Year: 1875

U3JOTc ne Saw me ne W66 bCauuluy tdlkIIls
to Se1lick ; called him over to me !; mex
saw Superintendent Walling the same day


l had no work at that time; l believe l say


Mosher and Douglass in Stromberg's sa


loon, "a Mott street, five times, but heart


that they or one of them was there ant


asked for me on some other occasions;


never wrote letter in Stromberg's saloon,


requesting him to give it to them or eithel


of them if they came no such letter wat
ever returned to me by Stromberg had ne


conversation with Stromberg in Christy


street in Sept. 1874, in which said could
make $40, 600 or $4,000; but by doing &c


would have to give away a.party and send


him to the penitcntiary the only converse.


tioa I ever had with him in relation tc


Nesher and Douglass was in his own saloon
n August or the latter part of September


/ believe Walling and myself were talking


about Moshcr and Douglass and my sister


and her four children; told him didn't


think was doing right towards my sister


and her children in being the means OF


Mosher's arrest, not through any sympathy


for him, but whatever would happen to him


my sister and her children would throw it


up to me as long as l lived he said, 81


don't know but what you are right, in fact,


Bill, think more of you for it :" / told


him as for Douglass would use my utmost


endeavors to have him taken and that 1t


might lead to the recovery of the child he


appeared satisfied and told me to do what


could nothing was said about arresting


Douglass.


Judge Elcock then questioned witness


about Madame Morrow, whom witness said


he knew; that she was in the fortune-telling


business. Witness met Douglass there, and
went down on the corner of Fourth and Cath


arine streets, afterwards stopped at Van
dykes. Witness continued when we got
to bed he was talking about Gill having Bill
arrested on the Red Bank affair l said
eyes, he'll have you's taken on this Ross
affair."" in a laughing way he said: "What
could they do with us, if they did get us ?'
they would have to prove it on to us they
would lave to get some one that seen us
take it, OR somebody that seen them with
it or it with them; he said "You wouldn't
say anything to Bill that I spoke to you
about it," I made him some answer, l
don't know what it was, assuring him that
wouldn't; he said "There was terrible
letter sent on there it would make your
hair stand for to read it :" I asked him :
Providing the parties were willing, how
would you get the money; he said that was
easy enough; / asked him how he said
there were plenty of ways; after some con-
versation, which I don't recollect, asked
him to name some way how they could get
it !; he said they could take train from me
certain place to another, and when they
would see signal to throw the money off ;
l asked how would they get the child; he
said they would not get it until some time
afterwards asked him who he thought
would be foolish enough to do anything like
that he then told me he thought of going
to London or Liverpool soon I asked him
what for he said, 40, q chang nge of PAM"
I asked him what he was going to do there
he said he was going to write from there, as
if he had quit off; previous to that he had
made arrangements to meet me at Gleason's
billiard saloon, in the Bowery, on Tuesday,
Wednesday or Thursday night of the follow
ing week, between and 9 O'Clock asked
him when l would see him again, or some
thing like that; Mosher said to witness
"You ought to know better, your common
sense ought to tell you it was job of Liz
and Gill )" that was all the conversation
held on it at either of these conversations
they did not inform me where the childwas;
wish to God they had.


left my house about 8 O'Clock Monday
intending to 90 see Superintel d mt
Walling and inform him that was to 90 to
meet Douglass; when I was within about
two blocks of headquarters, which was
mile and half or two miles from my house,
met young man named Mclaughlin, an
officer, who told me l had saved him the
trouble of going over as far as house, that
The old man, meaning Walling, wanted to
see me; told him was just going up there;
left him there and went up to headqurters
md went into Superintendent Walling's Of
ice; he called me into back room; he put
his hand on my back and said, 'It's all up,
Bill; asked him what; he told me that Bill
md Douglass were both dead; said "No,
It's not so, I seen the two of them Saturday
hight, and am to meet Douglass Tuesday,
Wednesday, or Thursday night" he said,
1T is so; Wait minute;' he went out in
he office and brought in the telegraph de-
o me; the despatch, think, was headed
Fort Hamilton, and stated that the two men
vas shot, and gave the names of Mosher
md Douglass, and said something about
hem being concerned in the stealing OF
/udIlcy hOSS, 1 COuluu u TCCOlltCU WHdt IL
vas; after little while he said, "You would
'etter go down there and see, and when you
ONE back let me know" went down there
nd saw the bodies; came back and went to
Walling's Office; I told him
hat it was them;. nothing further that re-
ollect; did not 60 down to Fort Hamilton
With any one; saw Superintendent Wall
ng night atd day after that constantly in
eterence to information to see If we couldn't
,et some(c to the child. tr-,.


took my sisterto see him short time


couldn't say how many days after their
eath; used to question my sister in refer.
nee to any friends Mosher had, who he
new or was acquainted with; and what in
l got in that way I communicated
0 Superintendent ,Walling; this was after
he death; this was not within my knowl-
dge before the death; some of the parties
ad never heard of before; couldn't say
hen first saw Henry Hartman after the
illing; it was the next Wednesday or