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Assuming you think that you are getting at least $92.01 worth of internet, then you are underpaying for some of the above and overpaying for some. Why is it "unfair" to overpay for some parts, if it's not unfair to underpay for the ones that you use more than the average person?
HN has a long and sordid history of skepticism towards climate science. It first came to the forefront around 5 years ago, during the CRU email controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_co...), and it was the first time I was sorely disappointed in the HN community.

But not the last.

I was one of only maybe three or four people at the time that vocally supported the consensus conclusions of climate science.
I would actually _like_ Google to read my mail on my request so that I can prove that my brother's gmail address is really his. (he had it hijacked)

There doesn't seem to be any mechanism to have them do so :-(
That's the real thing you can't (respectably) say - not the trope of "God isn't real"
You can go beyond even this assumption: is the Von Neumann model of programming even necessary? Of course, dataflow languages have been around for years, but there are other models out there that might work better; e.g. see Subtext [1].

I'm a professional PL designer also, though working under the pretext of a researcher. Those of us who are disgruntled are trying to start a support group :)

[1] http://www.subtext-lang.org/
That would mean the CEO would be the lowest paid employee at every company.
What about something like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wisoy2og4rb4zps/rationalmedium.pdf [mockup]

Key features:

- Different claims are made, and you can discuss them individually (ie. in a separate thread). This thread would have a summary of the key points at the top, so new users can more easily join the conversation.

- There's an open thread.

- There's a thread to discuss tangents.
This is ridiculous. It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions, but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users before they can be shown to the rest.

I don't get it. This site looks like something made in 1996 (with absolutely no regard for readability), but the big new upgrade we're getting is a draconian (and wholly unnecessary) comment moderation feature/policy?

A lot of HN users bitch about Reddit, but they would never implement something this ridiculous since it would kill their community. But I guess that's the whole point of this exercise...to cull the userbase.

Ironically, this comment is precisely the kind of thing that may never receive an "endorsement."
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But corporations don't behave like human beings

Corporations don't "behave" at all. What you really mean is that human beings behave differently when they work for corporations:

You keep your job at a corporation by promoting the corporate interest.

That's true, but that by itself doesn't make the behavior immoral. If the corporate interest is best served by making products that people actually want or need, and selling them at a fair price, then keeping your job by promoting the corporate interest is perfectly moral.

If, on the other hand, the corporate interest is best served by something else, then we, as humans, need to revisit the whole issue of corporate governance: what is it that puts corporate interests out of alignment with our interests as human beings and members of society? And you can't just say "get rid of corporations" because corporations are necessary: without them we wouldn't have enough food, wouldn't have houses, wouldn't have cars, wouldn't have computers or the Internet, etc., etc.

None of us can survive purely by our own efforts; we need to be able to specialize and trade, and we need to engage in collective projects that required the coordinated efforts of many people. Corporations are a necessary part of doing that. The fact that the legal powers we give corporations have been abused does not mean all corporations abuse them. And the abuse doesn't happen because corporations magically do things without humans doing things; the abuse happens because some humans use corporations as tools to prey on other humans instead of providing value.
I kindly disagree. I would prefer a system where a basic income is distributed (simply for the efficiency) and those that receive it are educated on how to spend it to meet their basic needs. This could be integrated into school curriculum, online courses, etc.
Downvoting has always been used for disagreement on HN. It's a stubborn myth that that's somehow wrong or against the rules.
It would also be good for a person commenting (especially at toplevel) to be able to see replies, endorsed or not. There are plenty of useful comments that might not really merit endorsement or visibility by all but are a widely used - various small technical corrections, requests to get in contact, etc.
This looks like a solution without a problem. If there a desire to reduce participation in the site, then this change will likely work. Whether or not that is a good thing will reflect a difference in philosophies amongst the users here. As this site has grown in popularity, it is no longer small and exclusive. This will never cease to bother some people.

For what it's worth, I think the quality of discussion on this site is still solid. I'm skeptical of this incoming change, but am open to being wrong once I see it in action.
The real problem is all the tax loopholes that almost exclusively benefit the upper/upper end of the income spectrum.

I am looking at you carried interest loophole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carried_interest

And the low rate dividends are taxed at. Dividends should be deducted at the corporate level as a cost, and taxed at the shareholder level as regular income.
Thanks for the heads up. I had actually mentioedn only KLOCs as an initial number just to have a rough idea; I understand it's not sufficient for a real quote, but I was just looking into ballparks here.
Could you possibly help us migrate our servers? How can I contact you? My email is in the profile.
I think there's a difference between a constructive conversation and a flame war.

If the worry is that comment threads are too long, HN could implement something like reddit, where you click to read additional comments in a long thread.
...that eliminates money all together

You can't eliminate money. It's a natural creation of human interaction. Even prisoners have money.
I'm not a fan of the new change, but all the social justice articles get flagged into oblivion before most people have a change to comment on them anyway. That takes a lot less karma to do, 100 if I remember.

And you don't know that it's not going to swing the other way, where people would be more likely to speak out because no one's going to endorse the stock replies - i.e., the exhausting nits picked over this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7418937 wouldn't all be there.
What if they just made all the comments anonymous for 24 hours after they're posted? If you really wanted to know someones user name you could just go back in 24 hours. Hard to say whether it would improve content, but it does still allow people to have a name tied to a comment thus providing incentive to post well thought out answers and not go on sprees of acting obnoxious (I assume).
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I seem to remember that in 1994 most people understood the usefulness of both technologies, especially cell phones. Cost was the real hinderance. Though if we go one more year, by 1995, internet access was starting to become common in the home.
For some use cases, it certainly is.

I'm extremely regretful of having installed it at the family law firm... I had to customize it a lot for it not to interfere with the normal business workflow, and it still manages to botch things. Many business users don't want anything to do with a touch screen interface, I still can't understand why it wasn't "opt-out".
Interesting system, it kind of reminds me of the way I used to read Slashdot. There is a setting where you can filter comments below a certain threshold so you don't see them. I used to have mine set to +2. This was a great filter and made reading comments much nicer.
I am calling it, this will be the deathknell of hackernews, you can already see huge bias in the stories that get flagged on this site now you will see it in every comment.
1. I think you underestimate the daily hell of the lives of workers who hate their jobs. There are millions of people out there who are homeless because they'd rather sleep outside than perform the jobs available to them.

2. People who are forced to work two (or more) jobs to stay afloat are struggling way more than could conceivably be incentivized by evolution. I can't imagine how miserable and downtrodden people must be who have no weekend to look forward to in which to pursue their interests.

3. I don't believe that doing something meaningless like sweeping floors or checking groceries fills any kind of psychological need. I've personally gone a few months before without doing any kind of work, and it was glorious.

4. What about all of those psychological needs (family, relationships, hobbies) which people compromise for the sake of work?
As I understand it, it would lack responses to pending comments, since nobody can respond to a comment before it's endorsed.
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So then to lift everyone out of poverty, we just need a 40% flat tax on top of the current federal taxes (so that we can continue to fund everything else). Hooray, 70% tax rate!
I'm curious: how do you feel about css transitions? I'm being totally non-snarky here, and I fully agree in the ideals of separating the three concerns, but I sometimes wonder if the existing lines aren't drawn in slightly the wrong place.
For those who didn't know about it, please check Apachetop:

https://github.com/JeremyJones/Apachetop

I use it for both Apache and Nginx.
I think this is a horrible decision. I've never seen this work. My biggest objection is based on the fact I have to wait for someone to endorse my comment.

I post a lot of comments here, regularly. Some of them get hot and turn into a linked-list O(n) depth tree... I also post during time when few people are around. By the time I want to say something interesting and hope someone can engage with me my comment would be so deep down. This is not really karma whoring. But I want to be able to express myself instantly, right away so anyone reading the article at that moment may check out my voice too.

I don't see why we need this restriction. This should be restricted to people who have a history of getting downvoted and people who are new to HN. That makes sense. But people who have been here long enough and with a good record shouldn't be penalized.

Call me impatient but I read and write quickly. I can't wait an hour to get one comment approved.

Note I am well above 1000 karma and I don't like this...

And if the whole point is to promote comments that can contribute to the discussion, then downvote will work just fine. Any uncivil or harsh comment usually get to the bottom of the page quickly. If I express similar or even same opinion as someone else, should my comment be approved? If the answer is yes, then almost every comment should be endorsed. Then what is the whole point of this pending feature?
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a tiny core of people who run one tiny thing on top of a large set of frozen, well-known components

Your error is in assuming this is possible. Change is a constant. Integrating change with existing systems is the role of the sysadmin.
The swiss referendum for basic income also referred to "citizen" income as well, knowing full well that 20% of their population has immigrant status. Steal from the poor to feed the middle.
I the think that we should add a single requirement to the basic income. logging on into a national library 5 days a week for a minimum of 1 hour a day. do vr classes. force them to complete and pass standard mathematics and physics. it might take them 10 years to reach calc 2 but at that point we'll have someone who can contribute. you could even teach material from patent applications.
Well, I don't quite qualify - I have a BA in French and I'm working on a PhD in another humanities discipline - but I disagree pretty strongly with the idea that a physicist could do what a French literature specialist does but not vice versa.
According to this (https://twitter.com/MengTo/status/447017458251997184) no. It will be available on the website and as a PDF.
question is: is evolution 'target' for us to build machines or to leverage machines to increase its pace ? if pure AI were the target evolution may have 'targeted' it more directly. Singularity 'theory' forgets about evolution.
I highly recommend "A League of Ordinary Gentlemen". Great documentary and it really shows the human side of the tour. It is currently available on Netflix streaming.
Another part of it is what your software is designed for. I honestly think xcode 5 was designed for 27" 1440p displays. I was always frustrated with xcode on a 1080p display until I moved to a 1440p display with it.
If the intent is to keep things racing to the right, simply allow root level comments by everyone and then impose the new pending status to comments on comments. This fixes cperciva's issue and makes it easy to code without having to do timeouts or summary pages.

And thank you for working on this!
> Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another.

This is kinda crazy. You can't expect 100% of our comments to be brilliant. There needs to be some timeout or something, if not, people will start creating new accounts every day.
Also worth mentioning that 'patio11 posts late at night (our time; he's in Japan) in little bursts. But he's not high-volume, so maybe that doesn't matter.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
>> If you took all the salaries, property and operations cost associated with distributing old age security, welfare, disability, unemployment wages etc etc, it would probably pay for much of the cost associated with the Guaranteed Income (even if you had a small group dedicated to counter fraud abuse).

Not even close. Do the math and also keep in mind that just recently our government was operating at a trillion dollar deficit (almost 30% of their entire budget) and even if you could operate at extreme deficits forever, that still wouldn't be enough.
I would guess that the majority of ISP customers (at least in the USA, where prices are set by monopolies) do not believe what they are paying is fair, and use much less than average, and itemizing the bill would make this even more clear.
Why is there a blank line in the list between jrockway and cwan? Is it someone whose account was deleted?
A major problem is that this makes it very difficult for someone to get established on HN.

Imagine how many pending comments will have to be accepted for someone to reach the 1000+ mark?
"Fantastic job on integrating the psychiatric profile and semantic analysis, everyone. It looks like we were so accurate that we independently faked the exact same email he actually wrote!"

Arrington's exact quote, "shown an email that proved that they were the source" actually doesn't say it was an email between Arrington and the source, although I'm fairly sure that's what was meant.

Edit: To be fair, I suppose we should consider that the average guilty person isn't going to do well when confronted with specific, correct accusations, even if the evidence was faked or incorrect.
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US specific:

* 2014 total US gov't spending: $6.3T (36.4% of GDP)

* # of Americans: 314m (2012)

* Cost to provide $10,000 per year to everyone: $3.14T

* Current US military spending: $0.8T

* Current US education spending: $1T

* Basic income + education + mil = $4.94T

* $4.94T vs $6.3T

[1]http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/
At the moment, >90% of our population is still employed. How can you people take all those projections that half of us will be replaced by robots in a decade seriously? I would be surprised if we even reach <80% employment in my lifetime.
I'd really like to see a public statement (hopefully a denial) by Google about this. As a matter of policy large tech companies often don't discuss how they track down leakers, or even permit speculation about it.
There's something like a "scrolling cost" -- people are only willing to skim so much of a comments thread, without seeing something interesting to them, before closing it.

This is why HN dislikes humorous fluff-posts: they both easily rise to the top, and encourage humorous fluff-replies, which means the first few screenfuls of comments will be guaranteed to induce the kind of "scroll-pain" that makes people close the tab.
Very cool put it on pypi it will be useful with my blogs in aws
The limit on one pending comment has the potential to slow or completely block a one-to-many discussion.

Say I post "I made the linked project. [Some cool facts about it]." and four people ask me questions. I start answering, and can't submit my second answer. I'm probably annoyed at this point. Repeat for the remaining questions.

Maybe the system could have a provision for submitting multiple pending comments on your own link or sub-thread to solve this.
You could manage (distribute) the resource of money, and allow people to spend it how they like within a free market.

Of course, I'm aware that whyme said "eliminates money all together" so this might not be what he meant.
I really like packing cubes, they can have a compression effect. One of the eagle creek half cubes for example holds 3 shirts, 3 pairs of socks and 3 pieces of underwear for example.
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Distributed resource-managed economy sounds a lot like a barter economy. IMHO, money-based trade is almost always better than bartering.
I found a user with approximately 1000 karma and used http://hn-karma-tracker.herokuapp.com/ to get the number of active users.

There are ~6000 with more than 1000 karma and ~9000 with more than 500 karma.
If we can create , then we can destroy just as easily.
I endorse this post strongly. I too have occasionally had some informative back-and-forth's in buried threads. With this update, this would only work if both users have >1000 karma.
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Professional snooker is still very popular and the best earn millions of USD pr. year. So the situation between snooker and bowling isn't quite the same.
Or it will allow people to silence those with a differing opinion that the OP doesn't agree with...
I'm not sure what you mean by "saving the broadcasts". Can you give an example?

Some 11% of clients are using XHR or JSONP protocols and it it Just Works(tm), I did not add anything special.
What if said moral objections stem from a lack of imagination?
This will prevent comments from people that disagree with the standard view on HN. I think that is very unfortunate. :(

But then, I didn't think the comment situation on HN was that dire.
Wouldn't businesses just raise prices to offset the basic income, rendering it useless?
I agree about the nesting issue. But i hate the new HuffPo discussion interface because it breaks the reading flow.

I think it is horrible to use. What would have been better is use the same system but without this horrible pop-up window.You can totally open/close a comment tree without having the feeling you are going to a new page just to see the comments.

I think the way disqus works is a good compromise.It's perfectly ok to limit the depth of the comment tree to 2/3 sub comments no more.And even limit the number of sub comments.

There are a lot of other stuffs I hate about the HuffPo ,the fact that HuffPo tries to trick you into clicking the same link multiple times by changing the title and the picture of an article I already visited makes me angry ,it's just click bating ,and makes me feel HuffPo thinks i'm an idiot, i dont have time to waste with these tricks,and I think it's borderline dishonest.

Anyway that was my little rant about Huffpo UX. I really wonder if your userbase is growing thanks to these choices. People use to come to HuffPo for its content, and there is a lot to say about its quality too today.
The problem is that people are being penalized for writing something completely reasonable because someone wrote something slightly better or wrote it first, even if they were unaware of the other comment existing at the time of posting.

As a penalty, they will have to go back and delete their pending comment from whatever thread they were on, if they came back to HN after a break. cperciva's auto-purge or my auto-accept suggestion partly solves this issue.
This is an interesting feature, and certainly not something I would have expected as the "next" feature to add. When I read "pending comments" I expected something similar to slashdot's old "preview" feature so one could double-check spelling, formatting, etc. i.e. preview the post before submitting to HN. I would not have expected "pending" to mean "pending moderation" given the successful voting feature here.

I would ask what the goals of the change are, but they seem obvious:

1) Limit nastiness and negativity

2) Encourage deeper and pensive comments

3) Cynically, it seems like a private goal would be to limit criticism of YC, though I know this would never be a stated goal. The criticism may simply have increased the priority even though HN has seemed more civil in recent months as an outside observer.

While the change may achieve these results, I would expect the following effects:

1) Fewer comments overall (there is a new "tax" to post, so-to-speak) and as a result there will be fewer visitors in the medium term (sites like HN, reddit, slashdot, huff post, etc all thrive on both the quality _and_ quantity of comments since that's what entertains people). Without controlling the number of front-page stories, you will in effect decrease the available content for viewers to consume. The demand will be filled elsewhere. I always assumed there was a private, invite-only forum for YC and that you would leave HN alone as a great PR platform... this move makes me wonder some more.

2) Comments will trend towards the quality of bane, tokenadult, ChuckMcM, patio11, cperciva, etc (we all know them) at the risk of fewer "provocative" posts. Often the greatest quality posts, however, are in response or to contradict simple-minded or provocative posts.

3) I am concerned by this line: People who regularly endorse comments that fail one or both of these tests will lose the ability to endorse comments. I like meta-moderation and all, but I don't like being reminded that all actions are recorded and tied back to my account. I would ask for some separation between "endorsing" and "agreeing" -- as a continual skeptic, I like reading and promoting contrarian views since it helps us learn.

I look forward to watching the experiment, and as a parting request, would you be able to record and measure the goals? There must be a YC company that can help with that, and I imagine it would be a wonderful blog write-up!
This might be a terrible execution of this idea that will cut the amount of discussion on HN by a large amount. Maybe even by 90%.

This puts the onus on the older members of the community to do even more work administrating the site -- for every comment posted there need to be a couple of users with karma > 1000 to endorse it, and they will need to literally work to allow comments through.
> Basic income + education + mil = $4.94T

What's the point of this? Do you think all government spending except military and education is obsoleted by basic income?