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I'd love the idea of a basic income as a replacement for all the bureaucratic nightmare of various state subsidies and benefits, but we all know this is not what is going to happen.

They'll give basic income but soon they'll establish exceptions for some categories of people that will receive something more. Then an othe category, then an other.

In the end it will be exactly like before, except it will cost much more.
and thus, like every other forum online, "those who came before" are massively rewarded, and new users are basically treated like crap.

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Laser sintering can supposedly achieve the resolution of the Lego molds, but the technology is very expensive and much slower than Lego's injection molding process. Chances are we won't see this in the hands of consumers for another 5 - 10 years, but I totally agree with you that it will eventually happen.
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This is very un-hacker like. There has be better way to rank the comments considering you have so much information, specifically, graph of people with karma values upvoting/downvoting each other. Can't we just do simple variant of PageRank to rank comments? You can even simplify thing by having child comments inherit rank of parent (or may be adjusted rank). Individual users can set the noise level that they find acceptable in their profile. I strongly believe this is a ranking issue and shouldn't be left to humans with all of their potential to bias things.

Proposed system might work ok on head posts but there are lot of tail posts which have smaller audiences but interesting topics nonetheless. On those posts, minority opinions or "ridiculous ideas" would have lower probability of getting endorsed.
Looks like flag no longer exists for a post until it's endorsed. Makes sense.
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In addition to what others have mentioned, your old plan had a lifetime maximum payout - maybe $1M, maybe $2M. That is removed by the ACA, and that costs extra too.

Also, there is extra cost because insurers now need to cover existing conditions - allowing you to change providers if you are already sick.

All of these extra things make it more expensive for some, but a better overall coverage - if you have catastrophic illness, you may have not been covered at the top end for all of these costs on your old plan.

Younger people tend not to think about catastrophic issues like 3+ years of cancer treatment, because new treatments are a) expensive and b) may extend your life significantly, so you may actually hit your $2M lifetime maximum, and then you are on your own, until you're bankrupt, and then the state (i.e. taxpayers) would help you out.

So, taken over 50+ years (not just this year's numbers) these new plans actually provide much better coverage, and may even take pressure off the Taxpayers for those that are under covered for their medical issues.
Your comments will need to be approved by a few users with ~1000+ karma before others on the site can see it. You can read more here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7445761
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People on welfare (including section 8, food stamps, etc) do in fact get $20k/person.

http://johnhcochrane.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/taxes-and-cliffs...

Consumption data agrees.

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ce/standard/2009/income.txt
I've been watching the /pending page and I've been surprised that the number of pending comments has stayed really low.

Either there are just not many comments, or people are actively moderating. Or some combo.

The thing is to see how that page looks in the next few days and weeks.

edit: Also surprised that this comment skipped the pending page.
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This is absolutely the single greatest and subtly brilliant motivator for anyone interested in doing a startup to leap right now.

All of your competition is going to be wasting hours of their day upvoting pending comments.

Their time sink is your opportunity!

Here's a free startup idea: autobot commenter to turk task the producers of the valley.
I'm seeing no comments that remain as pending for very long.

This is only going to affect the very bottom of the barrel as it stands now.

So I think everyone can safely relax and let it work its course.
Hmm, on the thread view you are correct (I could only see "endorse"; now I can see only "flag"). But on /pending I see both "endorse" and "flag", and they're right next to each other.
How many 1000 karma users are there on HN exactly, and how actively do they visit and interact with the site? This will have an enormous effect on what the endorsement latency actually is. I assume the karma threshold of 1000 was chosen so that there would be a reasonable number of users to do this, but I still want to check.

Edit: I notice that my comment is marked as pending in this thread... so the system is already active?

Edit2: Yes: https://news.ycombinator.com/pending
>you still end up with a score that doesn't really convey much

Exactly. Mostly I try to make constructive comments, but the most upvotes I have received were on comments which were hateful to one of the tech companies - they might still not be the best comments in pg's dictionary.
This thread, and the day or so following, will be very different from the usual case. Today, everyone is playing with the endorse system. We will need to see how quickly it works when it's not the shiny new toy.
Supposing that I was writing about something I cared about, yes I would have. Maybe that just means I already went through the learning curve on other communities though (vim -> emacs).
They don't necessarily have to volunteer. There's always the option of a forced choice. More likely through disease and/or starvation in my book, though other forms of population reduction are possible.

The argument that present, let alone near-future projected populations are long-term sustainable doesn't merit much support in my book.

And, NB, your 200 million estimate's reasonably close -- Wikipedia gives estimates of 150 - 330 million worldwide as of 0 CE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates
No matter what one wants to think of Google, there is not a single ounce of meat on this story.

I'd like to agree. If this was true, this would be very shocking news for me and a lot of other people. I work for one of the many startups, which use google docs and google mail. If Google would be willing to look at journalist's emails to "find a leak". How could any company trust them not to look at their secret communication? Especially if they had a real interest in doing so at some point, so they wanted to launch a competing product, invest in a competitor or acquire the company in question?
As a owner of shares in the stock market, all I can say is that hopefully the first politician who will try to pass such a law will get a bullet in the head.
Everyone can see pending comments, though. At a minimum, everyone has the potential to find out if there might be a problem.

https://news.ycombinator.com/pending
Please "god", no interpreted language.
Unfortunately, this kind of attitude (with which I wholly agree) is being criticized more and more.

Through contempt for the concept of meritocracy (even as an asymptotic ideal), and growth in identity politics, more and more people seem to view diversity and social engineering goals as more important than getting the best team in place for the job.

Maybe that's fine for a sclerotic bureaucracy, but for a startup in which everyone's effort counts, a single marginal hire is like a cancer - you simply can't afford it. Hiring needs to be focused on getting the best people for the job - diversity will arise as a consequence.
> But in my opinion, this is going to kill a lot of real-time commentary on posts that are only moderately popular, and it will kill discussion on scrolled-off posts almost completely, for obvious reasons.

Real time discussion is overrated. I would rather prefer people think and research before commenting. That said, this could rapidly get out of hand if the pending queue gets too big.

The pending comments page has another problem in that it is quite context free. You only see the comment, not the context the comment is in (at least when I visited the page earlier).

EDIT:
The [pending] comment within a thread is poorly formatted. Maybe a different style?
> I feel bad that comments posted just to say they agree with someone/something cannot/will not be seen.

Unfortunately, most of my comments of this nature are replies to unpopular comments. I feel no need to tell someone I like their work if everyone else is already doing the same. However, this system may make comments designed to be read by only one other person a thing of the past.
Some good points. That does seem to get us to the right ballpark. However:

- Can you really exclude kids? They still need someone to support them. They may not get their 10k, but their parents need extra (presumably around 10k for each child) to support them.

- If you switch to a means-tested system (the article actually advocates for everyone gets 10k, not just the poor), don’t you lose many of the benefits the article advocates? Eg, you go back to the complexity of having to determine who’s eligible, rather than gaining the efficiency of just saying “everyone”.

- A means-tested system also creates the perverse incentive that the article’s BI would bypass: people near the threshold for BI have a weakened incentive to work extra for fear of losing or lessening their BI.

Edit: Actually, a comment lower down points out that our social security expenditures were $1.3 trillion in 2013[0], so that's our lower bound. "Income derived from Social Security is currently estimated to keep roughly 20% of all Americans, age 65 or older, above the Federally defined poverty level." Since BI would replace SS, we'll be paying at least that amount to start with.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)
Not seeing the scores also encourages hijacking visibility by replying to the top comment.

#1 score 1000
->#2 score 5
#3 score 800

We end up reading comment #2 before and often instead of #3.

Most really popular posts load 4-5 comments in reply to the actual post in the first page of comments. It's honestly ridiculous. I would really love to be able to collapse comment trees like on reddit, and even better if they aggressively collapsed by default based on their score.
If you're under about 1K karma your comments will be invisible until someone with >1K karma endorses it.
As of right now it's 500 karma: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7447701

I'm curious about how many endorsements are needed. My endorsement caused your comment to go live, but I don't know if you'd been previously endorsed by someone else or not.
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In fairness, don't most situations in life?
There's the soft vs. hard landing options, with some of the hard-landing alternatives being rather more problematic than others (say: runaway greenhouse warming to the point that all land fauna > 10kg in mass go extinct, as has been suggested by some).

The question to my mind is one of: what level of civilization is sustainable?

Is it a modern technological society, say, 1950 - present? At what level of population and resource consumption?

A scientific and semi-industrial society, equivalent to, say, 1800 - 1900 or so? That's got some merits, but it would be rather rougher than has been experienced in the West since the 1950s or so.

An agrarian preindustrial society? This might preserve elements of arts and culture, but in limited forms. Think Roman empire or equivalents elsewhere.

Wandering nomadic groups?

Human extinction?

Large mammal extinction?

There's gradations of bad.
That's certainly a possibility. It would show up in HN's metrics. (perhaps not visible to you and I, though)

On the other hand, you might also see more people coming in the door. What if this makes conversation on HN so much better that more people want to get involved?

The one thing that is certain with the new system is that if your comments are abusive, they will probably not get endorsed. Perhaps at first they will (protesting 1k+ karma users) but eventually anyone who is endorsing poor quality comments would likely lose the ability to endorse.

At a minimum, I think this a really interesting experiment.
Isn't it a subtle irony? While you might be indicating that this new system is good because his comment became 'live' within 4 minutes of posting, at the same time it directly means a lot of people endorsed his thoughts that this new pending comments system is not that good? SMH...
It was hard to compare a yes/no poll with a yes/no/idk poll. So I dropped the idk. They didn't think it wouldn't work, and they didn't think it would work, so there was no parallel to the other poll.
If comment endorsing is going to scale, it needs to be very fast and easy. However, when I click an endorse link, the whole page reloads and I lose my scroll position! Clicking the up and down vote arrows does not reload the page, so the endorse links ought to be changed be changed to do the same. This frustrating behavior discourages me from endorsing comments.
How does it work? Do people with over 1K karma also need to be endorsed?
Another way to tackle bad comments issue:

Add "Follow" feature and then you can see comment tree up the nodes that are created or upvoted by users who you are following OR the users who are N-edges away in the graph. You can set N in your profile.
Yeah, this is absolutely going to hurt people posting opinions that run counter to groupthink. The fact that the contrary opinions only start showing up about halfway down the page should give you a pretty good idea of how this is going to go in practice.
You mean page rank for comments?
This perhaps marks the beginning of the end for HackerNews.

Who wants to contribute to a "community" where there is active censorship of posts critical of YCombinator companies (see Dr Chrono), or you get hell-banned for no good reason, and now this poorly thought-out "rule"?

CPerciva pointed out an obvious flaw. Another is this: if you had to start a brand new HackerNews tomorrow, would you implement the rule? Of course not, because nobody would have any karma points to begin with, so they wouldn't be able to approve or see pending comments, meaning no comments would ever get posted! Duh!

Now you could argue that the HackerNews moderators and owners have karma points and they could approve comments to seed the system... but then why not just have a private forum for all your start-up friends, invite only, so you can be sure they all speak right?!
Consumer spending will increase and therefore also tax revenues. More importantly, we can cut other programs to recover the difference.

Edit: rough calculation in other comment
I agree that sometimes the best comments are replies to otherwise "bad" comments, simply because the person replying is trying to correct/educate the bad commenter.

It's similar to Cunningham's Law – "the best way to get the right answer on the Internet is ... to post the wrong answer."

So by banishing all "bad" comments to the forever-pending state, perhaps this won't encourage the "better" commenters to come out of the woodwork to correct him/her.
Even something like a person's name change change within a generation, names once considered male becoming primarily associated with females.

Swearing seems more commonplace now even in my workplace people casualy saying fuck is as common as hello, even in front of small children. Not so long ago you wouldn't dare say such a thing in a workplace.
This is a troll comment to see what pending looks like.

Edit: OK, now I see what it looks like.
It just occurred to me that it'd actually be nice to display scores on threads when they become archived--in other words, when knowing the score can no longer encourage you to upvote.
It's not 100% clear yet since a lot of the lines are still being drawn, but it seems like users over ~10k karma do not need endorsements.

You can read more here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7445761
Hrm, yes, I should fix that.
If only there was some way to aggregate the opinions of all participants, like through some sort of voting system.
He does improve the site quite a bit. He also has made the source for it available online which is nice.
Eg, if this policy precludes 1-on-1 dialogue between sub 1k users, that would (arguably) be a dis-service. It would be "permanent" in the sense that the rules# logically don't allow a two party conversation (ie, absent a 3rd party "endorsement"). So this meets the test of "damage" and "permanence" at some threshold.

# The original ones, at least.
Right, but they can be on the front page for much less than a day, depending on how quickly we move onto discussing the next thing. And that "much less" can shrink further over time.
Even his comments on that wm config file are a great read...inspiring to see such thoughtfulness on all levels.
Having spent some time in India dealing with scattered govt. Windows infrastructure, this is amazing news. This may also open up many new opportunities in computer education and literacy which is very deficient in the country. I really hope this switch does happen.
I don't think this is exactly what you're shooting for, but I'd love to see a site like http://pcpartpicker.com/ except for bike parts, and even if it's not what you're going for, they might have some interesting features or ways of doing comparisons that you could use.

I recently used it to configure a pc, and it was a pretty awesome and smooth experience nabbing parts, and figuring out the best place to buy them online/locally. Saved me around $200 or so on my build over the lazy way I used to do it, which is just buy on newegg.

Whenever I build a bike, I go with a frame, and then buy all my own components. An easy way to summarize components, find new ones, compare weight, reviews, etc, and save parts I have to know what I don't have to buy at a glance, etc. would be killer.
I just realized that now only 10k+ users appear at the top of /newcomments, since they will be the only ones with approval at "0 minutes."
If your comment never gets endorsed and the delete goes away, does that mean you can't comment anymore? Like what happens if a pending comment is still around 48 hours later?
Looks like that bracket called that game correctly. He's still 31/31 according to that link.
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I'm turning off pending comments for now, because I'm going to bed and I don't like the idea of something this new running without me being able to watch it.

One thing I noticed while it was turned on was that the comments were actually pretty good. It may be that bad comments tend to be concentrated on particular threads, and that the right way to implement pending comments is per-thread rather than site-wide. That was actually the original plan, but it was simpler to implement site-wide, and I usually try to do the simplest thing first, in case it works.
Given the power law distribution of participation in online forums (say, 1% produce comments or moderate, 3% vote, 96% only consume), I wouldn't be surprised to see the threshold have to drop quite a bit (especially based on time of day) in order to keep the wheels turning and to overcome the drop off after the honeymoon period is over and the novelty of dealing with pending comments wears off.

Because of this power law distribution, it may not necessarily turn out to be that bad, since at any given time there may only be 3-4 comments pending for every eligible reviewer.
yeah, this is interesting to me as well. I first heard of this method about a decade ago. The bibliographic info says:

Achilleas Tsitroulis, Dimitris Lampoudis, Emmanuel Tsekleves. Exposing WPA2 security protocol vulnerabilities. International Journal of Information and Computer Security, 2014; 6 (1): 93 DOI: 10.1504/IJICS.2014.059797

I got on the Inderscience website to see what they charge for a subscription to this journal, but when I clicked the 'Subscription Price' link it hung, and now the whole site is strangely down for me...

Perhaps expensive journals are having trouble finding original content in our culture of openness?
No. It's not more net taxes. It's a change in the tax rate so the basic income is clawed back at the high end. Doesn't change tax out of pocket.
Not many people know this but Linux is already quite popular in the South (esp. in schools and government offices)
Why is it necessarily a bad thing that the number of comments has grown? This only matters if the overall quality of posts has decreased. More comments can also mean more good posts.
You want emotionally charged?

This new rule is F*ING STUPID!

We are humans, not robots!

If you agree and you have more than 1000 Karma points, please upvote and approve this message. Thank you.
The $12000 out of pocket is only if you use it because you need medical help. You don't actually spend the whole $22K unless you have a lot of medical issues, and then you'll be happy that you only pay $22K per year!

When I left my last employer, I had the same company plan under COBRA. It started at ~$1000, and then went to ~$1300 at the next new year. It had lower out of pocket expenses, but those came at the cost of more monthly payment.

My current Gold medical plan (2 years later) is $820, plus dental at $120 or so. ~$950 for Gold plan, vs $1300 for my COBRA plan (in between, I had a really crappy personal plan that covered almost nothing for ~$600)

People who have employer payed medical have no idea how expensive their plans actually are
>That feel when Hacker News became an echo-chamber for the YC schmoozerati.
> “Consider installing BOSS [Bharat Operating System Solutions] Linux as one of the mandatory operating system,”

It would be good for India to take control over it's own operating system. It would open up their market of software developers. Making the Linux community stronger is another strong benefit for everybody.
You know, I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. If there's a bit of work involved, you'll be unlikely to endorse marginal comments.

Of course, you can just middle click, so maybe that's not so effective.
A bloom filter is built on top of hash functions, not instead of them.
The worst aspect of this change for me is the knowledge that because of my sub-500 status I am not even allowed to see pending comments. I am cut off from the full discourse.

PG indicated that he might add show pending/dead comment buttons so maybe that concern will be alleviated.
There is a chance that YC had already crossed the threshold of not being money-hungry and now is in the community-building mode.

And if not. Oh well. Anyone who matters is likely to be intelligent enough to detect company bullshit/groupthink and this would be the end of it.
I'm not entirely sure how someone with under 1000 points will ever be able to get over 1000 points anymore.
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End-to-end encryption is a possible solution. Assuming there is standard for encryption that hasn't been broken yet.
As I've said elsewhere, this is a solution without a problem. The discussions on HN have tended to be one of the highlights of the site, and I worry that they may take a major hit with this change.
I agree, this is huge.