Yeah I don't think a big deal for this application but Yeah Right but Yeah a OK But then another thing that also involved with which is um OK and and also Da Dave Gelbart So this this problem of and w and so we had this meeting Th the also Adam before the the before you went away Uh we um regarding the representation of overlaps because at present um because of the limitations of th the interface using overlaps are uh not being encoded by the transcribers in as complete and uh detailed a way as it might be and as might be desired I think would be desired in the corpus ultimately So we don't have start and end points at each point where an overlap We just have the the overlaps encoded in a simple bin Well OK So the limits of the over of of the interface are such that we were at this meeting we were entertaining how we might either expand the the interface or find other tools which already do what would be useful Because what would ultimately be um ideal in my my view and I think I mean I had the sense that it was consensus is that um a musical score notation would be the best way to go Because you can have multiple channels a single very clear flexible and all those nice things OK So um um I spoke I had a meeting with Dave Gelbart on on and he had uh excellent ideas on how the interface could be modified to to do this kind of representation But um he in the meantime you were checking into the existence of already um existing interfaces which might already have these properties So do you wanna say something about that Yes Um I talked with uh Munich guys from from Ludwi Ludwig Maximilians University who do a lot of transcribing and transliterations And they basically said they have they have uh a tool they developed themselves and they can't give away uh f too and had not supported a a a Yeah and But um Susanne Bur Burger who is at se CMU he wa who was formally at in Munich and w and is now at with CMU she said she has something which she uses to do eight channels uh trans transliterations eight Excuse channels simultaneously but running under Windows Under Windows So not sure if if if we can use it She said she would give it to us It wouldn't be a problem And got some some kind of manual down in my office maybe we should get it and if Yeah good enough arrange Windows machines to be available We could uh So potentially so I also wanted to be sure I mean seen the this this is called Praat PRAAT which I guess Yep means spee speech in Yeah Dutch or something not sure But the right thing for us Yeah In terms of it being Windows versus But just wondering no is Praat No isn't No Praat Yeah Yeah Oh I see Yeah Oh I see So Praat may not be not Praat called trans different one transedit I I think see The Oh the I uh see tool from from Susanne OK OK The Alright other thing uh to keep in mind uh I mean been very concerned to get all this rolling so that we would actually have data Mmm yeah but um I think our outside sponsor is actually gonna kick in and ultimately that path will be smoothed out So I don't know if we have a need to do lots and lots of transcribing I think we had a very quick need to get something out and like to be able to do some later because just inter interesting But as far a you know uh with with any luck be able to wind down the larger project you s ahead with what we have Yeah with Right not very fine time scale on the overlaps Yeah And and do what we can later to clean that up if we need to Right And and I was just thinking that um if it were possible to bring that in like you know this week then when encoding the overlaps it would be nice for them to be able to specify when you know the start points and end points of overlaps Yeah uh Th making really quick progress great And um so my my goal was w m my charge was to get eleven hours by the end of the month And be clear that be able to do that great Yeah And did you uh forward Morgan thing I sent it to um who did I send that to I sent it to a list and I thought I sent it to the e Meeting local Recorder list Oh You did saw OK that So you probably did Brian did tell me that in fact what you said that uh that our that they are making progress and that going that going gonna check the f the output of the first transcription and I and mean basically all the difference in the world I mean basically on it now Yeah Oh So so new development so OK is so Super happen Super OK Yeah I mean Great basically just saying that one of our one of our best people is on it you know Yeah just doesn't happen to be here anymore Someone else pays him So Isn't So about the need for transcription I mean don't we didn't we previously decide that the IBM transcripts would have to be checked anyway Yes possibly true augmented So I think having a good tool is worth something S matter OK a good point Yeah and Good Dave Gelbart did volunteer and since not here repeat it to at least modify Transcriber which if we don't have something else that works Mmm I think a pretty good way of going And we discussed on some methods to do it My approach originally and already hacked on it a little bit it was too slow because I was trying to display all the waveforms But he pointed out that you don't really have to I think a good point Hmm That if you just display the mix waveform and then have a user interface for editing the different channels perfectly sufficient Yeah exactly And just keep those things separate And and um Dan hack already allows them to be able to display different waveforms to clarify overlaps and things so No already only display one but Oh can yes to but ones Well uh yes but what I mean is that uh from the perspective uh those two functions are separate And Dan hack handles the um choice the ability to choose different waveforms from moment to moment But only to listen to not to look at Yeah Um The waveform looking at Yeah doesn't change true Yeah but Yeah OK cuz you know focused on the Right anyway Hmm