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Ok, a language for engineers not for people that want to be truly expressive with the code they write. This is my impression when looking at the examples, they have something odd in the way the code looks like.

Now from the technical point of view, there are a few interesting points like the threading approach, but in general the language does not appear to provide great new ideas, nor to be a language where consolidated ideas are put together very elegantly.

It seems like that for system programming the "better C" that one could need is different than this, while for general programming what is really missing is something like Ruby and Python but made as fast as C and with low memory usage by mean of doing the right sacrifices to the language, but still retain most of the abstraction level.

Go is not as powerful as C++, not as high level as Java, not as raw as C for low level stuff. I don't like it.
I wonder why the term 'market efficiency' crops up over and over again in the discussions like this?

In 1986 Andy Lo and Craig MacKinlay performed a rigorous statistical test of Efficient Market Hypothesis and decisively rejected it, simultaneously supporting previous findings by Benoit Mandelbrot. Unlike Mandelbrot’s their work has been broadly discussed and accepted by the scientific community.
hmm, looks a bit like ubuntu remix ..
And how many times has the system worked as intended? Any system is going to have some false positive rate.

If the logo/image you mentioned was owned by someone else, then it should be removed. It's not bullying, it's their rights, whether you agree with that or not. And if they don't own it, then at worst the logo should have been offline for 10 days.

We don't have enough data to determine of the few false positives we hear make up a decent portion of the total notices sent. From my perspective (I receive notices almost daily), the false positive rate is close to negligible, and the system is working, for the most part, quite well.
Also reminds me of Seadragon from Microsoft Research.
This email happens to include your full name, address, and other contact information. And it also certifies under penalty of perjury that you are telling the truth.

If you don't believe that you can go to jail for 2-4 years in CA for committing perjury, google it. I'm not bullshitting you.

Perjury is a serious offense. Clinton was impeached for it.
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Plus, your edit resulted in two tweets from the newsbot - win!
Sorry, but it is very uncommon for Java to use 10-100x as much memory.

Those benchmarks are pretty irrelevant because all the algorithms in there are short-lived.

As far as I know CPython uses reference-counting for GC. And while this has definite advantages, this creates the potential for memory-leaks when using cyclic data structures. Also, the heap can get pretty fragmented, which for long-running processes can leave the heap looking like swiss cheese.

This doesn't happen with Java, but as a side effect a compacting GC usually allocates twice the heap size needed since it needs space to defragment the heap. The JVM's GC is also a Generational GC, separating generations in multiple regions, such that short-lived objects can be collected faster and newer objects can be allocated faster with speeds comparable to a stack allocation.

On Python, reference counting has the advantage of being cache-friendly and pretty deterministic. And when it comes to web servers that fork processes for requests, this is alleviated by the fact that the Python process has a short life.

On memory consumption, yes, Java might have the heap doubled, and the garbage collection is more non-deterministic. But it depends on your application ... the JVM ends up using memory a lot more efficiently for long-running processes, although the upfront cost is higher.
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I rather think that he's looking from another perspective. Using Delphi, speaking about speed, complex GUIs which need a visual designer (etc.) means that he is a desktop developer.
This right on the heels of Clo[js]ure ...

Hey, Google, you can't have all the good names, you know.
i read somewhere that one of the early machines that unix ran on, maybe one of the pdp series, had a five-character limit on function names, which was the reason for 'creat'. or maybe a five-character limit on filenames? i'm not able to google up any supporting evidence at the moment, so i'm open to refutations or support.
Sure. But he's spots the .Net problems (in his opinion) - not the C#'s
Neither C++ nor Java implement Hoare's CSP, or have any primitives fundamental enough to implement them in terms of.

Go is exactly what you're asking for in your third paragraph -- it seems you were blinded by the curly braces...
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Yep, that normally happens. In my case I did not know about Go! until I read about Go.
Allow me to respectfully disagree patio; attempting to define a name or a phrase is an excellent way to understand that which it describes.

Many times I sit up to write a retort to someone because I disagree with their terminology, their phrasing or even their thinking. But as I think deeper of the issue, and come up with a good answer, and researching my argument, looking up words, etc. I find myself coming up with a better understanding of the question. After that, it doesn't really matter whether I reply or not; my day has been improved tremendously with a small epiphany after some reflection.

Don't brush away abuses of language, use them to motivate you to understand the issues better.
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Yes CSP is a good abstraction that Go implements, but programming languages are not just a matter of features like call-cc, tail-calls, closures and so on. This are very important things, but it's not enough.
The fact that other stupidly over-valued companies over-value companies that make no money doesn't make things any better, it just builds a higher stack of cards.

At least in the case of the YouTube acquisition, Google had both a strategic goal (own the small company that's otherwise at risk of getting sued off the planet and leaving you as collateral damage) and a realistic expectation of revenue generation in the near future (via advertising, which is Google's business model and something it was already doing very successfully in other contexts).

I fail to see how anyone investing in Twitter benefits in either of those ways right now.
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"However, just as the Church eventually made accommodations after Copernicus and Galileo showed that the Earth was not the centre of the universe, and when it belatedly accepted the truth of Darwin's theory of evolution, Catholic leaders say that alien life can be aligned with the Bible’s teachings."

Well, colour me surprised! Anything that we will find in the future, no matter how much it will totally demolish the bibles teachings, will be (and shall be) aligned with the bibles teachings, it doesn't matter how contorted the alignment will be.

To not align with reality would be the end of the church, and since that would mean all these cats would have to get day jobs instead of picking peoples pockets you can bet that they will align.

The day the pontiff gets up, tells his following it was a sham all along and apologizes without reservation for all the past and present misdeeds, and then abdicates will be the day hell will - proverbially speaking - freeze over.
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Someone should support an e-mail service for the elderly. GMail (one of the simplest) is still too complicated.
> Any chance you could please ditch the brace requirement?

Wearing braces is optional. It's only the beards that are mandatory.
> Startups should be very risk averse. One misstep can mean death.

That contradicts a lot of sentiment on HN.

> And Microsoft can afford to take more risks than Facebook, etc.

Where is Microsoft making more risks than Facebook? They are quite conservative about the cash cows. Windows has a lot of complexity to maintain backwards compatibility going back decades, and that complexity has a very high cost when it comes to making a stable and secure product.
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I really think you are in the woods on this one. I think the comparison is particularly weak to the point that there isn't any comparison or that the comparison is so broad it could be applied to anyone and therefore isn't particularly applicable to Vidly.

Micro-Soft solved problems that nobody else was solving. And the problems they were solving where enormous. Vidly solves a small problem in a very narrow market. The two just don't add up, regardless of how broadly you want to paint it.

I'm curious if we're trolls because we have an opinion, or because we don't share yours? What would be the point of this community if nobody had an opinion? And regardless of the means by which these opinions are phrased, you might want to consider that a community of startup focused people whom are having an unfavorable reaction to a business idea really means. If HN is trolling an idea doesn't mean we are becoming techcrunch, it might mean there is something fundamental about the business idea that isn't jiving.
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The article wasn't just about bankers, but it seems some of them are no more fiscally responsible with their own money than they were with others'. Only after personally crashing and burning have some of them learned.

Makes me wonder what, if anything, the bailed-out banks learned...
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Thing is, newspapers are already taking a battering.

1) Sticking with the status quo is obviously changing their business for the worse.

2) No one in the entire world has solved the huge reducing revenue problem for content producers, so we can't say there is a better way for sure yet.

3) The web seems to have a short memory. It's all about now, not about then. If they change back, I don't see much changing for them.

I personally think that sticking everything behind a registration wall with no external indexing, while selling ads to go alongside their content should be a better model.

It's essentially what facebook does, and it seems to be working for them. Google is great for the user, but not for the content owner used to large revenues for said content.

Edit: Thinking about it, google really do "own" the worlds content; they monetize it for extremely little effort on their behalf. I love this, and so do you, but from a content producers point of view it's horrible. They used to be in control of distribution & now have to give a significant portion of the revenues they once had to a company who merely index the information, or others that make near-automated efforts to aggregate it. The only way they can possibly get back that revenue is to wall the garden.
so thats how typekit are going to make money ;)
Facebook is in the same space as Twitter, but is bigger than Twitter. Why does Twitter deserve more respect than Facebook?

Twitter is entirely unproven. It's a big mystery what Twitter's actual user engagement numbers are, so nobody really knows how sticky the site is. How do you know Twitter's approach is working? It seems entirely too premature to say.

Honestly to me it seems like either Twitter's user engagement numbers are really bad, which is why Twitter doesn't talk about them, or Twitter's analytics are so poor that they don't know how their users behave, which doesn't really reflect well on them either.
you seem to be contradicting yourself here fella. Just because the ideas are old ideas, it doesn't make them any less idea-like. Nirvana is great idea and great execution surely?
That's not what their search engine tell me.
I've always thought we should move the nation's capital every 25 years or so. Just think of how it would help Detroit if the capital were moved there. You can just feel the giant wave of lobbying and consulting companies moving into Detroit and Southern Ontario.

Just a thought :)
A lot of people never learn it in the first place.
However I'd say he's directly responsible for the misery the most PHP development now is.

If he actually spent time reading about languages and designing his own, he would throw in function namespacing and function naming conventions and a good built-in abstraction for database access (with a strong bias against SQL injections and towards placeholders/variable binding from the day one), PHP would come out an okayish language and not an universal hate target.

There are some other blunders that he could just not make. And I'm not even dreaming about template system that makes sense now.

He didn't! Who the hell could do that if he wasn't going.
I think this is great but again ill be waiting for them to allow comments in the retweets. For now I may just be quoting instead of retweeting.
I don't understand how they can block a site this big and this heavily trafficked without even making an attempt to contact anyone.
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Thanks for the support Hacker News :)
Altair had a business model figured out. Twitter do not. They've sacrificed most of the potential business models in favor of growth. A massive gamble IMHO.

Microsoft and Dell had a business model. They sold stuff.

Vidly also have a number of free competitors, Microsoft did not at the time.

Maybe they have far bigger plans than just "HD video for twitter". If so, it'd be good to know, and if they turn out to be cool, then great - I'll be first to congratulate them :)

>> "you're like someone making fun of Dell when it was just Michael Dell assembling computers"

Again, the comparison isn't good IMHO. People pay money to purchase computers. There's an obvious business model there.

People currently don't pay to upload videos. The potential business model is far harder to see. Couple that with making it "for twitter!" and for me, it looks like a bubble - startups funded to make features to be acquired by another startup. Endless cycle of investor money being pumped in until something explodes.

Again, FWIW I wasn't making fun of. But IMHO vidly should rise above the "We're X for twitter". Hopefully they will.
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Greetings,

I submitted this item ...

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=934213

but this morning I realised I'd done so at nearly midnight London time, so by the time people in or near London looked at HN again there was every chance it had fallen out of sight.

This is the last time I'll submit it. Feel free to flag that one or this one if you feel I've crossed an ethics boundary.

I'm giving talks in Oxford on the evening of the 17th, then London on the afternoon of the 18th at 15:00 at the Institute of Education. I do have an appointment in the morning, but would expect to be able to have lunch in London on the 18th.

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As someone else a long way from Silicon Valley, I almost always vote these things up out of solidarity:-)
One is called Go, the other Go!. I don't see the problem (C, C++, C#...) - it is common for programing languages to just differ by one letter in their name.
I'm not saying the Vidly guys are not going to be successful at all. I'm just skeptical that "HD video for twitter" is a good idea, or a profitable one (Unless twitter aquire to pump the bubble some more).

I'm sure they'll likely iterate on the idea, but I think feedback is always useful. I really don't see how you can claim it's "trolling" to give feedback on an idea. That's what makes HN useful IMHO.

If we want "That's nice dear, what a great idea" we go to our parents... surely?
As a dropbog alternative, I use Live Mesh from MSFT - 5GB storage and possibility to sync more folders.

Regarding the Google offer: It seems to me that the storage can be (currently) used only for photos (picasaweb) and gmail. It doesn't look bad, but I would still prefer to pay price for bandwidth per year. If I have to use this as a backup for all my photos in original res., 20GB is not enough, so the Flickr's unlimited storage for $25 still looks better.

For me, the OK price would be $5-$10 per 20GB upload bandwidth/year.
Maybe this incident could lead to better recognition of the term "Go!" after all.
Of course they could.

But they'd have to want to be in that market and then to provide a better UI and functionality set than the existing system.

And would they make enough money off of it to be worth investing their time in? Probably not.
And yet the argument here in favour of Django is that not as much is hidden from the user... which may cause some users to lose focus as you put it.

I find this this statement hypocritical.
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I listen to podcasts and I hear someone mention how their buddy had started company A and their ex-roomate was going will with startup B etc etc I think "gee, maybe I'm missing out here. :)
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The latter gives: "Error establishing a database connection"
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Maybe if people who spent time knowing a lot about good language design spent some time making their languages practical, we wouldn't be in this situation either;-)
Thanks. I guess that means it'll be ready for mass adoptions in five years or so?
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Except that ! is silent, unlike ++ and #.
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For my doctorate I did everything in CSP and Occam, so it's wonderful to see the channel communication methods defined for this language.

http://golang.org/doc/go_mem.html

If you do things via synchronized channel communication then it eliminates (mostly) the need to spend all your time with mutexes and the like because the channel sync does that work for you. At the beginning it'll probably take people time to get there heads around it, but my recollection was that it was a game changer once you understood how the synchronization worked.
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Let's please not ditch the brace requirement.
I'm guessing that a lot of the European explorers did die from disease, but if 75 out of 200 Conquistadors died from Cholera, Amoebic dysentary, Yellow Fever, etc... It probably had much lesser impact on them than 300,000 out of 100,000 people in an Aztec or Inca city dying from Small Pox.
I don't use Twitter, I think it's a useless fad. But for real-time news, it's hard to argue that it isn't better than Google. It's not perfect, but looking at the trending hashtags tells you something Google can't.
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Between this thread and the Dustin Curtis mob lyching, I think the larger problem is that of tone, and not of content.

It's fine to provide constructive criticism, but these threads are not constructive. They're wholesale character assassination and haughty dismissal of entire business strategies.
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Joking aside, I think it's doomed. Most cities transitioned from a single industry over generations. You can't force that now. It's too late and too expensive. Plus it's cold. I used to live in Boston, lovely city, but it's so much cheaper in the south without heating costs.
it does seem faintly absurd that he's pushing satori whilst citing examples of the pursuit of boats and hoes.
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