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I'm a New Zealander.

The source of the "facts" in this blog post is none other than Ian Wishart, who is regarded by many in New Zealand as a crackpot. He is anti-gay, anti-science, anti-evolution, and very right wing. If you cross Murray from "Flight of the Chonchords" with Glenn Beck, you'll have a pretty good idea of who the guy is. Here's a review of one of his more recent books:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/books/news/article.cfm?c_id=134...

Ian Wishart will not be very well known outside New Zealand, so I just wanted to point out that he has a massive agenda, as well as a reputation for relentlessly cherry-picking facts to support his points of view. Very few in NZ take him seriously. I strongly encourage all of you to treat his writings (which were mostly just reprinted in the link posted by cwan) with an extreme level of skepticism.

Finally, the New Zealand scientist mentioned in the post, Jim Salinger, does have an excellent reputation in New Zealand and around the world. He was part of the IPCC group, for example. It is a real shame, but I have a feeling his name is about to be dragged through the mud by these crackpots. I was very, very surprised to see his name associated with science as bad as that mentioned in the original blog post, until I saw that Ian Wishart was the source of the information.
> At some point it gets harder to find stuff that you can include on pages about historical events, objects and people.

That, and the standards have risen. It used to be that there were plenty of unwritten articles, so throwing together articles from common knowledge and anecdote was "good enough". Nowadays, there's a lot more focus on high-quality referenced work -- and, while that's a lot more useful in the long run, it's also a lot harder to write. And the majority new users simply aren't up to the task. High-quality writing is hard, and crowdsourcing doesn't make it any easier.
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One thing we can't deny: "case META" should come before "case NOFRAMES". :-)
No, we simply have "skeptics" that've decried climatologists as anti-industrial communists that ought to be tarred and feathered if not outright lynched for their views.

Comparing crazies doesn't make for great discourse.
Yes, this amateurish analysis detracts from what ought to be the real outrage from the CRU leak: the lack of transparency, denying FOI requests, and lying to the public about it. That, and the apparent irreproducibility of some IPCC analyses due to shoddy coding practices. Stuff like this is genuinely shocking:
http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/willis-eschenbachs-...
http://www.devilskitchen.me.uk/2009/11/data-horribilis-harry...

Crackpot analysis is not really as interesting, and frankly just reduces the credibility of those rightly calling for transparency after the incident.
Thank you very much for the report.

That is related to the embed code I am using.

Will try and fix it.
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My point is they are shifting the data arbitrarily. The Thordon data points are lower than both the Kelburn and Airport data points for the following reason: "Thorndon (closed 31 Dec 1927) has no overlap with Kelburn (opened 1 Jan 1928). For the purpose of illustration, we have applied the same offset to Thorndon as was calculated for the Airport." - i.e. they shifted it down as much as the Airport even though the Airport has a higher average temperature
I'm a New Zealander

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ian Wishart is nowhere in the post or the source of "facts". Why write a diatribe about him?

The source is this organization - http://www.climatescience.org.nz/images/PDFs/global_warming_...
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Just FYI: IKEA has been in Malmö since probably the 70s but they recently moved to a larger store (the second largest IKEA store in the world I think) closer to Copenhagen.
I agree. The skeptics will claim (with some merit) that the climate journals (and even Science and Nature) are a little biased against denial articles. But that's no excuse to just publish in blogs though.

Even if they can't find a climate journal to publish in, there would be other journals (physics journals, economics journals, applied mathematics journals) that would take a good skeptical article.

They could even pull a Sokal, and use fake data and dodgy analysis to write an article aimed at discrediting the climate community.

I haven't seen either of those happening, so I'm guessing that their position is still pretty weak.
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No, no, no! The last thing I want is something more Xanadu-like, where everything costs, it's all centrally controlled and all documents are transcluded from each other. The web is, IMHO, a vastly superior idea _because_ of its simplicity and openness.
Would have been awkward if I were in his position and asked "Uh, hmm, would I, uh, know your name?", and he would respond "Yes."

Being the brutally frank person I am, I would have then said "What do you do?" after reading his card.
The post on wattsupwiththat.com is essentially just a rehash of one of Ian Wishart's blog posts. The relevant post is here:

http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/11/br...

This was linked at the top of the blog post linked to by cwan.

EDIT: I should add that while you're right about the source of the graphs and numbers, the scare-quoted "facts" in my first paragraph referred to way in which the post simply reprinted Ian Wishart's assertions as fact.

The individual graphs obviously come from official sources, but they are arranged in a very duplicitous way. I'm not sure how you can build a case from just two graphs and a few emails when there is an absolute torrent of data available. I assume it would be quite easy for me to find two more graphs that "prove" that the world will be covered in water in only five years and that we're all doomed.
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I understood the point of the article... but damn, it made me respect the OLPC less, and confirmed my suspicions about NN. You see a village without power and your first thought is to make a laptop --- yikes, maybe you can include some cake with that.
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Wow, that's a relief.

I read the headline as meaning "Masters in Library
Science", and was expecting an anti-librarian screed.
To avoid future language mistakes I'll be writing in dutch from now on :)

So what I meant to say was:

There are only two possibilities:

- we have an effect on the environment

- we do not have an effect on the environment

Since it is trivially simple to prove that we have are having an effect on the environment the remaining task is to measure how our effect on our environment translates into an effect on the climate and what direction and magnitude that effect is.

I hope that is more clear to you, sorry for causing you distress :)
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Those dudes know if what you're saying is truthful and valuable, the general public (including me) does not.

Not necessarily. They are incentivized by fame and grant money to produce studies with a wow factor. Climatologists skeptical of global warming are outcasts among their peers - the leaked CRU emails illustrate this, as well as, intimidation to scholarly journals that publish skeptical papers.

I am not a climatologist, but I've done some complicated math simulations in college and there is no way you can future predictions look like these - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Warming_Predictions... - how the fuck do you have squiggly lines, not a range, after 20 years from now - fails the common sense test.

Plus, can any non PhD even get access to a scientific journal? Can you or me even access most of them without a paid subscription?
So I can buy naturally induced testosterone for only $150,000/yr? Sweet!

To be fair, you could probably do it for much less with only a moderately obscenely expensive car like something in the $75k range. Factor in resale, you're looking at driving a freaking sweet car (and getting really amped about it) for only $25,000-40,000/yr! Sweet!

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SwellJoe, I'm with you in that the "debunkers" seem quite dogmatic. Then there are people who have had personal success with polyphasic sleep and rave about it, typically doing it for a period of months but not on a permanent basis. Science doesn't have a lot to say, and everyone else is left wondering what to think.

References I found enlightening about the actual practice of it (in favor of it) are the book Ubersleep:

http://www.lulu.com/content/2649551

and Hacker News threads like this one:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=673726

I've read enough anecdotal evidence to be convinced that when it polyphasic sleep works, it works -- that after a potentially rough (and potentially impossible, depending on the person) period of adaptation, the practitioner is not significantly impaired in day-to-day functioning. Skeptics' arguments usually boil down to "it's unnatural", "you can't get something for nothing", or "it didn't work for me".

In terms of needing to set an alarm, I don't know if the body can learn a polyphasic schedule or not; even if it can, the reasons busy monophasic people use alarms to regulate their sleep would apply all the more so to polyphasic sleepers, and I get the sense polyphasic sleep is a sort of "unstable equilibrium"; and if the body can't learn it, that still doesn't mean it's unnatural.

Science could come along and discover a long-term deleterious effect of getting so little sleep, in which case I'd be all ears, but it seems doubtful. I hope the science catches up, though, and we figure out what the deal is with sleep, so we don't have to argue quite so irrationally. There's a lot of interesting recent work on whether being unconscious for eight hours is mostly a behavioral adaptation rather than a biological necessity.

My general philosophy is "if it works, do it", and it definitely works in some instances. Reducing total time spent sleeping per day isn't like smoking cigarettes, it isn't going to slowly poison you. Lots of people get very poor sleep and are definitely impaired during the day, more so than a skilled polyphasic sleeper would report, and they aren't doing long-term damage.
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> They are incentivized by fame and grant money to produce studies with a wow factor.

That's why I said "peer reviewed".

Sceptics have the same incentives as climatologists and when they just publish in newspapers and blogs, they don't have the peer review stage. There is absolutely NO guarantee of correctness or even scientific soundness. Whatever you may think of the peer review process, it's a good deal better than nothing.
I can't believe 1920s America would even have those big imperial ambitions.

It didn't. They just make great homework assignments for junior officers, for the same reason that "Write a plan for defending the United States from a sudden attack by space aliens" does. You can discuss whatever you want in the homework assignment and do it to any level of detail, but if it leaks, national security is not threatened.

Compare that to this: "The Pentagon has produced detailed plans for a nuclear attack on Tehran in response to Iran' bioterrorism, the New York Times has learned." That sort of thing starts wars, and the relevant people don't listen to "Oh for pity's sake, I just wanted Captain McSweeny to get some practice writing out nuclear logistics scenarios. We're not going to actually nuke... hold on a second... I can neither confirm nor deny that we might nuke Tehran in response to a WMD attack."
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Im not unconvinced the reverse isn't happening. In the UK a number of green pressure groups fund the research; this is seems as perfectly acceptable. But I am not sure I agree.
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I just read the article by Derek Sivers about not speaking in the future tense ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=961654 ). In it, he references another of his articles that argues announcing your plans decreases the likelihood of achieving them ( http://sivers.org/zipit ). It has been said that writing a letter to a dead relative can be a cathartic experience despite the intended recipients of the letter never reading the contents. So in the same vein can writing to do lists simulate communicating our intentions and consequently widen the intention behaviour gap?
Well, the best idea I can come up with that stays in line with the idea of transitive closure trees being fast to query is to keep the preorder as an integer on the data table.

This method means moving all those integers up when we insert somewhere in the middle of the preorder, but ah well, at least that process comes during the not so common write instead of read.
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Yeah, see, that's not how things work here. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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I doubt there are some competent tech people over there. It's like those unlimited bandwith sites like site5.com , hostgator.com or servage.net but then, a bit more expensive, better designed and with a more loyal (and more known) user base.
Fair enough. I think there is a reasonable argument that Schiff's common sense explanations of the economic crisis is of interest to hackers.

But yeah the title is definately against the guidelines.
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Thanks Shawn, I'll definitely put that on my priority list. I wanted to get the mvp out to my HN buddies as a pre-cursor to enlisting some feedback out in the wild. As soon as possible, I'll be trying to get some real-life use cases going on, and I'll be able to show "real" demos =). Thanks again.
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Schematics and software are available here:

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Here's the author's blog post with more infos:

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Sounds like it works to me, except that the lack of the actual coin flip introduces an interesting psychological element -- it's kind of like rock-paper-scissors. Two people say "heads" or "tails", and person A wins if they are the same, else B. You can be thinking things like "he usually says 'heads', but maybe he'll try to psyche me out..."
That shows "percentage of total" going down - if you click the "values" link, you'll see the actaul numbers steadily rising.
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Well done my friend, you made a really good job.
As for me, although I am an engineer and can program (however my skills are far below the average ones on HN) and have ideas I would like to get into, I'm just too lazy to start.
It looks like a deep fear inside me (failure ? "give-up-ness" ?) prevents me to try.

PS : sorry for my english, french I am
If I see a village without power, it may very well have been a village with power, but had its power source stolen, or broken without ability to repair, or just destroyed out of spite. However, when I see a village without education, I know that this is a village that has not yet been touched by education. Education is viral; when you give real, useful information to people, it stays with them forever, and no one can take it away from them. Drilling a well, say, only helps those already-powerful who lay claim to the well. No one can lay claim to a mind.
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A reddit user also put together a similar but much longer list: http://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/9p4x9/wikipedias_...
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"while I can sympathize with scientists' decisions not to release their data or their methodologies " - I can't. If your results can't be reproduced independently, it's not science, it's an assertion from authority.

This is a really, really basic part of scientific research. Failing to do it should raise huge red flags.
It doesn't seem possible to get an informed opinion on this subject anymore. Reading "another guy's version" does not really make for better information. Note that publishing a plethora of contradictory information is tried and proven political strategy (FUD).
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Do you have any FACTS to present? Or anything other than arguments from authority and ad hominem attacks?
Typical sensationalist journalism. This murky dark web, the only use of which is kiddie porn, is thousands of times bigger than the "good" Internet. The same journalists think "hacker" is a dirty word.

See Ian Clarke's response: http://blog.locut.us/main/2009/11/25/the-guardian-writes-abo...
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The unadjusted data these people present do not account for the relocation of measurement sites. If a measurement site for an area were to be moved higher above sea level, we would expect its readings to be consistently lower than those recorded prior to its move. Since New Zealand's measurement sites have moved over the last 150 years, the use of these unadjusted data are a complete distortion of reality.

This is an inexcusable mistake. Not only do these people not know the first thing about the data they attempt to analyze, they have evidently never attempted to learn anything at all about the data.

It's also rather implausible that the NIWA is part of a global conspiracy to cook numbers but still provides free, open access to the raw data that reveal the whole nefarious plot to any fool who can plot a chart.
Have you stopped editing Wikipedia? And if so, is it doomed?
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Nevertheless he seems to think that - all things considered - it was a pretty good article.
I thought by the "dark web that is 500 times bigger than the internet" he was really referring to all the data the search engines can't get to. That would include most normal web sites with passwords. Just because he called it "dark" does not imply that all of it is supposed to be criminal stuff. I might have read it wrong, though.
It could be a reaction to the funding research aimed at refuting man-made global warming gets.
In Bob Shaw's book on science fiction writing, he said that when he has told the gist of a story to someone, it releases some of the need to tell the story, and so it's less likely to get written. Therefore, when he's bouncing ideas off someone, and he gets a really good idea, he won't say anything about it, in order to conserve its energy, so it can be channeled into the actual writing.
I don't think recording the temperature of the insides of people's pockets inside of air conditioned buildings would be a good measure of climate. Also, iPhone and open do not go together.
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"If the standard for claims is such that code and data must be publicly available, claims made without such backing would be more easily dismissed."

I am not sure Joe Sixpack can be convinced the claims have little merit if they have flashy graphics.

As for the CRU... Well... This is not a shining example of scientific conduct, but, as I said before, I am not too eager to blame them. Right now, they are in the middle of a very dangerous game.

And yes. Scumbags will play both sides. It's just that the "global warming doesn't exist" side has more money right now, so, most scumbags seem to line up on that side.