Year: 1875

tent himself; and Moulton said if l
would publish that statement he would
burn every document he had, and if
Tilton ever undertook to move again in
the matter be would turn against him
and fight him. He expressed himself
very strongly, think the words he used
were that he would smash him."


Odd he say to you anything in re-
gard to the power that he had over
Tilton ? A-Yes, he said,


81 Can Grind him TO Powder"


he spoke mparatvely of his control over
Tilton.


Q-What was your answer in regard
to your signing or publishing that card ?
Al would never sign card AFTER the
Bacon letter with that equiyocal word
offensive.


Q-You told him such? Al told
him would net and l didn't.


Q-What was the end of the matter
about its publication, was there anything
further about it and the subject reviewed
in any way. Al cant say definitely,
they were still uptO every session of the
Investigating Committee and more or less
of an effort on the part of Moulton to
accommodate matters. He thought that
the publication of the Bacon letter had
not brought things necessarily to crisis,
| thought il had, and he with great as
siduity and vehement zeal thought that
there could be way struck out between
the extremes by which we could all go
L | Ntsa
could not, that the thing must be pried
into and looked into to the very bottom.


Q-Was this card intended for news
paper publication, or to be read to your
church, or otherwise presented. Al
don't know that the particular mode of
issuing was q matter of consideration;
don't remember about it; it was in form
that looked rather like being read to the
church. but as didn't particularly regard
in in any way, /. {. | didn't give it much
thought, except the opening phraseology,
which was an etiectual bar to its being
used by me in any way.


Q-Do you recognize any cOnversa-
tion between you and Moulton, as to this
paper having been submitted to Tracy,
and YOU approving or disappearing it?
At NAV very easily have been
but | don't recolIect any such conversa-
ton; there were good many cOnsulta-
tions about Bacon's letter; there was
card prepared, and an Introductory
card which was presented to me
l think as "A sort of basis for this other
one. | am not clear in my recollection
about that Many interviews and many
suggestions were produced before the
Bacon letter was published, but ! refused
to consider them, but after it was pub
lished l was indisposed.


Mrs. TiItOn 10 take the Stand.


New YORK, April l2.-The Tribune
tomorrow will say: Motives OF dclicacy
alone have not kept Mrs. Titon from at
tending court since Beechcr went on the
stand. She expects to succeed him on
the witness chair, or certainly to follow
Mr.. Cleveland as concluding witness for
the defense. Mr.. Becchcr's counsel are
unwilling to admit that it Is their fixed
purpose ocall Mrs. Tilton, but from other
sources of information it is known that
such is their determination. 1t is known
with certainty that Judge Nelson has
declared that he will permit Mrs. Tilton
to testify if both sides will consent to it,
The defence recognize perhaps that
public sentiment demands an offer of
Mrs. Tiltons testimony, and they will
make. the offer for two reasons. Accord
ing to Beechers friends they want her
testimony in the first place, being
satisfied that it will cOrroborate
Mr.. Beecher in every important
particular and introduce the needed mar
ration of circumstances, under which
the defence allege that the confession and
other papers We're forced from her by her
husband. The second reason is that if
they do not get her testimony it will f.
place the plaintiff in position of cx
Guiding it, and this they believe will /
strengthen their case before the jury and /.
public, but whether the plaintiff takes
this position or not the direct testimony
of Mrs. Titon under oath will be given
the public.