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Okay, let me now be completely clear on how I interpreted your original statement:

Let "an institution" be "a place where one may work on projects safe in the knowledge that one's base needs for food and shelter will be met."

I(x) := x is an institution

S(x) := x seeks to join an institution

A(x,y) := x will accept y

P(x) := x has completed a project

1. ∀xy( (S(x) ∧ I(y) ∧ A(y,x)) → P(x) )

2. ∀xy∃z( (S(x) ∧ I(y) ∧ P(x)) → (I(z) ∧ y≠z ∧ A(z,x))) )

∴ ∀xy∃z( (S(x) ∧ I(y) ∧ A(y,x)) → (I(z) ∧ y≠z ∧ A(z,x))) )

Or more prosaically, "every institution that will accept a person (and thereby let them create a project) requires that there exists a project they have already completed (and thereby another institution willing to accept that person.)" Obviously there's a problem with that statement :)

That being said, I agree completely with your first paragraph. I was being half-satirical—not intending to find a flaw in your argument, so much as desiring to provoke you into strengthening your point by clarifying it (and trying to go one step beyond the common-sense assumption of "our current society" to see where this philosophy would take you.)

Do you think the world would be better if programmers could not transition into the workforce until they had created something that no one had asked them to create? The idea behind a company hiring you is that they need what you have, and so they pay you for it. If you're creating something and no one's paying you for it, then, presumably, either you aren't marketing it well enough, or it's something nobody needs (or you've made it as an act of goodwill, but the likelihood of Joe the Programmer writing FOSS as anything other than a prerequisite to a job—which, therefore, means that he really would rather have been paid, but just couldn't find a taker, again implying that he was underemployed—is slim to nil.)
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And the next time someone logs in as you, and clicks "keep me logged in" - and you have no way to un-log them in, you should also cry inside.

If the password is changed, all session identifiers must be invalidated. If it's a session table, delete all entries, if it's a hash - well your hash had better include the password somehow (a hash of the password hash, i.e. the one stored in the db, is fine, as long as changing the password changes the final hash).
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Don't forget the implied Dances With Wolves style, "some humans see the error of their ways and go native." :P

But you're right, it doesn't need to be overly complex or totally original to be good. There's always room for a well told story, some of the best stories of modern times are retellings of archetypal themes.

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of most of Cameron's work, the Terminator mythology (I even still have the old Terminator comics published by Dark Horse) and Aliens (also have the Dark Horse comics) probably more so than anything else. But at the very least, there better be some originality to the writing, even if still within the overall framework of his easily summarised story.
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Your post reads like an attack on a person rather than anything else. I've read tons of posts by David Mark and I've found little wrong with them technically so describe his position as extreme does not mean he is automatically wrong on everything.

Why pull things out of context and not provide a reference to the original?

You complain about the tone of his posts (someone called it snarky) and then go on to post your own snarky comments, why?
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I think this is trickier than just saying "do this, you obviously have time", but not for the reasons that derefr gave. I think you are assuming things that may not be true of all people, and then using that to draw very broad strokes which may have a steep rate of false predictions.

Forty hours a week is an theoretical standard; it says little about the actual hours put in by programmers. Urban lore suggests the accurate number is higher, sometimes much higher.

The free time a programmer isn't guaranteed to be available in large chunks for hacking. There are a number of things that can take up that time; some of them are bogus, but some are quite reasonable. Enough of that time gets chewed up, the programmer really doesn't have the kind of time they need to focus on deep, substantial projects. Some do find the time, but there are more factors involved than simply motivation.

As for primary and secondary school years, this too depends on a number of factors, not all of them matters of personal motivation and ability.

Assessment is hard enough when you don't have preconceived notions of the molds other people fit into; if you start assessing people already cherry-picking assumptions about them based on what societal fashion suggests is "normal," then your ability to fairly assess them is already screwed. You're not trying to fairly assess them for them; you're doing it for you, because doing it fairly is your best shot at not screwing up.
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First of all, props to Jeff for this blog post. He put himself in an embarrassing situation, but handled it gracefully, without excuses. Well done.

That said, I don't think the post is defensive at all. It's not that Jeff made "one stupid mistake" and everybody is jumping on him-- it's that Jeff has been dispensing advice about best practices, including backups, and failed (spectacularly) on a very basic point.
"It asserts, roughly, that if indeed we humans have free will, then elementary particles already have their own small share of this valuable commodity."

He goes on to show the reverse of this. This line is a teaser, not a conclusion.

It doesn't really make sense than human free will should affect elementary particles, but the reverse does make (some) sense.

The experimental setup of having a human choose something is to correlate the two, not to mean that a human choosing the setup give the particles free will. (Unless I totally misunderstood this article, which is certainly possible.)
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I wouldn't call this exaggerated. Biking to work in anything below 0°C isn't what I'd call safe or comfortable. The winter tires available for bikes are ok, but cycling outside in a huge winter suit is everything but.

This wouldn't work in Norway. Only 35% of the population live in the larger cities, I know lots of people who have a 60km (~35 miles) commute. Hell, I even know people who get on a plane daily to go to work.

Denmark is also damn flat, at least compared to Norway, which is more "mountainy", like Switzerland.
Nope, my retort is that people do not care.

On HN, we (usually) seek out the best information and data by using rationality and logic and having a high standard for what constitutes intellectual discussion. We hold subject matter experts in high regard and we seek to sidestep fallacies and gratuitous displays of emotion.

Most people are not this way.

Witness the rise of 24/7 cable news that blathers endlessly about whatever is the big story of the minute, or conservative talk radio, designed to whip people into an emotional frenzy. Or Twitter! I'm pretty sure that if Mish was restricted to 140 characters, he'd be a lot less insightful.

The medium is changing, but human nature hasn't changed. And the result of making everyone a content producer is that there are many orders of magnitude of content out there, which means you have to get attention by being intensely targeted (HN), or by pure volume (Demand Media). My point is that human nature seems to be driving more people to the latter.
There won't be lawsuits.

The same thing happened with margarine vs saturated fat (butter). Margarine (trans fat) was billed as healthier since it had no saturated far. Ha - that was quite wrong, and probably killed thousands to millions.

No lawsuits from that.

To have a lawsuit you must also show they knew it was bad, but did it anyway, AND concealed it.
Is the lag time between the movement of the device and the movement of the controlled 'object' just due to the HDMI out? If not it seems mostly like a recipe for frustrating to play a racing game where your controller has such a lag-time.
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> I'm pondering ways to test this idea from the data, but I must say that it sounds pretty implausible to me.

It sounds exactly right to me, if you consider that some 21,000 of those Perl projects are CPAN distributions. There's a very strong bias among CPAN contributors to building small, reusable tools. I am the primary developer of some 30 of those Perl 5 projects. My commit rate has followed the graph of several commits in the initial stages, then very few after a year or eighteen months because the projects entered bugfix-only maintenance mode.

> Perhaps a sign of a wee bit of defensiveness in the Perl community at the moment?

You made some flippant provocative statements apparently based on poor assumptions unsupported by any of the evidence you presented. What did you expect?
To me that is like saying "You can put money on your bank account but you should make sure you get it back". Of course you have to test your backups.
Ruby & Perl are currently at 21% & 18% respectively on Github, so it bears no resemblance to your figs.

I understand what you trying to do by eliminating projects with less than 4 watchers but this is arbitrary figure and the results you produced are therefore affected by this decision.

When you play with population samples then side effects can creep in. You can see this in the difference in Ruby being 35.3% in your figs and it being 21% on Github. Its a big difference and can possibly be explained by things like: http://www.ruby-toolbox.com/
I know a lot of good programmers who started in university. Not everyone discovers their passion when they're young, or has the opportunity to pursue that passion (in the third world, starting young may mean starting in university). Some of the skills that help you "code smarter" are not necessarily learned in front of a keyboard (math, English, etc.).
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Why did you wait until Uni to learn to program?

Is that the point when you finally realised you had the freedom to do what you wanted in life? - If so, perhaps you are alright.

Is that when someone told you that you needed a job, and programming looked well paid? - Perhaps not so good.
> That's because human languages are geared towards interactive communication not towards describing problems and solutions precisely. That's why computer languages resemble rather precise math language.

Reminds me about a nice summary of Lisp, which describes working with Lisp:

"Interactive means that programming is a dialog with Lisp. You enter an expression and Lisp computes the side effects (for example output) and the value.

So your programming session is like 'talking' with the Lisp system. You work with it until you get the right answers."

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1105522/how-do-i-get-lisp...
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Sydney vs Tallinn.

I dislike;

1) Very high cost of living.

2) Very high tax rate.

3) Poor quality of internet access.

4) Lack of R18+ rating for games.

5) Conroy's clean feed nonsense.

6) Quality of technological innovation in Australia in general.

7) General contempt for civil rights displayed by political parties in Australia.

8) Apathy disguised as being laid back.

9) Hot weather.

10) Sun.

I like;

1) Low cost of living.

2) Very low marginal tax rate.

3) High quality of internet access, almost ubiquitous wifi access.

4) One of the highest populations of atheist people in Europe.

5) Largest political party majority ideology is classical liberalism.

6) One of the most advanced technological infrastructure programs in Europe.

7) Straightforward no bullshit populace.

8) Very cold weather.

9) Very little sun.

All of that said, you can never really know until you've actually tried it a while, so start February I'm moving to Tallinn for a three month trial, in the event that it wasn't for me was planning on coming back to Sydney but in light of these new developments and a continuing frustration / annoyance with associated events, I think if Tallinn doesn't work out I'll just pick some place else, I have a pretty big laundry list to go through. :)
I found the way the folate side of the equation was dropped midway through the article undermined the story a bit.

Did the grain-eating D-deficient Baltic-dwellers have to do something else to restore the folate being lost by their lighter pigmentation?
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Maybe this was the way the accelerometer is handled. Maybe it is just the game play (this kind of hovercraft may be supposed to react with a delay). The only way of knowing may be to try it yourself, just after Mario Kart on Wii.
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What surprises me is that NONE of my charming Perl correspondents have argued that the Github data is simply atypical. As I point out in my post, it's not just possible, it's likely that this is the case. Instead, every single one has claimed with the type of absolute certainty you can only achieve by having no data at all that it's due to CPAN, and some magical tendency towards completeness that it imparts to projects... Again, I think it's implausible, but I'm open to suggestions of ways to settle the matter with actual data.
Honestly, it would serve more to guide my questions than it would to just flat dismiss someone as untalented or apathetic.

Curiosity and genuine interest develop at different times for different people depending on the circumstances of their life. They might have not discovered programming until later in their life, or they may have been soured by an bad experience early on and only came back later on.

For some people, they don't discover programming until university, but then find the absolutely love it and quickly develop a considerable talent. For these people, who do exist, the pre-university test is a false negative.

A lot of these tests people come up with are based on the concept that past performance indicates future potential. The thing about these tests is that they suck really bad, except that for certain things there are no other tests.

A meteorologist I once heard talking about weather phenomena in Alaska joked in his talk about how there are two possibilites for available weather data there: data sparse, or data void. It is much the same in finding good programmers. There are a lot of important considerations, and getting a feel on each depends on sparse data at best.
The best advice I can offer is don't take things like this too personally. Following advice from pg almost certainly applies to applying and interviewing for jobs as well.

Don't be put off if they say no. Rejection is almost always less personal than the rejectee imagines. Just move on to the next. (This applies to dating too.) - Paul Graham, Undergraduation.

Just take it as a sign that they probably would be judging you even after you are hired in ways that you might find unreasonable. Not every hacker is meant for every programming job.
RETARDED. Yeah, go ahead bury my comment. Make it disappear. Like the 20 other times it has been done. I can always get a new IP to express my opinion. And this kind of BS is politically correctly RETARDED
"nor do I think they're terribly controversial as broad generalizations."

I do think they are controversial, as the statistics are usually very shallow. Apart from the "dumb" statistics (basically "on average, men earn more than women"), there are also lots of papers on how certain laws that are supposed to be helping women actually have the opposite effect, and other causes for the difference.

The "uncontroversial" bit is exactly what is standing in the way of finding a solution.

Anecdotes are OK, but don't generalize from them, please.
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By the way. Just download http://github.com/jacobian/django-shorturls, Install it on your server and you can completely ignore this retarded way to monetize a retarded service.
Yea, but the PB library doesn't actually handle sending requests over the network, etc... It literally just encodes data. If you like protocol buffers, check out Thrift. Thrift was designed based off of protocol buffers, but handles everything from end to end. http://incubator.apache.org/thrift/
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Wov, that was fast! This seems like a positive thing for Plurk, let's see how it plays out in the end.
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The naïve ray-tracing algorithm that you can sketch on a napkin and write in 20 lines of Haskell? Practical ray tracers - those used for real-world applications such as rendering movies - have much in common with game engines. Both are large and complex systems of many, many modules and employ an array of cutting-edge algorithms (some modern game engines incorporate ray tracers, and today's renderers employ much more than ray tracing). Both are designed with a focus on performance and robustness, while incorporating the large toolbox of features demanded by content creators. They are machines that have gone through many, many revisions of architecture, and have decades of performance tuning and wisdom embedded in them. And they are beautiful in the sense that they have tamed a real problem and exposed its solution in a simple manner, in spite of the complexity they must encompass.
heh. I am on the other end of that curve; I buy a year old $1500 lenovo ThinkPad X series and I get the keyboard feel I love in a 'just right' sized laptop with reasonably good Linux drivers for $450. Sure, the resale value will be zero, but let's be honest; after 3 years in my messenger bag, anything but a high-end toshiba toughbook is going to be unusable.
That's why you have an accountant. Like wheels says, there are tax benefits, and if you're not taking advantage of them, you are likely wasting your company's money. Or, thinking of it another way, with the non-profit tax stuff, you could give more money to Clojure or whatever else.
OTOH, certain existing foundations are not good for the 'benevolent dictator' model, and aren't really set up to funnel money directly from donors to individuals doing work on the projects.
If liberty is that important, don't you think there are more important arenas to fight in than funding of public goods? For example, Guantanamo bay and the so called "Patriot" Act?
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I don't know much about what it's like to hire an independent contractor (i.e. how much oversight and control is typically practiced), but is it really possible that Microsoft wouldn't have noticed how blatant the ripoff was before pushing the site live?

To me, the "independent contractor" excuse is pretty lame, and seems pretty common (the fusiongarage guy's ripped-off article uses the same excuse, just off the top of my head). If you hired them to do a job under your name, then it's your responsibility to make sure that job meets your standards before publishing it under your brand.
Would he continue to be effective and minimally bureaucratic if he worked for the government? Who would ensure that he wasn't just giving money to his friends? Who would ensure that a pg type person got hired instead of someone without a clue but with good 'connections'?

I use Ubuntu, which is composed of thousands of individual projects. Who would decide which ones get how much money? How about the ones developed by 'foreigners' (defined as !citizens of the country paying for development)? Could 'foreigners' just free-ride on whatever government paying for all this open source development? How about new, upcoming and potentially competitive projects? At what point should they get funded, or should the government attempt to pick a winner?

I'm no libertarian, but the problems are not at all insignificant, and while I agree that software is close to being a public good (some exclusion is possible), I am by no means convinced that it ought to be supplied by the government.
Open source economics rears its ugly head once again. It's a fascinating and difficult problem.
If i remember, they used to have shells in their evolutionary history (like the nautilus).
I'm sure I've had this conversation in real life :-) My one experience with SOAP was trying to get a perl client library working with a Java server -- they weren't compatible with each other. In the end I used ethereal with a Java client and dumped the request which I could then replay through perl. In fact, I would go as far to say SOAP is the least fun protocol that I've ever used (including an undocumented one).
Yes, but just because everyone at the company didn't decide to do this in unison, doesn't mean that the "company" isn't 100% completely responsible for it.

If the "VP level" at MS doesn't have enough control to prevent an entire department in China from ripping off a popular site and going live with it... then damn. I see no difference between that and Ballmer himself copying and pasting the code.
While that's kind of you, the problem with funding open source this way is that it's a "squeaky wheel gets the grease" system in some ways. Did you shell out 100$ for all the other open source code you use?

I say this as a huge open source fan, but one of the things about paying for proprietary software that works is that it helps to solve this problem: it connects the author/s of the software directly with the money they feel is appropriate for their product. If the price is right, they earn money and (hopefully) reinvest some in the product. If the price is wrong or the product crappy, it goes away.
A good example is MSN vs. AIM in Canada. vs. the USA. I lived very close to the border for a while, and it's pretty amazing how you can drive 20 minutes in either direction, and the market share for the two services would practically trade places.
Agreed, France has an excellent nuclear power program.
To be more specific, the protocol buffer library provides an interface for transport, but not the transport layer itself.
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