skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
caveman82, you really need to adjust your moral compass. In the event the other team doesn't get accepted and you do, that's when you should talk to people about joining. Not during the application process. The other guy, who wrote that blog post, is justified to be pissed off. You should have apologized and not posted this nonsense here.
Though having the draft is quite nice

Yes, it certainly gives you get a sense of their approach to the subject (as one of Amazon reviewers said it's not a substitute for CLRS, but a good supplement).
If Guy could get paparazzi to publish real inquiry minds want to know news and somehow give them the same amount of cash for the news; now that would be an interesting competitive business.
I hope the parent comment is intended to be sarcastic.

If you're not familiar with The Art of Computer Programming ("TAOCP"), it is an unreadable dense and heavily theoretical treatment of much of the fundamental data structures and algorithms in CS. It's definitely a classic, but I wouldn't try to learn from it if I wanted to be 'practical'. TAOCP is much worse than Intro to Algorithms in readability and practicality.

The most practical use for TAOCP is to display it prominently on your bookshelf to impress your colleagues. :P
Yup, fixed it last night. Thanks for the heads-up!
What better indicator of desire than the demonstrated performance of your accomplishment?
No need for fancy phones unless you are a heavy telephone sales operation. A web startup ought to be able to get away with mobile phones or a Vonage line (well until they die anyway). At Triggit we use vonage.
He self-submitted the link.

Actually, despite the drama queening, I upmodded both posts (perhaps thereby obliterating my vote weighting) because they reflect an interesting pattern of hacker psychology that I've been thinking about lately. Once said thoughts are in a bit more of a coherent state I'll make a post about it.
I don't see the opportunity.

It doesn't sound like a hacking problem; it sounds like a sales problem. If your customers are so hidebound they won't even use the software they already have, how will you convince them to pay for, let alone use, yours?

Or are you planning to duplicate that effort and sell it to other manufacturers (who I hope can still act rationally)?
Good question-- Money would go to a development team (1 or 2 coders plus me). I'm a front end guy-- design, html, css, javascript, flash, and some light rails skills.

I'm not too concerned with marketing right now-- though that could chage. I'm a big fan of SEO and SMM (in fact, I just had a speaking engagement on that topic).

In terms of plans-- There are a few ways we could go. Freemium, enterprise/biz/groups functionality, etc. The data is also pretty valuable... If you've ever priced data from Comscore Media Metrix, you'll know that having good data on user behavior is pretty valuable... Of course, this is only valuable if the users are a reasonable cross-section of users. Then again, Alexa does pretty good business having a pretty non-representative sample...

If we go the enterprise route (I'm not eager to go there-- I'd prefer to focus on small/med biz if we create a biz offering), we'd certainly get insurance-- though the rates for professional liability insurance are laughable small when compared to other costs.
Ok, well then your question is even easier to answer if you know that data tracking is serious business in manufacturing.

From the article: "Did you know that there is an IT breakthrough hidden inside of Chrysler that in the right hands could be worth 50 billion dollars or more?"

In other words all he's saying is exactly what I replied to your post: that data collection and tracking (not just for Crystler but as a standalone product) is worth a lot of money. He's not saying that Chrysler could or would sell this - in fact that's kind of the point of the post.
i think there are EC2 images now with S3 backup software pre-installed... I would think it's not that hard to install that to an existing image either...
If your solution is so compelling and the demand is there, find better customers.
Nowadays, that doesn't seem all that hard... ;-)
the 9400 is the same as e1705 rebranded.
> By the way, I haven't failed to notice that everyone except me is getting voted up in this "little debate".

I'm not among the ones voting you down. I prefer to respond.

> I've seen what happens too many times when people don't play "by the rules" (whatever that means to you).

Sure, and I agree...where we disagree is on what those rules are. My position is that offering someone a job is not a breach of ethics, unless there is a non-compete or non-association agreement in place. The folks in this story are unrelated parties. They have no contractual relationship, and seemingly no friendship to uphold. While it would be rude to "poach" (note that I don't care for this word in this context--it puts the person being offered a position in the role of animal with no ability to think for or look out for his/her own interests) someone from a friends company, it is not a breach of any reasonable code of business ethics.

Good old boys, in the bad old days, might have had gentleman's agreements in place to keep folks from moving between jobs for higher pay and better treatment. But those days and those boys are, for the most part, gone in the technology industry. Employment is at will, and the best talent goes to the highest bidder (by some definition of highest, where Google redefines it to not be raw salary). That is how it is, and how it should be. What you're suggesting is, I believe, the unethical position. When taken to its logical conclusion, you're suggesting that an engineer is the lifetime servant of the company he works for, and has no right to entertain other offers and no one has the right to make other offers.

In a previous thread, you've threatened murder in similar circumstances. I believe we're at odds on this position, as well. ;-)

> I don't think either party in this "dispute" emerges smelling very good.

Here, we agree.
Why bother with a fancy phone system? Who calls you? Do you call each other in the office? Do you want to appear as if you all have extensions?

This is kind of pointless. A mobile phone is fine. Get GrandCentral or an online fax/voicemail number to set up a layer of control.
I think you have a great idea if you can turn it into a good product. To tell you the fact, I even started work on this idea with a couple of cofounders but things didn't go to far because of commitment levels from them.

This is big business. Go for it full time. However, If you cannot find partners that do not believe in this, find someone else unless you feel they are really important for you to succeed.
Oh, forgot to address size of market... This is a tough one. If we stick to the lifehacker market, I think it's big but not limitless.

If we head towards the business-intelligence market (helping team leads and team members understand how they spend their collective time), then there's a pretty large market-- though it's hard to say how many of them would be interested in this... I'm currently exploring this (talking to businesses, etc).
GeoCities => Friendster => MySpace => Facebook

Wake me up when there's news. I bet all those stupid Microsoft investment stories were planted by Facebook's PR firm.
Good example of what not to do. Disputes should be settled privately and quickly.
Y Rumors ?
Is Thinkature still alive?
are you talking about the two yc posters or the guy that was "poached"? I could be wrong but doesn't seem like either of the yc posters were hackers or into programming
The two YC posters. I don't know if they're hackers per se, but the fact that they hang out here makes them good enough as data points.
I like that PG claims the Kikos didn't die of their own making. It's definitely their fault that 1) they entered an area that Google already had heavy interest in (not to mention a ton of internal development on) and 2) that they didn't try to pull a Zenter and get acquired before being killed.

Not to say that they weren't/aren't smart guys running a good company that caught some bad luck, but the signs were there and there's a chance with a different approach we'd all be using their calendar now.
I'm afraid Chrysler poisoned me as a customer before I was even old enough to drive. My folks owned a couple of Chrysler products that were the worst vehicles I've ever dealt with: my mom's Dodge van once stopped steering while she was driving...yeah, the steering wheel just spun right around. On another occasion the brakes simply stopped working, pedal to the floor and nothing happened. Those are seriously dangerous catastrophic failures in dangerous circumstances and without warning. The engine also had to be entirely replaced within weeks of the brand new vans purchase, but at least no one was in danger in that case.

I got to work on them quite a bit growing up--they at least gave me lots of experience fixing things. But it'll take another generation before folks who experienced Chrysler in the 80's and 90's, like me, start buying Chrysler products again...and then only if they are actually making good cars now (which I'm not confident of). I'm afraid I've been well-trained to buy only Japanese cars. I've had two fantastic Nissans in the 20 years I've been driving, and one mediocre (but never broke in dangerous ways or left me stranded--it just had some annoying quirks) Toyota...I like to drive my cars into the ground, and the ground comes at me way too fast with American cars, and Chrysler cars in particular.

Sorry, I know you weren't looking for a rip on Chrysler, but suggesting I buy a Chrysler product sent me reeling into the past for a moment...I could smell the burning oil, feel the claustrophobia of laying on concrete under a jacked up minivan, and everything. I just thought I'd share my pain with you. ;-)
(someone correct me if i'm wrong) so you're going to write about hacker psychology using two people that aren't hackers?

Based on the 1st post, i'm pretty sure that neither of them are
(sorry, I think you posted that while I was in the middle of editing the comment you were replying to)
A short video depicting the beauty of Moebius Transformations in mathematics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_transformation
Will A Google Phone Change The Game?
>2) that they didn't try to pull a Zenter and get acquired before being killed.

I heard that they did have acquisition offers but they didn't want to commit to working for a new company for so many years. Ebay was the only way of selling with minimal commitment to the purchasers.
That I can do!
Paul Graham speaking at FOWA London this Thursday
I'm going to be there, any other news.yc'ers going?
Artists Build Secret Apt in the Mall, Prov RI
The Article:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2007/...

Pics and a video
http://www.trummerkind.com/mall/Living_in_the_Mall.html
it's cool =)

here are reasons why I don't feel either of the posters are hackers:

1) this probably wouldn't be an issue if either of them were b/c they can still do what they feel are the crucial parts of the project and recruit on the side... the 1st post seemed desperate...

2) the "poached" person probably would not have been "poached" if his project was already underway with mutual contributions to the project by everyone in the team. in my experience 1 reason a programmer leaves his team (whether it's right or wrong) is b/c he feels that he's doing all the work
I see your point, but the title of the article is "Chrysler, Want To Make an Extra 50 Billion?"

My point is that if it was written by some dude in a day, it's not going to make anyone $50 billion, especially Chrysler.
Yeah you're probably right, I'm just irritable.
You can accuse Ballmer of being a lot of things but stupid he ain't!
Links to the project and pics:
http://www.trummerkind.com/mall/Living_in_the_Mall.html
I wasn't suggesting you buy a Chrysler product. I was suggesting you buy Chrysler. You get it all, along with 5000 lines of very clever Java code that they probably couldn't even find if they wanted to.
One possible feature is to create a web service interface to using the utilities, maybe over XML-RPC or something.
"One of us isn't leaving the room alive," is a figure of speech, one of many, I learned from my mentor. Helped me learn there's a whole lot more to business than being good at the technical aspects. Turned me from a wimp coder into a competitive business person.

Of course we're not indentured servants and have free will. It's just that this episode smelled real fishy to me. Still does.

Enjoyed the repartee today. Looking forward to the next time. Now, for my bath...
Well, the project took 1 month by two guys, so we can assume it was non-trivial.

As a personal note, I've got a couple of years in manufacturing, with much of that in automotive. The amount of stupidity that goes on in that industry is shocking. It doesn't surprise me at all that a couple of smart guys were able to build something like this. It surprises me that Chrysler was actually able to get a couple of smart guys to work for them.
I pick up freelance jobs on MySpace Jobs and Craigslist.
facebook and its giant hype-ridden PR push will probably backfire and they won't be able to get an investor/buyer at these ridiculous valuations. They'll have to go the IPO way and IPO will not do well (at least not at the valuations they're suggesting).
Good question. I run the code first through a parser that (hopefully) removes all unsafe elements like file, and import. It was a Python cookbook recipe I found.

If the site gets more popular, I'd like to switch to running an unrestricted interpreter in a chroot jail so users will have access to the full power of Python and third party libraries like PIL.
150,000 page views? That's not very much, is it? My book on the web was getting 30,000 pageviews a day when it was first published...and these days it gets about 100,000 per month in its current wiki form four years later (about 1000 visitors per day and slowly climbing). And it's not at all Web 2.0 or constantly new. Our business website even gets 100k page views per month (similarly, 1000-1500 visitors per day), and we definitely don't consider that a triumph.

I'm not begrudging him success with Truemors. I, unlike a lot of folks here, think very highly of Kawasaki. I found his books inspiring and occasionally educational, and his Art of the Start presentation is awesome. But I think it's too early to call it a success at 150k page views per month...the 250k users thing doesn't quite gibe with the 150k page views...that would mean that almost no one EVER comes back to Truemors after their first visit, which is a very bad thing.
Indeed. All of the Detroit automobile companies are now off shoring to India and China to try to reduce costs. Open sourcing factor floor control and monitoring systems is simply another way to achieve the same results.
Great logo. Brilliant!
he's pretty damn good at running his mouth though...
How about the Wizard book? It's not so much centered on algorithms - but about how to organize your programs.

Or is it to hard for a beginner?
Heheheh! Much better suggestion. Maybe I could make Chrysler profitable. I've got forty-one crisp American dollars in my wallet. Who do I talk to? ;-)
What other books does every serious programmer need?
Uhh, dude? Wrong forum. You aren't helping your cause by spamming here.

[FWIW I'm an Austrian too, but the hyperbolic video title "Corrupt Banking System - Cartels Robbing the Public" makes the PBS-like history of banking look frightening.]

EDIT (after watching all 50 minutes). Holy Fscking Stuff: about half way through it changes from an explanation and critique of fractional reserve banking into a Marxist rant about historical inevitability and sustainable development.
It has that http://www.utilitymill.com/help/api

Is it not obvious from the main page, or did you have something else in mind? I went with a more RESTful like approach than XML-RPC, basically copying the del.icio.us API design (XML and JSON)
I suppose so. But really, that's what every potential acquiree faces, and there's so much destruction of value there just because you're so bored of the idea you don't want to work on it anymore.
Yahoo Search Just Got Smarter
We plan on adding such a view as an option. Expect it sometime in the next few weeks. Thanks for checking it out!
Those 4 words still send chills up my spine, especially with the exclamation point. (I know, what a nerd.) Hate to get all Oprah on you, but sometimes I think having that attitude is half the battle.
That's horrible advice.

Listen, as much as we all want to get rich and be ultra-productive, none of our accomplishments are coming with us on that fateful day.

Make sure you enjoy life for enjoyment's sake alone sometime. That doesn't mean not to work, but it doesn't mean you should only work either.
Are Editors Needed To Sort Through Digg Chaos?
If I had known that this would devolve into a public shouting match, I would not have posted this in a public forum. As far as I am concerned, I only intended to vent on my blog and this forum about something that upset me. I am disappointed that we didn't raise the level of discourse, instead it ended up being a free-for-all. I'm over it. It's a dead issue.
I wonder how useful a heuristic this is: when people who fail at something tell you it's a crapshoot, and people who succeed tell you it's science. [Nassim Nicholas Taleb](http://www.amazon.com/Fooled-Randomness-Hidden-Chance-Market...) made some money in the market, but he says most successful traders are lucky. But [John D. Rockefeller](http://www.amazon.com/Titan-Life-John-Rockefeller-Sr/dp/0679...) made a lot more, and he said his money was foreordained.

Another data point: most successful gamblers seem to treat gambling as a science; bad ones seem to have more OCD rituals to go along with their losing streaks.
Cool, means we get a new essay.
Wow, this is a really cool idea! I'd add some stuff about the API interface to the screencast. To me, that's the most interesting part.

FYI, I get a server error when I try the Run Utility example at http://www.utilitymill.com/help/api
You've got to find a way to parse out the internet providers.

Then it would get really interesting!
My name is Dave. Nice to meet you.

Now you know one.
Given enough incompetent developers or bad managers any project can be a "7 Person Year Application".
10 Really Interesting Things To Ask At FOWA
It has been rumored that Y-Combinator favors younger teams, but I wasn't aware that hackers as young as 12 are seeking seed capital.
Oh, perfect. I missed it. I would expect to see something like this on the page for the utility though. Maybe in a section, "Find out how you can call this utility from your programs!"

This is a great site. I look forward to seeing it's progression.
yes...that's probably the most confusing part of the article. :)
Cerberus. They just bought it though; wait a couple years and they may reconsider.

BTW, those of us who follow the financial news are laughing because Daimler (the previous owner) literally paid Cerberus to take Chrysler off its hands. The purchase price was nominally $7.4B, but it was structured as an investment into Chrysler itself. In other words, Cerberus "bought" Chrysler by putting cash into a business it now owns, effectively paying itself. In addition to that, Daimler paid Cerberus $650M in cash. Yes, that's the seller giving money to the buyer.

The reason for this is that Chrysler is currently worth less than nothing. Daimler's earnings are up $1.5B since getting rid of it, and Cerberus took on Chrysler's $18B of pension obligations. Cerberus probably figures that it can renegotiate with the UAW and default on Chrysler's pension plan, which'll help return it to profitability. Daimler couldn't do this because its profitable Mercedes division was effectively subsidizing workers in Detroit, costing it bargaining power in any attempt to stiff the unions.
Put your money away. As I understand it the last people to "buy" Chrysler got paid to haul it away.

Edit: curses, beaten by 2 minutes. And the other post brings the details, too.
150K a month... is not alot of views....
Are you being snarky or sincere? It's a good question, if it's an honest one.
Also see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah24BkyUcZs
Trade Me Manifesto: #8: Be informal but serious
We want an enjoyable and relaxed place to work.
We want to come to work.
We don't wear expensive suits, or flashy ties...
Very good point. Every utility should provide information on how to access it via the API. I'll put that on my todo list.

Glad you like it.
Microsoft buys shopping site Jellyfish.com
I'm hearing a lot that the API is the most interesting part. I'm curious why that is. I figured it was more like a bonus feature when I added it. Any ideas?

I'll have to make some more screencasts when I get a chance, including the API.

BTW, I fixed the API error you were having. Sorry about that.
That CMU professor's Last Lecture on Google Video
And there are some links to other videos on his homepage: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~pausch/
Yeah, I used to go spelunking in the elaborate steam tunnel system where I went to college (Washington State U). It was pretty neat, and pretty easy to do, but totally forbidden.
I'm talking about YC. Many of the groups we fund haven't written any code yet when they apply to YC.

But since we introduce startups to later stage investors, I guess I am also by transitivity talking about all investors.
Ha, I did the same at WSU! How did they get caught?
Good idea for saving money for your startup!
I've got no cause, other than to share an interesting presentation of how banking works. Unfortunately the bias does detract (e.g.: the title.) And it's much worse in the later parts...
I think the author means the copyrighter. Ads aren't written by actresses.
Agreed.

Look -- you can't succeed unless you're in it the whole way, but you're a person, not a robot. Unless you balance your life somehow, you won't make the race. The coder who works a 24-hour day is not necessarily any better than one who watches a movie and codes for one hour. That's the crazy thing about this business. You have to make sure your brain is as tuned up as possible. Running fast is never going to get you as far as running smart.
Wow. That's an amazing project. I used to live in providence, I've been to this mall, and this has got to be the coolest thing that's ever been in it.
suggest "collaborators" instead of "collaberators", "ineffable" instead of "effable"
Welcome to to the banned for life club.
This is a more catchy title though.
Link to the original source next time: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sect...

"There can't be any more deep technology in Facebook than what dozens of people could write in a couple of years. That's for sure," he said.

If he really thinks Facebook is about the technology, he is completely missing the point.
Ad exchange service where your ad is shown whenever you look at other people's ads?
Does such a service exist? How would you reduce cheating via automation?

If it doesn't exist, maybe I'll build a facebook app to offer this service.
getjive.com - $30/month/phone, all the big-business looking features you'll need. We use them and they've been great.
After a comment like that from pg what is to stop these people from creating new YC accounts to apply under?
I'm curious, what exactly do you mean?

If I'm surfing the web, and you're showing people's ad's to me, are you saying that when they surf the web, they'll see my ads?

What if we don't surf the same amount? What if I don't have a product to sell at all?
It has nothing to do with surfing the web.

Rather, there's an ad exchange web site. You submit your ad and look at other ads there. The more you look at other people's ads on that site, the more your ad will be shown to others on that site.

The whole point of the site is to show ads via this ad exchange. The site doesn't offer any other content/service.

If you have nothing to sell/promote, then there's no reason for you to use this service. But many people would at least want to promote their blog say.