actually are sort of uh, IB4004 H00 MIO036 2026.63 2028.42 Okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2042.68 2047.26 well, s things could be changed over there, but on some other sides IB4004 H00 MIO036 2030.75 2033.69 Um okay I, well IB4004 H03 MIO039 2028.54 2030.07 Yeah then that works. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2052.3 2059.28 I mean uh it's it's it's it's extremely important in the research domain that we can have people coming to visit us. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2045.28 2052.3 Yeah, but you you really have also to say that that that a a unit has to has to have some some horizon. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2051.37 2054.17 Yeah, the visitor space, yeah, I'll uh IB4004 H00 MIO036 2056.48 2056.98 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2059.56 2061.69 Yeah, uh that's true. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2061.69 2063.21 And IB4004 H03 MIO039 2060.69 2064.23 Uh the second point I would suggest is that before you go to defend it IB4004 H03 MIO039 2064.23 2070.62 you should uh mm circulate it uh over mail to all the all the con involved people. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2071.67 2072.25 Well, IB4004 H03 MIO039 2072.28 2073.26 To double-check so that IB4004 H00 MIO036 2073.42 2081.07 I think this I I'm not very sure, but I think this will be done after the meeting, when okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2083.94 2088.83 Agnes comes to you or Pierrette comes to you saying it, no I don't want to be with Marianne. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2077.59 2079.96 I would do it before. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2079.96 2083.94 'Cause you if you if you spend time defending a thing then um I don't know, IB4004 H03 MIO039 2088.83 2090.42 Uh what do you do? IB4004 H00 MIO036 2083.35 2084.53 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2084.53 2085.06 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2095.44 2096.1 Perfect. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2088.26 2088.9 Uh-huh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2088.9 2095.44 A as far as know I think Agnes is also taking care of a proposal so okay, yeah, I'll circulate this. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2091.88 2093.26 So so it doesn't IB4004 H03 MIO039 2094.99 2098.33 cost anything, it's just people will look at it, say oh, great, IB4004 H03 MIO039 2098.33 2101.55 I have a view on the mountain and I'm uh with a person I like, so I'm happy. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2096.85 2098.23 Yeah, exactly. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2120.16 2124.32 and uh we'll have a meeting, I think, it's uh it's in two days or something like that. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2102.37 2106.3 Okay, so maybe we'll learn some more constraints. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2110.29 2116.84 Um yeah, actually as I as I told uh Martin um, well, this is the last time we meet, IB4004 H00 MIO036 2129.27 2133.98 Actually, probably a pre-final one, since we'll have to check again with everyone. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2116.84 2120.16 so uh this is, well, more or less our proposal, IB4004 H00 MIO036 2133.98 2134.41 But uh IB4004 H00 MIO036 2106.3 2110.29 Um okay. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2124.32 2129.27 Uh to discuss and compare with the other proposal and uh, well, make a final decision. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2106.83 2109.19 What's the timeline on this now? IB4004 H02 FIE037 2109.19 2110.69 So you have a meeting when? IB4004 H03 MIO039 2128.76 2129.37 Because IB4004 H03 MIO039 2131.86 2137.09 Yeah, it's it's it's not it's not completely it's an important issue, because uh I need to know, IB4004 H03 MIO039 2147.03 2151.17 I'm reachable when I'm at uh well, they can phone me on the mobile IB4004 H03 MIO039 2137.09 2143.19 when I will have the office decided, the phone number decided. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2143.19 2147.03 Because these are information that I have to provide to administration. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2151.17 2159.04 but uh I would definitely prefer to have a clean filled administrative form that I can give back. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2143.33 2143.78 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2143.77 2144.44 Oh, yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2143.36 2143.77 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2150.79 2152 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2158.25 2159.48 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2169.54 2178.61 I think, next month or depends also on how, well, the uh the furnishing and uh well goes on. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2165.33 2169.54 well, finding out when we will move and this happens in probably, IB4004 H00 MIO036 2159.48 2165.33 Well, so actually I think, I I'm not very sure, but the most important thing is, IB4004 H03 MIO039 2167.71 2168.96 Yes, yes. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2171.28 2171.57 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2176.34 2180.71 And then uh of course you have these all these practical issues, how about internet connections? IB4004 H03 MIO039 2180.71 2182.26 Well uh, network connections, I mean? IB4004 H00 MIO036 2181.29 2182.98 No. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2182.46 2184.44 How many connections are there per room? IB4004 H03 MIO039 2183.98 2186.19 Yeah, because that's also something double check. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2186.19 2190.06 You know, if you are in a room with three people and one network connection IB4004 H00 MIO036 2184.92 2185.51 Um. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2199.96 2203.67 A and I think you get at least th yeah, three per room. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2189.98 2193.31 No the roo the the building is very no actually I've seen it. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2188.94 2189.98 Oh no no no. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2203.67 2206.56 So uh or probably more than that. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2193.31 2199.96 Uh the building is very modern and uh you can have actually we'll get them activated, yeah. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2190.69 2192.16 Well no no um. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2193.69 2194.08 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2195.82 2197.02 But are they activated? IB4004 H03 MIO039 2199.48 2199.94 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2203.17 2203.42 Okay. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2203.84 2209.13 No, get the uh for the the bigger rooms you get double for every workplace you get two lines. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2207.62 2208.12 Okay. IB4004 H01 MIO094 2208.73 2211.55 Yeah yeah, you need, because sometimes you need a laptop and IB4004 H00 MIO036 2209.23 2209.56 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2209.3 2209.92 Ah okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2209.92 2210.98 Good that looks good. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2210.92 2211.06 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2211.75 2214.1 Yeah, sometimes he needs two two computers. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2214.1 2215.94 Yeah, no this this. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2212.05 2212.39 Yeah. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2213.76 2218.26 No, because lots of people have, you know, they have a Sun and they have a a PC, so IB4004 H03 MIO039 2217.32 2231.15 And if you go back to the uh to the uh other sli slide where you have the furniture so with this uh we do we have any m any any word to say and uh so that I would like to have a red chair or a blue desk uh or a IB4004 H00 MIO036 2217.85 2218.15 Hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2229.54 2239.8 Oh no, unfortunately that's decided by the uh the school, so the the chairs are blue, the the desk is uh is brow, well, light-brown. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2239.8 2240.44 And uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 2234.09 2235.37 So that's the standard things. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2239.23 2244.01 But do we have to order something or is it done automatically, so it will be in the office when we move in? IB4004 H00 MIO036 2244.19 2249.23 Uh, normally it's done automatically, except that we'll have to think IB4004 H02 FIE037 2247.73 2250.75 Well, we have to say how many places that we want to have. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2251.71 2255.51 Yeah, uh well, these are dictated by the names. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2255.51 2258.67 Uh it's probably more difficult for the lounge. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2271.67 2272.94 Uh. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2258.67 2265.02 What we'll have is have a bit less furniture in the lounge and then bring all the, well the old it's not old, IB4004 H00 MIO036 2265.02 2271.67 because we just bought it, but uh all the furniture from the previous lounge we'll we'll bring it here. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2262.1 2262.54 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2265.42 2265.6 Mm. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2278.15 2280.8 Or here you're supposed to move them yourself, or IB4004 H03 MIO039 2271.28 2278.15 And how about the boxes, because at you have to say when you will be moving the boxes, so that you have uh people for moving them. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2281.14 2284.76 Well, it's the faculty that will take care of uh IB4004 H03 MIO039 2284.1 2285.69 So we'll receive some information about that? IB4004 H00 MIO036 2311.98 2317.12 So the the violet box here is uh uh our mailboxes also. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2285.76 2292.46 Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, i I mean it's a completely different issue from uh, you know, arranging people. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2292.46 2294.42 It's just uh how the moving will take place. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2302.44 2308.94 Uh thinking about internet connections, I think it's quite okay for the the for the the printer to be there. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2310.71 2311.98 We'll we'll check. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2308.94 2310.71 Yeah, I think it's i it's feasible. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2299.42 2302.44 Yeah, we'll get uh we'll get all the information. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2294.42 2299.42 And there are things to to take care of, but uh it's uh quite unrelated with these things. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2286.11 2287.92 Yeah, they'll just give us a date when IB4004 H03 MIO039 2288.42 2288.64 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2292.98 2296.39 That's true, but uh right, right, right. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2296.39 2296.9 Okay, okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2306.15 2309.66 Yeah, that's an important point, the the printer needs to be connected. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2317.09 2327.01 By the way uh uh is there any uh wireless connection uh antennas for getting 'cause I I've I've heard that there is one downstairs in the IB4004 H00 MIO036 2322.21 2324.92 Um not at the sixth floor. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2324.92 2327.98 Yeah, yeah no not not in the building for the moment. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2327.99 2328.74 that IB4004 H02 FIE037 2328.04 2332.9 The well, there is downstairs in the building and pretty soon the whole building will be covered. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2332.9 2333.13 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2329.08 2331 I mean not at this IB4004 H03 MIO039 2332.08 2332.9 But that's important. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2332.9 2334.86 I mean, typically for the laptops it's IB4004 H00 MIO036 2334.91 2335.33 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2337.75 2340.07 Some people can pick it up on sixth floor. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2335.32 2337.75 Yeah, but right now in uh downstairs it's fine. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2340.07 2341.98 But pretty soon the whole building will be covered. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2341.26 2342.55 Ah okay, good. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2342.26 2343.28 Mm-hmm. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2349.27 2356.44 We'll try it I'm, well I'll try to to express the the constraints and uh your opinions and uh well, IB4004 H00 MIO036 2343.81 2346.46 Well, I think it's a bit off topic already. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2356.44 2364.16 I think, finally everyone can veto something if there is a huge problem, but I think with this we we don't run into huge problems. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2346.46 2349.27 So um let's say that i it's a proposal. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2343.28 2343.81 Okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2345.73 2346.31 Yeah yeah,. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2346.29 2347.31 Yeah, okay. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2349.3 2349.36 Mm? IB4004 H03 MIO039 2360.27 2360.61 Sure. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2363.48 2365.6 At least the four of us will not veto. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2367.82 2369.17 So let me save this. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2365.89 2367.82 Yeah, obviously. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2366.22 2369.14 at least. IB4004 H01 MIO094 2370.48 2371.65 So you agree with a lounge? IB4004 H00 MIO036 2370.58 2373.11 And thank you for spending all this time. IB4004 H02 FIE037 2374.78 2375.07 Yeah. IB4004 H00 MIO036 2374.88 2376.15 Hope you're all happy. IB4004 H03 MIO039 2375.17 2375.39 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 47.14 47.37 Hi. IB4010 H03 MIO046 47.66 48.03 Hi. IB4010 H02 MIO095 48.29 48.93 Hello. IB4010 H00 FIE038 48.67 48.91 Hello. IB4010 H01 MIO036 48.96 49.65 Hi everyone. IB4010 H03 MIO046 54.84 56.05 Do you no? IB4010 H03 MIO046 49.6 54.84 So I don't know if you all received the the a agenda for this meeting. IB4010 H02 MIO095 55.22 56.09 No, I haven't. IB4010 H03 MIO046 57.19 57.58 Here it is. IB4010 H02 MIO095 57.38 57.71 Thank you. IB4010 H01 MIO036 58.16 59.07 I haven't. IB4010 H03 MIO046 59.92 66.33 So um um the goal for today are um We have two goals. IB4010 H03 MIO046 66.33 72.11 Uh first is to decide a movie for uh the next projection for our movie club. IB4010 H03 MIO046 72.11 77.03 As you know uh so it's for the last Friday of this month of April. IB4010 H03 MIO046 77.03 87.82 As you probably remember, the movie already projected were uh Lawrence of Arabia and Apocalypse Now in February and Amadeus from Milos Forman in March. IB4010 H02 MIO095 71.31 71.63 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 71.7 72.11 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 100.27 110.79 and second goal is to uh discuss for an ad advertising poster um for our um uh club IB4010 H03 MIO046 110.79 115.08 because we noticed that n last time not enough people came to the projection. IB4010 H03 MIO046 97.41 100.27 So that's the first goal, decide for a movie to be projected IB4010 H03 MIO046 87.95 97.41 So um the question that is open is are we going to select a movie from the nineties and which movie. IB4010 H03 MIO046 116.13 117.99 So that's it. IB4010 H03 MIO046 117.99 121.34 Um wh who wants to start to IB4010 H03 MIO046 123.3 127.34 So I guess you all prepared some documents for the mm selection of movie. IB4010 H00 FIE038 128.79 129.31 Yep. IB4010 H00 FIE038 127.65 128.79 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 130.25 132.73 Actually maybe um IB4010 H01 MIO036 128.29 129.06 Yes. IB4010 H01 MIO036 129.06 130.25 So who who has what? IB4010 H03 MIO046 128.59 128.86 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 131.88 134.21 Um I've got a PowerPoint presentation. IB4010 H01 MIO036 135 135.34 Uh-huh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 135.34 136.4 What do you have, Mirek? IB4010 H03 MIO046 135.03 135.51 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 136.55 142.69 Okay, I have a PowerPoint presentation and uh it's about there are some reviews of the of the I think like seven movies. IB4010 H01 MIO036 142.88 143.93 Uh-huh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 143.93 150.37 And I have a uh well just a a piece of paper with some suggestions. IB4010 H01 MIO036 150.37 151.44 What about you, Denis? IB4010 H03 MIO046 151.29 154.99 Yeah, I have also uh a piece of paper with uh my favourite movie. IB4010 H01 MIO036 155.3 155.63 Uh-huh. IB4010 H03 MIO046 156.3 157.02 Okay, so IB4010 H01 MIO036 159.11 159.22 Yeah? IB4010 H01 MIO036 156.63 159.11 should we start with the two presentations maybe? IB4010 H03 MIO046 159.04 159.65 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 159.65 159.88 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 158.03 159.04 presentation? IB4010 H03 MIO046 159.88 161.77 A Agnes, we can start with you? IB4010 H00 FIE038 161.49 161.74 Sure. IB4010 H00 FIE038 163.49 165.3 It's not very long in any case. IB4010 H03 MIO046 166.02 167.2 Okay, here it is. IB4010 H00 FIE038 167.66 169.35 Yep. IB4010 H00 FIE038 169.35 171.1 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 168.76 169.64 I passed this one. IB4010 H00 FIE038 180.73 189.11 Apocalypse Now and Amadeus, were fairly historical, serious, dramatic, and also action-ey movies except for maybe Amadeus. IB4010 H00 FIE038 189.11 196.19 Um this month I was thinking of selecting something that's more in the present time, still dramatic but slightly less serious. IB4010 H00 FIE038 172.6 180.73 Okay, so what I was thinking is basically the previous movies that we had, which you've already mentioned in the agenda d um Lawrence of Arabia, IB4010 H00 FIE038 201.33 208.81 And I know that a lot of people find mystery is not really mysterious in the movies these days, they kind of can predict what's gonna happen IB4010 H00 FIE038 226.48 232.4 or you see where the clues were and mm what led up to the end, so that's more along the lines of what I was thinking. IB4010 H00 FIE038 197.27 201.33 And what I'd propose is something of a thriller or mystery. IB4010 H00 FIE038 217.98 223.14 And even if people have already seen the movie, a lot of the times you go back and watch the movie again IB4010 H00 FIE038 208.81 213.99 um but in the nineties there were some movies that did have surprise endings and that people came out saying okay, IB4010 H00 FIE038 223.14 226.48 and you pick up on things that you didn't really notice the first time around, IB4010 H00 FIE038 213.99 217.98 didn't see that coming, so I thought we could maybe show one of those. IB4010 H01 MIO036 229.65 230.05 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 233.44 236.11 And the two in particular that I would propose are, IB4010 H00 FIE038 262.76 270.94 Um they're arrested, they're released from prison and the get together um and plan a crime IB4010 H00 FIE038 244.45 251.14 Uh The Usual Suspects was directed by Bryan Singer and written by Christopher McQuarrie. IB4010 H00 FIE038 251.14 258.52 It has a fairly large cast, so I'm not gonna read all of them, but the main characters are Kevin Spacey and Gabriel Byrne. IB4010 H00 FIE038 241.19 244.45 Um I don't know if you've seen any of them. IB4010 H00 FIE038 258.52 262.76 And it's basically about five criminals who get set up. IB4010 H00 FIE038 270.94 275.05 and basically the story is told through the views of one of the suspects. IB4010 H00 FIE038 237.4 241.19 next slide please, The Usual Suspects and The Sixth Sense. IB4010 H00 FIE038 279.02 291.08 no coincidence and you get told the story um as uh that these f characters are being controlled um by one sort of uber-villain IB4010 H00 FIE038 294.14 299.75 And I kind of like the the quote from Rolling Stone magazine, The Usual Suspects is the freshest, funniest IB4010 H00 FIE038 275.83 279.02 Um the tag line is kind of neat, five criminals, one lineup IB4010 H00 FIE038 291.08 294.14 and in the end you find who the uber-villain was. IB4010 H03 MIO046 300.52 301.79 The guy who was controlling? IB4010 H03 MIO046 301.79 304.1 I don't remember, I have seen the movie twice, but uh IB4010 H03 MIO046 298.85 300.52 Which which one was it again? IB4010 H00 FIE038 303.87 305.6 Well they ha have you guys seen the movie? IB4010 H01 MIO036 305.62 306.67 No, I haven't seen it. IB4010 H02 MIO095 306.26 306.83 No, I haven't. IB4010 H03 MIO046 306.99 308.89 It's the bald guy, the IB4010 H00 FIE038 313.7 316.23 I'll tell you later. IB4010 H00 FIE038 316.23 320.2 But the the quote from Rolling Stone is fairly accurate, I think. IB4010 H00 FIE038 320.2 324.01 It's one of the freshest, funniest and scariest crime thrillers to come along since Pulp Fiction. IB4010 H00 FIE038 307.13 312.05 So I'm not gonna give away you want me to give away the movie? IB4010 H00 FIE038 312.05 313.7 That'll spoil it. IB4010 H03 MIO046 312.58 315.43 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 310.91 312.58 No, no. IB4010 H00 FIE038 331.25 336.55 Um it was written and directed by M. Night uh Shyamalan and stars Bruce Willis IB4010 H00 FIE038 336.55 342.49 Haley Joel Osment and Toni Collette and again has a neat twist that you find out right at the end. IB4010 H00 FIE038 325.22 331.25 And the other movie is The Sixth Sense with the famous line I see dead people, which the little boy says. IB4010 H03 MIO046 343.97 346.58 Yeah, it's a bit more commercial that one. IB4010 H03 MIO046 346.58 347.02 first one. IB4010 H01 MIO036 344.49 344.77 Um. IB4010 H00 FIE038 346.24 346.54 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 347.45 347.81 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 347.98 350.41 yeah, The Sixth Sense was very commercial, but IB4010 H01 MIO036 355.33 357.52 Is it the the poster or IB4010 H01 MIO036 351.97 355.33 So w what what is this s the second image on the slide? IB4010 H00 FIE038 352.03 352.52 anyways IB4010 H00 FIE038 356.34 361.28 It's the poster for The Sixth Sense, but unfortunately I couldn't find a clear, big enough one. IB4010 H01 MIO036 361.83 368.23 Has a s it has a strange format, um horizontal and uh so it's one two three four five six. IB4010 H00 FIE038 383.37 388.48 It has an R. rating, so I don't remember what type of audience we had at the last IB4010 H00 FIE038 377.27 383.37 So The Usual Suspects is a hundred and five minutes long, so it's a decent length of time. IB4010 H00 FIE038 365.87 372.48 Yeah, I th I think it's only part of a full yeah, it goes th the all of the se all of the senses. IB4010 H00 FIE038 372.48 377.27 Um if you go to the next slide there's slightly more detailed things about the movies. IB4010 H00 FIE038 364.68 365.87 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 375.34 375.63 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 389.2 392.94 uh shows, but it may not necessarily be suitable for kids. IB4010 H03 MIO046 389.36 390.05 Um IB4010 H03 MIO046 392.5 393.79 R. is what uh in IB4010 H00 FIE038 394.04 398.03 R. is sort of if you're eighteen and under, you have to have an adult with you. IB4010 H03 MIO046 398.53 398.85 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 399.11 399.25 Hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 401.1 401.39 Uh-huh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 399.16 401.1 So it means restricted. IB4010 H00 FIE038 399.32 402.37 It's mostly for violence, yeah, it's restricted. IB4010 H00 FIE038 407.56 413.04 It's the sixteenth in the top f two hundred and fifty movies and fourth in the top movies of the nineties. IB4010 H00 FIE038 402.37 407.56 Um it got an eight point seven out of ten on the Internet Movie Database. IB4010 H00 FIE038 413.04 422.24 It won um a couple of Academy Awards, notably for best writing, um so that's for the script um and best actor for Kevin Spacey. IB4010 H03 MIO046 400.6 401.31 Restricted. IB4010 H02 MIO095 401.24 401.46 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 429.27 430.09 And it's fourth. IB4010 H03 MIO046 428.33 429.27 No, the top fifty. IB4010 H03 MIO046 422.05 428.33 But wait, I I have the top ten from the nineties? IB4010 H00 FIE038 428.11 428.3 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 431.36 433.7 Yeah, fourth in the top movies of the nineties. IB4010 H00 FIE038 433.7 436.69 Sixteenth in the top two hundred and fifty I think, of all time. IB4010 H03 MIO046 433.27 434.96 Oh, sorry, sorry, yep. IB4010 H03 MIO046 434.96 435.28 Yeah, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 434.04 435.16 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 439.97 440.29 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 436.48 439.97 Yeah, because your table is only the nineties, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 438.49 439.31 From yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 439.31 440.23 Yeah, yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 439.09 439.35 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 439.23 439.91 Nineties, yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 450.02 452.96 Um it was nominated for best foreign film for the Cesar. IB4010 H00 FIE038 440.45 450.02 So it won lots of awards um, it won best film from the British um British Film Association, or the British equivalent of the Academy Awards. IB4010 H02 MIO095 453.33 455.49 So plenty of awards we we could say. IB4010 H00 FIE038 454.6 455.6 Plenty of awards, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 460.61 461.36 All time? IB4010 H03 MIO046 454.67 460.61 But but sixteenth in top two hundred fifty, it's what two uh all all days? IB4010 H01 MIO036 455.89 456.83 Well IB4010 H00 FIE038 459.55 460.66 I think of all time, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 460.34 461.74 Of all the movies, yeah yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 461.8 462.01 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 463.59 463.94 So IB4010 H02 MIO095 464.07 466.03 It's still good, actually. IB4010 H03 MIO046 464.58 464.97 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 465.11 465.34 yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 466.41 470.19 But those rating are more like uh it's the number of votes, no? IB4010 H01 MIO036 466.52 467.5 W w IB4010 H00 FIE038 470.52 473.5 Yeah, it's ratings by viewers and IB4010 H03 MIO046 472.56 473.22 Votes and u IB4010 H01 MIO036 474.74 481.94 I think it's a sort of uh well average between number of votes and and and uh yeah the the rating or th the marks IB4010 H01 MIO036 487.65 491.32 for instance number twenty four, which has only four thousand votes IB4010 H01 MIO036 481.94 487.65 because there are in you table you have uh things that have very few votes but still are ranked quite high, IB4010 H01 MIO036 472.64 474.74 No, no, actually if you look at your tables IB4010 H02 MIO095 472.79 473.54 By the users. IB4010 H03 MIO046 474.93 475.12 Yep. IB4010 H03 MIO046 478.56 479.12 And rating. IB4010 H03 MIO046 487.41 487.6 Yep. IB4010 H00 FIE038 487.67 489.31 Yeah, like Memories IB4010 H03 MIO046 488.33 488.7 Yeah yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 491.03 496.2 Yeah, and Forty Four as well, which has seven hundred and forty something votes. IB4010 H01 MIO036 492.47 493.76 But um yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 495.4 501.34 So it's definitely just the average of the rating and okay th the number of the votes is there just for the information IB4010 H02 MIO095 501.34 504 so that you know how how reliable yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 495.57 496.02 Yep. IB4010 H01 MIO036 508.24 512.27 Because if you have just ten votes and yeah probably are not in the database. IB4010 H01 MIO036 500.8 502.16 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 502.16 508.24 Maybe it's just the search is compensated a bit for the number of people, I I don't know actually. IB4010 H02 MIO095 505.61 506.08 Yes. IB4010 H02 MIO095 507.2 507.7 Mm IB4010 H02 MIO095 508.5 508.76 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 510.86 512.41 Then yes, yes, yes, yes, sure. IB4010 H02 MIO095 509.89 510.86 Okay, then you yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 513.4 514.87 Yeah so IB4010 H01 MIO036 516.59 518.5 Haven't seen it, but IB4010 H01 MIO036 513.8 516.59 But yeah, anyway it has excellent votes. IB4010 H03 MIO046 514.26 515.38 Okay, yep. IB4010 H00 FIE038 515.96 517.33 Yeah um IB4010 H00 FIE038 518 518.53 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 522.48 528.91 because I do know the ending and I haven't been able to watch it again to see where the hints were that were scattered across the movie IB4010 H00 FIE038 528.91 531.75 'cause apparently there are hints as to who it is. IB4010 H00 FIE038 518.53 522.48 No it's a good movie, I I highly recommend it, and I wouldn't mind seeing it again IB4010 H01 MIO036 519.85 521.74 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 526.69 526.87 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 531.26 532.34 Ah, now I remember. IB4010 H01 MIO036 531.91 532.15 Oh. IB4010 H00 FIE038 535.54 535.84 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 532.83 535.54 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 533.67 534.69 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 534.84 535.02 Yep. IB4010 H03 MIO046 543.15 543.97 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 537.04 543.15 Actually there is one guy who is the at the police station and they ask him to tell the story. IB4010 H03 MIO046 543.97 544.12 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 540.2 540.41 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 541.41 543.22 and he's the one telling the story, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 543.17 543.79 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 545.35 547.63 There's him and the the guy in the burn unit. IB4010 H01 MIO036 547.79 549.53 Yep. IB4010 H02 MIO095 548.03 548.89 And what is the second movie? IB4010 H00 FIE038 551.04 552.1 Again, it's fairly short. IB4010 H00 FIE038 557.51 559.26 It got an eight point one out of ten, IB4010 H00 FIE038 569.15 573.69 Um got a fair number of votes, too, ninety six thousand. IB4010 H00 FIE038 573.69 579.73 Um again, it was nominated for a lot of different Academy Awards, um it didn't win any, IB4010 H00 FIE038 552.1 557.51 It has an easier rating, it's P. G. thirteen, um it's much less violent. IB4010 H00 FIE038 549.23 551.04 The second movie is The Sixth Sense. IB4010 H00 FIE038 567.3 569.15 Yeah, it's nineteenth. IB4010 H00 FIE038 559.26 567.3 it's a hundred and first in the top two hundred and fifty and it's nineteenth on your list I think, if I'm not mistaken. IB4010 H00 FIE038 579.73 584.65 but it got a lot of buzz and a lot of people liked it, so. IB4010 H02 MIO095 549.66 550.3 Yeah, Sixth Sen IB4010 H01 MIO036 585.55 585.82 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 592.74 597.62 seeks the help of a disheartened child psychologist to figure out why he's seeing what he's seeing and IB4010 H00 FIE038 586.26 592.74 Those are my two selections, and as you can see, the plot is a boy who communicates with spirits that don't know when they're dead IB4010 H00 FIE038 598.98 599.77 what it means. IB4010 H03 MIO046 607.02 607.58 It's uh IB4010 H03 MIO046 600.57 607.02 Both movies are quite similar in some way, because the last sentence is uh totally contradictory to the whole movie. IB4010 H00 FIE038 607.16 608.23 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 608.23 608.46 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 608.77 608.97 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 609.37 611.57 The last sentence from the movie or oh. IB4010 H03 MIO046 610.76 612.58 Yeah, the last sentence from the movie. IB4010 H00 FIE038 612.66 612.95 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 612.95 620.19 It's only right right at the end where you find out really what's going on and it makes you rethink everything that happened beforehand. IB4010 H01 MIO036 613.04 613.39 W IB4010 H03 MIO046 616.37 616.54 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 618.51 618.85 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 620.29 620.66 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 622.98 628.35 So those would be my two suggestions and y they ar they are slightly more commercial, IB4010 H00 FIE038 628.35 631.71 or at leas The Sixth Sense is, than the other ones we've seen, but IB4010 H01 MIO036 629.42 629.76 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 632.23 639.91 So these guys were actually nominated, so the the bottom part of your slide, actually, it says yeah, so these are the best awards they had. IB4010 H00 FIE038 634.88 635.3 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 640.12 644.51 Yeah, they were they were nominated for a lot of different awards, they didn't win. IB4010 H01 MIO036 641.95 642.14 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 650.27 650.62 Uh-huh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 644.51 647.5 Too bad. IB4010 H01 MIO036 647.5 650.27 Well there is just one winner, so. IB4010 H02 MIO095 644.9 646.11 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 645.7 648.87 But I guess the comp I can't remember what the competition was that year, but IB4010 H00 FIE038 650.49 653.07 And they were nominated for a lot of them, and um IB4010 H00 FIE038 654.85 654.97 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 656.08 657.12 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 657.12 658.77 You have a last slide or no. IB4010 H00 FIE038 656.45 658.53 So I think that's it, unless you have any questions. IB4010 H00 FIE038 658.53 659.27 Yeah, that's it. IB4010 H01 MIO036 656.77 657.08 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 661.9 663.62 Okay, now you can go to to my slides IB4010 H02 MIO095 663.62 671.68 but actually what I pre what I have prepared is just a kind of a review of fo uh se six or seven movies IB4010 H02 MIO095 671.68 673.28 if you ca can go to the second slide. IB4010 H03 MIO046 663.58 664 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 674.64 674.77 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 672.88 674.64 You sent your slides around, right? IB4010 H02 MIO095 674.05 681.64 Yes, basically seven movies, and it's uh it's uh uh top movies uh based on the uh on the ra ranking and a and awards awards. IB4010 H02 MIO095 711.68 719.2 Uh it's uh it's uh very uh high ranked and actually you have a a nicer list, because uh we can even see the number of the votes. IB4010 H02 MIO095 687.77 696.06 So um we can perhaps go through all of them and we can little bit discuss, so I I I have n I didn't see all of them actually, IB4010 H02 MIO095 704.82 711.68 So if you can go through uh okay, so this is the first movie and uh it's it's m it's more like a drama. IB4010 H02 MIO095 681.64 687.77 Um you see the the names of the movies on the on the on the wall. IB4010 H02 MIO095 719.2 720.59 So what is the number of the people? IB4010 H02 MIO095 696.06 704.82 so it's just we should probably select one of these, because I think uh these are really good movies and uh, okay, we will see. IB4010 H03 MIO046 704.78 705.1 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 718.92 723.56 Yeah one hundred f w uh one hundred forty thousand. IB4010 H01 MIO036 721.3 723.48 Yeah, I think your table is very clear Denis. IB4010 H02 MIO095 724.93 730.62 Finally I found actually your table much better than my than my presentation, because perhaps here we can we can really see I mean IB4010 H03 MIO046 730.88 734.02 No, we don't have the plot of the of the movie and uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 731.83 732.6 What is the ranking? IB4010 H02 MIO095 732.6 733.89 We ha didn't have the plot, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 736.45 740.86 Okay, but maybe we can wh who has seen this movie? IB4010 H02 MIO095 740.37 741.33 Yeah, who has seen this movie? IB4010 H02 MIO095 741.33 744.78 Because then perhaps someone can give some some comment. IB4010 H00 FIE038 741.34 742.58 No I haven't. IB4010 H00 FIE038 742.58 748.04 I've heard a lot of good things about it, I've heard it's a really powerful movie, but I haven't seen it. IB4010 H01 MIO036 742.22 742.86 No, I haven't. IB4010 H03 MIO046 742.95 743.7 I uh IB4010 H01 MIO036 744.09 744.55 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 745.7 748.64 I think I I I've seen it actually, but IB4010 H01 MIO036 747.06 750.67 W what is the name in French, 'cause IB4010 H03 MIO046 750.8 751.63 I have no idea. IB4010 H01 MIO036 753.03 753.69 Uh yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 752.05 753.03 Uh-huh. IB4010 H03 MIO046 753.72 757.76 It it's in uh jail right, it taking yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 755.99 757.23 Yeah, it's set in a jail. IB4010 H03 MIO046 759.1 761.51 I don't remember well this movie. IB4010 H01 MIO036 760.57 765.04 Well, actually your third slide has the plot, so uh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 759.67 760.57 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 762.06 762.31 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 766.44 768.35 It's the one that is on the on the wall. IB4010 H02 MIO095 765.12 766.44 Yeah, it's this one. IB4010 H02 MIO095 768.35 770.03 It's projected, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 766.24 766.47 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 767.11 767.44 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 767.15 767.43 Yep. IB4010 H01 MIO036 774.13 774.38 Wow. IB4010 H01 MIO036 768.76 770.08 Oh yeah, exactly, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 770.08 774.13 So yeah, this guy is jailed, okay, uh-huh. IB4010 H03 MIO046 769.19 770.1 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 770.1 770.61 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 774.47 775.34 Okay, so mm IB4010 H02 MIO095 778.15 782.95 so in that case perhaps it's it's little bit danger to select that movie for the for the IB4010 H02 MIO095 775.41 778.15 So I ge okay, so no one of us saw this movie IB4010 H01 MIO036 775.68 776.23 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 778.21 778.63 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 778.23 779.29 Yep, so let's IB4010 H02 MIO095 784.08 787.17 s play, so uh Schindler's List, who saw this? IB4010 H00 FIE038 787.32 787.57 Me. IB4010 H03 MIO046 788.16 789.18 Yeah, I've seen it also. IB4010 H02 MIO095 789.17 792.37 I saw it, and I think this on is re um this one is really nice, IB4010 H02 MIO095 792.37 796.19 it's uh, you know, all a all of you knows the the story, so. IB4010 H01 MIO036 789.47 792.01 Yeah, I haven't seen I heard about it, but IB4010 H01 MIO036 795.79 796.18 Yep. IB4010 H01 MIO036 795.01 795.79 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 796.06 796.34 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 797.51 797.79 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 809.47 811.33 There was something like a celebration of the IB4010 H02 MIO095 804.1 809.47 I'm uh thinking whether there was some good occasion, uh something what has happened recently. IB4010 H02 MIO095 797.7 804.1 Uh it's quite hi it's quite high ranked, so I think uh it's not a bad movie, IB4010 H02 MIO095 812.37 815.33 fifty years after the war or something recently, no? IB4010 H01 MIO036 822.35 827.01 Because they were liberated beginning forty five and uh yeah, it's not bad, IB4010 H01 MIO036 827.01 835.74 and it's also I think it's a good idea at at least from my point of view it's coherent with the previous films, like history, im major events. IB4010 H01 MIO036 835.74 843.86 I don't know if we want to keep this coherence, or change radically, but maybe yeah, that's yeah, I think it's a drawback uh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 815.76 822.35 Um I think there was a celebration of uh sixty years from the liberation of the camps, actually. IB4010 H02 MIO095 816.48 817.21 No, that's IB4010 H03 MIO046 816.67 817.58 Sixty. IB4010 H03 MIO046 817.58 819.11 S sixty years. IB4010 H02 MIO095 819.34 820.49 Sixty, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 820.49 822.26 S it can't be fifty, sure. IB4010 H00 FIE038 821.6 821.95 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 824.34 825.95 Yeah, so. IB4010 H02 MIO095 829.6 829.87 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 833.25 833.84 Yep. IB4010 H03 MIO046 834.87 835.61 That's right, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 833.84 834.87 Yep. IB4010 H02 MIO095 834.15 834.42 That's true. IB4010 H00 FIE038 834.75 834.98 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 839.11 840.93 It's a fairly emotional movie though. IB4010 H00 FIE038 840.93 843.16 That's one thing to keep in mind is that it's IB4010 H03 MIO046 842.93 846.57 But then it's not representative of the nineties. IB4010 H03 MIO046 846.57 854.51 It's more a movie about the story of uh the horror of the uh endured by the Jewish during the Second World War. IB4010 H00 FIE038 859.84 865.51 Yeah, and according to your thing it's nineteen eighty four, so. IB4010 H00 FIE038 854.61 859.84 Yeah, but Amadeus isn't really representative of the eighties either. IB4010 H01 MIO036 856.47 861.81 Well, of the seventeen eighties. IB4010 H03 MIO046 856.53 860.53 Yeah, right. IB4010 H02 MIO095 862.25 862.82 Yes. IB4010 H02 MIO095 862.82 864.03 Yes yes yes. IB4010 H01 MIO036 869.6 873.56 As for Amadeus, but uh that's I don't know. IB4010 H01 MIO036 866.3 869.6 Maybe it's representative of a style of the eighties, I don't know. IB4010 H01 MIO036 864.5 866.3 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 873.56 874.9 But IB4010 H03 MIO046 870.35 871.02 Yeah, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 873.28 879.7 Um but even here I wouldn't uh uh say that the that th this style is representative of the nineties, right, so. IB4010 H00 FIE038 879.39 879.74 No. IB4010 H01 MIO036 879.75 880.62 Yeah, hard to tell. IB4010 H02 MIO095 880.6 881.14 Um IB4010 H02 MIO095 882.4 888.35 okay, but uh anyway, I think it's it's really a good movie, I like it when I saw it and uh okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 884.44 884.68 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 885.37 886.66 It is a good movie, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 888.51 891.8 Okay, and Steven Steven Spielberg is uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 897.14 899.26 So I would keep it as a candidate, at least. IB4010 H02 MIO095 889.65 894.39 It's one of the candidates, I defini yeah, Steven Spielberg is really quite a good so I director IB4010 H02 MIO095 894.39 897.14 so I I would say we we could think about it. IB4010 H00 FIE038 892.26 892.65 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 897.08 897.36 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 897.31 897.64 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 898.97 899.25 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 900.45 901.47 That's the second one. IB4010 H03 MIO046 901.14 904.63 Okay, The Usual Suspect, do we want to say something again about it, or IB4010 H02 MIO095 905.03 907.05 I think we can just skip this slide. IB4010 H02 MIO095 903.57 905.03 Um no. IB4010 H03 MIO046 906.63 908.01 How come it's coming third IB4010 H03 MIO046 909.62 910.27 on your list? IB4010 H00 FIE038 911.27 911.57 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 911.32 911.9 Uh yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 913.32 913.53 It's IB4010 H03 MIO046 913.59 917.27 It's forth on Agnes's uh and on my list, but it's okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 917.27 919.05 Ah you j you selected some movies, no? IB4010 H03 MIO046 919.05 920.95 You didn't take the six first. IB4010 H02 MIO095 919.95 921.64 That's strange, what is the rating? IB4010 H01 MIO036 921.89 930.66 Yeah, it's funny actually um because on your on your slides actually the ratings are eight point seven for both. IB4010 H01 MIO036 930.66 935.34 No they have the same, Usual Suspects and Pulp Fiction, both are at eight point seven IB4010 H01 MIO036 942.51 943.97 Could have changed in the meanwhile. IB4010 H01 MIO036 935.34 939.5 but on Denis's table uh this one is at eight point six. IB4010 H01 MIO036 939.5 942.51 Who knows, maybe people voted for it, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 924.02 925.16 Perhaps it has changed. IB4010 H02 MIO095 929.03 929.54 It's higher. IB4010 H00 FIE038 937.21 938.86 But it gets updated daily. IB4010 H02 MIO095 938.52 939.78 It gets updated. IB4010 H02 MIO095 941.68 944.46 Yes, yes, and I did it I did it on Wednesday. IB4010 H00 FIE038 942.01 942.3 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 945.26 947.02 And me on Tuesday, probably. IB4010 H01 MIO036 945.83 949.51 Though with one hundred and thousand votes, it shouldn't change too much. IB4010 H01 MIO036 949.51 954.06 I mean, given the number of votes, I wonder but anyway, it's m it may change I think, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 947.05 947.43 Yes. IB4010 H02 MIO095 953.1 954.07 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 954.07 955.84 So it probably has changed, so um IB4010 H01 MIO036 956.64 960.17 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 961.39 962.24 That's encouraging. IB4010 H01 MIO036 960.17 961.39 Wow. IB4010 H02 MIO095 957.35 961.35 it becomes more popular, no po uh yeah, yeah, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 962.29 964.38 Do we have something to add on this movie, or IB4010 H03 MIO046 959.33 962.29 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 964.85 965.52 Mm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 965.52 965.74 No. IB4010 H01 MIO036 965.89 966.11 No. IB4010 H03 MIO046 966.32 966.61 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 967.25 969.7 Wait, how many of us saw Schindler's List? IB4010 H00 FIE038 970.41 971.38 Did you see it? IB4010 H00 FIE038 969.7 970.41 Three of us? IB4010 H00 FIE038 971.38 973.63 I'm just trying to keep track of how many of us have seen IB4010 H02 MIO095 975.19 976.16 I saw it, I saw it. IB4010 H02 MIO095 972.84 975.19 Uh Schindler's List. IB4010 H03 MIO046 974.47 974.64 Yep. IB4010 H00 FIE038 975.79 976.6 You have. IB4010 H00 FIE038 975.08 975.79 You have? IB4010 H00 FIE038 976.6 977.34 You haven't. IB4010 H03 MIO046 976.36 976.51 Yep. IB4010 H01 MIO036 976.9 977.33 Haven't. IB4010 H01 MIO036 978.61 983.94 Uh I I've seen very few movies from the list, about ten out of the first fifty. IB4010 H02 MIO095 978.64 978.88 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 983.67 987.41 That's why you are in the movie club, to see more movies. IB4010 H01 MIO036 985.92 986.94 Okay, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 988.37 989.26 Okay, Pulp Fiction. IB4010 H02 MIO095 996.11 998.38 Who was interested in that movie, he saw it. IB4010 H02 MIO095 998.38 1005.53 Wh who is not interested in that movie, he he didn't see it and he uh wouldn't uh like to see it in the in our movie club. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1009.36 1014.76 I I wouldn't think about this as a candidate, even if it's a good movie, but I don't know, I think it's IB4010 H02 MIO095 1005.53 1009.36 So I think we should uh we should just leave skip it out and leave it out. IB4010 H02 MIO095 989.26 996.11 Uh I think it's again quite uh hi high ranked uh, but from my perspective, everyone already saw it. IB4010 H01 MIO036 996.82 997.16 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1012.18 1013.82 Why not? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1017 1018.94 And the structure of the movie is interesting. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1013.82 1017 It's quite representative of the nineties, I think. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1013.74 1014.1 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1025.51 1027.19 There is a kind of loop in this movie. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1020.37 1025.51 I I think the the first scene is actually the same scene as the last scene, no? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1021.09 1021.65 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1026.09 1026.98 I can't remember. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1028.02 1032.56 Yes, yes, there was ple I I think there was a plenty of loops actually, plenty of. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1030.86 1031.04 Yep. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1031.17 1036.49 I think also it's old enough that even if people saw it the first time around, they don't necessarily remember everything that happened, IB4010 H00 FIE038 1036.49 1040.99 'cause I remember seeing it when it came out, but I don't particularly remember IB4010 H01 MIO036 1036.8 1037.19 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1044.44 1049.59 three times and for the fourth time see you still discover something new, but uh on the other hand, IB4010 H02 MIO095 1049.59 1055.93 I have the impression it's really it's uh, you know, every everyone saw it, it's it's quite well known, uh it woul it wou I IB4010 H02 MIO095 1041.78 1044.44 I fully agree that you can see this movie three times perhaps, IB4010 H03 MIO046 1045 1045.22 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1043.83 1045 I agree also. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1043.35 1043.83 Yeah yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1054.86 1056.58 You've you've seen it? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1056.58 1057 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1057.43 1059.13 I I like it very much. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1055.85 1057.43 Yeah, I've seen it, this one. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1059.13 1060.35 I've actually seen it IB4010 H02 MIO095 1056.98 1057.17 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1058.45 1059.52 So we've all seen it. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1061.67 1063.45 No, you don't the soundtrack. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1058.92 1061.67 And the soundtrack is uh is gorgeous also. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1062.15 1062.48 Is what? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1063.89 1065.45 I haven't I don't remember the soundtrack. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1065.02 1065.25 No. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1065.96 1072.11 Well, it's plenty of well known songs and, you know, the twist thing and IB4010 H02 MIO095 1066.01 1067.1 Me neither. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1073.24 1076.57 I I wouldn't think about this as a candidate, because it seems to me it's IB4010 H02 MIO095 1070.28 1071.56 Mm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1071.56 1073.24 So what do you think? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1070.49 1070.95 Yeah, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1078.68 1082.93 I think for the moment m m guess most of these are candidates, so we'll try to. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1076.01 1078.68 Oh I would keep it as a candidate, but I don't know, IB4010 H02 MIO095 1083 1083.29 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1083.32 1085.81 W w we vote at the end, or you want to IB4010 H01 MIO036 1085.1 1088.03 Yeah, we should probably vote after everyone IB4010 H00 FIE038 1086.42 1091.11 Yeah, I mean if there's something that none of us like, we can just eliminate it, but we might as well leave everything 'till the end. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1086.59 1088.18 Vote, that's the best, yeah, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1089.02 1089.85 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1089.85 1090.1 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1090.61 1091.02 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1091.08 1091.33 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1092.7 1095.53 Okay, so we are not gonna eliminate this one. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1095.53 1097.47 Uh Goodfellas, I didn't see it. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1091.14 1092.7 When going through we c we could just eliminate. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1098.26 1098.45 No. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1098.8 1100.03 No. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1099.27 1099.44 No. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1099.56 1101.86 No. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1101.86 1106.88 But you can read the comment from the users, uh that's the that's the last uh bullet point, IB4010 H02 MIO095 1106.88 1113.05 and it says uh simply a masterpiece uh, and it's uh Scorsese's last really great movie to date. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1105.69 1107.82 Ah it's Scorsese's IB4010 H00 FIE038 1107.71 1108.31 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1111.94 1115.17 It's uh yeah, again a movie about uh on mafia, no? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1115.25 1116.49 Mafia, yes. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1115.26 1116.54 Yeah, it's a gangster movie. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1116.84 1120.05 With uh Robert de Niro, and who are the o two other guys? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1120.05 1120.69 I cannot IB4010 H00 FIE038 1120 1123.16 Ray Liotta and IB4010 H02 MIO095 1121.95 1125.06 I can't recognise them from the picture. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1125.06 1126.74 The picture is not very good quality. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1128.31 1132.13 I think yeah, on the right, and the guy on the left is Ray Liotta. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1125.73 1128.31 Joe Pesci I think, maybe? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1128.27 1130.1 On the r on the right, you mean? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1130.1 1130.3 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1126.88 1128.27 Ah Joe Pesci, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1137.58 1138.02 Oh okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1132.93 1137.58 I you you recognise them, or you can read the the text on the images. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1136.13 1137.22 I recognise them. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1138.24 1142.44 I'm a movie buff, I know way too much about movies and actors and everything. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1139.58 1140.17 Huh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1140.17 1140.95 Very well. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1141.24 1149.3 It's the exact same actors who played in um another mafia movie that I cannot rememb Les Affranchis, it was the name in French. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1149.3 1149.53 No? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1149.75 1150.51 What was it about? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1151.55 1158.82 About uh mafia uh it that's why I tha that's why I didn't go to see this one IB4010 H03 MIO046 1158.82 1165.07 it's quite i it seems to me they're all about the same subject and the same I don't know. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1153.48 1156.78 Very descriptive. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1164.23 1164.69 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1167.78 1169.36 The one that you saw, that you mentioned? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1165.4 1167.78 And it's a movie from nineties? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1166.11 1166.54 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1171.45 1171.63 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1170.53 1171.45 Probably. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1171.2 1171.42 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1175.25 1176.99 Okay, n nobody's seen it, so. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1175.84 1176.38 Mm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1176.38 1176.86 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1176.86 1179.58 No, yeah, so probably not uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 1177.2 1177.7 No. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1177.44 1177.89 No. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1179.64 1180.18 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1179.72 1181.24 Silence of the Lambs uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 1190.41 1198.12 Uh so, okay, it's a little bit horror, so I think it's quite it's uh it's uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 1182.5 1183.51 should I tell something more? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1183.51 1190.41 Godfather of all thrillers, that's what it what it says on the what some uh user says. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1199.51 1200.58 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1195.11 1199.51 A little bit? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1199.22 1205.69 It's definitely not for kids, uh but uh if the kids are not visitors of our cinema, why not? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1206.96 1207.17 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1207.56 1207.82 It IB4010 H02 MIO095 1213.89 1214.61 Uh why not? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1209.11 1213.89 One have to rethink when when when you are watching this movie, you have to think and it's uh scaring. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1215.56 1217.3 So it's about a psychopathic killer. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1218.26 1219.69 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1218.32 1219.02 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1218.44 1218.88 And IB4010 H03 MIO046 1221.61 1223.35 I mea the IB4010 H03 MIO046 1220.11 1221.61 what was it again, the plot? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1223.39 1233.13 So the F. B. I. agent is assigned to to help uh find a a missing woman and uh save her f uh her from a psychopathic killer with the help of another killer. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1234.05 1237.05 So the other killer is Hannibal Lecter, who IB4010 H01 MIO036 1234.68 1235.22 So IB4010 H01 MIO036 1237.36 1238.67 Who is in prison, actually. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1237.46 1237.78 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1237.57 1240.58 He he's in jail and he's still killing? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1238.39 1241.33 Yeah, he's in jail and he's real no, h IB4010 H02 MIO095 1238.86 1240.15 He's in prison, yes. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1239.32 1239.59 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1240.72 1241.38 No no. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1241.38 1245.23 He tries to decrypt the the the other killers' behaviour. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1242.02 1243.92 Ah, okay, yeah, yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1243.53 1248.34 He tries to help the F. B. I. agent, but he plays head games with the F. B. I. agent at the same time. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1249.55 1251.32 He's a really psychotic man. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1249.85 1250.41 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1251.83 1253.51 Or does he, I don't know. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1250.41 1251.83 Well, not very nasty ones. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1253.51 1253.84 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1250.39 1251.12 And so IB4010 H00 FIE038 1253.66 1256.45 He manages to freak her out. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1252.92 1253.66 With her? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1258.75 1259.74 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1259.74 1264.19 So on the picture you can see uh Jodie Foster and uh ha ha. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1255.34 1258.75 Yeah, that's basically the point, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1255.94 1256.22 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1258.14 1258.38 So. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1259.76 1261.07 Hannibal Lecter is a very IB4010 H03 MIO046 1262.77 1262.95 Yep. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1263.1 1263.43 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1264.95 1267.03 Th th The Moth. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1264.96 1265.68 The Moth. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1268.01 1268.62 I don't IB4010 H03 MIO046 1265.65 1268.01 Who's playing the ps psychopath again? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1268.8 1272.35 Which, the one who's in jail or the one who Anthony Hopkins. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1270.41 1270.69 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1271.04 1272.9 Anthony Hopkins. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1274.29 1276.83 We don't see any h see him very often. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1272.9 1274.29 The other one, I don't remember. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1276.83 1277.93 But it's IB4010 H02 MIO095 1271.83 1272.47 Anthony IB4010 H03 MIO046 1272.07 1272.6 Okay, yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1274.63 1275.49 I don't either. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1277.33 1280.97 Anthony Hop Hopkins he really plays it very good, very good, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1275.34 1276.03 No. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1276.03 1277.33 But he plays it really good. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1278.15 1280.47 Yeah, he's scary in that movie. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1279.9 1281.04 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1281.04 1281.16 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1282.09 1282.95 So IB4010 H01 MIO036 1284.46 1290.4 I mean the not the plot, but the what the the active killer wants to do is quite horrible and IB4010 H01 MIO036 1282.59 1284.46 But the plot is quite horrible. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1290.76 1295.1 Yeah, I vaguely remember what it is, but IB4010 H01 MIO036 1292.17 1294.29 Mm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1295.96 1296.45 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1296.01 1296.33 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1297.38 1298.36 How many of us have seen it? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1298.36 1301.16 I'm guessing you haven't seen it or h okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1299.56 1302.33 No, I've seen it actually twice, I think. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1301.78 1302.5 Yeah, I've seen it. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1302.5 1305.64 I think I've seen it a second time on T. V., but maybe not entirely. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1304.77 1305.97 So have we all seen it? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1305.97 1307.07 Okay, so we've all seen it. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1305.1 1309.44 I've I've see I've seen it, but I can't really remember exactly the all the details. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1309.22 1311.8 I can't either, 'cause I saw it right when it came out. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1310.06 1311.91 That's it's it's probably begin IB4010 H02 MIO095 1310.23 1310.55 Uh. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1311.64 1313.36 It's a long time ago, it's from ninety one? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1312.77 1315.52 It came out when ninety one, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1313.75 1314.46 Ninety one. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1315.03 1315.97 Ninety one, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1317.25 1321.99 So and I saw it when I was like twelve or thirteen. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1321.99 1323.33 So perhaps it would be IB4010 H00 FIE038 1317.98 1318.15 So. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1320.37 1322.02 Yeah, me too. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1322.02 1326.13 And at that age I was like mm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1322.78 1324.17 They're much too young. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1323.96 1325.58 Yep. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1327.22 1332.96 Okay, American Beauty w w was coming next, seven, was quite quite nice actually. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1331.57 1332.67 Could you go to the next slide? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1330.5 1331.57 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1331.59 1332.62 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1332.62 1333.63 That was very good, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1334.9 1335.94 Ah, it's actually there. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1335.97 1338.89 Yeah, it's here, and that's actually my last slide. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1338.89 1340.07 So um IB4010 H00 FIE038 1336.14 1336.37 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1340.5 1342.41 Why you choose you choose seven movie? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1342.96 1347.47 I don't know, because it nicely f I I was thinking perhaps we are not able to go through more of them. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1347.47 1347.79 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1347.93 1349.6 Indeed. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1348.55 1348.89 Uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 1350.34 1354.34 So American Beauty, so I can perhaps read a little bit the user comment if you want, IB4010 H02 MIO095 1357.96 1366.77 but it's basically deep, wonderful and penetrating movie, extraordinary uh irony and the p and the psychological drama about American life. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1354.34 1357.96 or uh yeah, you can read the plot outline on the on the on the projector, IB4010 H03 MIO046 1367.92 1370.51 Yeah, it's definitely about American life. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1369.64 1370.64 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1370.64 1371.72 Suburban life. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1372.23 1379.04 It's it's kind of crude the critique, but uh on the other way it's quite poetic, it's uh yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1376.87 1378.83 There's a lot of very true things in it. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1379.19 1380.64 Poetic? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1380.8 1386.55 Yeah, you know, with the the way of filming and um I don't know, I found it pretty IB4010 H00 FIE038 1381.29 1381.63 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1385.16 1387.59 Okay, the way of filming perhaps, but uh IB4010 H01 MIO036 1385.21 1387.97 I haven't seen it, but I would like to see it, so. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1388.33 1390.83 No, it's q it's quite in interesting. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1389.11 1389.39 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1392.02 1392.28 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1393.09 1394.36 So yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1394.04 1397.46 It's much less dark than the other movies we have on that list. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1396.71 1396.96 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1397.95 1399.58 So it's not very violent, really. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1397.19 1397.95 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1398.04 1399.13 Well, it depends. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1399.34 1402.32 It's not well it's dark but no. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1401.09 1408.21 Ah no, it's it's not violent at all, but more it's more the cr the cr the critique that is quite crude IB4010 H03 MIO046 1408.21 1412.79 because all the people in this movie are are uh psychopath in their own way. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1402.76 1403.57 Ah okay, great. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1403.36 1403.63 No. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1412.8 1413.2 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1413.19 1419.15 But not like violent cutting people to pieces psychopaths they're just everyone has their own issues and IB4010 H02 MIO095 1413.36 1413.72 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1414.5 1415.87 But they are normal people then. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1415.86 1416.52 Okay, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1418.55 1419.68 Uh-huh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1419.68 1429.38 And what about the well that picture with the the girl and do you see naked people in the movie or is it about sex or something like that? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1418.9 1419.08 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1426.6 1429.26 Actually, there is this it's uh uh what IB4010 H03 MIO046 1429.26 1436.37 a fifty years old man that quit his job and fall in love with um the best friend of his daughter. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1426.88 1427.22 No. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1428.96 1429.52 Well IB4010 H00 FIE038 1437.63 1441.85 So that's the best friend, and he fantasises about her and IB4010 H00 FIE038 1434.18 1437.63 With hi his daughter, his like teenage daughter. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1436.72 1437.32 Ah okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1439.04 1439.39 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1443.58 1444.18 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1439.33 1443.58 Supposedly. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1440.28 1445.03 Yeah, it's it's good movie. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1445.22 1445.64 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1445.38 1445.67 Uh-huh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1447.16 1447.4 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1448.59 1448.95 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1453.36 1454.42 And I think, okay, why not. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1450.53 1453.36 So uh yes, yes, yes. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1449.12 1450.53 And it's my last slide. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1450.69 1451.58 You have seen it, Mirek? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1466.25 1472.51 Do we want that people are more like uh relaxed in our in our cinema, or are more interested in some particular things? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1455.76 1462.67 It seems to me that perhaps that Schindler okay, definitely Schindler Schindler's List is perhaps more serious topic for sure, IB4010 H02 MIO095 1462.67 1466.25 but um well it depends, it depends what we want. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1473.66 1476.99 Um what do you think, I mean what should we how we should uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 1478.4 1481.63 What should be the influence, how we are influencing the people in the cinema? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1482.49 1482.83 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1483.11 1483.58 Um IB4010 H03 MIO046 1489.88 1493.2 but I'm not sure then it's quite popular the movie we selected, so. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1484.68 1489.88 I think we w want them to to see movies that they won't see oth otherwise, IB4010 H02 MIO095 1485.01 1486.24 What do we want? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1499.08 1502.22 so that they come to our movie club, so yeah, IB4010 H01 MIO036 1494.21 1499.08 Yeah, I think it's a mixture of bringing new things to them, but also making them enjoy the show, IB4010 H01 MIO036 1493.51 1494.21 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1502.22 1509.34 I think we shouldn't maybe do very mainstream movies, but well okay, the list here is quite uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 1499.93 1500.28 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1509.51 1513.92 See I don't know what was mainstream in Europe, like all of these movies are very mainstream for me. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1510.21 1510.41 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1514.69 1517.52 Yeah, I think also if you look at the number of votes here. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1515.58 1516.14 But IB4010 H03 MIO046 1515.97 1519.16 If they are in the top fifty, they are quite mainstream, but uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 1518.08 1518.35 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1518.9 1519.4 Uh IB4010 H01 MIO036 1520.74 1521.34 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1521.34 1528.92 Uh regarding the Denis's table I would say given that this site, I don't know if it's mainly American, but uh I would say that IB4010 H00 FIE038 1528.07 1530.36 It has other movies, but I think it's predominantly IB4010 H03 MIO046 1530.44 1532.8 Uh I think there is the IB4010 H01 MIO036 1530.48 1536.18 Yeah, I think mm yeah, it's English speaking anyway, so uh though so IB4010 H02 MIO095 1533.69 1533.96 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1535 1537.8 There are Chinese movies, English movies. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1537.49 1538.6 Yeah, but if you look at IB4010 H00 FIE038 1538.15 1539.74 No, there's movies from everywhere, but IB4010 H01 MIO036 1552.79 1563.68 twenty thousand, like mm Princess Mononoke, twenty thousand and uh, whatever, the the Kieslowski at eleven thousand, the Trois Coleurs Rouge. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1546.39 1552.79 and you can see some more, well, confidential films that have like ten thousand, IB4010 H01 MIO036 1540.16 1546.39 Yeah, but I would say mainstream are the ones that have more than, whatever, sixty thousand votes, IB4010 H00 FIE038 1554.03 1554.31 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1563.04 1565.51 It's it's quite a lot for Kieslowski actually. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1565.51 1567.15 I was surprised to s yeah yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1565.7 1568.5 Yeah, it's not bad at all, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1568.5 1571.83 So yeah, anyway, if you want a definition of mainstream or whatever. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1569.57 1569.83 Hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1571.96 1572.21 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1579.92 1582.71 It's uh uh movie from a Swedish guy. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1575.73 1577.42 Uh I I don't know if you've seen this one. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1572.25 1575.73 And Festen also is uh is quite high. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1577.42 1579.92 It's The Celebration I think. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1574.85 1575.28 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1576 1576.38 Yep. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1577.08 1579.05 No, I've never even heard of it. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1582.13 1585.93 D uh Danish I think, it's the Dogma movement. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1585.93 1586.28 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1586.88 1587.99 Lars von Trier. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1585.18 1586.88 Dogma movies, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1584.48 1585.18 Danish? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1588.74 1588.95 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1589.09 1589.9 Oh okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1589.27 1589.39 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1589.69 1589.87 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1592.15 1593.54 Okay, can we IB4010 H01 MIO036 1593.91 1594.84 Yeah, let's uh IB4010 H03 MIO046 1594.48 1595.97 discuss about your document, maybe? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1604.3 1609.04 Actually I I tried to propose just one movie with some alternates. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1601.48 1604.3 I have them Denis, so it's all for you. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1609.04 1610.73 Uh you want one? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1595.92 1601.48 Yeah, so it's uh actually I have made I have made photocopies. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1598.67 1601.56 Maybe can I ask you for the for the list of movies? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1599.54 1599.7 Yep. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1601.78 1602.25 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1603.09 1603.42 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1606.9 1607.2 Thank you. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1608.85 1609.36 And the IB4010 H02 MIO095 1608.33 1608.85 This one. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1616.7 1617.51 okay, good, thank you. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1614.55 1616.7 But you have your own copy then? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1610.8 1614.03 Denis, Denis, could you give me the the list of the to uh top fifty? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1614.03 1614.55 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1613.16 1613.71 Yeah, sure. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1615.73 1615.89 Yep. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1635.52 1640.26 okay, outside Europe and the States, but uh it's a piece of history. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1652.15 1661.15 But um given that we would like a movie from the nineties, I thought the Saving Private Ryan oh thanks for projecting the document IB4010 H01 MIO036 1618.72 1629.7 Um so my proposal, which is only a proposal, would be to to keep the focus on um uh more or less history and action, IB4010 H01 MIO036 1629.7 1635.52 so Lawrence of Arabia was, okay, about this guy during the first world war, so it happens, IB4010 H01 MIO036 1645.96 1652.15 that's much uh much earlier and it's not about it's not violent, which is a nice thing I think. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1640.26 1645.96 Uh Apocalypse Now it's uh Vietnam, if I'm um correct and, okay, Amadeus, IB4010 H00 FIE038 1642.9 1643.16 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1643.91 1644.22 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1661.52 1670.65 um would keep this more or less this theme of uh history and war and action drama IB4010 H01 MIO036 1676.47 1684.89 Because it's it's not like the sort of glorification of uh, you know, the good guys that that uh well go against the Nazis IB4010 H01 MIO036 1670.65 1676.47 while showing actually a very new and I would say humanistic view on on war. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1684.89 1689.67 but uh it's uh it's well the plot actually if you don't know it IB4010 H01 MIO036 1713.07 1715.12 And this this guy is Private Ryan. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1696.71 1702.79 who actually three of them get killed during the war in these days of forty well IB4010 H01 MIO036 1689.7 1696.71 It's about people looking for just one soldier, in fact it's um it's about a a family of four brothers IB4010 H01 MIO036 1702.79 1713.07 I guess summer forty four and the uh well the government decides that they need to get back the fourth brother just to save one member of the family. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1693.85 1694.1 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1710.88 1711.13 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1745.67 1746.61 It's uh IB4010 H01 MIO036 1715.79 1723.33 So the movie is not about killing the Germans or whatever, it's about saving at least one guy from a family IB4010 H01 MIO036 1730.21 1738.18 It's um it's not at all a glorification of war but it's just uh it shows a bit uh the violence of um of the things. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1723.33 1730.21 so but of course the the setting is during the war and um it's very realistic and uh very dramatic in fact. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1738.18 1745.67 And especially the the beginning is uh I think it's great, it's it's very violent, but it's it's an image of of war. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1746.39 1747.89 It's quite horrible actually. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1745.12 1746.39 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1745.68 1748.96 It's v very very violent. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1749.04 1753.52 Yeah, but I think if mm well if you compare it with IB4010 H03 MIO046 1749.29 1749.55 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1751.76 1752.94 Mirek, you didn't see it? IB4010 H02 MIO095 1756.85 1759.44 Okay, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, that was really horrible. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1752.66 1756.85 That's the I I I saw it and I d I'm trying to remember the beginning, that's the Normandy landing? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1755.74 1757.05 The landing, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1756.09 1761.74 It yeah, it's the landing, and actually every more or less everyone gets killed and IB4010 H03 MIO046 1756.83 1756.99 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1759.67 1762.29 This is not a movie for kids, like IB4010 H00 FIE038 1759.06 1759.67 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1760.17 1765.05 But it's it's a piece of art because he used something like one hundred camera to film that, or IB4010 H02 MIO095 1761.82 1762.15 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1782.76 1791.93 and I think it's uh it's also maybe representative of the nineties, you know, people starting to get the more uh realistic view of uh of of war. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1765.2 1769.96 Oh I I didn't know, but yeah, actually it's very well filmed and it's very realistic, IB4010 H01 MIO036 1774.98 1782.76 I know it's very nice, someone falls somewhere there and, well you know, it's like battles that look nice, but this one doesn't look nice, IB4010 H01 MIO036 1769.96 1774.98 and I don't know if you compare with, I don't know, in Lawrence of Arabia I think they have some battles and camels. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1791.93 1797.89 But it's true, it's it's a bit violent, and so what I put here it's a bit long too, it's nearly three hours. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1766.34 1766.63 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1767.03 1767.57 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1768.45 1768.7 Yep. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1774.76 1775.4 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1775.3 1776.43 Yeah it's quite s yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1782.52 1783.95 No, not at all. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1798.98 1802.47 But uh I don't know, Apocalypse Now is quite long too I think IB4010 H00 FIE038 1801.95 1803.1 yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1803.08 1809.34 There is two there are two versions I think, and but w but we yeah, we projected the longer one, so. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1802.45 1803.08 Yeah, it is. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1803.41 1804.17 I don't remember. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1805.09 1807.08 Yeah, the redux version is longer. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1807.45 1807.97 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1809.03 1809.27 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1809.17 1810.22 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1820.94 1821.63 Uh IB4010 H01 MIO036 1810.22 1820.94 So it won uh five Oscar prizes, uh best director for Steven Spielberg, um best cimena cinematography, etcetera. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1820.74 1826.23 How many times uh Spielberg received the best uh director Oscar? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1825.55 1826.97 I think just once for this. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1826.01 1826.64 I don't know. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1827.25 1829.69 Not for the Schin Schindler's List or for IB4010 H00 FIE038 1829.65 1830.45 Oh maybe he did. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1830.69 1831.45 for E. T. ? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1832.01 1834.01 No, for E. T. he didn't. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1834.01 1840.83 It wasn't until he started doing things like Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan that he actually started winning awards for them. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1833.21 1835.13 He won f he won the mm IB4010 H01 MIO036 1834.3 1834.56 Oh. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1840.16 1844.68 No, he won f for E. T., he won the mm Cannes, uh what is uh Palme d'Or. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1840.37 1840.84 Hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1841.76 1842.28 Did he? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1844.94 1845.93 Oh okay, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1845.91 1846.33 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1846.01 1846.14 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1847.39 1847.96 I didn't know that. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1863.26 1867.62 just to make it look maybe a bit like the documentaries from the time. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1857.34 1863.26 uh in the trivia I found out that in fact they uh actually reduced the the colour saturation of the movie IB4010 H01 MIO036 1867.62 1870.67 Yeah, I was very surprised to find this uh it's IB4010 H01 MIO036 1849.56 1857.34 Um okay, so um yeah, that's that's the point, it's it's a bit grey, and actually if you look at my second page IB4010 H02 MIO095 1857.22 1857.48 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1865.53 1867.36 That was very interesting to read, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1869.6 1873.93 But then they uh I read that they they w where was it? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1873.93 1876.64 Th they turned back to yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1873.38 1876.3 They they turned back the colours for uh IB4010 H00 FIE038 1874.38 1876.43 They re-enhanced the colour, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1884.4 1885.13 Uh IB4010 H02 MIO095 1876.65 1884.4 Because people start to complain that uh that w there was a problem with a T. V. when they were broadcasting the movie on the T. V. . IB4010 H01 MIO036 1877.44 1877.79 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1878.41 1880.05 That it was their T. V. s and not IB4010 H01 MIO036 1900.98 1903.14 I don't know, in in the room. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1883.45 1891.43 So this uh fact number two I think obviously for I mean technical people like us is uh is is is quite funny. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1891.43 1892.04 So yeah IB4010 H01 MIO036 1892.04 1900.98 so I I mean these four points could serve also as an introduction if you want to talk f fo for fi five or ten minutes before the movie, IB4010 H01 MIO036 1903.14 1908.28 So uh yeah, mm so tha this would be my candidate, but I'm very much open to IB4010 H01 MIO036 1883.06 1883.45 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1887.02 1889.04 That's an interesting point, interesting point. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1914.71 1920.97 the in the previous movies there were an he an hero, Lawrence of Arabia, uh Amadeus. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1920.97 1930.43 Apocalypse Now, it's also non-hero I think, but uh but here I don't remember it's actually the Tom Hanks the hero, or it's IB4010 H03 MIO046 1906.37 1914.71 And then then there is this uh there is an hero, I mean it's uh or a non-hero, and in all the other stu stories, IB4010 H00 FIE038 1916.05 1916.29 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1919 1919.41 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1924.3 1924.58 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1931.64 1939.63 In fact you you don't see uh Private Ryan until the end more or less, or you see mm because they they're looking for him, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1927.76 1931.64 Yeah, on th on yeah, on the picture actually yeah, it's Tom Hanks. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1937.18 1944.4 Yeah, about two thirds of the way through the movie, 'cause most of the movie is them find trying to find him on the front, right? IB4010 H00 FIE038 1944.4 1945.25 No, no. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1938.96 1941.84 Yeah, but in the end you can ref yes. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1942.15 1942.52 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1943.22 1945.06 He's Private Ryan, Tom Hanks? IB4010 H03 MIO046 1945.06 1945.85 No he's not. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1945.85 1946.79 He's trying to find him. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1945.2 1946.38 No, Tom Tom IB4010 H02 MIO095 1945.93 1946.32 No. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1946.76 1947.76 Yeah, he's trying to find him. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1947.74 1950.26 Well the caption says Captain John Miller, so. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1947.08 1947.74 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1947.32 1947.6 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1954.84 1956.39 So he's uh he's IB4010 H01 MIO036 1951.5 1954.84 So i if you look at the caption um yep. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1951.86 1952.68 Yeah, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1954.92 1955.37 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1955.07 1958.33 Private Ryan was Matt Damon I think, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1961.16 1961.39 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1957.51 1961.16 Yeah, so the Private is just a simple soldier actually. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1960.92 1961.2 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1961.04 1964.93 By the way, did he fied dinally uh f fi died finally or not? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1965.57 1972.58 Uh who, Private Ryan or no no, they find him actually and they send him back to the family, but the Captain dies actually, Tom Han IB4010 H02 MIO095 1966.29 1967.44 Uh the Private Ryan, yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1968.73 1973.42 Th they I remember I remember they found him, but ah okay, yes yes yes. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1969.98 1970.27 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1972.03 1977.02 Is it him at the begin it's him at the beginning of the movie at the at the the graveyard, right? IB4010 H01 MIO036 1976.12 1976.48 L IB4010 H02 MIO095 1978.13 1978.86 Because I remember IB4010 H01 MIO036 1981.54 1981.89 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1978.22 1981.54 Oh yeah, it's Private Ryan, yeah, remembering at the beginning. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1979.38 1981.55 Yeah, with his family. IB4010 H00 FIE038 1981.55 1982.01 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1980.29 1980.55 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1981.81 1991.73 Because I remember that th in the end of the movie they are trying to defend some bridge or something and there's quite heavy shooting and uh finally it's actually John Miller who die. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1991.73 1992.8 Okay okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1988.6 1988.87 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 1994.03 1996.61 So yeah, there is sacrifices and IB4010 H01 MIO036 1991.19 1994.03 Yeah, exactly, yeah, he dies unfortunately. IB4010 H02 MIO095 1995.56 1996.5 It's not the Private Ryan IB4010 H03 MIO046 2000.26 2007.23 because there were a guy who was who didn't kill German because he was quite non-violent. IB4010 H03 MIO046 1995.56 2000.26 At the end, to tell you the truth, I didn't like so much the movie because it was quite moralistic IB4010 H03 MIO046 2007.23 2013.25 And because he didn't kill this German, the German killed, I don't know, uh maybe um IB4010 H01 MIO036 2004.64 2005.01 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2006.65 2006.92 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2012.67 2013.2 Oh. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2013.08 2015.45 Perhaps it was a g uh this uh Tom Hanks, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2015.65 2015.84 Yep. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2015.92 2016.28 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2017.06 2018.16 Oh yeah, yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2017.12 2020.5 And it was like, if he had killed the mm IB4010 H01 MIO036 2020.66 2021.72 Yeah, the German. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2021.97 2023.76 If he would kill him, he wouldn't die. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2025.28 2026.18 Tom Hanks wouldn't die. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2023.76 2025.28 Wow. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2023.33 2024.43 Because he e yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2023.39 2024.74 Uh-huh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2024.74 2025.06 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2033.83 2038.59 I don't know how many people have have seen it, well among you, well most of you actually. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2032.52 2033.83 So yeah, I I don't know. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2038.59 2040.14 Oh all, okay, all of us. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2026.69 2032.52 Well I mean yeah, it has a moral dimension all over the movie, you know, saving the individual and the guys. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2040.14 2042.45 So maybe th people know it quite well. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2030.04 2030.2 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2037.62 2038.01 I have. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2038.3 2038.94 I have. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2039.19 2039.72 I've seen it. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2038.43 2039.19 I've seen it. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2040.8 2040.98 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2042.65 2044.54 Yeah, we're running um IB4010 H01 MIO036 2050.46 2057.85 Uh I also put Pulp Fiction, uh The Silence of the Lambs and I also, well, sort of included La Vita e Bella, IB4010 H01 MIO036 2063.77 2064.42 But it IB4010 H01 MIO036 2057.85 2063.77 but I know we're an Engish movie club, so I guess it's um it's a bit out of purpose. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2044.48 2050.46 Okay, so yeah, so I have some other candidates, um it's on first page at the bottom. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2043.86 2044.48 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2044.44 2044.9 Out of time? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2052.42 2052.71 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2063.76 2065.6 What is the movie about, the La Vita e Bella? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2070.82 2079.46 So it's about uh a family of Italians which uh g arrives into a a death camp, and in fact it's treated in a more or less humorous mode IB4010 H01 MIO036 2086.12 2092.51 and it's this very strange mm well, not really humour, but relation between the uh how IB4010 H01 MIO036 2079.46 2086.12 so um the father tries to hide from i from his boy that they are in a death camp, IB4010 H01 MIO036 2066.52 2070.82 Oh it's uh it's about again about the camps and the Second World War. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2067.96 2069.44 But it was in English, no? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2070.84 2071.21 Ah-ha. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2070.87 2071.59 I don't think so. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2071.59 2072.77 No, it was an Italian. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2073.59 2073.81 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2076.48 2076.67 Uh-huh. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2085.92 2086.94 Uh-huh uh-huh. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2091.54 2094.65 How it end up, what is the what is the ending of the movie? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2093.76 2097.01 Well the boy gets saved, but the father dies. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2097.69 2105.69 So I don't know i it created some controversies I think, because people said you shouldn't do any form of humour related to the camps, IB4010 H01 MIO036 2097.01 2097.69 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2105.69 2110.16 but it's very very moving, so I think it's anyway um Italian, so. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2096.28 2096.9 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2102.05 2102.17 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2105.33 2105.58 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2107.3 2107.53 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2110.23 2112.94 That's actually the third movie about the Second War. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2112.94 2117.69 Schindler's List, a P uh Saving Private Ryan and La Vita e Bella. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2114 2114.33 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2116.77 2117.57 Yep. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2117.57 2117.88 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2118.97 2121.32 Okay uh Denis. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2119.26 2119.61 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2121.42 2126.83 Yep, so I have uh a quite different movie to propose you. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2132.62 2134.82 Actually they are brothers, you probably know them. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2126.83 2132.62 I don't know uh it's f called The Big Lebowski from um uh Joel Coen. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2134.82 2136.67 I don't know how many of you have seen this movie. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2137.64 2137.82 No. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2141.35 2144.75 And I've seen some other films by by the Coen brothers. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2138.07 2141.35 Haven't seen it, but uh I heard it's very funny. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2138.17 2138.65 No? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2138.31 2139.46 Just partially I think. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2144.58 2147.83 Yeah, they made uh Fargo, which is in the list. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2146.87 2148.38 Yeah, which is in your table. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2148.02 2148.36 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2148.77 2149.56 And uh IB4010 H01 MIO036 2150.34 2154.69 Um the last one was the one with Catherine Zeta-Jones uh. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2153.91 2159.37 uh Cr uh Cruel Intentions, or something like that I think, or IB4010 H01 MIO036 2156.07 2157.32 Crue crue IB4010 H01 MIO036 2159.12 2162.26 Yeah, something about cruelty or very funny. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2169.44 2175.77 because it's um actually it's inspired from a movie called The Big Sleep and um IB4010 H03 MIO046 2161.25 2169.44 Okay so, I don't know how I'm going to sell you this movie, because actually the plot is impossible to make IB4010 H01 MIO036 2176.48 2177.61 A movie or a novel? IB4010 H03 MIO046 2187.27 2188.04 It's uh IB4010 H03 MIO046 2178.28 2182.05 Uh it's actually the t where I've seen that? IB4010 H03 MIO046 2182.05 2187.27 In a it's uh a movie from Raymond Chandler, The Big Sleep. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2191.55 2195.01 You see, it's the the last but one paragraph on your second page. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2188.01 2191.55 No, but they say that Raymond Chandler wrote the novel. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2191.57 2192.04 Ah okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2194.9 2196.92 So it's it's uh it's a novel, okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2194.21 2194.9 Yeah yeah yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2215.69 2223.16 and uh he's actually uh smoking pot and doing nothing, just um he's living in L. A. . IB4010 H03 MIO046 2208.05 2215.69 Okay, so it's about a a g a guy who called the D the Dude, I don't know you pronounce it, IB4010 H03 MIO046 2198.92 2208.05 But uh then the story goes that while that film was in production and director, okay, okay you're right, it was a book. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2231.23 2237.1 one one is uh an old guy from coming back from Vietnam, obsessed by Vietnam, IB4010 H03 MIO046 2237.1 2243.31 um another guy who is never speaking, and they all play together uh bowling. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2223.16 2231.23 It's uh it's a typical typical fellow from the from the suburb, and he has some friends, uh typical friends, IB4010 H01 MIO036 2199.33 2199.94 I think so. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2217.75 2217.96 Mm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2236.4 2236.71 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2243.69 2244.38 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2254.17 2259.44 Uh maybe it w maybe it's going to open the discussion on on posters as well. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2244.21 2254.17 And um the casting is very interesting, there is um okay, actually I wanted to propose you some posters related to this movie. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2274.12 2281.21 Then Turturro, and uh uh the last one is Buscemi, and I don't remember the name of the girl. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2260.67 2267.98 So actually here you on this the first poster you can see the actors from the movie, I don't know if you know some of them, IB4010 H03 MIO046 2267.98 2274.12 so Jeff Bridges at the top, uh Goodman is the second one, the b the big guy. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2268.02 2268.44 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2283.75 2283.98 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2281.58 2283.75 Mm it's Julianne Moore, isn't it? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2282.79 2283.21 Um IB4010 H03 MIO046 2283.25 2284.39 Yeah, Julianne Moore. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2284.87 2287.17 Y you wrote the paragraph on the poster? IB4010 H03 MIO046 2287.52 2291.11 Uh I I took it from I don't know where. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2291.11 2292.25 So uh IB4010 H01 MIO036 2291.04 2293.17 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2293.17 2294.91 Could be edited a bit. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2293.23 2293.5 Actu IB4010 H03 MIO046 2295.35 2298.88 Actually I'm not going to sp to describe much more The Big Lebowski, IB4010 H03 MIO046 2303.58 2312.15 but it's it's a movie, quite surrealistic, I mean there are some part that are like coming from dreams and uh IB4010 H03 MIO046 2298.88 2303.58 but uh it's quite hard to describe, it's uh it's it's a journey about this guy, IB4010 H02 MIO095 2301.08 2301.37 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2310.34 2310.66 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2310.34 2311.27 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2311.27 2313.39 Why the movie is called The Big Lebowski? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2313.39 2317.91 Why The Big uh Lebowski is his uh family name, right, but why it's called The Big IB4010 H03 MIO046 2316.87 2326.51 Yeah, it's his family name and uh actually Jeffrey Lebowski and he's he's the there is a a story with another Lebowski that yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2324.98 2326.83 Yeah, there are two Lebowskis in the film. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2324.29 2324.98 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2327.17 2329.26 And why The Big Lebowski? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2326.48 2327.17 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2329.26 2331.18 It's the it's the second one or IB4010 H03 MIO046 2327.98 2328.67 And uh IB4010 H03 MIO046 2329.72 2336.98 I I I don't remember, maybe it's just uh uh because of The Big Sleep there is uh IB4010 H01 MIO036 2336.48 2336.94 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2337.98 2338.36 Uh-huh. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2336.64 2336.96 Uh-huh. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2336.96 2337.98 Ah okay, okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2337.8 2339.76 Yeah, there should be a reference there. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2338 2340.19 I don't know, a reference. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2345.54 2347.52 We see worse people. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2347.52 2354.27 So it's kind of uh an ethnographic movie I would say, but uh and it's a modern hero, it's it's quite fun. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2354.27 2359.19 And the casting is is marvellous, so that is that's it for this movie. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2340.19 2345.54 So it's a kind of it's like American Beauty in some way, it's even worse. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2359.19 2363.69 And um I just wanted to go to the design of the poster actually. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2340.46 2340.83 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2344.01 2344.48 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2352.73 2353.46 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2360.48 2360.67 Hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2364.85 2365.51 Because IB4010 H00 FIE038 2364.96 2365.78 I quite like that. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2366.53 2367.08 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2367.08 2370.57 It's probably a bit dark for a poster, but otherwise it's very nice. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2366.8 2367.07 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2368.9 2369.14 Yep. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2370.88 2373.42 The idea is is also to discuss the content. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2378.96 2380.11 So that's the first poster. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2373.42 2378.96 Shall we put a summary of the movie or the plot, and w what kind of information do we want? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2379.54 2379.94 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2379.87 2380.21 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2381.62 2385.9 There is alo um this poster, quite dark also. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2386.53 2386.84 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2395.15 2400.64 So we said that one movie is eight Francs and three movies eighteen Francs. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2400.64 2404.62 And we can have annual subscrip subscription of sixty Francs. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2387.51 2395.15 Uh so y y I don't know if you you cannot really see, but uh mm there is the the pricing information. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2396.32 2396.77 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2403.75 2404 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2404.58 2404.89 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2406.26 2412.91 Uh I wanted to say some information to involve people on in the committee as well, if they want to take part to the committee to select movies. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2411.79 2412.23 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2414.32 2416.77 And uh what else? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2416.03 2416.65 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2417.81 2418.56 S some IB4010 H02 MIO095 2424.02 2430.42 The Big Lebowski it's clear that it's a movie and uh I guess the people can remember that it was a movie at least IB4010 H02 MIO095 2418.12 2424.02 I think this is not bad, because they say something little bit about our uh movie club and uh, yeah IB4010 H02 MIO095 2430.42 2431.58 even if they haven't see it. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2431.96 2435.71 Looks like a C. D. cover. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2432.36 2434.09 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2434.36 2435.03 CD cover. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2434.85 2441.27 Yeah, actually the idea was to s yeah, there is at the bottom the a scene from one of these dream of The Big Lebowski. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2441.4 2441.76 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2441.76 2442.76 Oh okay, it's a dream. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2442.84 2449.92 And uh the the first part is actually y you see a cowboy and the the hero, the Jeffrey Lebowski, the Dude. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2457.37 2463.53 and he's e explaining what kind of movie uh you are going to to see. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2449.92 2452.89 And the cowboy, it's actually at the beginning of the movie, IB4010 H03 MIO046 2452.89 2457.37 the c the cowboy introduce the story, and he's coming back at the end of the story IB4010 H02 MIO095 2443.19 2443.52 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2449.69 2450.07 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2449.88 2450.16 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2457.41 2457.89 Oh okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2462.03 2465.73 Okay, sounds a bit crazy. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2466.37 2468.64 And last posters IB4010 H01 MIO036 2468.14 2468.36 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2470.79 2470.98 Hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2473.52 2483.33 So same principle, but I w I don't know, I w I was thinking of adding some some um cita quotations of uh well known directors. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2473.65 2474.09 Uh-huh. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2479.91 2480.12 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2484.57 2485.31 And uh IB4010 H01 MIO036 2484.78 2489.29 I like it because it's not so dark, so the images are a bit um brighter. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2489.25 2495.78 Yeah, but I on the contrary I would say there is too many colours and uh it's difficult to read and uh IB4010 H00 FIE038 2491.39 2493.16 It looks like two yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2489.73 2491.39 I actually don't like it. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2493.16 2495.56 It's it looks like two separate posters. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2497.64 2504.81 Although I think you can mix I would keep the format of the first one, add the quotes and the content information from the second one. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2497.75 2498.85 Yeah, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2505.38 2505.66 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2504.6 2505.38 Yeah. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2505.71 2506.85 Yeah, that would be the best. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2514.87 2519.08 put the the information you had in the second poster about the movie club, IB4010 H00 FIE038 2519.08 2524.23 how to join, kind of in the middle and keep this title and everything just slightly higher up. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2507.14 2514.87 So take those take those quotes, get rid of that section of text, put those quotes in there IB4010 H01 MIO036 2511.52 2511.92 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2512.64 2512.91 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2514.76 2515.13 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2520.23 2520.57 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2520.58 2520.89 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2524.55 2525.62 Okay, I see. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2526.23 2533.92 Wh what about a brighter background, because this one, I don't know how it would show on a wall or something like this. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2533.92 2535.82 It doesn't really catch your attention. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2536.29 2538.09 I think it does. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2538.09 2545.73 I think the contrast between the the the strip of film and or the strip of pictures and everything else is IB4010 H03 MIO046 2537.71 2538.21 And yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2537.73 2538 'Kay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2541.4 2541.62 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2545.21 2545.59 Mm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2547 2547.58 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2547.58 2548.04 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2547.62 2553.84 Okay, I see what I wanted is more or less to know the content of the movie, uh what y you want to have on the poster. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2554.02 2554.37 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2554.23 2554.69 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2557.15 2557.66 Th IB4010 H01 MIO036 2554.69 2557.15 No, the content was very good in the second one. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2554.96 2556.34 Because we di we IB4010 H03 MIO046 2557.89 2559.11 Okay, on that one. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2564.67 2571.15 and then maybe add the quotes that you had from the from the famous directors sort of at the bottom or something. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2571.15 2571.44 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2559.8 2564.67 Yeah, so take all of that content throw it up into the first one IB4010 H01 MIO036 2560.55 2562.44 Yeah, all this information is very good. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2561.19 2563.53 Yeah, all this information and put into the first one. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2563.53 2563.85 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2564.13 2564.37 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2568.92 2569.27 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2569.59 2571.04 Oh or just one of them. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2570.27 2573 If if they fit there if they fit there, you will see. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2572.16 2572.44 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2573.41 2575.94 Okay, great. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2575.94 2578.07 So I think now we have to decide for a movie. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2578.62 2579.6 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2578.67 2579.21 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2579.67 2580.54 And um IB4010 H01 MIO036 2581.28 2583.11 Oh yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2583.11 2583.29 W IB4010 H03 MIO046 2581.75 2581.92 Yep. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2583.67 2584.27 So IB4010 H01 MIO036 2584.55 2585.98 I I would suggest IB4010 H02 MIO095 2586.42 2587.89 So Big Lebowski. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2591.3 2592.78 We make a list and then we vote. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2587.48 2591.3 if it's not too long, maybe each of us could nominate one or two movies. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2592.07 2593.17 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2593.17 2594.01 Okay, good idea. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2595.06 2595.69 What do you think? IB4010 H03 MIO046 2597.16 2597.73 I th IB4010 H03 MIO046 2595.86 2597.16 Yep. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2596.82 2600.13 So who wants so, Mirek, what do you nominate? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2603.58 2607.23 I yes, yeah, I I would like to uh, yeah, at least to have it uh in the IB4010 H02 MIO095 2599.5 2603.58 So I'm really convinced by The Big Lebowski. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2603.44 2604.32 You are? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2604.32 2604.8 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2608.28 2610.23 In the nominees, okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2610.23 2611.58 Another nominee? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2609.09 2614.44 in the nominees, exactly and uh I'm trying to remember all of them. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2612.39 2613.53 Usual Suspects. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2614.5 2616.82 Okay, Agnes, Usual Suspects. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2616.48 2620.63 Mainly because only two of us have seen it and it's not a mainstream movie IB4010 H00 FIE038 2620.63 2624.02 so I don't think a lot of people would have seen it to begin with. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2619.63 2620.05 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2629.36 2633.33 Um I would nominate, well okay, my candidate, Saving Private Ryan. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2625.39 2629.36 Well you can nominate one or two, so that we or whatever. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2624.61 2625.39 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2639.74 2642.85 Uh I would nominate also Pulp Fiction, because it's a very good movie. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2636.68 2639.74 And uh I'm happy with your nominations too. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2646.72 2651.57 Um Denis, so your yours is already nominated, but you want IB4010 H03 MIO046 2647.83 2649.29 I would nominate uh IB4010 H03 MIO046 2651.3 2652.44 American Beauty as well. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2652.72 2653.09 Yeah. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2652.95 2653.19 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2654.12 2655.15 And um IB4010 H03 MIO046 2658.68 2662.98 and I would be okay with Saving Private Ryan, it's it's it can IB4010 H01 MIO036 2662.44 2664.46 Okay, so it's already on the list. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2663.03 2664.28 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2665.65 2672.47 And then I'm still hesitating between the Schindler's List and the S uh Silence of the Lambs. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2672.1 2672.6 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2673.3 2679.05 May I nominate uh these all these three movies, Big Lebowski, Schindler's List and the Silence of the Lambs? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2676.53 2677.22 Yeah, if you want. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2681.91 2682.4 So IB4010 H01 MIO036 2689.11 2693.79 Um if you have a good short term memory that should be okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2693.79 2695.41 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2704.57 2709.26 Should we vote just for one film or should each of us say give IB4010 H01 MIO036 2703.28 2704.57 So now let's vote. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2695.41 2703.28 So uh Big Lebowski, Usual Suspects, Saving Private Ryan, Pulp Fiction, American Beauty, Schindler's List and Silence of the Lambs. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2685.3 2689.11 so we have uh seven candidates. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2689.1 2689.51 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2690.67 2695.11 So you reduced that by what, two? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2711.2 2711.47 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2708.63 2711.2 So eliminate first eliminate first? IB4010 H03 MIO046 2709.52 2714.06 Or we can eliminate first one one movie each, and then we s and then we select. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2717.31 2721.73 because I don't or i is it possible to put them on the on the on the uh whiteboard? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2713.95 2717.31 I'm sorry, could you go t uh uh uh once again through uh the list of the movies IB4010 H01 MIO036 2714.83 2715.24 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2717.13 2719.24 So Big Lebowski IB4010 H01 MIO036 2720.58 2721.04 Alright. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2723.67 2725.28 Uh you can write on your paper maybe. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2724.35 2730.4 Okay, okay, so the Schindler's list, The Usual Suspects, uh Silence of the Lambs, uh Big Lebowski, okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2730.06 2732.42 American Beauty and IB4010 H01 MIO036 2731.43 2732.89 And Saving Private Ryan. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2735.16 2735.52 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2736.44 2737.54 Saving Private Ryan. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2738.29 2738.66 So IB4010 H00 FIE038 2738.36 2739.24 Wait I'm missing one. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2739.24 2741.32 What am I missing, Pulp Fiction? IB4010 H00 FIE038 2742.31 2742.87 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2741.32 2742.31 Was that one of them? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2739.55 2740.36 One, two. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2741.51 2743.51 Yeah, Pulp Fiction, yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2743.51 2746.2 Okay, so each of us chooses one to eliminate. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2742.4 2743.55 Pulp Fiction, okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2743.3 2743.68 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2746.44 2749.4 I have seven. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2746.6 2748.76 I have six I have six. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2750.16 2752.33 Okay, we American Beauty. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2748.76 2750.16 How many? IB4010 H03 MIO046 2746.66 2747.62 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2747.62 2751.07 That's a bit cruel, but uh that's I think a good way. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2752.31 2752.6 Denis? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2751.38 2752.31 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2752.87 2756.53 Me, I would remove Silence of the Lambs because I think it's too violent. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2756.77 2757.61 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2757.61 2759.52 I will just remove it this way. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2759.52 2761.08 Um um IB4010 H01 MIO036 2764.82 2767.82 I would remove Schindler's List because it's too sad. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2767.95 2768.45 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2768.22 2768.5 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2769.8 2773.82 Well, it's not very good reason, but IB4010 H00 FIE038 2773.84 2774.54 Pulp Fiction. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2775.37 2776.13 Oh, too bad. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2776.15 2777.61 Yeah, and I would eliminate IB4010 H03 MIO046 2776.76 2780.41 And you have a reason for it or Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2778.29 2780.59 I'm not a huge fan of Quentin Tarantino. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2780.59 2781.85 And it didn't make a good impression. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2780.52 2783.81 And I would eliminate Pulp Fiction actually as well if so IB4010 H02 MIO095 2780.07 2780.52 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2783.6 2791.06 Maybe you can eliminate another one, you can no? IB4010 H02 MIO095 2785.2 2786.13 Another one. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2786.13 2789.44 Because it because it would be Saving Private Ryan. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2785.35 2787.3 No, no. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2787.3 2797.04 Well I mean leave someth okay, so we're left with The Big Lebowski, Usual Suspects, Saving Private Ryan and American Beauty. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2786.65 2789.31 Really eliminate Pulp Fiction. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2789.31 2790.76 It's gone. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2798.12 2801.23 Okay, so let's vote just simply for one, for the moment. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2802.96 2803.16 Mm. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2803.02 2807.47 So I would vote for American Beauty, because I haven't seen it. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2807.99 2809.21 I vote for Big Lebowski. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2808 2808.9 W IB4010 H00 FIE038 2810.16 2812.91 We're all gonna vote for something different. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2816.1 2816.94 Agnes, Denis? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2810.99 2816.1 Um so Mirek, Big Lebowski. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2817.78 2821.95 Agnes, you v IB4010 H00 FIE038 2818.2 2821.91 I I still like The Usual Suspects, but I like American Beauty too. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2823.75 2824.11 So. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2825.5 2827.68 Uh IB4010 H03 MIO046 2827.12 2827.58 O IB4010 H02 MIO095 2827.97 2829.17 Make a decision. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2830.57 2831.57 Usual Suspects. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2836.73 2840.33 yeah, you can choose. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2837.48 2842.65 Okay, now I have the if we want okay, if we want to take a okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2839.68 2840.94 You have the deciding vote. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2841.24 2843.29 Y you're the president maybe after all uh. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2843.75 2843.95 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2843.88 2847.76 Okay, so I'll go with The Big Lebowski, since the posters are already ready. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2847.78 2849.54 Already ready yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2848.86 2850.92 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2850.92 2853.12 Yeah, I think I'm quite fine. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2852.56 2853.13 That's fine. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2853.4 2853.87 So IB4010 H00 FIE038 2854.22 2857.23 It'll make a good change from the other ones. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2860.08 2860.39 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2854.87 2860.08 Is it a b yeah, I think at least it's funny and uh that's nice. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2855.88 2856.49 Yeah, I think. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2861.83 2862.22 So. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2863.31 2863.7 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2863.35 2864.12 Decision. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2863.38 2864.75 So it's gonna to be Big Lebowski? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2866.31 2866.77 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2867.56 2867.89 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2869.16 2872.55 That's your fault, Mirek. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2870.55 2873.62 If you don't like it it's your problem. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2873.58 2875.47 No no no no no, I I like it, I like it. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2874.24 2877.12 No, no, no, I mean yeah, it's you voted for it. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2877.12 2879.46 But I'm quite happy with it, I haven't seen it. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2876.58 2878.84 So we have other anyway. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2878.84 2882.2 So can we decide for uh a next meeting maybe? IB4010 H00 FIE038 2878.91 2879.14 Yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2883.16 2886.6 Well, beginning of May I guess, to choose the film for May. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2886.6 2887.15 Is that IB4010 H00 FIE038 2886.26 2886.53 Yeah. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2886.52 2886.86 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2889.06 2892.13 Okay, beginning of May, but there are there is plenty of holidays at the beginning of May, no? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2895.58 2897.98 What's that, going up to the sky? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2892.85 2895.58 Yeah, the fifth is um Ascension. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2896.08 2896.56 Ascension? IB4010 H00 FIE038 2897.46 2898.05 Ascension. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2902.72 2903.26 It's okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2898.23 2902.72 Okay, o or we'll decide after the projection of the movie the date. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2902.64 2907.43 Yeah, we can do it like the Tuesday before the Ascensions and that's May third. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2907.78 2908.41 Mm-hmm. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2908.41 2909.69 Okay, okay, no problem. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2908.38 2909.66 Okay okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2908.53 2908.96 Mm 'kay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2916.97 2917.96 So yeah. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2917.96 2920.88 So thanks for the posters actually, Denis, they are very nice. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2917.83 2918.3 Good. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2920.17 2920.87 You're welcome. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2925.17 2925.62 Thank you. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2923.86 2925.17 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2924.49 2924.67 Okay. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2925.36 2926.15 Okay. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2926.75 2928.23 And uh see you at the projection? IB4010 H01 MIO036 2927.85 2932.77 See you on what, April twenty sixth, or what's the mm twenty ninth. IB4010 H01 MIO036 2932.77 2933.17 Okay. IB4010 H00 FIE038 2930.44 2932.16 Ninth, ninth? IB4010 H00 FIE038 2932.16 2933.17 Yeah, twenty ninth. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2930.66 2931.87 No, twenty ninth. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2932 2932.58 Twenty nine. IB4010 H03 MIO046 2933.18 2933.53 Okay. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2935.55 2937.86 I want to see it. IB4010 H02 MIO095 2933.72 2935.55 Really looking forward. IB4011 H01 MIO036 30.41 33.46 It's just that I need uh some some white paper. IB4011 H00 FIE038 34.49 35.6 Are you gonna take the minutes? IB4011 H01 MIO036 35.89 36.4 Uh yes. IB4011 H03 MIO046 38 39 Um IB4011 H03 MIO046 36.18 38 Yep. IB4011 H00 FIE038 36.7 36.9 Good. IB4011 H03 MIO046 41.51 44.59 So hello everybody. IB4011 H03 MIO046 44.59 49.24 So uh you everybody had the a agenda for today, you received it or IB4011 H00 FIE038 43.64 44.13 Hello. IB4011 H02 MIO095 44.77 45.06 Hello. IB4011 H01 MIO036 45.46 46.45 Um, hello? IB4011 H00 FIE038 48.48 51.54 Um I don't, do you have an extra copy? IB4011 H00 FIE038 51.54 52.33 Thanks. IB4011 H03 MIO046 51.07 51.23 Yep. IB4011 H03 MIO046 53.66 61.39 So the goal for today is to decide for a movie to project at the end of the month, so for this month of of April, IB4011 H03 MIO046 72.47 75.48 So first we have to decide for um a movie. IB4011 H03 MIO046 61.39 72.47 and also discuss the content for an adver advertising posters and um I I will present you three des different design, we'll discuss it. IB4011 H02 MIO095 66.68 66.83 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 72.59 73.05 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 76.34 79.4 So I think we all prepared documents. IB4011 H00 FIE038 79.92 80.01 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 80.11 80.29 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 80.31 81.01 Yes, I did. IB4011 H03 MIO046 81.38 85.62 So I propose that we start with uh presentation Agnes uh sent. IB4011 H00 FIE038 84.98 85.49 Sure. IB4011 H00 FIE038 122.76 130.94 some movies in the nineties did actually have twists that people came out saying, never saw that coming, I didn't know that that was gonna happen. IB4011 H00 FIE038 103.32 113.04 So for this month I propose doing something different, preferably something set in the present, um something maybe dramatic but slightly less serious. IB4011 H00 FIE038 113.04 116.11 So what I'd propose is actually a thriller or a mystery. IB4011 H00 FIE038 98.41 103.32 which were all historical, serious, dramatic and somewhat actiony movies. IB4011 H00 FIE038 116.11 122.76 And while these days people are so jaded by general movies that they tend not to be surprised by the endings in mysteries, IB4011 H00 FIE038 90.54 98.41 Okay, so the previous movies that we've done this year were Lawrence of Arabia, Apop Apocalypse Now and Amadeus, IB4011 H00 FIE038 162.22 167.71 Um is has a fairly large cast, notably Kevin Spacey, Gabriel Byrne, IB4011 H00 FIE038 131.72 136.13 And so what I'm gonna do is present you two of those movies, and before anyone says that, well, IB4011 H00 FIE038 140.66 145.56 because a lot of people like to re-watch movies um to see where the clues were, IB4011 H00 FIE038 173.48 175.72 It was written by Quist Christopher McQuarrie. IB4011 H00 FIE038 157.4 162.22 Um The Usual Suspects is slightly less mainstream. IB4011 H00 FIE038 167.71 173.48 um and it was directed by Bryan Singer, it's one of his earlier movies I think. IB4011 H00 FIE038 152.97 157.4 What I'd propose is either The Usual Suspects or The Sixth Sense. IB4011 H00 FIE038 136.13 140.66 if you know th how the movie ends, you're not gonna wanna see it again, that's not necessarily the case IB4011 H00 FIE038 149.72 152.97 Um so if you can go to the next slide. IB4011 H00 FIE038 145.56 149.72 what they missed, things they didn't pay attention to the first time around. IB4011 H01 MIO036 153.41 153.52 Mm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 176.57 184.41 Um and according to Rolling Stone it's the freshest, funniest and scariest crime thril thriller to come along since Pulp Fiction. IB4011 H00 FIE038 184.41 191.61 Uh The Sixth Sense on the other hand is a more commercial movie with its famous line, I see dead people. IB4011 H00 FIE038 191.61 199.12 Um it was written and directed by M. Night uh Shyamalan and stars Bruce Willis, Haley Joel Osment and Toni Collette IB4011 H00 FIE038 207 207.75 what it means. IB4011 H00 FIE038 199.12 207 and it's about a little boy who sees dead people and i he sees a child psychologist to try to get him to understand why he sees the dead people IB4011 H01 MIO036 184.46 184.89 Ah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 208.09 208.42 Hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 208.18 210.08 And actually the psychologist is dead. IB4011 H00 FIE038 215.93 216.49 Um IB4011 H00 FIE038 210.77 215.93 Now that you've given away the twist, yes. IB4011 H01 MIO036 213.28 215.45 No, but we're the clubbers, but IB4011 H01 MIO036 234.41 236.82 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 216.44 225.81 Agnes, uh I was just wondering, uh I see uh I have here Denis's table, and when they say that it's the freshest whatever since Pulp Fiction, IB4011 H01 MIO036 225.81 234.41 well that's probably not a very long time, because Pulp Fiction is ninety four and Usual Suspects is ninety five. IB4011 H01 MIO036 236.82 237.31 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 218.35 218.79 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 221.25 221.69 Yep. IB4011 H03 MIO046 229.94 230.23 Mm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 245.13 250.47 Um the length for The Usual Suspects um is a hundred and five minutes. IB4011 H00 FIE038 254.86 261.89 It has an R. rating, which means that at least in the in North America it was not recommended for people under eighteen, IB4011 H00 FIE038 278.12 280.72 And the big mystery of the movie is who's controlling the events. IB4011 H00 FIE038 266.13 273.67 Um plot outline uh five villains in New York are rounded up by the police in an unconventional manner that worries them. IB4011 H00 FIE038 273.67 278.12 After release they get together for a spot of revenge, but someone else is controlling events. IB4011 H00 FIE038 261.89 266.13 'cause it's fairly violent, but not so violent as other movies. IB4011 H00 FIE038 233.14 238.17 Send your complaints to Rolling Stone. IB4011 H00 FIE038 238.17 245.13 So on the next couple of slides I'll just go through some of um more detailed stuff that we might need for administrative purposes. IB4011 H00 FIE038 250.47 254.86 Uh as you can s well, as Andrei already said, it's n nineteen ninety five. IB4011 H00 FIE038 296.08 302.3 Um it won several Academy Awards, including best supporting actor and best writing, IB4011 H00 FIE038 309.37 312.33 So it got a fair bit of recognition despite not being IB4011 H00 FIE038 281.41 286.04 Um it got an eight point seven out of ten user rating on the Internet Movie Database IB4011 H00 FIE038 286.04 289.67 it's sixteenth in the top two hundred and fifty movies of all time, IB4011 H00 FIE038 289.67 296.08 forth in Denis's list of the top movies of the nineteen nineties, which I think was also taken from I. M. D. B. . IB4011 H00 FIE038 302.3 309.37 um best film for the British equivalent of the Academy Awards, it was nominated for a Cesar for best foreign film. IB4011 H03 MIO046 295.18 295.37 Yep. IB4011 H01 MIO036 295.8 296.08 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 310.49 310.79 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 313.48 319.36 um a very mainstream, high budget movie, or maybe because it wasn't a mainstream, high budget movie. IB4011 H03 MIO046 319.83 323.39 So wha what will be your argument for projecting this movie? IB4011 H00 FIE038 324.18 327.39 I don't think a lot of people have seen it, in fact, other than IB4011 H02 MIO095 328.93 329.7 I haven't see it. IB4011 H00 FIE038 328.98 331.89 you haven't seen it, you haven't seen it, you've seen it. IB4011 H01 MIO036 330.04 331.17 I haven't seen it. IB4011 H03 MIO046 331.99 332.27 Yep. IB4011 H00 FIE038 338.76 339.1 What? IB4011 H00 FIE038 332.98 338.76 And don't think a lot of people have seen it, it's not a very very well known movie. IB4011 H03 MIO046 339.78 341.32 It's very well known. IB4011 H03 MIO046 341.32 341.57 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 340.93 341.22 Is it? IB4011 H02 MIO095 341.76 343.14 it's a IB4011 H01 MIO036 342.71 343.07 Really? IB4011 H03 MIO046 344.44 346.86 It's one of the most well known thriller. IB4011 H03 MIO046 343.6 344.44 I think, yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 343.62 343.87 See? IB4011 H00 FIE038 347.44 347.83 Really? IB4011 H00 FIE038 348.88 351.93 That surprises me, I always got the impression that it was IB4011 H01 MIO036 349.18 349.52 Oh. IB4011 H01 MIO036 350.63 351.78 It's it's hard to tell. IB4011 H01 MIO036 354.02 356.05 That's mine, but uh IB4011 H01 MIO036 353.35 354.02 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 351.78 353.35 So that's your impression. IB4011 H03 MIO046 351.09 351.31 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 354.32 360.5 But it's it's rated four fourth in uh in the list and one hundred one hundred thousand IB4011 H03 MIO046 352.96 354.32 That's my impression, yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 357.82 358.84 Well, it's a good movie. IB4011 H00 FIE038 356.54 357.82 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 358.9 360.92 How many people voted for it, yeah? IB4011 H01 MIO036 360.92 361.42 That's true. IB4011 H01 MIO036 358.08 358.9 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 361.39 361.84 seen it. IB4011 H02 MIO095 363.73 364.61 One hundred and two. IB4011 H02 MIO095 364.61 366.16 For for voted for it, yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 361.89 363.73 One hundred thousand. IB4011 H00 FIE038 361.97 362.33 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 363.75 364.45 Voted for it. IB4011 H03 MIO046 366.26 373.09 Voted for it, and I think only two other mov uh no, f three other movies uh have uh have more votes. IB4011 H02 MIO095 373.17 373.58 More votes? IB4011 H02 MIO095 373.58 375.5 Yeah, it's it seems to be quite popular. IB4011 H00 FIE038 374.09 374.3 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 376.6 379.99 So but I think the main thing is it's got a good twist at the end and IB4011 H02 MIO095 379.88 380.55 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 381.25 383.77 it's it's an interesting movie to watch. IB4011 H01 MIO036 384.39 384.51 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 384.75 385.14 Okay. IB4011 H00 FIE038 387.72 389.88 More or less the same thing for The Sixth Sense. IB4011 H00 FIE038 385.51 387.72 Um so if you go to the next slide. IB4011 H00 FIE038 389.88 393.87 It's slightly newer, nineteen ninety nine, more or less the same amount of time. IB4011 H00 FIE038 393.87 400.54 It has a lower rating, 'cause it's less violent, but it depends what audience we are gonna have at the showings. IB4011 H01 MIO036 397.31 397.7 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 399.64 403.39 Isn't violent at all in fact, or it's more like scary or IB4011 H00 FIE038 401.93 409.24 It has it's scary and I think it has some sort of slight violence, but. IB4011 H01 MIO036 404.4 404.67 Uh-huh. IB4011 H03 MIO046 409.67 414.54 But the kid is seeing dead people, I mean is uh it's quite uh IB4011 H00 FIE038 412.58 415.93 Yeah, but they're not violently dead. IB4011 H03 MIO046 415.14 418.51 No, but it's quite uh morbid you can say that? IB4011 H03 MIO046 418.51 419.39 Yeah, morbid. IB4011 H01 MIO036 416.9 419.83 Scary or yeah, mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 419.83 420.84 Creepy or IB4011 H00 FIE038 430.89 436.93 hundred first in the top two hundred fifty, it was nominated for a lot of awards, it didn't win IB4011 H00 FIE038 424.14 430.89 Um um it's nineteenth in the top movies of the nineties, IB4011 H00 FIE038 417.19 424.14 It's it's morbid and it's creepy, but it's not violent as in people being sliced in half or anything like that. IB4011 H03 MIO046 422.23 422.47 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 422.76 423.02 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 446.34 451.12 Nevertheless still a good movie, still a good twist at the end, which Denis already gave away. IB4011 H00 FIE038 438.08 439.05 as many. IB4011 H00 FIE038 439.05 446.34 Might have won more sort of minor awards, but at least the Academy Awards, it was nominated for five of them, um but didn't win. IB4011 H01 MIO036 438.16 438.6 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 450 452.35 They don't remember. IB4011 H02 MIO095 450.6 451.02 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 452.68 454.13 Good. IB4011 H00 FIE038 454.13 456.48 Um so those would be my two choices. IB4011 H01 MIO036 455.09 456 Have you seen it? IB4011 H03 MIO046 456.27 456.48 Yep. IB4011 H01 MIO036 457.8 458.1 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 460.59 463.88 So what was you criteria for selecting this movie or IB4011 H00 FIE038 464.04 468.11 Let it's a sort of different style from the other movies we've seen, and they have a twist, IB4011 H00 FIE038 472.42 476.8 It's at least out of those two movies I came out thinking, oh cool, okay. IB4011 H00 FIE038 468.11 472.42 so it's not your general movie where you just kind of sit through it and go, oh okay, get up and leave. IB4011 H03 MIO046 475 478.53 But then it's only at the at the end that it it becomes a good movie. IB4011 H01 MIO036 475.62 475.96 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 478.79 479.84 Yeah, but IB4011 H00 FIE038 481.12 483.09 I mean that's a good thing, right? IB4011 H03 MIO046 482.6 484.28 Only because of the of the end. IB4011 H01 MIO036 483.12 483.55 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 485.8 489.85 I I've heard some people in the in the theatre saying, oh now we have to see it again. IB4011 H00 FIE038 486.16 486.67 Yes. IB4011 H00 FIE038 490.34 490.65 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 491.34 491.5 Ah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 491.99 497.25 Which is a good marketing ploy, if you think about it. IB4011 H03 MIO046 493.46 498.94 But then if you asked them five minutes ago okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 494.78 496.11 If we show it twice. IB4011 H01 MIO036 498.82 499.13 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 501.87 503.53 Ah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 503.53 504.34 Great. IB4011 H01 MIO036 499.13 501.87 So is Bruce Willis the child psychologist? IB4011 H00 FIE038 501.29 507.19 Yeah, Bruce Willis is and the kid is really good, who plays the the main character. IB4011 H03 MIO046 503.08 503.2 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 504.98 505.34 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 507.64 512.13 It's the guy who then played in uh Artificial Intelligence or something like this, mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 507.01 507.64 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 510.76 511.58 Yeah, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 514.14 514.89 Great. IB4011 H00 FIE038 514.61 515.66 Same guy. IB4011 H03 MIO046 516.13 519.57 Okay, so uh I think, Mirek, you prepared a presentation also. IB4011 H03 MIO046 519.57 520.85 We can have a look. IB4011 H02 MIO095 519.47 519.83 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 521.11 527.3 So my presentation is not that detailed, I just uh put there seven uh highly uh ranked movies, IB4011 H02 MIO095 527.3 532.63 and we can just try to g uh go very quickly through all of them, just to re remind you them IB4011 H02 MIO095 532.63 536.78 and then we can perhaps consider another p uh potential candidates. IB4011 H03 MIO046 537.57 539.64 Sorry, it's control L. IB4011 H02 MIO095 544.47 552.67 so the movies that I have selected as as very good uh good ranked movies uh are uh uh are on the screen so uh Shaw The Shawshank Redemption, IB4011 H02 MIO095 544.23 544.47 Okay IB4011 H02 MIO095 558.04 561.97 Uh so perhaps we can go to the to the f to the first movie. IB4011 H02 MIO095 552.67 558.04 Schindler's List, Usual Suspects, Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas, Silence of the Lambs and American Beauty. IB4011 H02 MIO095 561.97 570.96 Uh The Shawshank Redempt uh Redemption um actually I didn't see that movie, so is there someone else who have seen this movie? IB4011 H01 MIO036 544.71 544.91 Mm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 571.89 572.51 No. IB4011 H01 MIO036 572.07 573.37 Uh me neither. IB4011 H00 FIE038 574.13 576.66 I've heard a lot of really good things about it, but IB4011 H02 MIO095 574.15 575.21 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 574.35 574.55 I thi IB4011 H03 MIO046 575.92 578.89 I have s I have seen it, but I don't remember it. IB4011 H03 MIO046 578.89 580.11 Which is not good. IB4011 H01 MIO036 577.48 581.83 So uh I was told that in French it was called uh Les Evadees. IB4011 H02 MIO095 578.37 579.47 mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 582.13 582.46 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 590.95 595.38 changes when he uh he's uh convicted and jailed for the murder of his wife, IB4011 H02 MIO095 600.3 606.44 So that's uh what it says, okay, we can't tell much more, because basically none of us have seen it. IB4011 H02 MIO095 584 590.95 Okay, the plot outline says that the life of Andy uh Dufresne Duf okay, of Andy IB4011 H02 MIO095 595.38 600.3 and the user comment says it's simply amazing, the best uh film of the nineties. IB4011 H01 MIO036 590.22 590.55 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 605.78 607.82 Should we should we believe this? IB4011 H03 MIO046 606.66 608.16 But the rating is very good then. IB4011 H02 MIO095 624.84 630.08 and he witnesses the uh horrors uh endured by the Jews and starts to save them. IB4011 H02 MIO095 608.22 610.46 Mm-hmm, yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 630.08 638.75 User comment says, a film for all to see and learn, and I think it's really something what is very serious uh theme and uh yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 618.91 624.84 Uh the plot outline is that the Oskar Schindler uh uses Jews to uh start a factory in Poland during the war IB4011 H02 MIO095 613.24 618.91 it's from the St uh Steven Spielberg and it's about the Second War uh Sec Second World War. IB4011 H02 MIO095 610.46 613.24 So the second one is a Schindler's list, it's more serious movie IB4011 H00 FIE038 609.29 609.64 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 639.84 643.05 So that's a Schindler's List, um we can perhaps do you have some comments? IB4011 H02 MIO095 643.96 646.91 I think it's really good movie, it's uh it's quite long actually, IB4011 H02 MIO095 643.05 643.96 I I have seen it. IB4011 H02 MIO095 646.91 652.33 I can't uh here I didn't put the the minutes, but I think it's it's at least about three hours. IB4011 H00 FIE038 649.05 651.33 Yeah, I think it's about three hours long, something like that. IB4011 H00 FIE038 652.36 655.12 And it's a heavy movie, I it's emotional, it's IB4011 H01 MIO036 653.5 653.98 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 656.74 657.01 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 656.77 659.81 It you know if it's to uh if it received some award? IB4011 H02 MIO095 660.19 662.38 No, I don't know, I don't know, unfortunately. IB4011 H03 MIO046 660.49 660.98 Or IB4011 H03 MIO046 661.67 662.92 Probably no? IB4011 H03 MIO046 662.92 664.4 Yeah, I think also but uh IB4011 H00 FIE038 661.92 662.8 I think it did. IB4011 H00 FIE038 665.16 667.31 Either for director if not for best picture. IB4011 H01 MIO036 669.72 670.09 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 667.34 669.72 Yeah, maybe even best picture, yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 668.42 669.49 But I would expect it. IB4011 H02 MIO095 669.49 671.07 I would expect it. IB4011 H02 MIO095 671.07 672.43 Okay, so if you can go to the IB4011 H03 MIO046 669.69 670.19 Yeah yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 672.4 677.73 But yeah, indeed, it's maybe too sad and too, yeah, too poignant for IB4011 H03 MIO046 676.64 679.66 Well, it's a true story also, uh so. IB4011 H02 MIO095 679.16 684.48 It's it's yeah, I would say that the user comment says everything, a film to see and to learn. IB4011 H02 MIO095 678.22 679.16 It's a true story, yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 678.67 679.05 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 679.8 680.27 Well IB4011 H03 MIO046 684.95 686.41 And to remember maybe, or IB4011 H02 MIO095 686.15 687.48 And to remember as well, yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 686.45 686.9 Mm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 689.06 691.07 Okay, th so the third one is The Usual Suspects. IB4011 H02 MIO095 698.71 700.16 So let's go to the to the other one. IB4011 H02 MIO095 695.01 698.71 because it was this this is the one already commented by Agnes. IB4011 H02 MIO095 691.07 695.01 So I think I I wouldn't uh I don't want to comment it again, so we can just skip that IB4011 H02 MIO095 701.32 702.33 Pulp Fiction. IB4011 H02 MIO095 702.33 709.48 I would say that's that's like a classical movies of of nineties, uh it's uh directed by Quentin Tarantino IB4011 H02 MIO095 709.48 711.42 it's a it's a crime and drama, IB4011 H02 MIO095 711.42 718.45 it's a a there i there are several s several stories that are just mixed up during the during the movie, and uh IB4011 H03 MIO046 716.27 716.66 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 719.85 724.1 yeah, it's a real classical movie, I would say almost nowadays. IB4011 H02 MIO095 724.1 724.79 So IB4011 H01 MIO036 724.6 724.93 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 724.61 725.77 So who has seen it? IB4011 H03 MIO046 725.77 726.84 Agnes, you've seen it? IB4011 H00 FIE038 726.31 727.02 Yeah, I've seen it. IB4011 H01 MIO036 728.85 734.13 Yeah it's it's very good and it's a bit violent, but it's also quite funny I think. IB4011 H01 MIO036 727.36 728.85 Yeah, I've seen it too. IB4011 H02 MIO095 727.69 728.27 I've seen it. IB4011 H03 MIO046 728.87 729.63 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 729.18 729.92 So all of us. IB4011 H02 MIO095 734.04 738.16 Sure, sure, you can see it several times, because I mean the first time you cannot catch all the details IB4011 H02 MIO095 738.16 741.02 and then i when you see it second times and third times it's IB4011 H01 MIO036 734.85 735.82 It's a IB4011 H03 MIO046 738.21 739.05 And it's IB4011 H01 MIO036 740.08 740.53 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 743.58 744.2 So uh IB4011 H03 MIO046 740.7 743.58 it's the comeback from of uh John Travolta, no? IB4011 H00 FIE038 743.78 746.31 Yeah, yeah, that was his comeback movie, yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 748.49 749.27 I would say good comeback. IB4011 H02 MIO095 744.27 748.49 It's big comeback, yeah, big comeback of John Travolta, yes. IB4011 H03 MIO046 745.61 746.59 Big comeback, yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 748.61 750.1 Bruce Willis is there also. IB4011 H02 MIO095 751.76 752.65 Who is there? IB4011 H02 MIO095 750.45 751.76 Yes. IB4011 H02 MIO095 752.65 752.8 Huh. IB4011 H01 MIO036 750.8 751.12 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 751.16 751.42 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 751.61 752 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 753.58 754.49 the boxer. IB4011 H03 MIO046 753.88 754.65 Um IB4011 H03 MIO046 756.02 756.29 Sorry? IB4011 H01 MIO036 756.87 757.09 Pardon? IB4011 H02 MIO095 757.36 759.24 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bruce Willis is there as a boxer, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 758.24 758.99 Yeah, as the boxer. IB4011 H03 MIO046 759.36 762.1 And what's the name of the girl on the poster. IB4011 H02 MIO095 762.9 763.4 Um IB4011 H03 MIO046 763.08 763.91 Um IB4011 H00 FIE038 763.24 765.43 It's Uma Thurman, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 763.42 764.92 Uh Uma Thurman. IB4011 H03 MIO046 764.55 766.11 Uma Thurman, okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 765.04 766.04 Yes. IB4011 H02 MIO095 767.77 770.78 Okay, so that's Pulp Fiction, definitely should be considered uh. IB4011 H03 MIO046 769.17 769.65 Yep. IB4011 H03 MIO046 770.56 780.12 So on the list I I brought on the docu on my document, the two movies, Pulp Fiction and Usual Su Suspect are just swapped. IB4011 H03 MIO046 780.12 784.16 Pulp Fiction is actually coming before The Usual Suspect. IB4011 H01 MIO036 774.63 775.01 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 775.08 775.74 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 781.39 782.35 Wow, that's interesting. IB4011 H02 MIO095 783.2 783.95 How. IB4011 H00 FIE038 784.69 790.99 Uh maybe 'cause I. M. D. B. is updated daily, so if it happens that people had voted for it IB4011 H02 MIO095 787.25 788.11 That may be. IB4011 H02 MIO095 790.37 794.4 Yeah, because yeah because I have I have uh I have th this review on on Wednesday. IB4011 H01 MIO036 791.77 792.24 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 794.57 794.86 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 795.83 799.09 Yeah, Tuesday, it's quite surprising though, but uh, okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 797.73 798.74 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 798.74 799.92 It's IB4011 H01 MIO036 798.37 802.2 Yeah, it's strange, with so many votes that they can p shift. IB4011 H01 MIO036 802.2 804.75 I mean statistically speaking it's strange. IB4011 H03 MIO046 800.53 800.71 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 805.62 807.27 Goodfellas, I haven't see that movie. IB4011 H02 MIO095 826.75 827.42 Okay, it's IB4011 H02 MIO095 817.12 822.4 it's a simply a masterpiece, so and if you go to the to the to the votes, IB4011 H02 MIO095 822.4 826.75 there is quite a lot of people who has vote for the Goodfellas, sixty six thousand. IB4011 H02 MIO095 814.63 817.12 and uh the user comment says, IB4011 H02 MIO095 807.27 814.63 The plot outline says that the Henry Hill and the his friends uh work their way uh their way up through the mob uh hierarchy IB4011 H01 MIO036 829.55 829.98 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 829.73 834.52 It's modern day average, so it's perhaps not a bad movie. IB4011 H02 MIO095 834.52 835.62 I dunno, I haven't see that. IB4011 H01 MIO036 831.1 831.21 Wow. IB4011 H01 MIO036 833.62 833.98 Mm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 839.32 845.83 No, because I thought it was like another movie, but it's it's this movie actually. IB4011 H03 MIO046 834.57 839.32 Actually I have seen it, now I realise, yeah, yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 836.75 837.2 You have seen it? IB4011 H00 FIE038 836.77 837.09 Have you? IB4011 H02 MIO095 838.22 838.73 Yeah? IB4011 H02 MIO095 841.82 842.09 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 841.84 843.16 But it is this movie. IB4011 H01 MIO036 844.04 844.47 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 842.35 844.04 But it was that movie? IB4011 H02 MIO095 843.78 844.99 uh-huh. IB4011 H02 MIO095 844.99 847.26 And how i was it called, Mafia? IB4011 H00 FIE038 844.43 845.17 Ah okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 847.71 849.42 Uh Les in French. IB4011 H03 MIO046 850.66 853.02 I think it that one, but it's very violent. IB4011 H00 FIE038 851.33 851.9 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 854.15 855.25 Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 854.39 854.78 Very. IB4011 H03 MIO046 855.72 859.31 It doesn't say it here, but uh it's probably rated R. . IB4011 H00 FIE038 856.12 856.34 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 860.16 861.82 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. IB4011 H02 MIO095 862.57 866.19 So it talks about the nineteen twen twenties or something like o of twenties? IB4011 H00 FIE038 866.77 867.99 No, it's later than that, isn't it? IB4011 H03 MIO046 867.08 873.73 It speak about uh a guy who is not Italian, who is uh going up in the hierarchy of mafia. IB4011 H02 MIO095 873.94 874.21 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 873.95 874.41 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 875.89 876.39 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 876.55 877.74 Okay, so. IB4011 H03 MIO046 876.79 876.94 So. IB4011 H01 MIO036 877.67 879.46 Not really in favour of this, but IB4011 H03 MIO046 879.56 882.57 The mob, so the mob is the mafia actually? IB4011 H03 MIO046 882.57 882.89 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 881.81 882.79 Mob is mafia, mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 881.83 882.05 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 884.56 885.03 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 901.15 911.27 the young F. B. I. agent is assigned to help a f to help find a mi uh missing woman and save her from the ps psychopathic killer with the help of another killer. IB4011 H02 MIO095 892.56 898.42 Uh basically it's a it's a thriller, horror and crime all together. IB4011 H02 MIO095 916.96 920.84 I'm not sure whether he received some a awards for that, but it's really it's IB4011 H02 MIO095 911.27 916.96 This another killer is actually in a jail and it's uh Anthony Hopkins, and he really plays it a very good, I would say. IB4011 H02 MIO095 886.33 890.9 Silence of the Lambs, that's a godfather of all thrillers, I would say. IB4011 H02 MIO095 898.42 901.15 The plot outline says that the uh Clarice Starling IB4011 H02 MIO095 890.9 892.56 Fully in line with the user comments. IB4011 H01 MIO036 887.19 887.58 Ah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 920.42 923.61 I don't know, but it was a good performance, creepy. IB4011 H01 MIO036 921.46 921.81 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 922.31 924.63 Yes, very good performance, very good performance. IB4011 H03 MIO046 924.16 925.84 And Jodie Foster is very good as well. IB4011 H00 FIE038 926.15 926.39 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 926.31 929.65 Yeah, and we can see her actually on the picture on the on the projector. IB4011 H01 MIO036 926.99 927.34 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 930.4 932.09 She was pretty young, no? IB4011 H03 MIO046 932.09 932.54 For. IB4011 H01 MIO036 932.59 938.49 Yeah, I think, yeah, when yeah, I saw this movie some time ago and yeah, she looked quite young I thought. IB4011 H00 FIE038 932.97 933.79 I think so, yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 937.52 939.39 W w from whe when is the movie? IB4011 H00 FIE038 938.82 939.62 When did it come out? IB4011 H02 MIO095 939.57 939.98 Um IB4011 H02 MIO095 941.46 943.29 uh ninety one uh ninety one uh. IB4011 H01 MIO036 941.56 943.38 Ninety one,. IB4011 H00 FIE038 942.58 943.26 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 942.59 943.61 Ninety one, yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 950.81 951.05 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 944.4 950.81 So nowadays she's already fourteen years older. IB4011 H00 FIE038 946.88 951.34 As are we all. IB4011 H03 MIO046 947.53 947.67 Yep. IB4011 H02 MIO095 958.13 961.48 So I can't remember all the details of that movie, but I would like to see it again. IB4011 H02 MIO095 952.61 958.13 And I saw this movie when I was like uh twelve or thirteen and it was really really uh bad experience. IB4011 H00 FIE038 956.17 956.75 Yeah, me too. IB4011 H00 FIE038 961.78 963.2 I don't think I've seen it since then. IB4011 H01 MIO036 965.07 965.45 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 965.99 973.13 I recently I saw the the uh Hannibal, that the seco the sec uh it was a third third part actually, it was called Hannibal I guess. IB4011 H00 FIE038 969.95 971.17 Ah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 972.67 973.95 No, on the seco uh second one. IB4011 H02 MIO095 974.34 975.31 It was second one, yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 975.04 975.33 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 976.29 977.24 So that's why IB4011 H03 MIO046 977.19 978.25 But not that good, no? IB4011 H00 FIE038 978.93 983.12 It wasn't that good, but I think it was almost more disgusting in a way IB4011 H02 MIO095 982.09 983.81 It was really disgusting, yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 983.81 989.25 There were some scenes in it where normally I don't get queasy watching movies, but that was just too much. IB4011 H02 MIO095 988.56 988.73 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 992.21 993.13 You have seen it? IB4011 H03 MIO046 991.08 992.21 Okay, what's your opinion? IB4011 H01 MIO036 991.87 993.44 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 993.44 994.58 Oh yeah, I've seen it, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 994.58 1001.48 Yeah, it's a good movie, I um I don't know, maybe too well known, but since it's fifteen years old maybe people would li IB4011 H00 FIE038 999.88 1001.7 It might be a little bit too violent IB4011 H01 MIO036 1002.9 1003.32 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1003.57 1005.2 for I dunno. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1005.54 1008.78 Violent and and uh scary as well. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1008.78 1009.04 Mm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1009.04 1010.6 Psychopathic, I mean it's uh IB4011 H00 FIE038 1008.5 1008.77 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1008.78 1009.28 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1012.34 1013.25 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1013.25 1014.77 And last choice. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1019.97 1020.46 Uh IB4011 H02 MIO095 1014.64 1019.97 And the last choice that um I think it's it's not a bad movie, it's uh American Beauty. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1019.9 1020.65 That's a good movie. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1021.24 1022.41 Yep, that's a good one. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1043.65 1050.75 extraordinary uh irony uh in a psychological drama about American life, and I can fully agree with this user comment. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1022.55 1032.51 it's basically about the about the people in America, each of them is uh I would say psychotic in his uh his own way, IB4011 H02 MIO095 1050.75 1051.24 Uh IB4011 H02 MIO095 1038.36 1043.65 Uh so and it's really it's uh the user comments say it's a deep, wonderful, penetrating uh film, IB4011 H02 MIO095 1032.51 1038.36 but uh normally they appear to be uh s normal people, as as we can see them ev every day. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1051.72 1054.58 And Kevin Spacey? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1054.58 1057.69 It's no, Kevin Spacey, he received something, no? IB4011 H00 FIE038 1054.89 1056.58 Yeah, it's Kevin Spacey. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1056.9 1057.6 Oh again? IB4011 H00 FIE038 1058.44 1060.24 Quite possibly, yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1060.81 1071.14 He's actually uh quitting his job at the beginning, but he's uh simulating a fight with his boss in order to to to pursue pursue to IB4011 H01 MIO036 1064.45 1064.86 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1070.08 1073.07 He's simulati I I I've seen this movie, but I IB4011 H01 MIO036 1071.32 1072.08 I see. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1075 1077.52 Yeah, to sue him afterward. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1077.52 1078.53 And then IB4011 H03 MIO046 1074.04 1075 Yeah, I think. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1074.22 1076.18 S mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1074.44 1075.04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1077 1077.57 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1083.05 1084.02 That's really IB4011 H02 MIO095 1077.57 1083.05 But then he fell in love with the the with the with the friend of uh his daughter, if I remember well. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1082.47 1082.76 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1081.81 1082.47 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1082.47 1082.78 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1083.73 1087.9 Ah, that's the girl who is represented on the the picture? IB4011 H02 MIO095 1086.68 1087.89 Maybe. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1088.75 1088.9 Yep. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1089.14 1089.98 Theoretically, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1089.85 1092.06 You recognise her belly? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1092.16 1101.63 No uh there is this rose, because the she's he's imagining her taking baths with ro roses all around and uh he's uh yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1094.35 1094.84 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1099.44 1099.98 Uh IB4011 H02 MIO095 1099.81 1101.28 Yeah, yeah, that's true, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1102.13 1103.41 Oh so you recognise the rose. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1103.67 1109.25 Exactly. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1109.25 1109.59 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1104 1106.91 Uh-huh. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1104.28 1107.81 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1109.81 1110.17 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1111.88 1117.68 Um so what will be your favou your preferred one on in this list? IB4011 H02 MIO095 1112.47 1114.17 And I think that's the last IB4011 H01 MIO036 1115.54 1115.86 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1118.16 1125.24 If would like to go for something what is really serious I would definitely uh go for Schindler's List, and if not uh then IB4011 H02 MIO095 1127.64 1127.78 Hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1136.06 1142.15 but uh as you can see from the from your from your table, there is a plenty of votes. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1142.15 1145.5 It's actually I think it's a movie with highest number of the votes, yeah, it is. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1128.92 1136.06 I would like to see this uh Shawshank Redemption, because it receive i yeah, it it none of us seen this movie unfortunately, IB4011 H03 MIO046 1131.91 1133.06 The first one, yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1133.06 1135.05 Probably yeah, you received so yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1141.33 1141.69 Yeah, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1144.89 1145.69 Yeah, that's true. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1145.72 1149 And it's uh Tim Robbins and uh who is the IB4011 H00 FIE038 1150.16 1151.03 Morgan Freeman. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1152.6 1153.49 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1153.49 1154.73 Yeah, great actors. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1150.26 1152.6 the guy behi Morgan Freeman. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1151.8 1152.65 Morgan Freeman, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1161.56 1163.27 Frank Darabont? IB4011 H01 MIO036 1154.36 1161.56 Yeah, but didn't I mean I see this name of the the director on the slide, but I don't really know him. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1154.7 1154.99 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1161.34 1161.83 Darabont. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1162.84 1163.78 Me neither, me neither. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1163.83 1164.39 Mm yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1163.99 1165.2 Never heard of this guy. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1165.88 1171.3 Yeah, but really I would like to highlight that it's a it's a movie with highest number of the votes and the highest ranking at the same time. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1171.64 1172.22 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1172.03 1173.27 Yep. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1173.27 1173.94 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1173.94 1175.86 Yep, it tells something. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1175.86 1181.82 Okay, it's just a do we want to have to display the most popular movie or or we're IB4011 H00 FIE038 1172.42 1172.7 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1173.24 1173.65 So. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1182.52 1184.42 Well let's go through the other suggestions. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1182.55 1184.11 Yeah, I'm not sure. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1184.11 1184.58 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1183.7 1189.55 And actually I don't think it's it's it's that popular in Europe at least, because I really you see, none of us have seen it, so. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1187.94 1188.27 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1188.97 1190.32 That's right, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1189 1189.5 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1197.56 1203.07 Though it's a very useful table, but um okay, do you want me to yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1190.93 1192.08 Yeah, maybe. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1192.08 1197.56 But it's true, yeah, we shouldn't stick to only very highly rated movies on this table. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1201.08 1204.22 Okay, Andrei, yeah, can can you comment your IB4011 H01 MIO036 1204.39 1209.82 So yeah, uh I wrote some notes on um on Saving Private Ryan, which is my candidate. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1219.8 1231.4 So actually given that more or less our theme since the beginning of the year was um history, drama, action, and given also that, well IB4011 H01 MIO036 1214.48 1216.79 I have some paper copies. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1236.58 1244.96 um I thought that among these movies, who look quite popular, uh Saving Private Ryan would be a very good candidate. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1216.79 1219.8 Uh you're welcome. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1231.4 1236.58 we decided to to present this month a movie from the the nineties, IB4011 H01 MIO036 1209.82 1212.06 If you can display them it's perfect. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1212.06 1214.48 Uh do you all have a copy of them? IB4011 H01 MIO036 1244.96 1246.31 Um IB4011 H03 MIO046 1211.28 1211.59 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1214.13 1214.44 I do. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1214.54 1217.33 Um yeah, I w thank you. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1215.52 1216.06 Yeah, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1266.35 1276.73 it's about saving one person who has a special special value in the in the movie um if only because his brothers actually were all killed IB4011 H01 MIO036 1258.83 1266.35 it's uh it's no longer the b glorification of uh, whatever, combat and victory, but the plot is quite different IB4011 H01 MIO036 1248.22 1250.3 Have you seen it before? IB4011 H01 MIO036 1281.58 1287.13 and saving means actually removing from the the front, if you if re if you remember the plot. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1250.3 1254.49 Okay, so you've all seen it, so maybe everyone has seen it, I'm not very sure. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1247.15 1248.22 actually it's a movie I've seen. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1254.49 1258.83 Um but I think it's a very novel treatment of of war, IB4011 H01 MIO036 1276.73 1281.58 so uh the government believes that they should save at least one person from the family, IB4011 H00 FIE038 1249.49 1249.72 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1249.83 1250.06 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1249.83 1250.09 Yep. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1332.87 1338.27 but here they well, you see everything and you see how many people die on that day. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1302.53 1310.03 So he is sent with this rather strange mission, which is not a combat mission, but they uh they want just to to get this guy back IB4011 H01 MIO036 1292.59 1302.53 the main character is uh played by Tom Hanks and it's actually you can see his picture on the second page of my my notes uh Captain John Miller. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1310.03 1315.3 which is in fact this guy is I think behind enemy lines or something like this. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1338.27 1340.41 It's actually IB4011 H01 MIO036 1319.4 1326.37 and it's very very striking the way they they filmed all the the combat scenes and uh it's it's very dramatic, IB4011 H01 MIO036 1326.37 1332.87 it's uh it's not, you know, like in the movies from the fifties or the sixties where people just fall and die anonymously, IB4011 H01 MIO036 1315.3 1319.4 So it happens in in Europe, just after the the Normandy landing IB4011 H01 MIO036 1287.22 1292.59 So in fact this guy, the Private Ryan is not at all the main actor, the the main a well IB4011 H00 FIE038 1314.4 1314.65 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1336.44 1336.98 And you e IB4011 H00 FIE038 1336.55 1337.55 Up close. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1337.84 1341.05 And you enjoyed that, the fact the you see clo I IB4011 H01 MIO036 1346.03 1353.9 Well I didn't really enjoy to see bad things, but uh I think it was satisfying to see that, well, how dramatic things are. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1341.88 1346.03 Well it's very strange, you could s ask this for any sad movie, did you enjoy it. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1355.54 1360.63 I it's very moving, I it's true, it's not very it's not very, well, happy. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1354.58 1355.54 Exactly, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1360.63 1366.11 I don't know how it would compare with Apocalypse Now, if it's darker or maybe IB4011 H01 MIO036 1353.9 1354.58 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1352.47 1355.11 To realise how it wa how it was exactly. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1354.34 1354.66 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1354.77 1355.04 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1365.78 1368.51 It's very different, I don't think you can compare them. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1366.95 1368.45 Yeah, it's very different, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1402.93 1406.79 Um especially I enjoyed the story about the the colour saturation. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1384.14 1388.83 Quite a lot of votes, so um also one of the the mainstream movies. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1370.85 1374.59 So yeah, so I think this would continue a bit our our theme. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1374.59 1384.14 So the the movie is ranked quite high, if I if I refer back to your table it's number uh, what actually, um fourteen. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1388.83 1398.09 Um on the second page uh of my notes I well I quoted some uh well some facts about the movie that I found interesting IB4011 H01 MIO036 1369.79 1370.85 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1406.79 1410.11 It's true that the movie is not really black and white, IB4011 H01 MIO036 1410.11 1416.48 uh but uh the colours are grey-ish, dark-ish, it it prov it makes a very moving effect. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1398.09 1402.93 we we could use them for either a poster or uh or a presentation. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1385.57 1385.84 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1415.49 1418.36 To make it like uh an historical movie or IB4011 H01 MIO036 1430.16 1434.11 you know, the uniforms, weapons, things and things like that. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1421.14 1430.16 I think it's the reference to history and also this dark yeah the mood and uh things are actually well most of the things are quite grey, IB4011 H01 MIO036 1418.6 1421.14 Yeah, I think also to show the um yeah IB4011 H00 FIE038 1423.36 1424.93 Also sets the mood a little bit. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1425.12 1426.01 Yeah, mm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1425.96 1427 Darker and IB4011 H00 FIE038 1432.21 1437.45 Yeah, but you'd get a different impression if you had bright blue sky and bright sunshine behind it. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1436.8 1437.2 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1438.48 1438.98 Exactly. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1438.88 1442 But if I read your first point in the in this uh trivias, IB4011 H02 MIO095 1450.61 1456.9 and the reason was that they wan uh that the that the director wanted that uh the other actors would resent him. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1456.9 1459.21 Why this was uh wanted actually? IB4011 H02 MIO095 1442.47 1450.61 I am just surprised because it says that all the principle actors uh underwent several days of uh cruel army training except for the Man Matt Damon IB4011 H01 MIO036 1442.56 1442.99 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1453.96 1454.26 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1457.02 1457.35 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1459.47 1465.54 Well I think Matt Damon is the guy who must be saved, if I remember well, and in fact the die IB4011 H02 MIO095 1462.17 1462.75 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1462.23 1463.49 Yeah, he's private Ryan. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1463.99 1465.95 And they didn't like it, they didn't like the mission? IB4011 H01 MIO036 1466.44 1470.33 Well yeah, the people didn't understand why they should save one person. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1467.18 1467.84 Well IB4011 H00 FIE038 1469.94 1475.8 They're being sent to the front behind enemy lines to retrieve one soldier only because all of his other brothers died. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1470.87 1471.5 Oh. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1485.39 1488.26 And in fact some of them d get killed for this guy. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1477.43 1485.39 So and they are quite resentful, because they I mean they feel they should fight, they shouldn't just go there and uh just get someone and get back. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1488.26 1490.02 Actually most of them, yeah, I think so. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1481.94 1483.05 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1485.3 1486.35 Yeah, and it okay. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1489.4 1489.68 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1487.65 1489.4 Most of them get killed, don't they? IB4011 H02 MIO095 1487.94 1488.91 Yes. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1489.8 1494.44 So there is actually several people dying because of one single single soldier, mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1488.91 1489.8 Most of them. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1491.33 1491.86 So IB4011 H00 FIE038 1492.6 1492.87 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1492.78 1492.99 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1493 1494.41 Yeah, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1494.41 1498.76 It's a very I think some people compare it with uh, whatever, Christian message or I dunno, IB4011 H01 MIO036 1498.76 1504.58 but um I think it's quite quite universal and it's uh I think it's a modern, very modern IB4011 H02 MIO095 1498.02 1498.39 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1501.53 1501.85 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1503.68 1504.88 What kind of message? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1504.88 1506.28 Sorry, I'm not getting your IB4011 H01 MIO036 1511.49 1518.68 the value of one is compared to others I I don't know I th I think I heard this at that point, but maybe I'm just wrong. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1518.68 1522.42 So yeah, I I think it would make a coherent choice. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1522.42 1528.33 It's probably a bit long and we might want something that is lighter and funnier IB4011 H01 MIO036 1539.18 1544.11 But if you see in my notes at the bottom of the first page I put some other candidate movies. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1528.33 1536.65 but uh if we want to keep this this idea of history and conflict and also to show some some kind of modern treatment of it IB4011 H01 MIO036 1506.5 1511.49 Well this uh value of one individual, it looks like a Christian message, you know, IB4011 H01 MIO036 1536.65 1539.18 it it would make for a good choice. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1514.41 1514.83 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1516.04 1516.46 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1536.32 1536.6 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1563.99 1568.91 So do you have any questions about this, or should we just move to the next candidate maybe? IB4011 H01 MIO036 1545.25 1553.04 Uh La Vita e Bella is an Italian one, but it's also about history and it happens at t the same period as Schindler's List. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1553.04 1559.01 And I also quoted Pulp Fiction and Silence of the Lambs, um a bit more remote from the themes IB4011 H01 MIO036 1559.01 1563.99 but quite well known movies and enjoyable I would say. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1561.18 1561.41 Hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1570.32 1571.23 Yep. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1571.23 1572.44 Or or we have you have IB4011 H01 MIO036 1571.26 1571.94 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1572.79 1574.36 I have no comments, no no, it's IB4011 H00 FIE038 1573.95 1574.26 Mm-mm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1578.6 1580.94 So actually I don't know if uh IB4011 H03 MIO046 1577.57 1578.6 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1581.6 1586.21 y any of you have uh read the document I prepared on The Big Lebowski. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1586.45 1586.68 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1587.98 1592.41 It's just below the table, so since we all refer to the table IB4011 H03 MIO046 1589.84 1591.17 It's below the table, yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1591.17 1591.95 I wanted IB4011 H02 MIO095 1594.91 1597.28 It's a very nice summary. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1590.81 1594.91 Yeah, but I really appreciate your table, because I found this table really useful. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1595.26 1600.5 Yeah, yeah, I wanted to say that uh it's quite open, there are many choices possible. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1594.93 1595.26 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1608.17 1612.46 And it's a actually Joel Co Coen who uh directed the movie. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1612.46 1612.91 Um IB4011 H03 MIO046 1600.5 1608.17 But then my proposal is The Big Lebowski from um the two brothers uh Coen, Coen brothers. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1600.46 1600.75 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1612.05 1612.33 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1614.02 1621.45 the plot is quite hard to to make, but maybe you you read it al already you understood something from the plot or IB4011 H00 FIE038 1619.36 1619.63 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1619.4 1619.9 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1621.84 1623.83 I tried to. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1633.74 1635.68 I think it looks funny for me. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1628.01 1633.74 and especially I think it uh well mm when you read it you just want to go to see the movie. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1624.61 1624.99 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1635.68 1638.46 I haven't seen the movie, but uh the summary looks funny. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1624.99 1628.01 No, I think the summary is i is quite good IB4011 H03 MIO046 1633.62 1635.19 I am? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1683.19 1683.41 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1678.76 1683.19 They seems to have no job, I not know, we never seen i them working. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1648.27 1658 And the the the hero, the the Dude, the mm Big Lebowksi, it's actually his name, is a a kind of non-hero IB4011 H03 MIO046 1642.64 1648.27 because it's it's a funny movie but uh it critiques a lot the American society. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1637.22 1642.64 Yeah, it's it's it's a bit like the f in my opinion like um American Beauty IB4011 H03 MIO046 1672.86 1678.76 And they all are together in a bowling club where they meet and they discuss about uh everything. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1665.24 1672.86 And uh he has a friend comi veter veteran from Vietnam and uh another friend who is never speaking. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1658 1665.24 but he's representative of the of uh a normal uh L. A. L. A. guy. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1654.33 1654.6 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1658.05 1658.39 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1678 1678.28 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1681.56 1685.62 So doing nothing, just uh take it easy in the life, yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1685.09 1690.1 And actually he's uh taking part to a kind of um uh IB4011 H01 MIO036 1685.54 1685.98 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1705.45 1714.62 and he's going to see the other Lebowski to ask him money, because he he because the killers actually uh damage some stuff in his apartment. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1690.43 1698.15 uh s some some killers come to his apartment uh because they think he's someone else IB4011 H03 MIO046 1698.15 1705.45 and uh the whole story is about uh he wants to to to get some money out of this story, IB4011 H02 MIO095 1699.41 1699.69 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1707.63 1708.25 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1709.28 1711.43 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1709.71 1710.18 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1715.45 1720.4 Actually, who are the two characters on the the p the poster, on the on the image that IB4011 H03 MIO046 1722.49 1725.98 John Goodman, you have probably seen him in in a series? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1718.67 1722.49 It's uh Jeff Bridges and uh John Goodman. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1724.34 1724.71 Uh-huh. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1726.32 1728.74 And w and which one is the Big Lebowski on the picture? IB4011 H00 FIE038 1726.37 1726.85 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1727.92 1731.78 On the right, the guy on the right, Jeff Bridges. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1729.67 1731.72 Okay, so the guy with the glasses. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1729.95 1730.23 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1732.07 1733.57 And the one on the left is his friend? IB4011 H00 FIE038 1734.06 1735.48 Or is that the other Lebowski? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1738.15 1739.15 He's kind of uh IB4011 H03 MIO046 1734.29 1735 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1735 1738.15 He's the one coming uh from from Vietnam. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1736.51 1737.72 The Vietnam guy. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1737.86 1738.35 Oh, okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1738.04 1738.89 Aha, yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1740.25 1744.55 he is still equipped for for war. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1744.55 1745.18 Okay so uh IB4011 H01 MIO036 1742.5 1742.97 Hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1744.88 1748.73 But this movie is is supposed to happen in uh what time, I mean it's uh IB4011 H03 MIO046 1749.14 1751.93 It's f a movie from the nineties actually, yep. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1749.51 1749.87 Which ca IB4011 H02 MIO095 1751.79 1757.44 And he's still uh still uh prepared from or or still as he he would come from the Vietnam. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1751 1751.79 From the nineties? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1760.05 1768.92 I'm going to actually I want to show you some posters I prepared for this movie, so we actually can discuss at the same time the poster design. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1758 1760.05 Yep, yeah, yeah, that's a problem. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1758.84 1760.06 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1760.06 1761.33 There i IB4011 H01 MIO036 1760.46 1761.47 Well, sort of. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1765.81 1766.57 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1767.26 1767.72 Oh. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1781.49 1788.8 Afterward it's uh uh a guy who John Turturro, they are competing with him on a bowling uh contest, IB4011 H03 MIO046 1778.33 1781.49 Then it's the guy coming back from Vietnam. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1770.37 1778.33 So on the left you see the main characters of the movie, so the the hero at the top left. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1777.8 1778.12 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1786.22 1786.61 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1789 1789.33 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1799.38 1802.73 Each time he's trying to speak, the other one are are stopping him. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1796.58 1797.81 Buscemi? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1797.81 1799.38 He's never speaking in the movie. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1790.16 1796.58 and um Julianne Moore and the last one is Buscemi or something like that. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1796.31 1797.49 Buscemi, yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1796.89 1797.14 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1799.37 1799.65 Really? IB4011 H01 MIO036 1803.1 1803.58 Oh. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1804.05 1805.11 So it's qu IB4011 H02 MIO095 1804.7 1806.8 And this one is supposed to be the second Lebowski? IB4011 H02 MIO095 1807.85 1808.24 Or who IB4011 H03 MIO046 1807.85 1810.89 No, he's not on the on the picture, the second Lebowski. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1810.4 1811.2 Okay, okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1811.95 1819.72 So uh my proposition was to add um the title of course, some information abo about the pricing on the right IB4011 H01 MIO036 1820.24 1822.74 Yeah, you cannot read it very well because IB4011 H03 MIO046 1822.32 1825.5 Uh yeah, but when it will be printed it will be okay, I think. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1825.43 1830.82 But actually I'm I'm little bit missing th some information about our movie club, I think uh there should be some more information. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1827.14 1827.76 Ah, you mean IB4011 H03 MIO046 1830.21 1832.16 Okay, so I prepared a second one IB4011 H03 MIO046 1836.17 1842.26 At the bottom we can see that um, do you know Mondre Montreux English Movie Club? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1833.29 1836.17 where th th th there's there is some information. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1842.26 1849.15 Uh I said that people can contact us to to get to the committee and select movies. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1838.66 1839.05 Mm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1839.11 1840.42 Yeah I like this, mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1848.4 1849.63 Mm-hmm, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1850.58 1851.13 Uh-huh. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1851.13 1853.1 Yeah, the text on this one is very good. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1850.85 1851.54 So um. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1851.09 1853.23 I think it looks too much like a C. D. cover, though. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1852.94 1853.2 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1854.48 1854.89 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1854.86 1855.97 Oh because it's square. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1856.36 1858.81 I like the layout of the first one and the content of this one. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1859.33 1859.69 Uh-huh. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1859.81 1861.45 So perhaps we can somehow combine them. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1860.33 1862.57 But there is a th there is a third one. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1864.56 1869.01 Um actually I I prefer it because it's more colourful also. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1869.6 1871.92 It looks like two different posters though. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1871.23 1874.49 The f the first poster is I think much uh much too dark. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1869.68 1871.23 Yeah, I don't like the black one. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1873.84 1876.91 I think there is too many colours, too many colours. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1883.16 1888.03 this is typical typical uh poster I wouldn't wouldn't look at. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1876.91 1883.16 Nowadays, you know, if you see some advertisements on the s yeah, but nowadays if you see some advertisement on the on the street IB4011 H01 MIO036 1875.97 1876.89 No, that's nice. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1878.1 1880.88 But it's it can catch the eyes actually but um IB4011 H01 MIO036 1880.92 1881.18 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1885.04 1886 It's hard to read. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1886.49 1886.69 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1892.13 1896.31 e especially for uh a movie people don't n never heard about it. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1887.23 1892.13 But then the problem I preferred the first one, because I think it's important to have the plot of movie IB4011 H03 MIO046 1896.31 1897.32 But uh I don't know. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1892.23 1892.55 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1895.73 1897.05 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1897.05 1901.69 Yeah, maybe two or three sentences, because I guess they won't stop in front of the poster. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1896.32 1896.96 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1899.61 1900.04 Okay. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1899.74 1902.03 The paragraph I think was a little bit long. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1902.96 1907.97 Okay, so what do you propose, what should I do for these posters? IB4011 H03 MIO046 1907.97 1909.03 In terms of content. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1903.09 1903.35 Yep. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1908.29 1910.59 So layout of the first one IB4011 H00 FIE038 1909.27 1912.11 I would and content of the second one. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1912.48 1913.77 and colours of the third one. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1919.38 1927.29 So I'll put all the information and you want me to put the at the bottom, all the information about the committee and the the Montreux Club, okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1913.4 1919.38 Okay, I'll try to do something, but first anyway we have to select a movie. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1919.48 1919.97 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1920.92 1921.44 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1919.48 1920.92 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1925.43 1926.16 Exactly. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1925.56 1926.96 Yeah, like what you have there. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1927.94 1928.78 Okay. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1942.33 1945.11 people don't r generally just stand there and then read the whole thing. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1936.76 1942.33 not even of the whole plot, but just descriptions of the movie or 'cause I think that paragraph is too long IB4011 H00 FIE038 1928.76 1936.76 And then maybe replace the paragraph that you had on the first poster with either shorter sort of descriptions, IB4011 H03 MIO046 1932.52 1932.84 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1940.59 1940.98 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1947.12 1954.02 Okay, so just to conti to finish with The Big Lebowski, it's um I think those two images are pretty representative IB4011 H03 MIO046 1961.04 1965.77 and on the bottom it's uh he is he keeps dreaming in th in this movie IB4011 H03 MIO046 1954.02 1961.04 so the on the first on on the top you see the hero with a a cowboy that i introduces the movie IB4011 H03 MIO046 1965.77 1973.99 because uh uh the killer's um uh put it d put it or he is drinking too much also, IB4011 H03 MIO046 1973.99 1979.07 so each time he's uh drinking he's having some dreams, very very weird, but interesting. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1959.99 1960.4 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1973.96 1974.8 Oh okay. IB4011 H00 FIE038 1974 1974.51 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1974.15 1974.82 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1979.6 1983.45 So the woman on the second picture, that's Julianne Moore or oh. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1982.18 1983.63 Yep. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1983.63 1983.98 Yeah, yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1993.29 1995.04 So maybe he's making strange uh IB4011 H03 MIO046 1985.1 1993.29 Actually, she wants him to she wants to make kids and she's using the Big Lebowski to have kids with him, but he doesn't know. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1993.8 1994.3 Ah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 1994.98 1995.64 Mm-hmm mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1995.87 1997.73 Interesting. IB4011 H01 MIO036 1997.73 2002.51 So it's not really violent or I mean the movie is quite for general audiences. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2002.51 2002.79 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 1996.74 1997.05 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2001.96 2006.81 Yeah, yeah, it's very very sweet and it's like a it's like a dream actually. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2003.85 2005.65 okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2006.54 2010.11 How is it actually r ranked, because I cannot see it here in your table. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2006.83 2007.15 Huh. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2009.18 2012.74 It's um no, it is on in the table actually. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2016.23 2017.41 Forty eight. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2017.41 2019.54 But quite a lot of people have seen it actually. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2012.74 2016.23 It's um it's coming at the end. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2012 2013.64 I somehow can't find it. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2015.21 2016.42 It's here, forty eight. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2016.66 2017.47 Ah, forty eight. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2019.4 2021.39 Yeah, fifty thousand, mm-mm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2021.97 2023.53 Well, at least voted for it. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2024.36 2024.5 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2024.73 2027.23 Voted, yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2024.8 2027.6 I hope more people have seen it. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2026.12 2028.33 Yeah, but generally you vote when you have seen the movie, no? IB4011 H01 MIO036 2029.99 2030.27 Mm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2030.94 2034.21 Okay, so uh I think we should decide for a movie now. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2032.96 2033.31 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2033.2 2034.22 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2033.72 2034.25 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2034.64 2035.15 So IB4011 H03 MIO046 2036.56 2040.6 maybe each of us can s can select two movies or IB4011 H01 MIO036 2040.55 2042.67 Yeah, let's nominate first. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2041.9 2043.12 Let's nominate, okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2042.28 2042.56 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2043.95 2046.24 And then we vote we choose from the list. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2047.06 2051.96 So I will take basically two extremes, I will take Schindler's List and I will take uh The Big Lebowski. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2058.62 2062.26 while the second one is about the Second War and is uh serious. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2053.28 2058.62 One of the one of them is really just funny and from the nineties, uh I mean the story is from the nineties IB4011 H01 MIO036 2062.78 2063.17 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2072.44 2076.4 And I haven't seen it, but I would like to see it and I think American Beauty. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2065.27 2072.44 Well I'll nominate the one I proposed, Saving Private Ryan, so history, war, drem drama. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2076.77 2077.05 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2077.96 2084.09 If you if you think that our series okay, it's not about America, but uh still Apocalypse well, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2084.09 2087.44 It's about countries. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2087.44 2089.81 So, Agnes, Denis? IB4011 H00 FIE038 2089.28 2094.58 Um I'd go for Sixth Sense, just because it's different from all the other ones and IB4011 H00 FIE038 2096.16 2099.58 maybe Shawshank Redemption, just because we haven't seen it. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2099.64 2099.92 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2103.51 2107.27 So Denis, are you happy with our choices or would you like to add something? IB4011 H03 MIO046 2113.78 2120.79 because I think it's uh it's an easy movie to watch and and still there are a lot of things to think afterward. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2107.85 2113.78 Um no, actually I'm happy with the choices, because I really I would really push uh American Beauty IB4011 H00 FIE038 2121 2121.37 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2121.23 2121.58 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2121.84 2124.19 And it's representative of the nineties, I think. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2124.41 2124.73 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2124.67 2125.02 Okay. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2124.94 2125.26 Yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2131.71 2135.98 You can give two points to one and one point to another one? IB4011 H01 MIO036 2135.98 2138.29 Would you like this strange way to vote? IB4011 H01 MIO036 2126.29 2131.71 So what if we voted, say, like for first and second choice and then we count? IB4011 H03 MIO046 2136.77 2137.82 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2135.66 2136.77 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2138.61 2139.72 Okay, that's IB4011 H03 MIO046 2144.6 2144.96 No IB4011 H03 MIO046 2142.21 2144.6 Okay, start, Andrei. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2144.17 2146.73 Um okay so uh IB4011 H03 MIO046 2145.78 2149.85 I don't want to finish I think I'm going to IB4011 H01 MIO036 2155.6 2159.21 I'll give two points to Saving Private Ryan and one to American Beauty. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2148.84 2155.6 Oh yeah, um well it's uh well if I nominated two and I was the only one IB4011 H00 FIE038 2161.91 2163.08 Okay, um IB4011 H01 MIO036 2164.9 2165.85 Then you'd better hurry. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2163.28 2164.9 You don't want to finish, Denis. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2163.98 2168.52 Yeah, but then each of us will will uh but then each of us will vote for uh our nominees IB4011 H02 MIO095 2168.52 2176.36 so I would propose to to to vote for s sun uh to to give the points to the to the movies that were not nominated by you. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2164.06 2164.89 No. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2170.15 2170.6 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2177.33 2180.57 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2182.89 2189.52 Um okay, so I'll give um uh b um IB4011 H01 MIO036 2180.57 2182.89 That makes the vote more complicated. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2177.98 2180.17 Yeah, maybe it makes more sense, yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2178.22 2180.17 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2179.01 2183.26 So then it's it's more complicated but yeah, okay, let's IB4011 H02 MIO095 2189.48 2190.78 Mm-hmm, okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2190.56 2194.23 okay, two to The Sixth Sense and one to The Big Lebowski. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2196.76 2197.9 Sixth Sense. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2198.04 2200.73 Okay, me I put two to American Beauty IB4011 H03 MIO046 2202.39 2206.89 and uh one to Saving Private Ryan. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2208.09 2209.44 Okay, um IB4011 H02 MIO095 2209.09 2209.42 'Kay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2216.44 2217.35 Okay, oh. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2215.35 2216.44 Agnes? IB4011 H01 MIO036 2209.16 2215.35 I note that you didn't nominate a film, so you are sort of freer than us. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2212.23 2215.75 So I'll IB4011 H02 MIO095 2215.17 2215.96 Seconds. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2215.41 2217.35 No, Big Lebowski, I nominate. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2217.71 2221.28 I'll give two to American Beauty and IB4011 H00 FIE038 2223.31 2224.19 mm IB4011 H00 FIE038 2225.76 2227.04 one to The Big Lebowski. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2228 2234.67 okay, and I wi I will give one to The Big Lebowski and two to The uh uh Shawshank Redemption. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2235.48 2236.82 Okay, so it's pretty clear. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2236.5 2237.83 So now try to sum it up. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2237.72 2243.36 American Beauty four, Big Lebowski three. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2243.36 2245.23 So you have to redo the posters, uh? IB4011 H00 FIE038 2237.9 2238.64 American Beauty. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2238.19 2239.19 So do we have something? IB4011 H02 MIO095 2240.21 2241.32 Uh three. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2239.13 2240.21 American Beauty. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2243.17 2243.44 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2245.36 2249.67 Yeah, that's the only thing that's worrying me, but it should be okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2249.67 2250.01 Yeah, yeah. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2246.17 2246.36 Mm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2248.23 2252.71 Well you can keep the format, I mean th you didn't have that many graphics in the first one. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2250.96 2257 So you select you wanted actually me to select the this design? IB4011 H03 MIO046 2257 2263.94 That takes a bit more time, but if you c if all of you can send me one image, I can make something on the left. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2263.94 2265.97 Select one image from the movie and uh IB4011 H01 MIO036 2251.42 2251.67 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2257.3 2259.15 You mean the first poster, yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2257.6 2257.9 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2257.85 2258.1 Yeah. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2263.19 2263.46 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2265.42 2268.73 But I would say these images are very nice and they are really representative perhaps. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2269.03 2270.36 Maybe you can leave those. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2269.3 2273.63 Yes, but of the wrong movie. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2273.63 2274.79 That's the real twist. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2270.41 2270.77 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2273.23 2274.44 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2274.44 2277.06 No but I'll make something. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2270.96 2273.23 With a different title? IB4011 H02 MIO095 2277.37 2277.76 Sorry. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2274.48 2277.37 I'm Yeah, sure, sorry. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2277.92 2279.37 Oh leave Julianne Moore. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2279.35 2282.62 Julianne Moore actually uh IB4011 H02 MIO095 2279.37 2281.55 I was sleepi sleeping for a while. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2285.98 2286.76 In American Beauty? IB4011 H03 MIO046 2283.69 2285.98 She's playing in the no? IB4011 H00 FIE038 2284.4 2285.42 No, she's not. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2289.21 2294.38 Annette Bening, who's the m the main character, the well, the main female character, the mother. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2286.79 2289.21 No, it's who is it? IB4011 H03 MIO046 2290.39 2290.98 Ah okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2290.69 2291.01 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2294.62 2296.57 Okay uh we s IB4011 H01 MIO036 2295.16 2298.79 Okay, I'm looking forward to seeing it, I haven't see it, so IB4011 H03 MIO046 2297.65 2301.11 We still have to decide for next meeting and we're all set. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2300.35 2301.8 When do you want these images by? IB4011 H00 FIE038 2302.87 2303.39 Just quickly. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2304.09 2308.38 Uh by uh Monday, next Monday. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2304.69 2305.42 Day after tomorrow? IB4011 H01 MIO036 2313.69 2317.65 Um so we have to select the movie for May. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2318.37 2321.05 It should be from this period, because nineties IB4011 H03 MIO046 2321.59 2323.3 I think we can meet at the same period. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2322.08 2322.73 would be finished. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2323.13 2324 Two thousands. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2324.06 2324.38 Mm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2324.38 2325.08 Two thousand. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2324.28 2326.69 So uh we'll try a movie from the two thousands. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2326.66 2327.03 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2332.16 2334.12 So I think Monday is second? IB4011 H01 MIO036 2329.23 2332.16 And we can meet at the beginning of May. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2331.48 2331.64 Yeah. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2332.1 2332.33 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2336.37 2336.58 No. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2336.38 2338.64 No, Monday is third already. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2337.78 2338.42 Third isn't it? IB4011 H01 MIO036 2340.94 2341.59 Mm whatever. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2341.64 2342.44 Monday May third? IB4011 H02 MIO095 2342.48 2342.89 Whatever. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2342.69 2344.02 First Monday of May. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2343.54 2344.03 Okay. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2344.71 2347 First Monday of May, yeah, so it's after the projection, IB4011 H02 MIO095 2347 2351.88 and we will see what are the reactions of the people and so it makes sense that we are yes, yes, yes. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2348.55 2348.79 Yep. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2349.48 2351.9 Yeah, how many people we got and uh IB4011 H00 FIE038 2352.26 2356.28 We can ask people casually, sort of what genre of movie they want, or IB4011 H01 MIO036 2355.81 2356.23 Mm-hmm. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2357.16 2359.29 And perhaps we will have some new members. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2357.28 2362.25 But then in June, what are we going to do in June, because we cannot make movies from ten two thousand IB4011 H02 MIO095 2361.05 2363.05 Um IB4011 H00 FIE038 2361.62 2362.21 Start again. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2363.39 2367.92 Maybe some kind of movies that spans across periods. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2367.92 2375 I think there is a Godard with a lot of um quotations from other movies or well let's see when we IB4011 H00 FIE038 2363.4 2364.71 Or go back to the fifties. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2363.76 2364.09 Yeah. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2373.97 2375.73 yeah, maybe. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2375.98 2377.75 Let's cross the bridge when we get to it. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2379.62 2380 Thank you. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2377.89 2379.62 Okay. IB4011 H00 FIE038 2378.87 2379.63 Okay. IB4011 H01 MIO036 2380.66 2384.07 Thanks, see you April ni twenty ninth, American Beauty. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2381.84 2382.75 So what's the movie again? IB4011 H00 FIE038 2383.53 2384.23 American Beauty. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2384.1 2385.12 American Beauty, finally. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2384.1 2384.58 Okay. IB4011 H03 MIO046 2384.58 2385.12 Thank you. IB4011 H02 MIO095 2386.17 2386.48 Okay.