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I know who he is, I did the Google search to try to reconcile the grammar and spelling mistakes that littered the writings being quoted. I found it hard to believe. To explain clearly why I used the phrasing I did, I will need to tell you a story. Apologies in advance for its length.

Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin ...

30 months ago we advertised for a programmer. We informed a recruiting agency, and sent them some homework, stipulating that we didn't want any resumes without the answers being provided at the same time. They tried once to send a resume without the answers, but we told them very sharply that this was unacceptable.

A week later we got back a resume that read like a dream. So much so that we actually checked some of their claims before we even looked at their homework. And yes, they had been the lead programmer at a major company, they had produced several pieces of Open Source code that looked competent, without being outstanding, and they generally looked like professional programmers.

Then we looked at the homework. It was littered with errors, both logical and syntactic. The design was opaque, and when we took the time to fix the syntax errors, and largely debug the logical errors, it still didn't do what it was supposed to do.

What to do? Call for interview and get to the bottom of it? Deep six the whole thing and move on? Immediately make an offer?

Despite the impressive track record, my team was talking about the "alleged" programmer, and so the decision made itself. He had too much of a hill to climb to gain their respect. No interview, no hire.

Perhaps the problem here is simply the way I expressed myself. Perhaps I unwittingly used a code phrase from my own experience that isn't known or shared by others here, and hence was misunderstood. I'd still expect a well-known, well-renowned professional journalist of long standing to make fewer errors than I found, but perhaps I just expect too much.

But then again, if he really did want that job, shouldn't he have taken the time to get things right?
Or, PG could easily block it, rendering it useless.
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What's the deal with const char *KernelSource = HUGE_MULTILINE_STRING_WITH_EXPLICIT_\n ???

Its worse than SQL statements embedded inside GUI event handlers.
Other than JIT recompilation in VMs of various kinds (which is only indirectly related), no, not that I know of...
Mee to, I guess. On the other hand, Woz had to be dragged out of his job at HP. So without Jobs there probably would've been no Apple either.
Dunno. That might be a good point. Or perhaps they're envisioning cases where a cooperating telco could instantly eliminate a threat that could take hours to eliminate physically, or a threat in which taking over a building would disclose something that would damage operational security. We have a lot of secrets in our corner of this industry, most of them boring, almost all of them necessary.

I wouldn't want to give the impression that I'm simply sticking up for the bill. Especially not in its entirety. I agree, I don't see the compelling reason to have a new law allowing the government to disconnect critical infrastructure.

But that's just a tiny portion of what the bill does. Among other things, tt also tries to harmonize the hodgepodge of security measures we already have, revamp procurement standards (a sucking chest wound in current security practice), and it funds academic research into secure programming.
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>First of all, they cannot increase the latency of their software; in fact, as is explained in the presentation, they work hard to keep it as low as possible and to continue to lower it. An extra layer which must monitor everything would increase latency.

Right. So there is a sweet spot: you want to monitor often enough that you aren't bankrupt in a millisecond, but not so often that your profit becomes 50% of what it could be. I'm not familiar with the algorithms used in trading, but assuming they're complex, the sanity check that I'm proposing would not use a very large portion of your cycles.

>If it's different, then one of them is incorrect.

The presenter spoke of humans shutting off the system when it was causing them to lose a lot of money (in older days when their system was slower?) Presumably the humans were using some algorithm other than the one they implemented to decide whether to shut the system off. Which algorithm is incorrect?

How complicated do you think the algorithm the humans use would be to implement?

>You should watch the video, I think you will find especially interesting the part where he describes how they were unable to pay enough money to get people to even carefully review certain types of code.

I watched the first half. I stopped watching when it became apparent that I would get more out of the video if I knew OCaml, and I plan to learn it at some point.

>That is a static check. Metamath does not fork a process and monitor your proof, assuming that were somehow possible.

I'm talking about the effectiveness of using one system to confirm the correctness of another. For some reason, someone put a lot of hours into Metamath when they could have put the same hours into checking their own proofs. Why do you think they did that?

A final point: He mentioned that their software is in constant need of updating. Every update is an opportunity to introduce a critical error. It seems likely to me that monitoring software would not be in need of constant updating, since the algorithm that the humans use to determine when to turn off the machine probably does not change along with the things he mentioned.
That dude who was on the HuffPost, who sued them for his $700 in missing Adsense money... they fought him in small claims court, even tho their representative was unable to prove a case, they appealed and are dragging it out.

You think they want that kind of precedent known?
Agreed !!....it's really irritating aspect of theirs.
I would reply again, but you have missed points made by the speaker, especially those in the context of OCaml. Please watch and make an effort at understanding before any offhanded dismissals.
A mere 906150257? I'm disappointed. Therefore:

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> I can't think of anyone good enough to write a robust, performant language interpreter/compiler and runtime balking at implementing algorithms and needing automated translation from a website.

You're assuming we're talking about big, robust, powerful languages here. This wouldn't be for those, because those can survive without any help. We're talking about a long tail for language design: if you have an idea (say, Erlang's actor-model-as-core) and want to try it out, writing a standard library is a big barrier to putting out something satisfactory enough for "normal" programming that others will want to tinker on your language and help it grow. Imagine if Linus had to invent C when he was starting off with his tiny little prototype of Linux. We have rapid app development; why can't we have rapid language development?
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I see a lot of naysayers here, but I think this is a good idea. I was actually considering doing this myself a while ago. One of the best things about Matlab is the community of plugins and algorithms, and having a somewhat central repository that makes them easy to find.

That being said, requiring Silverlight is a deal breaker for me. I'd also like to see something more like github, where it's easy to fork and make improvements to other people's code.
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Yes, it's a nasty, no-easy-solution dilemma: Shugging off the spammers yet not mistreating the "false positive" decent customers that your algorithm bans.

What I find distressing (and would find even more so had I been the victim) is that Google refuses to to identify which part of TOS have been violated. Police and courts have to specify which parts of criminal code a defendant is accused of violating. Can we not get similar fairness from corporate America?

Are you afraid that such clarifications would give too much useful info to actual spammers?

Well, maybe a slight edge. But I might compare this to the dilemma that clarifying legal defendants their constitutional rights ("Miranda" in the U.S.) deprives law enforcement of some opportunities to tap some useful self-incrimination: It's part of the cost of valuing Constitutional rights. Would Google dare to offer its customers some Consumer Bill of Rights?
Usually I just close the window when asked to upgrade Silverlight, this seems like a good enough reason to upgrade (as much as I dislike it). Really though, why is it needed here? Not trying to hate, just curious...
You can't have one without the other. Woz could've been just another employee at HP and Jobs could've been just another entrepreneur.
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If you design stuff for programmers it should be as platform independent as you could possibly make it.

I'm having a hard time with sites that use flash (scribd) or the one mentioned above for stuff that should be done with server side code or dhtml.

I realize that in the case of scribd that might be a bit much to ask, but it looks as though they gave up on page '1'.
Certainly, most operating systems can run in 32MB.

It would be nice even if only so the BIOS can boot up and print to the screen, "Hey, RAM slot #3 isn't plugged in right!" instead of the usual black-screen-and-long-beep
Maybe in America. In my corner of the world it would be way under 1%.
I call it "ctrl+space semantically-aware word completion" and "self-documenting function names."

Nothing unusual in multi-year multi-programmer software.

As much as I like succinct function names, in my experience they don't work when there's more than one hacker involved. A strategy I have followed is to make long names for the top-level, interface-like functions, and succinct ones for all the internals; i.e. put the verbosity where others need to look up code to use it as a library, where "library" is understood as an individual/indepenent component of a larger software project.
Worse is better should be Less is more, because the article is about the number of features.
“Some companies offered us right off the bat up to one million, and then we got another offer that was like two million,” he says.

He and D’Angelo at first decided not to sell.

“I don’t really like putting a price-tag on the stuff I do. That’s just like not the point,” Zuckerberg says.

Really?? Is this a joke? How can a journalist even write that?
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The link between Jobs/Wozniak and Zuckerberg is interesting. I would certainly consider Zuckerberg a hacker, but not nearly in the same realm as Jobs and Wozniak.

Facebook is a product of the modern day web environment. Its longevity has yet to be seen. If 2015 rolls around and its a public company that is still innovating then thats one thing, but if it becomes more of a cluttered site in its pursuit to be more like -insert recently popular site here (currently twitter)- then thats another.
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p.s. to everyone else reading this thread, please do not down-arrow him, as his question was worth replying to and I think contributed to discussion.
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On the contrary, it does apply if you're doing any kind of splitting of your users along various axes.

For example, if you're comparing users from Slashdot to users from Hacker News, you might get the following data set for, say, the average click-through rate over 1 week:

Week 1:

Slashdot: 500 hits, 50% click-through rate (250 click-throughs)

Hacker News: 10 hits, 90% click-through rate (9 click-throughs)

Based on this data, you might decide to tweak the page to be more Hacker-News friendly and less Slashdot-friendly. But, hey, maybe you want to run the experiment for one more week, just to be sure.

Week 2:

Slashdot: 10 hits, 10% click-through rate (9 click-throughs)

Hacker News: 500 hits, 20% click-through rate (100 click-throughs)

Wow, we have confirmation! Hacker News is clearly a better source of traffic than Slashdot. So you forget about Slashdot, since HN is consistently giving you a better click-through rate than Slashdot.

Except, of course, when you look at the combined numbers...

Weeks 1 and 2 combined:

Slashdot: 50.7% (259 click-throughs for 510 hits)

Hacker News: 21.3% (109 click-throughs for 510 hits)

So here, the paradox applies in reverse - looking at the weekly data gives you a false impression about how to tweak things to achieve your overall goals.

Now, you might say, this is not A/B testing, just monitoring click-through rates of various sources. However, if you simply double this test (so that you're testing two versions of a page), you might once again reach erroneous conclusions about how each version works for each referrer, because of the Simpson effect.

So while this is not immediately relevant to the most basic A/B testing, it can easily become relevant to more complex examples. And, of course, if you're doing your A/B testing without doing any splitting of the incoming users, you might miss out some other subtleties about your users, so there's a strong temptation to do so.
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So adding www makes his example completely moot. If shortness were an issue then why only use www.qwertqwert.com ?
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I've never heard this before, but I'll never forget it now. There are some more great Pólya quotes on his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pólya
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IMO Ikea is not first and foremost characterized by good design, but skilled logistics. They have polished their material flows up to a point of perfection.

Cost-cutting has always been the key to Ikea, not design. Thus a change to Verdana with the provided reasoning "It's more efficient and cost-effective" is in my opinion 100% true to the brand.
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A lovely piece of software and some lovely moustaches there.

I wonder if anything creative came out of that software or is it all sitting lost on a floppy disc somewhere?

Is there any modern equivalent to that software?
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It's interesting to see his work improve over the years. I imagine the improvement is in part from the advancements in photography equipment.

What I don't understand is how anyone can draw/paint anything that realistic. Especially his most recent work. I doubt I would even be able to tell had I not know that wasn't a photo.
Interesting timing, after this discussion from a couple days ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=788504

I think that investments in the $50k-$150K range and possibly a bit more (~$300K) definitely match a need
I think there must be a way to mimic the bounce rate in AJAX by firing the onclick event to make it meaningful again.
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As to technique: I expect he's using a modern version of camera obscura or similar, using e.g. a projector slide (i.e. non-negative negative) for a base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_lucida

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Hulu seems great. Too bad it's not available in my country...
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This rather misses the point that what looks like a single mutual fund from the outside, from the inside it's the pension funds and other savings of tens of millions of ordinary people. Take Vanguard or Fidelity for example, they "control" a vast amount of money, but all they do with it is track indices on behalf of their retail customers.
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It doesn't matter if the comment you're replying to is deleted or edited, your comment goes on it's position in the comment "tree" even if the branch that your comment is on no longer has any other leaves your comment still goes there.

Plenty of other places have AJAX threaded comments and seem to manage.
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Aren't some of the mutual funds managed by one person (or a few people?) in a place like Vanguard or Fidelity?

I read 'control' to mean who decided to buy that stock, rather than who put in the money, since the former affects the stock price.
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To one of the 9 upvoters in the know: can you tell us what this means? Google used a high rez picture of one piece of land. So, what's the point?

Or is that the point? The fact that Google made an exception to its algorithm for a conference is newsworthy?
This isn't the first time I've seen a Facebook is dying article either. Perhaps someone's hoping for an application of the Thomas theorem.
It's an interesting story - but the details must be massaged: did they really install the software on one day and expect all users to be accessing it the next, surely you'd have a parallel system run with something like payroll. If you communicated with the bank I'm sure they can put an account into some state in which payments could be simulated and never actually payed out so you know that the whole bank end of things works properly.

And how the hell can the project manager not know that the software can't handle more than 100 users - indeed how was it limited? Doesn't one always design for some scaling, 100 sounds arbitrary and very low.

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This post sounded better than the original article. Not that fact that he brought lunch made you like him, but that he was a pretty amiable guy to begin with, and that he found his happiness by buying lunch for people he liked for a shared experience.

The original post made it sound like one can be easily brought with a quick lunch. I personally am wary of having just any stranger do me favors because then I'd feel obligated when they ask me for something. This is how people end up buying entire rugs when they go to have 'just a drink of tea'. But yes, I understand this wasn't the situation you were talking about.
1) I don't think the domain adds a wide spread value (if any).
2) Dunno why people are getting their panties in a knot.
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'Manage' is the right word; an individual with money in a mutual fund has control in the sense that he or she can withdraw the money at any time if they disagree with the fund manager's decision.

Incidentally Vanguard et al have no managers in that sense either - they just track the indices.
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