o um entities and real world places you will find in Heidelberg And um So out of these f s these high level categories the subject can pick a couple such as if if there is a cop uh a category in emptying your roll of film the person can then decide OK I wanna do that at this place sort of make up their own itinerary a and and tasks and the person is not allowed to take sort of this h high level category list with them but uh the person is able to take notes on a map that we will give him and the map will be a sort of schematic representation with with symbols for the objects And so the person can maybe make a mental note that ah yeah I wanted to go shopping here and I wanted to maybe take a picture of that and maybe um eat here and then goes in and solves the task with the system IE Fey and um and gonna try out that Any questions so um y have those say somewhere what their intention was so you still have the the nice thing about having data where you know what the actual intention was Yeah But they will um nothing that says you know these are the things you want to do so say well these are the things I want to do and Right so have a little bit more natural interaction OK Hopefully So be given this map which means that they won't have to like ask the system for in for like high level information about where things are Yeah a schematic tourist map So be uh i still require the that information and It An doesn't have like streets on it that would allow not them not figure not out really the street network way OK Nuh So just saying like what part of town the Yeah are in or a whatever and um the map is more a means for them to have the buildings and their names and maybe some ma ma major streets and their names and we want to maybe ask them if you have get it sort of isolated street the the whatever River Street and they know that they have decided that yes where they want to do this kind of action um that they have it with them and they can actually read them or sort of have the label for the object because too hard to memorize all these st strange German names And then going to have another gonna have w another trial run IE the first with that new setup tomorrow at two and we have a real interesting subject which is Ron Kay for who those who know him the founder of ICI So around seven seventy years old or I something he was the founder OK And he also approached me and he offered to help um our project and he was more thinking about some high level thinking tasks and I said sure we need help you can come in as a subject and he said OK So gonna happen tomorrow Using this new new New new um set up plan OK Yeah Which hopefully sort of scrape together t But thanks to Fey we already have sort of a nice blueprint and I can work with that Questions Comments on that If not we can move on No No more questions So not sure I the totally what understand this but Hmm made not sure I totally Like understand everything so being talked about but Um I I are imagine you familiar just with catch with on based the on with like the the very you had rough about Heidelberg setup on of web data yeah OK at web site and experiment like um figure Uh tourist the this information where web OK site supposed to OK Talk to a machine and it Yeah down and then the human comes on Yeah The question is just sort of how do we get the tasks in their head OK that they have an intention of doing something OK and have a need to ask the system for something OK without giving them sort of a clear wording or phrasing of the task OK Because what will happen then is that people repeat repeat or as much as they can of that phrasing Um are OK worried about being able to identify Um The The goals that d you guys have been talking about are this these you know identifying which of three modes um their question uh concerns So like the Enter versus we we View sort of get a protocol of the prior interaction right where the instructor the person we are going to hire um and the subjects sit down together with these high level things and so th the q first question for the subject is so these are things you know we thought a tourist can do Is there anything that interests you And the person can say yeah sure sh this is something I would do I would go shopping Yeah and then we can sort of this s instructor can say well uh then you you may want to find out how to get over here because this is where the shopping district is So the interaction beforehand will give them hints about how specific or how whatever though the kinds of questions that are going to ask during the actual session No Just sort of OK what what what would you like to buy and then Yeah um OK there you wanna buy a whatever cuckoos clocks OK and the there is a store there So the task then for that person is t finding out how to get there right sort of left And we know that the intention is to enter because we know that the person wants to buy a cuckoos clock OK what I mean so like those tasks are all gonna be um unambiguous about which of the three modes Right OK So Well Hopefully t so the idea is to try to get the actual phrasing that they might use and try to interfere as little as possible with their choice of words Yes In a sense uh uh exactly the the the idea which is never possible in a in a s in a lab situation Well nuh u the one experiment th that that that read somewhere it was they u used pictures Yep So to to uh actually um uh specify the the tasks Uh but you know i We had i exactly that on our list of possible way things so we uh I even made a sort of a silly thing how that could work how you control you are here you you want to know how to get someplace and this is the place