>There is tons and tons of evidence showing that sexual harassment is primarily a problem with men sexually harassing women.

Yep, never disagreed with that.

>Granted these aren't stats about men or women experiencing retaliation in your cooked up, mythical scenario.

What??? My scenario is "men harasses woman, someone else sees". Your stats are impeccable, but they are about victims reporting, and that is totally unrelated to my argument.

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I'll leave the middle part for last.

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> 1. Having the means to solve a problem in no way morally obligates you to do something about it. I have something like $5,000 in a savings account.

This is a reasonable point. I may or may not accept it entirely, but it's entirely valid.

>2. No one is morally obligated to solve a problem for which they are not responsible.

Yep, I agree here, the question is about how to define 'responsible'.

>3. You can never fully ascertain risk, especially in these circumstances.

Agreed that you can never be sure. This applies to everyone so it doesn't change my argument at all. It just changes where you draw lines, not if you draw lines.

>4. It is grossly entitled for a system that oppresses women to ask women for support so it can stop oppressing them, labeling them as "part of the problem" if they refuse.

It's entitled to do this to anyone who is not a harasser, but someone's gotta explain that it's not okay.

>5. Given the current situation, which simplified could be characterized as men having $10,000 to solve a problem and Women have $7,500 to solve a problem because the problem has already cost women $2,500, why are women obligated to spend any money at all to fix the problem? Hasn't the problem cost them enough already?

This hits right at the core of how you and I disagree. I don't think unfair treatment should come before moral obligations. Moral obligations are there no matter how you've been treated.

But perhaps you say the obligation is for the rich to help first. That is totally valid! White straight guy has to help the most, because he had it easy. I can get behind that! But then Man Z, who only has $300 because life screwed him over, I don't think he's more obligated to help than the woman with $7,500 is.

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Now your bullet points.

* Do you disagree that it's not women's fault someone is being harassed?

Depends on what 'fault' means. They have no direct fault, they share in societal fault.

* Do you disagree that women are not responsible for the patriarchy?

Women are partially responsible for the patriarchy. They are not slave caste. They are mistreated and much of their rightful power is stolen from them, but not all of it.

* Do you disagree that women are far more likely to suffer the effects of retaliation compared to men, because they're far more likely to experience harassment?

I agree that women are far more likely to suffer retaliation because they experience more harassment. However I am not convinced about retaliation unrelated to self-reporting. In particular I am not convinced that women trying to fix societal flaws are far more likely to suffer retaliation than men.

In other words, I'm not sure the problem goes beyond "people are really shitty to victims".

* Do you disagree that women start from a point of disadvantage compared to men, and therefore are not obligated to spend their hard-won resources fixing a problem that isn't their fault and that has already disadvantaged them, especially when they can't guarantee that something bad won't happen to them?

Hoo boy. I'm going to split this one up.

> women start from a point of disadvantage compared to men

Yes.

> therefore are not obligated

Disagree.

>a problem that isn't their fault

Same for non-harassing men.

>and that has already disadvantaged them

This is true, this sucks.

>especially when they can't guarantee that something bad won't happen to them

For trying to change society's standards? This is technically correct, but this applies to men too, and is totally unrelated to the retaliation inflicted upon victims.

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So in summary:

Some men harass women.

These men and only these men are directly responsible.

In a broader sense, the patriarchy is indirectly responsible.

The patriarchy gives disproportionate power to men, but it is made of up men and women. It is the current form of society. Everyone contributes.

There are many reasons men have more blame. But they do not have all of it.

Men do not directly pass on the secrets of harassment to other men, out of sight of women. It is a problem that is owned by the entire patriarchy, and the entire patriarchy is owned by everyone.