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> No, it's hyperbole. It's unsupported nonsense.

Do you think repeating yourself makes you right? It does not. You've not earned any kind of right to dismiss the matter with statements like that.

I actually looked at the age of your account before replying because I thought you were a troll. Unfortunately it looks like those suspicions were well-founded. 822 days - wow, you bided your time.
it's too bad half the links cited in this article say (paywall) behind them. /rant
It was downvoted likely because it was off-topic and added nothing to that discussion.
Except it doesn't solve the traffic analysis problem. It doesn't because it can't. Out of the list posted by the GP the following aren't fixed by mailpile and can't be because it has to use SMTP:

modern content encapsulation / PKI / mandatory authentication / SPAM control.
The Monica Lewinsky based impeachment that wasn't followed by a real trial in the Senate was about perjury, not catching someone in bed (if the latter it was the worst kept secret in US history, do a search on bimbo eruptions). We (used to) expect better from our Presidents.

"licensable" firearms? I don't know what benighted jurisdiction you live in, but in mine we don't need no stinking licenses to buy or own them. We do need one to carry concealed (only a handful of states don't), but that's in part a different thing, but it still makes certain acts of terror more difficult and expensive. Please read the discussion I linked to which touches on that, and don't doubt for a second that the more forward thinking/paranoid or whatever members of the RKBA community aren't working through how to operate in an era of pervasive surveillance.

As SF authors and readers have for decades and decades, I'm checking now and the first story I read on this theme was "The Hunting Lodge" by Randall Garret, first published in 1954 in Astounding, I read it in the early '70s in a superb 1968 Robert Silverberg collection Men and Machines.

And pay attention to the maxim "Professionals discuss logistics".
Yes, sorry - I did not mean it in a derogatory sense, more like "Even with these changes the idea won't work". In hindsight, a far too aggressive way to state it, mea culpa!
Another site bites the dust. Groklaw joins Lavabit, Silent Circle
> making PGP easy to use which solves the lions share of the issues

Does it encrypt the "from" and "to" headers?
My point is that it is, objectively, a gargantuan, costly, and difficult effort to make a significant change to U.S. federal law. Wishing it was easier does not make it so.

My disrepectful tone was not nice and I apologize for that.

I just get so frustrated when I see people who seem unwilling to face that reality. Your comment above read to me like a hopeful programmer saying "I've read a few books and done some coding exercises but none of that seemed to create the next Google." (And yes, I am saying it is that hard to make big changes in the law.)
> Do you think repeating yourself makes you right? It does not. You've not earned any kind of right to dismiss the matter with that kind of language.

You are not the arbiter of discussion.

> I actually looked at the age of your account before replying because I suspected you to be a troll. Unfortunately it looks like those suspicious were well-founded. 822 days old - wow, you bided your time.

Ironically I was just discussing how irrational conspiracy theorists use contradictory information to confirm their existing beliefs. Thank you for providing me with a perfect example.
"It's just my perception that those who exercise more in their youth tended not to be the best students."

There's also the perception when you're younger (or at least distinctly for me and the people I grew up with), that being smart was 'boring' and being sporty was better, so they wouldn't apply themselves in lessons because it wasn't cool. I imagine a lot of them were plenty smart, but they might not have let on.
'Electric cars for everyone! Woohoo!'

^^ that's the exciting bit, right?

However, you don't get there without Tesla. Why not?

Because you can't compete with low-margin products in a low-margin industry, and still innovate in a sector where you need lots of R&D, where component costs are currently expensive but are expected to drop over time, etc.

Even the much-celebrated entry, at scale, of other manufacturers into the electric-car market is due to Tesla.

Tesla is kinda like Apple in this. They built a very adventurous, dangerously new, premium product, and really committed to it (think mac/iphone; like Tesla, it's not like there weren't other similar products/concepts, but a good consumer product hadn't existed). Upon market validation of the concept, other people jumped in (windowed PCs with initially non-clipping windows; initially crappy android phones).

The reason this is exciting? Because: 'electric cars for everyone! woohoo!'

IT'S VALIDATED THE MARKET! They've waded into a real, big industry, taken on incredibly ambitious problems ('start a car company', 'make an electric car'), and in the process created demand for a new premium product, something the market 'didn't know it wanted'.

Without Tesla demonstrating that there's a premium market segment here to be targeted -- essentially doing market research for larger companies -- we don't get there as fast.

Other people invented (windowed desktops|electric cars). But without (Mac|Tesla) productizing it successfully, how many years would it be before the consumer enjoyed (windowed OS'|electric cars)?
It's over designed right now but its software adaptability makes it essentially future-proof. In 10-15 years it will still be useful.
The problem with this is that it is basically this "server x supposedly receives stuff and then sends stuff on without linking identities A and B".

What if I don't trust server X to really be doing that?

What if the government contacted owner of server X and altered the software not to do that?

The system I am designing keeps anonymity without any need to trust the server. Hence the name. Don't trust anyone.
Removal of an element in a vector is definitely O(n), regardless of cache effects.
Am I the only one that finds this part more Orwellian than any of the actual leaks? To me there's a fundamental difference (though I hate both) between collecting data, and attacking people who politically disagree with you and attempting to destroy data you don't like.

Book burnings general don't end well for the party in power.
The purpose of the hashing work in bitcoin is to solve the Two Generals Problem. The purpose of widespread expensive encryption of emails is to make routine decryption impractical. Two different problems, which don't have much in common besides having a solution involving computers doing work.
The NSA doesn't care what's in my message. They care who sent it, who received it, and when it was sent. None of those things are protected by PGP.

Heck, they often get the source IP address and subject line, which is just a bonus.
Screen only as instrument cluster behind the steering wheel is nothing new, other cars have this already. But I'm wondering, is that a live video of the road in front of you projected in that display?
How would it have prevented more reporting of Snowden files? Rudsbridger said the US division will continue publishing.

In another comment in the Guardian Rudsbridger mentioned only the potential liability, not the impact to reporting.
Maybe not, but C++ is much more than just plain STL.
Keep watching. Tesla's next car is supposed to be the "Model C" mass-market sedan.
No, that is exactly the only way to do it right.

If I visit a link on HN, I want to reach the same site everyone's talking about. Not teslamotors.de or somesuch crap. I'm looking at you, Google, among other offenders.

Offering a localized site, in a clearly visible but unobtrusive way, is a good choice and I'd like to see more sites adapt this pattern.
This is exactly it, the government is waging a war of technological means just as fervently as one of political means. There's no reason at all to limit our confrontations to the political arenas.
Pointing out that Facebook likes don't increasing rankings doesn't debunk Google +1s. Obviously you know if they do or do not affect rankings. I'm not sure you would tell us if they actually were used as a signal in rankings because that would lead SEO's to focus on +1's in a way similar to what happened with pagerank. It could also lead to +1 spamming/exploiting.

Not that I'm going to believe you anyway, but I just want to clear this up. Are you, Matt Cutts, saying that +1s make no difference in Google rankings?
That principle fits, when training you have to make progressions and move up a weight level or increase your reps, or you plateau and don't see as many improvements. I imagine it's similar for 'mental muscles', you'll need to push your boundaries to build your levels.
As a UK resident, I feel like I can speak to the question of whether we can describe the UK (I pass no judgement on the US) as oppressive or a police state, so here's my take on it.

I don't necessarily agree that GCHQ or the NSA spying on UK subjects is a great idea, I don't like the idea that all of my communications are collected and available to analyse should I ever blow anything up or should someone in GCHQ take a disliking to me, but if I consider issue at hand, ie, do I feel oppressed or do I live under a police state, I'd say the answer is categorically no, I do not.

I do not live in fear of the police kicking down my door because I voiced an anti-government view online. I do not believe that if I openly start supporting the wrong party I'll "disappear" as happens in other countries. I believe that elections in the UK are free and fair (for the most part) and I also believe that if a party came along that tried to turn the UK into the kind of country where those things were a reality then they would be sharply booted out of office.

I also, incidentally, believe that if a party came along whose main policy was that they'd fiercely protect everyone's privacy they'd get precisely nowhere in the polls. Not because of any big conspiracy, but because people care more about their taxes and wheely bin collection rota's than about whether GCHQ knows who they email and why. Everyone I've spoken to on the subject already assumed they knew that anyway due to the fact that they are a spy agency. The tech-crowd's collective anger over the Snowden revelations isn't mirrored amongst the general population - at least in my experience. If it were, then no doubt things would change. That's how democracy works.
jaquesm said:

> Religious fanatics are committing atrocities all over the world ... in the US they shoot each other and innocent bystanders or professionals

This is really just a platitude.

If we call anti-abortion attacks "Christian terrorism" (and we certainly should), then there have been 8 deaths in 16 years from fundamentalist US Christian terrorism.

Compare this to the nearly daily, and sometimes more, bombings, shootings, and executions carried out by fundamentalist Islamists. Adding up to thousands of deaths and hundreds of attacks every year, Islam is several orders of magnitude more violent than any other religion (specifically 10^4 or 10^5, depending on what you are comparing it to).
Nope.

You can't encrypt the message headers, so the To/From addresses, subject line, sender's IP (usually), and timestamp will all be recoverable.
The problem with P2P is that you need "Ps" online at the same time in order to exchange data. One of the elements that allowed for the email revolution was the asynchronous nature of exchanges: I'll send an email now and you'll receive it whenever you're online. Requiring coordination is a non-starter.

Personally, as long as the encryption was entirely done client-side with opensource tools, and done properly (i.e. not involving keys stored on the actual server), I wouldn't mind making my messages go through hostile servers. Of course the NSA might be able to dedicate enough resources to break them, but they wouldn't have enough to break everyone's messages at the same time. If global surveillance were only possible with a two/three-year timelapse, that'd be a good enough window in most cases.
I thought the anecdote about 1st class trains in London being socially unacceptable was an interesting cultural anecdote. I've ridden Amtrak in the US both steerage class and first class and no one thought it was overly interesting or revolutionary. Perhaps because it was like an art deco day dream rather than decorated like an "Edwardian-era New Orleans brothel" per the article. Hmm, that gives me an idea about instituting a "mile long train" club... which would be pretty easy to implement in the 1st class cabins, not so easy for steerage.

One interesting experience WRT 1st class trains is unlike the authors strange ideas about sitting on spikes in a bus, the primary difference between steerage and 1st class on Amtrak trains was privacy. My own bathroom, my own closed cabin, etc. Same food as everyone else (although it was "free" with the ticket price). Same view out the window, we didn't get there any sooner than anyone else...

Oh and the 1st class only lounge in the Chicago station has to be seen to be believed. That alone might be worth the ticket price. Even impatient me, in luxurious enough surroundings, didn't mind waiting an extra hour or so. Its not like any airport waiting room I've ever seen.
Just out of curiosity: What interest could the NSA possibly have in Groklaw mails?
I'm struggling with this - he is the editor, he supports his reporters when they are harrassed, he throws an idiotic government move into sharp relief, he is still pumping out page one stories when the rest of the press think "Prince says baby son is rascal" is news.

We are not living in 80's Poland, or 30's Russia, or modern Iran / Syria. So on the spectrum of courage-shown-by-news-editors he is never going to choose between his family and his editorial page, but he is doing better than all the rest of his peers - and we sorely need it.
> I think that's a slightly narrow-minded view of it, as there's no black and white single line between being a conspiracy theorist or not. It's all subjective, and while some conspiracies most of us may agree are obviously that, others can be far more subtle/debatable.

You'd be surprised how often it comes up, see this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6244147

The user begins by saying I might be a troll due to having a young account, finds my account is old, but uses it to confirm his belief rather than realise I am arguing honestly.

> Not that long ago, people who believed the NSA were spying on people to the extent that we now know they are

We still don't actually have any particularly firm knowledge on exactly what the NSA is doing. I blame a lot of the reporting to be honest, but many systems like this have been theorised by perfectly rational people for a while.

> All in all, there are two options about 9/11

This is a little bit of a false dichotomy, but there is no chance whatsoever that any of the major conspiracy theories are valid. You don't have to trust me on this, just go and look at the website of the largest activist group, AE911Truth and read their self contradicting list of evidence.
And likely have plain-jane, no TLS SMTP mail being delivered which means it's trivial for your upstream provider to read your (unencrypted) email.
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Fuck the NSA.

Dear NSA: I can and will be designing a fully anonymous open source distributed messaging system that is entirely secure even if you tap every line in the world. At the very best, you will be able to accuse people just of running the software. If you don't like this, I'd advise you that your only option is to hire me and/or pay be enough money to become disinterested in finishing the creation of the software.
Yup, I love that the correlation for "Facebook shares, like, comments" (though those are three different things) is listed as 0.03 less, even though I've pointed out multiple times that Facebook doesn't exactly make it easy for Google to crawl Facebook to see that data.

Your point #3 is critical: high quality things get more +1s (and tweets, and Facebook likes or comments or shares).
> people are finally starting to realise it's bullshit

Unfortunately when this happens, we have white flag terrorist event happening, caused and sponsored by government, just to put people back in their places. It seems to always work :(

I really don't know what the solution is, but this is not about pushing the switch that will always jump back (if you understand my analogy). We all need to come together and push it so hard that it will immediately switch over to the other side. Those in charge who says that kind of bullshit will stand on our side. Military called in to "cleanup" will refuse. Those who are about to declare "martial law" will declare those who tired to gave that order, terrorists.

This is the only change that, at this point, will work. Any other attempt will put you in jail for long time or life, will get your belonging confiscated, your family scrutinized and God knows what else.
>> Let's start with correlation != causation: http://xkcd.com/552/

I like this one better:
http://gizmodo.com/5977989/internet-explorer-vs-murder-rate-...
why not? is not the core of "hacking" finding alternate ways to solve problems working out side the rules meta gaming if you will.

How is not propaganda and direct action not hacking the political system.

And
Major Android YouTube App Update Being Pushed (with APK)
Actually, they quoted that point in this article:

> Back in 2011, folks may remember the controversy that erupted when Moz found a similar correlation between higher rankings and Facebook activity. At the time, Google claimed they didn't use Facebook shares for ranking websites. Dr. Peters concluded that the relationship between Facebook activity and higher rankings was likely not directly related, but probably caused by overlapping factors such as links and high-quality content.

> Now in 2013, there's strong reason to suspect it's different with Google+, and that the relationship between +1s and higher rankings goes beyond correlation into the territory of actual causation.

While Facebook / twitter are lagging signals from google's access perspective, G+ is contemporaneous: "Posts are crawled and indexed almost immediately"
Poor choice of title considering the article you linked to doesn't contain anything resembling your words "Fck Middle Management. The article only states that management can 'often' (not always) be inefficient. Additionally; this is not really a guide to a better work life either. Did you link to the wrong blogpost?

Absolutes; like implying that all middle-management is bad, are generally incorrect. Things are never black or white. So when you paint an extreme, you are almost always guaranteed to be wrong. In this case; middle-management can be cumbersome or bureaucratic, but very often also can be helpful, important and necessary. I hope you aren't arguing that all middle-management worldwide is useless; because that would just be silly.

I'm making the effort to comment on this; because I'm increasingly noticing that contributors to Hacker News impose their own beliefs upon a link they submit. By making a title more sensational, you are also making it less nuanced. This doesn't do justice to the writer you promote, and is unfair to the readers at Hacker News.

Edit: rephrased.
Edit 2: If you are the writer; disregard the last paragraph ;-)
I really wish people would stop calling this language JavaScript. It's not. Its proper name is UnityScript, and it's more like Jscript.NET than anything else.
You can also implement a simple version of channels (go's concurrency model) on top of something like that, with just one more page of C: https://github.com/danluu/setjmp-longjmp-ucontext-snippets/b...

https://github.com/danluu/setjmp-longjmp-ucontext-snippets/b...
How do you rate limit users? Are not originator traffic and pass thru traffic indisquishable, so a receiving peer cannot tell the if a node is just well connected and has a lot of traffic on behalf of others, or is an abuser?

And how to measure forward rates?
Yes. Being a bit Theo de Raadt here, but it's a stupid proposition which makes security guarantees that are disingenuous.

a) This assumes that everyone is going to be using Mailpile or something which makes PGP easy to use. This is unrealistic. The moment you fart out an email to gmail, it's useless.

b) this assumes people actually understand PKI. This is unrealistic. Most people can't even manage their own data let alone a mail server hosting environment or a private key securely.

c) Security is still optional. It uses the same insecure protocols as a baseline.

d) It doesn't solve endpoint / mailbox security.

e) There is no technical information or credibility. It's not been field tested, no security reviews have taken place.

f) PGP only encrypts the contents, not the envelope. The envelope is enough to warrant digging out the $5 wrench and whacking you with it until the key appears.

I'm proposing verifiable mandatory protocol level encryption and authentication end to end (MUA to MUA) which is the RIGHT solution. If there is the ability to plausibly deny a message then that's even better (which goes against sender verification so this should be choosable).

The only thing going for it is it looks like a reasonable webmail client (probably better than roundcube)
I thought we had that discussion, decided that this material is not remotely treasonous, and moved on to the more interesting questions that follow.
I remember watching an interview not too long ago about Elon being disappointed with how slowly the regulations around cars are to change. He mentioned specifically putting cameras in place of the side mirrors, and how Tesla petitioned to have the laws around it changed about 3 years ago. Looks like they succeeded in getting the laws changed.

Seems weird that they went for the SUV crossover next. Although I guess that's the next rung on the ladder in order of bringing the price down. Fancy 2 seater -> Fancy sedan -> semi-fancy suv -> semi-fancy van | semi-fancy car.
Indian version of 'Code for America' ;)
Does the existence of entities like the ACLU and EFF not count as "organized"?
johnward, I know of at least one other SEO that has been doing a more rigorous study of whether more +1s lead to a higher ranking. I suspect that study might come out in the next month or two.

Suffice it to say that I would be very skeptical of anyone who claimed that more +1s led to a higher search ranking in Google's web results.
So, why not? Has it been experimentally shown that +1-based ranking performs worse?
The masses will always use the internet, and they're the real targets. Google, Facebook, Apple, and Twitter won't be shutting down anytime soon.
will this also lead to a mass exodus in HN users? given the ferocious posting in these threads will all those now also go offline?

will yc now only finance startups that deal with encryption and freedom rather than the next social/local/sticker thing? will elon musk create the hyperloop for freedom?
Google has plausible deniability here: "Unlike Facebook, which hides data from Google, or Twitter, which directs Google not to follow most of its links, Google+ data is immediately and fully accessible to the company that built it." Neither can turn around and argue about monopolistic practices because google can say that twitter and facebook refused to give them data (and they would use those sources if permitted)