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I think that people participating in this thread might have a substantial misunderstanding of this executive order. This does not seem to create a policy whereby law enforcement can arbitrarily seize property owned by accused hackers. Asset forfeiture as a drug war tool is extremely problematic, and deserving of debate, but this is not that.

Instead, this allows "the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State" to add a list of foreign hackers "located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States" to the "Specially Designated Nationals" list that Treasury maintains (at the Office of Foreign Asset Control). All US businesses, but especially financial institutions, who have an affirmative requirement to know their customers, have an obligation to not do business with entities listed on the SDN list.

I am not a lawyer, but I have in the past written software intended to detect transactions by people on the SDN list. It is of finite length, it is publicly available for review, and individuals and businesses can only be added to it if an explicit decision is made at the cabinet level (as per my recollection).

In general, I would think that HN would see this executive order as a good thing, because it will create a tool for the US to penalize criminal hackers that otherwise would be hiding in Russia, Iran or China. It is profoundly unlikely that these powers would be directed at any US persons, unless they were found to be dealing directly with the people enumerated on this public list.
Exactly, the Indian market is still new and no such app has gained traction and user base till now. SwagBucks is one of the leading apps/websites in this area but they are not present in Indian Market.
PS - Maybe I lack the full facts of the case.

Pay attention to the extortion aspect of it. Identity fraud and harassment are one thing, but directly extorting people has never been something you get off with a slap on the wrist.
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Identity is often stolen from vulnerable systems as well. Like that huge Target data breach. Those stolen card details end up for sale on carder websites for around a $1 each.
This is a freeze, not a forfeiture. Also, it won't affect people in terms of legal advice, plea deals etc. because it only applies to people who launch attacks on critical infrastructure from outside the country, and thus beyond the reach of US police. The differences are subtle, but significant. It's basically the same mechanism we use against other sanctioned targets such as terrorist organizations: http://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/t11sdn.pdf

This would not affect, for example, the people who engineered the Sony data breach or any of the various cyberattacks against retail or service companies that have been in the news in recent years.

Your worries about the constitutional basis for executive orders are misplaced, I think. Bear in mind that the President is in charge of the executive branch; this order promulgates a policy rule for executive agencies, ie, should the relevant event occur, DoJ is instructed to launch proceedings* to have the assets frozen. Think of it as a statement about how the administration will exercise its lawfully delegated powers going forward.

Edit: I said DoJ but the process starts with Treasury adding the person to the SDN list and proceeding from there by established means, though the doJ would get involved with that down the line, most likely. Sorry if that was confusing.

* by applying to a court for the authority, not on its own authority or on the authority of the order itself
Man, what's with Obama ?

He vetoes the insignificant Keystone, but allows Arctic drilling (competing with Russia now, are we ?).

Now this ?

(Okay the Iran deal is promising).
In high school, some teachers called security for 'suspecting me to be hacking'. I had just started programming and, because of a terminal(black background and green font), they seized my laptop and gave it to their analyst. Back in the day, I had no idea what my rights were, but I remember to feel violated and insecure.

As a programmer, I fear ignorant law enforcers will actually undermine the hacking community, which elementary has nothing to do with crime.
Something that I'm a big proponent of is that its likely impossible to persuade the masses to move to something new if it doesn't provide a large advantage for them.

We need a social network that improves on Facebook and Twitter, not just in terms of preventing censorship, but in UX and performance and what it provides to boring Average Joe. It also cannot have any disadvantage.

Forgive my lack of imagination here but I don't know if that's actually going to be possible. How can we create a distributed platform that Average Joe can use? Facebook requires only an email address, and all his friends are already on it.

It's not impossible, but it is difficult, and I just don't see it happening.
I wonder if the lack of HTTPS during normal browsing is a deliberate choice (one motivated by testing) or if it's only like that out of legacy (preservation of URLs). It's difficult to imagine all of the possible issues they may know about that we don't, given their scale.

The author mentions that removing the ref parameter would be a solution to one of the problems discussed in the article but I put forward that they could also just encrypt the value for transmission and store the information in plain on the backend. If they won't move to HTTPS then that should solve at least one of the issues.
I can be more interesting reframed as such:

The player is the AI, and the predictor is the AI programmer.

The AI programmer can look into the innards of the AI ie. the source code and can thus predict with high accuracy what the AI will do.

What is a winning strategy for the AI?

Or taken another way, you can have AI's that have access to each other's source code and are competing for some scarce resource, how do you design an AI that 'wins' when it's behaviour is known it's opponent?
I disagree, explanation is fundamentally incompatible with the purpose of downvoting. I suppose it would make sense if the explanations were hidden and only made visible to the poster whose comment was downvoted, or by activelt interacting with the downvoted post. Otherwise, its polluting discussion of the topic with meta-discussion, compounding further the problem posed by posts that are downvoted.
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So what is the definition of "hacker"?
Because the original K&R book introduced for(;;) structure.
"We're in a perpetual state of emergency" is the convenient excuse of the rulers.
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The quality of the comments on YouTube? They are really so bad I wanted to puke. They believe Woz is so rich so that he could get over with "illegal tender", even secret service approves "his own printed tender".

Is this really the US general public's comprehension level?
Foreign banks. Unfortunately, if you're a US citizen, the ability to use Swiss banks went away in 2009. There's always the Cayman Islands and other tax havens with banking secrecy laws.

Another options is to buy illiquid assets. Invest in private company stocks, for example. The government cannot really freeze or seize illiquid equity.

That said - I am not a lawyer, and I could be completely wrong.
Cool! Has anyone heard of the price yet?
G.W was a Goog-Magoog mumbling idiot,
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/au...
(yes, he may still have been good).

That said, I think Ron Paul is awesome - although IMO he's a bit too libertarian. Definitely not charming enough for contemporary sensibilities, however.
This is a freeze, not a forfeiture.

Once your money is frozen and you have no money for the very high priced lawyers necessary to get it back, this is a distinction without a difference. The government's primary use of asset freezes is to paralyze a target's ability to defend themselves. Well financed defendants able to exercise their rights are a nuisance to bloodthirsty federal prosecutors, and executive orders like this one are designed to remove that nuisance. There is a reason that federal conviction rates are, for all intents and purposes, 100%.
Please stop downvoting this guy, it's a fantastic question that challenges me and others to think critically about their actions.

I'm a bit of an edge case, I just barely wasn't old enough to vote in 2008.

In 2012 I would have much preferred to vote for the Green Party. I would have preferred to vote for Ron Paul. I might have even preferred to vote for McCain if he was running.

But my idealism couldn't overcome the fact that I live in a swing state and Mitt Romney would have probably been even more devastating to the issues I care about.

I'm not happy about having my hand forced, but that's just a problem with the US two party system and that's a topic for another day.
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As someone who didn't have his own computer till senior year of high school, I don't really understand what you mean. This has nothing to do with being afraid of the internet. They're taking measures against foreign hackers (more correctly crackers) who use the internet for all the wrong reasons.
The NSA thing is less being afraid of the internet and more gaining intel from it. And they would rather have you on the internet doing shady stuff than not on it and doing shady stuff as they can penetrate you better. NSA is wrong but they would gain intelligence through various means regardless of whether the internet existed. But it really is only criminals and people up to no good who should fear this kind of legislation.
How is this different to bootsrap scrollspy?
I know that's what you think. At some point, you picked up a very linear path in life, and you think any deviation from that line constitutes some form of imperfection. It's why you're probably great at coding or math, but suffer in some other areas of life.

Why should you listen to someone who doesn't write like a robot? For one, it is boring to listen to people who communicate that way. Read some Gaddis or Pynchon. Read XKCD. Listen to music from all eras and cultures. Hell, listen to a joke, or watch a stupid cat video, or go skiing, or fuck a pretty girl, or a guy, or try some peyote. Life is filled with sensory perceptions that are worthwhile outside of the context of accumulation of knowledge or money or whatever you're optimizing for.

I choose to speak the way I do because I would rather risk alienating people like you by being myself than to allow the world to mold me based on some ill-informed[1] perception of what I think the other people in this world are like.

[1] Which, I guarantee, you and me and everyone we know are ill-informed on this topic.
The source article absolutely reeks of editorial bias, and does a very poor job of explaining the order itself, though at least it links to it. As you say, it's actually very narrowly tailored, and basically just grandfathers in cyberattacks against critical infrastructure as a type of terroristic activity.
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Would they hold property in the US if they weren't US citizens ? I mean, what's the point ?

Can this be used against the Chinese defence manufacturers, who are rumoured to have benefitted from the attacks on Lockheed-Martin ?
I'll break the mold in this thread by saying this outcome is ideal. At the core, this was a new kind of case. This sets a precedent for people who may try to replicate his business model, and it makes it seem less desirable. Sure, people could just do it internationally, etc, but this is a good outcome for a tenacious and abusive criminal.

edit: it is an injustice that people are jailed for minor crimes, it seems wild that this is longer than some murderers receive, but recognize that what effectively happened here's was the monetization of widespread psychological and social abuse. 18 years is likely less than the sum time his victims have spent trying to deal with the abuse he inflicted, willingly and for profit.

edit 2: removed downvote gripe, in response to feedback, previously the first paragraph ended with "Let the downvotes flow."
You know, I addressed that in the very next sentence. Maybe you could just slow down and read the whole thing a couple of times before leaping to disagree.
It seems there could be a demand for open-source printer firmware... but I'm not aware of any projects. There are some efforts to get around cartridge DRM though, but they tend to be relatively small. I suppose one problem could be the massive number of different models out there, although from what I've seen a lot of models are based on the same mechanics and processor platforms.

On the other hand, completely open-source 3D printers seem to be a lot more prominent and successful.
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Why is this list specially made for hackers and not all criminals hiding outside the US?
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I wonder what sort of sentence he might have had if he'd plead guilty:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-revenge-porn-ver...
This needs to be a meme!
The claimed walking advantage is 7% even with the extra weight, which is a hell of a lot. They make no claim for running.
Totally agreed.

What drew me to Paul was the way he spoke. He was this frail looking old man that mumbled in debates, which the general public sees negatively, but to me it just made him so genuine.

The guy believes everything he ever said. He's honest. He doesn't change his opionions to pander to audiences. He doesn't try to go all Hollywood and make agreeable soundbytes. He lays all the gory details right in the open, and you can see his thought process as he goes along. This doesn't bode well for the political debate world where you're limited in time and have to give a bunch of elevator speeches.

Most politicans will tell you how they feel, and then say why they feel that way, where Ron Paul brings you through his thought process. What this means is that even where I disagree with him, I understand where he's coming from.
Lots of people have property in the US without being citizens. You can set up a Delaware corporation online very cheaply. There are many legitimate reasons for doing so, like if you plan to expand your business into the US or you want to invest in a company listed on a US stock market.

On the illegal side, lots of people try to use the US as a tax haven because it's surprisingly easy to obscure ownership through corporate structures. Also, money is important for both terrorism and espionage; a good deal of counter-espionage work consists of just investigating financial transaction metadata looking for unusual patterns. IIRC that was what led to the discovery of a Russian spy ring in NY a few years back.
I didn't get the impression he put them into a slot machine, it seems unlikely it would accept 2 dollar bills.

Also, I don't have a lot of casino security experience, but if a guy rips bills of a pad, it seems more likely he is joking around instead of counterfeiting. If you were counterfeiting currency you wouldn't want it on a pad, that's not very realistic at all.
Trolling an LE agent doesn't seem to be a good thing to do.
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Hmm, this reminds me of,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOvEwtDycs
That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for, thought the general reactivity of the Australian government makes me question its insulation...

Catch-22 I guess. Not sure how to get the AAA-rating and liquidity it provides without being entirely within the sphere of US economic dominance; perfectly safe, right until they decide a little political/economic pressure is warranted.
Well it will be interesting what the actual term is, since in California the prisons are over crowded, the most anyone actually serves seems to be 1/2 their sentence [1], so 9 years. There are also changes all the time to the parole system [2] which try to relieve over crowding by getting non-violent offenders out early.

That said, the guy really did a lot of damage to a lot of people who will never get their life back the way they want too, and this has to weigh on the judge's mind as well.

[1] http://blog.la-criminal-defense.com/how-credit-for-time-serv... -- note he doesn't have to register as a 'sex offender'

[2] http://www.shouselaw.com/parolehub.html
* hackers' assets
Somehow, I don't think John McCain or Mitt Romney would have made any better paragons of civil rights or of a restrained executive (though it was hard to believe Obama would be worse than Bush in that regard). It's a political system created by the bipartisan 'one party with two wings'.

But what was disappointing was the primarily Democratic Party 'peace movement' which rallied so hard against Bush's wars and then dissolved away as soon as Obama got elected. People will go along with the worst kinds of abuse if their political favorite is doing it.
I just started learning Go last night, but I'll hazard a guess: since Go draws heavily from C, but has the for loop as its only looping construct, it seems likely that this habit has carried back into C code written by developers who've used Go, or who've been reading a lot C code written by developers who also use Go.
Ironically this comment has been downvoted a few times. Point made.

EDIT: try giving a reason for downvoting. Apparently opposition to downvoting is not a popular opinion.
Let's reverse the numbers and make both boxes transparent.

If The Predictor suspects you will choose just box A, it'll put 1 million in box B and 1 thousand in box A, if it suspects you will take both A and B, it will put nothing anything in box B and 1 thousand in box A.

So now you standing in front of the two transparent boxes. You see that there is $1 million in box B, yet you still take just box A?
Can same law be used against "security researchers" or anyone running "security related" website ?
If you've been following HN for 4+ years then you will have noticed that, in some ways, HN is already an echo chamber.

The same regular startupy stories with different titles crop up as each new batch of folks discover HN. I'm talking about things like...

- How I increased my conversion funnel by x%

- What I learnt from my 3 failed startups

- [Entreporn Startup] Raises 50m

- How I earned $500k as an indie games developer

- Etc.
Don't you think that murderers getting less than 18 years is the real problem?
Somewhat agreed, but couldn't our legal tools instead/also be focused on the organizations that take responsibility for storing our data? Fines for allowing user data to be breached may stimulate development of tools and methodologies better able to protect private data and rules that limit sharing of user data can protect us from even the well-financed malevolent actors.

Focusing on this side of the coin may allow us to realize systems that actually do protect our data from being compromised as opposed to spending our resources tracking down individuals and attempting to apply legal tools which the most successful criminals will soon adapt to evade anyway.
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That is awesome. He has a lot more guts than I do. It's one thing to play a clever prank on a friend. It's quite another to play a clever prank on a casino security manager. And the secret service? Wow.
A bill of attainder is a legislative act targeted against a particular individual, eg 'Now be it decided that pmorici's property is forfeit by this act, which shall be known as the 'Mess with Pmorici Act'.

This executive order details particular behaviors computer attacks on critical national infrastructure from outside the US - that would get someone put on the OFAC list maintained by the treasury.

C'mon man, I just checked the Wikipedia link and it says the exact same thing in the very first sentence. I get the impression that you linked it without actually having read it, instead relying on the impression you formed from watching the TV show. Don't try to figure out the law (or much of anything else) from a TV show. As a screenwriter myself I assure you that anything designed to go on a screen is dumbed down to the point of being wildly inaccurate. We write to engage your emotions, not your intellect.
> Critical thinking is good; shallow cynicism, on the other hand, adds nothing of value to the community.

That's a comparison of apples and oranges. Critical thinking is something you do, i.e. an action. Cynicism is an attribute of a person.

This essentially tells that a cynic, i.e. the person as a whole, should not contribute in the case he/she is shallow. Whatever 'shallow' means in the context of a point of view developed from years of experience.

So even if such a 'shallow cynic' is critically thinking he/she is excluded as per that statement.

I'd rephrase that statement using a word like sarcasm (that is actually an action and not a statement about a person) since the guidelines should not criticize persons but their actions, which is – by the way – the right way to phrase negative feedback.
There are definitely plans to enable https on www.amazon.* and people are working on this right now.
Sounds like if you pay Cryptolocker to recover your files then you can have you money frozen too. Perhaps this is a good incentive to stop people paying extortionists.
Huh, there's an errant "Clock Speed: 16 MHz" there.
What constitutes a hacker? Has the US government learned nothing of what happened to Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer what he did landed him jail time and under this executive order he would have been considered a hacker and had all of his assets seized. We all remember what tragically happened to Aaron Swartz when he took his life due to excessive overreach from the Government after he took those PACER documents and made them freely available for everyone. I am seriously shocked, not surprised, but legitimately shocked what Obama has been doing of late in regards to cyber crime and so called hackers.
No, it's you and people like you.
Look at the first few pages of this: https://www.eff.org/document/appellate-court-opinion

See how the court chooses their words to paint a simple technical action such as changing a user agent to be this inherently malicious thing that only an expert hacker would ever do?

I believe that is shared by everyone in government. They just do not know what's going on, and they fear it.

Because of this, I think Obama lacks the wherewithal to understand how this legislation could possibly hurt technical people that are not malicious. There's a collective fear in government of anyone technical.

I think that if Obama had a working understanding of computers, he wouldn't be pushing for this. He'd understand how it could hurt the good guys.

Maybe I'm naive though.
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Are there bug bounty programs for critical national infrastructure components?
"This doesn't bode well for the political debate"
...which is precisely why all this (the "zeitgeist" ?) is so worrying.
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That's for the Atmel microcontroller part, the ARM processer is listed lower down