Year: 1868




that the Chnrch OF Ireland at that period was not per


fecty ripe 10 be dealt with. but the indifference when
peryaded the public mind on the subject was In my Ju5


nent such that any In responsible position WHO
attempted 10 direct the action Of party against wy
continuance of the Established Church OF ireland woui
have been guilty, in point Of prudence to an error @
injurious TO the public interests. Hear, hear ei.,
came the occasion which gave the likelihood Of closing ~


feel the responsibility or opening II now, but nav
backward to bear my share OF It, for am
that the time has when there Is hope OF closing ~
Much has been said with respect TO the tlnie ~ %
this motion introduced and IL was point whch Was
dwelt upon by my hon. friend the senior member ior
University Of Oxford who treated this subject VIII
candOr aud obvious fairness and usness OF nina Wlo
conspicuous In him as MS sobrety laugns1 anu anu
his clearness Of Judgment There are many BTOuhs ~
foT Sne dealing El with te QUESTION @ the church Of


has been said that the subject could not be aify


econ provided that during the present year some Tea
and eectua progress can be made hear, hear ana as
point more advanced next year ear, hear The state
of opinion In the country amply Justtes tho ateWps wy
was misunderstood when ne supposed 70 nave sad
this was motion unite theberal party. ION, OIL Inc
OF them may assume that there was party object IN
view, claim TO be Judged by the public Interests
matter TO make 1t difficult for the Government 10 continue
in their offices; but have undoubtedly proceeded on
the principle that the interests involved In the condition
Ireland OF such character and magnitude as 70
entirely throw into the shade every question
with the continuance In dsmsmissal from Office OF
any governm ent. Hear hearl will not DO the hypo
rite to say that view tho existence OF the present Gov


sasfaotion-[hearlbu say that the state OF opinion
both IN the house and OF itcries Of Question u
and In spite OF the attempts which have been made 70 I'm
port religious diherencos only go TO demonstrate tnat
with us-(hear hearland thus we may know now lnls
questionIs to be settled will do the Government ths
the question Of the religious condition of Ire
cv Tae & sns s s.ef Touched the religious
question. The plan was put forward with striking
ppns sea- of n Roman
the country and to show there objection to new
endowments Had we been as much divided as party
as we are united, L. as individual could not look at
the state OF Ireland at this PERIOD with respect 70 It's con-
nectio1 with the general security % s c empire anu Eey
entertained upon the notice OF Parliament Hear, hear
Commissioners Of Works lord J. Mannersli He drew
rosy picture and described tho Fenan conspiracy as FOUL
hateful abomnabe and so far / agree with him; but
the noble lord added that II cOntempble and that
ls existence terminated by the overwhelming lSy


fiat contradiction OF the statement given by the Chief
Secretary for Ireland He described portion OF tnat
country where Fenansm especially prevailed I'm very diff
ferent Language from that used by the First Commissioner
OF Works and well know which OF those statements is
Peel when he submitted the Maynooth grant, and the
comparatively trng character OF the questions then In
dispute between Great Britain aud America and do you
remember when he told you Of the little cloud that
In the western sky bigger than mans had but whloh
might grow into gigantic dimensions, and from which
might arsef In the present state Of Ireland whore
peace secured only by the power England ana where
the Minister that there is widespread sym
pathy with Fenianisn, not willing 10 continue re-
sponsble for condition of affairs that may involve con
ncts which, although remote are pOssibe nor Will
consent to be until have every effort 10 clear the
OF this country with respect 10 Its dealing with
Ireland. Cheers IL is time for MS 10 abandon the doc
trne Of exclusive loyalty fed by exclusive privileges
Hear hear What said my right honorable friend Mr.
WalpoeDl Are You going 70 convert into enemies the
men who have the nucleus Of British feeling and 10y
atty and sentiment In lrelandP lhnistefiai ehoersl
distinction between class and another but that OF obe
and dobedieneo 20 the law Ideny that have


moral right to draw distinction between one system OF
religious persuasion and another. and 10 ono with
privilege, leaving them open TO the imputaton OF pur-
chased loyalty while the other the mass Of tue people
held in fatal estimation What was the case as To
the government Of the colonies 80 years ago There was
then In connection with each colony }" British party
who always In woful minority, and Whenever 1t
proposed TO egsate In the interests of tho colony
told that We would aenate ana eKaspeIate the
British party. the who were always loyal who had
adhered 10 you In all your privileges and vel they
might they had been the chief instruments In creating
them Cheers The friends OF the Protestans ia ITc-
land do them. believe great Injustice We have got
British party mOre-for their misfortune and Tor
ours We have still for tho colonies, but u Is now
the whole British conmunity and 30 u val bc ~ respect
Of Ireland Apply your laws aud 70 their adnint tfation
the principles OF equity and equality ana your bt,tsh
hgent and rightminded man. Cheeral our duty Is 70
strengthen the foundations OF tho thrOne-lirOucal
cheers and countercheorsl-t0 consolidate tho nsutu
tOns OF the country, hud to purruo those GLORIOUS
ends by means not less pure, by bringing about aud
strengthening unOn OF hearts aud minds among all Her
Majesty SUBJECTS. Upon thht WOik We lave ehteIeu
and In the prosecution OIL trust we sha not De ar
rested But although no attempt has been made In the
House to arrest u.s. unless the ordinary channels OF IN
formation be snguary Insecure there nave been decar





First has been said that the resolutions now before the
Committee call upon Her Majesty 70 decline the perform
Of duties imposed upon Her Majesty In her execu
tive capacity by Parliament That by much the
least important OF these accusations because IL happens
hear The resolutions have not the smallest reference
anything to DO done by Her Majesty ia her executive
capacity except simply concession which we pray may
be raeously made 20 OF permission 70 onter the
consideration OF a certain legislative measure with
respect % the Church OF Ireland. Hear, hear That,
therefore, pass 10y Of small Importance.
The next announcement Is that II tails House should
irIeconoiable hostility between the two Houses OF
Parliament. In my opinion that IA neither q
be made even by the youngest or .he the least exper
bat that from the quarter 20 which II Is asSrbed should
prOceedthe grntuitOus suppOsitOn that something Is 10
be done here which is 10 produce this rcOncabe hos
tity appears to 10 betoken woefu alteration Of
Judgment Cheers and laughterl But furthermore,
power set up which Is to direct the Government aud
the Crown IN the discharge OF their duties and the Mu


listers told that II the House OF Commons snail pass
any address to Her Majesty IN conformity Win the icso-
they compassionatey informed by the presiding
genius loud cheers aud laughteTl VIII DO 10 advise Her
Majesty withhold her assent Then lastly, supp0sng
that even that should not be found measure completely
successfu-suppOslng any factiOus" opposition To the
Government should appearthat Is 70 say, suppOsing
the majority OF tho representatives, OF the people cheers
the privileges and the duties which are INSOFAR
able from the powers which they inherited from their
forefathers as much as any peer OF Parliament has
inherited his priyegesl prolonged cheers then Her
Majesty's Government arc on no account TO resign
[laughterl-until 1902 because immediate dissolution
Is impossible or next TO impossible Detailed comment
these propositions Is not necessary. Hear hear
think tho right honorable gentleman opposite knows
enough Of this house to DO aware what effect they will


produce upon its mind lCheers But there Is thing


must observe, aud that Is that the whole OF these pro-
positions which have cited unexaggerated language
delivered In tho face and hearing OF the ministers
OF the and by those ministers either
OF unrebuked loud cheers Now, under these cir
cumstances though, have said. many words not
necessary, yet few may be useful and for speak
ing member OF Parliament, and not presumng 10
commit any other give fair notice that In the dis
charge Of the duties which the constitution assigns as


Representative OF tho people will not, upon any cOnd


tOns consent TO receive from another place the word OF
command. prolonged cheeringl l earnestly hope that
the resolution before the committee Will DO ac-
cepted by large and decisive majority. We are Gu
gagged In great and solemn work We are about TO con-
least this side OF the house hope great
boon upon the people Of Ireland yet boon strictly their
due because strictly confined within the limits Of equity
and instioe lHear. hearl IL Is nlIsake 70 snppOse