skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I'd like to see more surveys or reviews of this survey's methods. It isn't difficult for the phrasing of the questions to skew results in one direction or another (e.g. Gallup).

I'm sure it's possible for people to be a bit apathetic and support widespread data snooping, but I'm wary of the inevitable attacks and possible drummed up support for current policies.
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I can tell you he's a criminal liar without watching that.
Those who are concerned about privacy should first protest against Google/Facebook/Yahoo etc for selling your private data to advertisers.

PRSIM project was in place to catch potential terrorists and thanks to Snowden for blowing it up and now good luck catching the bad guys.

I have nothing to worry about or hide because I'm not doing anything bad and I don't understand why everyone is so mad about privacy all of a sudden, do you have anything to hide, are you doing anything bad? Govt is at least not selling your data to 3rd parties like corporations do by giving it to advertisers. If anything I trust my data with the govt.
Yeah. You'll get me too pull out my pitchfork if there is ever evidence this is being used for anything other than national security, I haven't seen that. IMO, the first shady use of this would most likely be the war on drugs, if we see that happen than I'll start getting worried.
I'M MAD AS HELL...AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!

“This administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide. I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining the Constitution and our freedom. That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing but protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. It is not who we are. It is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA Court works. The separation of powers works. Our Constitution works. We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers and that justice is not arbitrary. This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not. There are no short cuts to protecting America.” - Obama
It's reasonable if you believe that it can also work as an alibi. It would be like state level fraud protection for those who do opt in, and obviously a mark of suspicion towards those who don't.
Don't be silly. It goes down every monday while he makes hard drive copies to the NSA.
Neither word apply.

"Patriot", to me, suggests a unquestioning loyalty, lack of thought or perspective. "Traitor" suggests selling out both government and people to a foreign enemy.

Both are too broad, blunt, and loaded to describe anything useful.

What this man did was expose the government for the sake of the very people the government are supposed to answer to.

The problem his the the huge disconnect between government and the population.
What's the polite word for elitist?
Devil's Advocate: are we really upset that an unfolding scandal involving the right to privacy is displacing content about a shiny new product launch?

It's kind of interesting to witness the interaction between HN's overlapping circles of technologists, civil libertarians, and entrepreneurs.

To be fair, I agree that we need to avoid letting this discussion devolve into a frenzied mob of speculation. Misinformation can almost be worse than ignorance.
I don't see where Director of the NSA appears on the ballot in my jurisdiction.
That's absolutely no good for a lot of workstation deployments.

Ours are locked into desks so they don't get nicked due to the high value nature of the work that is done on them.

Try locking a new Mac Pro, 20 dangling Thunderbolt devices and an iSCSI array into a desk.

You're going to end up with this as well:

http://i.imgur.com/4dmz6Q3.jpg
I hope he doesn't end up as another guy trapped in an embassy. With any luck he'll actually make it to the country.
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PRISM + WWDC -> very high traffic. Just speculating.
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nah, dyson fans have used similar bases for years.

I kid, I kid.

Honestly though I do not care for an integrated "pro" machine. This is form over function. Fail a component and its off to the shop. Combined with, if I want to upgrade them I need to replace the unit.

If they are going to integrate everything then they need to drop the price. Integration implies lower costs as having all the support needed to drive user added cards and internal drives can be done away with.

Plus its not like I want to have an octopus of cables on my desk and moving storage to all external does that.

Benefits, perhaps driving the thunderbolt prices down and having new and interesting devices to connect to the system.

In the end integration means commodity, just expensive. Can't wait to see what they want for it, I figure on three thousand minimum, which would be a third too much for something so inflexible. Apple, meet Dyson
In theory, that's why we have the notion of "probable cause" and warrants, etc. But what we have instead, is a "rubber stamp" mechanism from a secret court which - essentially - is completely free from an accountability to the American people.

Given that, I don't really care so much what the NSA tries to do... I now realize that the real answer is promotion, advocacy and education around technological tools to evade their snooping (assuming, for the sake of argument, that they can't break strong crypto). My goal going forward is to dive into helping promote the use of, and education regarding, Tor, I2P, PGP, and their ilk. Part of that is going to mean educating myself to a considerable degree as well, as I've admittedly been too cavalier about this stuff in the past.
They don't go out and canvass for phone numbers first. If they don't include cell phone numbers it's possible to bias more towards older persons, but that wouldn't invalidate the survey either.
They will never see the button to activate it !
I can't imagine Jobs would think this was an exciting new product, given that it is really not targeted at the masses. Not to talk down about the new Mac pro, but it's largely just new form factor plus latest components. It just doesn't strike me as something Jobs would label "exciting".

Jobs did probably have his hand in it at some time, though.
You take issue with the assumption that "being technical" may lead you to a less gender specific view of tech?

Or do you take issue with gender specific viewpoints in general?

In either case, simply quoting an excerpt is fairly pointless, as individual readers will make their own assumption, as I have that you did so because you have a problem with the statement.
So the King of England created the courts to resolve disputes in the kingdom. Sovereign immunity was the idea that the king could not be sued in his own courts. We inherited all that. Here, we don't have a king, but the U.S. is a sovereign entity (think of it conceptually as the entity that "owns" the money in the Treasury and also "owes" the national debt). That entity cannot be sued in its own courts.

But even in England, the King would hear certain claims for relief, out of the goodness of his heart. That evolved into the modern idea that the U.S. can consent to be sued, and various statutes of Congress have consented (waived sovereign immunity) for various types of suits. One of those is tort claims (e.g. negligently running over your dog). That's why the DOJ and NSA can be sued for intentional infliction of emotional distress. That's a tort and the FTCA waives immunity with respect to many torts.

The President, etc, are not the U.S. They're just people. They have certain immunities, but they are not protected by sovereign immunity. But that's not enough. For a suit you also need a cause of action (something has to create your right to bring a specific kind of suit). Usually, it's a statute that gives you the right to sue. The case Bivens says that for certain rights that cannot be vindicated any other way, the Constitution itself creates the necessary cause of action.
Hey: my pitchfork is already within arm's reach. My "problem" over the last couple days is shoddy reporting and rush to judgement, especially with things like "OMG Palantir is even named after the all-seeing eye in Lord of the Rings, they must be in on it".

It's not OK if NSA is hoovering all communications in the US and sifting for national security issues, and that does appear to be what happened with Verizon/ATT/Sprint (though it does not appear to be true of Google and Facebook).
I use it all the time to choose songs or make calls while driving, and it's the fastest way to set alarms or timers.
I have Siri on my "new," iPad (the 3rd gen - such a terrible name) and this is exactly what I've used mine for also....well that and I'm one of those people that sometimes ask it dumb questions just to see my wife's face scrunch up.
This could be a bundled Gitorious, but I didn't see it in the open source software list.
I think we need to make a choice as a society where the line is drawn. We chose to allow privilege for religious, medical, and legal conversations. Sure, in individual cases, it would be better to get the data from someone's confession, but overall, it's better for society (or people decided) to allow those conversations to encourage religious confession.

Maybe there needs to be special protection for certain classes of cloud service, computing service, or communication. Certainly allowing people to use an "exocortex" without fear of seizure would make people smarter. It might make some crimes harder to punish.

Luckily, technology gets a vote, too.

I think a clear/easy line is that anything which is "personal thought" or approximates thought should be immune to search, ideally though technical means. Notes (for yourself), a journal, etc. Maybe "quantified self" measurements. etc.

The line is probably in a different place than in the telephone era, or even the disconnected Internet era.

I'd prefer it be defined through legislation (and maybe through constitutional amendment) vs. through legal decisions. The problem with legal decisions is they tend to involve criminal cases, and "a person was keeping a personal diary of his child rapes" is an exceptionally hard thing to argue privacy for, even if that's only 0.001% of the use case enabled by making personal notes private.
If only the problem were so limited...
It's not meant to be accurate.

It's meant to calm the masses.
All federal courts are (basically) free from public accountability. That is literally one of the objectives of the design of the Judicial Branch; complain to the founding fathers.
Microsoft's new Terms of Use: "You should not expect any level of privacy"
It's true, I've never taken a statistics course. But, if the experts tell me a 0.0003% sample size is fine so long as it's the RIGHT 0.0003%, then I guess I'll have to concede the point.
As a follow up - if voice recognition was perfect every time, how much would you use it?

If every third-party app you used daily had a Siri plug-in, how much would you use it?
Copywriting and product-debate aside, that's some pretty impressive frontend presentation. From what I can tell from the minified JS, they're using Require.JS for code organization, their own jQuery-like utility toolkit they call Apple Core, fully pre-rendered text everywhere, and javascript that plays and pauses two copies of the HTML5 video, one backwards and one forwards, shuffling their opacities for seamless transitions.

Interestingly, they don't need separate videos for each transition, because the video is streamed rather than pre-buffered in its entirety. Not that Apple really cares about its bandwidth costs here, but it's an interesting strategy.

The minified JS: http://images.apple.com/v/mac-pro/home/a/scripts/macpro.rele...

And the raw video (download and play in QuickTime): http://movies.apple.com/media/us/mac-pro/2013/96614028-695e-...
Will you believe ANYTHING the news puts about him? I won't. With a very few exceptions (Guardian) the MSM are suspect.
It's all state driven misinformation.

The US gov's "trash his reputation machine" is in overdrive.
Second this. HN was running perfectly fine, with some relatively quiet WWDC threads, quite some time after the keynote ended. Apple's Developer site went down at the same time.
I thought that as well.
This is really the use case that http://PMRobot.com addresses, keeping set up fairly simple, while allowing clients to be as involved as they want. Either dealing with everything from their email, or else just logging in and submitting issues as they wish.
This is not the first time they've decided there are elements that don't need to be part of the base machine. Each time there were outcries but they were proven right in the end. When's the last time you needed an optical drive for example? And did you see the mention under Thunderbolt 2 of "add a PCI expansion chassis" - that's their answer for those who really really need expansion.
> Can you explain to me why it makes sense to ban machine guns?

No.
I look forward to Apple literally rolling them out in the near future
But most people really don't, and especially not from NSA.

How can we say that though, when we don't really know what the NSA is collecting, what they are doing with it, who they are sharing it with, etc.? The actual data collection per-se aside, one of the biggest problems with this whole setup is that we have allowed the development of a "shadow government" (not in the conspiracy theory sense, mind you) that lacks effective oversight (Congress is not sufficient oversight in my book), and is barely - if at all - accountable to the American people. Between the NSA, the CIA, the FISA courts, and FSM knows what other agencies - as well as "National Security Letters" and "gag orders" - we have a monster on our hands that we barely know anything about.
because you're in Siberia, it's 1:00 am, it's dark, you are drunk and need more time to plug that damn thing into the right whole.

Genuine answer as I see it.
Notes on the tortured logic of Edward Snowden's critics
I think I would vote for allowing call logs to be trackable by the NSA. Maybe other things like that, with some checks in place (mostly to prevent this data getting out of their hands).

But I want to know about these trade-offs, and I don't care if that makes them less effective.

There's no way NSA should be looking at private email, phone, VOIP, social networking communication en masse.
Danese is not actually the foremost authority on this, and she did not really "write the license". The license is based on the MPL (Mozilla Public License), and was written by Sun's legal staff in consultation with management and others inside of Sun at the time.

I know it would be wonderful to just wrap the licensing conspiracy theories up in a pretty bow because it fits your logical conclusions, but it isn't that simple.

I'm not saying that Danese is lying, just that she is wrong. There is a difference. Danese may have believed that it was done for the reasons she claims, but that doesn't make it so just because it's convenient to believe it.

There are far more people that have said that Danese is wrong that are qualified to do so; with that, I feel safe in saying she is wrong (nevermind my own involvement).
Indeed, I was expecting that Siri can follow a simple conversation. Like a Turing test for children but only answers a few questions like "What is your name?" or "How old are you?".
I might use it on my resume or my projects list. Not really sure yet.
"Realist speaking from experience"
Obligatory: poll responses voluntary. Poll results meaningless. Responders lie. pg, please remove the ability to create polls because it just introduces noise. It might have been useful at one time, but not anymore.
I use it. So ... nobody+1 I guess?
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Yes and no. Sovereign immunity is more complex than you're making it out to be, and cannot be delegated, either to public officials or to companies.
Companies like Google ought to have internal audits to detect rogue employees. (These audits are usually put in place after the first time a curious employee snoops on a famous person.) If the employee refuses to justify his actions, he's fired.
Focusing on the president (small p, for the actual person) is the wrong conversation. The debate should focus on the President and the role and scope of the Executive. That requires more than educating the average voting citizen. It requires a public discussion of the moral and ethical pitfalls of a powerful Executive in context of world history. Even then, it misses the bulk of the issue. The masses elect and re-elect a legislature with <15% approval rating.

If you look at the 2012 presidential debate topics, it is mostly devoid of any real substantive insights into the candidates world view or ethics. This leaves the citizens to deduce disparate idealized versions of the candidate based on mostly trivial or momentary current event topics. Combined with the two party system, you get a citizenry with black and white goggles. The average person never has to think philosophically about how elected officials might steer the moral and ethical direction of the country.
I'd love to know which party would have axed this.
One low-end xeon (and one ati) is pretty low end. Xeons are not that much of a premium at the lower levels. ECC RAM is worth it to me. (the question is where the low end is vs. Mac Mini; I'd consider a low end one as a HT box vs. a Mac Mini, even)
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The same could be said to all those uncomfortable with the NSA snooping. Why make it worse by inflicting a tax burden on everyone with it? Just be more careful next time. ;) You seem to imply that the only people to blame here are those NOT opposed to it. Like there was some magic that discounts all the votes of the people really freaked out by this.
Heh, I bet you're somewhere with high bandwidth, no data caps and very low latency.

Here, I'm 30-60ms away from the big datacentres, and 200-400ms away from the US. Data is capped at ~500gb per month on the high end plans, and that's both upload and download. I'm lucky to get 10 megabits down, 1 megabit up on a good day.

Coupled with the fact our country's going to head back to the 1950s with the inevitable change of government next election, screw the cloud.
The survey itself? Probably not.

The conclusion most people are likely to draw from it and apply it overarchingly, that is what I question.
I mostly agree with this. I have owned three mac pros. I use them for development work. I like them because they are fast, well-built, run OS X (which I like), I can put lots of RAM in them, and put a few extra hard drives in with software RAID.

There isn't much about this announcement that excites me. I don't think I need two graphics cards (though maybe 4K will be nicer than I realize). I don't need it to be smaller and I don't really care what it looks like, as long as it is well built. But:

* I have had really good experiences with past mac pros, and poor experiences with hardware from other vendors, so I am reluctant to switch.

* The cost differential of a mac pro vs. an imac is not that great, relative to the cost of development time, so I am likely to give the mac pro the benefit of the doubt. If the benchmarks show it is significantly faster, I will probably just go with it.

I do wonder who is excited about this machine. I think another commenter is right - it is the video editors and high end graphics types this machine is truly built for.
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This is really the use case that http://PMRobot.com addresses, keeping set up fairly simple, while allowing clients to be as involved as they want. Either dealing with everything from their email, or else just logging in and submitting issues as they wish.
You can now see how long the line is at Blue Bottle in Mint Plaza before making the walk over.
That paucity of slots is what got me to thinking...

I was wondering if the idea would be to daisy chain these together via TB 2 and see one workstation with... say ...36 cores or whatever.

I'm trying to determine if that would be a possibility. In essence, is the Mac Pro a Thunderbolt 2 "processing" device? Or could it be made to be one?

If it were...

Man...

put me down for a couple of them. I mean you could potentially get a 48 core "workstation" in 1/2 the volume of the current Mac Pro.
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Yes.

If you could stick an engine from a MAN Support Vehicle[1] in a Toyota Prius, it doesn't make it a MAN Support Vehicle...

[1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/billkatygemma/6281032897/

Edit: in context the cowardly parent poster suggested that because it has a Xeon E5 in it, it isn't consumer junk.
It's not quite the same thing though. Yes, judges are appointed for life, and can't (usually) be removed from office, etc. But with the "regular" federal court system, at least we know who the judges are, who appointed them, and we can see / read / review the actual decisions and what-not. To me, that's a pretty marked difference from the FISA courts.

Nonetheless, I do agree with your basic point. When I get my hands on a TARDIS, I'll be sure to let Thomas Jefferson know how I feel about all this! :-)
I'm not sure perfect voice recognition is actually the problem. I think I have pretty solid voice recognition capabilities myself yet the cognitive load to determine what it is that someone wants is still high.
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The government couldn't keep thousands of diplomatic cables, videos, the War logs and now the existence of PRISM confidential. What makes you so confident that someone who as the same access has this guy did isn't selling your data to companies for his own personal benefit?

If you think this guy is dangerous, how can you be OK with the NSA collecting all this data about you, when they trust dangerous people with it?
Hm, I'm really, really surprised. I'd like to hear the results for Google Now. I use it probably half a dozen times a day, though I probably only have to actively talk to it once or twice a day when I'm going somewhere out of the ordinary and need directions.
yeah, that is nice. It still doesn't make one clearly better. Currently the best iRadio alternative would be to use Google Play for purchased music and Pandora for radio... and that would still be more expensive than iTunes Match. iTunes has more exclusive artists than Google Play and
256kbps AAC is better quality than 320kbps MP3 and requires less bandwidth.
And it's the content of your EDIT AGAIN to which tptacek was referring. If people had looked more deeply than "former DOJ prosecutor", as you put it, into this whackadoo's history, they'd have seen this isn't much of a thing.
You're not wrong that it doesn't feel the same his week, but is that a bad thing? Seems to me that even from a technology business perspective this is vastly more important than any iOS revelation could possibly be as fun as it might be to read about. I find the constant NSA discussion depressing and exhausting but not baffling. Its very relevant to hn IMO.
Flash would have been the better option for the animation ;)
PCIe will probably be in the next generation of iMacs.
That is the power of fear for you. Terror in it's self.
I agree. Apple has used the geometry of the device to assist more with cooling, and shares the heat sink among components, and uses one large slow fan. This kind of thing really pushes my buttons.

It's 10" high, which is unexpectedly compact. It seems like the designers have chosen a shape to maximize use of space. I'm sure it isn't the only way to go but it's a wonderful next step.

Again Apple has shown us what we want when we thought we just wanted "more".
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