SO UM THE YOU KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT BUT YOU NEED TO WHAT WE NEED IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN KNOWING YOU KNOW THAT WE NEED EXCHANGE STRUCTURE MARKED UP ON X. AMOUNT OF DATA AT THIS POINT IS KNOWING UM WHERE YOU'RE HEADED WITH THIS I THINK SO WHAT'S THE GOOD THAT THAT UH THE PROJECT GETS OUT OF THIS IN THE END SO YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE W WHAT'S THE HEADLINE RESULTS OF THE WORK ON THE PROJECT I THINK IS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF HERE HMM YES AND SAY WE JUST PUT IN THE MONEY GET EXCHANGE STRUCTURE MARKED UP ON THAT ENTIRE HUB OR YOU KNOW FIGURE OUT HOW TO BOOT STRAP IT SO WE WE GET THIS UM UH HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU SELL THAT AS A AS A PROJECT GOAL YOU KNOW HMM WHAT DO WH WHAT DO YOU WHAT HOW DO YOU PLUG THAT INTO THE REST THE STUFF RIGHT YEAH OKAY SO MM THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE FINAL GOAL THAT UH THAT COULD BE FIT INTO THE UH BROWSER BUT IT UH MIGHT BE SOME KIND OF UH UH INFORMATION WHICH MIGHT BENEFIT MEETING ACTIONS OR SOME MORE HIGH LEVEL DECISION MAKING OR PROBLEM SOLVING 'CAUSE THIS IS THE BUILDING BLOCKS I GUESS YEAH SO SEE 'CAUSE I THINK THAT UM JUST TO MAKE THIS M MORE EFFICIENT YOU SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THE HIGH LEVEL GOAL IN ORDER TO FOCUS THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING RATHER THAN THINKING WELL YOU KNOW THERE'S THESE THEORIES YOU KNOW HOW CAN WE APPLY THESE THEORIES TO IT UM AND THEN SEEING WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR THE MEETING BROWSER ACTUALLY TRYING TO SAY YEAH WE HAVE A GOAL OF BEING ABLE TO DO THIS WITH THE MEETING BROWSER UM WHAT KINDS OF DIALOGUE STRUCTURE WOULD WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT I MEAN UH I DON'T KNOW MAYBE YOU'D WANNA DISAGREE WITH THAT BUT I THIS MORE GOAL DIRECTED MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE IT EASIER TO UM BRING THESE THINGS TO PUBLICATION IN THE LONG RUN RIGHT WELL I THINK WE SHOULD APPROACH IT BOTH WAYS I MEAN UH YOU KNOW I I D YOU KNOW THE MEETING BROWSER PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS AND SO WHAT THEY END UP WITH SAYING IS MOST CRITICAL FOR THEM RIGHT NOW MIGHT NOT BE THE MOST INTERESTING THING IN THE LONGER TERM AND SO BUT IT'S SOMETHING AT LEAST IDENTIFY SOMETHING THAT WE'D HOPE TO GET OUT OF IT YOU KNOW RIGHT I MEAN PEOPLE HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW A DECISION HAS EVOLVED RIGHT UM AND I THINK THAT WELL I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF THIS LOW LEVEL STUFF WOULD ALLOW YOU TO TRACK THAT KIND OF THING BUT IT MIGHT AT LEAST BE THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF ALLOWING YOU TO TRACK THAT KIND OF THING AND YEAH SOME HIGHER LEVEL YEAH YEAH YEAH SO I MEAN I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT SOMETHING AT THIS LEVEL NEEDS TO BE THERE I MEAN AND TO ASK QUESTIONS LIKE WHO DISAGREED OR WERE THERE ANY COUNTER PROPOSALS OR WHATEVER EVEN THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS YOU NEED SOME KIND OF MARK UP LIKE THIS SO YOU KNOW THAT IMMEDIATELY DISCOUNTS EXCHANGE UM STRUCTURES THAT ARE MOSTLY FOR INFORMATION SEEKING ALONE BECAUSE THE NOTION EXCHANGE IS TO RESTRICT IT THERE AND IN FAVOUR OF UM THESE THESE MORE ARGUMENTATIVE THINGS SO I MEAN UH I DO THINK YOU SHOULD KEEP IN MIND WHAT THE FINAL GOAL IS SO THAT YOU CAN PLUG THIS INTO SOMETHING AT THE END AND AND UM SHOW SOME BENEFIT OF HAVING THE MARK UP WELL THAT BRINGS UP SOMETHING INTERESTING BECAUSE I THINK PROBABLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS TRY TO GET YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE TASKS SORT OF PUT ON YOU KNOW SORT OF AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL AGENDA SO BEING ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS LIKE UM WERE THERE ANY COUNTER PROPOSALS TO THE BANA YOU KNOW BANANA SHAPE OR WHATEVER UM UH OR TO SOME SPECIFIC YOU KNOW RECOMMENDATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT I MEAN YOU KNOW THOSE YOU KNOW STRIKE ME AS CL CLEAR THINGS THAT YOU KNOW PEOPLE WHO GO TO DECISION MAKING MEETINGS WANT TO KNOW IF THEY'VE MISSED ONE OR ARE ARRIVING LATE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT SO IT WOU IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD PROBABLY GET SOME OF THESE THINGS ON THE OFFICIAL AGENDA AND SAY LOOK YOU KNOW WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF YOU COULD HAVE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS OR SOMETHING WE'VE GOT THE BANK OF PEOPLE WE HAVE TO GET THE HUB STUFF THROUGH BUT UM YOU KNOW HE'S N NOT READY WITH AN ANNOTATION SCHEME THAT CAN BE USED AT THE MOMENT ANYWAY SO AND IT IT'S NOT THAT EXPENSIVE I MEAN IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AFFORD OFF BUDGET 'CAUSE I THINK THE ICSI DATA IS TOO TOO COMPLEX AND THERE AREN'T ENOUGH REAL DECISIONS MADE YOU KNOW THAT YOU COULD CLEARLY IDENTIFY I MEAN THERE ARE SOME BUT AND NOT THAT I'VE READ MORE THAN ABOUT TWO MEETINGS BUT UM I THINK W IT YOU KNOW W WELL SO ONE THING THAT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING IS THE I THINK TO ME IS THE UM WHAT CAN YOU DO BECAUSE PRESUMABLY THE UM D. F. K. I. FOLK OR SOMEBODY IS GONNA MARK UP A LOT OF THE DATA WITH SORT OF TAGS ABOUT ONTOLOGY RIGHT MM-HMM OR MAYBE DEEPER SEMANTICY THINGS BUT THAT BUT YOU KNOW NOT REALLY IN A IN A FORMAL LANGUAGE BUT MOSTLY JUST YOU KNOW TAGS RIGHT UM AND THEN THE QUESTION IS WELL HOW DOES YOU KNOW JUST THE WAY PEOPLE TYPICALLY DO THIS IS YOU KNOW LET'S TAKE THESE SEMANTIC FEATURES INTO OR THESE FEATURES INTO ACCOUNT AND SEE HOW WELL WE DO WITH THE THE LEARNING AND THEN LET'S THROW THESE FEATURES OUT AND SEE HOW WELL WE DO UM BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM BECAUSE ONE OR TWO SIDES IS REALLY INTR ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS ONTOLOGY STUFF RIGHT I MEAN T. N. O. IS AND D. F. K. I. IS RIGHT SO THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF DOMAIN SEMANTICS AND THERE WILL ALSO BE PRESUMABLY SOME KIND OF TASK HIERARCHY MODELLING GOING ON IN I MEAN 'CAUSE THE WHOLE BROWSER WORKING GROUP UM FINAL UM SORT OF PRESENTATION ON THAT SECOND DAY WAS ABOUT YOU KNOW KNOWING THE TASK RIGHT AND VERY YOU KNOW DETAILS ABOUT WHICH TASK IS THIS YOU KNOW WHICH SUB TASK IS THIS LITTLE CHUNK OF THE MEETING ADDRESSING AND FURTHERING IN VARIOUS WAYS RIGHT WHICH SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD IN AN OPEN DOMAIN UM WELL I DON'T REMEMBER THAT ABOUT THE W I MEAN THE THEY'D SPENT THE MORNING TALKING AND THEY CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA UM IT W THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT SORT OF INFORMATION THEY'D WANT FROM THE MEETING ITSELF IT W IT WAS ABOUT UH I