Year: 1861

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expense of this government How much
has it paid into our treasury How much
does he suppose twill, until the armies OF
the countrr rhaverelieved his sPeoPle2 How
much has been contributed by those living
east of the mountains towards the eXpen-.
ditures that have already been incurred,
and how much do we expect will be con-
tributed towards those to be hereafter metz
l say not this by way of reproachi but of
sorrow. 1t is because of the inability of
those who we say are devoted to the Union,
to do so; they have been prevented from
doing it; aud we have notthe power of
ourselves to relieve them. Ifrelieved at all,
they must be relieved by the Federal pow
4 er, aud by our taking action here which
will relieve to a small degree the federal
army and will enable it to retain in our
midst "a less force than will be otherwise
required. We to that extent early contrib
ute to the realization of the hopes of our
| loyal friends east of the mountains.


| : But we are met with the question how
is this debt to be apportioned and settled2
1t is sufficient answer at any and all
times to say that it is to be met whenever
division takes place, and if there is any
argument in5the question at all, ifauything
/ is to be inferred by its use,. it is an argu-
ment against Division for all time and
under all circumstances; for whenever it
| takes place it must be met. But, sir,
will say that if there could be no other
way of meeting it we could meet it by
| buying up every dollar of it ourselves. If
! we had separate State existence we
could issue our bonds in the market and
command fifteen millions of money to-
morrow; and if our bonds can now be
bought up at thirty cents on the dollar,
as a gentleman of this city informs me,
! less than fifteen millions would pay the
forty-six millions which Virginia owed
prior to the first of January last. But
there is no necessity for this. The ques
tion of an equitable assumption can be
met just as we'll to-day rs it can be n
hundred years hence, if those who come
after US are found as we are struggling for
this separation. ,.s.., .. ...=-


Give us, then, the position designed for
us. Let us avail ourselves of this oppor-
tunity There is no reason in morals, and
there is no reason in law, why we should
not avail ourselves of it. There has never
been a time before, in my humble judg-
ment, when it could be accomplished, and
think it extremely doubtful if there ever
will be again, when it can be accomplished
peacefully, constitutionally and legally
Now is the day and now is the hour
"There is tide in the affairs of peoples
as we'll rs the affairs of "men, which taken
at the flood leads onto fortune" That tide
is flowing for US. Let US avail ourselves
of it. Let not the golden moments pass
by, for they may never return. Let us all
sacrifice all of personal pride and personal
feeling and private opinion we may have
entertained. Let it all go as the veriest
dust; let it be thrown to the winds of hea-
ven, and let US bring to the altar of our
common country all the patriotism and all
the wisdom that is within US. l repeat,
sir, there is no difference of sentiment
among the members of this body, or among
our constituents, as to the support we
should give the cause of the Union. Its
flag we will maintain and uphold, and we
can better do this with separate exist
ence than we can now, embarrassed as we
are at every step we take by the innumer-
able burdens thatare weighing upon US SO
long as we remain in this State.


II Mr.. CARLILE then proceeded to reply to
charges of sympathy with secession made
by Mr.. Polsley against Senator johnson, oi
Missouri, after which he concluded his re-
marks as follows:


Mr.. President, with the evidences which
we have of the desire on the part of the
people to be heard upon this question,





think it is as little as we can do as repre-
sentatives protesting obedience to the will
of that people, to give them au opportuni-
ty to be heard at the ballot-box upon this
subject. This is all we propose; all we
ask all we will be pledged to by any ac-
ton of our own; and, sir, that we may not
be here an interminable length of time,
and that this thing may close one way or
the other, would suggest to the friends of
this measure, that we sit here and patient
lily vote down all motions to adjourn until
spent many night in similar bodies, and
II think it is the only way in which an end
| can sometimes be reached I am perfectly
willing to sit here until the sun rises to-
morrow, and for one, shall vote against
all adjournment till vote is taken upon
this subject. ......-..r as-f-
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