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This is silly, it doesn't account for the many, many axes of communication.

* Push vs. Pull. Does the recipient have to ask to get incoming messages.

* Off the cuff vs. Official. How quickly is the communication written, how much thought goes into formal language & proofreading.

* Personal vs. Notification (this is a big problem for communication). Regular mail has fallen to this, 99% of mail is automated messages, both wanted and unwanted. Email is going the same direction. Phone never has moved very far that direction.

* Filtered vs. Raw. Computer filtered, or human filtered. Spam, autocategorization, etc.

And then it adds document problems to it:

* Collaborative vs. Sign off. Am I co-writing the document with somebody or is it a write-revise-signoff cycle?

* Controlled vs. AdHoc. How formal does the collaboration need to be. Does it make sense for us to both be editing things, or is internal consistency too important to allow concurrent edits?

Basically, just saying "screw email, it's a chat! With Widgets!" totally ignores what people use communication services for, and the varying levels of formality, proofreading, speed, style, and automation.

A quick rundown of communication protocols that exist:

Email: Delayed, Push for the most part, Filtered, lots of notifications

IM: Instant, Push, Raw, few notifications

Blog: Delayed, Pull, Filtered (RSS reader, you decide what to read), few notifications.

Waves: Instant, Push (?), Raw, notifications... maybe?

Basically, it fits in the IM category for the most part. Why would this replace my email to the boss containing a page of pros vs. cons on a new technology that we were going to adopt? Would this replace the automated quarterly emails from HR showing me my 401k balance (and does it do the job any better?).

Summary:

Very technologically cool, but I have no idea how it fits well into the framework of communication types, and adds anything that's not covered adequately with current communication methods.

A thought I have had was that twitter flourished because it was a different set of attributes from anything else that existed (along with other things of course).
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I'm not so sure about Sphinx support coming anytime soon: http://github.com/toastdriven/django-haystack/issues/labels/...

From my experience using Sphinx, it would be a non-trivial task to make it work with Haystack. There's the django-sphinx project which is what I currently use, but I remember getting started with it was kind of a pain. It's speed is really nice though.
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What I find fascinating about this is not the technology itself. It is that Microsoft has, as much as possible, done their best to hide the fact that this is a Microsoft product. Unless one looks at the page footer, which is in a small light grey text (in zone-out land, in other words), one would have no idea.

This is right in line with their "surprise! it's a PC" campaign. If one watches the corresponding campaigns, Apple is unabashedly proud of being Apple, Google about being Google, but Microsoft seems to be embarrassed about being Microsoft.

I am rather curious where this will go, and how consumers will react. Of course, Microsoft wins if people ignore the company and just buy the product.
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I think it'd be more Googly if they got rid of the avatars, drop shadows, funky buttons and rounded corners (seriously, looks like someone barfed web 2.0 all over a screen) and ditched the 3 pane system, so clicking on a thread switched you over to the conversation itself rather than having the convo in a pane on the same page.
Google Wave actually looks nothing like your product whatsoever.

We already have real-time updates. What we don't have is a system where every sort of update is treated in a single place. That's what Wave is.

If you want to advertise Browseology, do it with a post to the front page, and only advertise in other threads if it's relevant to the story. You're borderline spamming right now.
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That is definitely something we would spend a lot of time on. We are starting to see some categories that don't fit. The tag approach of go2web20 is confusing for the average users, we will add subcategories in the future. Our rating system will display the higher quality apps to the users first.
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This is cool--and public domain? That's awesome.

For the record, it's 2D Boy that released the framework, not the piece of software World of Goo.
I like the competition but I also want Microsoft to lose.

The thing about Google is that it is a very intelligent but very minimal interface to the whole Internet itself. This thing, the whole Internet, has been expanding faster than any "portal" or other kind of "walled garden" could. I hope this continues, for the variety involved but also for the freedom - knowing that no entity (even Google) will be able to sweep the results away.

When Google is just providing access to something others can give access to as well, it keeps them somewhat honest even if they are 90% dominant. When Google or Microsoft or Wolfram or anyone both hosts content and provides the interface, it makes censorship much easier. Even Google is moving more towards doing combining hosting and search through owning Youtube but Google still looks like least likely to create a "wall garden".
In most open markets 4% is a fairly large market share. Depending on where you define the edges of PC market, windows has a 70 - 90% of the market share, but it's far from the only game in town. Windows market share is also steady shrinking and has been for several years.

However, OS/2 is such a tiny fraction that it's hard to estimate accurately. So comparing Linux to OS/2 is vary trollish behavior.

PS: Windows market share is being consumed both at the high and low end. As an investor that's a major reason to become concerned and has nothing to do with being a fain boy. Companies that simply ignore their competition tend to be eaten over time. Feel free to look at other sectors of the computer market over time to see how fast this transition can happen.
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Indeed. Yet I was also trying to illustrate (albeit unsuccessfully) how the language snobbery is basically the same thing--a failing to recognize a language for what it's worth. As you point out, languages often have specialties and are better suited than more powerful languages for certain tasks.
I'm trying it right now, running my usual computer-dick test of running a lot of stuff at once. There's no lag so far.
Live is tough to use as a verb, and they use Live for a number of other products (e.g. Xbox Live, Windows Live, MSN Live Spaces). As a result they have to describe the search as Live Search, and they don't own LiveSearch.com.

So even though live.com is an awesome domain it wasn't going to work for their search engine.
Not so much a startup, as a website that cycles through cheesy pickup lines.
I think that that's a breakthrough, because you are always taught to do as much as you can. Always put checks in. Always look for exceptions. Always handle the most general case. Always give the user the best advice. Always print a meaningful error message. Always this. Always that. You have so many things in the background that you're supposed to do, there's no room left to think. I say, forget all that and ask yourself, "What's the simplest thing that could possibly work?"

This habit of trying to do too much makes me inefficient sometimes. I aim for quality and in the end I just get nothing - but a headache.
And that it has Google behind it, not AOL. AOL wasn't able to keep up with the innovation and so they fell behind, especially as the walls to the full Internet crashed down and AOL's walled-garden approach became outdated.
Animal Farm is much more to the point today. And it's not Big Brother, but Big Mother, that has taken over.
"Hulu Desktop will work with Apple and Windows Media Center remotes."

Very exciting! I will have to try this when I get home.
Excellent break-down of the usage patterns of Email and IM. One thing that you hint at is persistence. While we all have the ability to log IMs, email exists as much for archival purposes as it does momentary communication.

The simplest way I can put the Email/IM dichotomy is: it is file vs stream.
A user's SearchWiki rankings do not influence other users' search results. Yet. Till that happens, it's not really HN-style modding.
Did you paste ads in every single Wave mention? Because it's really annoying, and not the right way to appeal to a bunch of cynical hacker sorts.
Back in my day, we used ICQ for collaborative document editing and chat. It worked.
something i forgot to mention the first time: i started playing fantasy baseball with some friends who are really into it, and its been a blast. its also a huge stress reliever for most of the folks involved. definitely not for everyone, but it works for us.
Generally, it's better to phrase that point something like this:

"The one dimensional nature of most political discourse (Us!, Them!!) ignores most of the complexity that actually matters. And our political structures are corrupt, counterproductive and irrational."

Expecting us to extract that meaning out of some vague witticism was probably your mistake.
A site I use and love is http://iusethis.com. They have versions for Mac, Windows and iPhone. Looks like your site is for web apps. You might be a good fit into their product line...
I'm currently running a review-driven startup, so a couple questions related to things we deal with:

1) Are you planning on making money with this? How? Ads probably aren't the answer.
2) How do you keep users coming back? Once someone finds the app they're looking for, are they likely to visit your site with any regularity?
3) What percentage of users write reviews? If you're like other review sites, the number will be shockingly small. How can you incentivize users to review?
I hear the Ghost of Netscape Past rattle its chains.
I see a few sites like threadless that, to me at least, don't even come close to fitting any sort of definition of "app".

Is this meant to be an open index of web apps/services? While useful now, like minalecs pointed out, I see it quickly devolving into an index of the internet in general if it gains traction.
Why not a breadboard? Wire wrapping seems pretty tedious.
First impression, the site has a spammy feel. I think it's the light-blue color, especially of that tag cloud on top, or perhaps it's that your logo seems to yield too easily to the content. (See perhaps movil .be/?s=delicious.p and www.mobi .tv/tag/m/m for comparison.) Short of messing with it, it's hard to identify what gives this impression, but when I scroll all the way to the bottom the contrast seems to fix things...
Good call, that's yet another axis of communication. I actually had all that written down for a blog post I was going to get around to making (with diagrams & graphics and everything).

Something I'd really like to see if a protocol that is designed for notifications to humans. Anywhere from "Your car is ready to be picked up" to "We charged your credit card for this product, for this month of server", etc, etc.

I think if it is built from the ground up as a notification protocol, we can avoid the crap emails that we filter based on regular expressions, and bulk mail, and recorded phone calls.

But, it'd be really hard to get any sort of traction on of course.
That is if they even realize that they are supposed to perform a search.

I'm all for market competition and I realize that MS feels as though they HAVE to do this, but this seems a lot like MS's failed attempt at revamping their search a few years ago. And back then they had the advantage of having an operating system that people didn't despise. Without a good tie in (unfair advantage) with an OS and what appears to be an attempt to get people to shift the way they search I think this is doomed.
"There are no conservatives who believe that authority is always right, and no liberals (at least, very few liberals) who believe that it is never right."

If only because believing that authority is always right is a decent characterization of fascism, while believing that authority is never right is a descent characterization of anarchism, which are respectively more right-wing/left-wing than conservatism and liberalism. This just maintains the spectrum while showing that conservatism and liberalism are not at the extremes.
I am not sure what you'd want from the notification protocol that persisted XMPP doesn't offer already.
As noted elsewhere in the thread:

"Boilerplate" has that meaning, but without the connotation that the person using it is automatically a moron. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilerplate_%28text%29)

See also: Simon Peyton-Jones's "Scrap Your Boilerplate" papers (http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/papers...)
I wish I could vote this up more for Be wary of code maniacs who don't care what the product is. That is true, regardless of the size of the company. I've seen those "code maniacs" drive a company into the ground because the technology was more important that the product.
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Perhaps its because the iphone app store has gotten about a 1.5yr jump on the android market. Give it time; with it supposed to be on 18 phones by years end, their will be users! - just give it time.

The above might be the wishful thinking that open source will win out (however debatable the openness of android may be, its the closest we got right now)
All on one page: http://www.artima.com/intv/simplestP.html
Decent concept and it looks good.

Here is my main concern:

How do you draw the line between Web App and Website?

For example, I consider Weebly and Evernote to be web apps. I do not consider Digg or Wolfram Alpha to be ... furthermore, some of your listings only partly qualify as Web [Anything]. Dropbox and RescueTime both have desktop components and Skype is truly not a web app/site in my opinion.

I'm not sure how to define it or where to draw the line–I just think you might have more success by focusing your site on true web apps (i.e. browser-based apps or SaaS that replace/compete with desktop apps and solve a personal/business pain point). It will solve minalecs's point of having too many sites to filter through.

As the site is now, I probably wouldn't use it. But if it was truly an app directory where I could say "Hey, I need to do X ... I wonder if there's a web app" then go and find such an app ... then, yes.
The headers I agree with, but big images look pretty, and I can't think of anything that would work better beyond the blank white that Google's made its visual trademark. Live half-assed between the two options, which I hated.
Tough to say without trying it, but I think this has the potential to be a very flexible format and therefore potentially cover more use cases than you are giving it credit for.

As an example, I wouldn't want to turn writing the page of pros vs. cons to my boss into a big collaborative discussion. But once I write the big long list in draft mode and then send it off, it would probably be great if the boss and the whole team could have a conversation about the document in real-time and at various places in the document. It would sure be more manageable than the big email chains in outlook that I've got now.
Posted four days ago. Discussion here:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=623823
isn't this the second post for this?
Sorry, I don't get what you mean. How is the Bing logo "over dramatic"?
I'm not sure, it's a random idea based on the idea that most personal communication protocols tend toward being used as notification protocols.

XMPP might be the answer, or maybe dialects on top of XMPP. (haven't looked too close to see what's possible).
Looks like decompiled code (with random constant names, etc).
compared to? Subjectively, hulu's flash works much better than netflix' sliverlight.
Step 1 for building a popular search engine might be to stop changing the name every 2 years. Just a thought.
Monopoly/near-monopoly has let them abuse their brand to the point of trashing it.

One ironic aspect of this: one can see this as Microsoft trying to compete by offering "better customer service," if you can call repackaging search results "customer service." Perhaps it's better termed as "superior, seamless customer experience."

Perhaps they're onto something. If Google really doesn't offer better data than Microsoft or Yahoo, then Google's advantage is in their Brand. Microsoft can combat this by starting a new Brand, and stand behind it with the same quality of data, but a superior customer experience.

EDIT: On second thought, Microsoft may be behind the game again. The target to chase shouldn't be Google Search. I suspect it should be Facebook and Twitter. Google Wave might leapfrog Microsoft here.
The demo video isn't even up yet, and you're already dismissing it for what you think it doesn't take into account? You're my new hero.
I'm too afraid it would pop open with frequent use and I'd be out a few hundred. Those things don't stay sealed very well when handled.

But yeah, something of that nature would work.
You don't have to be rich to read in a pool or busy to read in the shower, but I'm a big fan of both. It's the only reason I still subscribe to the print edition of Economist and why they're always warped to holy hell when I'm done with them.
http://wavesandbox.com/ is where people are getting developer accounts from the Google I/O Conference. You may directly navigate to it and add yourself to a waitlist too, if you're not registered at the Google I/O Conference.

Direct link: https://services.google.com/fb/forms/wavesignupfordev/
I think they may be onto something. The "Portal" doesn't work because it pushes a lot of information or options at the user that they didn't ask for.

Search was better because it responds to the user. If you have something that's purposely structured like a portal, but which reacts to what the user asks for, then you have advantages of both.
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How about xmarks (used to be foxmarks)? They highlight search results depending on which of their users have bookmarked them (they are a bookmark sync service so they have access to that data). After all, bookmarking is a way of upmodding. http://www.xmarks.com/about/features/smarter_search
this could work.
i see strong tendency to easy of use and simple tools.
people are sick of searching and fighting with technology. nobody wants IT, yet they are addicted to it.
I believe this pretty much seals it:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/28/google-wave-drips-with-...

Email is now officially old technology.
I wire-wrapped my first computer. It's not that tedious, it beats the hell out of soldering when you're doing your first design, and if you make a mistake it's easy to fix.

When I then made modifications I used red wire instead of blue. If it didn't work I knew which wires to replace. If it did I could either leave it and use yellow as the next red, or I could replace the wires. At a glance I could see the state of the build.

A good wire-wrapping tool, good flow with the circuit, I could put three wires every minute for an hour.

I may still have it somewhere ...
I'm afraid the concept already has an accepted name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backronym
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Hey now, I'm saying that the claim of a central "THIS IS THE BEST WAY" communication is flawed, because there are lots of ways to communicate.

I based what I wrote on the two articles that got posted to HN, and gave my initial impression.
Once upon a time, I hacked a simulator and an assembler for the Pendulum chip. It was an interesting and fun project in a lot of ways, but fair warning: the example program that computes Fibonacci numbers, I think, is wrong, and correcting that loop was not difficult per se but it was sure mind bending.
Good idea overall. Get rid of the black application names. The are, and will always be, a poor and often incorrect duplicate of the logo itself.

Given your content, clearly separate your ads, or use text ads only. The change-background-on-hover effect is annoying. Use a white background since many logos are not transparent, and white. Remove that thin gray border, it makes the dark-background logos look messy. Your headings are not sufficiently distinct from your website titles (just remove the site titles, which will also keep the site from looking ugly when you have long titles). Put the little (3) vote counter to the left of the stars. Get rid of the dropdowns for sorting, and the buttons for pages.

When I click the logo, I expect to go to the site. I don't really care about your detailed info - that's what (more) is for. I don't want the company's often useless and spammy tagline, enforce a brief and useful description of the site. I don't want to dig around in subpages for information, and I don't want to see a screenshot of the site when I could have been looking at the site itself.
I don't understand why you say that. I'm a good solderer - my field engineers let me do real work - and yet I find wire-wrapping (for some things) better. I guess your mileage really does vary.
Yes. The meaning of symbols within a closure can't change after creation. They are always bound to the same variable.

In Io, the meanings of symbols are determined when the block is activated.
"A few years ago UK supermeerkats moved the chocolates away from the checkouts ..."

Supermeerkats sounds intriguing, yet scary.

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My initial impression is that it looks like an online version of Outlook/OWA, albeit with more/different features. It's very, very busy with stuff flying all over the place.

They're hitting on a big problem though; centralizing online conversations, regardless of medium, into a single location. Something like this can plug right into your Facebook friends, or company address book, etc... Very neat idea.

Too much marketing lingo though. Please, stop inventing words, like "waves" and what-not; they rarely stick (Who still tells someone they're about to "beam" money to them over PayPal? Who knows what a "lens" is on Squidoo?). I can't even get my Mom to comprehend what "twittering" is yet, never mind a wave. It's too confusing for many people.
movalabs@gmail.com that is.. sleep deprivation! :/
This presentation could have been about Clojure instead. Just s/Arc/Clojure/
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What I'd love to see is someone invent an assembly language that is reversible. Meaning that if you execute the code backward, you undo whatever the code was doing.

This way, the undo function of office becomes trivial to implement! (minus some IO issues)
I wouldn't be so sure SearchWiki has no influence. It's data; Google has it; they didn't get where they are by ignoring free user-behavior data.

It's not explicit, just like all sorts of other ranking details and polcies are secret, to keep manipulators in the dark as long as possible.
I jotted down the first things I'd do if I were to begin promoting a new startup today. I'd love to hear other suggestions.
That basically amounts to figuring out how to outsource your hype. (Best way: to your customers!)
Even though this is the more direct link, the discussion seems to be over here:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=630154
IMO, a bigger advantage is that you don't have to install 2 copies of all the libraries.