skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Why would prices go up? It's a money redistribution scheme, not a money creation scheme. The poor have more money, the rich have slightly less, the middle class have about the same, and the bureaucrats and parasitical corporations that live off administering the welfare system have a lot less.

Goods generally purchased by the poor might go up slightly, but BI should shift the poor into the low end of lower middle class. In other words, putting them in a situation comparable to that of the majority of the American population, so the effect on the demand curve should not be large.
That makes sense, though I keep thinking about people who are (for various reasons) fundamentally non-rational actors. Those with mental illnesses or drug abuse issues, etc.
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I can't wait until health insurance takes 0 minutes like most of the first world.
Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps I am an employee with a big technology company like google and my company has a wide array of partnerships, contracts, and ongoing lawsuits with various microsoft business units. Some court may give a court order to disclose some email from some employees of my company, but Microsoft might just decide to search every hotmail account of every employee of my company for whatever reason they want, and only reveal extremely limited subset as required by specific litigation.
There are probably less than 100 HN users who are openly female with over 1000 karma-- food for thought.
I agree that the current system rewards people for consuming welfare and provides disincentives for them to work, but I don't think making the rest of the working population their slaves through taxes is a moral solution.

I think a better solution would be along the lines of "How can we reduce the barriers of entry so that people can create their own success?" and "How can we shift the cultural motif of society from entitlement mentality to valuing hard work and the benefits that come from it?"
eogas is referring to my profile commentary. What eogas isn't recognising is that just because something has the trappings of humour doesn't also mean it's not crap.

HN has thankfully opened up a little in regards to light humour; that part of my profile was written quite a while ago.
That is the same problem we have with a progressive income tax. The major problem I have with current programs is not that they increase the marginal tax rate, but that, at certain points, they increase the marginal taxrate to over 100%. Having a single program, that is also denoted entirely in dollars, will let us explicitly control the effective marginal tax rate.
>>Who the hell cares about random welfare guy ripping off the system? If you're making over $40K per year, you're getting ripped of by the system. By your system, that you demand to keep in place.

The USA is a deeply individualistic society. For most people, the default mindset is "me vs. those other people," and your average American will do anything (including tolerating a grossly inefficient system) to make sure "those other people" don't steal from "me."
This data isn't relevant to the discussion.

IMO, the quality has degraded due to more people viewing the site, not the submissions. If I get my post on the frontpage of HN I can expect roughly 1,000 hits per hour. This wasn't the case 4 years ago when I first starting lurking here.

There are two problems with this:

1. More people (of poor quality) upvoting stories that attract the most attention (link bait, stories that aren't relevant, etc)

2. More people (of poor quality) upvoting comments that are not relevant to the discussion.

No graph will be able to chart this - it's purely subjective.
So, have a new meta-karma that is equal to the mods given to the posts you endorsed? (An alternative would be giving karma directly, or some fraction of karma).

[ed: spelling]
Well, duh. At 63 games this has an expected value of $1e-10.

https://www.google.com/search?q=1000000000%2F2%5E63
It looks like the number of users with >10k karma ≈ 0.3%[^1] Do you have any estimate of number of users >5k and >1k?

[^1]: https://hn-karma-tracker.herokuapp.com/overall
"Flying cars" as they exist now, are more akin to planes-that-can-drive-on-roads
I'm not sure that I qualify to contribute a reply (and that may be a problem here) - I've read HN for 4+ years and have only started actively contributing very recently on this account - I have neither karma nor history of posting in my favour.

One of the most powerful things about HN is that it is currently not like reddit - we don't end up with 400+ comments that sit at the bottom of the page gathering dust and downvotes. I feel that a system of pending comments plays better in a more moderated community - especially so as sometimes the most seemingly innocuous comments here can be important or generate discussion that would not otherwise occur.

If the system were to be brought in immediately I'd like to see something along the lines of a 24 hour window; all comments are published after 24 hours with karma directly correlating to the reduction of that window - i.e. Those users with karma of 1440+ can comment with relative impunity on the assumption that their past contributions merit their voice being heard instantly, whilst users with lower karma must either wait for their comment to be 'approved' by a higher user or of course wait out the period of 1440-karma. A relatively simple fix, I would hope, given that you are willing to let 1000+ karma users basically moderate the comments.

I absolutely agree with beloch that these changes should be eased in as conservatively as possible: the worst thing that can happen to HN, and the tech industry as a whole, is presenting itself as a closed community in which you must gain favour to advance - we all quite literally live on the new blood that so often disrupts the status quo.
Because, in the US legal system, you can't get a court order to compel yourself to do something (as far as I am aware).
ha i don't know- i thought the anti-climax was kind of great. speaks to the math really.
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And it's sad that the statement you just made is often far more taboo than the topic itself.
Will this take effect in the "Ask HN" section as well? I would argue to leave it as it is (or at lower the threshold of number of endorsers) because it will be harder to get endorsers for a non popular thread. Let's say somebody asks "What are the good places to meet hackers in Barcelona?" and I post an answer helpful for the OP, it will not get many endorsers since this question will not be viewed by many here. Also, I have my doubts for the "Who is hiring?" thread as the people who are looking for jobs will not have the incentive to endorse posts since it will increase the number of competitive applicants for the jobs.
You get a reliable, safe, and fuel efficient jetpack at 4000.
Pending comments aren't greyed out. They just have [pending] prepended to them. So I don't think there will be a lot to figure out.
That's true. The same argument can be made for any system that is put in place, though. Even the current one likely has types of discussions that "break it" in some way. There's even evidence of such breakage if you include arguments/bickering as something that the system should prevent.

We can summarize this change as moving from a system where (at least some of) the system's weaknesses are known, to a system where the people running HN believe it should be a better system, but it still probably has points where it breaks in some way. Doing changes like this and reacting to breakage is the only way that progress can be made.
The edit and delete links vanish not long after a post is made. I've never bothered to research the exact duration, but I believe it's no more than 24 hours.

Edit: After some observation, it appears to be two hours. I don't want to be pissy about this, but this is what I was worried about in my other comment--you seem to be making this drastic change with no little thought to how it will interact with the systems and behaviors already in place.
Not only that but they send bills for services that you thought your insurance covered.
For example, I went in for a flu checkup and they charged me $90 for lab tests. This is not including $50 for copay, and $129 for the medication.

Don't ever pick kaiser as your health provider. They're very expensive. I'm still a student without a job and my parents have a normal 5-9 job that hardly pays much.

I don't know what to say when just a flu checkup costs $269 in a visit.
> Why would prices go up?

Because the propensity to consume is not equal across the economic spectrum; downward redistribution increases expected consumption and, therefore, overall price levels.

The idea that this would eat up the beneficial effects of BI is hard to justify, but the idea that some increase in overall price level is likely is pretty easy to justify.
> Speaking of, I'm not sure a lot of us fully appreciate the cost of synchronization, either. It's one big reason why I'm not convinced that reference counting is particularly well-suited to concurrent programming, since it turns a really commonplace operation (retaining a reference to an object) into a synchronization point in the program. There's a non-trivial cost associated with that.

This is actually a problem for both. Simple implementations of AGC have to stop the world to scan at least the roots, and probably even a bit more than that, because there are significant ABA problems. There are ways around this, but as far as I know the only environment to use any of the really good ones is the JVM, because it's hellishly complex. I don't know that there is anything that doesn't stop the world for at least a couple of ns, though.

There are also solutions to it for reference counting. They involve using thread local reference counts and briefly stopping the world to reconcile the counts. I believe [1] describes this algorithm.

And once you get there, and start dealing with cycle detection, the difference between the two approaches starts to look a lot smaller. There's a paper on this too. [2]

[1] http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~erez/Papers/refcount.pdf

[2] http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~cs415/reading/bacon-garbage.pdf
For another thing you might or might not have overlooked: doesn't a person endorse a comment for the same reasons she would upvote it? If so, upvoting would endorse it, and you don't need a dedicated 'endorse' button. The pending comment can stand out with a [pending] tag or a different shade. That would make endorsing weave itself more naturally into users' current habits. On the plus side, if a 1k+ karma user is into the habit of upvoting fluff comments it will soon bite them when they do that mindlessly to a pending comment. Pavlov is a good teacher.
This might not work out the way you think. With more money in everyone's pocket, for example, people in subsistence circumstances working minimum-wage second jobs while their children sit alone at home would no longer be compelled as strongly to take or keep such jobs. Some would stick with them, but surely there would be a cohort for whom it's no longer necessary, or who could now afford to be pickier about the nature of that second job. And the movement of this margin, however slightly, in favor of the employee, would place upward pressure on the wages at those types of jobs.

There are businesses whose profitability and business model assume a steady supply of takers of these sorts of jobs at the lowest possible wage. How would basic income affect that supply?
If I had a suggestion, I would modify the display setting of pending comments to permit the submitter of the comment to see the pending replies, and interact. Only the two parties would be able to see the thread, until endorsed at the root node.

This would help prevent the staunching of discussion in long running threads, as well as offer a means to communicate directly with a person in a faster amount of time than endorsements would provide.
The best is getting pg to follow you on Twitter after 10k
I knew the Latin meaning. I've honestly never seen it used as a direct replacement for "with" in an otherwise all-English phrase though.
RIP HN.

gg :( was fun while it lasted.
Wow, this despresses me. It pushes my nose unto the fact that I really suck at 2048, because no matter how hard I make it, this AI solves every problem I throw at it. Yet, I haven't managed to surpass 6568 after days of playing.
I wonder how this change will play out with respect to the 24 hour nature of the site. It really has a different flavor depending on when/where you are in the world. In general I tend to think of HN as having four flavors: East-Asian, European, East coast (NYC) and West coast (SF).

I tend to be awake at odd hours, and over a 24 period, it's quite interesting to watch.
"<Insert Minority Group Here> in tech" submissions will probably be interesting to see once this is implemented.
What does "competitive" mean? Against what? More realistically, figure $20k to 15 million - much less trouble. A mere $0.3T :) But it'll go close to 100% to the Metric Formerly Known as M3 and dissipate.

My framework and Maslow-hammer is the PPST framework from Tyler Cowan by way of Arnold Kling - Patterns of Sustainable Substitution and Trade. In this, the bulls get bigger and the china shops get smaller; people don't have jobs for the reason that employers can't or won't figure out how to hire because business is too hard now.

I think (from interviewing) there's a strong element of laziness, narcissism and incredulous cognitive dissonance to this, but whatever. If we hire and they're good, then the story we told ourselves about how special we were fails.

The U6 gap since 2007 is real now for seven years. It harder every day to call it a blip.

If you give dole money to people such that it does not drive them from doing something productive, the money flows back through the economy and doesn't harm anyone. The accounting, however, is horrendous. I don't have an answer for that.
I was thinking the same thing. There's currently no known harm for upvoting, so we do it to promote good discussion, despite the fact that there's typically no personal benefit. But if endorsing posts not only provides no personal benefit but also bears the risk of possible harm, people might be too cautious with endorsements for this system to work.
Will everybody be pending or just users <1000 points?
Samsung spent $13 million on SXSW; I spent $49.
Perhaps these things (firmware, exploits) are more about scientific observation of experiments and less about reading documentation or literature to understand how to develop something. Commercial software development can be like that too. You may need to understand assembly code to figure out how library routines work (without access to the source). The documentation is usually incomplete or incorrect (as in "security by obscurity"). And people whose minds work in a particular way, who can back out what is going on from a set of empirical results, can get things done that others cannot.
Note that the research paper[1] includes a link to the image-generating software[2] they've written.

Quite interesting to play with to get an interactive feel for how the various parameters of their model affect the facial appearance. You really need to read the paper to figure out what's going on though.

[1] http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal...

[2] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12163246/PC2014/DNA2FACE...
I guess most of your users are US based and this is... more a European brand maybe? I don't know, I live in Russia and it's quite popular over here. I guess it's a decent budget-minded brand, though many people (who ride cheapo bikes) consider it overpriced.
Can you give us some indication of what % of active users have over 1000 karma?
I'm going to work on an ncurses-based music player similar to cmus, in clojure.
Because you are not only paying for your plan, you are also paying for the plans of those who are receiving subsidies.
Great... If this article title was about Digg's history... we can judge it on those merits. But the title tries to somehow relate this to HNs new policy change when HN is barely mentioned. That is deceptive.

If your summary is actually true, "Users aren't as powerful on the new Digg platform," what was the point of going through every tiny tidbit of Digg's history?

Oh wait I know why. Because it'll help you generate more hits on SERPs.

Is there any point in writing 4 paragraphs about Digg's change from MySQL to Cassandra if the article is about how the new Digg alienated their users? Digg's change in technology causing delays is relevant to write about. But writing about what Cassandra is for an entire paragraph is completely useless.

Oh wait I know why. Because it'll help you generate more hits on SERPs.

Again, useless article given it's title. Nothing at all to do with HN
This is where the colour association came from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green#Youth_and_inexperience
I knew a person in Facebook who actually looked into other people's private photos. When one of my friend was supposed to chat with this guy and send her photos for traditional 'arranged' Indian marriage, this Stanford educated guy told my friend that he had already seen her pictures in Facebook. The surprise was all her pictures were private at that point!
I tried signing up for an Anthem PPO plan to see how this works. I was redirected to a branded but non-functional page on https://www.ehealthinsurance.com. The form submit button did nothing at all...
So if I write a comment that people don't want to endorse – let's suppose it's actually bad – then it's pending forever and I can never post again?
This is much more like capitalism, with the government investing in you every month.
"What are people for?" - Kurt Vonnegut, "Player Piano", 1952. 1952, people.

Sigh
They'll just keep submitting stories to get to 1,000 karma instead of participating in commenting or be shut out so only old users can talk.
Who is George Kalogeropoulos?
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Related to this: are there any hourly visit stats available? I currently work nights in the GMT+1 timezone, so I'll probably end up all over this scale (depending if I'm posting from work, or during the day when off...).

This could be some additional meta-info to add to the 'post stories on Mondays'-"rule"...
I knew a person in Facebook who actually looks into other people's private photos. When one of my friend was supposed to chat with this guy and send her photos for traditional 'arranged' Indian marriage, this Stanford educated guy told my friend that he had already seen her profile and other pictures in Facebook. The surprise was all her pictures were private at that point!
Good point. I don't know that I favor basic income when the enormity of the funding required is put in perspective. I'd rather see some kind of allotment for bill-pay for lower-income/no-income individuals, whereby things like their rent, health costs, cell phone bill, & transportation costs would be provided for up to a certain amount. Something like $5000 annually would go a long way towards helping out low-income people, and the paperwork necessary to receive benefits would serve as a disincentive for people who don't need the assistance to try to receive it.
You are also paying for George Kalogeropoulos to take his cut.
1000 karma can't be a high bar if someone like me can have over 4000.
There's usually perfect brackets a couple rounds in. This year was rough. While the first round has half the games, they're usually a lot more predictable than later rounds.

This is probably my worst first round ever, anecdotally.
Yes, and frame geometry too.
On BI, it would be very difficult to afford the latest iPhone. If you have no skills but you want an iPhone you can either skip a few hundred meals or you can flip burgers and clean toilets for a few hours.

Don't worry, the hedonistic urge is stronger than laziness in most people. Especially since lazy usually implies watching TV which continuously bombards you with advertisements to buy things...
Cryptographic hashes and checksums serve different purposes. CRC32c has a hardware implementation on Intel that can do between 3-4 gigabytes a second per core (depends on if you pipeline instructions) with software implementations doing 800 megabytes a second per core.

Fast cryptographic hashes are more like 100 megabytes a second per core or slower. You can use cryptographic hashes in performance sensitive scenarios like git to get a unique fixed size handle on some bytes, but CRC32c is faster if all you want to detect is random changes.

I wouldn't expect a filesystem to need collision resistant cryptographic hashes.

There is hardware support for SHA-1 and SHA-2 now, but is recent and I haven't seen an implementation or benchmark. I doubt it's as fast as the hardware CRC32c implementation.
Naturally you have to "raise taxes" (in a nominal sense) at the same time you add a basic income, so that the added income is cancelled out for middle-class and wealthy people, and the net amount of redistribution stays more or less constant.

It's still a big win, since you've taken all of the various benefits agencies and collapsed their roles into that of the IRS or equivalent tax agency, which has to exist anyway to fund other government functions.
In my opinion this is a fix in search of a problem. In reading all comments on a post I see very few "worthless" comments and many of those are grey. Skimming over tit for tat threads happens on an almost subconscious level. Maybe it's just me.
It seems more like a tax, somewhat similar to social security. You pay a lot when you're young so that you can get expensive treatments when you're older.
Collapsing threads do the job pretty well. And you're always going to get comments that aren't relevant to you, because you're not the only person doing the endorsing. If a comment is useless fluff to you, but gets endorsed by someone else, then you still have a scrolling problem. Not so with collapsable commeents.
Exercises in Style
What happens if the story you commented in gets killed before your comment is endorsed? Are you done commenting on HN for how long?
And that's the bottom line...
Sample : www.almaclassics.com/excerpts/Exercises-in-Style-Excerpt.pdf‎
Why wouldn't your comments get endorsed and be seen as much as anyone else's?

Have you perhaps misunderstood the karma restriction to mean that people with less karma will have their comments be less visible? That's not the idea.
> I am calling it, this will be the deathknell of hackernews

I agree. This is an incredibly drastic (proposed) change to HN. I think that, years from now, it will be written:

As his final act before leaving YC
Paul Graham shut down Hacker News
(45 minutes later)

all lies.
I'm pretty disappointed in most people's responses. Here's two real, actual taboos that no one wants to touch with a 20ft stick:

1. consensual incest

2. consensual pedophilia

All of these things are just utterly shunned. It would be unspeakable for me to argue in support of these in real life, except with very close friends and in a very detached manner. In fact, this has probably put me on some sort of list (especially considering the stuff I saw on 4chan last night...).

The interesting thing is that I would never want to do any of those things. Yet I know that my own repulsion is based on irrational disgust, and the reason for our shunning is also based on irrational disgust. When we take universal moral baselines -- empathy, compassion -- none of these taboos, assuming the sex is protected and consensual, harm anyone.

We've also got eugenics and polygamy, but I could probably argue for those without being shot. Oh wow, and consensual cannibalism. I'm usually the devil's advocate, but even this shit is starting to make me feel dirty.
Not true - in ESPN leagues, only 1 bracket the past 7 years made it past the first weekend perfect.