I JUST THINK THAT UH POSSIBLY MM MM MM SO I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU BUT THIS IS OUR DESIGN SPEC FOR NOW 'FRAID TO SAY UM DOES THAT UM WOULD THAT INCLUDE UM ACCESS TO SAY INTERACTIVE FUNCTIONS ON DIGITAL OR CABLE I WOULD SAY SO YES BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE REMOTE BOXES AND THAT IS A SEPARATE UNIT UM I THINK THAT IT I WOULD SAY THAT THE DESIGN SPEC WE'VE BEEN WITH IS FOR THE TELEVISION ONLY FOR NOW AND UNTIL WE HEAR OTHERWISE WE SHOULD GO WITH JUST THAT OKAY OKAY MAYBE WE'LL HEAR DIFFERENTLY BUT FOR NOW MM OKAY JUST A THOUGHT UM MAYBE THEN OUR MARKET SHOULD BE T. V. MANUFACTURERS RATHER THAN THE PUBLIC TRY AND SELL IT T SELL IT TO THEM TO SUPPLY WITH UM B HOWEVER I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'LL BE GOING WITH THAT BUT IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THE AVENUE OF THE MARKETING EXPERT THAT MIGHT BE SALES WHO ARE NOT IN THIS MEETING MM-HMM NOT TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL THE THE MONEY WE WASTE ON REMOTES THAT NO ONE BUYS YOU KNOW LIKE IF WE MADE A PERF IF WE MADE A KS FOR EVERY REMOTE WE MADE SOMEONE BOUGHT IT THEN WE HAVE TO SELL A LOT OF REMOTE CONTROLS WE JUST IS THIS GONNA BE ENOUGH TO TO SELL WELL SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WAS UH THE ABILITY TO LOSE A REMOTE WHICH AS YOU SAID YOU'VE DONE IN FACT WE'VE PROBABLY ALL DONE UM I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GIMMICK OR NOT BUT HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER SEEN THOSE ODD LITTLE KEY RINGS WHERE IF YOU WHISTLE IT WILL BEEP AND YOU TELL YOU WHERE IT IS I HAD ONE OF THOSE AND MY BROTHER AND MY DAD COULD HAVE BEAT ME UP BECAUSE IT IT WENT OFF ALL THE TIME ACCIDENTALLY WELL THE OTHER OPTION OF COURSE IS THAT UM THE WELL I WAS GOING TO SAY CLAPPING UM UM DIGITAL TELEPHONES UH FOR EXAMPLE ONE UNIT HAS OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT BASE UNIT SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S A BUTTON BUT MAYBE IT'S A BUTTON THAT YOU ATTACH TO THE T. V. SOMETHING WHICH YOU WHEN YOU PRESS THAT IT WOULD BEEP TO GIVE ITS LOCATION AWAY ON THE REMOTE UNIT AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING COULD UM SEPARATE US A BIT AND THAT WAY BECAUSE WE'RE ATTACHING WHAT WOULD BE A SMALL BUTTON TO THE T. V. AGAIN SAY WHAT IT WOULD BE A SMALL TRANSMITTER UM WATCH BATTERY TYPE SCENARIO I WOULD SAY OR SOMETHING THAT IF IT WAS PROBLEMS ENOUGH YOU COULD ACTUALLY EVEN JUST UM I DON'T POWER THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO YEP YEAH IT'S UH PUTTING A LOT ON YOUR SHOULDERS THERE SO I MEAN THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT SEPARATES US A BIT FROM THE MARKET AS WELL SO TO GO ON FROM HERE UM WE HAVE TO DECIDE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE REMOTE BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS MEETING IT WOULD BE BEST TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING THIS IS THE DESIGN WE'RE GONNA TRY AND GET THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE OURSELVES LOOK UNIQUE DO WE GO FOR MAYBE A REMOTE CONTRO UH SORRY WE'RE GONNA GO FOR A REMOTE CONTROL OBVIOUSLY DO WE GO FOR A SMALL JOYSTICK THAT WOULD OPERATE SAY CHANGING CHANNELS UP AND DOWN AND THEN WHAT ANOTHER BUTTON THAT WOULD SAY THAT IT'S NOW BEING USED TO MANOEUVRE ROUND THE L. C. D. MM YEAH WE'RE JUST SAYING VOLUME SHOULD VOLUME BE IMPORTANT IN THE JOYSTICK DO YOU THINK WE COULD USE SAY THE LEFT AND RIGHT FOR CHANGING CHANNELS AND THE UP AND DOWN FOR VOLUME AND OKAY I MM-HMM THAT'S BY FAR THE BIGGEST ONE AND THEN TELETEXT IS STILL HERE THAT'S LIKE FOURTEEN AND VOLUME SELECTION VOLUME SELECTION OKAY YEP THE TELETEXT WE'RE GAMBLING WITH AND WE'RE GONNA SAY IT'S DEAD THE WAY OF THE DODO SO WE WELL SORRY WE COULD MAYBE EVEN GO AS FAR AS SAYING POWER BUTTON SMALL JOYSTICK L. C. D. AND THEN WHAT MAYBE IS IT ONE MORE BUTTON TO SAY THAT YOU'RE USING THE MENU SYSTEM AND WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF PUSHING DOWN ON THE JOYSTICK TO SAY OKAY SO WE'RE HAVING VERY VERY FEW BUTTONS INVOLVED BUT NAVIGATION AROUND A MENU FOR MOST THINGS ACTUALLY I WOULD SAY MAYBE TWO TWO FUNCTION BUTTONS THE Y WE'RE NOW USING THE MENUS BUTTON AND UM AND AN OG AND AN OKAY BUTTON I MEAN CERTAINLY SOMETHING I'VE FOUND WITH THE JOYSTICK ON MO THE JOYSTICKS ON MOBILE PHONES IS THAT A LOT OF THE TIME TH THE DEVICE MISTAKES YOU TRYING TO MOVE IT IN ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER FOR PUSHING DOWN FOR OKAY OKAY AND THAT'S REALLY IRRITATING UM UM SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT E EVEN WITH THE JOYSTICK YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT CAN JUST SIT COMFORTABLY IN THE PALM OF THE HAND AND HAVE THE JOYSTICK JUST CONTROLLED BY THE THUMB OKAY SO UM WE'RE ACTUALLY THAT SOUNDS LIKE A ROUGH IDEA DO WE INCORPORATE THE IDEA OF TRYING TO F LOCATE THE REMOTE CONTROL AGAIN VIA A BEEPING NOISE YEAH THINK SO DO YOU MIND LOOKING THE ABILITY TO LOCATE IT AGAIN SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A UM TRANSMITTER MAYBE ATTACHED TO THE T. V. JUST SO THAT IT SAYS FIND ME AND WHAT A BASICALLY A SMALL MICROPHONE UM ON THE ACTUAL UNIT CAN MAYBE HIDE IT IN THE BASE SORRY SPEAKER YEAH AND A LIGHT BULB NO TO FLASH NO UM E US WE MIGHT BE BETTER WITH THE SOUND POSSIBLY WE COULD MAYBE INCORPORATE TH E THE TRUE FACT CONSIDERING THE COST OF AN L. E. D. WE COULD JUST INCORPORATE IT ANYWAY THE L. E. D. S CAN BE SURPRISINGLY BRIGHT NOW YEAH MM-HMM BLUE ONES PARTICULARLY PLUS THAT'S A NICE WEE DESIGN TOUCH YEAH YOUR DESIGN UM THE USER INTERFACE IS STILL QUITE OPEN YOU COULD GO FOR QUITE AN INTERESTING DESIGN BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE A VERY FEW KEY AND YOU'VE GOT YOU KNOW A SMALL L. C. D. JOYSTICK E I THINK IT LEAVES YOU OPEN TO A A POTENTIAL WIDE RANGE OF SHAPES SOMETHING THAT CAN MAKE IT STAND OUT SLIGHTLY UM IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO WHAT WE'VE SUGGESTED SO FAR THE FEASIBILITY OF UM SMALL TRANSMITTER UM AND SUCH MAYBE IF AN L. C. D. SCREEN REQUIRES TOO MUCH POWER OR SUCH EBENEZER UM MARKETING EXPERT I GUESS THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT IN THE TS DEFINING THE THE SOFTWARE SIDE OF THE INTERFACE RIGHT YOU WANT THE STUFF WHERE OF A JOYSTICK TO CONTROL THE VERY BASIC FUNCTIONS AND THEN THE IDEA OF MANIPULATING IT LIKE YOU WOULD A MOBILE I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY THAT WILL BE WITHIN THE TIME FRAME BUT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD MAYBE LOOK INTO SURE SURE OKAY UM ANY LAST COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORWARD ANYTHING THAT THEY THINK HAS BEEN MISSED OUT