Year: 1875

Mr.. Fulleron-I then call your attention, Mr.
Tton to an interview with Mr. Beecher about the 81 Of
January ISL Do you rccoect such interview A. Yes
Sir


O Where did II take place. A. It took place in precisely
the same room in which the held that IT, the second
story front oom in Mr. Moultons house in Clinton street


o Under what circumstances did you and Mr. Becchcr
meet there on that day. !. Under these went TO Mr.
Mouton during the forenoon perhaps not long after
the morning Mr. Moulon had not yet risen, being slightly
unwcH While sitting with him the door bell rang and
suddenly without any expectation my part and think also
without any expectation on Mr. Moulons part MI Becchef
entered the room


O Now please state what occurred ut that interviews A.
instantly ny chair and what did do not exactly
know only remember that Mr. Mouon suid My said 10
that ought not 70 salute Mr Beccher in his house


said TO Mr. Moulton How you expect me 10 speak TO


man vhohas ruined my wife broken my home and who then
get. nv permission. in n sad and serious hour TO
visit that woman, and uses that permission for the
purpose Of debating her and making her write down
e, Mr. Mouou then said me, Bat, Theodore you
remember that Mr. Bcecher has sent to you letter through
me humbug himself before you he does before God What
more can YOU ask Of him1 What could you ask Of any
man in such crcums thlti" Furthermore" said
he tbs Is my house and Mr. Bcccher is present my guest
and Won VIII obi.e me-" said Mr. Mouon " il you will
sneak TO him. at least as much say good morning"
I did saw "Mr. Becchcr, Good morning." Mr. Beechcr
meanwhile sat the edge Of Mr.. Moultons bed.
lie turned around to and said Theodore l don't
marvel that YOU do feel Ike speaking to me- feel more
dread Of being spoken you than you possibly feel
pugnance in speaking All have to say is" he remarked


that hope you found it in your heart to accept the com
munication which made TO you through Mr.. Monton.
dictated IT," he said cont OF hearbrcak and anguish.
II expressed my sincere feelings. Nevertheless" said
he Il know Il was but words, and words
little and nothing aud no words OF mine, nor any
acts undo the great that have done to
YOU and 10 Elizabeth" lie then said DO not put in any plea


-g.ft
the demand which communicated TO in your letter Of
Christmas day. that | should retire from my pulpit you
have ONLY to say the word and l will retire. The
renting Of the pews shall not 90 will bow my head
and 60 public fe only said he Il have this request
TO make-tha fit be necessary for you 10 make public re-


a this case that you will give notice in advance Of
intention to do So in that may either go OF the world
by suicide or else escape from tie face Of my friends by
VOYAGE to some foreign land And furthermore" he sd
ask YOU do this fayOrthat whoever else in the wide
world is be Informed OF the facts OF this case at least
wife shall know anything the subject FOR she s not
only your enemy but may very readily become mine II you
can spare the pang having these facts communicated
her Twill consider that it additional occaonof gratitude"


He said also that he did not wish 10 understand that he
solicited any himself alone but only for his family
and particularly for Elizabeth He said 50" do not beg at all for
myself but her She not TO blame was altogether
at fault Ny sacred Office and my years should have combined
to have her guardian not her tempter" lie further





himself and Elizabeth had not always been marked by sexual
intimacy that the earlier years Of IT free from any such
faint and crime and that only during the last year. little
than year. he said and that year shortened by country
vacation had that sexual intimacy existed He Furthermore
said that he did not know how he could offer any mitigation
excuse for himself, and yet he said he wanted to
believe for Ezabeths sake and also for his own, that
he had sought her for any vulgar end but that their
had been through love- and not through u
that he had met any whom he had loved well


that he had sought companonshp In her mind that he had
taken manuscripts her that she might be his critic and that
the bamean this he repeated two or three times over" The
blame" he SAID belonged and not to her" And he
addedand when he did the into his eyes-ho
added some words like tHese; Tell me- before you 60 away
can you possibly rcinate Elizabeth in respect aud
love =" He then buried ih bis hands he sat the
edge or the foot Of Mr. Mouon bed and he used
figure OF speech won't undertake 70 quote the exact words
but the picture like this he drew the fgurc Of a
man sitting on a brink and sad that he was dizzy and
Ike the edge Of he'll The only other words that


remember this moment which he sad the effect that
he was in great grief through Mr. Bowens action In my case
the termination Of my engagements with Mr. Bowens papers,
and said he felt that Mr. Bowens suddenly changed mind had
been largely due statements which Mrs Beechei had made
Mr. Bowen and to statements which he himself had made
though he said that Mrs Beechor had been mscheyous
in her utteanoes than he He mentioned $50 thai he had
voluntarily written letter Mr. Bowen, either that day the
day before in which he had taken back OF the unknd
references injurious statements which he had made Mr.
Bowen concerning


@ How long did that last interview LAST A. don't know
how long Mr. Bcecher and Mr. Mouon remained together
remember that Mr. Beecher sad somethng distinctly
bring my mind at this moment-which led him into vo-
lent outburs Of grief He sat and wep again and again.
his face assumed very peculiar redne In the midst which
Mr. Mouon asked me II would retire and leave the two to-
gcther alone, which did


@ Did you At that time leave The hcuse' A. Yes, Sir


q Nothing further then, occurred that dayf A. Nothing