skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Radical suggestion: Add another list called say 'peanut gallery' which is where all the unapproved, unflagged comments live.

This way 'comments' filters out the noise yet HN still keeps all unflagged comments transparently available, avoiding accusations of censorship.
I guess I'm just worried that I will go to the front page and see two or more interesting stories I want to comment on and know I will only be able to pick one. I comment in bursts during breaks. I will also probably not comment on stories on the new page because it will be iffy on them getting the attention needed to not block me for a long time.
My initial reaction was WTF?

But then I thought that pending comments are somewhat analogous to the "new" page for submissions. And it sort of makes sense.

My ambivalence is that I don't upvote every comment that isn't bad, and I'm not sure I want to be responsible for moderating comments. And I certainly don't spend a lot of time wading through the new stories.

On the other hand, these days interesting threads are often swamped with several hundred comments in the first hour or two, and it seems like a lot of the comments are the same noise.

In the long run I suspect it will be a win.
Indeed. Consider this: you are a budding new software engineer, and you've used gmail since it came out. Now you start work at google. And now, google is entitled to search through your email? (Replace outlook.com/hotmail and microsoft, or y! mail and yahoo! etc)
Whether or not it will be an improvement remains to be seen. That said, I'm glad to see improvements attempted. One concern is that I've had some nasty unprofessional responses from people with high karma in the past - responses that made me question how they got the karma to begin with given their snotty behavior. What I noticed is that many had made very few contributions to discussions, but they'd racked up the points with a couple successful post submissions. So, I guess I'm a little concerned about putting moderation in the hands of people with high karma, as I'm not convinced the karma count is actually indicative of good, meaningful participation.
Replace income tax with land value tax. Then it's not redistribution of income. The argument for a land value tax is Georgist: land is not property because it is not the product of one's own labor. Therefore land 'owners' should pay rent to society in the form of the land value tax (though not on the property built on the land). That rent is then paid to society as a universal basic income.

(And to preempt those who might question why anyone would both owning land: because like any investment there is a cost that can be exceeded by profit.)
Wow my opinion of this site just dropped like a rock. Just a bunch of young dictators in the making.
I increased the limit to 5.
Ban me you fuckers. You can go to hell.
If you tie it to a dedicated revenue stream and set the benefit amount based on the revenue divided among the eligible population, you establish a control mechanism.

How do you keep some demagogue from campaigning on abolishing this mechanism and just giving people more money?
Point is, this isn't just some visual tweak to get used to or not. It's a structural change that will have visible effects on the quality of the comments.

(That being said, my answer is "wait and see.")
Ask HN: Crowd source an application to RFS 10 YC Summer 14
Let's try to crowd source some ideas for applying to RFS 10. This would be for YC summer 14. I think the energy and AI definitely have huge potential for breakthroughs and potential for to become the next Google of the world.

Energy is a pretty stagnant market with the exception of solar really. The next big thing could be more distributed generation and gathering energy from waste heat from homes, businesses and converting it to electricity. There is an immense amount of heat rejected to the environment that could be used for meaningful power. Another idea is wind: solar has been brought downmarket so home owner and not just utilities can afford it. Small scale wind could be next. Imagine turbines on building roofs, small ridges, backyards, and near parks and fields.
Custom wireless protocol of Xbox One controller
"Only if they were colluding with one another"

If everyone knows they can get basic income for doing nothing, the majority will not choose a job that pays less than or equal to the basic income.

This means businesses will have to increase wages (and costs of goods and services). No colluding necessary..just economics.
This seems like a good way to destroy all the virtue and competence that our species has accumulated over the last half million years. What is the purpose of keeping around millions of incompetents as unlovely human pets belonging to the state?
Not sure I'd go so far to call it bs.. ballpark figures are better than nothing!

At least the listed frame weights are somewhat less subjective than complete bike weights - and there are a bunch of people that definitely care about that kind of "minutiae".
-- Possible compromise for you to consider PG --

Make the high karma approved comments be the core design feature of the commenting section, yet have some filter to view all if one desires.
This was taught to me in college a decade.

"Programming language is just a syntax, the core logic of getting things done is already available in your brain."

Here is what i'd do

A) Remember what you already learnt from your favorite language

1] Syntax

2] Libraries

3] Reference Documentation

4] Organizing your code

5] Building / Running Programs

6] Deploying code to farms of servers (if you are interested in sysops, explore this as well)

B) Once you get a hang of basic syntax, start with Examples and keep making progress.

C) Pick a simple task, from what you have already solved before. Program it in the new language by expanding your skills towards 2-5 points and you are done !
It might be worth waiting a month or two to see what it's like, and then running this poll again at the end of that trial period.

I think that many people (myself included) would feel more relaxed about the change if there were a commitment that the system would be reverted quickly at the end of the trial period, if a majority of users (perhaps 2/3 of poll participants) decided that they preferred the old system.

It seems that some of the deeper concerns about this change are:
1. These types of changes often seem to be made unilaterally, without any idea of what a significant majority might prefer.
2. Changes like this often seem to be one-way changes.
>HN users with > 1000 karma. Will you actively spend time to endorse new comments?

Yes, while I regularly read HN. I'm not going to go out of my way or anything, though.
I didn't realize there was a duration set on 'delete'. It all makes sense now.
> So since this is HN... is there any way to get to an MVP without having a sovereign state to experiment with?

Seasteading might be an answer to your question.
This is an excellent observation. It takes effort to downvote someone; it takes zero effort to ignore a pending post that doesn't meet whatever your standard is for endorsement.

Basically, it turns the system on its head; it's no longer "Bad posts will be removed," it's "Your posts will automatically be removed unless someone decides that they are good."

I'm actually really optimistic about this change; it will force people to be more civil if they actually want to participate. However, it will only work if lots of people are willing to put in the effort of endorsing quality posts.
I already dislike this. :[

Not to mention this won't get seen by anybody.
Is this system current implemented so that users with greater than 1000 karma are now "moderators", or is the limit lower than that?

I have 910 at the moment, but after clicking "Endorse" on a comment it seemed to disappear from the page. It could be entirely coincidental, or was the limit lowered?

Also, I can't see an "Pending" link in the top menu unless I'm on the "Pending" page already. Not sure if this a part of having less than 1000 karma or just a caching issue/bug.
ssh is an interesting option. I had not thought of that. I would, rather, go VPN route though. It is east to use an open VPN service on a protected, but public, WiFi network.
Don't forget, in some cases, young.
Are they sponsored? I thought they were licensed?
On another notes, doesn't the H.265 has a image spec as well.
How is that getting on?
Might make sense for routine/planned services, but what would one do for catastrophic events?

I ask because 474 doesn't sound so bad to be protected against 100k in medical bills.
I saw it for a second as well, I assume it was a caching issue. Less then 1000 Karma here.
Downvotes meaning "I disagree" contribute to groupthink, no?
Can you elaborate on how a test might cause permanent damage? Keep in mind that it should be clear whether significant damage is occurring quite soon after it rolls out. (Eg. Whether comments are getting approved, rate of comments, etc.)
Just curious but, whats the reasoning behind not having a "Show Pending Comments" option along with the existing "Show Dead"?
We would then have come full circle. Robots/AI remove jobs, which causes basic income legislation to take root, which cause people to stop working the jobs the Robots/AI took away in the first place!
I agree with you. So don't tax the innovators and entrepreneurs. Leave their income alone. Tax the land owners who generate wealth for themselves while contributing nothing to society. Tax the unproductive rent-seeking wealth of those who attain their position not through innovation but through dependence on and manipulation of the political class. Institute a land value tax and leave productive incomes free from taxation. Let the landlords pay rent to society in the form of a basic income for all.

Also, ban French.
I'm seeing it at 761
There is no 'pending' link on the top menu. If I click on 'comments' I see some pending posts that I can endorse. That would probably be a good test.
Even absent the problem with with older threads, there has to be a timeout, otherwise one iffy comment risks putting you into mute forever. That is, IMO, ridiculously punitive especially in light of the warning that you should not endorse if unsure, etc.

And keep in mind that an 'iffy' comment may not even be a bad one. It is pretty common on HN for more than one person to make the same basic point as someone else in a reply to a post (because they both started posting around the same time and didn't see the other replies before making their own) but due to either timing and/or karma boost pulling one person to the top, the rest are basically ignored for upvoting -- I can't imagine that situation would be any different for endorsing. Who wants to endorse a post that says the same thing as another post which is already endorsed (but just happened to be posted 30 seconds later, or by someone with less of a karma boost?).
Occam isn't strong enough evidence to assert "near certainty" as Arrington did, with a title that definitive.
But then, what if you make one comment that doesn't make the cut? Again, you never have a chance to comment again.
I guess that would be caught by the vote ring detector or similar.
Not sure if this is a bug or not but I was able to endorse a bunch of comments and my karma is only 11.

Question: if a comment is never endorsed does that mean that user is effectively banned?
For now, things are going to be pretty silly, as everyone is paying attention to it and probably just endorsing for the hell of it. My guess is that PG started with the threshold being really low, meaning that a single endorsement will actually post the comment and that an endorser needs very little karma to give a good comment. As the karma and endorsements required go up, it will become harder and harder for bad posts to actually become viewable.

I really like this way of doing it; it starts off with the default HN and then makes the filter more and more selective.
Think of something you want to write in that language; this is the only thing that really works for me.

Tutorials and canned examples are ok, but if it's not something I actually want then I'm not really learning much.

And if you can't do anything useful in the language you want to learn, then ask yourself why you want to learn it?

Or take something relatively simple, and code it in whatever language. I did this a while back, and wrote a port scanner in c, java, perl, and python.
I meant it to go along with the rest of the paragraph. I think you'll see people turn around at the door with this policy. I would have.
Agree, I see the same. I see posts prefixed with "[pending]" and with an Endorse button in the grey at the top; I hit Endorse and the "[pending]" goes away. So I'm pretty sure the system is live.
mutually exclusive endeavors etc etc
^This makes a lot more sense to me than the one comment at a time idea. It gives people some slack and if the community decides one of your previous comments was unworthy to be in the official discussion thread, there's an incentive to delete it but also not too much time pressure on the part of the endorsers in the community...and thus on the commenter.

I predict this will reduce inane back and forth flamewars.
Mostly that I haven't implemented it yet.
Being purveyors of good taste, leaders have to take action. Despite my karma score (73) I support implementation of a solution to a known problem, despite the risks.

It provides a motive to achieve a higher score, whereas before there was little to no reason.
"Simple" bank – Is it as awesome as it sounds?
Here's an idea: Give users the option of seeing all pending posts.

I personally want to see everything and don't really care what a small subset of HN deems "worthy" of seeing.
Here is a live chart of the poll: http://hnlike.com/hncharts/chart/?id=7447055
Come Build the API Redefining Logistics
Wouldn't that mean that x-rays move faster than light (well, light in a vacuum) when they're in something other than a vacuum? Doesn't sound quite right.

This spurred me to think about how you could detect X-rays, though.

X-rays get absorbed really quickly in things like water, so it'd be pretty hard to sense them directly with an eye like ours, but I can imagine a sensory apparatus on the skin or behind a thin transparent (to X-rays) layer that would detect them.

Another cool option would be to take advantage of all of the free electrons that an x-ray creates as it bounces around getting absorbed in a solid or liquid. If you had a sensory apparatus that consisted of a conductive liquid with a voltage across it, you'd generate a current whenever an x-ray hit. This is similar to how things like geiger counters work, although I doubt an animal would be able to generate enough voltage to create an avalanche effect amplification.

I bet there are other ways, but that's two off of the top of my head.
I disagree. With the scores visible I found it easier to pick out the best comments.
I like pg constantly thinking of ways to improve the site.

But in my opinion, this is going to kill a lot of real-time commentary on posts that are only moderately popular, and it will kill discussion on scrolled-off posts almost completely, for obvious reasons.

I think pg is overestimating the number of >1000 karma users who are actively available to moderate and interested in moderating at any given time. This number needs to be fairly sizable for this system to work. I doubt it's very sizable at all.
personally, i'd rather that be unknown to avoid encouraging hive-mindedness.
The UX is very bad on that page. You click endorse, and then you have to wait for the page to load (which takes some time, I might add). So, I get to endorse one comment at a time on that page.
1000 Karma points seems quite high. I've been here 3 years and I've only got 115 points!
This is one of the most interesting posts I have seen on HN in a while. kudos
One problem I foresee: It is hard to judge some comments without context, which the pending comments page does not provide.
If a point is important, someone else will probably come along and make it ...

I definitely do not perceive this to be the current situation. The new rules will have to effect a change in behavior or much will be lost.
Volvo Introduces Cloud-Based Road Safety System in the Scandinavian Countries
Volvo Car Group has decided to use cloud technology in collaboration with the Swedish Transport Administration (Trafikverket) and the Norwegian Public Roads Administration (Statens Vegvesen) to share information about road conditions among a network of cars, ensuring greater road safety in the Scandinavian countries.
This assumes that a basic income is funded through income taxation. Instead, fund it through a land value tax (a rent on land ownership paid to society). The LVT is just the cost of investment, like any business owner renting space to run their business on.
I agree with you. But are all criminals sociopaths? Not even close...
Looks pretty useful!

A few notes:

Each page should have a unique URL. That makes it a lot more sharable.

Different markets have different bikes. For example, the CAAD X Sora (http://www.cannondale.com/catalog/product/view/id/31945/s/ca... - I'd link to it on Bike.io but I can't...) isn't available in Australia. For other manufactures we get bikes the US get - I know Cervelo had different options in Australia to the US. Edit: Another example; Giant Australia has a Revolt 1 (http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-au/bikes/model/revolt.1/149...) which you don't list.

Comparison pages need shareable URLs too - you'll get a lot of traffic from forums if people can share direct links.

In the absence of categories, showing prices next to the models would be a useful stopgap measure.

Edit 2: No way to reset the app when you want to start again.
Even if this system worked flawlessly as intended, doesn't it disincentivize getting to 1000+ karma? Unless I'm misunderstanding, your most active users don't seem to get any benefit (they see all the comments, good and bad, like everyone did before). Maybe if there was also an "unendorse" option... but then you've just implemented meta-(up|down)voting.
There is no "do not endorse" button. So the people who would downvote to disagree are not able to suppress endorsement. They can ignore the endorse button, but other people will endorse valid posts.
> That particular disease doesn't seem to have taken hold here yet. Comments that are downvoted below 1 more often are angry, abusive, trollish, or devoid of content.

I've had a few of my comments downvoted to oblivion that were contrarian and sincere. It's human nature to view things you don't agree with a more critical eye. It takes wisdom to consider the other viewpoint.

If the intent of Hacker News is to inspire discussion and open minds, then accepting contrarian viewpoints is an important step to increasing insight. At best it leads to a meaningful & evolving discussion. At worst, it forces one to have a solid counterpoint.

> Well, and no offense intended, but hopefully not, since your comment is a good example of the problem this is trying to solve. It's unnecessarily angry.

Possibly frustrated. Definitely ironic. Certainly a valid viewpoint. I think your answer is one that encourages groupthink...
quit your job and get to work racking up karma points :)
Honestly I dont trust google in the slightest. They probably have more I formation on me and my peers than any other entity in the world. I'm not saying they are utterly untrustworthy or inherently evil, I simply dont just don't trust anyone that much.

Regarding being surprised, I'm not.
If you have a hard time overcoming your gut reaction to this proposal, I'd recommend the book Debt: the first 5000 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_first_5000_Years
Disagree. Don't fix what's not broken.
There is way too little context in most of the comments in pending comments for me to decide if they should be endorsed, I really can't imagine scrolling through that page and then clicking 'parent', etc to figure out the context; particularly during rush hours when I'm already worried any click I make on this site might result in seeing the "HN Status" twitter history page.
there's also the whole thing where a compound eye enables the capture of a full light field, e.g. like the Lytro camera which uses a "plenoptic" system to capture image data that can be re-focused or used to create 3D images after being taken.

Which rather implies that a bee has a full 360 degree constant 3D model of its environment, but without the heavy memory and processing requirements needed in human vision to get that.
"Competitive" means "against alternate policy proposals". For example, Basic Job/Employer of last resort, or the current welfare state.

...people don't have jobs for the reason that employers can't or won't figure out how to hire because business is too hard now.

People don't have jobs because they are unwilling to work at low wages. This is pretty well established empirically, is the foundation of Keynesian economics, and is even accepted by both Cowen and Kling.

Further evidence for this: US companies are still outsourcing and expanding overseas.

If you give dole money to people such that it does not drive them from doing something productive...

The little data we have about BI suggests it reduces productive work hours by about 10%. For comparison, the great recession resulted in a 1% drop. As usual in articles on this topic, original sources uncited.

https://decorrespondent.nl/541/why-we-should-give-free-money...
I don't think that the line between "I disagree with your opinion" and "I think this is incorrect" is always clear, particularly when new theories or analysis is being floated. As examples:

If I state that "chocolate is better than vanilla", and you disagree with me, it's not really that you think I am incorrect; you simply just disagree with me.

However if I state that I think "[country] will do [something] in Crimea", then you might disagree with me because you do think that I am incorrect. However in that case, because my statement was speculative, there isn't a strong sense of "objectively correct or incorrect".

I think that most 'disagreements' in online conversations are closer to the second than the first.
I wonder if taking the age of an account into consideration could help. I feel that there are probably quite a few lurkers who have been here for quite some time, but haven't massed much karma since they very rarely comment, although are here all the time. Thoughts?
I'm confused; I thought this was a known flaw in WPA2 (see e.g. http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=cracking_wpa). Can anybody explain what's new about this?
I could be wrong, but I think the karma threshold for endorsing has been lowered. I'm at ~850 and I'm able to endorse comments.