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My reading of the speech (full here[1]), was the opposite of your conclusion.

She makes the case that people are naturally passionate about (different) things, and should be free to follow that passion.

She makes the case that many jobs could be automated out of existence, if the objective was to free people from the need to work, rather than to perpetuate a status quo that keeps them tired and passive.

These are fairly common thoughts, on the new left. I know that in the 1970s in the UK, it was expected labor intensive manufacturing jobs would be replaced by automation, and the government had conferences to decide what to do, to give people purpose without work. As it turned out, the jobs were destroyed, by outsourcing in the 1980s, and a great bulk of service jobs that were unnecessary just a few years before were created to take up the slack.

Western economies are hugely over-weighted towards the service sector, but think - in a country where 40% of jobs are industrial, how do they get by with such a low proportion of servants? Does it not follow that those jobs are unnecessary?

Isn't it immoral to force people do do them? Shouldn't we recalibrate society so they don't have to? So they can spend more time creating, launching startups, live longer due to earlier retirement?

Personally, I'm on the fence on this one. I get a lot of purpose and enjoyment from my job, and not having one takes a huge toll on the unemployed. I find it hard to understand why unemployed friends don't just create jobs for themselves, to provide the self respect they so desperately want. Maybe people need a system that creates jobs for them so they can have a purposeful life.

But anyway, the ability conjure up dedication towards a chosen goal? Certainly that would make you a productive god, a robot even, but not (according to the author) a fully realized human. That would require passion.

[1]http://americaviaerica.blogspot.com.au/p/speech.html
Yes it does, thank you.
Google translate of his about page on youtube:

I used a 2-axis acceleration sensor. Is located in the head it. It then measures the gravity mainly. The measured value, by the angle of rotation will change me. --- I will zero gravity measurement value measurements of the axis when the axis of the sensor was leveled to the ground ---. Position in the rotation I was divided into four regions. To detect the falling signal rising and in (up, down, left, right) the boundary position. (With a threshold detection value zero gravity fall detection circuit and rising that). I was triggered by a combination of (H, L signal using the threshold as zero gravity detection value) of H and the raw signal, L signal. Based on these signals, and to determine when to stretch or bend the leg.
You can't be careful enough unless you abstain from saying what you mean. I think that's the whole point of this Linusgate.

You think Linus is mental. You can't massage it out to be non derogatory unless you give up the content.
> If your boss or your client would talk to you in that tone you would call it verbal abuse.

Are you referring to the email we just read? Because I find nothing at all offensive or inappropriate about it. A forceful dressing down to be sure, but not disrespectful.

I think this line is important:

I'm not polite, and I get upset easily but generally don't hold a grudge
I assume (incorrectly?) you're female. Believe it or not, plenty of women are fine with and participate in profanity. And plenty of men don't.

At lunch I said, "That's a good fucking burger." Female coworker says, "Goddamn right it is." This doesn't have anything to do with gender - it's about culture. Some people can handle profanity in the work place. The rest can fuck off. </joke> The rest can get a job somewhere more professional.
That's true, and it works well for subjective or popular topics. However, it works much less well for highly specialized, technical topics. I have noticed that quite a few very technical, or highly specialized articles end up with just a small handful of comments. This is a problem in research because just about everything is technical and specialized.

Another problem is recruiting enough people to actually review all the research produced. HN has a handful of links per day. There are tens of thousands of researchers around the world doing work. Peer reviewers aren't generally compensated monetarily, but they have a strong moral incentive to help out and review articles, especially if they themselves have published in the journal in question.

Again, I don't want to come across as defending the entire system. There are certainly things to be improved. All I'm saying is that I don't think the answer is to just tell everyone to start a blog. It's an appealing idea from a populist, egalitarian, and perhaps "hacker" perspective (just get the information out there!), but the current system provides a bit more than a simple communications medium.
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Right but the analogy breaks down in the sense that: Linus is responsible for the developers who won't move. They're his team.

You're basically saying that you want the fruits of Linus's labor without Linus there to do it?
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That was low, I don't agree with him, but seriously that ad hominem was disgusting and out of place.

I am now poorer for the time wasted replying to your post.
Moral laws are sooooo vastly different among people that an attempt to adhere to them will equal to general anarchy.
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I don't know if you're aware of this initiative regarding reproducible research in networking:
https://reproducingnetworkresearch.wordpress.com/about/

It seems to be about providing full code to reproduce experiments using MiniNet.
>"He has led one of the most important human endeavours of the last hundred years..."

No. Let's have just a modicum of perspective. That's not to belittle Torvald's achievement or contribution to computer science, but on the scale of importance generally it's way down the list.
I think it's fine that Linus act that way in the context that he's in. However, there are far too many people agreeing that his way is the best way in all environments (or at least, in all "professional" environments). The reality is, each context is different. There are times when he's not going to curse at people. When he's not going to act the way he does.

Which leads to my point: you shouldn't be using his reasoning to justify your own actions. You are not a kernel developer replying to people on the kernel mailing list (unless you really are =)).

The fact that people look up to him and admire him does mean his cursing and attitude does have a harmful impact: people see him doing and use that as qualification for their own attitude.

There is also the assumption that professionalism means a lot of negative things. The truth is, it doesn't. Being a professional isn't about office politics (despite what some might want to believe). Professionalism is all about context. To slap a definition to professionalism and assume it applies everywhere equally means you need to accept those defining profanity as abusive everywhere in all context.

Basically, if you are using Linus as a justification to allow you to curse or be rude, you are doing it wrong and missing the point.

p.s. I should also note that I believe that anything that worth doing well takes effort. And while it's easier to skip being polite all together, I find that it's usually worth the effort. In the end, you spend less time dealing with discussions of profanity, and get to discuss the actual point. Context matters of course, which is why it works on the kernel mailing list, but not in many others.
I think his position isn't "If you don't like it, get out", I think his position is much better summarized by the quintessential hacker ideology: "lead, follow, or get out of the way".

Linus is leading. So challenge his leadership, follow the man, or get out of his way.
I'm not chiding him. I'm describing him.

I don't have a problem with his attitude. I wouldn't like working with him, but I at least accept it.
If you meet me in real-life I'm pretty relaxed. I've even been called a pleasant person, too!

I'm just getting a bit jittery whenever someone tries to regulate free speech.

If you think I'm an asshole you are hereby invited to meet me at the OHM in a few weeks and yell at me. :)
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I wondered the same thing. I remember reading the key to Red Bulls success was when they started mixing it with liquor.
I think this shows incredible insight for a 18 or 19 year old. Going against the grain will certainly provide more resistance, but if she moved that way after this speech, I think she's already an 'artist', at least in the Seth Godin sense of the word.

Is the new absolute standpoint a little naive too? Sure. And a little bit of a big jump from where she was? Sure. Binary Search algorithm on figuring out her 'self', and she's got a real early start on it.
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All of these services could provide convenient key exchange, web-of-trust, secure email and storage, and secure communications services with ephemeral keys. They might have to charge money to do so, but they could all raise the cost of surveillance by orders of magnitude, if not make it impractical, and remain within US law. If they wanted to.
>you objectively should feel extremely dumb about it.

Precisely, but that is the for the person themselves to feel and not to be told. If you get off on telling people they are lesser beings than you then there is something intrinsically wrong with your impulse control; it's called learning, and the day the world makes that a shameful thing is the day we all return to the middle ages.

N.B, this was specifically related to he/she having to feel dumb for even thinking it. Doing something when you have no expertise in that field is an entirely different kettle of fish. It seems in this case he/she would have been insulted for contemplating the idea inside the boundaries of his/her own mind..
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Please don't insult me like that without at least reading the article I posted, which directly supports the statement "it's impossible because of the laws of thermodynamics"
I agree. I wonder if they appreciate how frustrating it is to deal with their licensing. Even more than price, small IT departments want to just get out from under that wet blanket. Why Software Assurance? It's all to Microsoft's benefit. If a company wants to upgrade then let them pay the discounted price and upgrade on their own schedule. Don't turn it into an annuity for the vendor.
right, i should have been more precise. london has infrastructure for bicycles but just not the important ones. read what harry rights and then check against the infrastructure you listed. apparently actual needs aren't fulfilled in london.

the two most important things are:
- segregated bicycle paths
- forgiving attitude towards bicycles by drivers

those should have top priority, the rest is icing on the cake.
photo of a bicycle path in copenhagen: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4119/4735055023_b1b8425c8b_b....

but maybe i am biased. i would give up all the things you mentioned for wide, segregated bicycle paths as i just love a safe and stable ride on my bike.
I agree with everything you say.

The problem that you don't explicitly mention is that people see Linus behaving this way and feel it's acceptable, and they carry on that behaviour.

Some open source environments are toxic and horrible and it's hard to correct that when you have very public figures acting in that toxic horrible way.
What a full load of BS.
Calling someone a douche is constructive criticism. If I call you a douche, it means you're acting in self-centered, antagonistic manner that aggravating the relationship.

Of course some people don't care about that. People don't fix things they don't feel are broken.
Bush didn't want to wipe his butt without permission. That's what happens when you elect a weak leader with no experience and it's at the root of what's happening now with Obama. These guys were and are over their heads. It took Bush 6 years to grow a pair and actually stand up to Cheney. In a vacuum of leadership, stronger personalities dominate. Say what you will about that horrible troll monster, Cheney does not want for personality.
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It would be fun as a augmented reality game with smartphones.
I don't understand why talented artists and programmers sink their time in projects that are so likely to get shut down by the IP's rights holders. Why not put all that effort into creating something new that they completely own? Are people so smitten to franchises?

Remember how Square Enix shut down Chrono Resurrection (Chrono Trigger 3D fan remake)? All that work down the drain, and it was such a predictable outcome, too.

Maybe this is a way to get attention. Get your project noticed, get a C&D from a big company and generate even more buzz, then change the game's theme and retain some of the original fan base.
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So do US laws. If you actually read the Bill it usually has a factual and direct title and then the second line will be "Also known as the Bunnies Are Cute Act."
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Yeah. Like I said, not worthy :)

I've started looking through it. It's very clever, most of it beyond my ken, but even the technique with the image template of '#'s is a treat when you start to see how it works.
And if you're the sort of person that can excel at anything they put their mind to, just because they want to, then the world is yours to do with as you please.

That doesn't make you a robot, it makes you a god.

There is no such "sort of person". Which is fine, because that person is a strawman of yours: that graduation speech is about people who can excel at anything others put their mind to. Being the best at following orders is like the top price from the consolation price shelf of skills. As Plutarch said, the mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled, and if you can't distinguish the interesting from the idiotic assignments, and fulfill them all with equal dog-like obedience, that's not very smart, and to think otherwise would be just as naive. If you don't, then that's not your graduation speech.

There is nothing wrong with learning for tests instead of coming up with your own challenges, or with learning instead of being lazy, or a mixture of both. There isn't even anything wrong with fulfilling the expectations of others even, as long as you know why you're doing it. If you don't, if you fulfill them just because they're there, not even to relieve your boredom but to because others expect you to, then you ARE on a conveyor belt without even knowing why and how you got there, rationalizations nonwithstanding.

Do you think people who blindly follow orders grow on trees, or are aware of the fact that's essentially all they're doing? Because I'd say no to both.
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Pleasant ≠ profanity free. I identify fully with Linus' stance of profanity bursts followed by no-grudges held. A common professional profanity free, revenge backstabbing, work environment is much much more unpleasant.
I'm still waiting for some bold soul to come forward and tell us that tables are the way to go instead of wasting hours upon hours on half-assed CSS imitations of tabular goodness.

Fuck semantics!
And it even stuck the landing. Very cool.
They didn't mention censoring anyone.

True that, I will try to get a bit less triggerable about this.

Do you have one single way of expressing yourself? Do you use profanity 100% of the time? Do you automatically reject all feedback on how you express yourself? ... On how you write code? ... Or how you interact with your colleagues?

No, of course not. I have however come into contact with quite a few people who tried to censor me before, that might be the reason why I'm so easily "triggerable" with this.
But it's debatable that it actually scares anyone off...

This is not about grinding newcomers to the LKML, this is about the type of communication between people that have known each other for quite some time, and are well aware of each other's technical "sensibilities".

True, the LKML is also known to be a bit harsh to newcomers. But only in a sense that newcomers are often unaware of the high technical standards that the kernel abides to, and often resent the level of criticism or suggestions for change that they receive.
I know what you mean, but you writing "Job's" (as in the biblical character) instead of "Jobs'" gives this post an interesting angle.
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>> Them paying more would either relieve the burden on other parts of society, slow down the debt accumulation (even just a little bit), or allow the government to spend more on public services.

But this is exactly what I'm saying, the more taxes we pay, the more the government spends and create debt. The only way out of this vicious circle is _less_ spending, not more tax. We've been doing more taxes for 60 years and we have more debts than ever.

> Are you seriously saying that the reason Google has no competition in France is because they pay less taxes?

>> Maybe, who knows?

Ok, you're just not being honest right now just to win the argument. Or you're delusional.

>> This is a pipe dream, and any flat tax I've ever seen proposed is highly regressive, loading the burden onto the middle classes

I don't know in what world you live in, but here in France, the burden is already on the middle class. The rich are all domiciled outside of France where they pay much less (around 10 to 15%). A low flat tax around 10 to 15% would bring them back as they would have no interest in going abroad. Many countries have a flat tax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax#Countries_that_have_fl...

>> Yes, but you seem to be supporting your own country getting screwed by large corporations and transferring that burden to yourself, French companies and French citizens.

No, I think you are. By setting too high taxes, you make the rich run away and pay their taxes elsewhere, leaving the burden on the middle class who's dying.

>> It's not quite that simple unfortunately.

It is actually. Just not in the interest of the current governments (both left and right are socialist in France).
I couldn't feel much difference to my touring bike, which has SLX disc brakes. though i have seen plenty of non-disc brake equipped cargo bikes in copenhagen and yes, i find that quite dangerous too.
I think we need to remember that the words and the intent of the words are two different things. If he's just given to rudeness and profanity, that in and of itself is not a big deal. There are plenty of very abrasive people who do good work and aren't trying to hurt anyone. If Linus was out to actually harm people - maybe he is, I don't know - that would be a problem IMO.

He's absolutely correct that everyone doesn't have to like and be able to work with everyone. All the people who continue to find ways to complain about his behavior just don't like him. OK. Fork the project.

See: OpenBSD and DragonflyBSD for domain examples of what to do when you have personality conflicts in an open source OS project.
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You didn't specify the effect you're talking about, you were very hand-wavey and just said "matters," which is so broad and general that you could be literally anything. I'm talking about calories. Whether you drink 500 calories of apple juice or eat 500 calories of apples you're still taking in 500 calories [1]. So insofar as caloric retention is concerned, no, that does not "matter."

[1] http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-energy-balance...
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Linus manages combined efforts of hundreds of people for years, probably leading the most successful open source project ever. Without salaries, without command and rule authority, without perks, without shared office space, even without HR. He probably knows something about what it takes to manage people
In no way is he acting in a "toxic horrible way". Some people simply have very, very thin skin and the judgment of behavior -- the social expectations -- is absolutely a thinly-veiled tactic of control. Linus doesn't have to be put in his place, and if you don't like that tough luck.

Linus is absolutely right that in the professional sense the same behavior simply moves to the shadows. By being professional we vent the same feelings in hushed murmurs and ever-so-gentle sideband criticism.
Freudian analysis in debate is something I find incredibly rude, one of the rudest things you can do to a person. I realize you might not have meant that way, which is why I generally do not call people out on it. But in this discussion rudeness seemed like a relevant thing to think about.

By the way most of the theories of Freud have since long been discredited by the scientific community.
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'jot' is pretty sweet, especially for creating ranges for iteration and random numerical data for testing arguments and such.

Check out the man page for a few snippets: http://www.unix.com/man-page/FreeBSD/1/jot/

It is the older, more flexible uncle of gnu's 'seq' command: http://administratosphere.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/using-bsd...
If you are a Linux kernel programmer/submitter, you should know the situation by now. You don't have to submit code to Linus as he has stated, you can go through an intermediary. Don't waste his time, that's the most valuable thing he has.

As far as professionals cursing, I reckon most of the individuals on HN have never been in the military. There's a fine art of stressing the importance of paying attention to details, which good noncoms and shipmates enforce through creative profanity and rich English. It stress the importance of the situation.
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Now, I don't have a degree in anything spectacular like CS or EE, or anything scientific or rigorous. I have a business degree - but I love to code. What is the best way to get into the business of programming - pay my dues to build experience, or try to get an interview at somewhere major? I like the degree I got, but I feel like I'm a builder and not a "meetings guy." Thoughts?
Always possible to find a counterexample on the Internet these days it seems, but I do drink it for the taste. Caffeine, sadly, has little effect on me, but I find regular Red Bull to be the best tasting soda on the market so far. (Whereas the sugar-free one makes me nauseous and I find it vile.)

I don't think it's surprising this could happen though because beer, wine, etc. taste pretty sour and disgusting until you get your tongue used to them. There's a soda called "Beverly" at the World of Coca Cola museum which most visitors also find totally gross but some people enjoy it :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_(drink) (5 out of 2000 claim Coca Cola..)