Year: 1873

| the shade Of q noble old oak, we sat down and
| opened the conversation a. follows:-
| CORREsPoNDENT-have you read the recent dis
cussion In the newspapers upon the subject OF
third term for General Grant, or as 1t IL regarded
by some the approach to Cesarisms
General GARY-I have.


CORREsPONDBM-How are you disposed towards
General Grant politically


General GARY-I am opposed to him, because
do not believe ne understands the true theory OF
this governments. or n he does be has not Illus
trated 1t by his course since ne has been President
he destroyed his fame as general by his trucking
to politicians and plunderers.
CoRREsP0NDRNT-Afte the close OF the war what
were the feelings and sentiments Of the officers
and soldiers Of the Confederate army towards
General Grant,


General GARY-They were those Of gratitude and
kindness throughout the whole Of the Confederate
army. He permitted the on1cers to retain their
Guiding ciu their horses. He granted them paroles
and afterwards manfuly protected them In the
enjoyment OF these paroles when President John.
son wanted to disregard them. l think at that
time he was initiating the example OF
CAESAR IN HIS CLHMBNCY
towards the conquered; and tf he had continued
that line OF policy, SO well begun and had adhered
to his democratic record, the South would have
In supported HIM for the pIssdeScy Pr SIC sSs



as BY the republican party: think ne was driven
into che radical party by the odium OF Andy John;
think Johnson the worst enemy the South ever
had: He is low and ignorant demagogue and


CORRRsPoNDsNr-The your opposition to Gen.
eral Grant is only political


General GARx,Yes, my opposition to him Is
military man since he became the tool Of unprin-
cipied politicians.


CoRREsPoNDENT-what particular political act Of
his first turned you against him and In what does
your opposition consistf


General aARY-General Grant was nominated BY
the radical party for the Presidency, but he did
not bind himself to the platform the party when
he accepted the nomination, II my memory serves
the democratic party my opposition began, and
that consists in opposition 70 the tenets OF tho
aas 'es m
speech Of Senator Sumner were suflcient to turn
every honest radical from hum, for they have never
Is ySur opinion then that
fame as military man by lending himself to poll
ticians and financial speculators.
General GARY-It Is. General Grant Is not the
ity; but he certainly surpasses him in his love Of
money and In the prostitution OF his position and
tame TO secure the almighty dollar.
THE THIRD TERN.
CoRREsroNDENT-What do you think Of third
term for General Grant


opposed to Grant. believe, though from the
thorough organization Of the radical party and
the election laws that they have passed in regard
to national and state ofnces II he runs he Will be
elected, or II not elected he will


BE COUNTED IN


But our Republic Is too young to pass into an EN-
pire, and time wiz purge the government Of It's
tlonal reform. There is too much honesty patriot
ism and independence In the American people to
allow themselves to be made the slaves OF des-


CoRRssPoNDENr-How would the Southern peo-
pie act under circumstances Of usurping naturef


General GARY-ln the event Of Grant usurping
the government, the Southern people would take
sides against him. with the exception OF q lew ad-
party in power or the party they believed would
pay best But men OF thought honesty and
patriotism. those who love constitutional liberty
not believe that this necessity win ever arise.
viii ultimately return 20 tho constitutional lorms
restrictions and limitations laid down and observed
by the Fathers Of the Republic


General GARY-I do and that at no distant
period.


GENERAL J. B. GORDON,


OF Georgia, the new United States Senator from
tsss was the next rep
the South as one Oi the most dnshlng and gallant
officers OF the late cOnfederacy. He succeeded to
the command Of Stonewall Jackson's corps after
the death OF that famous officer, and at one time
he commanded an entire wing OF the Confederate
army. He IL now the leader OF the new and young
have sprung up in the south since the close OF the
war, and Is looked upon as the representative
Southerner not only Of Georgia, but OF this entire
section In the United States Senate. The General
very kindly accorded me an interview, which took
place In the open air while walking around the
main hotel here on the western side.


CoRREsPoNDENT-General, have you given the
proposed third term for General Grant, dis
cussed in the newspapers, any considerations


GENERAI-Yes have.


CORREsPONDENT-Do you think there Is any pros
pect OF the election OF General Grant for third
GRNERAL-I think there is, and regret 1t exceed
ingy.


be inimical to our republican form Of governments
GENERAL am satisfied beyond doubt that IL
would. 1 am in favor OF


ONE TERN ONLY


in the Presidential Office and would be glad to see
an amendment OF that sort added to the constitu-
period in the history OF the government, Is disn-
terestedness in its administration. We can only
sono Incentives. live But the great dan er in this
third term movement Is to the elective feature OF
our government-one OF the most sacred privl-
legeS we enjoy. The repeated election or any man
to the Presidency, and especially when that man is
General Grant, Iconsider full Of danger to the Re-
public.


CoRREsPoNDENT-But why General Grant more
than any other man Is he not as much OF pa Iri0t
as the average Americana


GENERAL-Understand me. / am not discussing
General Grants fitness or unntness Tor the Presi-
dency; nor am seeking In any way to dsparage
his patriotism. But what say Is tnis that II the
earlier Presidents were correct IN supposing, as
they doubtless were that the continued reelection
OF Inc same man 10 Jue fTeSlueuCy was COHtioiy
to the genius OF an elective government, then
JoytOri, would the reelection Of General Grant be
full OF danger. 1t is more dangerous to re-elect
him than 1t would have been to re-elect for third
term any OF his predecessors.


CoRREsP0NDENT-How do you explain that, Gen.
eral?


GENERAL-Well, the reason Is obvious, and am
only surprised that IL has not been referred to
before in any OF the discussions l have seen upon
this subject. General Grant, by reason OF the posi-.
ton he neld at the close OF the war, was regarded
in some sort as the representation Of the power power
OF the government. The people OF the North
have regarded him In that light, as the


PERsONIFICATION AND EMBODIMENT
OF that power. For that reason, more than anv
other they elected him President, which, from the
Northern standpoint was well enough. But cir
cumstances have created in the public mind sort
of habit OF transferring from the Executive ounce
the powers which belong to 1t to the person or
General Grant himself, and in that habit Is lound
the peculiar hazard TO which refer. Like al
other habits OF thought, 1t VIII gradually strengthen
into conviction that the finances and the govern
ment will be more stable under General Grant than
under any one else, and after while the people
will aCQuleSce If this habit broken up, In n