skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This is a "bad thing." And here is why:

I hate roaming charges as much as anyone, nobody wants to pay 200%+ when they go to France or anywhere else within the EU. That being said, competition at least around here for mobile/3G is extremely healthy, prices have come down year on year and the choice/availability has gone up.

What I fear would happen if this went into force is that many (all?) of the smaller operators would go out of business overnight as they couldn't find a network within all continental european countries who will roam for them at a reasonable price.

Then you'll have Orange/Vodafone/etc who own a lot of the infrastructure across europe leverage that so essentially they're the only competitive player and get to set the prices however they want. They'll sell their subsidiaries roaming at X and their competition roaming at X*1,000.

Just look at the US: Their networks are inter-state, and as a result of having to cover such a large landmass it is almost non competitive. You have three companies controlling the whole country. Prices are extremely high and services/choice is poor.

I'd take what we have now, roaming charges and all, over a three network oligopoly.
To me the ineptness of the practice seems to be reason enough.

For anyone who travels, it really is a hassle in 2013 to have to put everything digital in your life on hold and stop relying on your smartphone just because you are moving around inside of Europe.

Given how small the oligopoly of those companies is, and how they charge roaming fees even when you are still using their own network (only it's another subsidiary in another country), roaming fees seems to me like a case of distorted competition.
(15a+363d)old boy + 18yo girlfriend = prison for the girl? (Assuming the sex being consensual)
Very similar to what Oliver Kreylos has been doing with the oculus and hydra controller. Check his videos out, some amazing stuff in there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_HH-ucA_Us
Explain to me, why wouldn't this merely result in the phone companies charging higher monthly fees?
This gave me the excuse to look at LinkedIn for the first time in a while.

Would some please tell me WHAT THE FUCKING OBSESSION WITH 8 POINT FONTS AND HIGHLY MUTED COLORS EVERYWHERE IS?

LinkedIn's blogs are actually not too horribly done. Font isn't full black, it's #333 (that's enough to be problematic on some screens), but at least it's a full 20px, which I can actually read. And while the columns are narrow for my taste at 650px or so (I prefer around 900-950px, or 40-45em) they're at least not horribly skinny.

For the main sight, text is rendered as light as #a9a9a9 (that's a very light grey), and most of it's around 12-14px. The main content field is around 300px wide (1/3 what I'd prefer). It literally hurts my eyes to look at the page.

And you know what I do to webpages that hurt my eyes? I close them.
I come from the German-Swiss border, and roaming charges can be a total PITA over here. If you have your phone with roaming enabled (and most people do), and you come too close to the swiss border (which happens on the train line down the Rhein river), your phone will repeatedly switch from the German network to the Swiss network and back. Even if you have an all-germany flatrate, you will get milked over here.
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The countries are: Ireland, Australia, Italy, Austria, Hong Kong, Sweden and Denmark.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23896896

(This doesn't look to be symmetric, for some reason--if you're a Three customer in one of those countries I don't think you avoid roaming charges in the UK.)
Sexual predators could easily seduce 16-20 (hell, even higher) too. Why not increase the age of consent even more if you're going by with that argument.
This is definitely not a good thing.
It is a step in the wrong direction that the European Union gains more power to regulate the market in this fashion.

The reason operators are able to charge for roaming as they do, has a lot to do with the fact that the telecommunication business isn't a free business. Currently only a select few in each country who are paying a large licensing fee are allowed to set up the different types of networks (GSM, UMTS etc).
What is happening is you grant special benefits to the operators, so they are working in a protected environment. Of course they are going to charge extra if no-one is there to bid lower.

What the EU is doing right now is trying to fix a symptom created by an already wacky system that their member states have created themselves.
The KJV is a rubble translation influenced strongly by the desires of the king. He had translator beheaded for not translating it the way he wanted.

Besides we have MUCH better access to older sources now, and what do we find? Contradictions, contradictions everywhere.
Shouldn't that be handled by existing laws - i.e. you charge the perp with rape and let the court decide?
Same here, after I've used Ubuntu for a few good years, which used to have a modified version of the GNOME destkop, I've switched to the new Unity desktop for a couple of years, until it started to ditch everything GNOME related... In the mean time, I've heard a lot of nasty things about the GNOME 3 desktop... but I made a little research about the extensions you can install and I plunged into it... and now I love my GNOME 3 desktop and can't live without it! Long live GNOME!
>They'll sell their subsidiaries roaming at X and their competition roaming at X*1,000.

I doubt that would be legal. Anyone knows for sure?
> sometimes 20$ per MB and yes, you read that right

I can confirm, just checked my data roaming rate (from the EU), it's 0.15€/MB for European (not just EU, also Switzerland, Norway or Iceland) roaming (which is already crazy expensive, my in-country plan is 0.0075€/MB even ignoring that it also provides voice and SMS); 0.30€/MB from the US and 13.00€/MB from just about everywhere else
Just Google "Vincent Kanzani", zero hits except for this story. Normally, I wouldn't complain, but I think that the idea of using fabricated, emotionally charged stories to try to "teach" is awful. People eat this kind of manipulation up, even here.
Oh please. It would have been better to clearly define age similarity. But the exception will be still there. People around here are not so happy suing as we're making love :-)

I doubt very much that less than five years difference will make any, except in some fringe case.
about:memory shows detailed report on which website uses how much memory.
Stop vulnerable and emotionally immature people from being taken advantage of.
Did you sell them a house, or let them live in it for free?
That's easily solved by making it illegal to require roaming charges from smaller operators.
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Try LyX. Nothing comes close to math in latex
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If you're drafting legislation around roaming, why not write in reasonable competition provisioning while you're there? It won't be legal if we don't want it to be.
As far as I know the EU does cap roaming charges already, and they could continue to do so in the future. But as far as I know there is no rule which forces companies to charge equal prices for their competition and their subsidiaries across borders.

For one example, Vodafone UK for £3 will let you use your "UK minutes, texts, and data" in any european country. The reason they're able to offer that is because Vodafone runs networks in most european countries.
You had mentioned that you don't understand the concept of "opening up mail". I was just making a point that it is in fact quite comparable (your analog vs digital argument).

In essence though, I don't disagree with you. It must be done for email to work at all.

"Acquiring" though, depending on how you interpret it, doesn't, unless we want spam prevention, custom filters, search etc, which obviously people are used to.

The bigger question is whether doing that to show ads is legal or not.
Because that number is the most competitive and most user-visible. When you buy your phone service, you get to compare it to the cost of other phone service providers.
I'm appalled by all the anti free market comments here. Governments have no business dictating simple contractual agreements such as this. So long as governments allow adequate competition the markets will meet customer demands.
I'll bite. Can the telecoms market support 'adequate competition'? Is the telecoms market in the US a 'free market'?
My body seems to work the same.

> or if I simply have a very efficient metabolism

It seems more like an INefficient metabolism, though. If we eat more calories and don't expend more with serious exercise OR store fat, that means we're wasting more energy than most people, not less.
Looking at Spanish teens? I bet there will be a lot of those lawsuits.
There are so many possibilities. A few weeks from now, we should have the ability for users to create, edit and share their own soundpacks.
Also, what about having your defn macro generate a second function like foo-t that just calls with-fn-validation on foo, to clean up that extra call? Would you be interested in such a pull request?
My CPU-limited nodes lost several MB/s in bandwidth, which I now suspect is caused by this.

Note that the handshake is the CPU-limited part, so a CPU-limited node benefits (in terms of MB/s) from having few clients which use high bandwidth, the opposite of these bots.
> The devil is on the details, as usual.

It is, which is why seeing such poor analogies ruins the debate. There is an interesting discussion to be had, but we're doomed to be stuck in a mire of examples with postcards being delivered by scrooglers.

Processing emails in some fashion simply has to happen. But after that it becomes a tradeoff.

I might be fine with having targeted adverts within gmail, but not on external sites. I might be fine with it anywhere, and consider my emails to be equivalent to loyalty cards.

> On a more personal level they could know that you have AIDS, are pregnant, going through marital problems...

Of course they would, the data is all there. It has to be, it's in the data you're asking them to store on their servers! What they do with that information is the important thing.

> If it's there it's ready to be accessed, leaked, stolen or taken with an administrative subpoena.

As it is anywhere.
I don't know if this still the case, but a while ago i bought an iPhone from UK (after the mini USB mandate), and it came with an adapter to miniUSB in the box. Even Apple had to abide to the new regulation.

As for the roaming charges, I completely agree. Even now, within Europe, it's really bad for data. I've traveled through 10 EU countries in the last 3 months, and had to buy 7 SIM cards, as my home carrier charges 2EUR for 5MB. I was lucky with my 3LikeHome sim card from Austria, which you can use with your home rates in a few other countries.
I really like that your defn macro generates a real function, good call on that!
NSA inserted backdoors into commercial encryption software
Was quite relaxing to watch until a huge crowd of foghorns rocked my apartment.

It does, admittedly, feed my desire for pretty realtime data.
That's my interpretation of it as well. They are not actually repairing the chromosomal abnormality, they are addressing its effects on brain development. So I presume a treated person would still have the physical appearance characteristics of Downs as well as the other health issues (I believe people with Downs syndrome are much more prone to heart disease or problems).

I also wonder if the brain growth would be permanent (remembering Flowers for Algernon)
It might, but then there are several companies to choose from and free market principles seem to work in this case. At least there's usually some local regulations keeping companies from colluding.
This deep learning method is an example from going from bag-of-words to document level analysis. To detect sarcasm, you'd have to make another leap from document analysis to personality modeling. Humans can detect sarcasm because they^H^H^H^Hwe can build a mental model of what is expected to be said—by a particular author or about a specific topic. If a statement is sufficiently contradictory to our mental model and we are sufficiently confident of the predicted sentiment, we know it's sarcasm.

Without knowing who said something or in what context it was said, even humans would fail to accurately detect sarcasm. Here are some hasty examples that could vary, depending on the author or situation:

"Michael Bay really outdid himself on that one." "That Kanye West song is so well-written." "It'd fun to build that PHP."
Your self-assessment of your subjective experience is notoriously inaccurate and biased in particular, predictable ways.
I've never really understood why the browser makers don't build this in at the browser cache level. Lots of people work in offices and end up sharing links, it could be a massive saving for everybody.
Latvia - Tele2, 9eur for unlinited domestic calls/sms+2GB of full speed, after that capped to 64kbps but still unlimited.
Three customers in Italy had the no-extra-charge-when-roaming feature already 4-5 years ago actually. That was both for data and voice. http://www.tre.it/opzioni/estero/all-estero-come-a-casa EDIT: I see there was a bit of overhead actually. not quite the same tariff.
OK, I'll be that guy.

This makes that page much easier to read. Especially the headings, which are all mashed together for some reason...

#content {
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
float: none;
width: 40em;
font-size: 15pt;
line-height: 1.4em;
}

h1 {
font-size: 180%;
line-height: 1.2em;
margin-top: 2em;
margin-bottom: 0.5em;
}

h2 {
font-size: 160%;
line-height: 1.2em;
margin-top: 2em;
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I really want to like Gnome 3 as I think they do many things 'right' (for values of 'right' equal to how I like to have them done), but then they keep going and shooting themselves in the foot. Removing features I use with new releases, insisting on shifting functionality from core to extensions and then breaking those extensions, a rather unfriendly approach towards users and so on.

So close and yet so very far
Prior art...
Apologies! The demo is tuned to be way more intrusive than a real-world data stream would be. Our theory is that if we have people's attention for 15 seconds, we should show them the full range of sound intrusiveness. Hope it wasn't too startling.
If the latter situation ever occurred, I would hope someone like Elon Musk would startup a new open source network to challenge them.
> Other new measures include open internet safeguards to stop broadband companies blocking legal but competing websites and services such as Skype

I also like the look of this. Not quite full network neutrality but in the same spirit.
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I don't think "opening" applies at all, it suggests that they are somehow "closed" beforehand and they could be processed while keeping them closed. That's not the case.

> The bigger question is whether doing that to show ads is legal or not.

Yes, or possibly "do we want it to be legal?". We've not really been using this tech for that long, certainly not at this scale. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest that we need clarification on what we want the laws to allow and forbid.
Used sharelatex for my third year project report at university. ~60 pages rendered quickly and flawlessly. Such a great experience using it compared to various desktop software and command line
The article stated that the specific ranges of ages will have to be determined by the involved judges, nothing as specific as the US' Romeo laws
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Relevant article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23984814
That should definitely be illegal.
We're looking at the sound set bug right now. Also, see my other comment about the intrusive sounds. We plan to have some demo streams tuned for real-world use (i.e. not as alarming) soon.
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Sounds like that'd fall foul of standard anti-competitive laws.
Has anyone ever tried to refactor and sort Latex out? As such a widely used and important app, it really surprises me that there would be so many problems left in the code base. It is open source after all.
I don't think it is overreach even if it is a rather strong market regulation.
The EU has the responsibility to tear down economic borders inside the EU. Just like you don't have to pay import tax when buying stuff from another EU country, you should not have to pay roaming charges.
Obviously the better solution would be the free market takes care of that by itself. It didn't. And there are no signs of it happening. So the EU regulation is a pragmatic solution.
By "we", you mean technically savvy people. The number of us who need this software but don't make enough money to pay for it, or for some reason don't want to pay for it, is likely small enough to be ignored completely.
Search Engine Optimization and the Important Keywords
Seems like we've got quite a long way to go before this is "Iron Man" quality. It looks like they've hooked up all the latest bits of cool tech to each other just for the fun of it.

Having said that, it is cool...
The Next Sereal is Coming
This is of course the right answer. And the only answer if you are actually planning something you know to be nefarious. It's going to be an I retesting law of uninteneded consequences now that only the better criminals and terrorists will escape this dragnet.
Most of the phone market is very transparent. It's just the roaming charges that make them feel like a bait and switch. Higher monthly fees are better than roaming charges, because there's clear and transparent competition there.
Fray is an increasingly safe & secure service & product trading platform.
Not at all. More hilariously maritime than actually irritating.

A minor bug report though; if you toggle playback on and off quickly you can end up with double/triple notifications for events — http://i.imgur.com/mu6Jr2o.png
Interestingly enough (Telia)Sonera has already removed (some) of it's roaming charges when roaming on their own network. I think that's quite nice of them, even though it probably was mostly a marketing move preempting this EU decision.
Antares: all-in-one build system for different microcontrollers
LOL! You mean like dismantling I+D and social net. Don't take that for granted.
Some additional info here:
http://hackaday.com/2013/09/06/antares-one-bare-metal-build-...
You are making a bad assumption: that the EU only regulates customer pricing. This is not the case. The roaming fees that operators can charge one another within the EU are also regulated.

I'm not sure about exact numbers, but at the moment I think they can charge eachother somewhere around 10 to 20 cents per minute at most (it differs for active/passive roaming). This limit would of course have to be lowered if roaming charges for customers were to be abolished.
There are currently 2 theories flying around about why we get fat - (1) lack of exercise and calories in excess + (2) a broken metabolism, currently attributed to hyperinsulinemia / insulin resistance.

People that believe in the calories theory have trouble accepting that some people are fat simply because their body is malfunctioning, while people believing in the broken metabolism theory complain about how short-sighted the calories theory is.

It is my belief that both theories are correct - some people get fat due to eating a lot and not exercising, while others get fat due to a malfunctioning metabolism.

I lost 45 pounds by cutting sugar from my diet and by eating dissociated. I'm still lazy, I'm still not exercising, but my current weight has been stable for the past 6 months with little effort and I'm 10 pounds short of the ideal.
Simply, because the monthly fees aren't already higher. If a company could raise the prices and still keep enough users such that it generates more profit than currently, it would have already done so. If they could and haven't, they're leaving money on the table that a competitor could take. Companies have a lot of incentive to hire people to notice if money is being left out, so it's not prudent to assume there is.
Do you actually have a list of similar stories? Could you share that list?
Which is the reason that they now know what Snowden took.
Maybe someone should start an Elon Musk Hacker News drinking game. Every time he comes up in a topic you drink a shot, if the topic has nothing to do with him or is ventures you drink two shots.

As far as that "idea":

- An "open source network" makes no sense at all. Open source, what? Open source customer's billing information? The Linux OS that drives most networks already?

- Elon Musk could have already done so in the US or Canada given how horrible the networks are in either country. He hasn't.

- Elon Musk doesn't work in communications currently.

- Elon Musk isn't like the joker of the deck that you can just use to solve any issue or play any hand.
Sadly electromagnetic waves are not very handy at lawbooks.
It's pretty obvious you can engineer around it. What I think is a given, is that you cannot have a global privacy "amendment" passed.

I find it surprising that you use the word "amendment". Does it mean you understand that such a proposal would have zero chance of getting passed under most governments ? If so, you must be aware that such an amendment can never apply to the internet itself, even if the US were to implement it.

Read what the ITU tried to pass during it's last meeting, and then you'll see where governance leads. Sorry to tell you this, but >70% of the world's human population lives under extremely restrictive governments, and most of them wouldn't have it any other way. If internet rule was fair, there would be no freedom on the internet, not now, not ever, nowhere. Because 300 million Americans force their way on the rest of the planet is why internet freedom exists and the only chance it has for the future (and, ironically, probably at least 60% of those Americans don't agree with their government doing this, but don't know/care).

Even Europe has more invasive laws than the NSA uses. Refusing to give up encryption keys is a crime in Europe (even for people who don't live there). The mere fact that there has to be a warrant before tapping is implemented, and that ISPs and companies can see and even fight those warrants ... well it sounds absurd to me. Companies are never trusted with this information in Europe, and dozens of different agencies (ie. all members of interpol and their components) can request information like this. Most are not bound by the rules of the government the person investigated lives in.
> So long as governments allow adequate competition the markets will meet customer demands.

This is demonstrably not the case with cell phone service providers.

Mobile telephony providers use deliberately confusing pricing to prevent price comparison. They use contract lock in to prevent customers switching contracts. They exploit the apathy and inertia of customers.

What would work in an ideal situation is not what would work with the situation we have. Tightly regulated, often government owned, communication networks are being deregulated, split off from those government owned companies, while expanding into new markets.

We need regulation to prevent incumbents from exploiting their government-subsidized position, and to protect naive users from themselves.
> purchasing emoji stickers

> people over-sharing mundane details of their lives

> games with for-pay DLC

> "Don't worry, we won't sell your personal information or share your private conversations with the government. We promise." <- bullshit

Sounds awful. Thank you NYTimes for un-selling me so efficiently.
I don't think we really know. There is some evidence that you are "born with" your sexual orientation, some that it is shaped in early childhood, some that it is due to a mix of factors (e.g. a predisposition and a "trigger"). But I readily admit I don't follow research in this area.