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This is great, I've been wanting to do the same thing for our jenkins setup.
I think that if someone cares about these issues in the way you've outline and wants to operate from that frame, they need to talk about those issues directly. I agree that could be a reasonable discussion to have, but I don't think it's the discussion we're having.

But thanks for elucidating an alternative motive. I agree that you could step through the thinking outlined (though I'm not sure I would agree with some of those pieces) and end up at that position.

But, I do not believe the motive you presented is the simplest explanation for the actual motive that leads most people to that conclusion and the more likely explanation is that this is a repeat of the same dynamic that occurs whenever a woman in tech speaks out about women in tech in a way that seriously perturbs things.

This happens a lot. I think we'd be a lot farther on the issue than we are if we could assume that everyone was viewing these types of things through the lense of "what makes this issue better or worse?"
false. a sexist jokes is a joke that tries to find humor in the degradation of women. a joke using a puerile nickname for a penis does not find humor in the degradation of women. it finds humor (very little humor, in my opinion) in a juvenile notion that euphemisms for male genitals are funny.
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It's worth reading the original blogpost:

http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont...

I hope this developer will be able to find another job.

But consider that conference rooms are different. You can't make a joke about fire or a bomb there without potentially threatening public safety. By a similar logic, if you say things which negatively affect my state of being in the conference, then you are potentially at fault.

So is it possible to make a private joke in a conference room while someone is giving a presentation? I would argue that it is possible in some situations, but not in all situations. So before everyone rushes to judgement, consider whether this particular venue and setup does make the context for this joke different.

I think the employer overreacted. But while I think everyone has a right to tell whatever joke they want in private, in conference rooms, there are different rules for conversation being private.
So I read the post on PasteBin and also read Adria's blog post and here's what I took from it. Context matters. Dongle jokes in the presence of friends (male and female) may be fine, hilarious even, heck I'm giggling inside just typing the word "dongle". On the other hand, dongle jokes in a (not private, audible-to-others) conversation in a conference hall while representing your company are unprofessional, may be perceived by some to be sexist, and could be considered a fireable offense by your boss. Guys in tech need to realize it's not about what you think is sexist or not, it's about how your comments may make others feel. Yes, they need to be hyper aware that they're working with people with experiences wildly different from theirs; the hope is that one day such a diverse community will actually be reality.

And she didn't get the guy fired. I think she went too far posting their picture. But she wasn't the one making forking and dongle jokes while representing her company as a sponsor, he was. And she didn't make the determination that that was a fireable offense, which I can see how a PyCon-sponsoring company might see it as one.

Oh and she hasn't set women's rights back any. And women tend to have multiple perspectives on these things (what's sexist/discriminatory etc) as history has shown.
> Then I get out of the bar.

I don't feel that wpie's example was the best or even a good illumination of what he/she's trying to say, but the concern is legitimate. And saying, "If you feel uncomfortable, get out of the bar" is exactly the type of response that keeps making it hard for women in tech (and other subgroups in other groups). Would you say, "If male programmers make you uncomfortable, don't learn to program"? If you would, then that is part of the problem.

> Feel unsafe about what? Their safety? Those guys made two harmless dick jokes while sitting in a room with countless other people.

It's not really about one joke. It's about reinforcing a space that makes it easier to legitimize misogynist behavior through carelessness. Like you said, "in a room with countless other people"--these guys were in a professional setting, and the joke really had no place there. Maybe they didn't deserve to get fired over it, but it definitely was not the right venue.

> If I want to tell a blasphemous joke, do I have to take into account that someone could feel offended and fear for their safety because this joke could mean that I want to harm religious people?

Is that religious person one of very few religious people in a group of non-religious people? Then yes, you do. Your one joke will not make them think you are about to hurt them, no. But it will reinforce a space that makes being religious an easy thing to ridicule, and it will increment the fear counter for any particular person in that space, and more importantly, will legitimize the attitudes of the other non-religious people around you who might have otherwise not done their part in contributing to a hostile environment. Luckily for the religious, they rarely are in a position to be uncomfortable (well, unless you're anything but Christian in America), but if one of the goals of the space you are in is to make it a welcoming place for people of talent, religious or not, then telling blasphemous jokes is (obviously, I hope) not a way to do that.
different how? you're holding them responsible for something adria did at pycon.
She had many options. She could have gotten out of her seat and found a staff member to talk to. She could have sent an email. She could have called one of the numbers listed in the pycon code of conduct.

Instead, she posted a photo of some men on the Internet in order to publicly humiliate them. Are you advocating that people act this way whenever they get offended at a conference?
PyCon's response to an inappropriate incident on March 17th
http://pycon.blogspot.ca/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappropr...

"Both parties were met with, in private. The comments that were made were in poor taste, and individuals involved agreed, apologized and no further actions were taken by the staff of PyCon 2013. No individuals were removed from the conference, no sanctions were levied."
That's easier said than done. Programming is such a hard and specialized field, that very few people can be fully competent at it and have another field of business expertise. There are two general paths to that:

1. Study CS in school, get employed as a programmer in an unrelated industry and attempt to absorb industry knowledge from your coworkers outside the IT department (easier to do at a small company). Industry knowledge will inform your code projects and put them in context, but your job is still to write code and not to participate in business decisions.

2. Study business admin or econ in school, get employed in marketing or operations, and attempt to learn programming on the side. You can use programming skills to write personal automation scripts and maybe some internal productivity apps to share with your colleagues, but will not be asked or trusted to work on any production codebase as that is not part of your job description, and they already hired dedicated programmers to do that. You do not have a lot of time to work on coding anyway, because you have other responsibilities.

Things can get more fuzzy at a small company where people tend to wear more hats. But at most big companies, job descriptions are pretty specialized, and programming either is your job or it isn't.
God, you reminded me of a start-up where the independently wealthy CEO kept on bitching out loud in the office, three years after the fact, about early-round employees that demanded health insurance (but were willing to work for peanuts).
I guess the assumption that if its inappropriate to smoke a cigarette then it is inappropriate to smoke anything else isn't obvious.
That would be an ideal situation in a world that isn't sexist.

But since our society is, we have to deal with the consequences of that power imbalance. And a lot of things that should in the abstract be harmless are not in reality.

Pretending otherwise is just silly -- or defensive, in the case of a lot of folk in this thread.
> Had they not been able to verify the claims then it would have been too late.

This is besides the point, as the claims were verified. But, I believe you are wrong. I think if she was found to be lying, the backlash would have been on here. Heck, her claims were verified, and their is still a much strong backlash from the community toward her and SendGrid.

I agree. Crying wolf is should not be encouraged. But many times before, people here on HN and elsewhere tell women time and time again to speak up when something happens.

Now, when one of them does, she's essentially told to keep quiet and handle it behind the scenes.
Not sure about adroll - but PA is a good product. I'm checking out the free trial right now.

Incidentally, these adroll people are targeting PA in their advertising. Type "perfectaudience" into Google & see the sponsored ad...
well a few years ago a team member said "oh I cant go to a social event with the team" as he was upper caste.

I did not raise a fuss and get him fired - though we where all shocked.
Looking forward to testing this out.
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One of the things that I really wish we could discuss as "a collegial group of developers" is whether this is the "Best Effort" or not.

Honestly, as it stands, I don't know if I'd ever try and explain Ember to anyone aside from the basics which I've done.

The concepts are interesting - as you say - but in practice it just feels like a mediation on "what can we leverage with clever naming" that results in code that is ... less than clear in intent and purpose.

The API is the thing (to me) that brings it down. Nothing is discoverable and it's not easy to jump from one context to the next. In Angular, for instance, it's a pretty simple jump to understand that if you want an ability/function, you'll need to inject it.

This leads you to understand that "I need to do a JSON call... hmmm" and then boom: $http.

Ember isn't this way. It isn't until you grapple with models that you understand you'll be writing jQuery code to get remote data. In my mind this is a huge gap, given Backbone's ability to do it straight away, and Angular's injectable $resource stuff.

I like the ideas, but the API needs to be rebuilt.
People who really harass women know exactly how to get away with it.

Making a dick joke might be offensive, but it saddens my heart to even think that it might be put in the same category as some of the legitimate harassment that I and other women have experienced. Harassment that was devastating and insidious.
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The typo was femaledev's, not Adria's. The correct URL is butyoureagirl.com
A great company solving the "Back-office / operations" side of a startup, including HR and benefits management, is Advisor. http://Advsor.com Yeah, the website is being updated, but with clients like Uber, ZeroCater, PandoDaily, Buffer, Expensify, and 70+ more, they are a SOLID solution.
> What privilege is this that she wants to keep? Women are already bombarded with sex jokes. The fact it's such an outrage she spoke up is testament to that.

This times three million.
I imagine this would be a non-story if the PyCon Organizers had been directly messaged or contacted and this guy was either asked to leave / reprimanded / asked to apologize.

As it stands, the complaint was made via a publicly posted picture on a heavily followed twitter account.

Everyone has the right to feel uncomfortable and try to alleviate that discomfort. Knowing of the Code of Conduct, Adria's decision to bring that to the PyCon Organizers attention is certainly a reasonable action. I think your parent comment thinks that regardless of how the PyCon Organizers were notified, they did the right (or at least acceptable thing). The parent comment suggests that they don't agree with Adria's method of contacting the organizers.
Ross Laird wrote an absolutely beautiful Mezzanine tutorial geared towards new developers:

http://rosslaird.com/blog/first-steps-with-mezzanine/

That's part one, there are several on his site.
From what I understand, she didn't stick to the code. It was stated in the code that no pictures should be taken without the express consent of the subject. Nobody cares about Adria writing on her twitter account that it's not cool to say stupid jokes. Nobody cares about PyCon organizers kicking the people out. What people care about is that she posted their faces online to 9000 twitter users which resulted in one of the people getting fired.
> We're growing our active user base 40% monthly and are currently receiving about 250,000 measurements per day

I think it's a stretch to call these people "users," in any sort of monetary-potential way. Nonetheless, definitely use that number in any pitches you give.

> 1.5 years

That is a big red flag, and I hope you never mention that to investors.

> are now waiting on 3 VCs / incubators to get back to us

This is fairly standard in the VC community. "Yes" means maybe, and "maybe" means "no." And "no" means "hell no." VCs are notorious for saying no very politely and in a way that doesn't burn bridges, while leaving you hanging.

> We plan to apply to three funding sources per week, every week. Will that be enough?

Clearly that is not enough. You need to be out networking.

> To be clear, I have extremely high confidence that we will find funding. It's obvious to me that we need it and that others will be excited by us and want to invest. But since we want to gather springtime and summertime thunderstorm data in the USA, we're running out of time fast.

I want to be brutally honest with you. I have a fairly high confidence you won't find funding. Looking at this from a VC perspective, the only way you are going to make money, it seems, is selling the data to weather companies. That's not exactly a huge business. Most VCs do not know anything about the weather/meteorological business. Even if a VC thought your idea was interesting, they would not invest because they don't have domain experience. VCs are very conservative. VCs want to minimize risks (paradoxically). Why do you feel others will be excited by what you do? Why do you feel it's obvious that others will be excited? Because it's not obvious to me. I don't want to seem pessimistic, but why would I feel excited about this? I check the weather maybe once a week, to figure out if it'll rain in the next few days. That's it.

I agree with staunch. Give yourself a deadline (6 months?) for either finding funding or becoming ramen profitable, and if you don't make it, pivot or shut down. Applying through online forms is the worst way to apply. Those forms get passed to Associates, who have no power to make the deal happen (only Partners have that power). Even cold-emailing partners at VC firms is a better path than that path. You need introductions. Go out and network. Go to meetups. Maybe even come down to the Bay Area and try to meet people and pitch what you're doing. The startup investing climate down here is much warmer (for better or for worse) than any other place in the world.
It is true there is certainly often a lack of planning and preparation for retirement until it is too late and we are fortunate that our industry tends to afford more opportunities to prepare than many others.
YC companies need to offer more equity

If they don't have a seat on the board, they have no reason to trust that their equity will not be diluted into dust.
> at the end of the day I'm still relying on a single company to hold the keys to many accounts

Actually, with Persona, you're not. :)

Persona has a fully decentralized architecture. The centralization you're seeing right now is completely temporary, and only serves as a bootstrapping convenience. If you own your own domain you can turn it into a Persona Identity Provider and start minting your own identity certificates today, without Mozilla (or any other single company) being forced into the trust path.
It looks like those that say the goals of feminism are to create a privileged class of women have some evidence. Women can now rule men by right of whether or not they are "offended" (note, that only the offense of protected classes are holy, and men are not a protected class).
I don't know what the debt is like in the UK, but a doctor in the US can expect to go into upwards of $200k of debt.

The average engineer will have far less (or no) debt and will only need a BA/BS.
I understand the feeling of being scared, but I don't understand why a joke about a dongle would provoke it. It seems to me that the level of threat from a room full of people who are not joking about dongles is exactly the same as the level of threat from a room full of people, two of whom are joking about dongles. I am obviously not arguing that it would be impossible to tell a joke with scary content, but I haven't seen an explanation as to why these jokes were scary.
Consider therapy guided cognitive behaviour therapy; coupled with mindfulness. Find a good, experienced therapist. Make clear your expectations, and be confidant enough to walk away if it's not working. You've had an illness for a long time and have deeply learned behaviours. You need to unlearn some of those behaviours. You might not be able to fix everything in the 8 - 14 weeks that CBT takes, but you should get techniques that help you cope and that you can keep applying over time.

Consider talking to a doctor about medication. I have no medical training, I'm not going to advise on medication. But there are different types of medication. There are different types of anti-depressant, and there are anti-anxiety meds.

While you're doing that you might need to put in some work on building up resilience. This will include support networks of people to socialise with; education and work stuff; exercise; etc. It'll include getting your food sorted out, and your sleep hygiene.

Expect to put in a lot of work.

But good luck!
"FYI, when you stay stuff like that, you seem totally unhinged to people who have actual contact with the real world. That may sound harsh, but I ain't in this internet arguin' business to baby folks."

Irrational argument.

"The "facts" you link to are pretty laughable. You seriously found a reputable source that says men are more likely to be raped than women? Amazing."

Irrational argument.

"I hate how women are always forcing men to go fight wars."

Gender equality problem exists regardless of the causes. Even if men forced other men to fight wars, that doesn't mean men were not forced to fight wars. The problem still exists.

Currently in my country only men have to take part in forced labor. I know, I did my share. Women do not have to do any forced labor. 60% of the voters in recent elections have been women, and they indirectly decide the laws.

"Also, ugh, hard work sucks! The United Nations Development Programme tells us that"

Actually, that claim is unfounded. If you try to follow the trail of sources, you cannot find the original calculation. In addition, your argument has no revelance, because I talked about the past, not the present in the sentence.

"But how seriously is anyone going to take those genuine concerns when they can't be seen through the morass of much sillier claims?"

I'm not a politician, so I try to argue on the basis of what I believe to be true.
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The forking comment in the guys own words: "I would fork that guys repo".

It might not have been explicitly meant in a sexual way, but it seems a little silly to not realise it would come off that way. And in fact, I'd say the only reason someone would find it funny would be the resonance it does have with sexual comments like "I'd tap that".
bingo - about to comment the same.
It appears that PyCon staff did handle the incident, and did so sensibly and discretely:

http://pycon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappr...

It's not clear whether that happened before or after the photo was posted.

Edit: the code of conduct also says "Public shaming can be counter-productive to building a strong community. PyCon does not condone nor participate in such actions out of respect."
The Sony is actually a better buy in many cases - and twice cheaper.

Is this the same Sony that rootkits users' machines and added the "You cannot sue us" clause in their PlayStation Network EULA after they botched data security?

It's getting harder to find companies who don't demonstrate a skeevy side.
> They talked with Adisa, so they probably did recognize that she was a woman.

As far as I've read they talked to each other, not her.

> As a frequent teller of jokes, I always try to match the joke to the audience. If religious people in the US faced a 1 in 6 risk of physical assault for their religion, you can bet I would be very careful about telling any joke that might make them fearful. Wouldn't you?

No, because that's not healthy at all. It's words, and they are not directed at you, but at most about something you identify yourself with. If you're offended by such words (mind, I'm not talking about personally addressed threats or repeated bullying), that's your problem. There was a time when you got killed for making harmless jokes about authorities. I want people to be able to express themselves. And when people are talking bullshit, then call 'em out for being ignorant. Laugh about them.

Also I'd like some source for that 1/6 people faces risk of physical assault for their religion. What does that even mean? The risk? From whom? Are you trying to tell me that 16% are living in fear because of their religion? In the USA?
> You should talk to more women about this.

Here's a bit of free advice :) when you start to use this argument, consider that perhaps you've run out of good rhetoric.

You seem a decent enough guy, if a little clueless, so I'll give you more advice if I may. Making lewd comments certainly might make others feel uncomfortable (male or female), but the fear factor comes from attitude and presence, not the words.

For example; had these two guys been leering at Adria. And staring at her, deliberately raising their voices to project their jokes to her hearing.. that is the sort of behaviour that starts to become frightening.

No one has suggested this is the case. They made a joke between themselves, that made Adria uncomfortable. That is a far cry from her fearing for her physical safety.
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I think the comparison being made is not the two guys are rapists, but that the two guys have a high likelihood of becoming embarrassing / socially awkward / please god just let me get on with my day and stop.

It seems to be a heavy handed way of putting most guys in the shoes of a woman hearing a similar conversation.

But I dont think it applies much to this sittu.
The real fear here is someone lost their job without all the facts being presented. That irrationality is scary. I don't mind being accused of something if I feel it will lead to a rational discussion. If this is true, then the issue is less the woman and more the company and our industry being irrational and emotionally and haphazardly ruining the lives of others.
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