REALLY WE'D HAVE TO USE SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU BUT TO UH M MAKE IT RIGHT OH NICE UM HMM HUH IT DOES SCROLL BUT IT IS HUGELY COMPLICATED WHAT ELSE HAVE WE GOT WOW THEM THEY'RE TERRIBLE BUT THEY ALL HAVE THIS THIS FEATURE OF THIS UH IT'S NOT QUITE A SCROLL WHEEL BUT IT'S A SELECTION WHEEL IT'S A KIND OF SELECTION IN THIS CIRCLE WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA BUT WE CAN IMPLEMENT IT WITH SIMPLE PUSH BUTTONS WHICH IS MUCH CHEAPER WHICH IS GOOD AND THEN AND THEN YEAH SO I MEAN EITHER A CHANNEL UP AND DOWN VOLUME UP AND DOWN NEXT APPEARING PROGRAMMES UP AND DOWN UH AND THEN ALSO WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DIFFERENT MENUS ON THE SCREEN IT'S GOT YOUR THINGS LIKE SETTINGS AND CONTRAST UP AND DOWN SO ALL YOU REALLY NEED IS THESE FOUR BUTTONS WITH THE ENTER IN THE MIDDLE OKAY AND THAT'S IT LOOK AT LOOK AT THIS ONE OH THAT'S REALLY NICE DO YOU THINK WITH UM IT SEEMS THAT THAT UH YOU GUYS ARE QUITE KEEN ON THE PLASTIC PERHAPS THE SOMETHING REMINISCENT OF THE CHILD'S REMOTE DO YOU THINK WE COULD PUT IT IN A IN A FRUIT COLOUR AND HAVE IT ABSTRACT YOU KNOW WE COULD CALL LIKE A FRUIT NAME BUT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE ABSTRACT MM WE WE COULD ACTUALLY DO IT IN RUBBER INSTEAD OF PLASTIC IF YOU'D RATHER IF YOU FEEL IF YOU LIKE THE SPONGY HMM YEAH I'M THINKING MAYBE WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABSTRACT IF THE DESIGN CONSTRAINTS ARE SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE VOLUME UP AND DOWN BUT THEY BOTH SAY V. ON THEM WHICH WHEN YOU FIRST LOOK AT IT YOU EXPECT THAT TO BE THE DOWN BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A DOWNWARD POINTING ARROW BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THE V. TO INDICATE THAT IT'S THE VOLUME SO UH WE DO NEED TO AVOID LITTLE AMBIGUITIES LIKE THESE YEAH NICE GOOD POINT BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC VOLUME UP AND DOWN IF WE'RE HAVING THE SCROLL WHEEL THEN IT'S GONNA DOUBLE UP AS ALL THE OTHER UP AND DOWN FUNCTIONS MM 'KAY BUT THEN THAT'S COMPLICATED I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR PRESENTATIONS WE HAVE ABOUT TEN MINUTES LEFT IN WHICH TIME WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON THE REMOTE CONTROL CONCEPTS UM AND I THINK YOU ALL HAVE BEEN SELF STIMULATING OF WORKING TOGETHER UM WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME SPECIFICS OF THE COMPONENTS UM THE MATERIALS THINGS LIKE MAKING THE DECISION ON THE ENERGY UM AND THE CASE AND THE INTERFACE TYPE THINGS SO LET'S MM RIGHT THEY WANT US TO DECIDE WHAT FORM OF ENERGY ARE WE GOING TO USE WHICH THE CHOICES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WERE PRETTY MUCH BATTERY KINETIC OR SOLAR UM THIS IS WHERE KATE'S EXPERTISE COMES IN AND OUR DECISION MAKING WILL BE A LITTLE BIT GUIDED BY KATE AT THIS POINT THE YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE KINETIC WOULD BE USEFUL THAT IS YOU JUST HAVE TO MOVE IT SOME AND YOU'D BE ABLE TO USE IT UM AS OPPOSED TO A BATTERY THAT YOU HAVE TO EITHER PUT IT IN A RECHARGER OR UM KEEP REPLACING THE BATTERIES UM OR SOLAR THAT YOU'D HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH IT IF IT'S A DARK DAY THAT IT'LL DIE ON YOU AND NO WAY TO DO IT THAT'S THE DAY YOU WANNA USE THE T. V. UM SO WHAT'S OUR PLEASURE HERE WHAT WOULD BE THE COST CONSEQUENCES OF EACH OF THE THREE OH UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE COSTING INFORMATION I I IN TERMS OF WORKABILITY I I THINK THE THE TWO FRONT RUNNERS ARE THE STANDARD BATTERY OR THE KINETIC BUT I'M SORRY I DON'T FIGURES ON THE DIFFERENCE IN COST WHAT'S THE UH FEELINGS OF THE GROUP ON THE KINETIC UM THAT IT'S THERE SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE G A REALLY GOOD ECONOMICAL IT WOULD MAKE THE WHOLE THING A LOT LIGHTER MORE CONVENIENT HMM IT COULD TIE IN WITH THE FANCIFUL DESIGN AS UH YOU KNOW THROW THE BANANA YOU KNOW JUST GOTTA KEEP IT MOVING SO THE CONSENSUS SEEMS TO BE USE THE KINETIC IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE BUT IT DOES DEPEND HOW MUCH IT COSTS YEAH MM MM-HMM BUT I COULD MARKET THAT AS A UM AS A A I WAS THINKING ACTUALLY A A COST SAVER DOWN THE ROAD IN TERMS OF BATTERY YOU KNOW YEAH THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING AS WELL THANKS FOR THE REMINDER FOR FIVE MINUTES TO FINISH THANKS UM THE NEXT THING THAT THEY WANTED US TO DO WAS LOOK AT CHIP ON PRINT AS A DECISION OH RIGHT OKAY I'D THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I MAYBE SHOULD HAVE COVERED UM CHIP ON PRINT IS JUST A MANUFACTURING TECHNIQUE UM AND I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND IT I THINK BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE OKAY I I IT IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE THE THE UH TH THE WAY IT'S AC IT'S ACTUALLY BUILT AND YOU YOU PRINT ONTO THE CIRCUIT BOARD LIKE YOU MIGHT PRINT ONTO PAPER OH OKAY UM WHAT ABOUT THE CASE I THINK THEY'RE TALKING THERE ABOUT DO WE WANT WOOD PLASTIC TITANIUM OR RUBBER AND I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED NOT HAVING TITANIUM ONE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE UM AND SECOND IT WON'T DO THIS DOUBLE UM CURVES UM WE'VE SORT OF ELIMINATED WOOD WE SAID PLASTIC OR RUBBER WHAT'S THE PLEASURE WELL IF IF SARAH'S KEEN ON A SPONGY FEEL THE THE RUBBER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE SAME AS YOU HAVE IN THOSE LITTLE STRESS BALLS SO IT'S YEAH WHAT ABOUT YOU DO YOU NOT THINK IT MIGHT NEED LIKE A KIND OF A HARD PLASTIC INNER SHELL WITH THE ACTUAL DELICATE WORKINGS INSIDE AND THEN A KIND OF SPONGY KIND OF LIKE AN INTERNAL EGG COVER UH-HUH PLASTIC INSIDE YEAH BECAUSE I MEAN YOU COULD JUST GET CARRIED AWAY WITH THE WITH THE TAC YEAH WELL YOU DO GET A BIT CARRIED AWAY WITH THINGS THAT ARE TACTILE YOU JUST WANNA STROKE THEM AND SQUEEZE THEM AND YOU KNOW I SU I'M SORRY TO PUSH YOU BUT WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES TO FINISH WITH THEN I'LL JUST SAY I SUPPORT EITHER FROM A MARKETING POINT OF VIEW I SUPPORT EITHER DECISION THAT THE DESIGNERS MAKE ON THAT OKAY AND IT SAYS INTERFACE WHAT TYPE AND WHAT SUPPLEMENTS JUST COPY THE ONE ON THE LEFT NO UM A SCROLL WELL LIKE FOUR BUTTONS UP DOWN LEFT AND RIGHT WITH ENTER IN THE MIDDLE THAT WILL CORRESPOND TO A MENU ON THE SCREEN WHICH I THINK TECHNICALLY IS JUST PUSH BUTTON AND UH I'D CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT THAT THAT BRINGS THE COST DOWN QUITE A LOT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE AN EX THE COMPANY'S AN EXPERT ON SO PUSH BUTTONS OKAY UM THAT'S THAT UM THIS IS GONNA SOUND WEIRD BUT THE NEXT MEETING STARTS IN THIRTY MINUTES WHEW AND THEY ACTUALLY WANT A LOOK AND FEEL DESIGN USER INTERFACE DESIGN YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE THIS AS WELL AS I CAN MARKETING THEY WANT PRODUCT EVALUATION OH OH MY I'M SORRY