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We've got a some start-ups & hackers doing demos as usual, but no formal speaker for this one. Will be organising speakers for some of the upcoming meetups. How did you find the Erlang one? Anyone you'd particularly like to see speak?
I agree that you should force them into making the change. You won't make the most friends doing it, but it'll be less of a hassle.

You need to take the 'facebook approach.'

A lot of people HATED the new facebook design when it originally launched. I'm sure you remember, there were groups with millions of members saying "bring back the old facebook" and complaining about everything.

Months later everything has calmed down, for the most part people like it and the change needed to happen. Facebook needed to make the change to implement new features, design elements, etc.

They'll be mad at first but eventually get over.
news.yc gets slower and flakier all the time. i suppose it's not up to the ever-increasing load.

i've seen pg post about some process he's got that automatically restarts the server after it crashes. not to be snarky or anything, but wouldn't it be a better solution to deploy a server that doesn't crash?

i've always worried that the quality of this site would gradually decline to the point where it would be unusable. now it looks like the more likely outcome is that the server will get so overloaded that it's unusable.

i know this is a free site, and you get what you pay for, etc, but i'd hate to see it die because it really needs a rewrite in some language more robust than arc/lisp. i'm just guessing, but i think pg would rather see the site die than have that happen.
didnt make the erlang one sadly, your mate Pete told me about this months meetup.

My favourite speakers are people that have worked on a cool project (even if its cool only in their eyes) and want to talk and show it off.

I should buzz you (or visa versa) next time you have a meetup, can you show my leet learning news project :)
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Make sure that some things can only be done in the wiki, forcing people to do it. Don't put people's e-mails in the wiki, force them to do so themself.

I second this point. Essentially, you don't want to be in the position of doing for your users what they "should" be doing themselves. While it sounds like you are there to support your users, you can support your users better with a bit of cooperation. From my experience with non-techies and wikis, I don't think it's a problem of not getting it so much as a problem of making it easier to learn how to use the wiki than continue not using it.
This is ridiculous
i've been on this site for over a year and i have a karma of 3. i want to customize my header in green... help me out guys.
even if I worked in a windows environment I'd try and get a MacBook and install XP.
I can't believe no one's mentioned Back to the Future!
Favorite scene: opening scene with the robotic arm automation
Favorite quote: "You'll have to forgive the crudeness of this model, I didn't have time to paint it or build it to scale."
i forget why i noticed, but i started paying attention to how my dog moves some time ago. while walking, the legs on one side move together. while running, the front and back legs move together.
I find it fascinating that Google forces some (all? most?) of their acquired companies to move to Google's infrastructure. It is proof that engineering quality is #1 at Google, even at the cost of lost business (they had sign ups disabled for a while).
For those interested in GP, here is Koza's course page (pdfs & source):

http://www.genetic-programming.com/coursemainpage.html

Koza "invented" GP. However, parent article is really describing Evolutionary Programming, invented by Fogel in the 1960s. The difference? Ostensibly, no crossover operator in EP, only mutation.

http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Evolutionary_programming
Heh.

Irrespective of their project -- the devs are great guys (or the ones I've conversed with) I'd love to work there.
...heh, that's definately not the "London Hacker Meetup" I used to go to, back in the day. :]
good one. I hope this thread picks up. Scribd posting is the first of its kind job posting on HN.. sponsored.
I think the problem is in the details.
It's far too easy to get a patent. And on trivial 'inventions'.

Paul Graham has literally got two patents for the exact same thing. 'Somebody hit submit twice' indeed.

Patents should be examined by people knowledgeable in the field and have a strict process for being granted.

And there should be a much higher activation energy required for taking someone to court for violating a patent.
They've done their research on the price point. Basically if this eliminates the need for a land line ($10 month + equipment), you pay for the cost over the two years of a contract. You save them bandwidth and the need to erect new towers. And they still take your minutes.

Anyone know if one of the carriers allows a similar device that doesn't charge minutes?
I heard a lot of people say, and I agree, that the Erlang one was very interesting, but also too long. I think it was like 1hr 30. 20-30 mins max is best.
To edit a wiki usually requires understanding a markup language. Maybe some people simply go to a blank state of mind whenever they see markup.

Have you trained the non-techies in using the markup language?
yeah there is no karma for ageing.
No, most Christian scholars throughout history have been literalists. But, they also recognize that certain portions of the Bible are not meant to be literal. All of the literalists I know of take this view. In fact, to think that everything is literal is not taking the Bible literally, since Jesus and the Apostles explicitly use metaphor themselves.
I am sure you have a Kindle killer in your plans.
greasemonkey is your friend...
That's exactly what the demos are for - each month about 4-5 hackers spend 5 mins each demoing something cool they've built. Would be great to check out your project at the next one.
The problem isn't the idea of the wiki. It's the implementation. Any non-techie gets how to write a blog post in Wordpress. Spacing, make things bold, etc. I've been editing with various wiki software for years and I still find it cumbersome. If you can have a system that is a wiki under the hood but has a normal-person level interface, you would see more usage. Regular folks have better things to do than learn our odd syntaxes for doing things. It's not something that saves them time because instead of being easy and automatic, they have to break their trains of thought to do this "wiki" thing. It's no different than when your coding in the zone and your manager interrupts you about something marketing wants.
GreaseMonkey.
The reward for insightful comments (like this one) is a colored top bar.
"What the fuck is a Wiki?"

Is probably what goes through the non-techie's mind.

Use terminology they are familiar with; "the online notice whiteboard" or something.
Yeah I agree, I think any future speakers will aim for 30 mins max. The Erlang guys did an awesome job, my fault for not setting clearer guidelines...
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This seems equally brittle. If I'm reading the XSLT correctly its based on the name of the xml library that a particular browser ships with...
sounds great, hope I can make it :)
actually some manufacturers (like Siemens - R.I.P.) already comply with that 'rule' for a while, for that exact reason..
Good. As a photographer I am in two minds about camera phones. On the one hand, putting the tools in the hands of the masses is great. On the other hand, camera phone users are such twats. I do a bit of wedding photography, you scout out the church, sort out your shots (say the bride entering the church with her father) then you come to take the shot and some moron is leaning out into the aisle with his stupid little phone. What, he's not even composing, the shot is going to be shit, and where's it going, onto Facebook or into an album that the bride will show her granddaughter one day? Or you're shooting the formals and in every shot at least one member of the two families is actually looking at some fool trying a camera phone shot instead of into the camera.

If every camera phone gave the user a small electric shock with every picture, or would lock up completely for 30 minutes after every shot, that would go a long way.

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How many karma points does it take for the colored bar anyhoo?
I think it's more important to let IE6 die(stop supporting it).
It may mean that. But it may also mean that they're intransigent.
doesn't it choke on everything?
I was heavily involved with a university project of designing and building an open wheel racecar. We tried to do the exact same thing, that is, reduce our paperwork while increase knowledge dissemination (as well as knowledge retention and accountability for work).

At first we implemented a wiki. The techie guys on the team saw the long-term value of it and filled it in dutifully, however, many people simply didn't "get" the idea. The wiki ended up stagnating, as only a handful of people used it. The non-techie guys would inevitably ask about what was currently happening, of which the answer was already posted on the wiki. People just never warmed to it. Knowledge management and communication should not be a struggle, or else it will fall by the way side.

The solution was to step away from a wiki system (MediaWiki) and towards something else (Basecamp). Basecamp fitted in with how everyone used the net. Message threads that were relevant to people were sent to their inbox, they could reply to from their own mail account. Milestones are clear - tasks are clear. It's just usable and seamless.

A wiki has a perceived barrier of entry. It's a lot to take on at once for a non-techie. Using the systems which are currently in place, (eg email, a homepage/dashboard setup) to disseminate info will go a long way, rather than fighting an uphill battle of getting people to understand #REDIRECT [[pagename]]
What does the extension do?
there are tons of job postings on Hacker News? Songkick had two adverts last week?
What's so great about space flight?
I like Karlsruhe but I know nobody who calls Karlsruhe the internet capital of Germany. That goes to Berlin,Hamburg and Munich
Elevating Science, Elevating Democracy
Will Microsoft's new Internet explorer will win back its loyal users?
Primer - hackers doing a startup.
I.e. the inverse correlation between immigritant population density and dislike for immigrants.
Are they the sorts to be swayed by a "supported by Microsoft" argument?

http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2008/09/28/jquery-and...
I seem to find the Zone better when I haven't eaten all day. I wonder if the principles are the same. The studies in rats would seem to be very straightforward - combining a restricted calories diet with maze tests. I'm surprised they haven't been done yet.
Most do not know what intelligent design is.

People tend to think it's creationism, when in fact they are diametrically opposite methodologies. Creationism is entirely deductive, whereas intelligent design is inductive. A good hint here is that ID is hated by creationists as well as Darwinists.

Creationism starts with the theory that a particular interpretation of the Bible is correct, and attempts to find evidence for the theory.

Intelligent design, on the other hand, is the conjecture that intelligent/intentional causation is empirically distinguishable from physical causation. Therefore, it attempts to develop falsifiable hypotheses, such as Dembski's explanatory filter.

Additionally, it is common descent ambivalent. Common descent, old earth, etc. may or may not be true for all it cares. However, ID contradicts Darwinism, since Darwinism implies intelligence and intent are produced only by physical laws, thus indistinguishable from physical causation.

I do not want to be a troll. I only want to help correct a very common and very annoying misunderstanding. If someone wants to discuss it more offline, I'd be more than happy to do so.
i love working from home.

it's 3am right now, i'm just wrapping up. i didn't start work today until 1pm because i had to help my girlfriend pack and get to the airport.

i one of my housemates is a good friend though and also works from home, so maybe i'm insulated from the loneliness factor.
The company I work at is using it for a CMS.

Drawbacks of it seem to be large initial download (Total initial download for the CMS's files is 1.1Mb, of which almost 900Kb is JS), and some stability problems after leaving it running for a day.

As for the community "problem", in addition to pay-for support, there's a also lively forum and IRC channel.

Not too big a fan of it, imho the benefit of using extJS seems to be a large download, and dropshadow'd floaty DHTML-windows. Meh.
Game of Life implemented in 5 minutes using APL (amazing video)
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Cognitive load: it takes effort to learn a new way of doing things, especially if the 'old way' is deeply ingrained in the organization. You'll be amazed at the lengths people will go in order not to have to memorize things. If the perceived efficiency gain is not immediately clear people will not learn something new.
"AAAAGGHHHH MY TAB" ? :)
Your question assumes that "the more inventions, the better for sociaty". While this may have been true for the last five hundred years, maybe it's time to reconsider the assumption?

This may sound foolish but please consider: What is more important? To create pills that enable old men to have sex or to solve today's energy problems? The later is not just about new technologies but to overcome the old established structures. Or consider medical treatment: Do we really new technology to heal very uncommon ills for a rich upper class when a large part of the sociaty cannot afford to have well-known basic medical treatment? The later is a social problem, not a technical one.

Another assumption of your question is that patents are the only way to secure a large investement and that there are no alternative barriers to entry for others. However, that is clearly wrong. Do you have the money to manufacture automobiles, for instance? Even if you're capable to invent a new kind of car, do you have the money to advertise it properly?

The third assumption of your question is that we may need a completely different system. However, patents seems to work somewhat fine for the material world. It just doesn't work for
software. So, maybe we should not look for an alternative but for a different, a better kind of patent system?

I'm not saying I have an answer. I just think one should be careful about either/or questions.
Who would be a perfect candidate? It is useful to know which skills would making a great hacker.
Repetition, Motivation, and Seinfeld Calendars
Microsoft and Yahoo! do this too, it's hardly unique to Google (e.g. Hotmail, Viaweb).
maybe so, but a new 15" MacBook Pro should be plenty fast enough to do whatever you do.

MacBook Pro + 24" LCD = no wonder desktops arent selling as much
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I wonder how many people here would use IE8 if it was really the best browser out there. Personally, I've been finding myself turning to chrome over FF every time I boot up my Windows partition - I value a quick boot up time and browsing experience over the benefits of extensions.

I've actually found Windows 7 to be the first copy of Window s that I really wouldn't have a problem using on a day-to-day basis, but my distrust for Microsoft has been honed for so long I'd probably still avoid it. Is this a bad thing?
I'm married (plus four young kids), and I work from home and I love it. My current contract allows me to work only four days a week (30 hours), and the remainder of the week goes to the family. No travel time, no meetings, plus I'm here if needed and the hours are flexible.
That's the only thing I liked in that movie.
Finding the perfect office chair
has anyone on HN tried Alfresco? Usually I just roll my own PHP CMS or battle with Wordpress, but if I was to go with an enterprise ready open source solution this would likely be it. Anyone have testimonials?
Interestingly, I just purchased a new MacBook, and I find myself using it in place of the 20" screen. Not sure why.

Speed is not the issue I thought it might be, and I love the multi-tough thingy; exposé and app switching via touchpad is brilliant.
There really has to be some sort of phallic thing going on for someone to decide to get something that big.
In our case the answer was to move from a technically good wiki with lots of features to a Microsoft solution (Sharepoint) severely lacking in features but looking prettier.
The video linked to in the article is quite interesting:

http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/ice-age-bay-area2
I own a Motorola U9 for a month. I've been unable to find out how to disable the click. Next thing is flashing it. I can't stand the very loud noise.
Honestly, I really don't care anymore.

I though I'd be interested, and some time ago I was, but now... whatever.
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http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=451923
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See also http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=451924 where there is already a comment.
I'd also add that if a new user sees inaccurate/out-of-date information they are very unlikely to ever trust the reliability of the wiki again. Something we're trying is asking those sympathetic to our wiki cause spot-check the wiki periodically to catch and fix glaring mistakes.

(I know, I know the idea of a wiki is a collaborative one, but you must take baby steps, especially in a large organization.)
If they have good pirated content then it could be a PDF streamed over an original Macintosh keyboard cord attached to a rusty can for all I care.
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Do you have the money to manufacture automobiles, for instance?

Capital for new risky ventures, including automobile manufacturing ventures, is available from this source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_Capital

Venture capitalists tend to be more willing to provide capital if one's venture has patents.
I've written utilities in APL - fantastic for getting something done once you've wrapped your head around it. I've done some fun stuff.

I've never been able to read anything non-trivial in it.
What's missing are CMS's with well-designed user interfaces. From what I've seen, Wordpress has one, and that's it (at least of the open-source options). There's room for a CMS that focuses on non-blog content but provides good and separate interfaces for configuration by a programmer and content management by an end-user.

My experience with CMS has been that of doing the initial configuration / development / programming of a CMS which someone else (usually non-technical) will enter content into. My requirements are two: the system needs to be flexible enough for me (a developer) to configure the way I want, and easy for the other person to use without my help.

I would focus on making a great interface for the end-user, and a flexible API / plugin system for developers. This is more-or-less what Wordpress does. Most CMS's seem to take the middle route of trying to make the system easy for an end-user (non-programmer) to configure. This is extremely difficult and unnecessary. Better to make it easy for someone to hire a programmer to set up the system and for them to maintain it themselves. Even Wordpress does a poor job of documenting its API, making plugin development more difficult than it should be.

But really, the key is a great user-interface. Do that, and you should do well.
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"Oh wait, you can just use a gradient of colors instead of random ones, with the more-nested paren pairs having colors farther in on the gradient. Silly me."

Good idea! Is it doable in VIM now? :|
If you'd like to comment on the post, please:

1) Write your comment in MS Word.
2) Export your document as a PDF.
3) Upload the document to Scribd
4) Post the Scribd link as a new story.

Thanks!
You know guys! Thanks a lot, I love HN for it helps me broaden my scope of thinking :)

Its logical to build upon framework already tested and tried, so coming up with something new would've been a waste of time n resources, whereas the current .net scenario provides nice integration as i notice..

another point that comes to my mind is that -- Things couldn't be kept more simpler than that, as you can't sell simplicity at high price.
Would be interested in any news of business model/monetization... I think that'd be important for any future employee.
Yeah I agree that Visual Studio is one of the best and robust IDEs I've ever worked on, it keeps improving...
An excellent movie I enjoyed was: Dark City
It was kind of like a precursor to The Matrix.

http://www.scifimoviepage.com/darkcity.html
They're just portable desktops, no surprise that they're huge.
The Challenges of next generation software applications
A lot of management types don't really grok that an email can be written by a machine, let alone that a web page can be generated as opposed to written by hand. I am certain half the automated reports I send out, many of the recipients think I am drawing the graphs and tables in Excel, cutting and pasting them into Outlook and sending them (ermm, at midnight every night).
Try and get them in to a "gotcha" moment: The next time they ask some question already answered on the wiki, point them to it, instead of giving them the answer (unless it's critical that they need the answer RIGHT NOW).

Nudge 'em to explore, and then go to the next step by telling them they can edit all and everything, and add new pages.
Where I work, I've noticed several trends:

- Duplicate work; as long as the wiki doesn't replace existing processes, placing things there is simply additional work. Moreover, because it's additional, there's no guarantee that any desired piece of information will exist in the wiki.

- People don't like not having an "owner" to a document, especially regarding private edits and such.

- Wiki's make you search for a topic (i.e. they require work), whereas email threads are pushed to you by others motivated enough to CC. Unfortunately, my motivation in tracking an issue will never be the same as the person directly affected by the issue.

- Mostly, however, wiki's don't provide a substantial functionality improvement to what I'm now going to dub the "enterprise wiki": i.e., Word documents on a shared drive. Here, Windows provides structure (well, technically Solaris does, but it's accessed by the user via Windows Explorer), while Word provides the standard document editing interface (although we do work with many document types).

The main drawbacks are terrible search, manual (and content limited) revision control, and an inability to track updates.

The main upsides are a rich editing environment for documents (compare Word to a textarea), support for any document format (don't like doc files? Use something else), and the opportunity for private collaboration & edits without implementing temporary ACLs (i.e., copy a file to the local drive, and email back and forth until publishable).

Personally, I think wiki's are great for collaboration between a heterogeneous, dispersed population. However, at the large corporation where I work, Word + Explorer is a ironic example of the worse-is-better Unix approach (many tools, barely working together) clearly beating the wiki/web-based Monolithic design.