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Have you noticed how... "mainstream" porn stars have become in the last decade (at least, in U.S. society/media)?

Whether or not one agrees with a particular element, I think such influences are significant.

And, to extent this point a bit further and perhaps offer a contrasting viewpoint, for all the "objectification" of women that this prevalence may be promoting -- and I'm not saying there aren't some fairly pernicious influences, in this regard -- it also seems to be shaking off some of the cultural taboos about speaking openly about sex.

The outcome of such influences is not simple.

And being able to dialog about them is essential to understanding them. Which includes access that is not overly, artificially constrained. And which includes citation and reuse within the arts, for example. As well, in reporting, peer-to-peer (e.g. sharing game play videos), etc.

Once such influences have been released into culture, I don't agree with a private party having an exclusive hand on the spigot to just turn off access to and so informed conversation about such influences.

Reasonable compensation is one matter. Control of cultural dialog is another.
MLMs? Homeopathy clinic? Scientology knockoff?
Looks like another basic todo list / short notes app. I was picturing something more like Evernote when I first heard of this.

Also, anyone else see the irony in Google naming this "Keep" after killing Reader and other products? How long is this product going to last before it gets axed (with all my todos and notes) like so many other Google services?
Setting aside syncing and caching (which are not trivial with hundreds of feeds), that solution doesn't address the problem of your readers. Google Reader was a social product, connecting readers to sources.

Basically, Google is canceling the direct RSS blog subscriptions that countless blog readers have accumulated over the years. To be sure, it's a fairly low barrier for them to export and thus renew through another provider (be it Twitter or another RSS reader or Google Plus). But even though this seems to readers of Hacker News like a fairly low barrier, some casual or less tech-savvy readers will be left behind.

At least that's what I expect to happen to my blog, which is followed by a very non-technical audience -- the bulk of whom subscribe through some Google Reader-powered source.
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> As far as I've read they talked to each other, not her.

You should read her blog, then.

> Also I'd like some source for that 1/6 people faces risk of physical assault for their religion.

No, it's 1 in 6 women who will be sexually assaulted in their lifetimes. Note the "if" in my statement. My point is that your example doesn't really work, because in the US people don't generally risk assault just for being a particular religion.

Also, I think it's unfortunate that you are willing to make people afraid just so you can tell a joke. It's your prerogative, of course. But so is getting called out for it. Including, as with these folks, on Twitter.
Seriously, I can understand that losing a service like google reader might be very impractical or disappointing but the amount of melodrama that is being shed is amazing, and to be quite frank some people are being quite whiny and entitled.

Is the closing of Reader ideal? NO! But you have to know something like that might happen, plus they're giving enough time for people to migrate to other services and exporting your data couldn't be easier.

My question is what are you going to do? Go to other services for everything, never use a google product again in case it closes down? I'd argue that there is even a better chance of any other small dedicated startup to fall apart than google closing down their one of their product, if you wan't to be really sure something is "forever", self host, but don't lie to yourself, that's not even close to a perfect solution.
We should all start using Google Plus more. Still don't understand why people won't make the switch.
To be fair to PSF Jesse Noller was not involved, and we were not escorted out of the building. Their accounting of the issue can be found here: http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inapprop...
Adria's behaviour is reminiscent of a classic high school snob. Complain about someone you don't like, get them punished and gain fame.

If anything this reflects highly on SendGrid's work-culture. I can only imagine what her colleagues go through on a daily basis if she can do this to a rank outsider. Fear, intimidation and high-handedness in a workplace is the last thing anybody should have to deal with.
the tech community is curious sometimes. When a startup pivots, for a chance for something better its celebrated. When Kevin Rose shuts down oink cause it doesn't meet his initial expectations its applauded. Yet everyone wants to speculate how important Reader was to a vocal few (only google knows active user number) and they are the bad guy for possibly shutting down a niche service for a few to focus on bigger ambitions. Export and maybe one of the newer products are better, yet no one wants to event try that and would rather attack a reasonable business decision.
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No, you are not alone. I'm surprised we made it this far without python → snake → penis being mentioned.
And suddenly we all know who we are dealing with.
Yep, more will be coming online. Looks like you can track updates at http://twitter.com/NextDayVideo until it's all up.
Her initial response was a twitter message with the pycon hashtag and a picture of the "culprits". It was demanding a lynch mob resolution. She never directly replied to or messaged pycon staff, though she had the wherewithal to search up the code of conduct.
You realise there were feed services that went kaput because of Reader[1] and one fine day Google decided to give it an injection. Is it really that difficult to see this happening to sth like Evernote or Simplenote? I mean seeing Google's reach it's very much possible.

And as Malik has raised the question in his post - what's in it for Google? No one seems to know this. They might just be testing one of their APIs by building this app.

Anyway, this app is clunky.

[1]Google Reader used to mean RSS the way Search means Google Search and this is very important.
It's still the TED brand and gains credence from the connection (to give to snake oil peddlers, sincere or not.)
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Your point that DB Procedures as a separation of logic being a reasonable choice I think boils down as much to your criteria of a reasonable choice. Good design is about understanding your priorities and how they affect the outcome.

For example, if I prioritize tests and testability higher than just shipping code, then I will very like care a lot about where my logic lives and if I can test it. If I just care about shipping code, where my logic lives and how I test it is less important than a working product.

Well informed tradeoffs are often reasonable choices.
Give it to me for freeeeee!!!!

But listen to me when I tell you how to run your service that costs money.

Riiiiigghhhttt.
I've been trying to put together a basic demo project that seems to do most of the things you're asking about: https://github.com/benburton/trakio

Hopefully it can be of use!
There is an amazing amount of splitting hairs and diversions in this post. Trying to say that it's an anatomical vs sexist joke, as if that made a difference, that's ridiculous. A big dongle refers to size of the male organ, big male organs refer to sex, (not your prowess at the urinal...) The issue that they might have been homosexuals and how that gives them a pass is baseless as well.
For someone who has spent years supposedly studying this and who in the end agrees that it was inappropriate, you are certainly going out of your way to argue otherwise.

This is sadly a typical response to any time a women makes claims about sexism in the Internet. It's predictable that there will be a response that says that
A) the act was not sexist
B) she over-reacted
C) and anyways women are sexist too.
The first two are made without the person in question having witnessed the incident at all. The third is a meaningless point. Even if it were true, so what? that other people are sexist, does not excuse inappropriate behavior for anyone. I can't hit someone and then say it's ok because other people hit people too.
For all your supposed Marxist/progressive credentials, you are making the same tired argument made by every idiot on the internet
>Edit: and to actually get to will_brown's point: it would therefore technically not be improper to serve a takedown notice on something that would be covered by fair use, as technically fair use is infringement (otherwise you wouldn't need a "fair use" of it).

I do not think that is correct. According to 17 U.S.C. § 107:

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. [Emphasis mine]
Scala has Tuples, so you can declare:

val t = ("hello", 42)

You guys should love this! It makes something Java-compatible (a Tuple2<String, Integer>), while being a bazillion times less verbose.

The price for doing this in the JVM with reasonable Java-compatibility is that Tuple2<A,B> is a different class than Tuple3<A,B,C> than Tuple4<A,B,C,D>. Tuple goes to 22.

Collections-like frameworks dealing with Tuples often have to generate versions of methods that operate on one of each version of tuple, which is why you see 22 methods here, one to generate each version.

As much as I think scala is a little kitchen sink already, and macros are yet another feature I don't think people need in scala, they'd be useful to generate this code pattern.
That's weird. I'm getting a page with animated gif's on the right side that make the page unreadable. If I had epilepsy, there's a good chance that I'd be walking down the street naked right now.
> You realise there were feed services that went kaput because of Reader

People keep saying something like this without providing real examples. I can believe Reader's existence might have depressed the market for new feed readers (though there have long been competitors around--lots of open source and built in ones, and a few for-pay ones too, like Feedly), but I haven't been able to personally think of any feed readers that were crushed by Reader coming out.

I may just have forgotten them, though (2005 was a long time ago). Anyone have good examples?
Wanting to be compensated for work done is now "poisoning the atmosphere"? Jesus Christ...
I don't find that comment "gross" at all. If I fired everyone who said "gross" things at work or at conferences, we'd have no employees, but we clearly have different definitions of gross. I would however, be annoyed if someone said those things to a client.

But I bet you wouldn't even bat an eyelash if I made those jokes and sometimes I worry I have gotten into bad habits with my language because of who I am. I confess I have made the forking joke myself and everyone thought it was cute and funny because I'm a five foot tall woman. It is not a sexist joke, it might be in bad taste. Gross is totally subjective.
You don't believe in "proportionate response"?

The degree of the reaction is completely separate from the degree of the offense?

Consider Oritz vs. Swartz.
The only American pronunciation that stops me in my tracks is "nitch" for 'niche'. Whereas in the UK we'll pronounce it "neesh".
That's exactly what leftists college professors teach and get PHDs for writing about.

The real question is: who had the power in this situation, and who was powerless? They teach that people in power are straight white males but it looks like a new hierarchy is in town.
Hi! Thanks for the civilized reply.

I understand you don't get it. I'm saying that's partly because you don't have a visceral fear of sexual assault. You also probably don't have much experience with unwanted sexual advances. And you've probably never been sexually harassed. You also may not have experienced being a visibly different minority in a situation where that raises your risk of unpleasantness or violence.

I don't think the jokes themselves were scary. I doubt Adira did either. But sexualization of a professional environment can be scary. So we are finally starting to say that it's not allowed at tech conferences.
Those are interesting ideas to be sure. DB independence is a worthy and difficult goal, but take it one step further and take the same approach for APIs, queues, databases, or any external system.
Yeah, in Europe, or Canada, they'd both be in prison.
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Safe? Why would that make anyone feel unsafe?
The 22 overloaded versions of Future#join is a consequence of wanting to supporting all the possible method calls. It goes up to 22 because that is the limit to possible number of arguments in Scala. See, for example, the corresponding Function22 (https://github.com/scala/scala/blob/master/src/library/scala...) and Tuple22 case class (https://github.com/scala/scala/blob/master/src/library/scala...) from the Scala source.

You can't just use a catch-all argument like xs: Future* because you have to parameterize the types of the arguments.
So now we have license to police other people's conversations if we are members of a protected group?
Yes. He escalated in the same manner that she did. He made a personal attack.

The ends do not justify the means... especially when that one sentence was completely unnecessary. He could easily have taken a more civil tone... maybe said "Your pandering to her makes me feel uncomfortable"... the same way that you are suggesting that she approach the topic.
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Ah.

My reaction in her position a minute later would be to tend to regard continued joking as a continuation of the previous conversation and react accordingly. Particularly if they had given any reason to believe that she was paying attention previously.

Depending on circumstances, this might or might not have been an accurate description of what the people joking might have been thinking. And, of course, now that it has blown up there is virtually no chance that anyone will have clear enough memories of what actually happened and what people's states of mind were to sort this out.

In other words we can't at this distance sort out the facts. She may very well have had something real to have been upset at. She may have been misunderstanding what happened. Firing the guy was an overreaction. (And with the pitchforks out, I'm sure to be downvoted into oblivion for having said anything other than the party line that has been agreed on by consensus.)
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Words fail you? That view is establishment orthodoxy. Were you seriously not aware of that?
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I used Google Notebook extensively and wasn't surprised. It was laden with layout issues and paste with styles bugs. It was great while it lasted, but I personally didn't find it that shocking when it was closed.

There were plenty of other notebooks on the internet that actually had more features that worked better, a lot of them had methods to import from Google Notebook as well. Notebook was fading with Google Docs gaining steam (and I know they both had different feature sets).

They did keep Google Notebook running for a fairly significant time before they finally closed the doors and migrated the data to Drive.
Your exploitative example of walking into a gay bar is a disgrace. Assuming the record of events are true, the men in question at Pycon were making a joke about penises, not harassing a woman as stated in your analogy. They are two totally different things. Your failed attempt to appeal to homophobic tendencies does not qualify as an argument.
It's bittersweet in that the production is there but demand has not caught up.
I should have been clearer.

Most of the website, do not just ask Email. Most ask other info too, like my DOB, full name, Other Profile information. And when I say I "do not use", I am talking about the first time logins of course. I don't really know what kind of a website it is, legit or just a vapour. And I do not know in advance what information it will ask.

Take the example of The Old Reader, till recently they wanted to take control of your Contacts too(along with Reader; now they don't). I knew it once I was at past the Google SigIn page(and I aborted right there). It was frustrating even for those few seconds. Many do this.

So, I have given up on them altogether.

I mean I have OpenID accounts set up especially for this with the data I would like to provide for this. There Mozilla's Persona(it's Identity Management System)- etc. Why not use these?

And do not even get me started on Facebook. I don't open a website again if the only way to login was via Facebook. Paranoid? No, rather pissed off. (By the way, whenever I tried using Facebook logins the above mentioned problems surfaced only in bigger multitude).
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This is ridiculous. How hard is it to import an OPML file into any of the other feed services that already exist on the web, or those popping up everyday. Do we really need to keep regurgitating this story?! it's been dominating the front page for a week now.

Here are the differences between Reader and Keep: Reader was an abandoned and an unclaimed product, kept on life support.
Keep is a feature of Drive, a product which actually is acknowledged to be under someone's management

I hope Evernote will exist as it is now forever and that the author won't have eat his words someday.
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There will be no response from SendGrid, imo. Last thing they want is an unstable employee suing them. Any company that makes it far enough and hires enough people deals with this more than once. But, it's always hard.

I doubt she wanted to get them fired, but her hyperbole (joan of arc reference, and her comment on her blog "Yesterday the future of programming was on the line and I made myself heard") and complete lack of remorse tell me there is a lot more going on her then a one or two 'off color' jokes.
They sold them off partly because they had been poorly built and maintained. They were essentially outsourcing the maintenance costs to the residents and making them pay for the privelege. The units are mostly valued well below the surrounding stock, so unless they pay exhorbitant rents or move to the country they were no better off.

And for every person who made a bit of money from it, there was another who ended up having to sell back to the council for a reduced amount when they started knocking these things down in the 2000's.
Sorry, which part is rape paranoia?

As a guy, I'm not worried about rape. It very rarely happens to adult men.

But that's the problem I'm trying to draw attention to here: a guy's intuition of what is an inoffensive sexual comment will be very different than a woman's, because they face very different risks of sexual harassment and sexual assault.
The author has some points, but sadly they're mired in a lot of inaccurate ranting.
I understood that, and that is indeed the question I tried to answer.
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What is "sth"? Services? Software?
Merits of whether Keep is comparable to Reader aside - I wonder how long we're going to be seeing the "...but Google Reader" refrain from pundits.

The camps of opinion I've seen on how Google should behave:

1) Pundits: Support an increasingly burdensome array of fringe services which cost them more than they gain (in their opinion)

2) HN: Reduce their experimental forays and leave (for now) private/small companies to their niches.

3) Coders: open source the services when shuttering.

1 and 2 would seem anathema to Google - the next Facebook could be hiding in either the organizational lethargy created by the former or the failure to act on the latter.

3 is going to be prohibitively expensive or difficult depending on how the service was built.

I'm just not sure there's anything other than a lot of sound and fury in the future of these discussions, which makes them boring.
Keep is great - this is music to my ears... since buying a Nexus 4 I couldn't believe there wasn't a built-in app for notes, and I don't feel like paying for such a simple tool (sorry evernote) so I was using Gtasks... now that this is out, I'm happy (for now) still... damn u google for the inability to use BT and WIFI at the SAME TIME on a Nexus!!!!
Certainly keeping users focused and not adding junk to a process or a design or an app increases conversions/actions. There is a fine line I suppose where you force users down such a rabbit hole that you create/enforce bad behavior or allow for unethical design.
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It was a response to the grandparent who was making a point about how some things should not be tolerated and how the work place can become sexualized.

(from gp)

> The lesser issue still exists, though, of creating a 'sexual environment' where mentions of sex may make people who believe others may wish to engage them in sexual relations may feel threatened.

I was just saying that Twisted makes me feel this way ;-)

On a serious note:

There is another, more subtle issue at hand and that is that in the past PyCon has dealt with someone who was sent out over something inappropriate (and rightly so). After a that a strongly worded statement was issued about how organizers will be very sensitive to such issues in the future. I think that didn't escape Adria's attention. This year, at a moment's notice she saw an opportunity to go from 0 to 100 in terms of popularity. Given her position she will end up profiting handsomely from this.

She also made penis jokes previously on Twitter, and called you guys ass clowns in a world wide forum (twitter) -- your kids will end up seeing that picture some day. I think Jesse Noller (or whoever on the PSF side) should apologize to you. You were also PyCon attendees and sponsors and you had that happen to you. I am sorry. Twitter should remove your photo. Adria shouldn't be welcomed to PyCon anymore.

I think you should know that many in the community feel it was terribly unfair what happened. I hope you have a job offer lined up soon and maybe this will open an opportunity for you.

The best of luck.

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