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I'm glad Google has identified a need for something like this, but I don't really trust that Google has the right talent to build an operating system. They have serious problems with user experience and interface design (see: Doug Bowman). The mere idea that they are attempting to encroach on an aspect of experience as large as the operating system is to me somewhat scary.

I do hope they prove me wrong. But based on their past performance, I am not holding my breath.

Also: Google, if you're reading this, please at least make the typography render properly in this OS. You've already failed at this with Chrome, which has some of the worst antialiasing I have seen in a browser (surpassed in crappiness only by IE).
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Can you clarify your statements a bit more?

I don't think that Google Chrome OS would be suitable for most corporate shops that are generally Microsoft centric (and have been for quite some time). I think this free OS will be geared towards light users that primarily use their computer for surfing the web and checking their email.
Why? People surely said the same thing about Linus at one point.
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If their approach to Android is any guide, much of the work will consist of eliminating any GNU or GPL components from the (userspace) runtime environment.
And I am so glad about that.
Yeah - I noticed this too. It seems like they wanted to 'scoop' the story before Google announced it on their own blog perhaps? I'm not one to criticize another person's grammar or writing style, but it was unusually bad with this NY Times article.
You have to re-think what is meant by an "operating system".

What is Windows? It's that thing, in the background, that lets you run all the applications you want to run.

But what if all your applications were written in Javascript and HTML, and had URLs instead of .exe files? With all the extra power built into Chrome, they could still write to file systems, store data, work offline, do sophisticated graphics and parallel processing -- these are not hypotheticals, this is what Chrome can do right now. We're just beginning to scratch the surface of what an app written from Chrome can do.

Chrome can be an OS, for some value of "OS".
I suspect that Google is not so much developing an OS as taking a Linux distro and removing the parts that aren't necessary to run Chrome.
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I couldn't help thinking about the crunchpad when I read this.

Slap this on a tablet with a hybrid display and you might have something very interesting.
You're forgetting, though, that it is an OS that (appears) to consist solely of an environment to boot a browser as rapidly as possible. And, really, it consists more of linux kernel modified for rapid boot, probably optimized for low battery usage etc. They are not building an entire OS.
I feel that Linux can really work for the average user, it just needs some good branding and marketing.

Canonical has performed fairly well with Ubuntu but it'll be interesting to see if Google can "bring it to the masses".
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As I said below (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=693339): you've not got what they're thinking of as the OS. The browser is the operating system, and the apps are all web apps. The core of the OS is Linux, but the interface is all browser -- you don't install apps, you just type in their URL. There's hardly any OS UI they need to invent that we haven't already seen as part of Chrome itself.
For application developers, the web is the platform.... Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small netbooks to full-size desktop systems.

Does this mean an operating system that runs chrome and little else or an operating system that runs mostly chrome?
Since they say they're implementing a new windowing environment for this project, there may not be a lot of porting overlap between Chrome for Chrome OS and Chrome for your normal Linux distribution.
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I have to disagree -- $50 is 20% of the price of the cheapest netbooks, and it's 10% of the price of relatively expensive $500 netbooks. The cheaper netbooks get, the more of an issue $50 is. The Eee PC was supposed to be the $200 laptop and we're still not there.
the name is pretty crappy, Chrome means browser to everyone, what's the point of doubling it's meaning? Couldn't they come up with something unique like Google Doorway or Google Vents or Google Tunnel

if we use the Windows example, it'd go like:

Damn my windows just crashed.

The OS or the browser?
I think this is great. Most people don't know what a browser is anyway, so for them it probably won't make much of a difference. It will be interesting to see how much of an OS you can strip away.
So effectively your PC becomes a Google ThinClient.

Got all the Office Applications with Google Apps. Email/Communication with Gmail. The rest of the web. Multimedia with YouTube/Hulu/etc. Sounds like what majority of the people need. Even for work environments, would be pretty good (you can offer your proprietary application in the form of a web application).
It would have to be Windowsy, unless Chrome has its own internal windowing layer that's a suitable general abstraction.

I assumed that "windowing environment" meant "window manager" not "GUI toolkit" anyway.
I guess I just assumed that the title wasn't "How to Learn Useful Stuff While Procrastinating Online" due to negligence.

But no. If that was the title, it would be fraudulent advertising.
After being constantly reminded by trips on Metro-North, I decided to throw together a simpler UI. Thoughts?
I don't think your average user really knows anything about the OSes. For most people, the only OS they know, is the one that came pre-installed by the computer manufacturer.

Instead of good branding/marketing, Linux needs a good sales team to pitch to manufacturers. Linux will continue losing, until the manufacturers add to their custom builds: Linux (-$100) or Microsoft Windows(+$100)
Its cool broseph :) We're fine, and this has all bee nrelatively harmless. I retract my pooping on you.
RAD = rapid application development, the business term for "drag-n-drop GUI builders" that we all know and hate. Not having one for the Web is a valid criticism, but if GWT can handle Swing API input then we DO have one.
Mea culpa. I originally reviewed this code and missed it. Here's the post in the message group about this:
http://groups.google.com/group/keyczar-discuss/browse_thread...
They should have bought plan9.
If you haven't tried out the chromium nightly desktop builds, they're actually quite nice. The team is still nailing down the plugins, but the browser itself is wicked fast and pretty stable (given its alpha nature)
I recently experienced some hardware unpleasantness and have just upgraded my main desktop. I've run Windows on my DIY custom built desktops for about the last ten years (much of that time has been using XP). What have I just bought to replace my dead desktop? A Mac Pro. I won't be going back.

As a counterpoint, I have a friend who's done .Net based web development for some years. I couldn't convince him to dump it and join me in open source land, but he is just starting to get into .Net MVC. He has purchased a new high end Dell laptop that he will run Windows 7 on and this will be his main machine. He won't be moving from Windows any time soon, likely never. He says he's invested too much time in .Net. It's what he's comfortable with and that pretty much trumps anything else for him.
This denies that Android runs on top of Linux, which is licensed under the gpl. Or that the Google search appliance runs on a ton of gpl'd code, all mirrored off of code.google.com...
The lack of IPOs is not due to the fee structure of VCs. The incentive model however, continues to compensate them extremely well even though the LP's profit model is broken by SoX. Which would seem to mean that the system as a whole is broken, and that the VCs incentives are now a problem. This would seem to suggest that these incentives need to be reformed to fix the system.

More likely though is that VC will simply crash like housing before any reform happens.
using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers"

That's the most bizarre definition of "not a civilian" I've ever heard.

Furthermore, I don't trust anyone's definition of "fun" if it means "mayhem" on my boxes, and I don't trust any hackers to tell the difference between funmeisters and for-profit thugs when, for example, having a jolly fun chat about vulnerabilities. The idea that I could lurk in the scene doesn't exactly make me feel better about it.

One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun

I thought dtf and utnick said they want to keep exploits secret? So do they share the exploits in "the underground" and try to keep them secret from stodgy, above-ground types? Again, I don't trust them to distinguish between "cool" people and (e.g.) botnet operators who send v1@gr@!!! email for spammers.
Not really. You still have to be able to log in, store data, set up parental controls, deal with power management and screen savers and wifi networks, choose desktop backgrounds (assuming they don't force you to use a single tabbed window), choose keyboard/language/sticky keys, define trackpad gestures, accessibility settings, etc...

I am curious to see how they deal with this stuff.
my apologies for the gender bias, its just that right before i posted the link i sent an email to my wife, mom and mother-in-law to let them know about the article.

Also the article is about some off beat small business using social media to market themselves.
I think at this point it's semantics. 'What do you mean broken?' I would classify your above comment as an explanation of how & why the model is problematic.

I actually do agree that it's not the fee structure that's necessarily the problem. There's no reason that VCs should take 100% of the risk together with their investors.
All Google has to do is strip down Linux, provide excellent driver support, and make things look pretty. They've got the infrastructure in place with Gears, they control the browsing environment. Users don't need to know anything about Linux. All they need to know is that it's made by Google and works.
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I used to print t-shirts for a living. This site made the t-shirt forum rounds a while back as a time-saving way to convert art into screen-printable art. So to answer your question, the apparel decoration industry is a huge consumer of graphical applications that manipulate art into formats that can be output to a shirt for example. Considering a good shop does hundreds if not thousands of orders a month, subscription based auto-formatting is a pretty good deal.

Also, there are freelancers and companies that manually create vector art from any supplied format. So these guys can use this as a streamlining/base-lining tool as well.
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I'm familiar with RAD, although at least for my employer it's more than just drag-and-drop GUI builders.

It sounds to me like jeffspost is over generalizing and suggesting that Google Chrome OS will only succeed if it's embraced by large corporations. The software hasn't even launched and jeffspost has already figured out it's "one missing piece".
I second the 4100s. I had one on a loaner program, and they are sweet machines.
Wow, that's a needlessly snarky article. "Proofreading emails multiple times before sending" and having hand sanitizer are bad traits? All of these examples are vague rants on reasonable behavior.

The best complaint he has is "parking their car crooked in the parking lot", but how does that make a person "anal"? If anything, it's careless anti-social people who park crooked.

Why is this garbage being voted up?
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Had the pleasure of interviewing David when I was in Silicon valley last month, and was impressed at how down to earth a guy he was. I'm sure they'll put this money to good use.
I personally would never trust google with something as important and all encompassing as my OS. I value my privacy far too much for that, and seeing as how google collects usage data for just about every action you perform on services they offer, I'm not sure i'll ever go the google way on desktop software.
I don't think Chrome has had enough penetration among the average consumer to mean anything yet. How many people use Chrome? It's just a word; apparently they are branding their consumer desktop platform as Chrome.

Chrome is a much better name than Doorway or Vents or Tunnel. It's different than Windows. It's fast and shiny.
Well, there's always suffix arrays, so two 64-bit pointers, (plus the original char) per char?

Assuming their claim of 116,000,000 matches for /./, and 5k mean document size, 70TB, uncompressed.

Papers like "Compressed Suffix Arrays and Suffix Trees
with Applications to Text Indexing and String Matching" [1] lead me to believe that the state of the art could be as low as 4 bits/char, in which case the answer would be a much more tractable 270GB.

As far as partitioning goes, now I'm getting really out of my league. At a first pass, I imagine that you could keep the root and neighbors on a primary server, and as big of subtrees as you can fit in RAM on a bunch of slaves. The first couple chars get processed in the master, and then however many subtrees are alive get delegated in parallel to the secondary servers. The secondary servers return the answers to the primary, which returns to the client.

I feel like I'm answering hypothetical questions at a job interview :p

[1] http://www.di.unipi.it/~grossi/PAPERS/sicomp05.pdf
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Yes, if the 'k' values are predictable, then someone can extract the private key. The Python random module uses a Mersenne twister, so observing a sufficient number of signatures would allow someone to extract the key.

This is not a flaw in DSA, but a flaw in the Keyczar Python implementation. Here's the original security advisory, again: http://groups.google.com/group/keyczar-discuss/browse_thread...

PS - I was the grad student. Yes, I did get my degree, and no, they haven't asked for it back (yet).
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There's also the option of simply using a wiki. MoinMoin can render pages to the DocBook format, through which you can output to many formats, including TeX.
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My guess is that you will be in a single tabbed window, with special tabs for things like wifi, login, file browser, settings, etc (like Firefox's about:config).

At least that is how I'd do it. Just type config:wifi in your location bar to change your wifi settings. Visit config:files to browse your local files, etc. Of course, all of these can be bookmarked by default so the end user can click rather than type.

Chrome already does stuff like this with about:memory, about:network, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/About:_URI_scheme#Google_Chrome...
I wonder if there is possibility their new window system is going to replace the bloated X window system in other distributions.
And generalising that it will need to replace Windows.

They are launching it as a netbook OS for a reason. Netbooks is a loose term. I'm not exactly sure what the line is, but one definition might be a small laptop that doesn't replace your main computer.

I daresay that whoever buys this will either have another computer or have no need for corporate apps.
Why would anyone spend time eliminating GPL code in the userland of a system that runs on a GPL kernel and subsystems?

I'm not denying that they're doing it or anything, I just can't imagine why they'd bother.
People do not usually share a bedroom with anyone they are not having sex with after college.

Your experience of the world appears to be very limited. If I had to guess, I'd guess you'd never lived anywhere poor.
Looks like someone is a bit touchy about their OCD.
Never mind that the side walk is not designated as a place to spray people with super soakers?

This analogy is flawed.

However, that doesn't undermine your later argument as far as I can tell.
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It works until they can read the subconscious and can detect the thought you're trying not to think.
Neat! I hadn't seen that method before. Time to get reading. :)
With this new found power you could have custom built codecs for videos/audio. This would change a lot.

Other cool uses, would be basically turning user's computers into grid computing nodes.

Oh, and of course now being to have any language run in the browser as long as you can get it's code ported to work on their modified compiler.
Does anyone know the reason for maintaining the java and c++ version?

Why didn't they just fork the c++ conversion of the java source and be done with it?
Google did for Android so they could standardize around the Apache License for userspace. But who knows, they may not bother here. The netbook market is decidedly different than the mobile phone market, so they probably do not have the same constraints.
This is what it sounds like.

I'm reminded of the time when Chrome came out and Arrington flipped: "z0mg it's a cloud operating system!1! the future is here!"
There is. ZODB uses it to provide software transactional memory. __slots__ is just a handy feature of the default metaclass, IIRC.
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Granted the advancement of technology has brought FAR more benefits than costs

So far.

I don't think we've given it enough of a trial run. Global warming and overpopulation are two results of technological advancement that could potentially outweigh all the benefits of progress if they get bad enough.
I can't wait to try an actual version of this in a virtualbox. Betas should be available for geeks way before the netbook manufacturers get to installing it on their devices in 2010.
I think stable for a web browser these days requires flash/java support, I don't know if this has been fixed or not in the builds though. Probably less on the java side and more on the flash.
If you're a Mac user, you can also download the latest nightly build here:

http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-ma... (scroll all the way down to the latest build directory)

And yes, it is wicked fast. On my system, it doesn't even bounce in the dock before opening. It just opens. Plugins aren't supported yet, but I just open any sites that require Flash in Safari.
Phew, only two.
Proofreading, of course - but not only that, but also checking and double checking the To and Cc. I don't want my email correspondence to end up on the internet jokes website because I accidentally include 'All' in the Cc. *
And yes, it is exactly Outlook that is the very first application opened in the morning. After that I can safely pretend that I'm checking my email and read some Hacker News!

* This comment has been proofread. It has also been copied to clipboard in case my browser crashes on posting. Some spelling errors have been eliminated.
I wonder if people will be able to take this new windowing system and use it for their own purposes. That would be fantastic, if the new windowing system is good.
Nice, I'll be there.
That is my point. For the theoretical $200 impulse buy EeePc, that $50 would have been a deal breaker. Armchair strategising would have led you to that conclusion. An OS that lowered costs by that much would have been an obvious choice. That's why they originally launched on Linux.

But over time, the specs drifted up. Consumers preferred XP. They were willing to pay for it. I don't know what the median price is, but I'm guessing around $400-$500. In other words, the market has moved towards Windows. Windows has also moved towards netbooks.

Google OS could have been the default choice for netbook manufacturers at the time when there were petitions going to keep XP alive. When this launches (2010?), Windows 7 netbooks will be the default choice.

That doesn't mean this won't work. maybe people will prefer Chrome OS to Windows 7 for netbooks. Maybe it will enable $200 netbooks, almost a distinct class. If that's the case, they still need to go through the market test. Do a lot of people really want a $200 netbook?
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My condolences. You must not be feeling very good right now.

I don't know whether to agree that it's "not a flaw in DSA". DSA's failure mode is that if you ever use your private key, even once, with a single guessable random number, your opponent knows your key and can impersonate you thereafter. There are other digital signature algorithms that don't have this failure mode, such as RSA. Maybe it's better, from a "defense-in-depth" point of view, not to design DSA into new protocols.
Against themselves too. My friend started a FaceBook group called "Ambivalent Asians - for all the self-hating Orientals out there". (He is half-Chinese and half-Japanese, so perhaps he just got both heapings of racism mixed up in the same person...)
I assume that is the point. Users unable to differentiate Browser from OS.
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