skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Such a notice is legally meaningless, though. Doubly so if the courts rule that scraping for AI purposes counts as fair use.
Ah, Jetbrains must be touching a different part of the elephant. My related experience is with compiling C++ programs meant for human people to run on their own home computers. I imagine internal company dev projects like Jetbrains would cover don't care nearly so much about compatibility.

Also I note that 25%+ of the Jetbrains 2023 survey use C++11 or older. And 50% of Jetbrains survey devs say "No, I don't plan to move to another C++ standard" from C++11. So it's likely that 25% will stay high.
Copyright is for topics like redistribution of the source material. You can’t add arbitrary terms to a copyright claim that go beyond what copyright law supports.

I think you’re confusing copyright with a EULA. You would need users to agree to the EULA terms before viewing the material. You can’t hide contractual obligations in the footer of your website and call it copyright.
As I said it’s the same UI as MacPaint. You don’t hear from the silent majority.
You said we're in a local maximum. Your comment was at odds with itself.
In my case, no small fraction of the traffic was from OpenAI and Anthropic. There were also other user agents that literally said "AI".
> Some people apparently don't remember Windows 98 and how Microsoft tried to demonstrate that Internet Explorer is suddenly such an integral part of the OS that it's technically impossible to separate it.

Heh ye. That was obvious BS. Wasn't there like, sometimes, it looked like IE was running as a widget inside an window? Like search or something?
I don't think the justice system is the one to blame here. Right up until LLMs and their huge datamining operations appeared, everyone in tech was strongly for unrestricted scraping. Everybody here cheered the LinkedIn decision [0], saying "it's on the public web: if you didn't want it to be scraped, you should've put it behind authentication". LLMs change nothing about the legal landscape, they've just convinced everyone on an emotional level that unrestricted scraping is no longer an automatic good. It's not the justice system's job to react to such vibe shifts, the laws themselves have to be changed.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21241395
This is an interesting article, but like many articles of this type it is incredibly frustrating because it leaves out critical information and fails to follow up on obvious questions:

> But because OpenAI had previously argued that it cannot correct information—it can only block information—the fake child murderer story is likely still included in ChatGPT's internal data. And unless Holmen can correct it, that's a violation of the GDPR, Noyb claims.

> "While the damage done may be more limited if false personal data is not shared, the GDPR applies to internal data just as much as to shared data," Noyb says.

In the context of an LLM, what does it even mean to say you have "deleted internal data"? It doesn't really even make sense, is certainly not really possible the way LLMs work, and while I totally agree damaging hallucinations are a serious problem, the problem with hallucinations isn't that they "internally store" false data, it's that they semi-randomly mix-and-match data in ways that can cause false information to be displayed.

Relatedly, this article doesn't touch at all on how this false information came to be reported in the first place. Was there false info in the training data, which would obviously easily explain it? Or did it just "mash up" true bits of different information in a way that caused it to report a falsehood (i.e. a hallucination)?
Losing 20% of global revenue while also losing 20% of global COGS is a much better option than losing 10% of revenue and incurring an extra 10% of R&D.
I could not agree more with this comment. OP entirely misses the point of 2FA. I sleep so much better at night knowing that I have different passwords for every account, and 2FA where possible. One should not write about 2FA when one uses the same "uncrackable" password everywhere...
On again off again vegetarian here (currently on again) thinking about how much of my missing meat is purely psychological with triggers like images of crispy, savory things and words describing how they're made and how they taste rubbing up all over my senses whether I'm walking around in the city or sitting around computing. Even the idea of "veggie burgers" seems to tacitly validate meat eating; like how subversive is that?
And even if they don't, is everything depending on Cloudflare to stay online a good thing?
Coca Cola should just make a new formula that doesn't have any flavoring, carbonation, or sweetener. That should be even cheaper.
Do PII laws apply when you don't have any and have to make stuff up?
Since they almost exclusively make money from auto sales and have never had substantial income from anything else, I sure do think they are an auto company.
It's reasonably likely, but not yet settled, that LLM training falls under fair use and doesn't require a license. This is what the https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/ class action (from 2022) is about, and its still making its way through the court.
This prediction market has it at 12% likely to succeed, suggesting that courts will not agree with you: https://manifold.markets/JeffKaufman/will-the-github-copilot...
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> JD Vance launching a blistering attack against the continent last month, saying in Munich: “I believe deeply that there is no security if you are afraid of the voices, the opinions and the conscience that guide your very own people.”

Nothing inconsistent here, really. To the USA, a French national is _their_ very own people, not _our_ very own people.

Of course, there are two ways to quell that fear, either adjust circumstances so people don't generate the voices, or suppress the voices so they can't be heard. At home it's going to the latter.
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We’ve gone full-on full-code.

Although we’re using temporal to schedule the workflows, we have a full-code typescript CI/CD setup.

We’ve been through them all starting with Jenkins ending with drone, until we realized that full-code makes it so much easier to maintain and share the work over the whole dev org.

No more yaml, code generating yaml, product quirk, groovy or DSLs!
Yes but this is also the common understanding of how generative AI works. Most people who use ChatGPT think that it knows things and can answer questions accurately. It is valuable for AI developers to read stories like this so they can see how normal people view their technology.

I agree that OpenAI can't "delete the data" without deleting the whole model, although they could put in a manual filter on this guy's name. I'm sure he wouldn't mind if ChatGPT just refused to produce any output about him at all.
Good question, I'll try to cram it but it's a whole book based on 3 years of modeling ultimate futures: imagine all the universes from the most dystopian to the most utopian. Ours is in the middle. If you want to go to an above average one - no problem, many will join you to "the party".

If you never helped no one and was in the most perfect utopia all the time and now want to go to a below average world (probably for nostalgic reason, it was the world of your childhood), others probably won't be so eager to join "the party". So you'll probably have to help someone else live in the below perfect world of their childhood first.

You see all world in a static fashion no problem or explore them with your powers but if you really want to forget it all and become a simple human in some a bit dystopian world, you'll need others to join you ("vote").

So people with multiversal powers (to recall and forget are the main ones) have 4D spacetime of each verse.

Easier to imagine 1 universe or 1 planet: the whole spacetime as a giant walkable long exposure photo but in 3d (when I say "4d" here, I mean it has many moments of time aligned on top of each other to make it look like a long exposure photo where you can focus on a moment or defocus and see billions of years all at once).

Multiversal people can basically change the shape of the multiverse and change the shape of themselves by forgetting parts of this giant geometric shape. If two or more people forgot the same parts, they "direct democratically voted" to be together there for some time, chose to visit the "same party".

Basically you're the 4D simulated multiverse and you can temporary choose to forget this fact to become some 3D slice of it that experiences the illusion of time (others can do it, too).

Almost infinitely many geometric shapes have almost infinite freedoms to change their geometric shapes instantly or slowly if they wish. To temporarily slice/forget parts of the multiverse. Anyone can choose to permanently die, too, but cannot kill their baby version, they are like eternal time loops.
There’s a huge difference between doing nothing and proceeding with caution. In circumstances where the risk of failure is low, we can afford to take big risks.

However, when the risks are huge, there is a merit to proceeding with caution.

There’s tons of prior art here when it comes to exploring new building materials, new pharmaceuticals, etc…
True. And to me, as a human, the "humans are bad" crowd are an enemy and need to be fought and defeated.
When I use the term 'the site' I mean both the owners, moderators and users as a collective whole.

There's a sort of unspoken symbiosis going on between the users who consistently flag certain kinds of stories for ideological purposes and the owners/moderators who are content to let them do that.
I think people just hate CI set up by other people. I used TeamCity in a job a few years back and I absolutely hated it, however I imagine a lot of my hatred was the way it was set up.

CI is just the thing no one wants to deal with, yet everyone wants to just work. And like any code or process, you need engineering to make it good. And like any project, you can't just blame bad tools for crappy results.
What started in Vegas didn’t stay there, and got ACARS’d.
> using a card is friendlier than using an app

This is so obviously true for non-tech elderly folk that don't already have smartphones. I can hardly believe it's in question.

Card:

1. Receive free card from bank in mail.

2. Keep card in your wallet/purse which you already take every time you go out.

3. Memorise PIN (the tricky bit, to be fair).

4. Wave or insert card for payment.

Phone app:

1. Either find a phone shop and ask for help, or figure out how to securely buy a smartphone online.

2. Figure out how to set your phone up. This involves a lot of confusing decisions such as whether to create an apple/google account, which services to enable, etc... .

3. Learn how to search for, install, and use phone apps. The parking app will vary depending on where you choose to park.

4. Set up google/apple pay or your card payment details on required apps.

5. Learn how to connect your phone to wifi if you end up parking in an area with internet but no phone signal.

6. Remember to take your smartphone with you every time you plan to drive and park somewhere.

7. Muddle your way through what is often a bloated, ad-ridden app every time you want to park.
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Perhaps someone should tell this to Greenpeace and their donors.

Seems all that protesting and $660m judgement is for naught. According to you.
CDNs are a cash cow. They’re not going to set their reputation on fire and violate all of their security guarantees for negligible amounts of money.
This stability does mean that old React (or Knockout, or whatever) applications will still work just fine for the end users, likewise without a single line changed.

The instability is on the tooling side (and peer deps). Getting back into a project that uses Broccoli and Bower is a nightmare. And that was just a handful of years ago. You have to become a detective, finding what combination of package versions and Homebrew dependencies were expected on the last git commit date.
I feel like there's been a lot of assumptions going on, but not much testing. For instance, somebody has said that a lot of these bots are coming from Chinese IP ranges. Is that true? What percentage, vs. say Amazon regions? I would love more data!
I think you're conflating the coders with the code. I read the upthread comments as advocating against dedicated FE/BE coders, not against dedicated FE/BE code bases.

Of course you want your embedded C separate from your CSS! The critique, I think, is that you don't want a front end team, because if your front end is in good shape, then they'll change things just to keep busy.
That caricature was so long ago a new caricature (from seven years ago) has emerged to lampoon it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpB9Aeq8lUA

Granted, I have no doubt that the work culture is much tougher than in North America. But even the Chinese government has recognized 996 and taken steps to address it.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/china-neijuan-invo...

Also, Foxconn manufacturing isn't exactly the same thing as NetEase video game development, even if they both exist within the same labor environment.
Just tested up to 2 * 1000000, and it indeed looks like that's all of them.
I moved a three-foot-high stack of 4x8' sheetrock from one section of strip mall through the gap in the uncovered metal studs to the next one over, maybe 10ft away. Sheetrock is heavy and unwieldy. Such mindless (but necessary) work. Unforgettable.

So, yeah, I've got much respect for our hard working brothers and sisters, even if I only did it for a summer.

But I have even more respect for you, friend. Trying to help troubled kids is infinitely more difficult and, I imagine, draining. I hope you feel the joy of your (perhaps rare) successes in helping another human being feel like someone cares about them.

My father, after retiring from his outstanding 21yr enlisted Navy career, finished his teaching degree summa lum laude. His student teaching semester was in a "last chance" high school, where a student got in his face one day. He took his degree and got a job driving heavy equipment like graders for a construction firm. He was/is far too old-school for that shit.

Peace be with you, friend.
The argument the AI companies are making is that training for LLMs is fair use which means a copyright statement means fuck all from their point of view. (Even if it does, assuming you're in the US, unless you register the copyright with the US copyright office, you can only sue for actual damages, which means the cost of filing a lawsuit against them--not even litigating, just the court fee for saying "I have a lawsuit"--would be more expensive than anything you could recover. Even if you did register and sued for statutory damages, the cost of litigation would probably exceed the recovery you could expect.)

Of course, the big AI companies are already trying to get the government to codify AI training as fair use and sidestep the litigation which doesn't seem to be going entirely their way on this matter (cf. https://arstechnica.com/google/2025/03/google-agrees-with-op...).
someone on loads of blow still in their blood veins
The contenteditable "plaintext-only" attribute value combination is now Baseline
You mean the "Active Desktop" I think, some small widgets on top of the desktop wallpaper which usually showed 404's because you didn't dial up to the Internet yet :)
Is it just me or is anyone else unable to swipe to go back to the parent HN page from the longlead.com website?
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Does your crawler respect robots.txt? Does it request pages with nice delays so that it doesn't bring down servers? Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43422413
That seems to be the disagreement. But saying someone desecrated a grave is a pretty serious accusation.

That’s quite different from accidentally digging up a grave that no one knew was a grave.
Yup. The Frontend ecosystem juice isn't worth the squeeze unless you've got a full time team of software devs on your project. Better to ditch NPM etc. and go with HTMX.
Interesting, how do you figure they establish citizenship status in those circumstances?
Well since the guy in charge does Nazi salutes and is destroying our government, I'm pretty sure that's consistent with their morals? Or are we conveniently leaving that off?
Compressed pointers in 64-bit Java are exactly that. You save 4 bytes per reference at the cost of losing some bytes per object in overhead, how favorable that is at various heap sizes depends on the references/object ratio.

The IBM 360 settled the 8-bit byte as the industry standard, but Digital Equipment Equipment kept making stragglers up to about 1980s. The only machines with oddball word sizes I ever got my hands on were the 12-bit PDP-8 (my high school when I was in elementary school) and the 36-bit PDP-10 (Children's museum in Boston.) DEC also made the PDP-11 which seemed a lot like an 8-bit micro in mindset (RSTS/E let you code BASIC in your own 64k address space) and the VAX which was the OG 32-bit architecture which inspired the 68k, 80386 and the "workstations" of the 1980s. DEC struggled with the microprocessor revolution because they didn't want to undercut sales of their old machines, but they struck back with the 64-bit Alpha architecture.
What about if my index says "This are the EULA, by clicking "Next" or "Enter", you are accepting them", and a LLM scrapper "clicks" Next to fetch the rest of the content?
Soft drinks get carbonation and syrup added and are bottled close to point of use (because that's cheaper and better than shipping the finished product) so they're subject to local potable water costs. Unless government is distorting thing that just doesn't make sense.
Aside from the stock price and government shilling there have some impressive Tesla protests/arson attacks etc.
Most importantly it can't be held liable like a human.
In terms of resource extraction needed for the batteries and the panels, how sustainable is it? The way I understand it is that you can't really repair broken panels and batteries... Can we still make these after, let's say, 500 years? I have no conception at all in this topic...
What, hackathons require admission applications these days? Holy crap I'm getting old...
Am I just out of my mind for feeling like I should wait a few months for a cheaper hardware equivalent to drop without an OS that will run Pebble?

I guess $100 average profit is "normal" in terms of production, marketing, r&d and all of that.. but this is just an old watch that someone is selling again since the OS was open sourced. The profit is just all profit.. I can't imagine a non-US manufacturer won't just start cranking out devices people can flash with a better OS.
I'm not sure I'm following what you mean by 'social roles'. Which roles are you referring to here?

I'll disagree that it's not at least individual malicious choice, though. Someone decided that they needed to fake/change user agents (as one example), and implemented it. Most likely it was more than one person- some manager(s)/teams probably also either suggested or agreed to this choice.

I would like to think at some point in this decision making process, someone would have considered 'is it ethical to change user agents to get around bans? Is it ethical to ignore robots.txt?' and decided not to proceed, but apparently that's not happening here...
this isn't about copyright but about computer access. the CFAA is extremely broad; if you ban LLM companies from access on grounds of purpose you have every legal right to do so

in theory that legislation has teeth, too. they are not allowed to access your system if you say they are not; authentication is irrelevant.

every GET request to a system that doesn't permit access for training data is a felony
Perversely, this submission is essentially blogspam. The article linked in the second paragraph, to which this "1 minute" read adds almost nothing of value, is the main story:

<https://thelibre.news/foss-infrastructure-is-under-attack-by...>

394 comments. 645 points. Submitted 3 hours ago:
<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43422413>
Yeah, IMO this is also why they can be so terrible at UI. They don't really have a feedback loop for a lot of code related issues yet.

This is changing and I really expect everything to be different 12 months from now.
Physically can they? Sure. But there’s costs associated with that too. They’re clearly not hugely concerned with developer relations right now, but an ever changing “public” api certainly can annoy and drive off your developers in a way that a private and non existent api won’t. Likewise there’s an argument to be made that a constantly changing public API is also anti-competitive. If every iOS release winds up with breaking changes that force developers to update their devices and kill off devices that aren’t being updated anymore is that really any better than a private API? We already see a lot of anger over Apple dropping 32 bit libraries or how quickly they drop developer support for older OS versions and “force” developers to keep making updates to stay current on their public APIs.
I agree even if I have mixed feelings on it.

To me this feels almost like the news complaining that they want a "link tax." Weren't their headlines and summaries used? It seems inconsistent to somehow say that AI and scraping is not okay; but that news companies should also not be entitled to their link tax. It's okay to index, but not that kind of index.
No, we're past pnpm and on to bun now
- I liked the 'surprise' button because I wasn't sure what to type in the search box. I'm so used to typing a location by default.
- I like your examples in this HN post and also the categories below the fold.
- I like that I can favorite things without registering an account. I've been experimenting with guest accounts and blank states on my site.
- When I search for multiple words from the search tab, acts funny. "big windows" became "big". I tried a refresh and the autocomplete said "big windows", but submitting with enter filtered it to "Bath, UK". Maybe there's some timing issue here with fast submits?
- I prefer the screenshots / pitch you have on the app store over the website. I like the idea of browsing and filtering, rather than starting with a specific search. Again, that first point that this is something different than location search and helping me understand what I'm supposed to do.

Beautiful site, well done! I love the idea. I'm based in the US.
That’s a myth. In many parts of Mexico, if not everywhere, water treatment is bad and drinking tap water is not advised, so you buy purified water.

It cost around 10 pesos (50 cents) to fill a 19 liter (5 gallon) jug. That’s cheaper than a single 12oz can of coca cola
Tech's general atheism has left many tech people with a somewhat compromised ideological immune system: preposterous magical thinking is laundered with sci-fi language and accepted as plausible. (cf. the simulation "hypothesis", Roko's basilisk, paperclip maximizers, etc)

Why not stipulate that the Flying Spaghetti Monster oversees the elections like an FEC commissioner? It is equally rational: the only difference is that it doesn't jive with sci-fi aesthetics, just like how Pastafarianism doesn't jive with Catholic aesthetics.
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