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The quickest way to get this resolved is to make it a PR issue for Google.

One suggestion: "It has been widely rumored that Google is developing GDrive, a cloud based file hosting service. Today, Google has blocked Dropbox, a cloud based file hosting service which would compete with GDrive, from appearing in its index. Is it fair that Google can unilaterally cause its competitors to essentially disappear from the Internet, without possibility of appeal, for reasons known only to them?"
It's strictness for applicative precedence, as ($) is the least of the operators, like a greedy open-paren.
Maybe it's because they're looking for an employee and not another co-founder?

http://steveblank.com/2009/04/07/the-good-student/
No need to get nasty. If you have a case, just make it.
This new programming language from Google is quite a buzz on the web now. To be honest, I always got excited about tools that promised to speed-up and simplify development. But most of the time, those trendy tools are just even more time wasters. One language I find to be [almost] ideal is Scala. I believe that Scala will replace Java. Also, writing code for JVM gives you a huge advantage - you can create OSGi bundles. IMO, OSGi framework is the most mature module system. So I think that there's nothing good about this language except that it's created by Google.
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The problem is, video cables need to handle the worst case scenario and the worst case is a full refresh. Consider full motion video, whenever there's a jumpcut, nearly every pixel changes. There's no way to compress that data down without loss of fidelity.

I question how necessary all this is. Display resolutions have stagnated while cable bandwidth has followed Moore's law. Until we get past the dpi impasse and start producing true high res screens, we can afford to just keep on upgrading cables occasionally.
On the one hand, it's kind of hard to claim two letters.

On the other hand, Rob, Ken, et. al. really could have done a little Googling around before they chose to name their language after an existing language, no matter how obscure.

It strikes me as a little bit evil not to capitulate, particularly if the motivation not to do so is "this would really hurt our project so screw off little math guy" as opposed to "we think we are right and this name is fair game."

If the Google team thinks this is a non-issue, I'd like to hear some logic.
You are arguing for a make-work equivalent of dole queues.
You certainly sound like a lawyer, but your profile says you are not.

Why do you think there are no legal ramifications? Same name, same domain... you'd have to be a lawyer to really know if there was a case to be made, right?
Twitter is often held up as a darling of startups, but they don't act very startup-like. They move very very slowly and seem very risk averse.

Twitter is extremely startup-like in one critical respect: their attention to how the community is using their product. That's how they became huge. It's the fact that they became huge by focusing on this while others who happened upon the same space did not do this, and thus did not become huge, that wins them respect in the startup realm. Much of what you call their risk-averseness comes from this desire to follow rather than force their users. It's a lesson many of us would do well to learn and, I suspect, one of those things that is far deeper than appears on first sight.
I had a friend who was worried about the overhead of interfaces (are methods called by hash lookup on name or by something like a vtbl?), so I compiled a simple example program to test how dynamic dispatch works: http://scott.wolchok.org/vtbl.go

The binary is at http://scott.wolchok.org/6.out . If you search for deadbeef, you'll find a sequence of instructions ending in an indirect jump, so it is decidedly not some kind of string comparison.

The function in the compiler that generates calls through interfaces seems to be cgen_callinter in go/src/{6,8}g/ggen.c, but I can't decipher the terse code therein. Would be interested to learn more about Go method dispatch, especially as regards to dynamic linking -- does Go have it? What if I create a new interface that encompasses objects in a library built before I created that interface? Do I have to rebuild the library?
Valid point and it crossed my mind too, however Google's systems are aware of domain shifts (I assume the Dropbox folks filed a domain change) and it should know about its 'transferred' positive rap.

If the block is solely based on malware distribution then Facebook would have suffered the same fait ages ago.

Amisdst all the data Google stores it should be clear that Dropbox isn't a random site freely dropping malware around the web.

If it can't figure it out then a good old fashioned human should.
I don't know if it's useful but I noticed that in two out of their four job postings (Senior Systems Engineer and Web Engineer) the "top-tier" degree requirement is not listed.
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Sites are automatically flagged when malware is detected. Dropbox may be serving malware without knowing it. This page has instructions about how to request a malware review:
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Agreed. User base in a internet facing app means something when users visit the site to interact. Twitter is such an open platform for communication (like email, sms, and hell, even the web) that monetizing it as a service seems impossible.

I would venture to guess that based on revenue Tweetie is more valuable that Twitter itself. Myspace, Youtube, Facebook, they all have pageviews.

Twitter was founded as an SMS service and won't ever be able to fully monetize the platform unless they close the API (which they won't).
Google should change the name from "Go" to "Goo". Problem solved...
I think both of them were jokes. Was yours one too?
Image replacement is a huge pain in the ass. SIFR will get less compatible as time goes on, not more (already, I lose SIFR fonts because of ClickToFlash, and multiple bigcorps are moving to ban flash on corp desktops).

I think what you're paying for is convenience.
I suppose then that I would be a good candidate for the next CEO of Apple given that I dropped out of the same school as Steve Jobs.
not quite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goo_(programming_language)
It'd probably be ad principatum.

(-em is the accusative of hominis, the stem of which is "homin").
It can never be deprecated only banned (i.e if twitter doesn't accept tweets with "RT" in them)
I'm pretty sure this is the issue. Google wouldn't know to treat Dropbox "special" just because they switched domains. "dropbox.com" hasn't been around long enough in its current incarnation for it to be "clear that [it] isn't a random site freely dropping malware around the web."

See: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=934704
It's interesting that everyone commenting so far has picked up on the auto-documentation issue.

The main value of these tools, IMHO, is in their ability to present a high-level overview of the code and support drilling down to find the relevant parts for the task at hand, not as a substitute for just reading comments in the code once you've found it. In fact, one of the worst aspects of many auto-documentation tools is the way they obfuscate comments that would otherwise have been written in plain text. Seriously, Javadoc, why do I have to write a <p> between each paragraph just so you can lay the comments out properly in HTML?

To improve the scannability of auto-generated documentation, top of my wish list would be an "important" flag you could put on the key types, functions, etc. Existing tools typically have no sense of priority in the way that a human writer would, giving equal weight to the top-level function that implements an important algorithm and each of a dozen trivial utility functions. Then you wind up with dozens of mostly irrelevant details obscuring the few key points of interest.

The other thing I really wish they'd support is much better grouping of related information. If a bunch of functions and types would naturally be of interest at the same time, then they should be listed together or otherwise associated in the documentation. Most auto-documentation tools suck at this, and even those that provide some facilities to do it tend to fall into the obfuscation trap I mentioned earlier.
I used to see Rasmus around Y! a lot when I was roaming the halls there. He always seemed insightful and down to earth despite being quite well known. I'll be interested to see what he ends up doing next.
or they could call it 'gone'

i think this is an interesting submission, but the title is not very hacker news-ish. "Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or adding a parenthetical remark saying how great an article is."

http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

(this is at least the fourth or fifth time i'm calling somebody on a title in as many weeks. i'm not crazy about being the news.yc scold. but every one of those titles did indeed get changed to something more neutral by the submitter or the editors, so i think i'm within community guidelines here.)
It's not surprising that there would be namespace collisions given the thousands of programming languages there are out there and the limited number of "cool" names available. I suspect someone at Google could have merely consulted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages and decided that "Go" was free.

That said, I still find it inexcusable that Adobe's over-the-top PR machine has stolen the name "flex" from a well-known open-source lexer generator... mumble mumble....
I agree, and almost flagged it for the "OOHHHH SNAP". I wish there was a 'flag/review headline only' option.
I don't know if association with 'goto' is the best idea for a programming language.

I like 'Stop'. They could call their tutorial 'Stop Programming!'
They can just keep adding O's until they have something unique (;
"io language" or "io programming language" work just fine. Of course I don't know what I'm missing, but I assume everyone who writes about Io uses one of these words in their text.
Do they have a business model that is proven to make any money yet? No?

Then that is how much they are worth.

Failing to grasp this simple idea is why large chunks of the world economy have tried to collapse twice in the past decade or so.

Anything beyond this isn't a valuation, it's a gamble. A few gamblers do win big, but most of them lose money in the long run.
They should call it GooGo
Google is well-aware that doing business on an Internet scale means you start clocking measurable economic losses immediately when the site goes down, and for all intents and purposes Google has just handed Dropbox a service interruption because Google far and away the most powerful entity on the Internet. I can't even bring Dropbox up in my browser by typing in their domain name, to say nothing of the majority of Internet users who use Google as their primary means of navigation.

If it were my business that was down, I'd go for the PR route before asking for a review, because you know what? Google sucks at putting a human in the loop. They hate it. It costs money and doesn't scale to the entire Internet.

When I type stuff into forms at Google, I expect to hear back around a week later on those occassions when they actually get back to me, and I pay Google thousands of dollars to provide the service I'm asking about. One would hope I'm getting the good customer experience compared to some anonymous malware distributor saying they've reformed their ways.

(Less you think I'm joking: Google for [reinclusion request] to see what Google's suggested timeline is for reinclusion in their index if you are bounced out for SEO practices they don't approve of. Hint: think months, not minutes.]

In the amusing-to-contemplate-fantasy-world where there was any entity as powerful as Google on the Internet, and that entity blocked access to 60% of Google users for distributing malware (well, it is highly likely that Google is a contributing factor to more malware infections than anyone else on earth -- see "owns navigation on the Internet"), I highly doubt that Larry would ask Sergey to write something into a web form somewhere and then, you know, wait until somebody got around to addressing it.
I've always been skeptical of Retweeting. As the article mentions, it's responsible for diluting the quality of your news stream. Any value-add from the sentiment of a Retweet is offset by the sheer noise-to-signal ratio and redundancy from repetition.

The new feature is a step forward. It seems that it formalizes the Retweet syntax into, what is essentially, a vote for a Tweet. This is primarily what Retweeting has come to mean anyway.

I hope this encourages more original content on Twitter.
Nice name for a language, I also like their home page http://people.csail.mit.edu/jrb/goo/
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Oh come on. You're not 'paying money' because a bitmap is rendered in part of an html page. Get over yourself.
it allows module names with spaces/other special characters, for two.
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Cool!

Once I had written some javascript to encrypt/decrypt mails between me and my girlfriend...

Brandon, Andre and Sharon might get a lot of spam soon, they should avoid email addresses as plaintext in the source.

Just an advice.
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I dunno, I've heard of some pretty popular languages that only have one letter in the name.
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Oh. I have nothing to do with Hordes of Orcs. I thought you were talking about my own app. I had the same issue with that game. You can still close it by clicking "later" or whatever, it just doesn't seem to be attached to anything with a dock icon.
This discussion reminds of the time we interviewed a senior in the EECS undergraduate program at Cal (who had a 3.9 GPA). To quote directly from the interview:

Interviewer: So, what was your favorite course?
Interviewee: Oh.. probably Data Structures.
Interviewer: Ok, great. Let's start with a question about that. What's the running time of a hash table lookup?
Interviewee: Oh.. uh... <stares blankly>

The rest of the interview continued along those lines. By contrast, another guy we interviewed who had earned his CS degree at Oregon State was a brilliant programmer.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adropbox.com&ie=utf...

shows 71 pages indexed

http://www.google.com/search?q=dropbox.com&ie=utf-8&...

has 1.7 million mentions

It works fine for me...

When you switch domains the history of the new domain is somewhat important and how you go about switching is pretty important too if you want to keep your google traffic.
> I think what you're paying for is convenience.

Not really.

Convenience would be paying for a font and then using it on my web site, just the way I do with photos, icons, and other such resources.

Convenience is not jumping through hoops to integrate with an external service of unknown reliability, understanding non-trivial legal agreements with an industry infamous for trying to screw its legitimate customers, and paying more in a single year for font-as-a-service than I pay for permanent use of a font today just so I can legally use the font on a web site in plain text form instead of via images.

Incidentally, I notice that have mentioned elsewhere in this discussion that image replacement technologies are likely to violate the licensing terms of fonts. As far as I'm aware, there haven't been any significant test cases yet in this area in any major western jurisdictions, and the legalities are far from clear, because the font foundries can only protect their rights up to the extent that copyright law grants them. Copyright law incorporates concepts such as fair use (or your local equivalent). Moreover, in some jurisdictions, the design of a font is not subject to copyright at all, only the specific description (the font files being treated as software for this purpose). Even if the font foundries would like to limit your right to buy a font, put it on a server, and have the server generate renderings of specific text in that font, it's not entirely clear what their legal basis for doing so might be in unfavourable jurisdictions, including the US.
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But then what's the point of the change of address tool in Google Webmaster Tools?

Screenshot: http://bit.ly/4xZpA8
though couldn't any of the file storage places have the same issue (mosso, s3, etc)?

They aren't free and anonymous, are they? The free and anonymous part tends to be important to malware distributors. Exploiting existing servers is one way, but free sites are also used quite heavily.
Could it have something to do with allowing unicode in the source?
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They should have google this name before choosing it.

This is a classic case of barefoot shoemaker.
You know, I take it back.

If C# is fair on top of C, then Go ought to be fair on top of Go!

Well-played :)

I guess I just wonder now why he added the bang at all.
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This is certainly having a positive effect for Mccabe, free publicity. I had never heard of his Go! language... til now.
> You make it sound as if the policy makers are talented engineers who made the design decision because it was the best compromise on how to deal with the various trade-offs. That's simply not the case.

Indeed; what policy-makers are optimising for is getting themselves re-elected, not helping the economy.

> give every American over 21 a check for $10k a year. For people without a job, give a guaranteed government job for $6 an hour.

Eminently sensible proposals. The first would be a vote loser because lots of stupid voters would say "but that means giving it to the rich, who don't need it". The second would be resisted by LOSV who would say "but that's socialism!!! it's eeeeeeeeeevil!".
I'd never heard of OS9 until they got stuck into Apple for releasing Mac OS 9 and commonly referring to it as "OS 9". And I haven't heard of OS9 since, either.
Possibly even Gle pronounced "Go"?
Or Gle.
Where comes the imperative that Google ought to always consider using Python for new projects? Or more Python in general?

They already contribute to Python and apparently use it in production, too, but I don't see that translating to the above.
I think lango would be a great name and I am hereby to give away to google any
copyrights for the name.
And if there's ever a framework they can call it dlango.
In the heavy weights league, there was no silly-slapping or hair pulling between Rob Pike and Luca Cardelli vs Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls over "Squeak":

http://lucacardelli.name/Papers/Squeak.pdf [A New Jersey approach to the GUI, 1985]

vs

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=263754&coll=portal... [Smalltalk dialect, 1997]

Their stated goals are identical, each more identical than the other.
Obviously it is for this purpose, but the fact that it exists doesn't mean it was used properly in this case or that their change notice was updated in a timely fashion.
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Looks like they're working with Google to get it resolved:
http://twitter.com/Dropbox/status/5610900563

Update: They warnings are gone.
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May I ask you? What do you mean by improved C language? Safe pointers? I think this is the biggest advantage of C.. Of course, it can(and occasionally it will) become a trouble at some point, but you won't get that much flexibility and portability in any other language. Not trying to say that this is a bad idea to create a new language or anything, but I just don't see how this language will make my life better..

P.S. No offense, but it's amazing how some people are such Google fans.
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They should have google this name before choosing it.

Try a google search for "go" and let us know if you find anything relevant.
You think you have "copyright" of it because you just typed the word?
Google isn't allowed to use the name 'gmail' in germany because someone owned the trademark 'g-mail ... und die post geht richtig ab' (or something similar). So the big guy doesnt always win and an exclamation mark doesnt make a difference.
So if you feel like it, go for it. You might win. (I don't know if the word go is to common to count as a trademark, though).
Found in Page 2. It perhaps it was on Page 1 before Google released 'Go'.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=programming+languag...
One of the papers on it is still at the top of the second page of Google search results for "go programming language" as I write this, despite the huge numbers of new pages about Google's on offering.
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No macros is pretty annoying, but note the package go/ast and go/parser; they include in the standard library a parser for the language, which should make writing tools operating on Go significantly easier.
Who edited out the "OOHHH SNAP!" from my title? ಠ_ಠ
Some of the style reminds me of Alef from Plan 9; in particular the communication channels, but also a fair chunk of the syntax.