OR WHEN YOU LIKE OR IF YOU TURN IT OFF OR SOMETHING IF IT CAN SPEAK IF IT COULD ACTUALLY SAY THE SLOGAN IT MIGHT BE A BIT MORE POWERFUL THAN JUST HAVING IT WRITTEN ON IT SOMEWHERE I D I D ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT AT ALL I THINK THAT'D PROBABLY SCARE ME YOU TURN IT ON YOUR CONTROL POSSESSED S UM UNLESS AN A I MEAN IF YOU ALSO WOULD THAT WORK IF WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE UM AN L. C. D. DISPLAY WHERE WOULD WE PUT THAT WOULD WE PUT THAT ON THE INSIDE OR UM WHAT WHAT'S THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THAT YEAH BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE USING IT WHAT WOULD WE WHAT WOULD WE ACHIEVE FROM IT PUTTING IN LIGHTS IS CHEAP BUT PUTTING IN AN L. C. D. PANEL JUST TO MAKE IT GLOW IS A BIT OF A AND THE TH THE THING I COULD SEE IT HELPING WITH WOULD BE IF IT WAS SOMEHOW CONNECTED WITH UM LISTINGS SO AS YOU SCROLL THROUGH 'CAUSE WE SAID WE MIGHT HAVE A JOG DIAL SO AS YOU SCROLL THROUGH YOUR STATIONS YOU CAN Y IT ACTUALLY TELLS YOU WHAT IT IS RIGHT OKAY MM OH YEAH THAT'S TRUE YEAH SO SO NO NEED FOR AN L. C. D. DISPLAY I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT VERY COMPLEX 'CAUSE THE L. C. D. TENDS TO BE AN OUTPUT AS UH AS OPPOSED TO AN INPUT SO UM DOES THE REMOTE CONTROL NEED TO TALK BACK TO THE USER WE HAVE THE OPTION OF THE SPEAKER AS WELL THE SA THE SAME THING GOES FOR THE SPEAKER IS THERE A NEED FOR THE REMOTE CONTROL TO TO TALK BACK UM I WOULD SAY NO NEED FOR A TALK BACK UH DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT NO NO EASY MM MM UM I MEAN DO YOU WANNA GROUP THEM INTO S HEAD OF THE SNOWMAN BODY OF THE SNOWMAN INSIDE OF THE SNOWMAN IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING UM WELL I THINK THE ADVANCED ONES THE THE ONES YOU DON'T USUALLY USE COULD BE HID INSIDE B UM I THINK THE WE HAD WERE FAIRLY BASIC ONES THEY'D HAVE TO GO ON THE THE FRONT SOMEWHERE OKAY RIGHT UM WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WOULD YOU PHYSICALLY POSITION THE BUTTONS UM I THINK THAT THAT HAS SOME IMPACT ON ON ON MANY THINGS UM MAYBE YOU WANNA DRAW ONTO THE SO I'M JUST GONNA UM POP THIS IN HERE 'CAUSE I HAVE A SLIDE ABOUT DECISION MAKING WHICH I'D FORGOTTEN ABOUT OH SH GOD WE'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES UM OKAY UH BACK WE GO UM ENERGY WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT'S SUGGESTING WE'RE HOW WE'RE POWERING THE THING I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS KINETIC THING WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE BACK UP OF THE BATTERY BUT HAVE HAVE KINETIC POWER I MEAN WHAT DOES ANYBODY THINK ABOUT THAT AND THE THE THE ONE ISSUE WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WITH THEM IS THAT YOU'RE COMMITTING THE USER TO MOVING IT AND WATCHES YEAH SURE OKAY RIGHT OKAY OKAY I MEAN JUST IT'S JUST WORTH POINTING OUT BECAUSE LIKE I'VE I'VE KNOWN I'VE KNOWN PEOPLE TO HAVE KINETIC WATCHES THAT THEY WEAR ALL THE TIME AND IT'S JUST LIKE MAGIC BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS POWERED AND THERE'S NO BATTERY I'VE ALSO KNOWN PEOPLE TO HAVE THINGS LIKE LIKE A JEWELLERY WATCH THEY WEAR FROM TIME TO TIME AND THEY EVENTUALLY JUST SAY IT'S JUST TOO MUCH OF A NUISANCE BECAUSE I DON'T WEAR IT ALL THE TIME LIKE REMOTE CONTROL IS SIMILAR YOU'RE AWAY ON VACATION I DUNNO WHATEVER YOU SOMETHING AND IT JUST STARTS TO GET WORN DOWN SO WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT SO YOU'D HAVE THE BATTERY AS THE KIND OF TO KEEP IT TICKING OVER IDEA I'M REALLY SORRY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WRAP UP QUITE QUICKLY WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TIME AS I THOUGHT UM SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT ENERGY IS REFERRING TO HERE CHIP ON PRINT IS THAT THAT'S AN INDUSTRIAL DESIGN THING IS IT DAVID OKAY UM AS FOR THE CASE KIND OF DISCUSSED THAT AND THIS SIZE HERE I'D SUGGEST THIS BE SMALL LIKE QUITE SMALL YEAH I THINK SO YEAH UM JUST A A LOT OF THE UM I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS RUNNING THROUGH MY MIND RIGHT NOW I REALISE WE'RE BEING EFFICIENT TO WRAP UP THE MEETING AND HAVE LOTS OF DECISIONS MADE UM BUT WE ARE LEANING QUITE A BIT TO THE SIDE OF BEING LOW TECH RUBBER BUTTONS PLASTIC FRAME IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE REPRODUCING THE SAME OLD REMOTE CONTROL THAT'S OUT THERE SHOULD WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING THIS HIGH TECH USER FRIENDLY UH UM THEME LIKE WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE U WE'RE USING TO TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS LIKE OKAY SO SO BACKLIGHTING THAT WOULD BE GOOD UM YOU KNOW A A GLOWING A A GLOWING YELLOW TYPE CASE WHERE THE YELLOW IS SHOWABLE BUT IN THE DARK IT SORT OF IT'S ALIVE UM IN IN A SLIGHT SUBTLE WAY YEAH YEAH YEAH IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN SURE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE CORDLESS MICE AND THEY DON'T EAT THAT MUCH POWER RIGHT SO THE POWER THE BATTERY IN THAT SENSE MAYBE YOU HAVE ONE OR TWO STRATIG STRATEGICALLY PLACED LIGHTS THAT SORT OF OKAY LIGHTS 'KAY YEAH MM-HMM UM AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE WE'RE S WE'VE COMMITTED OURSELVES TO ACHIEVING IS SIMPLICITY AND SO I'M THINKING MAYBE SHOULD WE TRY AND THINK ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING LIKE UM SOME KIND OF AN INNOVATIVE CONCEPT ABOUT HOW THE UM THE VOLUME AND THE CHANNELS ARE CONTROLLED 'CAUSE THAT'S THE MAIN THING PEOPLE WILL F WANNA DO COULD WE USE LIKE A JOG DIAL LIKE A NICE JUST SORT OF ROUND SOMEWHERE ON IT WHERE YOU JUST ROLL IT OR DO YOU WANT 'EM TO ROLL IT LIKE THAT DO YOU WANT 'EM TO ROLL IT LIKE THAT 'CAUSE IN A MOUSE YOUR HAND'S IN A POSITION TO ROLL IT WHEREAS THE OTHER THING ABOUT HAVING IT JOG DIAL THIS WAY IT TENDS TO GET MOVED ACCIDENTALLY MM-HMM WELL WHY DON'T WE DO IT LIKE A MOUSE THEN IF YOU'RE HOLDING IT IN YOUR HAND YOU COULD DO YOU THINK OKAY CAN YOU IMAGINE YOU HAVE TO SCROLL A LOT UM IT MIGHT WORK FOR VOLUME AND MAYBE SOME OF THE BRIGHTNESS CONTROLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT NOT FOR CHANNELS RIGHT IF YOU HAVE A TELEWEST BOX YOU'VE GOT LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY ALL THE CHANNELS YOU'VE ABOUT FIFTY CHANNELS CAN YOU IMAGINE TRYING TO UM AND I DON'T THINK HAVING THAT YOU KNOW TOO QUICK TOO SLOW KIN IT'S CONFUSING TO THE I DUNNO YEAH YEAH OKAY OKAY JUST YEAH YEAH OKAY UM RIGHT WELL WOULDN'T IT WE DO NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER WE WANT TO INCORPORATE A JOG DIAL IN NICE AND QUICKLY UM I'M ALL FOR THEM ACTUALLY I THINK THEY'RE QUITE YOU KNOW TH VERY QUICK TO M TO USE SO DOES ANYBODY OPPOSE THE IDEA OF OF INCORPORATING ONE INTO THE DESIGN AT ALL NO