AB, I take your point. And that did cross my mind somewhat as I made my comment.

However, there are... professionals, to use a word in line with your description, who refuse to respect and cooperate with other professionals in different domains.

Well... I guess I would argue that the more, or real professionals among them do. But, many don't.

I was part of a team responsible for some pretty critical infrastructure. And I was responsible for poking holes in it, before it was deployed and someone else did. Even within that context, I would sometimes have to go up a couple of layers of management and push in order to get a concern addressed. Something I could do by virtue of my reputation and personal connections up the chain of command.

In another position, I had the bully boss who would hold us back for the sake of his own opinion and sense of control. Combine that with some outside consulting, and I was emailing our entire customer database to said consultants each month with no encryption. I argued for better security, but I was summarily shot down. (Fortunately, I left that position not too long thereafter.)

Perhaps more pertinent, the Manning affair began in good part because State and other parties made a grand hash out of their intelligence systems including all-in (or out) security and apparently diddly-squat in terms of effective monitoring and auditing.

If this wasn't a serious concern, then why the hell are they making all this fuss after-the-fact?

And... even after this mistake, those responsible for the design and management of those systems were never publicly named and reprimanded, if they were at all.

At least in the case of Manning and Wikileaks, I'm not entirely opposed to the results. Too much has diverged too far from a critical level of transparency that I see as essential to effective democracy.

These people don't protect their resources. They don't respect the people they hire to do so. And they and/or other political operatives use the resulting fallout to foist a Big Brother monitoring mentality and technology upon the public at large.

Let them mind their own houses, first. And keep their noses out of mine.

Finally, I guess I am being somewhat hyperbolic, these days. Part of my desire is that sentiment rises to a level that public attention really comes to these issues along with greater clarity and understanding.

HN may not be the place for such expression.

OTOH, I don't think we want such ignorant people taking over our domain by law and force. Nor do most of us want to fear the government instead of being able to work with it.

I'm suddenly reminded of one boss I had, many years ago -- a fairly senior attorney at a very major corporation -- who refused to have a computer put in his office because he didn't want to deal with it and learn how to use it. (He was finally overruled; they gave him a Mac SE because it was physically smaller -- a compromise.)

He didn't need a computer; he had a secretary.

I also remember putting in an 80 hour week at the last moment to take care of paperwork for a many-million dollar acquisition that he should have been working on well in advance.

People who don't accept and manage the reality of their organizations, and change, are a problem. And I've seen too many people who are "too important" for such things; largely, they are a disaster.

Along the lines of this boss, I recall reading recently that Napolitano (head of Homeland Security), doesn't use email. Really? My confidence is not inspired.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/01/janet_nap...

One could argue that this is a risk reduction strategy. However, I'm skeptical. In my opinion, I've seen this attitude before. It leads to uninformed people making decisions about things they don't really understand.

People who are used to getting their way, and sometimes not too open to messages that contradict them or their opinions.

I hope my response to your point, AB, or the fact of my writing this here on HN, is not disrespectful. And I'll take some time to consider whether my current comments have been in the spirit and interest in HN -- seriously. Perhaps I'm straying; times have not been great for me, lately, and some of that frustration may be coming out sideways.

Regards