Exactly. The slave trade ended in 1808. Most black families have been in the US since before then. They have been here before most white families got here. They were here certainly before the Asians moved here. The East Asians I talk to in all walks of life are rarely born from poor farmers in western/central China. They are usually from what would be considered the upper middle class in Asia.

Despite blacks having built this country, the foundation of the USA is that they be a nation enslaved within the nation. The constitution itself has their worth marked as 3/5ths a person. Look at the man choked to death in New York City accused of selling loose cigarettes. After which they couldn't even find any cigarettes on even. The grand jury lets the officer off. The Murdoch outlets, the Post and Fox News whip up a frenzied atmosphere telling blacks they must submit themselves and immediately follow police instructions at all times, or face death. This is not seen as a threat. I could say that the two black men killed by police meant that the lives of two policemen should be taken by the community in New York - which did happen. Despite the courts, despite the corporate media - two dead blacks meant two dead policemen. An eye was gouged out was met with an eye gouged out, and I could say this was just. Of course, that would be seen as a threat. People yelling on Fox News and in the Post, with the corpse still fresh that blacks must prostrate themselves before police or face death is not seen as a threat. Despite it all, rough justice did happen with the funerals of the two police officers.

Ycombinator was created by two criminals. Criminals in a sense that could not be considered rhetorical or hyperbolic. Both born to the white upper middle class, with connections to the US establishment. Went to the Ivy League schools mentioned here. Morris criminally crashed about 10% of the Internet. Investigations showed strong evidence Graham had foreknowledge of this happening, perhaps even aided it. What was their punishment? Graham nothing. Morris did not do a day in jail. His father was an upper middle class WASP, with, as the song says "high office relations in the government". While this was happening, the MoD hackers, referred to privately by a corporate security executive as "spics, niggers and white trash from New York" do see jail time - three see the inside of a jail. The judge points to ONE computer which crashed as why they need to as the judge put it, be made an example of. Of course, the reality is that whatever access they may have had to that computer, along with dozens of other people who had access, none of the three crashed the Learning Link computer. No judge wanted to make an example of Morris or Graham, computer geniuses made a mistake or whatever is how the US media and press played it out. If I recall correctly, the MoD headlines in the New York Times even mentioned the MoD were working class in the headlines.

It's an obvious historical case, massive destruction followed by Ivy League reward and founding a capital fund worth tens of billions, versus one crashed computer (which the accused did not crash) followed by working class men looking for work with criminal records. Different outcomes ordained at birth, before birth.

All hot air in a sense. Justice for me is working class justice, the justice of those of us who work, which is so alien to the liberal democracy and hegemony which springs from the current relations of production of capitalism, that it might as well be a different word. It comes only with the dialectic forward movement of history along with advancement of the means of production and subsequent relations of production - all of which we can see here, recently with the rise of mobile and the cloud. We see it with the coming rise, maybe, of VR/AR and Oculus, AI and Google self-driving cars, and so forth. The world has seen massive shifts in the forces of production and subsequent relations of production in the past 10,000 years - from the primitive communism of hunter gatherers, to Babylonian and Greek slave states, to feudal Europe, to our current capitalism under American helmsmanship. The exact next step can't be certain, but it has been noted that by some measures the largest economy in the world right now is the People's Republic of China, under the leadership of the standing committee of the Politburo of the central committee of the communist party of China. Formerly led by Mao Zedong, now led by communists who three decades ago were wearing Red Guard uniforms and smashing the four olds and hounding revisionists and capitalist roaders in Beijing and Shanghai before going down to the countryside to learn about the peasantry. Watching ISIS smash the Assyrian statues to bits a few days ago reminded me of the old red guard destruction of ancient statues of the Buddha actually. Actually both were smashing statue of the Buddha, weren't they? A better world is in it's birth, and thankfully it will not be led by the people here trying to figure out how to go from keeping blacks out of their schools mostly, to keeping them out completely.