skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
That doesn't keep them off my dns blacklist though. Seems like whatever card tiktok played was good enough to get tomorrow's administration to change course.
My bad, its both actually. The law lists some criteria, unambiguously including TikTok and Bytedance by name, and then says the president can add more if they want, though this power has not been used yet.

It sucks so hard how the Dems keep expanding the powers of the Pres right before handing it to Trump
> aren't we really saying voters are not individual agents but rather a mob subject to manipulation by propaganda?

If you want to view it that way, sure. But I could also just say you and I are both sacks of blood filled flesh.

> Rather than tackle the narratives substantively,

Meta (et al) are just AS guilty as TikTok. The difference is substantial and subtle - the US government could conceivably sanction a US-based entity to the point of them not existing. A chinese based one doesnt have to play by the rules. Fine them? No problem, their gov has an immeasurable amount of money. The only option is to simply not let them play at all.
Instead of a book club, have a code typing club, DuoTypo

It would be funny to type it until it builds, and then type it until the tests pass.
Tell everybody else about it, because most Americans are simply unaware at how blatant the insider trading is and how it works.
Alright. Hundreds or thousands of Chinese trackers on every military base in the world. Perfect.
> It's not that polls are imperfect, it's that they're often entirely misleading and incorrect.

Can you point to the source of your argument? Furthermore -- can you point out how this particular poll is one of the misleading and incorrect ones?
“National security” is such a bs term for US govt to avoid transparency. It comes from the post 9/11 era of FISA courts, PATRIOT act to justify wide net domestic surveillance and wiretapping.

To me, the whole banning of TT is political theater aimed to divide the US while existing tech oligarchs consolidate power and money.

Just look at the message TT broadcasted. Blatant pandering of incoming administration.
It’s the obvious conclusion. My former boss left his job as head of litigation at a top Wall Street law firm to help the NY AG go after Trump. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/nyregion/trump-ny-fraud-i...

Trump did business in New York City for decades, and the Stormy Daniels payoff was the best prosecutors could come up with.
> https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/24/shadowbanning-...

Maybe you disagree with the viewpoint or message, but it seems awfully paternal for such wide spread censorship.

This is why we can't trust only the US to provide us our social media and even if we don't like who is offering it.
There are tall buildings near some baseball fields that can see onto the field, and some even have bleachers on the roof. There was no contract with MLB if you watch the game from there.
I often wonder what value a survey has if those surveyed have not enough information and facts at hand.
Can anyone recommend a convincing argument one what benefit there is to society of letting anyone accumulate/control a billion dollars? Is it kind of like the lottery where we need a few outrages winners to convince all the rubes to play?
Wage growth has exceeded inflation in the USA for the whole of 2024. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-i...

Real wages in all income brackets are at an all-time high (apart from a short blip during the pandemic), and overall have surged since the start of the pandemic. See e.g. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/employed-full-tim....
You realize it was a representative-democratic process chose to enact TikTok ban, so your statement is literally false on that dimension alone.
The advantage of democracy is that the propaganda game gets played every few years and current elites can lose. Under a system of freedom of speech, there is very little stopping a decently (but not massively) funded rag-tag group of competent individuals from running a more efficient propaganda campaign than the powers-that-be (think of Dominic Cummings' Leave campaign in the UK for the perfect example).

This is the best system we have found to establish the impermanence of the elite class. Because this is the real beauty of what we in the west call democracy: not the absence of an elite class, for there is no such system, but it's impermanence.

And while that is all well and good within a country, the argument is that it would be unwise to allow a foreign hostile power a seat at our propaganda game. Especially one which does not reciprocate this permission.
Yep, it basically amounts to agreeing 100% with the Chinese justification for their great firewall, which is that a free internet is subversive to their national interest and to their citizens. But Americans will argue that it's somewhat different, since when they do it it's not dystopian or something
I don't have a math background. Without a math background, you will have a bad time with Haskell.
> implicitly admitting that they don't trust their population to think critically

I think that is the case though. I will come off as arrogant and my lack of vocabulary might make it sound less elaborate, but a huge chunk of the population is not able or willing to so. This is why every time a country is facing a crysis, the populist politicians gain in popularity. People are already stressed out by their jobs, paying the bills, rising cost of living, so who wants to spend time and effort to research the causes of this, evaluate which proposed solution seems most realistic, what the tradeoffs are, compared to the dude who tells them that the problem is very simple and that he has the solution that is equally simple. It's the immigrants stealing the jobs, or the heat pumps forced upon them, or solar cells.

And it doesn't even need foreign social media to come to that.
Are you trying to argue that (many) democrats and republicans voters in the recent elections were not generally manipulated by their respective sides? I don't think this holds water.

Examples could be democrats control over Biden's health messaging or republicans repeating the message that the democrats are stealing the elections or democrat's messaging about if their side loses it's the end of democracy or republicans messaging about immigration, crime etc. Generally engaging at a shallow level with the goal of influencing people's emotions.

I don't think this is a 40-2000 years phenomena. It's certainly become a lot worse since Trump ran for president the first time. I remember turning on TV in my hotel room during a visit to the US maybe 8 years ago and switching between CNN and Fox, each of these channels were basically about endless bashing of the opposite side. I wouldn't call the content anything other than brainwashing and propaganda. CNN didn't use to be like that. With social media since every user gets their own view we don't even know what the "hidden hand" is pushing. It's much worse and a lot more dangerous.
See What Is Currently Popular on YouTube
Trump was banging the drum regarding banning TikTok, then changes his tune in the 11th hour, and will now use this to come out as the hero and savior. Not to mention how many republicans supported this.
I have noticed searching for topics that interest me, ends up showing more content related to that search term in my feed. At least for some time. Just putting it out there incase someone wants to manually tweak their timeline using the search workaround.
Why doesn’t nostr scale?
"The Democratic party is the party of octogenarians" does not imply "Mitch McConnell is not 83" lmao.
This isn't about free speech. Tiktok's statement actually provides all of the necessary context. China pays influencers. The tiktok ban is not about what you are allowed to say, but who is allowed to pay you to say it. This is a very different question.
No matter what happens now, china was the real winner here.
the AI part is the phone call with an AI assistant that assesses your wellbeing. not a necessity, a feature
By resorting to walled gardens that by definition have to provide a filtered experience via algorithms rather than raw experience of older internet forums and image boards, haven't many of these voters already made that choice of being wanting to be manipulated?
And in fact, currently 2.5% of the sp500 is meta. So if these guys just have 100% of their net worth in the sp500, they’d have more META than these two transactions.
He may also have just had an in house AI running his socials for the last few years. Surprising not much discussion around that as a possibility.
That’s my point. He was convicted of labeling a payment to a pornstar the wrong thing in the business records of his family owned company, to hide an affair. It was a nothing-burger compared to everything he’s been accused of.
That's good, we should also tell them about bad things done by other countries/civilizations. Because until then it's extremely weird how it only focuses on destabilizing and demoralizing countries internally
How viable is gogs right now? I see that there is some activity on the repo but I guess there's no reason to not use Gitea or Forgejo?
Agreed. I forgot to mention that I use one in my home server room. Being so thin, it fits nicely in a slide-out rack shelf.
The propaganda only exist in your head, as the dynamics of the European slave trade have bben widely studied. Read more material instead of resorting to straw man arguments about a field you don't know enough about.

The same way the Shoah wasn't the first time in history people were slaughtered en masse but was the first time it was done in such a systematic, organised and "scientific" way, the transatlantic trade has characteristics that make it unique in History and not just something you can "whatabout" by pointing at African, Arab and Antique slavery.

https://eji.org/report/transatlantic-slave-trade/origins/#ch...
<< They gain full control of TikTok.

Well, did they? So far it is not that clear.

<< They have a precedent now to ban apps from hostile power.

Is that a good thing? If so, why?

<< They gained even more respect from countries

Heh, you honestly may want to reconsider this statement. It is not respect, when China openly effectively says 'nah' to sale and shutters the app instead..

<< Chinese government took this takedown with a whimper

Huh? Dude... where did you see a whimper. Allow me to revisit events.

1. Congress passes a law effectively banning TikTok
2. TikTok sues over free speech and loses appeal with SCOTUS
3. Rather than selling, it shuts down the app
4. Users go everywhere, but ( apparently ) US apps
5. Incoming administration gives assurances it won't actually enforce anything for now

I accept there are ways of looking at things, but this is something else.
Easy: reach the future electorate when they’re pre-teens and feed them influences that eschew critical thinking as a core value.

If you can believe that lead pipes contributed to the collapse of the Roman Empire… well, let’s just say the Internet is a series of tubes.

The concerns about TikTok merely as a propaganda platform are naïve and almost quaint when considering what might actually be happening.
I think that’s a huge difference, yes. And about what apps my phone is able to download, and what servers it is able to access.

Another huge difference is broadcasting is about usage of a shared resource and has always had regulations on who is allowed to do what. They don’t ban RT from setting up their own venue or printing a newspaper. RT and other outlets are able to operate in the US and people are able to chose to watch them.
> If that's your view of the electorate, then the whole "democracy" thing is just a cover for elite power.

yeah. They don't necessarily want nor care to inform of the truth. they want that sort of manipulation as much as any other billionaire. Heck there's a good amount of people who simply want to be told what to do so they don't have to worry about the big stuff.

There's a reason many almost always choose convinience over anything else when working in practice.
Haha I think the latter assumption is more correct. I really know next to nothing about web design. I do data science and machine learning, which is quite different really. I started this project as a Freshman in undergrad and it was originally on WordPress. I have been gradually itterating over it for the past few years and now I'm 2 years out of college. I just have issues and then fix them and learn via that proccess.

So for example when my router was hacked I installed fail2ban, when a friend told me my mobile view was terrible I read about CSS, I have just been working on it gradually but I have never worked in webdev. Just today, a commenter here suggested I implement an RSS feed so I had to look up how to do that and now I have an RSS feed! I'm just learning things on the fly. I'm glad you find it impressive, I just find it as being the lazy way to learn.
I acknowledge that those things can be challenging, however I'd like to respond to some of the specific issues:

- Space leaks due to laziness are a solved problem. I explain the technique to solve it at: https://h2.jaguarpaw.co.uk/posts/make-invalid-laziness-unrep... This technique has not completely percolated throughout the community, but I am confident that it does actually resolve the "laziness causes space leaks issue"

- Flawed state monad: well, you point out the analysis of its flaws from the effectful documentation. That's correct. The solution is: just use effectful (or another similar effect system. I recommend my own: Bluefin)

- GHC breakage: I've been keeping an inventory of breakage caused by new GHC versions, since GHC 9.8: https://github.com/tomjaguarpaw/tilapia/ There has been very little! The Haskell Foundation Stability Working Group has had a massive effect in removing breakage from the ecosystem.

- Laziness and monadic code makes debugging painfully difficult: I mean, sort of, but if you're using monadic code in the style of a decent effect system like effectful or Bluefin this is a non-problem. It's hardly different from programming in, say, Python from the point of view of introducing debugging printfs or logging statements.
There is always someone in the thread who wants to blame the Jews. Two in this one.
Just because you like you walk with 1000 things in your pocket doesn't mean everyone else likes it too. Stop being a luddite.
Those criteria have not been met and we are passed the deadline in which that extension could be applied.
What do you mean? YouTube Shorts and Instagram Reels are very similar.
There are hundreds of HN users commenting here as if their opinions have meaning and value.

Which would be in question if they could all be under various states of “influence”…

At the very least the median credibility would be roughly zero.
I am willing to put cash money in escrow on this bet, because I do not think it is about the money at this point; not anymore.
That's quite interesting. I'd expect a lot of people to say "the freedom to keep my money" is absolutely essential.

We give up that right in exchange for the permanent safety that a government is supposed to grant. Life is presumably more fundamental than money, but if it's the only truly essential liberty, there is a lot of room to give up others.
And today's Bureau of Global Public Affairs[1]. Which "engages media to shape the global narrative on American foreign policy and values [and] communicates U.S. foreign policy objectives to the American public." Of course, it's difficult to pierce the veil and determine exactly how they go about doing this. Narratives are propaganda.

https://www.state.gov/about-us-bureau-of-global-public-affai...
I gotta hand it to him it’s kind of genius
>So what is the tiktok ban really about? If it's about the lack of narrative control

Probably part protectionism of our social media sites, part retribution for China banning our social media sites, part an attempt to control the narrative from at least a foreign competitor perspective.

An interesting thing that might happen is the influx of US users switching to RedNote will be difficult for the Chinese government to sensor. This could introduce some western culture and values into everyday people in China.

>we should see the same ban being applied to RedNote.

Good point. I'm not sure the government is equipped to handle this sort of thing without creating an agency with pretty broad powers. I would prefer that didn't happen.
Of course voters are subject to propaganda.

YOU are subject to propaganda. Yes, you.
It is not.

int main(void) {
struct tm tm = {0};
const char *time_str = "Mon, 20 Jan 2025 06:07:07 GMT";
const char *fmt = "%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S GMT";

// Parse the time string
if (strptime(time_str, fmt, &tm) == NULL) {
fprintf(stderr, "Error parsing time\n");
return 1;
}

// Convert to Unix timestamp (UTC)
time_t timestamp = timegm(&tm);
if (timestamp == -1) {
fprintf(stderr, "Error converting to timestamp\n");
return 1;
}

printf("Unix timestamp: %ld\n", timestamp);
return 0;
}

It is a C99 code snippet that parses the UTC time string and safely converts it to a Unix timestamp and it follows best practices from the SEI CERT C standard, avoiding locale and timezone issues by using UTC and timegm().

You can avoids pitfalls of mktime() by using timegm() which directly works with UTC time.

Where is the struggle? Am I misunderstanding it?

Oh by the way, must read: https://www.catb.org/esr/time-programming/ (Time, Clock, and Calendar Programming In C by Eric S. Raymond)
I'm not saying it won't work. I'm just asking for evidence. You don't think its strange that none of the authors or promoters of this idea provided any evals? Not even a small sample of prompt/response pairs that demonstrate the benefit of this method?
English is not my first language and I clearly understand that it implies that that-person wants to know why the cars are not moving (traffic) while sitting in a car as a driver or passenger.
I enjoy seeing HN independently rederive much of NRX thought via this situation.

In unrelated news, anyone see that NYT interview with Yarvin yesterday?
It's still mind-boggling to me that those in Congress can be shareholders.
Atonality
> there is almost no real risk other than China knowing what you are into to show you more of the same content

The risk here is China having the ability to sway and manipulate opinions of young minds in US over years by controlling what information they see on a daily basis. That is an extraordinary power which should not be underestimated.
This is outright not true, and I’m not sure where this rumor came from.

Source: I have firefly petunias, I have seeds from hand pollenating them, and I have volunteer plants growing in the pot from seed I didn’t collect.

They are simply not guaranteed to glow because they don’t breed true. 3 out of my 5 volunteer plants glow.

Light Bio is actually pleasantly realistic in how amenable they are to non-commercial breeding. I may have even seen pollination instructions on their instagram (normally certain moths pollenate petunias, and without those you need to do so by hand yo be sure seeds take)

You can see some crossbreeding results in https://old.reddit.com/r/FireflyPetunia/
I remember Apple giving away Dylan CDs when Java was first released.
I learned them both and went with Java.
But I should have taken the opportunity to also learn the Common Lisp Object System.

These days we like to bitch about OOP languages, but we could have had better.
fixed thank you!
Feel free to record a 30s video on the topic of Tiananmen Square and post it on X, Facebook and Chinese TikTok. Report back with results in 24h. In the conclusions section, point out the difference between censorship and moderation.
That argument only works if it applies equally. With same grounds one could ban X or Truth Social as well.
> So why should Biden stop it if he agrees with it?

That is my point. The Democrats made themselves look very bad with this situation and Biden did nothing and supported the bill anyway and just signed it.

In fact he replaced Trump's original EO with a worse one which includes still supporting the TikTok ban and Biden signed that last year which made it so that if the Democrats won the election, then TikTok would have been still completely banned with no reversal whatsoever.

In effect, those who voted for Biden or Harris also were voting for a TikTok ban, which that is beyond hilarious as everyone saw that he didn't halt the ban.
There are many Jews who disagree with what AIPAC does in the country and what Israel does.

Would we permit a lobby for China to do the same thing?
Can the AI be disabled?

https://x.com/AndrewSchmidtFC/status/1849947375873425889?lan...
>It's our app store.

Who is 'our' referring to?

Alphabet and Apple? Then its their app store.

TikTok has never been open source.
I mean, I do completely expect deployed military personnel to adhere to rules and limitations that are much more rigorous than those they'd experience in civilian life.

I'd be astonished if I learned that soldiers on duty were totally free to do as they please the expense of operational security simply because that's what people in their broad demographic category are accustomed to.

I'd be equally astonished if I found that military recruitment was based on enlisting cross-sectional samples of demographic categories, without regard for the capacities and attitudes of the specific individuals seeking to join. I know for a fact that people are rejected for enlistment for all sorts of reasons.

And I'm sure that the military can find ways of enabling deployed personnel to use the internet without sacrificing security or oversight -- for example by requiring them to use secured military-issue computers and smartphones, or by having an inspection or vetting process for hardware and software when soldiers want to use their own devices.

I hope you also acknowledge the absurdity of suggesting that the government should apply essentially the same restrictions to the whole of society that the military couldn't apply within its own sphere of control.
>voters are not individual agents but rather a mob subject to manipulation by propaganda

That has nothing to do with China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
> try making a comment in favor of bulk data collection by the intelligence agencies, or stating that Snowden's actions caused significant harm and really only helped adversaries - to give two examples.

Those are both the same example, and sometimes comments get downvoted because they're just making a bad or vacuous argument for an indefensible position.

It's obvious why intelligence agencies want to do bulk data collection, and the reason is related to why it's a problem -- the public needs to be protected against bulk data collection by foreign intelligence agencies, and by domestic ones with insufficient oversight. "Oversight" in a democracy means the public knows about it, otherwise how can there even be a debate about whether it's worth it? But intelligence agencies aren't in favor of oversight of intelligence agencies, so they'll always be in favor of surveillance even if it isn't worth it, which is why they can't be allowed to do it in secret and anyone bringing it into the light is acting in the public interest.

Moreover, bulk surveillance isn't worth it, because if you don't build technology that can resist bulk surveillance then foreign governments will do it to your population and the cost of that exceeds any benefit from you being able to do it to others, even before you account for the domestic cost of having a surveillance apparatus already in place in the event that an oppressive administration comes to power.
Because consumer smartphones are a cheap and logistics-light way to improve morale on deployments.

It's not easy to put a McDonald's in the middle of the desert.
"manual pages", type "man man" in your terminal.

https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/man.1.html