skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
While all of this is true, that DeepSeek wouldn't be here were it not for the research that preceded it notably Google's paper, then Llama, and ChatGPT which they're modeled after, its release still did something profound to their psyche, the motivation and self-actualization this instills to the Chinese. They witnessed the power of their accomplishments: a side-hustle project knocked off an easy trillion. This is only egging them on and will serve to ramp up their efforts even more.

Separately, I do think that now that the Chinese leadership saw this, that they have the chops to pull this off and then some, they are probably going to rein in future innovations; they'll likely demand that the big future discoveries remain closed-sourced (or even unannounced/unpublicized).
State of Tech Hiring '25
It is on the ingredient list when present. I’ve seen it on many body soaps and shampoos. It could be listed as DEA, or as one of the many other items listed in an earlier comment in this chain
I've always assumed that there would be at least some modifications required on the phone firmware side.

5G (at least the non-NTN ,non-IoT variants) is just too chatty to support cell sizes that big, is my suspicion. If you can get the phones to go into a special "texting only" mode (whether that's over IP using IMS, which also seems somewhat chatty, or something lower level and more efficient), that would probably help a lot, and I assume this is what Apple is doing in this firmware update.
Similar problem with third-party-cookies. They would make some auth cases easier and safer, but we shouldn't generally allow them because they are abused for tracking.

Here I would agree with you though.
It’s definitely not all hype, it really is a breakthrough for open source reasoning models. I don’t mean to diminish their contribution, especially since being able to read the reasoning output is a very interesting new modality (for lack of a better word) for me as a developer.

It’s just not as impressive as people make it out to be. It might be better than o1 on Python or Javascript thats all over the training data, but o1 is overwhelmingly better at anything outside the happy path.
tech talent in the US is not languishing
I don't disagree that price discovery is harder, but I can with more certainty give an honest valuation of CLF or DOW vs OpenAI's "who knows what money will look like after we succeed, you should view your investment as a donation" nonsense. Speculation is inevitable when forward looking, but there is a difference between error bars and various projections vs unicorns.

Due diligence never goes out of style.
> You don't need a moat when you're in first place

There are different moats [1]. You’re describing incumbency, an intangible moat. It’s nice, but it’s fickle. Particularly with something with low switching costs.

OpenAI could argue, before, that it had a natural monopoly. More people use OpenAI so it gets more revenue and more data which lets it raise more capital to train these expensive models. That may not be true, which means it only has that first, shallow moat. It’s Nike. Not Google.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_moat
Terry Davis adored physicsgirl. He would have been sad that she was sick, and happy she got better.
That order does not "make using anything with more than 10 billion parameters illegal and punishable by government force if done without authorization".

It orders the Secretary of Commerce to "solicit input from the private sector, academia, civil society, and other stakeholders through a public consultation process on potential risks, benefits, other implications, and appropriate policy and regulatory approaches related to dual-use foundation models for which the model weights are widely available".
Postmodernism says there is no truth, only power and discussion airsuperiority derived from that. Thus alpha is a thing, reality be dammed .
OpenAI should be excited that it has been freed of the tedious tasks of building AI and now they can focus on higher level and more creative things.
Benevolent dictatorships are a lot more efficient.
clarionbell wrote:

> He likes feeling important, just look at TikTok. All it took was bit of sycophancy and he turned into Mr. Freemarket again.

Not really. He said that TikTok has to have shift towards US ownership if it wants to continue, he just gave them a 90 day extension to allow that change in ownership.
Maybe we can have modern medicine AND no social media.
> I don't think many tools today are designed with discovery coding in mind. Things like live programming in a running system (see how (most) Clojurists or SmallTalkers work) are incredibly valuable for a discovery programmer. Systems that let you visualize on the fly, instrument parts of the system, etc., make it much easier and faster to discover things. This is the sense of dynamic (unrelated to typing) that I feel we often lose sight of.

Python's REPL achieves this nicely, but also in C# in Visual Studio, the Immediate Window, lets you type out code when you debug and have a breakpoint set. I almost always copy an If statement's expression there, and pase it, and get back either "true" or "false" which usually tells me insanely quickly if my assumption is spot on or not.

I like that Blazor has Hot Code Reloading, though it is definitely finicky.
When I use NVIDIA GPUs to train a model, I do not consider the R&D cost to develop all of those GPUs as part of my costs.

When I use an API to generate some data, I do not consider the R&D cost to develop the API as part of my costs.
> But that would mean a 27x lower valuation.

No.

Valuations are based on future profits. Not future revenues.

You can theoretically lower your costs by 27x and end up with 2x more future profits - if you're actually 45x cheaper (which DeepSeek's method claims to be).
Again you're coming at this with such intense anti-male rhetoric - take a step back and look at the problems beyond your own.

Yes I completely agree women DO need to be more careful as they are far more vulnerable and men far more likely to take advantage.

HOWEVER, playing off bad experiences for men as "a bad couple of hours" is just disingenuous. Women can absolutely ruin a mans life and reputation in those "couple of hours" - even worse if they get married and she decides to take him to the cleaners.

Look, I'm not coming at this as some anti-women basher - I see a societal issue that is hurting our men, women, and future. If we want to actually solve that problem the way forward is not increasing the hatred towards men and isolationism of women. We need to come together and not push each other further apart.
> Kill me if I ever write "Regards" non-irnoically.

One time, I couldn't remember the name of the album I wanted SIRI to play, so it kept picking the wrong one. After the fifth or so time, I told Siri, "you're killing me Siri" and it called 911.

The future sucks.
Force them to open source it!
The widely cited studies on mouse vs. keyboard efficiency are completely bogus
> that would mean a 27x lower valuation

Not directly. The 27x is about costs. What it means is some order of magnitude of more competition. That reduces natural market share, price leverage and thus future profits.
Related:

Elon Musk, Video Game King? Well, Maybe Not

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42830044
The PWR (and related BWR) are bad at weapons plutonium production for two reasons: (1) there aren't a lot of excess neutrons to transform U238 -> Pu239, graphite reactors can be tuned up to make about twice as much Pu. (2) Either kind of LWR runs under pressure and it would be a big deal to shut the reactor down, bleed the pressure, and change the fuel; most other reactor types can be refueled online. The longer Pu239 stays in the reactor, the more of it adsorbs another neutron and becomes Pu240 which is bad for nuclear weapons because it creates a neutron background that causes predetonation.

Graphite reactors have a history for power production: see [1] and [2]. They might even have a future [3] but the German experience makes me think the prismatic type core makes more sense [4]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_gas-cooled_reactor

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK

[3] https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Chinese-HTR-PM-D...

[4] https://inis.iaea.org/records/81760-q0060
Fine of five hundred dollars and a personal donation to a re-election campaign required.
So how much are you willing to pay this “top 5” percent of developers who are willing to be in the office in Miami and write PHP code?

If the “Director of Technology” is only making $175K, I can’t imagine Joe little you are paying for software developers

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Finance-Lobby/salaries

I see the 90th percentile of the “software engineer V’s” in Miami are getting paid $206K. Are you going to pay that amount.

https://www.salary.com/tools/salary-calculator/software-engi...
Hahaha I can't stop laughing... i dont know the validity of the claim, but immediately i thought of the British Museum complaining about theft.
> I know that we like to circle jerk about "written in blood" around here but your take is asinine.

Aviation regulations are indeed written in blood. I can recommend https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/ if you're into reading, or https://www.youtube.com/@MentourPilot if you're into watching for some education of how bad things used to be. Airplane crashes were an almost weekly occurrence, sometimes barely making it into national news. Enormous advances have happened in technology, redundancy, training, maintenance to make aviation absurdly safe. In the US, you have a higher chance of injury/death while driving to the airport than flying (if anything that's an indictment on American roads, terrible cars and bad drivers, but that's a whole other topic).

> We don't regulate freight barges and personal watercraft the same way we regulate cruise ships and ferries. There's a pretty clear demarcation line between commercial passenger service and noncommercial non-passenger in every industry,

> Why is aviation not similar? Oh, that's right, because decades ago the FAA and Congress brought the entire industry (with a tiny carve-out for experimental) under the same regulatory scheme and damn near killed the GA industry.

If you think GA is under the same regulatory regime as civilian airliners, you're misinformed. It's drastically easier, with much less redundancy or safety requirements. None of the current GA planes would be accepted in commercial airline service for a variety of reasons. For a quick example, TCAS (a system that will warn you if you're going to crash into another plane) isn't mandatory for planes with less than 30 seats or with takeoff weight less than 33,000lbs.

And as for why there are still regulations for GA, it's quite easy - those planes fly in the same airspace, and them falling down on population centres or crashing into other planes can kill people just as much as a civilian airliner. You really really have to try to kill someone if your Zodiac fails.

> Furthermore, the whole Boeing fiasco is a great illustration of how futile the approach that you people peddle is. Boeing and their army of lawyers and carousel of lobbyists get to skirt or play right up to the letter of the the regulation while the little guy has to bend over and take it full force. So what even is the point of having the same set of rules if the big guys are the ones subject to less rules in practice?

Boeing aren't subjected to less rules. They're lucky to be in a country that doesn't care that much for rules because they're the national champion and must be protected. But the rules still are being enforced for them - they're at a very low production cap because they shat the bed so badly so many times.
> There are different moats [1]. You’re describing incumbency, an intangible moat. It’s nice, but it’s fickle. Particularly with something with low switching costs.

Google has a low switching cost, and hardly anyone switches.

ChatGPT is quite similar to Google in this way.
While I'm not necessarily against GDPR and regulations, is undeniable that the regulatory landscape in Europe has been preventing innovation.

In fact it's tech market is predominantly dominated by US tech companies (and probably soon Chinese ones as well)
What are the chances of old-school espionage? OpenAI should look for a list of former employees who now live in China. Somebody might've slipped out with a few hard drives.
"easy to reinvent" often comes after "hard to invent"
Laws every engineering manager should know to build software
When I rewrite how the law works there should be a ludicrous hypocrisy defence… if the person suing you has committed the same offence the case should not be admissible.
Yes, they are different actions.

But arguably these actions share enough characteristics that it’s reasonable to place them in the same category. Something like: “products that exist largely/solely because of the work of other people”. The nonconsensual nature of this and the lack of compensation is what people understandably take issue with.

There is enough similarity that it evokes specific feelings about OpenAI when they suddenly find themselves on the other side of the situation.
Trump supporters
That means absolutely nothing, unfortunately. I usually see that icon when I'm on the Subway, and I'd be deeply impressed if Globalstar could actually transmit through a few meters of water and a couple more of rock.

The only thing this icon does seem to respect is general geolocation (i.e. I haven't seen it in unsupported countries). You'll only know if you have satellite connectivity if you actually try using it.
amd has revealed itself to be surprisingly poorly run.

aren’t APIs no longer copyrightable? they should just have reimplemented cuda with their backend
While I agree with this article, I think the selection solely of vogue model shots and Paris Hilton’s waist from the early aughts is in poor taste. The beauty aesthetic of the time tended rather extremely towards anorexic, and the selection of images in this piece might as well say, “Remember when THIN was IN?”, which I think detracts from its overall message. It’s also a bit of a weird choice, because similar shots from today are often of equally beautiful, equally thin models and are just as sexy: that portion of media at least does not seem to have changed much. In addition, if making a more general point about standards of beauty, perhaps it would have been nice to include a photo of Brad Pitt or something? Is the implicit assumption here that only women can be sexy, or that only heterosexual men will be reading the article?

Like, there are literally people I’d share this article with (e.g. my wife) if not for the really poor selection of photos.
OpenAI wouldn't be here without the work that Yann Lecun did at Facebook (back when it was facebook). Science is built on top of science, that's just how things work.
Intramuscular vaccinations do not significantly prevent infection of the upper respiratory immune compartment (mucosal IgA antibodies, not humoral covered by IgG). The efficiency against infection by sars-cov-2 is about 20%. That means 80% get infected.

Now, the intramuscular injection vaccines do provide tissue resident B (+IgG antibodies) and T cells in the body serum (humoral, not mucosal) immune compartment and this has been proven to prevent serious (hospitalization) by covid-19 with decent (>50%) efficiency. These IgG antibodies do not seep into the upper respiratory (mucosal compartment) and provide protection there though; only the lower lungs.

But infection? The only good mitigation, lacking a proper intranasal vaccine like India has, is wearing a well fit and sealed mask like an N95 with good practices.
Other search engines don't have a gigantic advertising budget or a dominant browser pounding on users' heads to use them.
the money must be happened, otherwise shit will happen

it's like we are spending 500bn for x ai needs, but suddenly, the cost fell to 1/20, now we must convince everybody there'll be x20 needs, so that the 500bn will not go missing

that is what Satya Nadella and Sam Altman are trying to achieve

the real problem:

1. will there be 20x needs for ai?
2. how much ai needs are priced now? x? 5x? or, 20x?
In this case practically all german retailers are affected.
If the government cannot give you a definitive opinion whether you are breaking the law, the government has no mandate to rule.

Rule of law means having clear guidance on what is or isn't illegal. Vague guidance that everyone in the industry "might" be breaking the law isn't responsible, it's setting up a mechanism to trade favors and selectively prosecute enemies to reward friends.

Be better, guys. This isn't the right take.
At the risk of being called rms, no, that's not what open source means. Open source just means you have access to the source code. Which you do. Code that is open source but restrictively licensed is still open source.

That's why terms like "libre" were born to describe certain kinds of software. And that's what you're describing.

This is a debate that started, like, twenty years ago or something when we started getting big code projects that were open source but encumbered by patents so that they couldn't be redistributed, but could still be read and modified for internal use.
Is this a local run of one of the smaller models and/or other-models-distilled-with-r1, or are you using their Chat interface?

I've also compared o1 and (online-hosted) r1 on Qt/C++ code, being a KDE Plasma dev, and my impression so far was that the output is roughly on par. I've given both models some tricky tasks about dark corners of the meta-object system in crafting classes etc. and they came up with generally the same sort of suggestions and implementations.

I do appreciate that "asking about gotchas with few definitive solutions, even if they require some perspective" and "rote day-to-day coding ops" are very different benchmarks due to how things are represented in the training data corpus, though.
I know. I don’t care if the BBC needs to be fed. That’s the responsibility of people that do.
The xcancel instance works for me https://xcancel.com/carrigmat/status/1884244369907278106
A story is just a sequence of events, it does not necessarily have to be fictional (i.e. inauthentic).
I'm genuinely not sure which one you think is worse (if any). (1) seems worse, but your reply suggests to me maybe you think (2) is worse.
The AI companies were happy to take whatever they want and put the onus of proving they were breaking the law onto publishers by challenging them to take things to court.

Don't get mad about possible data theft, prove it in court.
Companies compete against each other - not themselves. It’s not like OpenAI set an internal goal of training 30x bigger and that’s it. No, OpenAI needs to compete.

If training efficiency is 30x more, then Anthropic, Google, OpenAI, Mistral, Qwen, etc all get the benefit. It resets the baseline. They will not stop competing against each other just because there is a 30x efficiency improvement that everyone has access to.
So it is fine for OpenAI to train on data from artists and other creators who don't want their works used that way and are also hurt by AI making copycat works.... But it is bad when another AI company does the same.

This is the weakest argument ever and frankly they should be embarrassed even typing it out.
There are one page regex cheat sheets you can print out and put in your workspace. Then you simply consult the cheat sheets.

Unfortunately oauth cannot be compressed into a cheat sheet.

But yeah, oauth is absolutely something you forget right after using it and have to bootstrap every time you touch it.
Nah, those costs were for their doomsday bunkers and crypto purchases, and maybe a house or 3
"Can't" or "don't want to"?

OpenAI is talking about spending half a trillion US dollars, they have the money to license data.

In music, there is compulsory licensing and companies that use recorded music are able to make the economics work.

It needs to be repeated that these are not simply "tokens", they are the product of millions of individual people that are being appropriated for the financial gain of a very few other people.
Thanks, I appreciate that. And by the way, I had the same thought as you. I’ve been doing monthly 5-day fasts just to see what would happen. So far not much to report, but I’ll wait until 6 months have passed to draw conclusions.
Cut things that contain diethanolamine from your home/diet/life?
I hate clickbait articles that try to make the bad guys seem like they're angry.

> Both Bloomberg and the Financial Times are reporting that Microsoft and OpenAI have been probing whether DeepSeek improperly trained the R1 model

The company openai is not angry, or furious, or enraged. They simply suspect that deepseek broke their usage agreement and are trying to verify that.
Does OpenAI's API attempt to detect this sort of thing? Could they start outputting bad information if they suspect a distillation attempt is underway?
These belong in monthly Who's Hiring threads.

https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=whoishiring
I think so many choices are driven by emotions and so many of us are unaware of how we feel and therefore often blinded to the decision-making process.

Yes it's a choice to pick up the phone, and yet if someone is feeling an emotion and wants to escape that emotion, the phone offers a variety of other emotions they can access. I'd say quite addictive, unless people let themselves feel the feeling.
Peek users is not the amount of users they had when Facebook started.

Facebook probably would've never became a thing if MySpace already had ~115M users when it started.

MySpace had ~1M.

That's why DeepSeek (or anyone else) is going to have an incredibly difficult time convincing ~1B to switch from ChatGPT to their tool instead.

Can it happen? For sure.

Will it happen? Less likely.

If anyone unseats ChatGPT - it's much more likely to be a usual suspect like Google, Apple, or Microsoft - then some obscure company no one has ever heard of.

Of course, anything is possible.
> The time used ranges from 15,000 to 36,000 hours except for two 4TB HDDs, which were both used for about 50,000 hours

20000 hours is more than 24 months. 50000 is five and half years.

Someone is probably selling drives that are being retired from datacenters.
love "fondle slabs". I've been going with "slave phones"
You're right, (1) is violating the rights of a large portion of the population, (2) is violating the rights of one company
The resistance developers have to LLMs considering how much they're 10xing myself and many other devs I know is just sad to see. Anytime new disruptive technology comes in there's always an old guard that doesn't adapt in time.
I'm typing this on a 3a XL that just refuses to die. Google's valuation of that device in the Store is the same, but they haven't switched it off. Guess I got lucky.
I personally love this chef's kiss of a flip flop sam did here:

https://blog.samaltman.com/trump

https://www.reddit.com/r/YAPms/comments/1i7ry5m/sam_altman_g...

Only a truly talented piece of shit can be as prolific as this.

"He is irresponsible in the way dictators are."

Chef's kiss.

Edit:

Kids, don't aspire to be like Altman. We as a community need to espouse more values than tech is gonna tech.
> Google has a low switching cost, and hardly anyone switches

Google has massive network effects on its ad business and a natural monopoly on its search index. Crawling the web is expensive. It’s why Kagi has to pay Google (versus being able to pay them once and then stop).
You may be right. But if I surveyed any college campus today, I would expect indignation at the way we behaved in Vietnam and Iraq amongst 90%+ of those surveyed. A moral objection exists (perhaps not amongst the leadership of days of yore, but certainly in the younger generation). I would argue that moral objection is driving that discomfort in those familiar with this particular conflict
Or a refresh token (which might be one of those two you mentioned)