Year: 1879

| democratic
| certain apathy on the part of the hard money
| democrats all over the State"


"rhen there is really schism. in your belief.
between hard money and soft money democrats In
! Ohioy'


| II cannot tell how open the breach may be. But
this is certain. many democrats say the substantial
triumph Of their party will never come until It Is
settled upon sound financial policy; they add that
it would be better suffer temporary defeat rather
than win a temporary victory on a platform threat
ening ultimate financial debauchery and ruin.


The conversation led at length into the domain of
national politics. Having put before General Car
field the report of General Grants recent converse.
| ton with Prince Kung in China. in which Grant
repels the idea of a third nomination of the Presi,
dency invited attention to this subject and asked


II see" he said "from the editorial articles in the
| HERALD that you have shown me-. that there Is
Grants sincerity. The HERALD properly resents it.
| Grant was undoubtedly sincere in saying what he
being so positive. Once while talking with General
| Grant, reminded him that there was time when
Napoleon Bonaparte did not know tnas ne was an
when he felt the truth: and he left It on record
with friend at st. Helena It was ut the storm
discovered himself. His troops had been moved
down in successive charges until their bodies en-
higher Napoleon, seeing that the Prussian guns
were still trained low against that horrtd mass.
enemy Is fire At that instant. Napoleon said. he be-
came convinced that he was the child
of fate or she o. se
Grant" continued Geuerai Garfield, II said
to him this:-'Now. General. there was time whom
you didn't, and there must have been time when
you did teel conscious OF possessing superior
powers. Tell me- r you can. when II was that that
let, conrusedly He sat silent for moment. and
then replied:--I don't think there was ever any
such crisis with me. But I'll tell you what has been
q hxeo notion OF mine from the start. have al
ways felt certain that IL ever sought or obtained
place by my own seeking ! should fail IN the dis,
never asked tor appointment in my life. When
Governor Yates asked me to take charge OF q regi-
ment distrusted my ability to do that To be sure,
l had commanded company in Mexico. but
that didn't prove that could handle regiment
told Governor Yates that he must appoint at his
own risk; if tailed it would be the fault of those
who put me in place. Ever since then it has been
my convection that if ever held any public post by
my own procurement should fail ut 1t because the
responsibility would be my own


Therefore" General Garfield went on to say. 1T
have manner OF doubt of General Grants sim
cerity in what he said to Prince Kung. Seeing that
u large number OF men in this country had been
deliberate preparation Tor his candidacy. 1t struck
him violation OF the rule of his life and
He has discouraged and prevented it accordingly."
to Prince Kung to imply his absolute rejection OF
third term noninatlony


..By no means. don't think that follows. II the
republican party should urge him with great una
nimity to accept the nomination nothing in that
dialogue would have committed him to . refusal. He
might refuse. have no means of knowing that his
distaste for third term in the White House would
not prove unconquerable. His statement in China



seeking. But ii tho nomination should come to him
not in the guise OF thing procured. but as the
spontaneous Offering OF the party he could accept it
in perfect consonance with rule which has guided
his whole career.


WILL HE BE NOMINATED?
'How about nominating him at all?'
"That is another and important question. Whether
Grant will be renominated depends largely upon the
behavior of the democrats next winter i'll Washing
ton, II they show determined purpose to break
down the safeguards OF national elections. deter
mined purpose to count in democratic President
and to subordinate national authority t, State su-
premacy, republicans may say:-'We must take
his ONCE II such CONTINGENCY AZ that arises the
republican party will suppress considerable dis


like to the third term principle and take GraLt. But
should the elections this fall bo strongly favor OF
tho republicans aud show the democrats that the
they have pursue has impcrilled their future
extravagantly during the winter. then I think the
republicans win deem it safe toxolow old traditions
and make no third term nomination..


.'The question is. What is best for the party or
what il best for the countryW


"Both great many republicans would regret
Grants denomination on general grounds; yet they
might acquiesce under the circumstances have just
| Indicated


Looking from the present standpoint. General.
noty'


stage and considering the probability OF republican
this fa, don't think Grant will be- reuomi-
| mated But say this under ali the rcseryations
| have named-rcservations which concern tho we'll
beng Of the whole country. North aud South.
1 diagnose the in this way:-The census
|
South toward Northern men and it's brutal treat
ment Of the negro have almost stopped omigra-
ti0n to the Southern States. Texas IL the exception
| There Germans and others going in, and it
seems though the time cannot be fur distant when
| wealth will enter on career OF great prosperity.
With this exception the tides OF prosperity not
how toward the south. and the census OF 1880 will
probably give the North thirty to thi .ty-fve oec
| toral votes relatively US compared with the vote
now. Now, what mean to say s, that the present
deplorabe i'll d solid South and solid North





| strength OF the North. which will make il
impossible for u small party in the North to unite
with the south aud keep formidable in that way.
Then the North and the South will both divide
politically; there will be general churning up-so
to speak-of political differences aud the sectional
line will gradually fade and disappear"
NO ''soLID sonrn' OR 'soLlD SOUTH"


lyon don't want. then. any SOLID party any


General tiarneld's response to this query was in
thoroughly non-partisan and patriotic that regret


my inability to depict his manner aud to reproduce
his exact words. The truth is that laid down
my pencil to listen. He eloquently disclaimed
n want OF sympathy with the people OF the South
III view of the unexampled revolution of their tor
tunes aud social state. His concern tor the coored
population something which goes without say
ing 1t was his warm yet discerning perception of
the problems with which the white population there
are Struggling. and Of the natural causes OF their
political state. that touched the spot where Voltare
located the Human % sense M ., Justice; ae aid not
people, and no Southerncr would have thought him
So Being diverted back. however. to the cold gen
eral question he proceeded thus:


"a solid, tyrannical party-no. should regard
1t AZ calamity for any state In the North to have.
lot say, q constant 1900 republican majority.
That would give license to any party to grow cor
rupt before it could DO defeated We see In the
fazoo affair the consent OF politicians to kill
of because he was independent OF his party. An
overgrown party in one locality or section always
threatens dangerous despotisn. The South,
where such condition exists, ts destined to 20
suffering from 1t. 1t has got to through fearful
interregnum OF political passion and one-sidedness.
and resulting loss OF character and business before
1t will come to rights again. Its hostility to
sumon is perhaps. the least execusable feature of
u policy, for the rest OF which stern
since the settlement of tho suggests the oscil
lations OF pendulum. In the war. swinging bel
lgerently northward at its ciose retreating: now,
in the midst of political reunion. after the ucfsat
the so-cal cd carpetbaggcrs. swinging north ward
again with threatening impetus. Blame the south
That il not to the point. In the war. that changed
all things, there we're thousands on both sides who