skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Bytedance already won.

Biden flat-out admitted he was not going to enforce the law once it passed, and Trump is pushing for a 90 day "Extension" because "finding a buyer" has proven more difficult than initially expected. this statement is intended to save face as bytedance has repeatedly refused to sell.

What we are watching now is US leaders in both houses of the oligarchy (democratic and republican) scramble to undo policy that was written by people who think the US still has the type of pull it had in the sixties. banning Tiktok in the USA would mean one of the largest social platforms of more than 150 nations combined would have zero US presence.

the US must constantly and vehemently evangelize western values and hegemony in order to protect and maintain the international neoliberal hegemony it has come to enjoy. Washington realizes they have effectively and accidentally cut themselves off from a system of propaganda they benefit from domestically (election rhetoric and stumping) as well as internationally (hearts and minds doctrine of diplomacy and soft power.)

Its bad to operate in a contested environment with china, but its worse to endure a denied environment where the only voices are not yours.
>By 2013, the median newly arrived Harvard kid was like: “[expletive] it. We’re burning the system down. You are all evil. White people are evil. All men are evil. Capitalism is evil. Tech is evil.”

Interesting that he points to perceived attacks upon his whiteness and maleness as the turning point that caused his move towards Trump. A billionaire with an ego so fragile he was incapable of intellectualizing the historical struggles of women and people of color.

As a white male 20 years his senior, I am saddened by the existence of forces that create people like Marc Andressen.
> But China ultimately having that power scares me more than an American company having it.

Why?
Sure. But the danger is still identical. That doesn't change the overall point.
In Europe it's currently in reverse. We have harsh regulations for food produced in Europe and import food not satisfying those regulations.
Open is quite uncommon name nowadays!
I don’t think the parent comment was arguing the motive for the ban.

They’re just saying they’re not convinced TikTok causes the overall happiness the GP comment claims.

I think it’s hard to argue that any social media has a net positive effect on mental health of any age, let alone the younger generations.
Surfacing content you want to view via the algorithm.
> What makes Chinese propaganda so powerful, even in the form of silly 30 seconds dancing?

TikTok is as much about silly 30 seconds dancing as Twitter was about posting 144 character messages or a prime time news program is about 2 minute clips with a voiceover.

The way you fail to even frame the problem suggests you either are oblivious about the problem or you're doing your best to avoid discussing it.
Because youre ignorant of what china somewhere in the org chart means?
We ditched Jira to go all-in on GH. It's nice having the project management in the same place as where the actual work happens. It's not perfect, but it's better than GH + Jira.

Probably the benefit I'm most happy with are that people are writing more, and in greater detail. I don't know why that is. For some reason, the GH experience just encourages writing, whereas the Jira experience seems hostile to it.
You say I'm naive, I say you've been had by jingoistic propaganda. You are more concerned about a foreign boogeyman, I'm more concerned about the one that's governing me.

The US government has shown, time and time again, what it will do with power once it uses it.
I'm an American too, and I DON’T trust an app that has "china" somewhere in it's org chart.

Answer this: who has genocided 10s of millions? Who has crushed Tibet and threatens Taiwan?

CCP or Zuckerberg?
Can you recommend some social apps from China that we may have not paid attention to? I’m assuming there’s a list more than ‘RedNote’. I tried using WeChat but it’s not where my network hangs, unfortunately.

You probably know some that have enough non-China presence.
> The internet doesn’t need to be like this. As luck would have it, a new way is emerging just in time. If you’ve heard of Bluesky...

Why do they write as if activitypub and mastodon do not exist?
No. It means he's an American. And in the context of the TikTok ban that matters.
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> If only we trusted in people to make their own decisions, but that's crazy talk.

You're talking about people who say Haitians are eating pets and having the CCP dictate what content you consume is preferable than not having the CCP dictate what content you consume. Make it make sense.
> But China ultimately having that power scares me more than an American company having it.

Well for people not from US, China having that power is absolutely better. After all, unlike the US, China hadn't invaded another country or instigated coup for the past 40+ years.
https://github.com/MiniMax-AI/MiniMax-01 is an open model that claims a 4 million context. Note however that longer context makes evaluation expensive as you are paying for every token. Still, it is true that OpenAI seriously needs a better solution for it.
So you’re admitting that the call was real, we should just ignore it because it’s inconvenient to your beliefs?
"Vote for people with a lot of money" describes both parties for I don't even know how long. It's obscenely disingenuous to pretend that's new. Both parties have been bankrolled by corporate interests for longer than I've been alive for.

The Elon thing is way more brazen, yes. I also think many people would rather have than instead of two dozen faceless lobbyists sitting behind superPACs, at least you can point to the guy when he pushes for policy. If it was the norm that companies were completely public about showing up to influence politics that might make a better world, really.

Not a fan of the whole thing mind you, but if it's going to go down, I'm not sure this is actually worse.
If Big Tech social platforms are junk food, then what is Bluesky?
If Big Tech social platforms are junk food and the Fediverse is a healthy home-cooked meal, then what is Bluesky?
Consider how this spat looks from the perspective of a European.

The US controls Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Tumblr, Youtube, Reddit, Snapchat, Whatsapp.

Owner of Twitter has office space in the white house, and is calling for the overthrow of elected European governments and deliberately spreading misinformation.

Then the US sees one non-american-owned social media network and decides it's got to be banned.

Perhaps those Europeans should consider whether they want foreigners influencing domestic audiences?
birthright citizenship, eh?
The second largest Mastodon instance is Chinese, third and fourth Japanese, fifth NSFW exclusive. Third and fourth combined is 32% larger than the first, fourth also has about 4x more post per user(~49 vs ~195). The list I'm referring does not include Misskey-based systems(also APub based).

Defederation is not a huge issue if you assume and embrace a segregationist view and cut off likely major fractions of the organically formed Fediverse out of itself. After all it's porn and scripts you don't even recognize, what's the point in having them? My insistence is, that's a fresh dead canary in cage.

1: https://instances.social/list/advanced#min-users=100000
And you are basically saying that despite decades of focused high-stakes research into the matter, propaganda doesn't work at all on the masses, and that algorithmic manipulation of people is simply impossible? How could anyone take that idea seriously.. global advertising spend is approaching like a trillion dollars every year.
If only things like kids getting shot in their classrooms or people dying while insurance companies profited was as compelling as whatever was in that classified briefing
Appears to be a follow-up to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42750420
Oh for sure, they do buzz differently when they are in protec/attac mode.
Worth noting that the article mentions this alternative as their first PoC and its drawbacks: "Because of its simplistic implementation, it was not very accurate, and also slow because of dictionary lookups on the disk."
Actually, what's really amazing is that the wheel has been reinvented so many times except for terminals.

Seriously, make something new that works either with ssh or wireguatd and cement your name in fame.
More perspective as another American: ridiculous inflation, staggering economic inequality, pathetic education standards, ridiculous emissions regulations, ensuring women's access to healthcare, crumbling infrastructure, the housing market, school shootings, student and medical debt, and of course, healthcare, are all issues that are actively demolishing our society right now, and the Government won't do a fucking thing.

They did however manage to ban one of the brain-rotting apps. Not even remotely a majority, but one.

I don't need one line of CCP propaganda to know the American government is a fucking joke.
If your clothes get dirty, you can wash them, and wear them again. The times are over, when you had to keep buying clothes after you soiled the current ones.
Citation for the real example: https://stratechery.com/2019/the-china-cultural-clash/

Ben Thompson's 2020 piece about banning TikTok: https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/

Note it's not a plan to invade, just a plan to be ready: https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2024/05/07/how-dc-becam...
Can we have humane jails and humane social safety nets too?
Why not just use RedNote? It has all the freedom that is deprived in the US [1]. /s

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/16/tech/tiktok-refugees-rednote-...
Companies spending a lot of money at a Trump property then being granted contracts or favorable legislation is a bribe in my eyes.
Alternately, more Americans are aware of the threat than you give us credit for.
The filtering of blocked replies is done server-side. You can view whatever top-level posts you want in the protocol; making those visible/invisible is up to the client software.

If I post something that gets traction, and someone replies with an ad for ED pills, I should be able to remove that spam from the discussion on my thread and not just from my view of it. If others have already "engaged" with a plug for boner pills, their replies are not lost but are just no longer part of the thread stemming from my post.

If you as the OP don't want this behavior, there are other tools at your disposal (mute the replier instead, "hide for everyone", etc).
Now it's mainly BYU...
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> I bet it still does

I'm not sure why anyone would expect otherwise. This also extends to a lot of computer science and engineering departments. Not just through funding research and recruiting graduates, but a formal pipeline for students to get their education paid for in exchange for years of service in a Federal position requiring a security clearance and working on cybersecurity (kind of like ROTC or attending a service academy). It's not at all secret, and should probably be more well-known as an option for current or future college students. Here are the participating universities: https://sfs.opm.gov/Academia/Institutions

I'm also a career Army officer (product of ROTC myself) that has been sent to graduate school, as have many of my peers, with an obligation to bring that education back for additional years of service in positions that require it. At any given time, we have hundreds (thousands?) of active duty officers on college campuses all over the country.
The tying of identity to one’s home instance is IMHO a fatal flaw. Absolutely fundamental error in a decentralized system, making it effectively not decentralized.

It’s understandable in ancient protocols like email where storage was at such a premium that universal replication was out and cryptography was primitive. It’s not forgivable today.

I am ignorant of AT — does it have this problem? I know that Nostr doesn’t and it’s always struck me as technically superior. Problem is there is nothing on there but Bitcoiners and all the topics adjacent to that subculture.
Is the hate for Meta so great that you actually trust a Chinese app more? China absolutely has zero privacy protection and everything explicitly runs through the great censor wall.

Don’t mince words. Meta absolutely has issues with data collection but it’s comical to think they somehow China is better.
You could use some simple CSS tricks (like flex-direction: column-reverse) to make the end of the HTML render above the search results and just keep appending the AI generated text to the HTML without closing the connection.
Well, it sounds like you may have grown up in the country. Personally i think it's a bad idea for children to have guns in densely populated cities, searching for small animals to kill in the one park within "dangerous but still walking" distance. Regardless of what you believe or how you grew up, it's simply impossible to replicate that kind of freedom and safety for a large majority of American children.

Our cities are run by cars, children are notoriously bad at sensing them. I'm sure there's things that could be done but nothing, nothing can give a kid in Brooklyn the opportunity to "bail hay at the farm on the edge of town".
That's why God made 1.5x speed.

British TV shows have long targeted a extremely aged demographic. Most TV seems to operate as if you're a little senile and aren't really following what's going on, or would be too uncertain and scared by quicker edits and more emotional intensity.

That said -- there's little 1.5x doesnt paper over about bad pacing choices.
10M items @ 10 tokens each ("20 bottles of ferric chloride" etc) plus 10M tokens out (category) is 100M tokens in 10M tokens out.

Claude Haiku is $0.25 per 1M tokens in, $1.05 per 1M out, so cost would be ~$35.

GPT-4o mini is even cheaper at $0.15 per 1M in.

Of course if your volume justifies the hardware cost you could always run Llama locally, for the cost of the electricity used.
> Citation needed - social media seems to be very bad for young people's health, if anything.

One would need citation for either claim honestly, there's plenty studies around the idea that social media actually doesn't have as much of an impact on mental health as people seem to believe, as well as the other way around. If we get more specific, people who have or are prone to certain psychological conditions do get aggravated by social media, but the same way that's true, it could be for anything else would there not be social media. In the end, what the comment says holds true regardless of how it may affect their long-term mental health
Please explain. Not clicking those links.
It'll make a good Netflix drama one day.
You've got more experience there than me, and I've only seen the plans for a single center.

I'll point out that some of the key thermal and power stuff in those plans you saw may have come from the hyperscalers themselves - our experience a dozen years or so ago was that we couldn't just put it out to bid, as the typical big construction players knew how to build old data centers, not new ones, and we had to hire a (very small) engineering team to design it ourselves.

Heat removal is well-solved in theory. Heat removal from a large office building is well-solved in practice - lots of people know exactly what equipment is needed, how to size, install, and control it, what building features are needed for it, etc. Take some expert MEs without prior experience at this, toss them a few product catalogs, and ask them to design a solution from first principles using the systems available and it wouldn't be so easy.

There are people for whom data center heat removal is a solved problem in practice, although maybe not in the same way because the goalposts keep moving (e.g. watts per rack). Things may be different now, but a while back very few of those people were employed by companies who would be willing to work on datacenters they didn't own themselves.

Finally I'd add that "9 figures" seems excessive for building+power+cooling, unless you're talking crazy sizes (100MW?). If you're including the contents, then of course they're insanely expensive.
They built a fireproof house in Malibu which survived the 2017 Woolsey fire and the recent fire.

But the fires took a huge emotional toll anyway (survivor's guilt).

Can you imagine having the only house left standing in the Palisades and living there?
As a European, I find it quite outrageous to demand a company be sold to the US because it is too successful and valuable to be foreign-held. It is the old-school imperialist school of thought. If you think Bytedance is harming Americans, despite following american law, then amend the rules for social media companies. Or at least be honest enough to say: "The free market is great, but only if we hold all the cards".
The only friend on mine who actively uses TikTok (as far as I'm aware) has ADHD...
"My issue with capitalism is fundamentally split in three parts", then you go on to describe things that are not exclusive to Capitalism AT ALL.

Again, please quit the cheap sophistry.

> the kind of behavior that goes against my idealized version of what society should be

Are you listening to yourself? You sound like a college sophomore who is sure has a solution to all of humanity's problems...

> turns people into selfish venal assholes

... and can only assign blame on others.

I can bet you nourish some well-developed fantasies about what you would do if you were given enough power over any "less centralized society", and they are a lot more about imposing your view over everyone than ensuring your small community can prosper and be happy.
Yeah, and it is within my rights to call for controls over its ownership. After all, we are a free country.

Just like one person getting vaccinated is useless, I want the country to be inoculated from insidious propaganda outside of democratic control and review.

And it is within my rights to point out the hypocrisy of those who cry freedom

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/16/tech/tiktok-refugees-rednote-...
What does he have to do with the incredible work though ? Shit posting his way to mars ?
I swear, people would equivocate bicycle accidents to plane crashes if it suited their narrative.
Sounds like “Among Us”
One thing I would be careful with is non-voting members in LLC can still take you to court and it is the great question whenever courts can see you being good Open Source citizen as someone who does not act in the interest of shareholders.

The good option I've seen which allows to grant some commercial interests to folks without letting them to interfere with shareholder rights is Phantom Shares or creating a separate company (SPV) where everyone has shares and which by operating agreement is voting as the founder, in this case it makes it harder for them to mess with your company.

In any case, be very mindful of lawyers you choose, many of them would operate with default assumptions which in US often means C-Corp in Delaware, designed to raise some venture capital and hence protect such investors, if your goals are different - make sure to talk them through.
It's not clear to me the behaviour isn't fairly rational. It only seems irrational because the host tells the audience that the faithful are supposed to be finding traitors -- but they arent. Not at all. They're each aiming to win. Eliminating faithful is a necessary and prudent step.

Indeed, traitors have almost all of the power -- the ideal strategy as a faithful is to eliminate talented faithful and ally or sus-out for oneself who the traitors are.

In this light, any faithful expressing actual out-loud competence is a target for everyone, esp. other faithful.

It seem to me a good strategy is to play dumb, pretend to be confused that a competitor-faithful is a traitor, and target them.
> a Chinese company, yes, but backed by some of the major investment funds in the west, the Chinese own 20%, Chinese government is under 1%.

ByteDance not only blocked the sale of TikTok to a US company but also TikTok unilaterally decided to shut down operations in the US to strongarm the US government to prevent it's sale.

If the CCP actually had no control over TikTok and at most they only held a residual non-controlling position, then how do you explain the scorched earth strategy that is only aligned with the CCP's strategy and throws all other shareholders under the bus?
They will have to compete with the FBI.
Yeah, fair enough; it was a mistake to ask for examples, I realize that now. One could probably go to twitter and search “chemtrails” and find a lot of words written seemingly without preceding critical thought. I don’t think many people would assert that chemtrail conspiracy theories are rife with the new generation, however.
No its “intellectual property” “protection” based on some capitalist or whatever ideology

Same thing, different beneficiaries in power
I've heard of queens co-existing, yeah, but that must be very rare. I wonder if somehow they either smell close enough to the same that they and the workers don't notice, or if they are sufficiently different that they don't recognize their smells as those of other queens.
Please share a source that's not a CIA funded NGO or think tank.
The U.S. makes mistakes. Everyone is free talk about them and try to correct them.

Sometimes, we overcorrect or under-correct - or are slow to address things.

But we admit them. I think that counts for a lot.

I think it is unfair to point to military mistakes as undermining all of U.S. credibility.
You almost fooled me with the sarcasm. I am concerned with how many folks in this thread have massive sympathy for China. No doubt the West has had many issues and continues to do so but China is getting painted here as the bastion of freedom and openness. That they trust a Chinese app more than Meta when it’s absolutely worse in mainland then the lives they have in the West.
That's a nice way of saying you took his words out of context to make a pedantic point that doesn't have to do with anything.
Facebook & co are not garbage because of the protocol they use.

They are garbage because of a key ingredient: humans, who generate the content.

Coincidentally, these humans are the same in all platforms, it doesn't matter if the platform is owned by the ugly and stinky Mark, or good smelling and handsome Jack.

And I have yet to meet a single person, who uses a service because of the protocol behind, and not because of the content or tangible features of the service.
Can the second analyzer software not do the same measurement as the first? Coming from a point of ignorance here: I lucked into some higher and DLAs (though not 5v compatible so they wouldn't directly help here) and their softwares allow both decode and measurements
The conflict in Palestine was one (1).

The ADL head (Greenblatt) noted they had a major issue with young people seeing footage from the front lines negatively impacting perception of Israel, this is in a leaked voice memo from early 2024. Ban legislation followed within a month.

(1) https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1852851603365036222

https://x.com/PatriotSt0rm17/status/1878777137479712889

https://x.com/infolibnews/status/1878706591626924522
Oh cool! I have some questions:

1. Does the data org work in isolation from other orgs? I'm guessing not.

2. Does the data org consist of non-engineers? If yes, are they also onboarded into GitHub with their own GH accounts?

3. If (1) is no, what tool is used to track cross-org work? Does the company also use Jira or some other tool and is GH projects integrated with them or something? I'm really curious about this workflow if it is relevant to how you folks work.
You don't know what to choose without any experience or good advice.