a VLSI meeting or speech meeting or whatever So words that come up in different types of meetings may be something that you would want to query about Um the second thing you could possibly do with it is just run a little pilot experiment with somebody saying a summary of a meeting what questions might you want to ask about it to go back I think difficult because then not gonna ask the questions that are in the summary Well But I think it would give one possi one possible scenario though is you have the summary and you want to ask questions to get more detail th Yeah I think it has to be a participant Well it doesn't have to be OK So that that is another use of Meeting Recorder that we haven't really talked about which is for someone else as opposed to as a remembrance agent which is what had been my primary thought in the information retrieval part of it would be But uh I guess if you had a meeting participant they could use the summary to refresh themselves about the meeting and then make up queries But not I don't know how to do it if until you have a system The summary Yeah actually gonna Mmm drive the queries then I mean your that research Yeah was is saying be very circular But th there is this um There is this class of queries which are the things that you didn't realize were important at the time but some in retrospect you think oh hang on didn't we talk about that And something that didn't appear in the summary but you And kind of what this kind of uh complete data capture is kind of nicest for Right Right Cuz Right things that you wouldn't have bothered to make an effort to record but they get recorded So I mean And th no way of generating those u u until we just until they actually occur You know like could always label them Right right Exactly But I mean difficult to sort of say and if I was gonna ask four questions about this what would they be Those aren't the kind of things that come up But at least it would get us started Oh yeah Yeah also sure think that w if if you can use the summaries as an indication of the important points of the of the meeting then you might get something like y So if th if the obscure item you want to know more about was some form of data collection you know maybe the summary would say you know we discussed types of na data collection And you know And and maybe you could get to it by that If you if you had the the larger structure of the of the discourse then if you can categorize what it is that looking for with reference to those l those larger headings then you can find it even if you don't have Mmm direct route to that I Although think it that seems like um a high burden on the a pretty fine grain that the will have to take Maybe Landay can put a student in to be a I th No I No think you got to have somebody who knows the pro knows the topic or you know whose job it is delegated to be the Somebody part No of I the mean meeting but someone who can come sit in on the meetings But and they then takes the notes with them that the real And that way that one student has you know a rough idea of what was going on and they can use it for their research I mean this isn't really necessarily what you would do in a real system because that a lot of trouble and maybe not the best way to do it But if he has some students that want to study that then they should sort of get to know the people and attend those meetings and get the Right notes from the or something Hmm think a little bit of a problem Their sort of application stuff been doing for the last couple of years and I don't think anyone is still working on it I think Yeah done Um so not sure that they have anyone currently working on notes So what have to interest someone in is the combination of note and speech And so the question is is there such a person And I think right now the answer is no b Well thinking been thinking about it a little bit here about the uh th this e um I think that the now thinking that the summary a summary uh is actually a reasonable uh bootstrap into this into what like to get at not ideal but we you know we we have to get started someplace So I was I was just thinking about um suppose we wanted to get w We have this collection of meeting We have five hours of stuff Uh we get that transcribed So now we have five hours of meetings and uh you ask me uh uh Morgan what d you know what kind of questions do you want to ask Uh I wouldn't have any idea what kind of questions I want to ask have to get started someplace So in fact if I looked at summary of it go oh yeah I was in that meeting I remember that um what was the part that And and th I think that might then help me to think of things even things that aren't listed in the summary but just as a as a as a refresh of what the general thing was going on in the meeting I think it serves two purpo purposes One as sort of a refresh to help bootstrap Yeah queries but also I mean maybe we do want to generate summaries And true then Hmm absolutely kind Then key it So how Uh does the summary get generated not Well against i hand idea i a summary but I wanted to think carefully about d o generating it and how because the summary will drive the queries So I I think you know in most meetings this one being different but in most meetings that I attend somebody t explicitly taking notes frequently on a laptop Um you can just make it be on a laptop so then yo dealing with ASCII and not somebody you don't have to go through handwriting recognition Um and then they it into uh a summary and they email it out for minutes I mean that happens in most meetings I I I think that um using summary in two different ways So what you just described I would describe as minutes Yeah Right what Yeah originally thought OK was um if you asked someone what was the meeting about And Hmm