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If that was all he did, it would be fine. But it isn't. His website still encourages people to use his script and his specification, even though they are known to be buggy. If you publish something on the internet and it turns out be wrong or defective, you have a moral obligation to point that out, especially if better alternatives are available.
I thunk the point he's trying to make is that if Gruber doesn't want to maintain Markdown, that's cool. However, he should announce that and let the community take over.
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I've been using it since the RTM and it seems fine.

However I can't say I am any more productive than I was with Windows 2000.
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Oh, you've probably never heard of them.
You actually called a mentality "dangerous" that you aren't even being honest about!

Instead of internalizing leftist propaganda and repeating it as fact, you should actually read the book.

"it ignores any and all counter arguments even if they really are more correct."

The most accurate characterization of that statement is that it is the exact opposite of what he philosophy actually advocates. Which you would know if you'd read Atlas Shrugged.

"On the other hand you have the zealots who take every word of their book as objective fact and will blow up a building to remind you."

In this case, you are the zealot who is taking lies told about the book as fact, and advocating violence against those who disagree with you.

And of course you have to characterize them in derogatory ways.

If Ayn Rand was so wrong, why can't you, and others like you, such as Paul Carr, be honest about what she actually said-- and address her actual arguments and philosophy, instead of lying about them and characterizing them in a derogatory fashion? Which is, as far as I'm concerned, nothing short of calling them names.

If you weren't a zealot, you'd have read the book to find out what it actually said. If you claim to have read the book, then lying about it makes you a zealot.

But worse, anti-intellectual. And that's what I really find offensive.
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You're right. It would be totally better if we did a ritualistic denunciation of sexism every thursday at 8pm.
>Because if your drive does not support the flush track cache mechanism you are in for a world of pain.

If your drive does not support CACHE_FLUSH mechanism, then pretty much any file system that are supposed to handle unclean shutdowns (ZFS, btrfs), etc., are going to be screwed.

More generally, any time you have a file system, there will always be very delicate code. Fundamentally file systems are _hard_. It has to handle a huge amount of concurrent operations, and users want speed, so we use fine-grained locking, and there's a reason why file systems take 100 man years or so to become production ready. The btrfs folks started in 2007, and I warned them it would probably be at least 5-7 years, minimum before it would be ready for the enterprise. And now here it is five years later, and the community distributions (not the enterprise distros) are just starting to adopt btrfs. ZFS took seven years to develop before Sun announced it, and then it took a few more years before people trusted it on production servers.

No one believes how hard it is when they start, but the history is pretty clear.
Because when you're bootstrapped and can't buy a 3 letter dotCom for $55/year, FM doesn't look so bad. So we're working with it, and kind of playing with the slogan "broadcast lit".
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Rand is just code for telling mindless anti-intellectuals to hate somebody. Hence the references to Paul Ryan and the Tea Party.

The fact of the matter is, on many occasions Paul Carr simply lies about what Rand said.

If Rand is so bad that someone should be embarrassed to be associated with her ideas--- why the need to lie about her ideas?

I'll answer that to you-- Rand's real crime is she demolish leftist anti-intellectualism and showed it for what it is.

It's not Rand they hate, its the mind. And their whole goal is to prevent you from being exposed to the ideas in Atlas Shrugged (which is why they focus on Rand, rather than the book, they don't even mention the book unless they have to and never the philosophy.)
I mean it in a couple of ways. Personally, it was too expensive to build because I simply couldn't see spending the time to do it. Part of that (for me) was that it was 2006 and I just didn't know what technology I'd need to invent or find that would do it. There was mod_pubsub and BOSH, and both were kind of a pain, and that's obviously not what they're planning on using.

The second way is just the perennial question of how is it going to pay the bills. Amateur writers… does that sound like a demographic where everybody has an extra $5/month for your service? Could be, but I'm not quite naive enough to try it and find out. I'm not really a "startup guy" though (I'm here for the articles and the conversation), some people who are less risk-averse seem tempted to try; maybe they'll get rich, it's impossible to predict.

Actually your experience illustrates perfectly what I might mean by too expensive to build, don't you think? You and one guy on the side and you couldn't keep up—you may be tempted to find a scapegoat in yourself, your team or your code but frankly nearly every project needs more developers and more time. This is your hobby now, so you know that you can lavish a couple hours a week on something indefinitely, but you've probably also noticed that boring bug fixes are hard to get motivated to do when you only have an hour left in the day and want to do something fun.

Anyway, kudos to you for learning to code, and I'm sorry to hear your project withered. Sounds to me like you did the right thing here.
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All three of the "gotcha" changes suggested here are wrong, and changing them would kill what makes markdown great.

The one change for good I can think of would be removing the ability to embed HTML.
The question though is what triggered freedom of the press in Indonesia but so far not China and Russia? Is it just a matter of time or Suharto misstepping? I wonder with Indonesia whether it was the pulling of support of America to puppet dictators after Communism fell?
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The question is for those of that dont hit the win key and start typing etc, can the metro dash be completely bypassed? So can I boot to a screen that looks much like Win7?
I think the biggest kicker recently is JRuby which runs Rails. There is a very large Java ecosystem which can now pull up into Ruby. Seems like I see it everywhere recently.
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Good catch. I think my point stands though.
> If you publish something on the Internet and it turns out to be wrong or defective, you have a moral obligation to point that out

No you don't, that's insane.
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Arguing anything other than differences in levels of persistent hard work and skill in your particular field has a large mountain of evidence to overcome.

The effects of those two are very large, the effects of everything else comparatively small per decades of startup and longitudinal entrepreneurial studies.

Nonsense about hustle is exactly that: nonsense. The weight of evidence suggests that, if anything, hustling and creativity have a net negative effect on long term health of a startup.

But there's money to be made keeping up the lie.

Lastly, beware of pseudo-pop-science that opens with only a few people's stories. People manage to succeed as founders all over the world; these stories are not remarkable and tell us nothing.

In general the whole "determination" thing has little to no value in any serious consideration of startup success: it's about on the same level of credibility as diet fads.
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But why should we try brute force solutions? I have much bigger dreams than 12 guys walking on the moon.

Routine daily commercial flights to orbit with reusable vehicles that fly many times in one week, NEO exploration, in situ resource usage. One day many of the people who comment on Hacker news can have visited space, some may even live and work there.

That requires longer and more many sided and organic development than a brute force government crash program. That just would not be good resource usage.
Yes, you should take down such projects if you have been informed of problems and can't or won't take the time to document them. Infinite maintenance is a straw man, because that wasn't requested. Only some civility was requested.

Your project can cost people a lot of time if it promises, but doesn't deliver. I just spent quite some time searching for a decent XSD parser in Ruby, haveing to wade through a score of projects that promise to do what I want, but turn out to be incomplete, buggy or otherwise useless to me. Many people will perform the same quest and together a lot of time is wasted, which could have been prevented if people would not just publish any damned thing, but would also take the time to properly document its state.

Open source projects without proper documentation, I can do without. This problem will only become worse in decades to come. I sure as hell hope github will start purging old projects with too many 'not useful' votes within the next few years. Otherwise it'll be a morass of stink where the gems can no longer be found.
I have a few months of runway. My previous engineer was my dad, and didn't have a sense of urgency about it. I have a month or two of runway now, and every time there's a bug to fix, that bug is the most important thing ever--because until it's fixed, I'm not delivering my users the experience they deserve. They could be elsewhere, doing something else.

Neovella withered not for lack of interest--it withered because it was spec'd out by an idea person straight out of school with an economics degree, and engineer who insisted on building everything in C# :)
At least in Germany (possibly in the EU in general), that's no longer true. There has always been a market for OEM license resales, but recently there was a ruling that gave it a legal foundation. Microsoft wouldn't tell you it's okay, but they are no longer allowed to prevent it.
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It may also have to do with the fact that there is an App Store, which will be a new, probably significant, source of revenue. And, it makes it a little easier for someone who's not sure about the radically new UI.
One of the major reasons to make something like this available is not research but to get the eggs in more than one basket. If archive.org ever went offline permanently that would be a pretty big disaster.

A backup copy of the library of Alexandria would have been a nice to have before it burned down but would have been priceless afterwards.

So please, make all of the archive available in some form. It will be an insane amount of data but at least there will be some institutions that will be able to insure this precious resource against various disasters.
"Why are people still interested in Markdown - what problem is it solving and for whom?"

I understand the question and wonder why it attracted down-votes. The executive summary of my answer: light markup is used in places other than text areas on Web sites.

Many of us use Markdown to keep formatted text in, and, ultimately, to generate valid html markup from. Markdown is not just for textareas in Web pages. Whole books have been marked up in markdown.

Markdown files are just text files with 'explicit' markup within them and so will always be accessible/editable/processable in the future. Markdown is 'flexible' in the sense that it allows alternative markup for the same output, and is 'light' in the sense that a limited range of styling and block formats are available. Compare that with LaTeX which shifts with each tex-live release, and which means that markup written some years ago may not format without hand editing on a modern LaTeX release.

There is the reference implementation available from Gruber's site, and, as others have mentioned, pandoc implements markdown in a way that can be extended. I'm dubious of the need for an 'official' specification; I rather like the scrappy streetwise nature of Markdown.
Not that western politicians are squeaky clean, but there's a bit of a difference between not going bankrupt and amassing billion dollar fortunes while in office.
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Woah, how massive is your screen? You're totally right though, it looks awful tiled. I'll have to take care of that.

By the way everybody, I'm working on version 2.0 which is just about a million times better than the original. Hit me up if you'd like to get beta builds and a free copy.
This is bot a privilege issue. Nobody appointed Gruber. Just do a better job and you'll be fine without his permission.
I still use reiserfs for all my linux machines (ext2 for /boot); ZFS on freebsd. I haven't experienced the corruption I've seen under ext3 with either of them.
"Phone rang in the middle.. Don't save this result!" <-- very clear and good explaining without explaining. Good job!
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I'm confused. How are you supposed to have a conformance test without first having a spec? To what would the implementations be conforming, if not a spec?
Dude, as an internal team trying to get OSX Server support was a joke. The answer was never anything other than crickets or "next major rev, maybe."
Beautifully done!

You should set the viewport width to 960px so that mobile phones see the whole page on page load rather than a zoomed in corner.
PFObject subclassing and a more comprehensive offline solution are both very high on our list of features we would like to add. We're just taking our time to make sure we get them right. :)
I think you are grossly overestimating the quality of current rich text editors... None of them produce reliable clean code. Some produce less shitty code than others, but they do so through tremendous amounts of post-processing.

Markdown just works and always produces clean, easy to style code.
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Well, Apple's Chess app now supports Game Center in Mountain Lion, so at least there's some hope there.
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Agree wholeheartedly.

One of the most valuable pieces of advice YC offers is that there are lots of things that are a waste of time, but feel like they're productive, and that these things are especially dangerous to spend time on.
Linux always wins? I disagree!

Desktop linux adoption is still in the low single percentages. I think your linking linux with democracy/capitalism is very random.
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Perhaps it will be a very good year for Stardock...

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Having wasted a lot of my life reading miles of reddit comments, there are some people who don't understand the link syntax, or switch the brackets ()[]. It happens. But not that often, when the alternate way of posting a link is to just paste it in plain text with no title associated with it.
Novel interface. Get the fanfic authors on board.

A tool like this would be perfect for school English classes or creative writing workshops (and alumni).

As for making the rest of us plebs pick up the pen again... It's a little harder than just giving us nice tools. Many aspiring writers (not all!) like to hide their work away until they are absolutely certain they will get good feedback, while this is like running around naked in the front yard.

Soundcloud has a similar 'get creating' premise and magically minimises that fear of failure factor. I'm not sure how, but it's amazing. The line between supportive and vicious is grey, blurry, narrow. Take care.
My thoughts as well. Empathy has its costs. I was wondering if exposure to swings was one of them.
The RTM version is, which is 6.2.9200.16384.
Yes! http://theopencompany.net did a Kickstarter for an amazing things-to-do map of SF [1], and have gone on to further projects as well as selling the maps.

I was an original KickStarter funder and have become quite the fan. Their blog contains some fascinating posts about manufacturing in China and Japan, well worth a read.

[1] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tocguide/toc-guide-to-sf
Ditto in Shenzhen.
Profits with openness. How many phones did Samsung sell?
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Is it insane to try and keep the good stuff from disappearing under the garbage? Have you ever searched for something, only to come across a multitude of pages that were just incomplete, wrong or otherwise useless? A search term for which the gems are buried under so much manure you need all your Google-fu to find the gem? How do you think this will play out in the years to come?

People like Gruber, with an audience, a following, should set an example. If his code has bugs and he is informed of those bugs, he should take a few minutes to list those bugs. He doesn't have to solve them. He doesn't even have to point people elsewhere. Just listing them is enough and saves a lot of people a lot of time. If you can't be bothered to do that, please take your code down: it is nothing but pollution, keeping us from finding the better code.
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I owned a prior model and the remodel was exactly the reason I purchased one but, came about it the wrong way wrong.

During my remodel a subcontractor stole a checkbook from my house and wrote $2k of checks to himself. The key to my house was also "lost" somehow. I had to replace the lock on my house one way or another and decided to go with Lockitron as it allowed me to give out "keys" to my house and revoke them or open my house from anywhere.

BTW, I know live in London and rent my house out in the states. I have let the tenant into the house after they lost their keys one night from 3,000 miles away is quite cool.

Oh.... and laying in bed and thinking... Did I lock the door? No need to get up, just grab the phone and punch lock and go to bed.
For some people and some uses, plain text is just more comfortable.

I love the ability to scratch something down in Markdown really quickly, and being able to convert it to LaTeX if I want to, without any hassle.

I'd love to write blog posts in Markdown. Google+ uses the italic and _bold_ syntax in their own posts, which is very useful.

I don't exactly know why it's better, to be honest. Maybe WYSIWYG editors are inherently dependant on their own implementations and rely on people learning the interface.

Text-As-An-Interface is beautiful in it's simplicity. Markdown is the perfect mix of simple markup without the insanity of BBCode.
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Desktop linux was always completely stupid idea - it provided no benefits to either the manufacturer or consumer but it had all of the drawbacks of a switch with no forcing function available to push mainstream adoption (for example fundamental lack of OS/tools for consumers from another platform).

However - Linux dominates mobile and it dominates commodity consumer tech. It already dominates back end server tech. My Android phone/tablet is indistinguishable from the iPhone/iPad. The forcing function for this was due to manufacturers needing an OS to run their mobile systems - since Apple ain't licensing - they are forced to adopt Android to scale out their high volume production.

Linux dominates server tech because licensing fees kill business models and the vast majority of backend processing is mostly stable and needs to be horizontally scalable.

The world is going to run on linux. And it'll be through the browser.
In some more than others. Worked pretty well in Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia & Poland.
I suggest reading Asymco before backing that idea with cash.
His stats on cell phone makers which are down on their luck is sobering. My short (and hopefully not too inaccurate summary) is that once a cell phone maker stops making money, they never recover.

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I'm not a huge fan of the current Markdown mark. I'd encourage the creator (dcurtis) to push it, because currently it feels like a first-stage idea — or perhaps, an execution without an idea at all.

There are many questions — "What is Markdown?", for starters — that feel unaddressed by the mark. Instead, we get the brute force approach: splitting up the word into smaller word parts, which is what you do with a word if you don't know what it means, or you have to gesture it in Charades.

Rather uninspiring for an idea so beautiful that Jeff and others can get so excited just thinking about it, but what else can you expect from such a mark whose approach is so stubbornly literal? I take that back — only one word part actually gets to be represented literally... the other only managed to become a letter, in a moment I can only imagine involved the creator muttering "good enough". He must have found this mark uninspiring as well, given that he sought to put a box around it.

At least consider that the down arrow on its own is an overloaded concept, particularly on the web. Without context — and a mark should not need context — M↓ could read like a hotkey or command of some kind. This kind of ambiguity is utterly unnecessary — you're making a mark; it can be whatever you want it to be. Push!
Success is always the result of hard work and skill, but failure is usually bad luck ;-)

I think you have the right internal Locus of Control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control) theory needed to succeed. But personally I believe the truth is a more nuanced (i.e, my Locus of Contol theory is a more external than yours :)

Environment is important too; generally, when people of modest background and means rise to found successful businesses, this is invariably mentioned in their biography precisely because it's unusual.

The influence of social environment, peers, connections, location, opportunities and just plain old timing do matter, in my view. Even Warren Buffett acknowledges that he won the "Ovarian Lottery".

Yep, I even believe in "luck" too (unpredictable external factors outside one's control). You can found a perfectly viable business, work hard, be skilled - and then become sick at a critical time. These things happen. Likewise, making the right connection or deal at just the right time can make all the difference to one's success.

Of course, as others have pointed out -your view is the most useful. You can only control what you can control. But do I advocate kindness to others, because persistent hard work and skill are no guarantee of success.