Year: 1865

thing acas said by the party as to scho struck


Broaon heard nothing said about kicking
Broaon or Scanlon. ] had no Knife that night.


We left Carney in Wolcott's saloon.


DR.. JOHN II. CoNOvER, sworp.-I saw the
body of Gilbert Perrine, after his death. on
Sunday morning last, at his brothers, (John
Perrine's,) near Englishtown. | assisted DR..
Freeman in making post mortem examination
There was wound in the chest about the
fourth rib-between the cartilage and the rib


on the right side of the sternum. 1t entered
the right ventricle of the heart. passing through
the partition WALL as some term it, of the heart.
did not measure the length aronnd, except with
my eye, nor the depth. [Oliphant's knife shown. ]
L passed this knife into the wound through the
cartilage. The skin seemed cut a little larger
than the cartilage. The orifce in the cartilage
was not quite under the wound in the skin. 1


suppose it may may have been caused by the
knife slipping on the bone till it came to the car


tillsge where it entered. The knife fitted the


wound in the carfllage it then passed through


the diaphram into the right ventricle then thro


the partition. The orifce through the partition


looks as if the point of the knife had made it.


introduced my little finger to ascertain the size


of the cut-into the heart. did not apply the


knife to the wound in the heart after it was sep


arated from the body. did not apply the knife


to ascertain the depth of the wound In the


heart the wound appeared as if made with a


knife sharp on one side. | have no doubt the


wound was produced by this knife, or one of sim


liar size. That wound was undoubtedly the cause


of his death. He died of internal hemorrhage


| did not measure the depth of the wound, but,


as near as | could judge, it was about three


inches As he lay upon his back, there was, of


course, falling back of the heart, but in that


position the wound was not more than three


inches deep. In standing position, the heart of


man in health would occupy nearly the same


position. Actual meaAnrement, as | found him.


would not determine the depth of the wound.


inserted the blade Of the knife in the wound be-


fore dissection. A wound in cartilage is bet


ter defined than one in muscle. 1t is harder


The wound was made with the back of the knife


up The blade of this knife fitted the orice in


the cartilage very nicely. A wider blade could


not have heen introduced without cutting the


cartilage. 1t would not have required a severe


blow to have made the wound. could have d.
vided the cartilage with a very small penknife.
The wound in the heart was oblique, from the


right to the left and little downward The
bleeding from such wound would not be SO rapid
as one across the fibre of the muscle. After such
a wound, hink man might walk from the
scales to Perrine's store From the nature of
this wound. the bleeding would be internal. The
sliding of the skin, covering the orifce, would
prevent external bleeding From this wound,


the blood would gather in the chest if the man
was standing up. [Oliphant's handkerchief
shown.l | have seen this handkerchief before.
Have examined the blood upen it. but have had
no opportunity of Judging Of it chemically. I
would not like to say whether it was arterial or
venous blood. / should think it was venous.-
When first saw the handkerchief, my impress
sion was that there was the crease Of a knife on
it. My attention was called to it, and l tho't
SO from examination. 1t was nothing that was
said it was held up to me. Ehe blood had stiff
ened upon the handkerchief, showing the creases
it has been tiattened out since. / suppose a tho
rough chemist could show what kind of blood it
is [Tho's Mahar's knife shown Ths could
not have made the wound. [Carney's knife
shown,1 I should not think that tho wound was
made by that, l should think it was made by
knife not so thick; that's my impression. There
was nothing on the outside of the wound to
show that the blade entered its entire length =
If the stains on the handkerchief had been made
by wiping the knife that made the wound, it
might be either venOus or arterial.


MARTIN CARNEY, s,corn-I was in the street
on Friday night when the difficulty took place.
l do not know Brown. Did not see three men
in their shirt sleeves by the scales. / was ip
Frey's saloon that evening. Saw man that
went cut of the SALOON. Did not know what his
name was. Never saw him before to my knoWl-
edge. 0liphant and this man were quarreEpg
there. When he went out some eight or nine or
ten men went out after him. l did not go out
at the same time. / was showed over there by1
the rgsh of the crowd. After got up I went
out. Didn't see where he went when he went
out. Did not notice who weat out after him.
stood at Wards corner after I,went out. Stood
there Is or 20 minutes. or 10 n,inutes-can't tsay.
Captain Lake, Van Hartshorne, Murdock, oil
phant, / believe John Errickson's two boys,
Tho's and EdEyard Maher. DID not notice Flem
ing: Murdoch ani / had little difficulty, and
we went up as far as Emmons shoe shop. DR.
ricksons boys and some others were on ahead
We stood there till Oliphant followed that there
were three men come, in their shirt sleeves. to


lick him. We came back to Wards corner then.
Murdoch and Maher run over to Oliphant. l
think the voice that called was Olpbant's.-
Nothing was said, believe. but Tom knocked
this man down, and Murdoch stood kicking him. |
said that's not right, and Oliphant said the
same. l stood at Wards corner. They were
right across about midway of the street. Oil
ohant Murdoch, and the others. There was a


little wagon on the corner, with some men IN 1t. |
think the man who was knocked down had no
coat on. The man who was knocked down stood
near the corner of the scales up South street
corner towards Wards. Don't remember hear


ng anything said about knives. lie fell towards |
Barkalow's. Fleming might have been there for
al know. There were a good many there
Did not see the man who was run out of the sa-
n there; he might have been. Saw no other
persons there in their shirt sleeves. Me and
Oliphant went down to Wocott's saloon after


he man was struck-right down-the whole
,r0wd came d0wn-six or seven-oght or nine. |
did not go over to MesslOr's saloon. Nothing
vas said in Wolcott's saloon about knives. All
vent down together. Olipnant treated. ! did
lot sit down. After we went out of the saloon
We went home. Vert through Court street. No
me was with me. The others went out ahead.
stopped to get paper Of tobacco. They went
Up Main street. / overlook them the other side |
# Ellis lumber yard. Tho's and Ed. Maher. l
lid not see Oliphant and Fleming l was not
'ver where the row was. was on Wards cor
ler / walked around there, / was not near


he hay scales that night. Did not see any one
yoing up Main street from there after Brown
vas struck Saw no one cross over towards |
Court street Heard nothing said by the persons
was with about striking or kicking Brown. |
rom the, time he was struck until we parted at


he saoqn. Saw no other person struck. DIRK


hoWn ] 1t was mine one time, i never carried
da. since came from the army. l left it |


It the house. Game home last August year


go. | gave it 30 my mother. j guessshe kept
I in chest l don't know, have not seen it |