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Five years ago, in 2007, everybody was thinking social and mobile, just like today. The author talks about how technology changes radically, but none of the businesses he cited (Digg, Twitter, Facebook) are enabled by new technology, or solving new problems. Everybody is just trying to milk the social cow over and over again, there's nothing new short-term. All the exciting ones are long-term (Self-driving cars? SpaceX? Graphene? Cheap genome research?).
You are iterating at the wrong level
Yahoo's front page is 600kb and finishes rendering after about a second. Google is 17kb, and renders in a tenth of that. More Googlification awaits.
I bet she'll do nothing more than turn Yahoo into a well-organized and well-fed train wreck. She really needs to bet on something big, not just get people into nice lifeboats. Maybe Scott McNealy would've been a better hire.
That looks remarkably similar. Were you also influenced by MonoTouch.Dialog, as was QuickDialog's developer?
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Gotta get the front page biggest sentence right :(
It's called marketing, those are just new techniques. The goals are still the same, the things that work well are just changing a lot.

Remember the distinction a few years ago when marketers using the internet were called Internet Marketers? How many people in marketing don't touch the internet with any of their campaigns now? Now that's just called marketing.

It's perfectly fine to be interested in the new marketing techniques being developed, especially if you're the HN crowd. That's not what I'm saying.

You aren't understanding marketing if you can't see that "growth hacker" is a branding play. It's good to learn to recognize when marketing techniques are being used to appeal to your demographic if you want to get any skill at using it for yourself.
It's about obsession and love for growth, whether optimization or acquisition either by growth hackers or technical marketers.

Everything else is secondary.
It's not entirely new, no, but it's new like the iPhone was new. None of the component ideas in the iPhone were 100% new, but it wasn't possible to build one at a consumer price-point until certain preconditions, both technological and economic, were met.

I'd claim this: marketing more than most disciplines lives or dies by the state of communication technology. The best marketers in any generation know how to use that technology to their advantage.

But communication technology is radically different today than it was even 20 years ago, let alone 120 years ago when PT Barnum was alive. For one, it's more digital and more technological. It's also changing at an accelerating pace. 10 years ago neither Facebook nor YouTube existed. 6 years ago Twitter didn't. Tumblr, 5. Pinterest, 2. Instagram, 1.

Or, think of it this way (as a marketer might): the rate at which new marketing channels are being created is accelerating. We're talking channels that can potentially reach 1MM, 10MM, 100MM people sprouting afresh every year. That's not the world PT Barnum lived in.

Why is is so crazy to think that this new environment results in a new breed of marketer, more at home in bits and bytes than in creating hoaxes which spread through poorly fact-checked newspapers and traditional marketing "stunts?" And that therefore engineers -- the same people who are creating these new channels -- are perhaps best adapted to this new environment?

It's also presumptuous to think that growth hackers -- and I'd include myself in that lot -- aren't familiar with PT Barnum, David Ogilvy, Jack Trout, or other famous marketers.
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Yes. People do resist change but it happens.
Our main products are a Chrome Extension, and an iPhone application. The website itself gets a, granted small, but growing amount of traffic -- but it's mainly just there to direct people towards the clients.

I don't think that Alexa or Compete do a perfect job of reflecting our usage numbers, since the website itself is not the main way people interact with us.
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To be clear, it's not a "dig" at international users.

To speak from personal experience, the site that I was founder/CEO of earlier in my career, imeem, was wildly popular in the Philippines and Thailand. At peak, we were a top 20 site in the Philippines, according to Alexa.

We spent a lot of time adding country-specific filters to music charts, comments, etc once tagalog and thai started seeping into every page of the site.

We loved our foreign users, but from an advertising business perspective, a user in southeast asia is worth a small fraction of a US or UK user. The relative low value of developing country users to brand advertisers is the primary reason sites like Orkut, Friendster, Hi5, etc ended up in the place they are.

It's not a question of nationalism, it really does boil down the what the advertising market is willing to pay. This is one additional factor re:why ad-supported social platforms end up with mis-aligned incentives w/users...
From what I understand, even unknown actors have agents to find them parts in commercial or as extras etc. so I'm not convinced only irreplaceable people need agents. I agreed that it is less convenient for the hiring manager because they are dealing with someone who is skilled at negotiation but they would be forced put up with it because the demand for skilled developers is so high.
Finding the right channel that will scale a startup is an experiment and a process.

If you knew what was going to scale your product, you would of done it by now.

Growth hackers do whatever it takes to find growth and that might require a range of skills for user awareness, acquisition, retention, engagement and resurrection.
Nope, developed it totally independently according to my needs.
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Thank you :) It wasn't that difficult
Thought-provoking post. To me, one way to determine whether a system will have network effects or anti-network effects is to ascertain how much of its usage is driven by fashion versus utility. Take email as an extreme example of the latter. It's valuable because it's so universal - but it's not fashionable at all. It's a pure utility. So no anti-network effects (perhaps beyond spam but those are less about #s of participants as behavior). I put Facebook in an intermediate category where it's transitioned reasonably well from fashion to a utility, though the folks that looked at it as fashion are now getting more turned off by it. Indeed, the anti-network effect isn't simply about numbers - it's about who is coming into the network and a lost feeling of exclusivity (which honestly sometimes picks on very base human emotions) when the network grows with certain types of people. I think twitter has moved further up the utility value chain than facebook has so I'd posit it's less vulnerable to anti-network effects (not to mention the asymmetric follow model that dalton talks about).
This attitude annoys the creative person in me as well, who loves writing software.

But you can't be mad at the business people moving in, optimizing the process because they got into the business because they saw an opportunity to make money.

I'm sure tv writers felt the same way about the first rise of infomercials and televangelists. Hucksterism works and it's good capitalism. And it always annoys the creative people who see themselves as artists or artisans.
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And the "game" that came from it: https://eyewire.org

Would be cool if someone from like Zynga or other gaming company could actually help expand this to the general public.
Not exactly, consulting firms find the work but they also pay you a salary and they have the final say in what projects you work on. Developers work for consulting firms, agents work for their clients.
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Go tell that to 18 year olds :)
Wow, I'd never seen that comic before. http://i.imgur.com/AfLMo.jpg

Edit: Original context: BenjaminCoe decided to reply to me with the xkcd comic referencing the, "Someone is wrong on the internet" thing. He has since deleted his comment without explanation.
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nope that was me, not svbtle. just occasional change of pace, maybe give the trolls less to blather on about (altho seems like i got plenty of shit for using too much pink).

personally, i think proper grammar is mostly a waste of time... as has happened previously, its use will be eroded by pop culture and mainstream behaviors rather quickly.

also, for some reason i think capitalizing the word 'I' is somehow king of arrogant. don't know why that is, but just seems that way to me.
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Wow, this reporter really doesn't know what he's talking about. He thinks Evan Williams is working on product at Twitter now.
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The reality is that the people investing the money don't want hard problems.

They just want scale, viral growth, network effect, more ways to sell advertising. Most of the money today is on completely superfluous crap, and that's why the economy is on the mud.

Why invest on improving individuals, when you can just distract them and reach for their pockets?
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The reason why that data isn't freely available probably has to do with the fact that it's proprietary.
Well, who's to say they even have the facilities or personnel for free food at other locations? If it's an office with a break room it probably isn't set up to serve hundreds of meals a day.
Yes of course. In a corporate environment, you would usually install the proxy server's CA certificate in your certificate store and validate that all certificates were issued by the proxy server.

My original comment was just pointing out that validating that the certificate you get when you connect to https://www.github.com in a corporate network may not be the same as the one you get on the open internet.

It's up to you to decide whether that's something you care about though.
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I doubt it. If Mayer wanted to play second fiddle to Page, she'd have stayed at Google.
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Nice work! I'd love to see the addition of a volume control. With my headphones, even at the lowest volume level above mute, the music is still louder than I'd like.

This seems to be a common issue for me with a lot of the embedded music players.
I'm not saying that. Like any person, I'm more than 2D and have a whole bunch of motivations, but unlike most companies, making oodles of money isn't my main one for this, and so I don't prioritize it very much when it conflicts with other things. I find doing things that solve problems for people interesting and fulfilling, and that's primarily what motivated the creation of this.
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Alan Kay's STEPS project is a non-mainstream paradigm you might find inspiring. Saw this pdf recently and it blew my mind, which happens much less often than it used to (like you, I'm becoming more prone to irritability and frustration).

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I 100% agree that you need to focus and work hard to make business succeed however I disagree that 20s is the best time to do that.
Having to take the mouse to an area of the screen that doesn't have any UI clues that something may happen is not a mouse paradigm. If I show you a window that doesn't have the red X in the top right corner, would you still take the mouse there and click anyway or would you not even bother?
That blogpost in no way supports your statement. In fact, quite the opposite.
> If you are trustworthy, you have readers, and you will never be short on advertisers.

This works extremely well with small publishers or niche markets: Mother Jones can criticize Monsanto while publishing ads for organic food, and Penny Arcade can make fun of Blizzard while still running Blizzar ads (they can always run ads from Valve instead if they don't).

But for a mass market publisher like NYT, a large advertiser with a steady ad budget absolutely wields an influence over content, even if they never say a word. Suits at media companies have every incentive not to rock the boat, and so soften stories, or simply focus more effort on news that is unlikely to threaten ad revenue (ie, crime and celebrity news). Occasionally, this kind of self-censorship is blatant, like the infamous Fox/Monsanto milk hormone story, but usually the effect is subtle, like the warping of a gravitational field.

Admittedly, readers do create their own distortion effect on news, perhaps even bigger than advertisers. But since that's a factor either way, I still see reduced reliance on advertising as a positive trend in mass media.
Wow, is it just me or is there a whole lot of passive aggressiveness in this post?

Anyway, to address the post, yes we do know that Google have implemented most of OAuth 2.0, but in reality not everyone is happy to use Google of various reasons.

There are plenty of people and organizations have to implement OAuth 2.0 server-side and wade through messy specification where half of it may be irrelevant.
Another good read on this, if interested, is Jay Stevens' "Storming Heaven: LSD and the American Dream". Great piece of journalism and a look into all the old studies and politics surrounding LSD.
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> Because art deserves to be respected as much as physics when it comes to understanding the world.

Is there any evidence or argument that could possibly change your mind about this?
Would you look at that?

A "neat this, neat that, not too bad" review of a Yahoo homepage even though it's the exact same kaka as it was two weeks ago. Who would've thought that getting a notable ex-Googler on board would have a such immediate effect on swaying geeks in a pro-Yahoo direction?

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Newspapers are no longer the primary, or most effective connecting point for ideas and information between people.

From where I see it, Tomorrow's generation simply doesn't use newspapers the same way as anyone has in the last 200 years.

Paywalls are another kiss of death for newspapers that are already searching for relevancy in today's world. I have zero clue why they're doing them again, they had tried them before and failed. Short of industry wide collusion, if one paper in town charges, and the other doesn't, all the online traffic will go to the free one. Not to mention we can get more information, quicker, from multiple sources online and it's only going to get easier.

The rise of bloggers on newspaper websites shows how many other places we're willing to get our information.

I don't want newspapers to go away. I like the experience of reading a paper. It's almost relaxing compared to the constant distractions from screens.

Still they're massively laying off people and not publishing on certain days. Newspapers need to find a way to make money and be sustainable. Maybe there's a middle of a new kind of subscription of not getting access to the articles right away without paying.

My background: Worked in the newspaper industry for 4 years around the last dotcom boom. Remember the horror then..
"I'm sorry, my current contract forbids me from discussing my remuneration. I'm sure you understand and have similar policies. However, I can give you a ballpark figure: more than <insert your desired base salary here>."

Or you could just be honest and tell them what you're currently earning. They still have to make you an offer, and you're free to reject it. I don't think telling potential employers your current salary is losing 'the hand', or if it is, you have plenty of opportunity during the negotiation of your offer to get it back.

But really, if your potential employer has a simple go/no-go flag on some salary threshold, then you can be sure you don't want to work there--especially because your co-workers there have (like yourself) won a race to the bottom.
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It seems to be the correct UI choice - If you start typing, your input goes into the search field, and the calculator app is purely a mouse/touch application. Looks like a thoughtful UX choice.
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Even I don't understand it. (It's very deep.)

However, why should you question it just because it hasn't bothered to explain itself to you on your terms? Why should it explain itself to you at all? Who do you think you are all of a sudden?
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Thanks for the reference. Would not have expected to see an article like this make the front page of HN.

I know its changed the way i perceive the world. Could possibly be the reason I find it easier to see problems from different angles and in a different light.
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Then stop prematurely promoting half-assed code?

This is like back when Rails was new and everybody was showing off their poorly made CMS that had security issues baked in from the start.
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But let's think about it: The actors you're talking about who have the agent on the lowest rung are still professional actors, i.e. they do acting to earn a living and nothing else.

However that set of actors is a small sub-set of those actors who get a role every now and then but don't earn a full time living. So there is an entire class of actors who get an industrial spot, do summer stock, play an extra or do voice overs who don't have an agent.

I know this because I've hired those actors for various projects. However if those actors had a name that you could recognize they'd have an agent.
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I think you're misreading his comment, if you believe it was anything but critical and unbiased. I didn't read it as "pro-Yahoo", but fair.
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> you also need to evaluate whether it resonates with your own belief system.

The universe has never asked my input into anything before. Why should it care whether any aspect of itself resonates with my belief system?

I've seen what happens when people evaluate new ideas based largely on whether they resonate with their belief systems. The world doesn't need any more votes on whether the sea level is rising or whether the human genome is similar to the chimp genome because Jesus.

If you question whether this has any relevance to morality, for example, ask yourself why morality shouldn't be evaluated empirically. Might yield better results than channeling a mythologized goatherd.
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Hmm, I don't think that's the case. Could you elaborate on why you think ghc's version is the culprit?

I've just built gitit using cabal-dev and ghc 7.0.3. So more likely it's just an old case of "cabal hell".
Interesting, could be. Certainly most internet plans in New Zealand have a bandwidth cap, since all the traffic comes through very long expensive cables. That means round trips are slow too, which might be more relevant. Still does't explain a lot of things though.
> but in reality not everyone is happy to use Google of various reasons.

I don't think he is saying 'just use Google'. He is saying that Google's wide-spread adoption of OAuth 2.0 is existence proof that the technology itself works.

> plenty of people and organizations have to implement OAuth 2.0 server-side and wade through messy specification where half of it may be irrelevant

Hence this bit: "It’s done. Stick a fork in it. Ship the RFCs." It is entirely possible that the 'working' bits of the spec will be distilled out as RFCs which should make implementation easier.