BUT I THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT AND SO SO NATE BLAYLOCK TRIED TO OKAY SO YOU KNOW FROM GROSS AND KRAUSS AND GROSS AND SIDENER CAME ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT SHARED PLANS AND HOW YOU REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW DIALOGUE U UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND SHARED PLANS BUT THE ACTUAL THEORETICAL UM OR FORMALISATION OF IT WAS INCREDIBLY COMPLEX AND SO UM LOCKBAUM SIMPLIFIED IT QUITE AND YOU KNOW SIDENER AND RICH AND COLLAGEN HAVE SIMPLIFIED IT QUITE A BIT UM BUT NATE BLAYLOCK TRIED TO UM YOU KNOW DEFINE YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SOMEBODY SUGGESTS SOMETHING WELL YOU CAN ADOPT IT YOU CAN WELL I CAN'T REMEMBER YOU KNOW OKAY BUT HE HAS UH HE HAS A TAXONOMY YEAH RIGHT YEAH I KNOW NO NO IN SAA SAARBRUECKEN YEAH YEAH OKAY YEAH YEAH YEAH OKAY YEAH I KNOW HER DIFFERENT OKAY BUT UM IT YOU KNOW WE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME LOOKING AT IT AND IT DID STRIKE ME THAT FOR JOINT PROBLEM SOLVING THERE W THERE WERE SOME GOOD IDEAS AND THERE IS YOU KNOW A SET OF TAGS AND WHAT THEY MEAN AND YOU KNOW THAT SORT OF THING AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT YOU KNOW CL YOU KNOW CLARK ON JOINT ACTION NOW HE'S NOT GONNA GIVE YOU A SET OF TAGS 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF GUY HE IS BUT UM BUT THE OVERARCHING IDEA YOU KNOW I MEAN I THINK ACCOUNTS FOR A LOT OF THE WAYS IN WHICH UM YOU KNOW THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE THI ARE THINKING BUT I MEAN I THINK THAT WE WE BASICALLY HAVE TO MERGE SOME OF THIS STUFF THAT'S BEEN DONE YOU KNOW ON MEETINGS WITH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S BEEN DONE ON COLLABORATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING 'CAUSE THERE'S ELEMENTS OF EACH THAT SEEM REALLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK TH SO HOW MUCH OF A GENRE CLASH IS THERE HERE BECAUSE IT REALLY SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT AND SOME OF THIS STUFF ON EXCHANGE IS LIKE ANCIENT AND YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MARK UP LOTS OF DATA AND COUNT THINGS YOU KNOW SO I MEAN ALL THE CONVERSATIONAL ANALYSIS STUFF I MEAN THOSE GUYS NEVER COUNT ANYTHING YOU KNOW I MEAN THEY'RE UH PS SO THEY SEE A PATTERN AND THEN THEY THINK IT'S KINDA CUTE AND THEN THEY SCOUR THE WORLD FOR THIRD TURN REPAIRS YOU KNOW THEY DON'T ACTUALLY SAY HOW OFTEN DO THOSE HAPPEN I MEAN THEY WORKED I MEAN I KNOW MANNY SCHEGLOFF REALLY WELL AND THEY'RE NOT COUNTERS THEY'RE PURPOSELY NOT COUNTERS THEY DEFINE THEMSELVES AS NON COUNTERS AND ALSO WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE IS THE THEORETICAL CLARITY ABOUT WHAT AN INITIATION AND A RESPONSE IS SO WHAT IS IT THAT TIES UM DIFFERENT ACTS TOGETHER AT A HIGHER LEVEL YOU KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT FROM THAT AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT FROM COLLABORATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING AND IF YOU L IF YOU TAKE THE EXCHANGE STUFF IT'S NOT GONNA D QUITE DO EVERYTHING YOU WANT AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE COLLABORATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING STUFF MAYBE IT WON'T DO EVERY THAT YOU WANT AND SO BUT I THINK MORE IMPORTANT THAN LOOKING AT UM WHETHER PARTS OF THE MEETING ARE HIGHLY INTERACTIVE OR NOT SO INTERACTIVE IS UH LOOKING AT WHAT SORT OF TASK THE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO AT THE MOMENT SO YOU KNOW ARE THEY DOING UM UH I ARE ARE THEY UH I AS IN THE KICK OFF MEETING JUST EXCHANGING INFORMATION TO GET STARTED WITH A PROJECT OR ARE THEY UH ACTUALLY ADDRESSING SOME SPECIFIC DESIGN UM CRITERIA AT THE MOMENT SHOULD TRY TO DECIDE WHICH SHAPE THE THING IS UM BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE KINDS OF RELATIONS THAT YOU GET BETWEEN THE UTTERANCES AND SO THAT IS MUCH MORE LIKE UM THE UM THE LITERATURE FROM MCGRATH ABOUT THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ACTIVITIES GROUPS GET INTO SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT HAS TO BE PULLED INTO THIS BECAUSE UM YOU YOU DO REQUIRE DIFFERENT UH UH DIFFERENT KINDS OF RELATIONS OR YOU EXPECT DIFFERENT KINDS OF RELATIONS FROM SOME OVER ARCHING SET IN UM THOSE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ACTIVITIES UH SO MAIN ACTIONS I GUESS MIGHT BE SOME SOME HIGH LEVEL UH PROBLEM SOLVING OR DECISION MAKING UH UH CONCEPTS UH NOT LIKE THE EXCHANGE WHICH WHICH I I WOULD LIKE TO BE VERY LOW LEVEL UTTERANCE TO UTTERANCE RELATIONS UM SO WHAT'S THE HIGH LEVEL VERSION AGAIN P S UH I MEAN UH I MEAN THE M MAIN ACTIONS MIGHT BE SOME IT MIGHT BE YEAH BUILT BUILT IT'S NOT GOING TO PRESENT ANY S ANY MICRO STRUCTURE SO IT'S JUST GONNA SAY FROM HERE TO HERE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S ALL THAT THAT SCHEME IS GONNA DO OKAY W IT'S N THAT'S NOT NO THOSE WELL THAT'S INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS AND THE MEETING ACTIONS ARE MEANT TO B UH BECOME MORE UM SEMANTIC AND MORE THEORETICAL THAN THE KIND IDIAP HAVE TRADITIONALLY USED SO SO WE NEED TO STILL PRESERVE SOME UH SENSE OF THE ACTIVITY BUT RATHER THAN SAYING IT IS SOMEBODY'S AT THE WHITE BOARD IT'LL BE YOU KNOW THAT SOMEBODY'S EXPLAINING SOMETHING THAT THE OTHERS ARE FOCUSSED ON I REALISE THAT'S IMPORTANT YOU KNOW BUT I D WAS KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THOSE MEETING ACTIONS SO YEAH MM OKAY SO YEAH UH TH THE THE MAIN ACTIONS THAT UH YOU'RE TALK ABOUT I THINK MIGHT BE YEAH BUILT UP FROM THE EXCHANGE YEAH EX AT LEAST EXCHANGE MIGHT BE UH ONE KIND OF UH IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR THAT KIND OF IT'S JUST EXCHANGE STRUCTURE IN THIS AREA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND THEN THAT'S A SOLID BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE NEXT BIT OR SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW UM BUT W WELL TIME'S GETTING ON SO YOU KNOW WHAT PRACTICAL THINGS CAN WE DO TO HELP THIS WORK MOVE FORWARD SO Y SHOW WHAT ELSE NEXT YEAH SO YEAH FOR THE MONOLOGUE I'VE I HAVE NOT UH LOOKED INTO THE DETAILS ABOUT THE THIS KIND OF UH RELATIONS FOR THE MONOLOGUE PARTS JUST A LIST OF THESE UH RELATIONS AND UH SO UH NEXT I NEED TO UH REVIEW THE LITERATURE AND UH COME UP WITH S SCHEMES FOR THE REAL DATA ANNOTATION AND AFTER THAT UH WE W 'CAUSE THIS MM IS NOT IN THE HUB CORPUS SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET L ALL THE MEETINGS ANNOTATED WITH THAT KIND OF SO UH SO WE WE MIGHT JU FIRST TRY A FEW MEETINGS AND UH HAVE A RELIABILITY STUDY IF IT'S RELIABLE ENOUGH THEN WE MUST JUST UH JUST ANNOTATE A SMALL PART OF THE MEETINGS AND USING SOME LEARNING TECHNIQUES TO BOOT BOOT STRAP THE UH UH AUTOMATIC UH ANALYSER WELL M MARKING UP EXCHANGE STRUCTURE IF IF IT'S THERE AND IF UM IF YOU'VE GOT A WORKING SCHEME FOR IT IS RELATIVELY CHEAP IT'S A LOT CHEAPER THAN DOING DIALOGUE ACT CODING IN THE FIRST PLACE UM RIGHT WELL ONE PRESUMES IT IS OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA BE RA RADICALLY EXPENSIVE TO DO ANY KIND OF MARK UP