Year: 1865

THURSDAY MORNING.


THOMAS MAHER, sporn.


was on the sidewalk up by the tin shop, on
South street. at the time of The difficulty on
Friday night last Carney and Murdock were
with me. There was a difficulty between Muir
dock and Carney, and wanted to part them,
without fighting, if possible. My attention was
called back to the hay scales. My name was
called. Don't know who called me. The person
who called stood on the scales, or yeIy near
there. He was in the crowd there-some eight
or ten of them. He said, come here, Tom
| started to go there, and on my way saw man
knocked down. | was in the street about six
feet from the scales. going towards them l.
stopped as soon as the man was knocked down,
and saw him go over aid not know him, but
understood afterwards that it was Brown. Was
rot near enough to see who knocked him down.
Did not see where he was struck He fell over
against the steely ards, as he went over. He had
something that shined very bright in his hands


like knife. at the time he was struck. Myself
Carney, OliphanU. Fleming, Murdock and four
or five more, l can't say who they were. think
Erickson s son was there. Ed. Maher was there
Scanlon stood on the end of the scales next Main
street He had knife or pistol in his hand
l can't say which, Another man stood by Scan


Ion in his shirt sleeves. When Brown was struck
the crowd we're about ten feet from the man who
stood by Scanlon. There was no conversation
there to my knowledge. After Brown fell saw
no one do anything to him. AS soon as he as
strnck went over to Wards corner. At the
time Brown was knocked down, some of the
crowd stood on the scales, and some off the end
up South street. Can't say who stood on the
scales, or who stood eff From there | started
to 60 to Wolcott's saloon, and just before went
down | looked back and saw some Of them COM
ing. | went on down in the saloon and Carney
Oliphant, Fleming, and I can't say whether Mir
dock or my brother, came down or not. We took
a glass Of ale, and then went right home.
came opt first, crossed over by the Court House,
and went up Court street home. My brother,
0Iiphant, Carney and Fleming went with me-
Did not go over by Messlors saloon, nor did any
of the rest go there. | was down in the saloon
before they came down-going in the door as
they came on the steps. l could not see the man
after he was knocked down, for the crowd--
There was no consultation about it in the saloon,
or on our way home. There was nothing said
among us about those men coming there to fight.
When Brown was knocked down, the other man
stepped back, and Scanlon said, calling the other
man by name, Take care of yourself, l am 60
ing to shoot at them" Scanlon and Perrine
stood on the scales. side by side, looking at the
crowd, when l went TO the saloon At the y4ime
| went away, | couldn't say who stood nearest
them Nobody stood within ten or twelve feet
of them. Scanlon stood wihin four feet of Per-
rne when he said &c take care" &c. Saw nobody
about Brown with lantern when | went to the
SALOON When l came out, saw a light coming
down the street. Didn't stop to see who it was.
| was about twenty feet off when Scanlon made
the remark to Perrine. AT that timo Scanlon
stood off the scales about four feet from the end
yyac rardS hot
| could see. Carney stood on the scales at that
time. ! wouldn't be certain that be didn't say
go back or Ill shoot you" | don't think he
did Nothing said in Wolcott's saloon about
knives, to my knowledge. | saw Scanlon put
out of Freys saloon that night. Heard nothing
said there about ripping or cutting anybody
From the time he went OF. of the saloon until
Brown was knocked down was about three-quar-
ters of an hour. Yes, must have been an hour.
was sitting on Wards corner during that time.
There were there with me Van Hartshorne and
0liphant. Had ihe niger question up. Carney
was there part Of the time and Billy Dobe-
Nothing was said about doing anything to Scan
Ion. Brown was there pretty much all the time.
When Scanlon called out, I'm going TO shoot"
he called a name. / don't know whether it was
Perrine or not.


DAVID s. OLIrHANr Srorn


I,was on the street ON Friday night when the
difficulty occurred | stood on the end of the
hay scales next to Barkaow's yard. Several
were around there; Thos. Maher, Murdoch,
Ed. Maher, Fleming, Carney, Wills Erickson,
Emmons (the basket maker's) son, Forman
Patterson and four or five others; l can't Iecol-
lect their names now. Saw three men there in
their shirt sleeves Scanlon, Brown and Perrine
Brown stood very close to me on the end of the
scales next to Barkalows yard. Perrine and
Scanlon stood on the end next to Main street.
was on the scales first. Fleming and the rest
of the party were all around there at the time
the men in their shirt sleeves came up. Muir
dock and Carney were talking over the difficulty
they had that night on the other side of the
street. All the others were at the scales. When
the three men came rushing up, Scanon and
Brown both called out, where's that fighting
man. pointed and said there he is across
the street" Brown pointed to Scanlon and said
"bcres our fighting man." Brown and Scanon
had some words with Maher and myself and the
Others that were with me, when Carney and
Murdock came up. Then some one asked Brown
what he had in his hand. He said "nothing,
at the same time opening his hand and shutting
up the knife and putting it in bis pocket. They
were then talking all together among themselves |
Asked Brown what he drew knife for. He
said thai he had no knife One Of the party |
Thos. Maher, told him that he had. Maher then |





then kicked him twice, on the head He was
struck in the face by Maher. Murdock was |
standing behind the hay scales. When Muir
dock was kicking told him to stop, that he
was hurt, and he had no business to kick him. |
When Brown was struck stood rather on the |
south end Of the scales, facing toward Main
street, on the southwest corner. Was nearer
that corner than the other; not on the corner
Murdoch stood at my left. Broyn stood about
on the southwest corner, on my left. Perrine
and Scanlon stood on the end next to Main st /,
about the length of the scales from Brown
think Perrine was the nearest to Brown; there
was very little difference if any. Maher stood
about two PAGES to the right of me, little in
'front.' Carney was on my right close to Maber.
| don't know which side Of him After Maher
struck Brown he stepped back and went across
the street towards Messlers saloon. Scanon
and Perripe turned on their heels and run as
soon as Brown was struck. They went around
the corner of Barkalows porch. don't know
whether they went across or up the street. There