all the user stuff and not not having to recompute a lot of the stuff because all from the user side So if you changed sites you you can you know save some work on that But you know in the case where it depends on both the user and the site then still having a hard time trying to see how um using the PRM will help Um so anyhow using those intermediate nodes then this this would be the class that represent the intermediate nodes And that would basically just another class in the model with you know references to the user and the site and the time And then after you group them together this no the dependencies would of the queries would be reduced to this And so you know easier to specify the CPT and all Um so I think about as far as gone on the PRM stuff Well Right No So y you didn't yet tell us what the output is The output So what decisions does this make OK So it only makes two decisions in this model And one is basically how desirable a site is meaning um how good it matches the needs of a user And the other is the mode of the visit whether th the EVA decision Um so instead of um doing a lot of you know computation about you know which one site it wants of the user wants to visit come well try to come up with like sort of a list of sites And for each site you know where h how how well it fits and basically a rating of how well it fits and what to do with it So Anything else I missed So that was pretty quick ac uh uh got a little on it that uh probably gives the the details to anybody who needs them Um so the You you didn't look at all yet to see if anybody has a implementation No not yet um So one so one of the questions you know about these is uh we aren't gonna build our own interpreter so if if we can't find one then we uh go off and do something else and wait until s one appears Uh so one of the things that gonna do over the next few weeks is see if we can track that down Uh the people at Stanford write papers as if they had one but um see So w Anyway So a a major open issue If there is an interpreter it looks like you know what got should run and we should be able to actually um try to solve you know the problems to actually take the data and do it Uh and see Uh I actually think it is cleaner and the ability to instantiate you know instance of people and sites and stuff um will help in the expression Whether the inference gets any faster or not I don't know Uh it wouldn't surprise me if it if it doesn't You know the same kind of information I think there are things that you can express this way which you can't express in a normal uh without going to some incredible hacking of sort of rebuilding it on the fly I mean the notion of instantiating your el elements from the ontology and stuff fits this very nicely and doesn't fit very well into the extended So that was one of the main reasons for doing it Um I don't know So uh people who have thought about the problem like Robert i it looked to me like if Eva were able to come up with a you know value for each of a number of uh sites plus its EVA thing that a travel planner should be able to take it from there And you know with some other information about how much time the person has and whatever and then plan a route um well first of all uh uh great looks mu much cleaner nnn nnn Certain certain beauty in it so um if beauty is truth then uh in good shape But the um as uh mentioned before we probably should look at t the details So if you have a then uh love to read it and uh because um i Can you go all the way back to the the very top Yeah Um uh these I can't really these see w thing w when these are instantiated they take on the same values that we had before or are they have they changed in a sense Well I think I basically leave them to similar things Some of the things might that might be different maybe like are that the hours for the site Hmm And eventually I meant that to mean whether open at this hour or not And status would be you know more or less like whether under construction and and or And stuff the uh other question I would have is that presumably from the way the Stanford people talk about it you can put the probabilities also on the relations If Which is the structural uncertainty Yeah Yeah I That I think was actually in the previous the Ubenth stuff I don't remember whether Mmm they carried that over to this or not uh structural uncertainty sort of in the definition or in the in definition of a PRM is that OK classes and relations and gonna have over the classes and their relations Alright More Uh uncertainty or or I I remember say them learning when you know you don't Yeah know the structure for sure but I don't remember reading how you specify Right that wh would to start be with exactly Yeah question Well Yeah Yeah So uh the the plan is is when Daphne gets back get in touch and supposedly um actually get s deep seriously connected to to their work and Yep Uh you know If a group meeting once a week probably go down and whatever So actually figure all this out OK OK Then I think the w long term perspective is is pretty clear We get rocking and rolling on this again once we get a package if when and how then this becomes foregrounded profiled focused again Designated Of course And um until then come up with a something way more complicated for you Right OK Because this was laughingly easy right Actually I had to take out a lot of the complicated stuff cuz I I made it really complicated in the beginning and Jerry was like this is just too much Yeah So um you could from this go on and say suppose a group of people traveling together and you wanted to plan something that somehow with some Pareto optimal uh good uh thing for definitely a job for artificial intelligence uh or Except not for not humans even can't something really humans either yeah so Right Right Well the that would that would be a uh you could sell it as a Yeah