another problem which is um we certainly do want to branch out beyond uh uh recording meetings about Meeting Recorder And uh once we get out beyond our little group the motivation factor uh reduces enormously And if we start giving them a bunch of other things to do how you know we we did n you know another meeting here for another group and and uh they were fine with it But if said OK now all eight of you have to have to come up with uh Well the I summar to and none of them did t See So There I we asked They them to send me ideas for queries after the meeting and no one ever did I didn't follow up either So Yeah didn't track them down and say please do th do it now But uh no one spontaneously provided anything worried that if you did even if you did push them into it it it it might be Right uh Right opposed to what really want to know if you were gonna use this thing I just OK how else to generate the queries other than getting an expert to actually listen to the meeting and say important that might be a query Tsk Well there is this other thing which y which you were alluding to earlier which is um there are certain key words like you know action item and things like that which could be used in uh Although some Yeah finding the structure And and I also um was thinking with reference to the n uh the advantage there is that you get structure without the person having to do something artificial later And the fir third thing I wanted to say is the summaries afterwards um I think they should be recorded instead of written because I think that um it would take so long for people to write that I think you wouldn't get as good a summary How about this idea That normally at most meetings somebody is delegated to be a Yeah good Good point Yeah And So why don't we just use the notes that somebody takes I mean that gives you a summary but it doesn't really How do you generate queries from that Well But Yeah mean maybe a summary is one of the things want from the output of the system Right Right I mean something a Actually kind of output James And like so were talking about this during one of the breaks And the problem with that is definitely going to do something with information retrieval even if sort of Right not full what gonna do for my thesis gonna do something not gonna do anything with summarization And so if someone wants to do that fine but not gonna be me Well I think that Well we I mean the the f the core thing is that you know once we get some of these issues nailed down we need to do a bunch of recordings and send them off to IBM and get a bunch of transcriptions even Yep if slightly flawed or need some other And then have some data there And then Yeah i i we can start l looking and thinking what do we want to know about these things and at the very least I actually want to say something about the note pad So Hmm if you could sense just when people are writing and you tell them not to doodle or try not to be using that for other purposes and each person has a note pad They just get it when they come in the room Then you c you can just have a fff plot of wh you know writing when Activity all you Yeah And you can also have notes of the meeting But I bet that will allow you to go into the sort of the hot places where people are writing I things see down I mean you can tell when in a meeting when everybody stops to write something down that something was just said It may not be kept in the later summary but at that point in time is was something that was important And that wouldn't take any extra a nice idea Or It someone could just pu you could just put your hand on the pad and go like that if you want to a good idea but that doesn't Maybe missing something but that doesn't get to the question of how we come up with queries right Well it then does can go to the points where the you could actually go to those points in time and find out what they were talking about And you r Yeah Well And what y does is provide a different I I think an interesting thing I don't think it gets at the the queries but it does give us an information fusion sort of thing that you know you wanna i say Yeah what were the of the meeting That what I mean is that I think it gets at something interesting but if we were asking the question which I thought we were of of of um how do we figure out the nature of the queries that people are gonna want to ask of such a system knowing important doesn't tell you what people are going to be asking But I bet Does it a good superset of it Well see there Well yeah I think you could say gonna ask about uh when uh when did talk about blah And at least that gives you the word that they At might you run can a find query locations where there are maybe mean Maybe keywords would and tell you what the hit is not what the query is What Right Right right But tell you think hit so I not you think query thinking generate about a queries the is hits dangerous right now We don't even know what I mean if you want to find out what any user will use that might be true for one domain and one user but I mean a different domain and a different user Yeah but just looking for a place to start Um with that because you know th what what what James is gonna be doing is looking at the and looking at the query in in i We we have five hours of pilot data of the other stuff but we have zero hours of of of queries So just sort of going where where do I where do I start Well th you could do I think the summaries actually may help get OK us there for a couple reasons One if you have a summary if you have a bunch of summaries you can do a word frequency count and see what words come up in different types of meetings So action item is gonna come up whether