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I find this kind of thing absolutely nauseating, divisive, and thoroughly unhelpful.

I'm sure it makes you feel good, Mr Ultra Feminist, but you're not advancing "your" cause whatsoever by trying to guilt people - and with such weak, whiny examples, too.

You just make women look weak and whiny. (And, by extension, yourself, since you're not even a woman.)

That's unproductive and leads to - guess what! - women being not taken seriously, and being avoided because well-meaning men will assume everything they say will cause offense, and women not getting hired or picked because they make everyone else uncomfortable.

Isn't that ironic?

You also treat all women the same when you presume to speak for them. That's just more plain old sexism dressed up in a suit of righteousness.

I hate people grouping me with all other breast-and-vagina people, and assuming I like them, and agree with them, and share their agenda... and support them speaking on my behalf, as if we are all alike.

If you want to create change, you have to stop whining, stop laying blame, stop pointing fingers and saying "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN THEY CALL OBJECTS 'GUYS'!!!!" and do useful, productive things. This is not it.

For what it's worth, men in IT are more likeable than women, because when men fail, they don't blame it on other people's oppression of them due to their sexual equipment.
What's the bet that if this poll is for the ban, there will be a negative post about HN? :))
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Absolutely right. The culture of helping out, code sharing and support cottage industries are making the Arduino a winner.
TechCrunch is a value source of information. When you ban all different voices, you end up with a site where everyone is saying exactly the same thing all the time, and it will increasingly attract the same type of demographic. This will result in an intellectual mono-culture.
What is the purpose of this ban? To tell: TC we dont like you!?
You can't downvote submissions and TC is great at linkbait headlines, which get upvoted before people read the actual post. That's the problem.
My suggestion is to limit the number of stories that can be submitted and/or made popular in a day. So if one story makes it to the front page in the past 24 hours, news submissions from the same site are disabled.

The time period can be manipulated (12 hours, one week, whatever).

This will limit the effect of TC and a few other sites that are very frequent front-pagers without merit IMHO.
If you don't like TechCrunch, "ban" it for yourself, why do you need a collective approval for this? Sorry, I think HN does not deserve polls like this one.
Agreed. And you can't undo an upvote :(
I don't think PG can ban TechCrunch articles.

TechCrunch covers all YC startups and PG provides them with thousands of hits via HN. Win win for both $$$, PR for startups and AD money for techCrunch.

Anyone think otherwise? Am I wrong?
Instead of a ban, we should allow users to create filters. I would filter TechCrunch and codinghorror.
The last useful techcrunch article I recall was them covering the youtube website before anyone else.
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In that case, why is valleywag banned?

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=160704

Collective screening of linkbait/spam articles is useful IMHO.
You can flag submissions, you can learn not to up-mod something before you actually read it, and you always just not click on the link!

There's a parallel here with language choice. Some languages let you shoot yourself in the foot, and others try desperately to protect you. Newbies might need and benefit from the protection, power users often get frustrated at being prevented from doing things.

My principle is: when there's a balance to achieve, don't forbid things.
Would it be possible to have a list of 'I don't want these' sites in our profiles, so I'm able to enjoy HN without every 8th link being for TC, but other more masochistic readers can have all the TC they can endure?
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I'm afraid I happen to like TechCrunch.

Techcrunch is a news outlet, it writes about what people want to read. The internet is MUCH bigger than you and I my friend.
There is no doubt many programmers find it beneficial to use TDD. My claim is still that there is no truth, but not in the sense that you think. It is very easy to say that TDD helps, or that X killed Smalltalk, because it is almost impossible to falsify. It is the same weak argumentation that made OO prevail back in the 80'es/90'es. Usually you back up this by a "study" containing a) 1-2 "Cases" and b) no statistics with a significance test.

As to your questions:

"Have you tried it?": It depends. Test driven design states that you need to develop code and tests in tandem. I rarely do that. But note I also rarely program in dynamically typed languages. I develop the type in tandem with the program, and that constitutes a verifiable test as well, albeit a different one. Correctness is usually backed up by either a) machine-verifiable proof or b) Black-box test suites.

"Have you used it an anger?" I can't answer this. I rarely program when I am angered. I don't become desperate when I write code.

"Have you worked on a team with ubiquitous, all-encompassing, tests?" Yes. The team did not do TDD though. All tests were black-box.

Here is another experiment: Read Benjamin C. Pierce: TAPL and ATTAPL. Understand them. Learn Haskell. Learn QuickCheck. You will probably find that TDD is something which is much more needed in the dynamic language setting.
The problem with infix operators is that they have a binding strength. The solution is to use prefix notation. Problem solved!
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This suggestion may seem a little odd, but how about only enabling the up arrow once the URL has been visited? (via that javascript visited link colour trick, perhaps) It won't stop deliberate thoughtless upvoting, but nothing will.
I can (and do) certainly keep my thoughts to myself, but I will sometimes find myself distracted by being aroused by a woman's appearance in the office building where I work. Being horny is not condusive to a productive work day.
Twitter is clearly getting more TC coverage than any other startup in existence...On top of that, TC covers random and uninmportant events such as a 104-year old woman using Twitter (followed by a denial), an astronaut using Twitter (followed by a denial), a cat using Twitter, Kanye West not being happy with Twitter, ad nauseam.

This happened with Facebook too and to some extent Youtube. In my opinion TC are doing the same as most of the media:

People join X social networking site

Media writes about X site

People feel positive with a "hey, they're talking about X, I use X. This publication/site is relevant to me" feeling

More people join X
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You could try 'Hi, everyone'. I suspect it depends on who you have in your audience. Personally the special case irks me more than a general 'Hi chaps', or 'Hi guys'. It simultaneously singles me out and wastes my time.

I wouldn't generalise too far off this list, though. It looks like an amalgam of things that annoy different ladies. I only picked out 5 of them that I agreed with.
because it's banned, I just had this great nostalgic moment. "Remember when ValleyWag used to clog news.yc with crap?" Glad those days are behind us.
Well I think a large factor in altruism is whether or not you are getting your needs met.

I know that I am generous when things are going well and stingy when they are not.

I also know that I do see when my actions can create a larger good and I usually go for it.

That said, if your great way to handle NP complete problems has utility then you could make a closed source application with it and make bucks. No problem.

If someone else figures out the same thing on their own and does the same do you feel that it's right that they must pay you?

Not legally correct but right?

I just paid cash money for a closed source program because it had utility for me. There was no open source project anywhere near mature enough so I ponied up.

I realize that things get weird when you are dealing with ideas in capital intensive industries. You can't just go out and start a chip fab to utilize your branch prediction patent.

However "Since I'm not an academic, not working at a processor company, and have no interest in starting one, why should I disclose said method?" Because it's doing nothing right now and someone else who has those interests will rediscover it.

So what then? I don't know but things are at a strange choke point. Industries are using legal means, patents and legislation, to create insurmountable barriers to entry which is at the crux of our economic woes.

I may be full of shit but I design and build products and make a living and I do not patent or design copyright anything formally. My personal belief is that the thieves will take regardless and your only true capital is your reputation and your ability to meet demand.

Put another way. I also own a coffee shop. I can't patent that and if another operator moves in next door there is no mechanism in existence that allows me to prevent them or get licensing fees. If I were to build a hotel or gas station, same deal. Anyone could set up shop across the street. If I make mint coffee, put a mint on the pillow or sell green gas there is no protection available.

So why are software and ideas any different?
Sure, "so long as you can deliver". Are we going to be treated equally when we fail? Even worse, are we going to be treated as representatives of half the species (someone's already linked to that XKCD cartoon). It may be paranoia, but it doesn't help.

PS. Mostly I try not to guilt my co-workers about stuff. I don't think it makes them or me any more productive.
If you're minifying the js (Which is always a good idea), things like this don't matter too much.
The British Empire beat the US to abolishing slavery by nearly half a century (1807). The British forced many other countries to give up slavery soon after. If the US had lost the revolutionary war or the war of 1812 slavery probably would have been abolished much sooner.
That seems rather random. What if there actually are two good articles from the same site within 24 hours?
discojesus, have you been to Europe much?

There are no "useless" jobs like Wal-Mart greeters here. There are no Wal-Marts, or equivalents. The majority of people either run or are employed by what the US would consider very tiny businesses indeed... and those businesses are more critical to their community than the typical American business, by far.

That hasn't been factored into your equation.
"Hey everyone!" "Hi!" "Good morning/afternoon/evening/day!" "Hello!" "Greetings!" etc...

Although I say "Hi Guys!" sometimes when greeting my wife and daughter, so I don't really see what's so offensive about it.
Wow, sounds like me, only more pathological.

I spent almost my entire school career seeing how much I could get away with, writing fake personal essays, falsifying scientific "evidence" (as if 7th grade science fairs matter), manufacturing fake "drafts" which were really my first and final version but deliberately messed up, doing my homework as the teacher came around to collect it. Manufacturing saccharine, bullshit, fake answers that teachers always swallowed. Reusing essays from freshman year of HS for university English class. (Haha.)

I rebelled against being forced to do so many stupid things, that it became a game. Nobody ever noticed, so I realized that I couldn't respect or listen to people I could fool and conquer so easily.

You can do it in non-liberal arts. It's still easy.

The trick is, you have to be smart enough to do the real work to fake it. You don't necessarily have to know the given facts, though.
I find the whole anthropomorphising abstract objects to be an annoying and distracting trait, anyway, whether they're saying "he" or "she". (My mind is saying inside "It's an IT, damn it!")
I see a lot of comments discussing the quality of TC's scurrilous writing. May I suggest you ignore that? TC itself is almost irrelevant to the question of banning. Even if it is false, linkbaiting dreck. Instead of considering the quality of the links, try looking at the quality of HN discussions about those links.

Do HN discussions add insight and interest? Do they raise or lower the quality of discourse here?

Some discussions devolve very quickly into name-calling, negativity, and mindlessness. Some elevate into insightful observations and positive debate. Look at the discussions and think about whether HN should encourage or discourage them.

My thought is that if TC discussions on HN are positive, there should be no ban regardless of the quality of the links. But if there is a preponderance of negative discussions around its links, it may be in HN's interests to simply walk away without any further ado.
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If I were less time-poor I would resume maitaining a set of Greasemonkey scripts to filter out Tech Crunch and the like from HN and aggregation/community sites I visit. However it would be nice if PG would whip up a user-specific "ignore-these-domains" field in the user prefs. (Just a text box for a comma-separated list would suffice.)

The thing that annoys me about TC is that their headlines are so inflammatory that I just have to click them to find out what they're beating up now, and always instantly regret it. Perhaps the key is developing better self-control.
A ban would allow no incentive for them to change their behavior.

As it is, the up/down voting gives them feedback on an post-by-post basis as to what matters to HNers. [ Just in case they care. ]

In regard to one post: Let's not "protect" noobs from "bad info" - except to the extent that we noobs can see what the overall HN population thinks of value of specific articles. That is the power of what HN has to offer to begin with! --and it gives more feedback about specific articles (e.g., if there is no (or few) upvotes) than if no feedback at HN existed about particular posts.
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Can someone give me a sense of some projects you can do with a Teensy? I've never played around with programming chips like this before but sounds pretty cool from the comments.
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I think we should ban polls about banning TechCrunch.
What the hack is your problem? If you don't like it then don't vote it. Who are you to impose your will over everyone else?
Yes, screening is OK, but banning the whole site just because you don't like them is nonsense.
> The organizational love of mediocrity has severely hampered all sciences in their effort of contributing to the industrial effort,...

Dijkstra gets that we shouldn't anthropomorphise computers: they do what they do. Deal with it via logic. Then he ventures into sociology and his insight deserts him. Anthropomorphising organisations as persons who love unwisely leads nowhere.
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Read the OP. This isn't about "Not liking TC", it's about the quality of journalism they have been displaying lately.
And this is what I had in mind when I suggesged "Argument bait". My own opinion is that they were both very good, with skill in different areas.
First off I am not a fan of TC at all - I actually do read some of the articles but only through 3rd linkage.

That said I think CHOICE is a good thing. For example I filter CodingHorror and TechCrunch (and a few others - Seth Godin is the only major one that springs to mind) for a variety of reasons. I chose not to view them. But some people do like to read them (even if it is just for a laugh ;)). If you want to ban them there is a Userscript to filter them, if not, then dont :D

I personally have lost all respect for TC recently: poor reporting, poor sourcing, extreme attention grabbing headline, petty squabbling and generally insulting pointless stuff :P But that is just my opinion, others might find it relevant! Were hackers not censors.
In the context of "argument bait", business skills are not part of the question.
IIRC PG doesn't want to implement that because the quality of the front-page would presumably diminish if people could selectively ignore sources of low quality for themselves.
shrug I'm more well-adjusted than almost anyone else, now.

Institutionalized schooling just hobbles anyone who doesn't fit the mold, one way or another.

Taking it seriously is one way. Taking nothing seriously is another.
flagging doesn't guarantee removal though does it? Flagging an article IS a way to note you think it is wrong, or malicious etc. BUT it is a private thing.. there is no indication how many others agreed etc.

Perhaps adding the # of flags might be an option (or some indication)
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Lately? That's a joke.

Because of TC's journalistic standards, I forbade my team members from talking to TC about our stealthy project... 18 mos ago.
You can ban all the sites you like, but it won't stop the decline of critical thinking on HN.
"But Microsoft sees an opening on its own proprietary search data: 42% of searches require refinement, and 25% of clicks are the back button".

So does this happen with Google? Or to put it another way, does this campaign imply that it is too hard to fix the technical part so we are after the perception?
Correction:

"Bill Gates greatest skill is to give people something which makes them feel they NEED it" :)
Well, the main case in which people really care about operator precedence is arithmetic. I'm not saying it's the only case it matters, but it may be worth having conventional infix arithmetic as a wrapped sub-language, or otherwise making an exception to accommodate it.

You can argue all you want about how order-of-operations makes things unnecessarily complicated in a parsing / syntax context, but if doing infix arithmetic in your language doesn't just work (see: Lisps, or OCaml's float operators), many peoples' first impression will be that the language makes doing simple stuff hard.
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Well, Walmart owns ASDA, one of the dominant chains in the UK. No greeters, though - what a bizarre concept.
late reply but I feel this partially identifies your "problem".

natural response > programmed response :)
All we should really be asking for is that the site that a link is to is clearly labelled. Most Coding Horror links are marked as such, as are TC links. Perhaps this could be built into HN so that when people forget to put it in it will still be indicated.

But is it really such a big deal, don't click on the TC links and if you end up on TC just use the back arrow. Nothing too difficult is it?
> you can learn not to up-mod something before you actually read it

Others would need to learn that.
HN's total traffic is 1/12th of TechCrunch's. I doubt HN visitors click on many ads, either. So I don't think our opinion will strongly affect TC's editorial policy. I'm sure their style is a very concious decision.
A less than 10 line Greasemonkey script would solve that.
Submariners, payperpost, fud, propaganda and astroturfing are plaguing HN lately, even if people don't want to acknowledge that obvious fact.

They are like a disease, we better find a cure before it is too late.
Ditto, ditto, ditto. I was about to suggest the same thing.
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I can say that statements in the poll definition are very arguable, and can be easily dictated by the author's personal attitude. (You say - "Strong negative bias" and would qualify this as a "Journalist investigation").
hmm... i wouldn't buy a $40 computer.
IE 6 has 60 percent of the enterprise market, with IE 7 clocking in at 39 percent;
Firefox has 18.2 percent of the enterprise market;

I'm not sure how they measure that share, but it's not what I expected. I'd expected the total to be ~100%.
Lets go the whole hog and ban comments suggesting we ban polls about banning TechCrunch.
Kinda ironic, a 6000 word essay entitled, "The Poverty of Attention." By OP's definition, no one will ever be able to finish it. Please tweet me a summary.
We shouldn't be biased. Techcrunch links are sometimes crap, sometimes good. So completely banning wouldn't do any good.

Let's solve it the HN way. Just don't up vote what you don't like. OK, you say, "I don't, but they get votes somehow". That, my friend, is _probably_ because community is polluted.
So you say their referencing Twitter too much is justification for banning their content ... then you use a Twitter post to back up another one of your points? That's funny.
They used a screen-grab of an email to bolster their case! As if that adds credibility :/
Failure is an important step towards mastering. Sure hell you are going to be treated equally from the professional standpoint if you have the courage to fail a couple of times.

It depends wholly on if and how you play the gender-card in the game. Or how you can be coerced/forced to play it.
If you look hard enough you can still get the plain, generic pieces. They're just more difficult to find between all the flashy sets and branded stuff.

I too prefer the open-ended play that results from the generic pieces so those are the ones I get for my son and he enjoys them a lot. We once built some huge, complicated robot together, and while the building was very fun, the piece now sits on a shelf (you can't actually play with it as it will fall to pieces instantly).
The blog entry shows very well what Wordnet synsets are good for. Synonyms are not transitive, but neither are they just relationships between two words. I think Synonym nets should be renamed. They are something very different.
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When I see link to TC or CodingHorror (and a few other sites') post, I first read all the comments here on HN.

Even if the story is complete garbage, one can find good insights in the discussion inspired by it; often with enough data so that I don't even need to read the original if I don't think it worthwhile.

With a blanket TC ban, I'd either miss out on a good bits (if I didn't follow TC feed directly), or be more annoyed (if I did follow it and read most of what they post).

So I think the commentary here is much better filter of good vs crap than any ban or automatic filter would do.
That analogy fails, because man-made objects have not yet approached the flying ability of birds (or insects). Man-made flying objects are highly energy inefficient and slow and clumsy as a result. We cannot make something that flies like a bird or something that flies like an insect.
I am working on a classic case right now, the acquisition of one multi-billion dollar organization by another. Each has opposite philosophies about the role of the individual vs. automation.

One company uses an ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning) system that does massive computations based upon the contents of its data base and delivers precise instructions to its users.

The other presents basically the same data on a fairly sophisticated workbench and expects the user to combine that data with what is not on the data base to make a decision.

Guess which company purchased the other?
Maybe, but we still have to decide whether or not to show them to anonymous readers.