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Lync 2013 fully supports XMPP federation.
Cisco's IM offerings support XMPP federation.
IBM's Sametime supports XMPP federation.

Numerous organizations have deployments of these and other, smaller XMPP IM servers.

As for cherry picking standards, isn't that exactly what you're doing with your statement on Chromium and web standards?
We're accepting it with our wallets. If the pain wasn't worth the cost they wouldn't be able to do this
Oh. So, you don't have to part with $25mil for as long as you want to stay in business, you just need to pay $1mil in non-refundable interest every year until you want to go out of business. Sounds perfectly cromulent.
Or, don't do this. Other professionals (accountants, lawyers) will happily meet with you for an hour or so and give advice without charging anything. Consider being like them.

It's not unfair to charge for a proposal (and the process that generates it), but it's unusual, and it creates a large risk that the client has to shoulder (if I don't like your proposal, then what? The proposal is most of what I have to go on for how good a fit you are in the first place!)

I wouldn't do business with a contractor that demanded payment for proposals. I say this as the operator of a business in which proposals are seriously expensive to generate. I wrote a large proposal last week after a series of phone meetings, and the proposal didn't generate any business. Oh well! That's life in the big leagues.
I have no problem with the search engine Google. I still use it-- and Gmail, too.

At least 90% of the people at Google are really solid. Good people, great engineers. I have a dislike for the management, not the people or the products.
R 3.0.1 source updated at GitHub
According to the Wikipedia page the last eruption at Eifel was 10,000 years ago and it looks like 10,000 to 20,000 years between eruptions, so you might get your wish!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eifel
Geez, I was referring to mtgx as a Google fanboy and MS hater, certainly not cooldeal.
Isn't Facebook chat XMPP?
Sudden cardiac arrest is quite common amongst the population as a whole (http://www.sca-aware.org/about-sca). What's rather uncommon is it to happen at a young age, but it's not unknown. In the four years I was at college two students suffered fatal arrests, both thought to be healthy with no prior symptoms.
If that was "Our users do not feel the need for Gmail so much as to make it profitable, we are pursuing other options, hence our GMail servers will be closed down in 3 months' time. You can continue communicating using Google+." I'd say yeah, they are losing some real-world perspective.
I thought that might be the case.

Trouble with university funding depts is that they're usually slow, although my University isn't too bad: at least they let their Researchers take on outside contracts like this & I believe will handle all the paperwork / legals for a small cut. I'll forward your link round the department. Someone might bite...
Google haven't squashed nearly enough little bugs. Google search results are still full of crappy vertical search engines and other zero-value content whose entire business model is based on them getting in the way of finding the information I actually want.

Every time I search for reviews of a laptop, say, I get page after page of autogenerated sites that have not one iota of content to call their own, but still manage to rank highly for "<model> reviews". They're the main ones that have been yelling about Google screwing them.
http://www.mslinux.org/
Too bad you got caught trying to delete your troll post here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5717922
I think it is good to see a segment of the population (one with a large voice) being pushed to understand and pay attention to computer security. Perhaps this will help more things become more secure by default, or enable things like two-factor auth.
Lots of strangely negative reactions here. We (http://inky.com) think this is a positive development and plan to support it as well. We're happy Google has promoted open standards in doing this.
That is really not OK. People who publish such information and call for vigilante justice should be found and prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law.

Even if we knew with 100% certainty that the boss played a role in this guy’s death (which we don’t), then it would be up to the DA and the court, not the angry mob with pitchforks or the cowardly script kids on 4chan.
Lync looks really nice with that

edit: XMPP federation feature is not available in Ofice365 Lync options, that's sad
No one is taking xmpp away from your server or the applications that are using it; but take Facebook: did they do any effort of integrating their chat with the Gmail one?
To be clear: this is an attack that works if you're compiling and executing malicious Golang code, as if it were Javascript.
Well If I were you, I would color the points themselves. And follow the coloring scheme HN already uses (lighter grey for weaker and darker grey for stronger) If the points become unreadable due to very low score, user can always double click on it and it will highlight in blue background.
Yeah.. it's not like forms work in Gmail. oh wait they do.
Get your facts straight.
I have been a customer of the Google Search Appliance for about 5 years now and their customer support has only improved. 5 years ago it was honestly terrible but now I find it relatively fine.
they've even got commits in the Linux kernel!
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A friend of mine that works in MS uses it for Skype-related development. MS have deployed a number of Linux-based Skype supernodes to improve connectivity.
Cambridge is very expensive as well. While it is not as expensive as London, I don't think it makes much difference, unless you want to hire people with families (Cambridge is much more affordable if you want a garden, things like that). For younger people, I think they would be willing to spend a bit more for a bit less space in a vibrant city compared to a city which is not very exciting to say the least.
R 3.0.1 released
http://www.r-project.org/
What annoys me most i cant use my mouse scroll wheel you have to avoid the comment boxes.

They only planned for mobile / tablet first. And made it work on desktop.
I will definitely be using this!
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> Beautiful non-bloated minimal UI, you don't have to spend hours customizing

I would add (as a #! fan who also runs it on an older Core 2 Duo) that the default UI is also extremely user-friendly to tweak out of the box if you do want to customize it. Conky makes for some really cool desktop displays, and Openbox is very easily configurable (see also the reviewer's mention of Tint2). Though I suppose those are aspects of Conky and Openbox specifically, they exemplify the feel of using Crunchbang as a whole.

I'd like to also reiterate that their forums are fantastic, especially for getting some easy cut-paste config changes.

As someone who used it as my second Linux distro (after Ubuntu iirc) after knowing only Windows, it made the transition very easy and fun.
Try asking the ones you'd like to work with.
To some degree the answer depends on what you need from a physical location. Some of the benefits you get with London:

* Density of people with expertise - easy to hire or find people with specialist skills

* Variety of talent levels - getting people at the right level if you're building an extended team

* Availability of people with similar experiences - support groups; shared space

* Availability of support services - legal, financial, VC

* Supportive employment and tax region - UK rather than London specific

* Large market for testing and product validation - UK is both a gateway to Europe and has similarities to the US if you're moving your product from Europe

* Language and time zone advantageous if you are multi-region

If you're a light-weight start-up with a small team that has all the skills to create and bring the product to market then it may be less important.

If you're likely to grow into a small company (say you're VC backed) and need lots of different skills then London has advantages - these are the same advantages any large city or Silicon Valley has and they vary to degrees. Note that in that scenario direct cost of salary is only one element in the total cost of running the business.
Pitch.rs is knowledge sharing and beers
What a bunch of semantic sophistry. Argue that something isn't completely well-define is not the same as refuting it.

I'm no racist, but I'm as sure race exists as I am the sun and the moon. In America we play games with it and pretend its not really something. But just live in a monoculture like, say, the rest of the planet and you'll come to understand race intimately.
Well, I submitted this story to see what the reaction of HN posters is. Well, almost no one here is commenting on topic because they seem to be squirming and are instead going on complete tangents by commenting about commenters and everyone else and then the submission gets flagged off the front page like every story on this Google C&D and you're accusing me of personal attacks? Really? How about some basic ethics, integrity and consistency from the other posters instead of trying to pretend that Google can do wrong and trying to derail and flag the story?
Works for me with IE 10 and Chrome.
I installed CrunchBang on my aging Core 2 Duo desktop (2.3GHz, 4GB RAM). Whenever I played about with Linux before, I installed Arch, but this time I couldn't be bothered with the initial setup.

So far, I love it. Enough that I'm seriously considering making it a full-time switch. I've made a few tweaks (compiled a newer kernel, installed systemd) and I've now got an old PC that boots in just a few seconds and is more than responsive enough for my day-to-day use. I didn't _have_ to do those tweaks though, as everything worked right out of the box anyway.
"This email best viewed in Chrome."
I find it interesting that Facebook actually had "beautiful" multi-column content first, but people hated it (citation needed) because it was hard to read while scrolling around. FB went back to having a single column on the right and showing only static information on the left.

Now after FB has corrected its mistake, G+ insists on repeating it...
This a reference to the "Protocols."
In my case it was the ONLY solution. I've became extremly addicted to it and couldn't spend a day without checking facebook, heck an hour without doing so.

And I know it just started as a way to meet people, join events, "advertise" myself. But I got caught into the game and played it way too much that it became pathetic.

Some people say that men think about sex every 7 seconds. Which might be true in my case but that's not the point. I had thoughts about facebook so many times during the day it became... weird. Maybe I'm a good field for addiction (I got heavily addicted in IRC back then that I had to give up all my channels to friends (which were pretty big on Quakenet at the time) so I could be able to focus on real life things).

I have no idea why I wrote so much but when you don't use facebook in a clever way sometimes you just HAVE TO let it go. Not by lazyness but by lack of willpower. At least for a while. I personnaly gave my password to a friend and he changed it. I'm not touching my facebook for at least a month, maybe more. Until I can learn to cleverly use it again. Networking is important but efficience of my time is even more.
> People keep banging on about "plain text, plain text" what is wrong with plain text?

Well it's not exactly secure, for one thing.

> Also email attachments can be binary encoded, base64 is just one option.

base64 is a method for encoding binary. You cannot send raw binary other ASCII - which is why base64 is used in SMTP.

> People are free to say that SMTP is "bad" or "broken" but they have to say exactly why that is the case.

Actually I have given a long list of reasons every time I've complained about SMTP[1][2]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5510910
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5297472
Multiple implementations are a strength. In fact, you won't see a good replacement for SMTP without multiple independent implementations.

(What will it look like? I would guess it will look like a two-part service, with one protocol for servers to talk to each other and another for clients to talk to servers. Servers will send tiny notifications to other servers that mail is available for their subscribers; then the receiving servers will retrieve the mail and cache it or store it for clients. This changes the spam problem fundamentally by requiring some persistence on the part of the sending server.)
So how's the performance vs the native client?
I don't think the reactions are strange at all. Google have a bad track record in implementing things and then abandoning them for one.

I want my email to be a consistent experience - not to get some different behavior if I access through a certain device. Email and its simplicity was universal - I saw the same text on my phone, tablet, laptop and desktop. Will every mail sender who makes use of this, include the JSON and an alternative link to achieve the same result. I think this could get very inconsistent very quickly. Fragmenting email is not something I like the idea of.

For Google Apps customers' internal mails I think this is useful. For the wider Internet I don't like it.
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I couldn't even get their online Validator to accept their example code. I'm guessing they're still working on it.
Okay let me explain it. Microsoft wanted to point out that Gmail scans the contents of email while Outlook.com doesn't in the Scroogled campaign.

And now Google is trying legal tactics with a C&D to takedown to prevent Windows Phone users from getting a very popular smartphone app, YouTube, so they're smearing themselves here and helping the scroogled compaign paint them as evil.
Can the response include who is clicking the action? For example, if you want to take a quick poll from within an email that is sent to multiple people, can you identify who is voting for what?
When to refactor code
Why don't they support a mechanism which works with plain text emails? E.g. put the JSON stuff into a header field.

Btw how would one suggest something like this officially? There seems to be no issue tracker or anything for gmail.
I don't think putting the blame squarely on the managers is a wise thing to do. Bad managers are symptoms to larger problems of society. A better goal in this case is getting people informed about the truths and the back stories of our nice electronics and where they came from, who made them, in what conditions, etc.
Another Microsoft developer has been working on Hyper-V drivers for FreeBSD, which've recently been merged into the master branch: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/vendor/hyperv/dist/

Once they're polished, I hope we'll see FreeBSD VMs supported on Azure!
I'm a lot more impressed now that I see the port is Mono and not MS' own "rotor" implementation.
Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot? I'll explain how we perhaps got to this point.

In your comment here[1][2] with the quote, your pronoun usage and the reply you gave, one could take it as you were referring to cooldeal, which prompted my reply and beliving you were accusing him and not mtgx. Since you cleared it up, not a big deal, but just showing how it can get misinterpreted.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5717816

[2] > CloudNine 1 hour ago | link

>Also, what if I was him/her? Whats your problem, really. Well, looking at his previous postings he seems quite the dedicated Google fan and Microsoft hater.
UK record labels launch unprecedented anti-Torrent campaign
Repetitions are often a result of changing requirements things that can't (normally) be automated. If you think that enterprises are doing it wrong and you know more than them, you could become rich by showing them the right way of doing things - on one condition: you have to prove what you're claiming. :)
Small design and usability details matter a lot more than you think
The next update is planned to be released on 1st of May.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G/Schedule_Roadmap
Just wanted to chime in to say I'm having the same issue on iPhone 5 @8:29AM EDT
I will check that out, thanks! I was looking at Hector and Pelops at the time and I don't believe they provided anything like that. But now that you mention it, I bet Hive could do what you describe as well. Need to dig a bit deeper now!
Desktop trends, gleaned from 50 million downloads of Apache OpenOffice
MS actually has a deep Unix history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
> Is there anyone else of any consequence out there who is building these sorts of messaging apps on top of XMPP?

I use XMPP to talk with Google Talk users from an XMPP account hosted on my own server. I will be annoyed if Google users are driven away from Google Talk to something that I cannot interact with unless I use a Google account.
The data format is open, but no other client will read and interpret these inbox actions
Recruiters are the chickens. Without them, what's the point of building an egg warehouse?

Yes, I know the metaphor is confused.
Back when google first listed my families business they had mined the data and logged the business address as my moms address. The problem with this was that the family business was a ghetto auto parts junk yard. Not only have we had murders there, but they place has also been robbed, attempted to be put on fire etc.

When I went to change the address of the business it took google over 2 weeks to process. On top of that trying to reach them to get them on the phone to explain the situation and why it was dangerous was a whole other hassle. They really had a lack of understanding in this situation and it was frustrating. Overall, the issue did get fixed, but nobody felt comfortable about it then and it still ticks us off now.
Yes, but AFAIK it is not federated, i.e. you cannot talk with Facebook chat users without a Facebook account.
Whenever I hear about Google doing some genuine technology, it just makes me a million times more fucking angry to compare what Google must be like if you're a Real Googler (machine learning projects, basic research, quantum computing, meaningful work) to the misery that the other 90% endure.

I feel like this should be much more of an HR problem than it seems to be. Whenever it comes out that Google's real members are working on a neat AI or robotics problem, everyone who's stuck working on some dead-end maintenance project for some terminal middle manager ought to go to a VP and say, "I want on this cutting-edge technology now or I will fucking quit." That 18-months bullshit should be cause for shit to get blown up.
Android Studio dumps Eclipse for IntelliJ IDEA
The 'Communities' part of Google+ is pretty good for following particular topics. It's the only reason I use Google+.
Please stop using the shape of fruit anti-EU attack. The shape of fruit is regulated in the EU because it was demanded by the producers of said fruit and the manufacturers of the machinery they use.
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We the Geeks: White House hosts Google+ Hangout to discuss Grand Challenges
First thing I did. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be available for the Communities pages.
You're missing my point. The previous poster stated that nobody was using XMPP and I was simply stating that wasn't true.

I'm not worried that Google might someone how hack into my server and kill XMPP on that, nor am I commenting on the level of the Facebook Chat integration with the wider XMPP community (in fact the reason I run my own XMPP server was to have a private channel, so I can completely understand why Facebook have chosen to do so as well).

My comment was just stating that XMPP is still widely used - despite other peoples claims that Google were it's only supporters.
How does one date water?
Seconded, been using it for a while with no issues.
I thought I'd read somewhere previously that Google claimed rights to be able to do whatever they wanted with your data... I'm looking at that now and it's not clear to me but I may have been wrong about that.
Pretty much everyone I know considers Israel to be a middle eastern country. While it's true that European Jews have absorbed a huge amount of European culture and are Europeans for all intents and purposes, whether Israel can be considered a part of Europe is extremely debatable.

Just because certain nations are culturally close, that doesn't suddenly close the geographical gap between them. New Zealand and Australia are culturally much closer to Europe than Turkey and yet that doesn't make them a part of Europe.

Now, to say that Israel is a western country would be correct (as are US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and possibly even many central and south American countries). But to say that they are in Europe would be incorrect. Let's stick to geographical facts and not reinvent common knowledge, shall we?
I'd be inclined to give direct managers a pass, in most cases. Chances are, the guy's direct boss is working in the same horrible conditions as he had.

I still think that this man must be avenged, possibly many degrees up the chain. Where in the hierarchy that happens, I don't have the information that would be needed to call that shot.

A better goal in this case is getting people informed about the truths and the back stories of our nice electronic sand where they came from, who made them, in what conditions, etc.

I agree. And I'd like to see alternatives. I'm glad that China is industrializing. That's a really good thing. However, I'd prefer the option to pay $200 more for a device made in humane conditions.
Extreme syntax
>A GUI should offer you all and only the valid operations you can perform

Visual Studio does this, mostly and it's way too annoying.
I see your point, but consistency of email display went out the window with HTML email. We (and Google, and hopefully everybody else providing mail readers) put a ton of work into sanitizing HTML before rendering it in the preview pane. This makes mail display a delicate balance between safety and preserving the sender's intent. It's already a far from trivial problem, and is one of the hundred or so non-obvious reasons why making a mail client isn't easy.

What's nice about what they've done here is that they've required an additional (but now standard) level of authentication for the senders who want to include this richer, more actionable content. And they haven't hardwired this into Google Plus or some other walled garden. That's welcome, IMO.
That's all true, but try the 'Communities' function for a given topic you are interested in if you haven't already. I use Google+ for that exclusively, after giving it up due to the same observations you made.
>Well it's not exactly secure, for one thing.

No more or less secure than HTTP/HTTPS. In fact exactly as secure as...

>base64 is a method for encoding binary. You cannot send raw binary other ASCII - which is why base64 is used in SMTP.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3030

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2045

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Content-Transfer-Encoding

>Actually I have given a long list of reasons every time I've complained about SMTP
>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5510910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5297472

Your list is full of misinformation.

- Base64 thing is nonsense. As already stated SMTP supports binary and has for a long time.

- SMTPS is fairly well supported. In fact I currently connect to nothing which lacks it, and my email client auto-selects it when setting up new connections. Most of the hosts as far as I know support SMTPS out-of-the-box.

- SMTP reply codes are standardised (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1893.txt)

- HTML is standardised.

- SMTP is not designed to be real-time. That is what IM is designed to provide.