Year: 1879

purpose in what he said to the Chinese viceroy 1t
meant more for his own countrymen than for the
Chinese and no one can conceive of any motive for
saving it unless he sincere. for it places an OBJ
stacle in his way II he ever seeks the oilice."


POLITICAL EFFECT.


s'Whaf effect will this have upon his party?'


sThat foresee. 1t is idle to try to forecast
the action of political parties At all times there are
many and great changes. but they never rapid
are about to be made. Nothing is so fatal to
pirant to be too prominent and strong of due
season. This forces him to run against the field,
which is usually as ruinous in the political in the
horse race. 1t may be laid down a rule that
one will be the winner that thinks of. For
this reason every man In the United States Is in
danger of being made President"


"How will it affect the interests or action Of demo-
crats?"


II do not see that it win influence their action in
any degree"


:should his party force the nomination upon Com
eral Grant do you think he might accept itf'
'sNo can speculate upon any such contingency
or have any opinion upon that point. have known
men to accept nominations when they did not want
them and knew they ought not to take them
SENATOR KERNAN's COMMENTS.
/ found Senator Herman sitting in his law office,
chatting with neighbor about State and national
politics. He referred humorously to the days Of
lS4S and 1885, and recalled some very interesting
events which had made marred the future of his
party He also had read OF General Grants
sation with LiAung Chang land thought it of partic.
perfectly sincere in what he aaid. There's ques
ton about that Any one @ can see that. as he says
any man. For him to be again a candidate or even
to show such desire. would lower him very much
in the estimation OF all honest fair minded people,
think him honest. Always thought So But un-
fortunately those whom he allowed to cluster about
his administration were of great injury to him."


Senator Conkling had great influence with him P''
"Oh certainly; but do not mean such men
he. mean Beknap, shepherd and others of that
class Now, there was the Belknap scandal. That
coming, 1t did, close to the White House. gave
honest people who thought well of Grant disagree
able shock. AS for those who were hostile to him,
it gave them sort Of advantage. not that those who
understood the case or stopped to consider Grants
pected him. Oh no. Yet with the better class Of
his own party it had depressing effect"
ALL A BUGBEAR.


"well, Senator. don't your party admit that If
again nominated Grant would be electedY


"Not at all. sir. Not by any means. Why. there
are in my Judgment mon in his party to-day who
would command larger vote than he. 1t is all
bugbear. The idea that if nominated Grant would
sweep everything is absurd. The enthusiasm Of
1868 and the machinery Of 1872 are gone from him.
Sherman and Blaine or Conklng are as strong he.
not as q candidate for third term, mind you. but
o citizen honored abroad and respected at home.
'.Then you think him sincere. Senator when he
says the Office ought to be given to anotherY


"Undoubtedly, do. should he accept nomina-
ton for third term it would at dvest him Of
all respect His name will go to posterity the
less bright for having set his heel upon the humbug
known as the Grant Boom He has no object in
his wants AS for the honors, one has had q
larger share. He ought to be and is content. BY
the way, think the HERALD has done not only
to Grant. but the American people. service in
breaking up the movement. They have made
it SO ridiculous and absurd that none but
those insensble to general disgust will again men
tion it except q huge joke. Yet when it first
started it did boom and no mistake Last inter in
Washington. when the plan first sugge sted
prominent republican said to me. Grant is to pc
nominated for third term in $780, sure aud elected
too said to him. He may be nominated: but
elected. 'Oh, yes, he said, and worst Of all.
the same clique he had before will control him.
He then mentioned to me conhdentally large
movement. The scheme brilliant one; but,
like the glare OF the rocket. soon died
coast eas at the proper ms and be- broushs
| through with universal boom. l am
glad for his sake. as well as for the dignity Of
our people, that he set his face against it; not
that think him formidable candidate. AS have
said the democrats could afford to see him nomi-
mated right well. But it's against all precedent 1t
would violate the usages and break through tho
most cherished tradition of the Republic. Grant
That is is some honor. washington might have served
more terms, but refused. 1he sentiments OF the
people were in favor Of It. but with An Amagnanimity
life Thomas Jefferson said 1t was rule that should
not be broken" e~
| NOW WATCH FOR NEW CANDIDATES.
'what will be the effect Of Grants conversation
| with the Chinese Viceroy?"


"Well, it will bring forth a number Of repub-
lican candidates. perhaps. Some who remained in
the background while there was q fear with them
boldly and assert their claims to support. They
night"


II don't know that he is. No one seems to be cer-
tain of it. Yet think it likely"


"What his chancesY


.'As to that have no knowledge whatever. II
had would not like to say anything of neighbor,
you know. In the winter preceding the Cincinnati
Convention of 1876 thought him a strong candi-
date. 1 considered him as having all the support
Grant could command. In fact that winter his
prospects for the nomination were bright. But
unfortunately the Belknap exposure came on then,
and of course greatly weakened Grants influence.
naturally, subject to tho depressing in
huence which the Belknap affair created.
have been great in 1876 1t is natural to
suppose that lie would have used it in support of
Senator Conkling who had been his adviser and de-
fender from the outset of his career. Yet the
suit at Cincinnati does not bear out the presump
ton that General Grant has the power in politics i'm
puted to him..


"Do you think that very large number of
politicians will greet him on arrival?


tend him a welcome But few politicians will go
from the Atlantic States to the Pacific to meet
him. You may now be assured OF that


TILDEN's FUTURE.


"Well, Senator. you have told me the effect of
Grants conversation with Li-Hung Chang upon the
republican party. How will 1t influence the action
OF democratic leaders?"


II do not see how it will make the slightest differ
ence.'


"Wil it not improve Mr.. Tilden's or any other
democrats prospects in case of nomination.?
81 fail to discover any bearing 1t will have upon
Mr. Tilden's future. His and every other democrats
opportunities will depend upon individual standing
and the principles which he espouses."


"what will affect MIR. Tilden's prospects?


'well, do not wish to speak of him solely. As
Mr.. Springer said in the HERALD few days since.
IL New York be democratic this fall chances
of any from this State securing the Presidential
nomination very remote. New York must not
be doubtful State. IL she will have little weight
next year In the National Convention. Therefore it
is that already there is beginning which will end
in harmony among leaders who diffor in views to
proper methods OF securing success. All see tho
necessity of cooperation. You may depend upon .
rousirg democratic majority this fall in this State.


'Then the admonition OF Western democrats has
done more to restore harmony in New York than
any other causeY


''Yes. perhaps It has. In one respect democrats
differ with republicans Democrats sQuabble at and
before their conventions-rcpublicans afterward."
MAY not some Western democrat get the nomina-
ton next year anyway


ut may be. There Is nothing impossible about
that. IL Ohio. for instance. should go democratic
by an immense majority Ohio man next year
might be looked up to. Tho democrats there
very saiguinc of success.


"rhen, Senator. you think tho Grant third term
movement is past all hclpr"


'Decidedy. It's phantasv Of some mems brains
who arc in hopes of becoming again prominent by