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You're quoting individual grafs from a 4-page executive summary. The entire rest of the document goes into excruciating detail about the myriad of objections ESA has to the exemption proposal.

You can, in fact, go line-by-line through a 71-page comment. When you purport to summarize it, you are obliged to capture it in its entirety, or else disclaim the fact that you're responding only to a fragment. EFF failed to do that here.

9 minutes later

The ESA document isn't 71 pages long. It's 29 pages, plus exhibits. I read all 29, and mined out all the arguments I could find (excuse the typos, I tried to go as fast as I could):

sweeping scope

burden is on exemption asker

no concept of “abandoned game” in copyright law

exempts modifications on non-gaming platforms

applies to games other than those eft claims it does

turning off online services doesn’t abandon game

access controls used for more than just enabling matchmaking

implicates controls fundamental to the platform like code
signing

copyright owner entitled to benefits/revenue from online
services

fails to meet burden that “most use would be noninfinging”

online services licensed separately from game, so modifying
game itself infringes

six month time duration has no basis in law

exemption is broader than fair use (preservation and study)

significant commercial non transformative use

involves reproduction/distribution of copyrighted game
assets

amount of code implicated is sweeping and unreasonable,
unlike book excerpt

has the effect of circulating tools also used for piracy,
which harms market

too many market alternatives to support argument of
irreparable harm to consumers, including 1p games

copyright holders already doing preservation work with
museums

consumer harm proposed by eff is hypothetical

games aren’t abandoned when they have thriving communities,
so benefits are minimal

librarian is obligated by congress to consider adverse
effect of exemptions

eff identifies no actual nonprofit or archival project that
would benefit

online services have no impact on criticism comment or news
reporting

creates confusion among users about what is or isn’t lawful,
thus increasing piracy

impacts not just copyright but also brands and trademarks of
game publishers

---

Do you honestly think EFF's summary of these arguments was honest? This took me 9 minutes to read and type up. EFF didn't have 9 extra minutes to get it right?
That's how it's supposed to work - if you don't make a better type then people will stick with the old type. It seems in many areas technology has plateaued and so companies have moved to planned obsolescence, which this is just a version of.

This just highlights to me that the current economic systems are failing and a paradigm shift is required to allow mankind to make better use of resource. We can make a bucket that will last multiple lifetimes but if you go to the shop you'll find ones that break after a short period of use.

Companies are seeking laws to allow them to engineer in obsolescence of copyright works and prevent those who purchased copies of those works from working around that obsolescence. Rather like making cars with closed engine bays and legislating against owners using tools to access the engines for repairs ... no doubt that will come, auto-mobile computers are starting to make car repairs rather like this already.
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> I almost get the impression that you don't think the ESA has a legitimate interest in preventing piracy.

Well, there's legitimate and there's legitimate. We're not discussing here whether they should try to prevent piracy, it's whether they should block efforts to get a small temporary exemption related to non-infringing uses of abandoned software put in place for the next three years.

It's frustrating to me that ESA and some of the other respondents here try to bootstrap from a copyright purpose to non-copyright ones. Nothing in this exemption would render infringement legal; if granted, it would just remove legal uncertainty from circumvention for limited non-infringing uses. In that sense, the legitimacy of the underlying copyright concern is kind of irrelevant.
It's too late to edit, but I now realize that what I wrote is pretty confusing. Especially the part with "You don't speak Chinese, right?" which should be between quotes. It's the translation of the previous sentence, not something that I'm actually asking... And I should add that I don't speak Mandarin fluently, but I'm still confident about the above.
Apologies for being offtopic but is anyone else getting hideous font rendering in that article?

http://i.imgur.com/z3sacRc.png

Edit: It seems like the administrators here have decided that Chrome 36 is best Chrome and it's the version before Windows font rendering was fixed.
iCloud doesn't scale in this case. Take about 1 1:00 video per week for a few years and you've already gone over the 1TB iCloud service limit. Anyone who's kept their personal photo history for 7+ years probably already goes over this limit.

It's pretty sad, because it's probably the fastest photo management app out there.
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"The stock app works the way it should without me having to find another service" is a good thing, not really a problem.

I'm glad Apple's improving their software offerings, because not everything of theirs is "works like it should" good.
How wonderfully recursive of you.
You have been commenting righteously about how the EFF misrepresents the ESA's position but you haven't stated what the misrepresentation is besides telling people to read the 71 page paper and that "the ESA has a legitimate interest in preventing piracy", which is the same thing the EFF is saying: the ESA is conflating hacking old games with piracy.
But I wrote a EULA that says to game companies that they void all other EULAs when they sell me a game ...

Of course it's not enforceable, it's a one-sided contract. If their's is enforceable though mine should be too.
If only that was cross platform like SSH is.
@trentnelson Don't forget I/O Completion Ports (IOCP) :)
Ah, whoops. No idea why I thought you were a gamer, sorry.

I agree. The blog post would carry more force by presenting the ESA's points and demonstrating why they're unrelated to the idea at hand: to revive an abandoned videogame, one simply needs to hack together a fake gameserver. That's doable without modifying anything, so the legality of hacking consoles or jailbreaking shouldn't be at issue. Etc. If the EFF were to point out how strange those arguments sound when contrasted with the reality of what people want to do, it would be much more effective.

Thanks for breaking out the ESA's points from that 71-page document. They don't make it an enjoyable read.
>"Hacking" is simply the term of art the ESA response chooses to use for the reversing and manipulation of game titles.

I thought EFF made that pretty clear. Reversing and manipulation are things that should not be banned.

Patching should not be considered copyright infringement. It's nonsense.

All the points you're listing seem pretty weak to me. People are allowed to make services that can be applied to your product without paying you. The six months thing is just there to make their lives easier, I'd be fine having the exemption always apply. The idea that a multiplayer game with no servers isn't abandoned is laughable. Who cares if other features are impacted? Jailbreaking should be allowed, no problem there. Restoring matchmaking does not require trafficking the entire work. Again, people can make services for your product without paying you.
If this goes through, I'll be super-excited. I don't want my kids on ads. I don't want me on ads either.
My guess is this is just the lazy way to deal with the situation. Instead of working out who can do what with old stuff, the just say no.
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Poll: what are the primary languages in use at your company / in your team?
Or just put the box down, open the door, pick up the box again

:-\
Facebook games are an intriguing phenomenon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_Clicker -- the creator received death threats when he took the game offline
Every policy debate should come with an investment club advisory only visible to those who purchased a Sony 3d TV and the requisite glasses.

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Amazon.com

At one point, they decided to just give he customer whatever they wanted, except in cases of fraud or abuse, and they are fantastic now.
Exactly. This also ties in nicely with a test-heavy build process to make sure that said security updates don't cause any regressions.

EDIT: To give you a chance to catch those regressions, at least.
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Remember in this case we have two companies which decided to work together on a project and established no-poaching agreement.

If you ask your friend to go out with you on a trip along with your girlfriend, would it be ok if your friend builds relationship with her during the trip and she breaks up with you? You can argue that may be your girlfriend found a better fit and you should be ok with that. OR you can argue that you and your girlfriend were doing just fine but your friend violated your trust and lured her away destroying your precious relationship. I bet you can find people arguing both cases as "obviously" right outcome.

PS: I'm not arguing any of the sides but I'm intrigued by this morality problem.
Is John Gruber ever non-biased in his pieces about Apple? Given his history with the company, I feel like with Gruber we never ever get the real deal. Every article on every Apple product announcement starts out feeling well-intentioned and non-objective, but then always seems to segue into a subtle praise piece. I am not hating on him, he still makes some great points and he puts considerable amounts of effort into analysis pieces. I just feel like with Gruber we would never see an article honestly telling us something Apple have released is bad.

> Also, though it sounds trivial, I enjoy the perfect 60 FPS smoothness of Apple Watch’s second hand — a smoothness no mechanical watch could ever match.

Based on a culmination of reviews and early preview articles I have read, videos and basically everything I have read about the Apple Watch this statement seems kind of ironic. The second hand might be smooth, but the very real performance issues people have encountered with the watch mean the rest of the Apple Watch experience is anything but smooth. What's the point of a smooth second hand if the rest of the experience is somewhat crippled and unusable?

I like the look of the Apple Watch and the very idea of it, but to an extent. It feels as though articles like Gruber's here are talking with reckless abandon, from the perspective that existing solutions aren't out there. From a user interface perspective the Pebble watch and Moto 360 especially are beautiful, well-crafted and smooth interfaces. Apple are not entering new territory nor are they introducing any ideas or improvements into the space (besides the physical appearance).

Lets not pretend that there aren't as equally good, if not, better smart watches out there. They might not have had the same amount of design and research put into them, but I think there is such a thing as over-engineering something. I am pretty happy with my Pebble watch, the battery life is great and so too, is the battery life.

I am by no means an expert, but I like nice watches and to me the Apple Watch will never match the build quality, feel and longevity of a nice traditional mechanical watch even if it is only from a battery life perspective.
Basically every time Tim Ferris talks on his podcast.
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"Drinks with colleagues revolved around the same stories told again and again " hm, anything to do with their address of "1 infinite loop"? Funny, usually infinite loops are a sign somebody fucked up.
It was the ESA who said out right "all hacking is illegal", not me, not the EFF. By that logic, this very site is full of nothing but hardened criminals bent on piracy and wrongdoing, and its very name is contraband. That's just plain silly.
A common example given for this is in node's `fs` class, which provides synchronous versions of many async calls like `readFile` -> `readFileSync`,
It kind of grates on me when someone always answers in the affirmative with 'No, [affirmative]'. It has become more and more common (especially when I speak with people from California).

I think there's combination of forces at play. But I think a big factor is that people are afraid of appearing too agreeable. It would just be way to overt and enthusiastic to just say 'Yeah, totally' for Californian sensibilities.
Your son is lucky. That's all I'll say. :)
What a great project. Thanks for sharing.
No Scala?
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Well: I have a game-y company now. I take no offense. I own a PS4!
This looks great, I just forked it and will have a play around with it within the next week. The biggest gripe I have with CSS frameworks like Bootstrap and Foundation is the amount of effort you need to go to in regards to how you write your markup and what classes you use, they are far too opinionated until you reach the point you spend more time undoing default CSS styles than you do writing your own. Bootstrap is a great example of this, you define a container, then you define a row and then you add in your grid classes and if you want to nest a grid item within a grid, you have to introduce another row element to do so, it can get messy.
Including weekly one hour of tech talk I have 2-3 hours of meeting every week and I love it that way. 10 hours a week would be terrible. (Not a Googler btw).
That's true, but then, those titles haven't been abandoned, have they?

I'm asking because the question is interesting. I want to be careful about being boxed into supporting ESA. I don't; I just think EFF's online advocacy is chronically misleading.
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"It doesn't really make any sense as to why a VC would turn down a women-led startup just because of gender."

Agree on knowing the split of accepted startups.

As for selection, do you really think selection is made 100% logically? No gut level decision making or insider/outside dynamics at work here? Within the decision making process, bias is at work.
Anecdotally, my last iPhone broke in a pool of anecdotal water.
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> A scripting language that can not fork off a subprocess does not sound particularly usable to me.

See Powershell's Start-Job[0] Get-Job[1] Remove-Job[2].

> Windows Powershell does not come close to the feature set or expressiveness that bash+the Linux userland can have in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing.

Well nobody can argue that Powershell doesn't have just under fifty years of back-catalogue. That's obviously a massive advantage and head start, as is the expertise that comes along with it.

As to the "expressiveness," I'd need to know more specifically what you're referring to to address that point.

[0] https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh849698.aspx

[1] https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh849693.aspx

[2] https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh849742.aspx
That map function looks a lot like it has 2 arguments, a function and an operand array (ie a list)??
There are way to little responsibilities for the copyright holders compared to the rights are able to enforce.

Copyrighted works could be treated comparable to undeveloped land if not used. Meaning works currently not being commercially available in a supported medium under reasonable conditions from the rights holder. If available the rights holder may either pay an annual tax (much like land value tax) or release the work into public domain.
Primarily using Javascript with .NET here. More specifically Rob Eisenberg's new framework and Durandal successor: Aurelia. Before that it was AngularJS. We are looking into Node.js for API stuff as well, so still Javascript.
If there are words in the original post that give the impression that we're providing an exhaustive summary, let me know and I'll see how we can clarify.

One of the arguments ESA made seems to resonate with people. I don't think it's at all dishonest to point that out.

We will address the comments more completely with the response filing. In the meantime, I'm glad your 9 minute list exists in case people prefer it to the original.
I think that varies quite a lot based on company profile and role-type.

We phone screen anyone who has a resume that's vaguely relevant. If you're applying for a software engineering role and have never done any development, then we'll reject straight away, but that almost never happens.

We simply don't have a high enough profile to receive a flood of applications that we need to filter before we phone screen.

And for a software engineering role, evaluating the work test takes as much as the phone screen (sometimes more). We're not simply checking whether you can produce the right output for FizzBuzz (checking that could be automated), we're looking at your choice of algorithm, design trade-offs, unit testing approach, etc - things that require a human to be involved.

Different companies and different roles will have different time investments.

A CTF style task can be evaluated more simply (at least on first pass) - did you capture the flag.

And if you are looking for a few amazing candidates form amongst a mass of poor ones, then you can afford to optimise your process so that you test every candidate at as low a cost as possible, even if that causes some candidates to self-select out.
"...conflating locksmiths with burglars..."

I think that's exactly what is happening. This is often used in politics, and is akin to "I'm just saying..."

"He may or may not have criminal intentions, I don't know, I'm just saying..."

It's intentionally drawing loose correlations and leaving the equivalence up to the reader. Once the suggestion is made, however, it's hard to dissociate.

I agree with one of the ancestor posters - the ESA has no dog in this fight other than fearing that allowing any hacking is a slippery slope, and it is in their favor to make sure "hacking" is never seen in a positive light.
For the initial release, you are right that you'll find most of these metrics in net-snmp. It's the selection that's more interesting, which is guided by the USE method: identifying utilization, saturation, and error metrics for key resources. We're missing some metrics (so do all monitoring tools), and we'll be extending Vector to include them (as can other people, as it's open source).

One challenge is that there are some metrics that the kernel doesn't make available, so we need to either use tracers to fetch them, patch the kernel, or use custom kernel modules. In recent weeks, I've been using (or trying to use): ftrace, perf_events, SystemTap, eBPF, and LTTng. I've also used others, but not in the last few weeks. I'm really looking forward to getting these advanced tools into Vector.
I worked at Apple for more than 10 years in various roles (have the Glass apple). Some of them were a grind, some were awesome, overall it was great and I'd do many the jobs again. A ton of the people I worked with were sharp, interesting, and entertaining. The corporate culture is generally fun, the pay could be better, but the stock options and stock purchase plan made up for it, the benefits are excellent, the food is awesome, and the campuses are generally pretty nice (some are great, some are merely good).

The culture is strongly one of not talking about working at Apple while employed so not many people will discuss it online, especially if they like their jobs. The culture of secrecy is one of those things that I never was bothered by, since it's just the norm.

Some orgs. are much better to work for than others, with around ten thousand employees in hundreds of teams, there's not many ways to reasonably generalize about what it's like to work there - different jobs can result in incredibly different experiences. The guy in the article was an AppleCare program manager dealing with OSV support centers, a job I'd never sign up for ever, since it's a corporate grind that's inherently tied to interdepartmental politics and squabbling with OSVs.
well it doesn't help your (or their) point when they underestimate the hourly wage by an order of magnitude.
OP here - add a comment if you want to provide details on frameworks/sub-technologies in use.
I see a glaring difference between the two. Apple reads like a license to provide you your own photos for your own personal use. Google reads like a license for them to basically do whatever they want to do with them in the course of their business, and the business of anyone they "work with"!

Apple;

you grant Apple a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license
to use... on the Service solely for the purpose for which such
Content was submitted or made available

Google;

you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to
use... The rights you grant in this license are for the limited
purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to
develop new ones.

Frankly, I do not want Google, or anyone they work with, using my personal photos or intellectual property to improve their services, to promote services, or to develop new services. What does Google's "Services" even mean in this context? Does it extend to Adwords? Chrome Store?

Everyone reserves the right to modify their agreements, so I think that's a strawman. If and when Apple modifies their ToS to allow them (and those they work with) to use my personal property for promoting, improving, or developing new "Services", then they will have stooped to the same level.
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ESA probably hates this too: https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos_games/

Boo! Publishers never thought of Emscripten... Those ESA crooks should really be strongly opposed, together with repealing the whole DMCA-1201.
This is why EFF had no need to misrepresent ESA's argument: their entire audience believes that ESA's constituents don't have the right to enforce licenses that restrict end-user rights to modify game titles.

The fact is that the idea that you can "do anything you like with any electronic devices or digital bits you acquire legally" has no current basis in US law. Promises agreed to in contracts that restrict your ability to modify games are enforceable. Generally, the manner in which game publishers and console vendors secure those promises are recognized by the law.

You can want the law to be otherwise (I might too!), but that's not germane to the actual situation EFF faces, which is a legal argument with ESA in the venue of the Library of Congress.
Something like ZFS would be a double edge sword for Apple.

A lot of consumers are quite obvlious to bit rot. As you point out - most of this occurs in large media files which they are unlikely to notice. Even with things like corrupted documents they will likely blame it on an application glitch.

With ZFS they will see scary diagnostic messages. Consumers will want their SSD or RAM replaced. (ZFS does a great job of catching RAM errors on systems without ECC)

This would no doubt drive higher warranty costs for Apple and cause consumer dissatisfaction.

Ignore is bliss...
And what about an API? Is in your plans?
that's not all that different from the deal folks get from the U.S. military; agree to work 12-on/12-off at someone else's will, for some reasonable number of months at a time ('reasonable' is determined by people who have done the same gig, once upon a time, and climbed the organisational hierarchy); in return get decent pay and extremely decent post-tenure benefits.
Nowadays you could sync and then force a shutdown (hard), then mount your drive on another machine. A hard thing to do in the days of vaxes.