permanent lift. Um, at the moment you need a, an engineering study and we actually believe that we can actually get, um, all the data we need, um, out of this trial to, to be able to go and actually seek the, the permitting. Thanks, Bob. And if I could just sneak one more in just with Cowal, there was a small contribution from, um, the underground this quarter. I thought we were kind of gonna expect that a little bit, a little bit later. So is this, is this material a one off, or can we kind of expect, uh, underground to start contributing more and, and seeing that ramp up over the next few quarters? Bob. <inaudible>. We're on track for the, the timeframe that we've actually spoken about earlier, uh, Earl. There will be minor, uh, contributions coming through as we, uh, develop through, uh, different zones. Uh, but it won't be significant in the imme- immediate future. Uh, but we're on track to, to deliver first order, as we said. Uh, I'm just trying to remember exactly the timeframe. I can't remember. Sorry. I'd have to go and check it. Jake. No, I don't, I don't think there was any contribution or material contribution from the underground. It remains on, on track and on schedule. Yeah, no worries. Thanks. Thanks, Jake and Bob. Cheers. Thank you. Your next question comes from Daniel Morgan from Barrenjoey. Please go ahead. Uh, hi, Jake and team. Uh, just on Red Lake. Um, can you just run through on why FY22 guidance is still achievable, albeit at the low end of the ranch? Um, it does imply the next two quarters have got a very strong production run rate of over 50,000 ounces. I guess we're at the end of January, so you should have visibility on that data. But, um, it just seems a big lift. You know, what, what is underpinning that do you have, you know, high grade stokes available? Is it, you know, running this trial, um, of the, the plant, you know, does that give you more production? Just, you know, how is guidance achievable? Yeah, Dan, thanks. I mean, we've specifically said that group guidance is achievable. Um, we're not gonna make the, the asset guidance at, at Red Lake. Um, but you know, we, we are not feeling, um, that we wanna be granular enough to say, you know, how much we can produce, because all these, all these steps are in, in, on, in place and are showing improvements, um, but on a group basis. And I think that's what investors should look at. Uh, you know, we are confirming that we will make our guidance range. All right. I must, I might have misinterpreted the comment that it was a group comment. Apologies. Um, just on Red Lake, maybe take- taking a step back. Could you maybe break out, um, what are the critical elements that need to be in place for the, for the turnaround to occur? 'Cause obviously a lot of these are not in place at, at current, whether that's the equipment, whether that's the, um, you know, the access to the, the upper Campbell or, or, or the mill through reports. Can you just unpick, you know, when these pieces to the turnaround will be in place or expected to be in place and, and you know, when we can expect that? Sure. Bob you've just recovered from jet lag from your latest trip there. So over to you. Thanks, Jake and thanks Dan. um, uh, as we talked about earlier, the big one to start with was getting the development to open up new areas. Um, but post that we've actually been working on, uh, the slope turnaround cycle, um, a- and the, the time to initial, from initial development through to, uh, filling of <inaudible> so we can keep the sequence going for the next, um, uh, for the next scope, which comes along right, right beside the previous, uh, field stokes. So we've been working on, uh, long haul drill rates. We've been working on pace fill, um, placement. Uh, we've been working on reentry times as well as, um, uh, stooping and turnover of the actual stokes. So all those together is really, is what is enabling the lift last quarter o- of our <inaudible> by, I think it's about 15% from the, from the previous quarter. So that comes around because we can actually get into the stokes quicker a- a- and, and more regularly. Um, i, if we actually look at the additional, uh, mining fronts, what it enables us to do is actually spread the mining fleet out. So that interruption a- and, uh, the disruption, uh, from interacting activities, i- is limited even further. So that allows us to actually turn the actual cycles quicker because we actually don't have the same, uh, disruption factors. Um, a big one for coming quarters is <inaudible>. Uh, and last quarter, uh, the, the, um, the high spring trim or the, uh, the, uh, locomotive that takes the ore from <inaudible> across the <inaudible>, that improves significantly from the previous quarter. And, and that is one of the main things that allow us because <inaudible> has got, uh, a, a good turnover cycle o- of its types already. Did I sort of try to answer it? Oh, uh, when, when is access coming to the, to the upper Campbell, um, for instance? So- Bob. <inaudible>… Sorry. Go, go ahead. I, I was just gonna say the upper Campbell, um, so the CYD is actually accessing the upper Campbell and, and we are already down into, um, that area, uh, with the CYD. First ore was always said to be around about 12 months after. So, a- and that still is on, on track. Um, we will get minor amounts of, of development or earlier, uh, the same as at Cowal. I mean, as you, as you go through areas, you'll, you'll intercept some sort of minor, um, ore zones, um, but anything from the start will still be within that 12 months from first starting. Jake, do you wanna add anything to that? No. Other than that, you were walking around at, uh, last week and you, um, you felt positive about the, you know, the outlooks over there. I, I mean, I suppose the thing that I would add to all this commentary on Red Lake is that each time someone's been there and particularly Bob, uh, is made several trips, um, you know, there are no red flags with respect to our delivery of this. It's getting, uh, our operational efficiency, uh, bettered down. And, you know, I, I still believe this is, as I said in my commentary, uh, this is an amazing commercial opportunity where we've acquired assets that need transformation. Uh, it's gonna take some time. Uh, we've had a few hiccups in the last six months, but, you know, there are no red flags with respect to delivery and transforming this operation. Uh, I guess, Jake, on that comment about the, the ore tonnages or, or