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>If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did.

http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>But I am sick of people selling/advertising drugs on HN.

This comes up all of the time in these types of threads, which have been less common since that surge of legalize cannabis threads. Please move along, your complaints are uninteresting, counterproductive, and off-topic for this thread. The OP didn't ask if you think this is a good conversation topic for Hacker News.

The "not Hacker News" meme is the most uninteresting thing here and it ruins many otherwise good threads which is why it is discouraged in the guidelines. This story isn't even on the front page. All you needed to do was flag it and move along.

I am not going to argue with you because this argument has already been beat into the ground thoroughly in the cognitive enhancement threads. Suffice to say, the minority of people that agree with you consistently lose the argument. Discussion of drugs on Hacker News is not inherently off-topic. And yes, I sell legal drugs, just like the health food store the OP refers to. You probably sell software. We're allowed to sell things on Hacker News. If you have a business and you're a member of Hacker News in good standing, it is completely accepted to discuss or promote your business here, whether it is a software business or not.
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Yes, I'd sign up almost immediately.
The New York Times and other media companies are filters. They pick the stories that go on their front page, they decide where to dedicate news-gathering resources, they have an editorial voice...
If I had a free thinker award to give, I'd give you one. It's amazing how otherwise "open minded" people seem to fall prey to the dogmas of organic/all-natural/no-additives/USDA-approved/recycled-packaging marketing.

But seriously people, how many lives does genetically engineered rice have to save before you admit that "all natural" sometimes means "inferior", and "artificial" is sometimes "good". You know what's 100% organic? Malaria. And there's little more artificial than the chemical-soaked neon bednets saving millions of lives across Africa.
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I prefer the taste of conventionally grown produce. It is difficult to measure taste, but I haven't seen any blind taste tests resulting in a clear winner either way.

The only convincing argument I have seen in favor of organic food is the environmental argument. I have to balance that against my belief that for every acre of organic crop grown, somebody somewhere is going to sleep hungry.

I realize, however, that any scientific or quantitative argument for or against organic food is irrelevant. Organic food tells a story that many people want to be a part of, and it will continue to grow in popularity.
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A comment of stark idiocy.

Not sure how your mind conjured that up.
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any scientific or quantitative argument [...] is irrelevant

A sign of the dark ages, and the death of the enlightenment. No, I don't imagine we'll burn witches at the stake, but my wife and daughter can't eat half their favorite foods when we visit some relatives' homes (for fear of really upsetting people), precisely because of nutritional dogma.
I like the artistic style, but as a image to explain something technical... that diagram is simply terrible.
We still don't understand enough about food to say...

Here here! The notion that we pretty much understand what's going on with food, digestion, and metabolism is as widespread as it is harmful. We have only scratched the surface.

I remember seeing a diagram of human metabolism during a talk. It was huge and messy! Spaghetti-coded-Rube-Goldberg-intertwined-messy! And it's only a diagram of what we do understand -- there's even more in there! Biology at the cellular and molecular level was not "designed" to be understood by a human intelligence.
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"Please move along,your complaints are uninteresting and counterproductive."

says the drug seller.

"The OP didn't ask if you think this is a good conversation topic for Hacker News."

He doesn't need to. I don't care what either the OP or you think of selling/soliciting drugs on HN. I see it, I flag it.

" And yes, I sell legal drugs, just like the health food store the OP refers to. "

When the health food sells health food on HN (and any entity selling anything legal can post advertising posts on HN) and it is an accepted and encouraged practice, then you have a point.

"We're allowed to sell things on Hacker News. If you have a business and you're a member of Hacker News, it is completely accepted to discuss or promote your business here, whether it is a software business or not."

By this logic, anyone with any kind of business could join HN and have a forum to sell his product, and still be within the spirit of HN.

I see it as abusing a trust when you sell drugs here. Let the moderators decide this one.

I don't enjoy "arguing" with you either. I saw someone selling drugs. I flagged it. The moderators will ignore the flag or confirm it. That's ok by me.
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It sounds like you're commenting on what REST is without ever having read Roy's dissertation. You can fix that, you know.
That's a ridiculous argument.

You could distribute Big Macs to the starving masses and credit McDonalds with saving millions of lives, but that wouldn't make it recommended eating for those of us with access to alternatives.
Branding has shown to make things more tasty regardless of the actual food. How do you know you aren't just paying for the luxury of eating a familiar "all natural" brand?
> I'm a woman, and I didn't find this patronizing or sexist, unlike some of the commenters on both the post comments and here.

I think his wife complained (in the comments) that she thought it made her sound stupid. Otherwise I agree, and I look forward to reading your post about marketing.
I suspect you were down modded for making a snide comment.

I for one down-modded you for obnoxiously whining about being down-modded, something which I'm quite sick of.
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What was inaccurate about my statement?
"How much CO2 was generated in making the new cars? How much CO2 will be generated in making the new cars to replace the ,now empty, dealer lots?"

Nitpick: You're counting those emissions twice.

You can count the CO₂ emissions either when the car is sold ("how much was generated in making the new cars") or when the car is manufactured ("how much CO2 will be generated in making [their replacements for the lot]"), but not both!

If it isn't clear why, consider that in the future, those replacement cars will be sold. Since you've already counted the CO₂ to make them, you clearly can't count it again on sale.
How is it that saying what goes into our food must be going into our bodies Means we aren't thinking straight? Don't forget there was a period when cigarettes were seen as ok for you too.
I don't mean to be lame in posting a commercial, (btw I do not have any affiliation with this company) but I saw this demo and believing it to be real, was thoroughly impressed.

I can't imagine this is a simple problem to solve. Does it have tactile sensors? or just sound?
That's probably an appropriate use of kava. I wouldn't get kava tea in teabags, it probably isn't very strong. Look for instant drink mix, extract, or tincture.

Kava's effects are like a mild benzodiazepine. It's a relaxing, mild sedative. Erowid is the authoritative source for the effects of these kinds of things, though most of the people there are probably doing higher doses than you want to do while coding. http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Kava.shtml
It isn't an argument - note my use of the word "sometimes". It's a counter-example to the dogma of organic == good, artificial == evil. The burden of proof that a BigMac would be healthier if it were made from "all natural" ingredients. So, show us one study which shows people who only consume "organic" food to be healthier than those who eat genetically engineered food. You simply won't find it.

For a more concrete argument, let me point you to The China Study [1], which gives more evidence for vegetarianism being related to good health than the "organic" lobby could ever dream of for "organic food". If people really cared about their health, they'd be vegetarian.

Organic food has a lot more to do with identity marketing (like BMW and A&F) than it does real nutrition.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study
That is an excellent explanation of a truly surprising vulnerability, but I'm pretty sure that was a different local-root Linux kernel null-pointer bug, one discovered a month earlier.
Yes, and it always has been. There's nothing new under the sun, etc... etc... At least not when it comes to things as easily explored as form.
It looks like "the SELinux treatment for those" is to disable SELinux?
Why not? English has been nouning verbs and verbing nouns for centuries. Grammar Nazis, logout! :-)
I don't think the original commenter was thinking along these dogmatic lines. I think he's coming from the direction that there's a lot that we don't know about food, and how our metabolism works. Sometimes, it's best to leave well enough alone, until we understand more.

As for hybrid rice, yes, it saved lots of lives. But many argue that there were negative side effects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Revolution

Here's a story that predates the Green Revolution. I think it might be illuminating.

A long time ago in China, there was a public official named Confucius. (Yes, that Confucius.) For the betterment of his nation, he engaged in a huge campaign to popularize the eating of polished (white) rice. He did this because white rice is much easier to store for longer periods, and more conducive to warehousing and other logistical activities. Thus did Confucius greatly reduce the incidence of famine in his country. However, in the following years, there was an epidemic of beri-beri in China.

Human beings didn't discover vitamin B1 until the late 1800s.
Someone once wrote art is "that which makes us better". I think that applies here. :)
I used to play World of Kung Fu but quit at level 26.

These things are amazing time sinks and life-eaters.
I hear this argument constantly. No, it's not the best model of the world, but models rarely describe the real world 100%. Instead of trotting out the same old claim that the world is non-Gaussian over and over again, how about you provide some original thought to the subject or at least accept that some of the models in current use are the best we can do with at this time?
Yes that's the problem: emotional investment in their own code. But still the idea of open source is that everyone is free to use everything so that if someone sees something done better they can incorporate it into their own project right? They don't have to copy and paste stuff, but they can take the concept, idea, etc. If they don't and can't get over their investment, then they are doomed to failure eventually because those who do take the best stuff out there and build on top of it will have a technical advantage.

So Firefox and safari are publicly contributed to, but they have different engines. Engines are probably the most difficult part of the browser right? It's essentially the definition of the browser. Well let's say the V8 engine is superior and Firefox and safari don't adopt it. Well they're operating not much too different from a proprietary source. Open source and commercial will both be invested in their products, the difference is that open source can pull from each other, and they should. So if V8 requires major code changes why not? And if Mozilla thinks it can improve it then they can fork it. But Mozilla probably won't do that. You're right most people are invested in their projects and so what happens in the open source world is that brand new projects get started instead, but I'm just saying it also makes sense to ditch when you known you've been beaten just because you can.
Yes but for some reason millions of people, myself included, are obsessed by it.

It is a very interesting triumph of hype.
At the moment, generally you use GET and ask for a different Content-Type with an Accept header, or you say something like <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" href="foo.xml" />. In some cases you're expected to guess the alternate URL instead, maybe based on a document somewhere else, which is non-RESTian. However, it's pretty rare for someone to do what you suggest, which is to use new HTTP verbs in order to get different representations.
Infant mortality rates are not a fair metric for comparison because the point of viability is significantly earlier in the US that in most other countries in the world.

People may not know what this means so I'll spell it out for you: a baby born three months premature to a drug-addled mother is very unlikely to survive. In the U.S., that baby will be treated and damn the cost. In most other countries, that baby will be scored as a miscarriage (i.e. not the hospital's fault) if it dies. It receives care accordingly.

You know the saying "We only improve what we measure?" Many countries do not measure the healthcare of severely premature infants.

This is a good thing to keep in mind the next time you hear about "rationing", because this difference is the rationing that dare not speak its name. After all, if they're not acknowledged to be human quite yet, then if you withhold care to them it isn't rationing.
Have you read Roy's dissertation?
This argument doesn't play... All investments have similar if not equal concerns: is your current investor going to re-invest? Might potential rivals instead collude in their offer?
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A sign of the dark ages, and the death of the enlightenment

Relax, man! He's just talking about the realities of marketing.

For many, it's not so much Organic/Natural vs. big-bad industry/science. A lot of the organic and/or local stuff is fresher and tastes better. Not all of it will be, though. But if someone can make some money convincing people that it is, then someone will. That's just the market.

Actually, I think people should go by taste. We have only a partial understanding of food and our metabolism, but we've probably evolved very keen ways of determining what food is good for us. The only conscious attention we probably need has to do with moderation. (Otherwise, I'd eat a box of ice cream sandwiches every day!)
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There's a metafilter thread about this here:

http://www.metafilter.com/83702/Cuz-Im-freefree-rangin
You guys realize Europe has all kinds of laws against large retailers and in favor of mom & pop shops, right? This is basically about the inefficient "shopkeeper lobby" that makes it difficult to buy various things outside of weekday business hours.

Small businesses are not inherently better than large businesses. In general, employees of large businesses make more money. Larger firms tend to be more economically efficient.

I am not at all surprised that Europe has more [antiquated] small businesses. I'm a bit surprised someone is trying to present this as a boasting point.
When reading his intro to HTTP, I kept thinking of what Clay Shirky said,

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Read further if you're not familiar with this quote:

http://www.shirky.com/writings/evolve.html
Living in a society with rising cancer rates and given the choice between food bathed in possibily carcinogenic pesticides and food that isn't, curiously enough I'll choose the food without the pesticides.
Informative example, but metaphor != empirical evidence. Why not claim that USDA approved organic food is the "white rice" of our times?
All food is organic because it contains molecular carbon. Only exceptions might be salt which is composed of inorganic NaCl. Even sea salt is inorganic it's just got a lot impurities in it like Radioactive Uranium and Radioactive Radium. Radioactive Radium is even more toxic than radioactive Plutonium. Other than that though, it's really good stuff.
Apples oranges. Compare Czech republic to the Minneapolis metro. I don't actually know the numbers, but I bet Czech republic loses.

These low immigration, long industrialized European nations are NOT comparable to the US as a whole. Huge swathes of the US were borderline feudal agriculture all of 80 years ago. The populations are very different and it has nothing to do with health care.
If by "here" you mean on HN, use this link from the footer:

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How is it that saying what goes into our food must be going into our bodies Means we aren't thinking straight?

Because that would be a gross oversimplification of "food" and "bodies". Many drugs have a narrow therapeutic index, meaning the difference between "save your life" and "kill you" is a small matter of dosage. How do you explain that using "what going into your body must be [good|evil]".
If I take $100K from an angel no one is going to wonder why the angel isn't putting in $2Mil in the next round - angels just don't handle deals that big.

If I take $100K from a VC and that VC opts not to put in another $2Mil, everyone will wonder what the VC saw that made them not want to invest.
I am quite sorry. I had no idea this would be an issue. I was recommended from a fellow coder to try kava tea to relax and focus and did not realize it might be an issue. The reason I was asking here is because I wanted to see if any of the other HN members have tried it and was not aware that it would be considered a "drug". I simply thought it was like any other herbal tea. I would have deleted the post but it is too late. My apologies...
If you avoid everything "possibly carcinogenic", or even everything "certainly carcinogenic", you'll have a very long and boring life.
How long will the application be open? (This might sound like a redundant question but I was going to ask some friends to apply that I can't contact immediately)
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I read it and was surprised at how readable I found it (never mind being a dissertation).

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/pubs/dissertation/top.htm

What is also really good is Richardson and Ruby's "RESTful Web Services" book. They coined the term "Resource Oriented Architecture" to describe a specific REST design implementation and to side-step a religious war on what is and is not REST.
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You said: "REST offers conventions that make it easy to guess the URL of what you are looking for, just as you would guess where to click/navigate to get it."

In your earlier comment it does seem as though you are talking about guessing the URL.

What the other comment was alluding to with "Hypertext. As. The. Engine. Of. Application. State." (or HATEOAS, one of the main principles of REST) is that your application should never have to guess a URL. The possible URLs your application can next GET/POST/PUT/DELETE to should be given in the response to the last action it took.

There is nothing in the original description of REST that says anything about URLs being human readable. That's a pleasant side-effect of a sensible design but isn't the main aim.

As the original post describes, the importance of REST is to make simpler for machines (not humans) to manipulate services on the web.

You should probably read a bit more about the principles of REST before confusing people with your own interpretation of what you think it is.

edit: mistakenly thought HN understood markdown.
edit: mistakenly thought HN understood HTML.
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Ok, then understandably they shouldn't. But I wandered off and argued another point: why open source should take the best and incorporate it.
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All 'Organic' means for produce is no pesticides. Pesticides have little or no effect on flavor, especially if you wash your damn food.

Fresh, ripe, varietal, easily-spoiled produce grown in non-industrial settings at a small scale on non-exhausted land by small groups of opinionated people does taste better.

It used to be that produce sold as 'Organic' was largely correlated with the above, but now 'Organic' is a huge profit center for big agribusiness. Being grown without pesticides doesn't make the standard shitty produce any better tasting, nor is it really much better for the environment. It just has bigger profit margins.
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The problem with this approach is that there are large switching costs involved (due to the previously mentioned tight coupling between javascript engine and rendering engine) and the "whose JS engine is the fastest" crown gets passed back and forth between Mountain View and Cupertino so frequently they should just plant it somewhere around southwest Los Altos and be done with it...
1) A browser's full JS implementation is pretty closely coupled with its rendering engine.

Both Safari and Chrome use WebKit as a rendering engine..

2) In the real world open source software is about scratching your own itch, and has absolutely nothing to do with "what's best for users".

In this world, WebKit is open sourced by Apple and isn't some random user's side project that gets one patch a month. This means that decisions aren't made lightly, without second thought. Including the decision that was made to merge back with KHTML and Google's (slow) progress to move back to using WebKit trunk instead of their own fork.
Thanks callmeed for taking the time responding to my post.

You are correct. Not everyone desires to be filthy rich. I, like you, merely looking for material comforts/luxuries and nothing more. As long as I don't have to worry about my next paycheck or how I'm going to cover my next bill, then I would be feel much relaxed and less stressed.

As far as my desire to be rich, I did mention in my post that my family at the end "...are and will forever be, my true wealth." I had much to write, but did my best to condense it without blabbering forever. I apologize if the message intended was kind of lost.

Time permitting, I will check the books you recommended.

By the way, your sites are very nice and clean. Congrats. Regarding Nextproof.com, will I be guessing correctly that it's built using Ruby on Rails. That's what my new project will be based on. Any feedback will be appreciated.

Regards.
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