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Same with engineering - just read any sunday paper home section article. Somebody will be saying that they can never assemble some piece of Ikea furniture. This stuff is designed so that a 5year old could follow instructions but anyone stylish has to look like they can never use their hands.

Imagine you are an engineer and faced with a McD menu it would be fashionable to point and say = I'll have that one, I can never do words and numbers.
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Well, you're probably right about that, in that case.
Do you believe that writers and social scientists have nothing to add to this discussion?

Mostly, Yes.
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What if you had to add your opinion everytime you up/downvoted?
4chan sucks all energy from a person. I kinda aggree about the articles that are voted up those days though. ("Watch the Olympics"). The way to check HN these days is though Hackerfollow.

I wish everything had less information and traffic to consume.
There was a small discussion about this here on HN previously where someone was effectively calling people terrorists for downloading these files.

Ill have to go back and look for the conversation, but we knew this was coming very soon after these files were built.
Yep. As a televised competition between national teams i guess it's not that interesting anymore, because neither national feelings nor chemically flavored sports viewing is at its peak, making them more like a soulless, overengineered dumb movie. Of course, the eyeball-hungry visual media and the IOC will stuff it in ur face at maximum strength, most times with support from local tax-funded public TV channels (at least here in europe).

Relevant: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/how-th...
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True story. I was having trouble sleeping and I went to a big box home improvement store for some custom cut roller blinds. I measured the blinds to the nearest 1/8 inch so less light would leak around the edges. I grab the blinds and go to the blind cutting machine, which has an arm marked off like a ruler to 16ths of an inch, with the cutting blade held by a screw clamp. There are no detents or grooves to force discrete measurements, just a screw clamp, so this machine can do any length between its min and max length.

Well, the young woman who comes looks at the measurements I wrote down and looks at me and says, "The machine doesn't do fractions."

I was floored. She was lying to cover her innumeracy, because she didn't do fractions. If this is indicative of a trend, it's bad news for the future of the United States.
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There's always the argument that the register process leaks the same data. But having it appear in a dropdown makes it easier to incidentally see someone you might know.
Actually, we should be worked be ADA compliant and have worked to make this accessible.

Screen readers should pick up the alternate text.

<a href="javascript:AYAH_fallback()" style="position:absolute;left:-10000px;top:auto;width:1px;height:1px;overflow:hidden;">Please complete this audio captcha before submitting the form</a>

Also, I know the audio sucks, but it's the most secure out there, otherwise it would just be a giant hole for bots to get through. It's one of the things we want to make better.

In fact, we've experimented with audio games and had some good results.
That's not the point of the quote. The point is it's hard to find a larger purpose/cause worth striving for in life. In the past, we had WWI and WWII where almost everyone was in it together, even if you weren't in the front lines. Your parents probably centered their whole lives around just making it financially if they were immigrants.

Whereas today, we don't have a great war, or any cause that makes us feel as we're part of something greater than ourselves. We have to come up with our own things to strive for, and sometimes these don't go as planned, or depend a bit on luck and circumstances. I.e. starting a startup or finding love.
I'm biased since I'm a software engineer, but I believe algebra is extremely valuable. I can't imagine not knowing it! If I were to revise math education I would balance the amount of time spent on geometry (1 year HS), trig (1 year HS) and calculus (1 year HS, 2.5 yrs undergrad) better with discrete math, linear algebra, probability and statistics. The current system seems to be disposed toward creating 50's NASA fodder and economists.
Here's the comment in question you replied to. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4291948 In order to see your own, you have to turn on "show dead" in your profile.

But fair enough. I can imagine a moderator seeing your comment show up at http://news.ycombinator.com/newcomments then either reflexively banning or seeing your karma is sub-100 before doing so.

> Have you ever been censored for disagreeing?

Are you saying your "heh" was disagreement? In any case, yes, and it makes me shrug--it doesn't affect my pain-in-the-ass attribute. If I want my opinion online and google-able, I have places to put it where it won't be censored. If I want to debate, I've found HN is useful for quite a lot of subjects but still shies from those which pretty much everywhere with a karma system shies from (so that includes academia)--HN is nevertheless fairly tolerant if you have a coherent point to make, at least for a while. Even moldbug (http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=moldbug) lasted for quite a while with all his controversy before he got hellbanned. His case of banning is one of several I strongly disagree with, but that's not enough to discount the entire concept of hellbanning. Of course it's not a perfect system--e.g. it'd be nice if HN users with >10k karma could reverse one.
I do.. not everyone goes out to get drunk or party on a Saturday night. Watching the Olympics was actually something I was looking forward to yesterday.
That's still an interface (perhaps I'm being a bit too technical).
Funny that I haven't seen one mention of gamification in this thread. To me that was the big takeaway here. When Glass/Augmented Reality/whatever-its-going-to-be-called hits, this could probably be how most people will interact with it.

It's all over this video. Watch the guy get frustrated when he doesn't get a perfect score chopping cucumbers. Note the high-score table in his closet. Even the "Wingman" dating app is pushing him to succeed via goals and achievements.
The thing about mathematical literacy and financial contracts (credit agreements etc) is that if those contracts are constructed in such a way as to deliberately confuse the average customer/borrower, then increasing the average level of education wont actually help. The contracts will just get even more confusing to compensate.
I see this as an opportunity to develop your skills as a web developer, not knowing how to work commonly used tools from the command line is a weakness that needs to be resolved.
Ha. Looks like the domain is available. In reality we were initially targeting users in the US, but have had a lot of interest internationally. Most just use it as is, but we have had others pay for translation or custom games.

We are also planning on a set culturally agnostic (as well as culturally specific) games. If you go to our homepage and refresh through the games you'll see a shape game, that has no language for an example.
Well, anecdotally, since that's all I have to rely on, yes. I'm fairly certain that if you were to survey the basic maths skills on an average liberal arts college in most of Europe or the US, you'd get a result that would shock you.
Nor around here when you're leaving primary school. So I assume it is a kind of hyperbole used by your parent. At the same time, however, not having any scientific literacy at all seems to be accepted or even glorifies in Western popular culture.

Then again, other troublesome behavior is quite accepted as well, like, for example drinking alcohol. How often haven't I heard a parent proudly tell that his or her child just had her/his first beer.

Some bad behavior seems just socially and culturally accepted. And changing culture is hard, so, even though there have been programmes stimulating STEM for decades now, there seem to almost no real improvement.
Who really cares what it was designed to do? The fact is, almost the entire userbase is going to receive that email before they can switch tabs to their email inbox. So even though it wasn't designed to be immediate, it is in practice, and we have a whole list of technologies that we use despite intent (HTTP wasn't designed to be stateful, and yet we use it as such constantly).

Mail transmitting is only sometimes encrypted, which is disappointing, but I've yet to hear of an instance where a user account was compromised when the forgotten password link was hijacked by listening to the wire between two mail servers. If it really is a problem, this could also be mitigated easily by only allowing the link to work on the browser that initiated the request.

Frankly, though, I'd love it if this system were implemented if for no other reason than to encourage mail servers to enable TLS on their SMTP backend.
It's amazing how similar Javascript and Lua are. For example, the following three statements are equivalent:

> JS: { x : 2 + 3, y : 9 }["x"] * (11 + 23)
> Lua: ({ x = 2 + 3, y = 9 })["x"] * (11 + 23)
> Lua: ({ x = 2 + 3, y = 9 }).x * (11 + 23)
> In 2007, South Korea temporarily mandated that all websites with over 100,000 viewers require real names, but scraped [sic] it after it was found to be ineffective...

In other news, TC editors still found to be ineffective.
I'm very sure hellbanning doesn't affect comments prior to the ban--do you know something I don't?--but when new comments by that user are posted they are instantly marked dead. The slowdown is part of the hellban, the whole point is to make the site unpleasant so that the user leaves instead of coming back to harass. With the user believing the site is slow as tar and no one responding to them, it's quite effective. The downside is that it loses its effectiveness as it becomes public knowledge.
What's odd here is the line of demarcation between mathematics (or technical subjects in general) and liberal arts -- two of the quadrivium are arithmetic and geometry. And while we can probably agree that the influential aspects of astrology are no longer worth serious study (except, perhaps, from a historical, psychological or sociological perspective), the periodicity -- the astronomy -- of astrology was also considered part of a well-rounded education. (Music was the fourth element of the quadrivium.)

Perhaps it would be best to refer to a completely non-technical education as trivial since it ignores more of the liberal arts than it incorporates.
Being hellbanned from HN is starting to feel like a badge of honour.
Understanding variables is a hallmark of the "formal operational" stage of development.[1] It's the same reason why we hear some people "just don't get" programming. Same reason why languages like LOGO avoid this construct.

If grasping Algebra is actually about attaining this developmental stage, we need to be approaching the problem on a more fundamental level. Kids will move through these stages at a different pace and if you're on the tail end of developmental pace you're going to fall through the cracks.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaget%27s_theory_of_cognitive_...
It's hard not to understand 0.5% is not a lot. It's seems to me she knew risks, but ignored them.
Damn, I'm going to have to change my username to rocketboy2354.
What happens when multiple people use a device? Like iPad or family computer?
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The bottom of the post isn't where you linked the referral. Pretty shady behavior, honestly.
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did you write the libraries yourself? is it libsvm with a python wrapper? I'm curious
I always find it humorous when one community claims that another community is "pretentious bullshit" -- don't you sort of have to be pretentious yourself in order to even make such a claim?
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They buried it, but: "Further analysis by Carnegie Mellon’s Daegon Cho and Alessandro Acquisti, found that ... the policy reduced swearing and “anti-normative” behavior at the aggregate level by as much as 30% ..."

Seems pretty compelling (and positive) to me.
Thanks. The audio challenge does suck and we're working on making it better, but still secure.
If you are an apple fan, then it seems balanced. On an absolute level it is not balanced. You notice this subtle bias everywhere, most likely because many people use macs.

I've seen questions about how to do something in linux/windows downvoted (replying to people who suggested homebrew or macports)
They're right about HN taking itself too seriously. Trolling here is child's play.
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Very cool, I was unaware of the streaming API. Nice work!
That would lead to general inflation. You need to give comments on both directions.

What I'd like to see is article downvoting. As it stands there is no user-inflicted punishment for posting a sensationalized or otherwise terrible article
> Where are these torrents, with high quality video posted in near real time?

We should see a solution to that soon. http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/13/bittorrent-live/
I'm note sure you can get a 10% success rate, if you have let us know, we'd love to hear about it. Note that our demo page has the threshold set to almost nothing and other security features disabled.

Totally agree that we could detect patterns and behaviors without the captcha. Baby steps, though. We'll get there.
I have had to wait couple of minutes for the email show up in gmail or few minutes for it to be delivered to outlook.
OK, so i am going to go out on a limb here and assume that this WILL piss off a portion of your users.

That being said, can it work "halfway"? It seems the main benefit of this approach (from a UX standpoint, disregarding security etc.) would be to simplify things for people who always use one device and forget and reset their passwords all the time anyway.

What one could do is to simply reverse the prominence of the "enter password" and "reset password" steps of your login flow.

Enter your email, and get a big fat "Get Login Link" button below the field. Next to it is a small link that says "use password"
My experience from the UK is that more kids can do 12 * 9 in their heads at the end of primary school than at the end of secondary. Possibly because by the end of secondary a good percentage of them are too drunk or off their heads on ketamine or methadrone (or whatever it is this week) to either understand the question, or to even understand which way up to hold the bit of paper with the question on it.
Self-reported opinion is terrible. That assumes people would be honest about it ...
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From my experience, his tips are very practical. In particular, if any of you end are founders / leaders or end up being founders / leaders, I can't overemphasize how important it is to communicate and repeat your message, strategy, goals, etc. As an organization gets larger, unless you're bored of your message yourself, it probably hasn't sunk in for others.
Although I like vim for programming and config file editing, I is not the perfect solution for me for note-taking. I like more markup and a GUI with some functionality. The perfect solution for me is Tomboy[0]. It is included in many Linux distributions and there is an installer for Mac OS and Windows. I love the SSH synchronization mechanism that keeps my notes secure on a virtual hosted server and up to date across my computers.

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I guessed that in "interact" he included "inspect and make sure you don't need to touch it".
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It seems that Google will log you in across all of their services if you log into one. So to use separate names, you would have to be logging in and out whenever you switch services.
I disagree. In a healthy startup, everyone wants to push towards the same goal and they welcome clarity and cohesion. We could've called them 'Buttercups'. The term doesn't matter - it's just an agreement of what the shared goal is.
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Which just shows how few people up-vote articles. Getting front page of HN easily gets you 5-10k pageviews if not more, yet your average top story has 100 votes. Most people consume without contributing in any way.
May I ask what the (estimated if needed) average age of your registered users is?
Stuff like this has turned up a few times, but I feel like they never become reality.

I signed up, and I hope this one becomes real, but if it doesn't I am crossing my fingers that someone will do the legwork to make it actually happen.
The future is computers, and computers work through tagged languages and symbolic systems. Everybody needs to understand formal symbolic systems. Math is the best way that I know of to do this.

It used to be that to be a composer, first you learned the piano. The piano was thought to give one an appreciation of the nature and nuance of music. From there you could much more easily learn other instruments and then learn how to put them together into something beautiful.

Math is the new piano. Learn symbolic manipulation -- and I'd say that means first-year calculus -- and you can work with the kinds of symbolic systems you'll find everywhere else in the modern world.

I used to do some tutoring when I was a kid, and I think this level of understanding is achievable by 90% of the population given the right environment. The real question is "why are the structures and environments for education that we create so unable to accomplish this?"

Dumbing down the system isn't the answer. It's not like you can dumb down the world to make up for your inability to prepare students for it.
I had to google "FOIL mnemonic" to learn what it is. My reaction would be "why in ???? would you teach your pupils such a trick, given that it breaks down when generalizing to e.g. (x+3y+z)(2x+5y+z)? (anybody who could say "that's just ((x+3y)+z)((2x+5y)+z), so I'll just apply it multiple times would be able the much more general "just add all pairs (something from the left, something from the right; there ar #items on the left times #items on the right such pairs"

Do they really teach that somewhere?
NBC has to recover (and profit on) its $1.1 billion investment. Fault resides more with the IOC (or whoever auctioned these rights) for not requiring live streaming. I presume they assumed this would lower the value of the bids.
We've also gone thousands of years without electricity! So should people turn off their computers and phones and throw them out of the window?
So instead of fixing fork to be faster Mike just reduced the number of forks? Kidding, kidding...
"I don't think upvoting-on-agreement problem can be fixed technically."

I think there is a technical fix: two orthogonal upvotes. One upvote/downvote pair for agreement, another for whether the post/comment added value. It's a pretty simple fix and I think it would work, but it could have other unwanted side-effects.
In the past I used Soywiki, which, like Vimwiki, is a wiki inside Vim. While I love Vim, it was too inefficient to have to ssh into a box, cd into ~/wiki, and launch Vim just to read or edit an entry -- especially on my phone.

The solution I've found is called Gitit, which stores entries as plaintext in Git like Vimwiki and Soywiki, but adds several additional features on top of that:

- powered by Pandoc, which means you can write entries in Markdown/LaTeX/reStructuredText/Literate Haskell, and export them in almost any format, including PDF, HTML, LaTeX, Markdown, ePub, and ODT.

- a customizable web interface. I used Bootstrap to make the wiki look great everywhere. Couple that with the speech-to-text features in Android 4.0+ and storing your knowledge becomes effortless anywhere.

- a Haskell plugin system. You can write plugins with access to the Pandoc AST, allowing you to do things like archive all outbound URLs or enable [Interwiki](!Wikipedia) links.
If one spends zero time thinking about the issue. I'd rather live in a society where people did so and held the bit of knowledge you just related in some esteem. The US is not like that anymore.
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What a sensible viewpoint!

So tell me, are you the one who will fund the protesters in their construction project? Or provide the engineers and scientists? Would you be willing to pay a tax that funds such groups? Who would be responsible for deciding which groups ought to receive that funding?

It's called protesting because it is complaining. If it were feasible to simply "build [the] world's largest solar plant," then perhaps we'd see that.
It would be interesting to understand how "school mathematics" displaced "actual mathematics" in our educational system.

I suspect that part of explanation has to do with computers. The word "computer" was originally a job title (see, for example the Harvard Computers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Computers). It changed meaning in the middle of the twentieth century when mechanical (and later electronic) computers displaced human computers.

It seems like much of "school mathematics" is vocational training to work as a computer. Unfortunately, we don't employ people to do computation anymore because the cheapest and worst computer you can but will be thousands of times more productive at computation than a human being.

If our mathematics curriculum was designed to train people to be computers, and that profession no longer exists, it's no wonder that school mathematics seems pointless and disjointed.
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I disagree: "The capatchas were not only difficult for a computer to read, but impossible for a human." He goes on to quote that computers can guess capatchas at 10%. My point is that if you understand capatchas, you can get them right almost all of the time. (Not talking about the audio ones here, since the visual ones seemed to be the focus of the article.)
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