skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> If everyone gets their information 100% filtered through a black box llm, the open web becomes something like the CLI. Foreign, confusing, and not well understood by the general public

What? People understand the CLI. Many just don't prefer to use computers that way when alternatives like graphical user interfaces exist. If anything it will be like GUIs to CLIs, depending on where the UX settles.

There are people imagining interactive generative search with generative interfaces, etc.

In my cynical opinion, Operator is probably a push in the direction of getting reinforcement learning out of current user interfaces. It is all about getting developers and other users to dig their way out of employment for temporary gains.
Are you arguing that communities should be allowed to moderate behaviors that that community finds objectionable?
The Drunken Plagiarists: working with copilots
Not sure why AI agents wouldn't also be connected to an ad platform eventually. Google does this currently.

While the author says that they are bypassing Google, that's not most people, and Google's results are front-loaded with AI answers, so Google results are already giving you specific answers, hallucinations and all. Not sure why average users would long-term switch to not-Google if Google can give them the amount of AI assistance that want or don't want.
Why book a vacation when SORA can make a video of you and your family frolicking in the summery tropics that you post to your followers? They don't know you so they won't think your lying, those people used to be called friends.
Look at existing companies in that space, eg https://antimetal.com/, for inspiration and to see if what you are doing already exists.
I would totally delegate an AI to find and purchase my flight tickets. Just let me see the final confirmation and you're good to go.

Cursor already reads my private keys and writes code that goes straight to prod. I've stopped validating GPT 4o output for data analysis. Sure, things go wrong from time to time, but the convenience is unmatched.
Origin of the Word "Crap"
> For informational content, like Wikipedia, TripAdvisor, Yelp, recipe websites... perhaps this will end up looking something like the journalism industry that aggregate and publish the information to AI companies, so they can avoid freeloading by agents.

Why publish it to AI companies? The Internet is ripe for mass syndication of textual content and putting it behind subscriptions, just as YouTube has done with video content. Syndication was the distribution and business model for this content before the WWW, the advantage we can get now is no barrier to entry and no distribution costs. (Hosting costs are so low to not even count for text).

At the same time we also get rid of the ad-ridden, scam-infest, bot-crawling Internet of the current day.

Said I, on an open forum where nobody pays a dime...
I wonder if the ads affect the bots.

How does anyone figure out if something is worthwhile, if they haven't used it? They have heuristics, one of which is comfort and familiarity. That's why advertising exists: to get a brand in front of your face, so you recognize it.

Maybe the bots end up with a similar heuristic as they crawl their sources. Perhaps the advertisers will be perfectly happy to pay, not for human eyeballs but for the crawlers.

This is, of course, absurd. But since I find the capabilities of the bots opaque, why not absurdity.
I'm only talking about the 'shutting it down' aspect. It may very well be objectionable to a group of people. Almost any speech is 'objectionable' to some group of people.
Won’t someone shed a tear for the poor advertisers?
There are a few services that will test water samples.

https://mytapscore.com/blogs/tips-for-taps/best-way-to-test-...

https://www.relentlesshealth.com
I still don't get your point. When buying a product with a lot of competition, how is Operator different than a price comparison or review site?

I can see it driving purchasing decisions, but I can't see it killing off the actual shop sites? Because the shop is getting a _comission_ on the sale.

I'm getting an ever growing vibe off HN that for a website where a ton of people work on tech, or even in e-commerce serving content to people, they seem to have an awful understanding of consumer behavior.
It's hilarious but sad to watch Americans learn things that agencies abroad already know. The other example of this I saw today was that in NYC the congestion pricing has "surprisingly" slashed the number of car crashes and injuries in Manhattan. Like, duh.
I don't understand the the configuration argument against neovim! In my opinion there are a few good choices:

- none or very minimal config

- install lazyvim or other tool

Then you're done! The option is still there if you really like tweaking things, but I really enjoy the out of the box experience with lazyvim.
"continuing to work on an already-shipped project is a very common mistake. Declare victory and walk away!" Maybe that's why we swim in the sea of barely done apps with terrible performance. It's time to demand quality of the app vendors. Uninstall facebook until it starts in 2s and works flawlessly. Use ublock until the ads stop slowing down a site. Uninstall any messaging app that cannot show you paginated history of messages, that is easy to search and to go back to given moment. Refuse to play single player games that require constant connection to vendor server. Maybe then these managers will learn that shipping A product is not an end. Shipping POLISHED product is.
Boom! Headshot! Boom! Headshot! BOOM! HEAD-SHOT!
> Do you actually though? A lot of people say they would rather get an honest answer but don't react very well in reality.

For me? Yes, in almost all cases, especially if we're talking about either getting no feedback vs. honest feedback. There's been a number of times where someone said X, I thought about it and either changed or at least internally made a note.

I will say it really depends on the context and situation. For example, if it involves someone you care about then sure an honest 5 minute conversation can help eliminate a lot of assumptions from both sides or uncover unknown tensions from the other side. On the flip side, if nothing gets said then nothing will change.

Being honest and transparent doesn't always mean literally saying what's on your mind too. It could be trying to achieve an outcome, such as with a code review. There's lots of ways to provide feedback in a way where you can get the other person to self-realize something without you needing to say it just by asking questions a certain way. This isn't an easy skill and it's something I'm always trying to improve. It applies outside of coding too.
People even let the cars drive on their own and they take their hands off the wheel. Letting an AI do a purchase is far less risky. People are fine with things like this as long as it appears to work reliably enough.
> Something else I think could happen as a result of this is a web where we verify user/client identities, the same way we currently verify server identities (via TLS certificates). The cost of running bots is plummeting. I could forsee a world where sites like Tripadvisor require a client certificate to connect. That certificate could be provided by paid services (to prevent bot spam), or maybe by device manufacturers like Apple, so you get one certificate per device to prevent bot spam.

Have client certificates worked in any niche? We now have SSO by Google/Apple/Facebook/X, but those identities are also used by bots.
The pronunciation of 'Kia' itself varies depending on what region, and I don't live in the deep south, but I'm sticking with 'КИЯ' anyway, because it looks more Cyrillic.
My 2c: don’t do it as a ‘software company’, do it as a ‘service company’. You would be selling an outcome to your clients, your script would merely be an ‘internal only’ tool used by you to deliver an outcome to clients.

GTM would be a combination of cold outbound and content marketing. Start with your personal network, do warm outreach, and try to reach one/two degrees of separation to get potential starter clients. Give 2 to 5 starter clients a discount(or for free) in exchange for testimonials(social proof). Once you’ve completed delivery to your starter clients, leverage the testimonials for cold outbound and content marketing.
This is probably going to really bug people, but it seems foolish to use chatgpt as your search engine. You really have to have a more critical eye than say looking at wikipedia or a search result from a reputable website.

I was telling both my son and my father about how chatgpt is not a search engine, and they started testing things and .... well the obvious happened, they easily found mistakes. And they stopped using it so much. They had no idea it wasn't kind of a search engine.

I can ask it questions and get amazing answers, I see the use of it. But it's not a search engine replacement, you have to double check things with search engines. A search engine might return a result with a bogus webpage of course.

People don't know that it's not a search engine! It's much more, but it's also a bit less ;-)
The person posting an AI header likely isn't getting the reflexive gastric discomfort that anyone feels looking at one that doesn't happen with stock photos. They just can't even tell, and there's no path for them in that kind of antagonizing responses to lead them to the realization that others readily can and aren't liking it.
It does help to have a sense of humor :)
Which will have basically no impact on anything important but everyone here is screaming like the sky is falling
Un-wire it and hide a second actual thermostat, then they can change it all they like since they'll never be content anyway
What other speech? There is literally no limit to what you can say if it's negative towards white men, the church, Trump, etc. Not that I'm defending those specific things. I just notice the hypocrisy.
They're not bad considering cost of living and QoL.
There are a few reasons why Wi-Fi is not my first choice:

* I don't trust any company to use my Wi-Fi and not attempt to access the broader internet. A Zigbee or Z-Wave device isn't going to be able to stealthily update itself in anti-user ways, nor is it going to be hijacked into serving as part of a Bitcoin botnet.

* There are way too many devices, which can cause issues if they're all using Wi-Fi at the same time. Smart homes take a router that would normally be dealing with 2-4 phones and 2-4 laptops and add N bulbs, M switches, P contact sensors, Q motion sensors, and assorted random sensors. Not a chance am I hooking that much up to my Wi-Fi.

Z-Wave LR has worked very well for me—no mesh to worry about, just a controller and devices. The only downside is that it's not as broadly supported as zigbee or Wi-Fi.
He's literally the despot that Benjiman Franklin warned the US about:

“I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such: because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no Form of Government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well-administred; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administred for a Course of Years and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it...”
Someone very close to me had their study section next week cancelled with no further comms. They are already fucking up grants. Please everyone, educate yourselves on this; the sky actually is falling this time.
> For informational content, like Wikipedia, TripAdvisor, Yelp, recipe websites... perhaps this will end up looking something like the journalism industry that aggregate and publish the information to AI companies, so they can avoid freeloading by agents.

I'm pretty sure Wikipedia will not do any of those things, as it's a project ran by volunteers, and they do want to disseminate their content as widely as possible. The revenue from the "please donate" feature is only used for website development and to pay the servers.

For the other websites, yeah, those might change and lock things down, require accounts to browse, etc, to prevent being scraped. Already now when I look for house listings or onto linkedin, I see all sorts of bot warnings. Twitter is also authwalled, simply because they don't want people to train on it for free.
Since the operator uses user's computer via screenshots and keyboard/mouse, it's not easy to block by IP, browser fingerprinting, or convoluted page markup. The initial implementation probably has some detectable traits in its mouse and keyboard use, but a company that could train pretty convincing text and voice models can easily train a model to move mouse naturally enough. Simple screenshots can be messed with via flicker (using persistence of vision), but that's fixable too.

This cat and mouse game can end up ugly.

My pessimistic prediction is that Google et al. will extend their DRM from video to entire Web pages, and sell it as a service that blocks "unauthorized" screenshots and soft mouse, along with a cryptographically-strong way to detect the closed-source Chrome. It won't be accessible, but conveniently Republicans have added accessibility to their list of woke things to destroy. Sites will submit to this and advertise it as "use Chrome to skip those horrible CAPTCHAs!"
I only ask LLMs if I want to get a quick fact that isn't that important. For actual reading and knowing the information bit I still defer to Wikipedia.
Long live the WWW (World Weird Web)
It's en-enshittification.
And once OpenAI gains the lead in AI development and starts rent seeking, it's going to be

enenenshittification.
> No one. And I mean NO ONE is going to delegate anything like travel or purchasing items to an AI.

That's a bold statement. There are people that get in the backseat or passenger seat while their FSD is driving. There are plenty of other examples of how humans do things because they are reckless or ignorant or any other adjective you want to use
Wormholes!
The electric Caltrain is so wonderful. It’s way quieter, the cars have nicer interiors, and it is running faster and more frequently than before.

Between this, the new BART cars (also much quieter!), and Muni hitting a reliability & satisfaction records, there’s really a transit renaissance going on in the Bay Area. I really hope we can keep this going!
How much longer will OpenAI/Anthropic/Google be able to offer usable free tiers of their agents? Because imo this "death of the open web" is predicated on that.

Furthermore, Im skeptical we'll have the generous free tiers we have today for much longer. OAI and friends can only afford to burn millions on GPU cycles for non-paying customers for so long, and so long as we can continue to do web search for free I dont really see agents being a threat.
I don't know. As even the likes of Stephen Fry point out, you can talk about the deficiencies of AI (or the cost), but just months from now things will have dramatically changed and your comments will be obsolete.

To me it makes more sense to talk about what may well be coming than to, I don't know, wait to be run over by it.
This is what was often said about Wikipedia. Don't use it as main source of information, but using it as a starting point is fine (if it's just to get a list of sources it quotes).
> Now you benefit from both, like being able to make the lights fade off/on.

Dimmable smart switch plus dimmable standard bulbs accomplish this. No color (though Phillips has a line that tints red when dimmed.)
They are array encoded, but you still will be jumping all over the array to do your operations. Putting multiple “nodes” at the same location will mean fewer jumps, and hence fewer cache misses.
And then when you find out they didn't give you the best deal, you got the sponsored pick? And you didn't even get to comparison shop? The AI tax is coming for your choices, one purchase at a time.
I'm currently building a local LLM (multiple threads - one for each sensor suite) sensor array for more proactive needs. I don't want it else conditions, and I don't want to turn lights on when I do x or y. The sensors are cheap and plenty on AliExpress and all it takes is an esp32-s3 or similar.

A smart home should predict my needs dynamically rather than do stuff based on predefined conditions and is more than just "turn living room red."
Given an infinite multitude of parallel universes, perhaps one exists where TempleOS was in fact the sole and exclusive conduit to divinity and Terry was it's prophet. I hope that is the case.
You're moving the goalposts now. You brought up an anti-bot system. I explained to you that sites which implement an anti-bot system will negatively impact their sales BECAUSE TRANSACTIONS WILL MORE AND MORE COME IN VIA BOTS.

If your site doesn't support/allow agentic bots, it will be similar to not accepting Visa or Mastercard. Yes, cash-only business is a thing. But it's suicide to make that your only payment option for most retail businesses.
I see no difference here

If I just want to learn conceptual knowledge, having a conversation with ChatGPT isn't much different from doing a DFS through hyperlinks on Wikipedia. In fact, using ChatGPT can be more efficient.

If I want to critically understand the details, Wikipedia, aside from providing references, doesn’t offer much more help than ChatGPT. More importantly, just as LLMs can exhibit hallucinations, community content can also contain biases or even errors.

in the end, it still comes down to relying on oneself.
Robots could guide robot fans towards common physical experiences.
That's because "open source" is a bad name, since it only focuses on source code availability rather than three other essential freedoms. "Free/libre software" always made more sense, but "open source" got significantly more popular.
China did this two decades ago with physics research. It’s a great long term strategy.
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I feel this is positive news moving in a positive direction. Do you suggest not doing anything to improve the situation? We can’t go back in time. But we can help ourselves in the future.
Assuming the application used kernel file system calls, I don't see why not.
Sorry, cancer research is woke now. We can't have that. This is idiocy.
I dunno...

Many trains in London still don't do regenerative braking despite the technology to generate electricity from motion being around for... checks notes... 194 years!
Same here. I'm sympathetic to the argument that creators use the ads to survive, but I'm not a woman of unlimited patience.
First thought is: how complex is the actual implementation?

Second thought is: how are you determining how applicable these "misconfigurations" are to other companies? How do you not know this $100K in savings is due to idiosyncrasies at your company that doesn't extrapolate to others?
It would be interesting to see an implementation of this that doesn't require an android system at all (whether physical or virtualized), or even a live SIM card or mobile phone service.

Many VoIP SIP trunking providers will pass SMS info to an asterisk system these days (such as voip.ms and its competitors), and support outgoing SMS for replies.

All you need is a $0.85/month DID, a linux system running asterisk, and some small monthly amount of paid credit for the cost of the outgoing SMS.
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> We built this because we believe: Universal Access: AI assistants should be accessible from anywhere on my computer, not just in the browser or in specific apps.

I find this somewhat ironic, given that the software only supports Apple computers.
It would have been nice for OP to mention this fact upfront in the announcement, so as not to get non-Apple users' expectations up too soon.
Search engines also return websites with mistakes, sometimes even the stuff they quote directly in their search. But the good part is that they can put the blame onto the individual website if it's wrong. Similarly, you can also use the kind of website to figure out if it's a good source or not.

I don't like the LLM interface that it's all filtered to this super friendly, grammatically correct reply that might however make no actual sense logically, or be plain wrong. With websites I see tons of signals I can use to determine how much value I should put to some information, I can compare different websites, etc.

Also, it's super slow to return a response. Maybe I'm old, but for most of the tasks I use search engines for, I wouldn't use LLM's.
Haha. Doubtful. In your lifetime you won't see any transit system in the bay area that approaches anything remotely close to what you see in places like Tokyo or NYC.

I get that there's improvement but like it's still rather pathetic compared to almost everywhere else across the pond.
Why trust a robot that may or may not get your request right if you just go to the source and book it yourself? The experience booking anything with a travel agent was always horrible with so much back and forth, do we really want that?
> The "right" thing would be to just expose that API directly

100%. You absolutely get it, and also the implications, and also the outcome.

Humans will more and more rely on their AI assistants to take care of mundane things for them. If your site is difficult for an AI assistant to use (due to anti-bot behavior, or an overly complex flow that confuses LLMs, or whatever) your business will suffer. It's gonna be glorious if every retailer starts publishing a swagger API to facilitate automated transactions.
I believe this is misinterpreting the app usage trends. While the number of minutes on mobile is heavily skewed to apps (ex. 90%) the time is also spent in a very small number of apps (ex. Instagram or YouTube). It's not clear how that trend applies to something like GitHub or developer tooling in general.
Many people already have their credit card(s) stored on their phone and computer. I don't think they'll have any problem giving the details to a big company like OpenAI. But I wonder if OpenAI wants to do that, because when real money gets involved, a whole lot of responsibility to the customer for any purchase comes with it.
Except middle America, where the populace would find a reason to be distrustful of a straight up cure.
Mourning is human. New grief apps want to 'optimise' it for you
There were already more than five electro-mechanical computers built by the end of WWII. And several electronic ones, shortly after that. So the paraphrase is indeed nonsense.
I will never go back to ads on youtube. Not giving up ublock.
I feel this improvement is negligible. I doubt you'll see any meaningful change in your lifetime.

At best you'll see an electric car renaissance. But the infra for trains and public transit? Doubtful.
Is this like LM Studio?
>who is going to see the ads?

Ad companies could offer OpenAI lots of money to mention them, sidestepping the likes Google et al
And the companies that can afford to hire experienced humans keeps winning law-suits. Until the judiciary is automated.
Agreed largely, though IMO BART is holding the bay area back. Unlike Caltrain and Muni, BART management is completely incompetent and more focused on spending their money on random things than actually running their transit system.

Fun fact: BART police has a large fleet of SUVs, with the highest vehicle-to-officer ratio in the bay area (if only there were some other way for them to get around!)

Fun exercise: compare the cleanliness of a Muni Bus/LRV to a BART car (even a new one at the start of the day). There is a huge difference.
We have a Python application that we develop inside Docker on macOS using the `python:3.11-slim-bullseye` image that it would be great to generate scap files from for viewing with Stratoshark. I tried installing sysdig in that image but ran into kernel module errors when trying to run it. Should we expect that to work? Am I missing an easier method?