skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
re: debugging

I dont disagree but here's another spin on what you observed.

Kernighan's law says you have to be twice as intelligent/skilled when debugging the code as you were when writing it.

A LLM centric corollary would be -don't have the LLM write code at the boundary of its capabilities in your domain.

It's a little hard these days to know where that line lies with the rate of improvements but perhaps is an intuition people are still new at with LLMs.
So what is the point here.

That woke people should be resorting to physical violence to further their cause.

Doesn't seem productive or healthy for society.
Scroll up. I've seen an overview mentioned about. The gist is: the architecture was good for the company and its revenue aspirations. The benefits to the customer a distant second.

It wasn't so much what but why. The constraints of why led to risky anti-customer product decisions. Decisions the CEO had no choice but to own.
The pace with which ai slop can overwhelm the resources we use to review said code is pretty concerning.
Still the point they mention in the article would be valid - would such system digging into years of landfill pose a risk to public health and the environment by potentially releasing harming substances and whatnot?
GitHub not being available for 45 minutes is not an "extended outage".
I don't see how self-hosting solves the problem of 3rd party vendors unless you're standing up a self-hosting solution as a hot/cold backup to your 3rd party vendor "in the event of an extended outage".

Kinda eliminates all those pennies saved (in theory) for outsourcing to "the cloud" if you have to duplicate your infra.

Hybrid has always seemed the most optimal approach, but there's always someone in charge who thinks spending money on safety nets is just wasted money.
81 teraliters according to the article.
Wait, what, you think the percentage is the percentage of the product that's sodium? No. You didn't notice that one product is 240 calories and one product is 150 calories?
No, in time it’s going to look just like that but with hallucinations and large areas of the codebase no human has even read. No doubt digging through code and trying to understand will involve a lot more prompting back and forth
Third Circuit: A Reasonable Officer Can Deliberately Arrest the Wrong Person
The original title is:

> 3rd Circuit: What Reasonable Officer Would Know It’s Not OK To Deliberately Arrest The Wrong Person For A Crime?
Waiting for the Discovery Channel to air "Hard Drive Wars" following the escapades of dumpster-diving mercenaries that, by cover of night, execute their cunning plans to recover the hard drive in question.
I am continuously stunned by how thin-skinned people are these days. A sermon? Good Lord, it’s a bog standard call-to-action essay title of the kind you’d pen in English class. You don’t have to mentally append “(And You’re a Bad Person If You Don’t)” to the end of it.

By the way, the article has an addendum:

> Update: well, this sparked much more discussion on Hacker News than I expected. To answer some questions: Am I better or more virtuous than other people? No. Are you a bad person if you use the cargo cult metaphor? No. Is "cargo cult" one of many Hacker News comments that I'm tired of seeing? Yes (details). Am I criticizing Feynman? No. Do the Melanesians care about this? Probably not. Did I put way too much research into this? Yes. Is criticizing colonialism in the early 20th century woke? I have no response to that.
Golang proposal: reduce error handling boilerplate using?
How do the critics divine the intention here? At a certain point, we're going to get to anything short of a riot being labelled virtue signaling. I'd like to avoid riots altogether.
I don't enjoy reading thinly veiled ads on HN.
Yeah, that's why I added the caveat at the top of my rant.

Too bad they messed up the app so badly. I've written some hardware-control applications and they're not necessarily easy, but... well, that's the job.

Meanwhile I've had my time stolen on numerous "ghost job" postings. Maybe someday, somewhere someone will take a lesson from Boeing and Sonos and other companies that have suffered from grossly incompetent software engineering and put a halt to the despicable disrespect for our time and knowledge.
> Probably egged on by people telling them they had a much larger hiring pool if they went with JS (which is almost certainly true).

There are many VC funded companies here. How many of you felt pressured to pick a hireable language like JS/Python because if not you couldn't deploy your investor's capital? Like, if you had presented a plan of "I'm going to need 4 graybeards that know Haskell", you'd get denied for not thinking big enough.
Duh. Yes. I'm so accustomed to working with % solutions (weight by volume) I forgot nutrition labels give %DV.

Comparing, my costco mexican coke = 85mg sodium in 355mL, my gas station coke = 75mg in 591mL.
"It's not really enjoyable to make music now [...] It takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of practice, you need to get really good at an instrument or really good at a piece of production software. I think the majority of people don't enjoy the majority of the time they spend making music."

- Mikey Shulman, the CEO and founder of the AI music generator company Suno AI

Further reading:

UMG Recordings, Inc. v. Suno, Inc.

https://ia600409.us.archive.org/11/items/gov.uscourts.mad.27...
It seems like nobody cares about the code quality, it just has to work until the conpany is acquired
I forgot that nutrition labels are % daily, not % w/v.
New Ohio Law Allows Cops to Charge $75/HR. To Process Body Cam Footage
Time for a Stalker remake.
I agree that Git has more of a claim to this than Facebook, but that's kinda like saying a turtle is more of a car than a banana is a car.

Like, yes, it's true. Unlike a banana, turtles have 4 movement-enabling things, they use them to move mostly forward and backwards and not sideways, and other things can ride on them. It's probably more of a car. But it's not a car.

Git has no issue tracker. It's really not a controversial statement. The git community has common practices using something else to work around that, but if that's all you need to say "therefore git has X" then you can claim git has a CI framework because everyone and their dog uses GitHub. Which also has email integrations.
You're just using your own data center instead of Jeff's bit barn.

I mean seriously people, a "cloud" is just someone elses' data center.

Am I missing something?
This is how bad ideas keep propagating.
Because I need the space for videos and games and that's why I have large storage. Not for tiny applications wasting 300 MBs because someone thought that an electron app would reduce engineering cost.
> the Hard Drive was 'probably' located 'within an area of approximately 2,000 square metres of the site' and 'within an approximate volume of 10,000-15,000 tonnes of waste.'

There's no way he's digging up anywhere near that amount quietly.
> What other motivation do they have for selling out their own family and people then?

Not wanting to be the next Venezuela, for one. Reflexive protectionism is emotionally satisfying. It rarely delivers the promised relief.

I could absolutely see such a tax e.g. taking out a small Spanish bank or two, or, at best, knocking out develoopers' financing such that new-home construction contracts. More likely: it becomes the only thing this government can work on as Spain gets mired in years of EU litigation.

> It is trendy to participate in the destruction of your own descendants' homelands and future

To the extent anyone is trend following, it's the populists making these sort of black-and-white claims. Again, you're the only one arguing against this imagined anti-racist commenter. Policy written to annoy an imagined foe is going to be predictably bad.
Is there a specific other word you'd suggest? I was watching an event last week where the promoters:

* had everyone declare their pronouns

* advertised their segregated black-only event next month

* repeatedly interrupted to chant "trans rights!"

This is a very common cluster of behavior, and I'm not sure what I would call it other than "woke". If there's another word that would be better, I'm all ears. But my experience has been that proponents don't find any word acceptable, because what they object to is the very idea that this is a distinct cluster of behavior. They feel, as the source article says, that each of my bullet points is just an independent matter of respect.
Doesn't it exactly solve "extended outages and forced exits from third party vendors."?
Researcher finds a vulnerability in the iPhone USB-C controller
> 20 million people participating in protests was not a “state sponsored attack”

It was partly that, though. Read the section "Rallies and protests organized by IRA in the United States" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

Also: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook...

These troll farms exploited genuine grievances in order to stoke as much chaos as possible.

I'm not trying to say this was the main cause, my comment "wokeness was state sponsored attack" was rhetorical in nature. While a state sponsored attack did happen (see above links...) it isn't the main explanation.
Past small discussions

Ohio Puts Police Bodycam Footage Behind a Paywall (15 points, 9 days ago, 6 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42597977

Ohio passes law letting police charge public up to $75/hour for body cam videos (4 points, 23 days ago, 2 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42480032
Well, despite our intents, we may have established the moon might be blue then.
for an embedding model, this is a very very bad question, to the point where i am wondering if you are trolling and i missed the joke

i can be constructive but i dont have space in the margins of this paper
> But it's going to enable a lot of code to get written by a lot more people and it's super exciting.

I think it will cut both ways. I guess it depends on the type of work. I feel like expectations will fill to meet the space of the increased productivity. At least, I can see this being true in a professional sense.

If I could be five times more productive i.e., work 80% less, then I would be quite excited. However, I imagine most of us will be still be working just as much -- if not more.

Maybe I am just jaded, but I can't help but be reminded of the old saying, "The reward for digging the biggest hole is a bigger shovel."

For personal endeavors, I am nothing but excited for this technology.
Who is this “we” that you claim to speak for?

Given how high this article is ranked, plenty of people are evidently receptive to it. Sorry!
Legacy code is written by humans, and when you read stuff written by humans you can anticipate what their intent was because you are a human as well.

With AI, there is no intent, the AI is a probabilistic model and you have to guess if the model got it right.

It’s like the difference between driving next to a human driver vs a self driving car. You have some idea of what the human will do but the self driving car could flip out at any moment and do something irrational.
At this point why wouldn’t a slightly crazy treasure hunter investor offer to front tens of millions to like, buy the landfill from the city?
Yeah. If the left (and the democratic party more generally) throws out all the "anti-woke" people, there won't be many people left.

You'd lose Obama, Bill Maher, Joe Rogan (yes really.), Stephen Fry, Bernie Sanders, and on and on it goes.

I hate puritanical finger wagging. I think most people feel the same way. That has nothing to do with my political opinions on other topics, like abortion, gun control and so on.

I think the left in the US makes a massive strategic error by claiming that everyone who doesn't like "woke" is right wing. The right wing is delighted to have all of those voters.
There's a key difference though: while vegans are generally proud of being vegan, it's very hard now to find anyone who will admit to being woke or even that a single one of their beliefs is woke. It was only in fashion for a brief period and is now distinctly out of fashion. It's kind of similar to being a hipster—a lot of people get called hipsters, but no one has self-identified as one since probably the early 2010s.

This makes discussions like these inherently slippery and circular. While it's clear that many people do actually hold beliefs that their critics would characterize as woke (as evidenced by real-world impact like master branches being renamed, indigenous land statements, and DEI quotas), they're never going to voluntarily accept a label that has been turned into a pejorative.
What Is "Silkpunk"?
China is reportedly open to Elon Musk acquiring TikTok US
Since git is distributed, I wonder if it's enough to demonstrate the capability to spin up an alternative, but not necessary keep it up as a live backup 24/7.
> if significant assets are involved it may still be somewhat risky

No more than any asset in the EU. A nominee can steal your property about as easily as any notary.
Git is only a small part of Github these days.
TIL, and I consider myself pretty far left
It also makes hard-to-maintain code. Trade-offs.
I think the solid understanding of the product and its users is the important part, not whether you’re an engineer or not. That understanding (or lack thereof) can and does transcend role.
> Is This a reference to the law preventing teachers from speaking to young children about sexuality?

To be clear, the law that the person I am replying to is likely referring to is Florida House Bill 1557, which passed in 2022 and originally applied to kindergarten through 3rd grade. In 2023, it was expanded to apply to all grades, K-12. Here is a quote from the rule [0], this is the rule's self-summary:

"The amendment prohibits classroom instruction
to students in pre-kindergarten through grade 3 on sexual
orientation or gender identity. For grades 4 through 12,
instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity is prohibited
unless such instruction is either expressly required by state
academic standards as adopted in Rule 6A-1.09401, F.A.C., or
is part of a reproductive health course or health lesson for which
a student’s parent has the option to have his or her student not
attend"

[0] https://flrules.org/Faw/FAWDocuments/FAWVOLUMEFOLDERS2023/49...
The way many LLms are coded is to not ask questions where clarification is needed but just eagerly produce something and fill in the gaps.
There was a Railroad Tycoon 3, made mostly by the same team in the same office in Fenton. The changes to a more free-flowing tracks didn't necessarily make the game better, and were a headache for most of the production.

I was also told that there were attempts to make the economic simulation far more dynamic, simulating that the cargo could leave by other transport methods, as you'd find in a more serious economic simulation. That just made the game worse: The more efficient the market gets, the harder it is to find the profit, and the more likely that an old 'good' route suddenly stops making money, which is just annoying in a single player game.

It's a common problem with market-centric games: Good simulations make everything unfun, as most of the enjoyment comes from easily finding opportunities or getting away with misbehavior that would make real-life barons very difficult. This is IMO why you don't find many spiritual successors: Most steps forward would be steps back when it comes to making the game fun. So you'll find games focusing just on the tracks, but as puzzles (like the Train Valley Series). Optimizing routes trading items (spaceways), or outright market manipulation (Offworld Trading Company). Doing it all at once basically demands copying the game with newer graphics.
Enforce taxes for non occupancy instead. Like €1000 per day that a property is not occupied.

Currently the excepted cash flow of buying some property and locking it empty is positive. We need to make it VERY negative.
Things like this could _synk_ their reputation...
The source code, perhaps, but a good many of the orgs I've worked at also use Github for PRs, Actions (CI), and for triggering deployments. Those things take time to setup, and across a whole org, I wouldn't want to have to have an unplanned change to another vendor.

In particular, I've moved a CI for a large repository between different CI systems. It was anything but trivial: you want to believe "it's just a YAML that runs commands, right? Translate the format, right?" but it's really not; differences between how CI systems map commands to machines, external integrations (e.g., in this case, into Action's artifacts system, or output system) etc. all make it more complicated.
Video of the CCC presentation this is based on Hacking into Apple's new USB-C Controller (26 points, 12 days ago, 1 comment) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42566502
History of the Neck Tie
Respectfully, I never thought Lonely Island or Andy Samberg were funny. But consider them more “academic” humor because of the cultural significance. E.g. “Happy birthday to the ground” is a good/relevant line to know even if it’s not something that makes me laugh. Suppose I feel the same about SNL
in general too
> A lot of the code we've currently got is garbage.

That is why I have never understood the harsh criticism of quality of LLM generated code. What do people think much of the models were trained on? Garbage in -> Garbage out.
The land mines do explode. Edinson Cavani got three match suspension after saying “Gracias Negrito” on social media to a teammate who just had a good game. And Spanish was his mother language.

The teammate was not offended in any way, but some authorities higher up apparently were.
Reading the strings and knots that keep the secrets of the Inka Empire [video]
Their 1024 dimension outperforms their 2048 dimension? What am I missing here.
Discussion forming (12 points, 13 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42692007
this has nothing to do with leftism or rightism. MAGA is not right-wing,they're fascist and authoritarian.

paulg has a reliable pattern of history, where he echoes the current trends in the tech company leadership circle. him, altman, musk, bezos,etc.. they run in the same circles. I am not even disagreeing with his sentiment of being against performative morality or equality, people on all sides of politics have been saying that for decades! the framing of anti-racist and anti-fascist people as "woke" and hijacking that conversation as a culture war item where any attempt to criticize racist and fascist systems and sentiment is classified as "woke" (they tried the term "SJW" a few years prior to "woke") is what is happening here, and it is very obvious.

You cannot plead ignorance on this!

This isn't about arbitrary social rules or saying "colored people" vs "people of color" or b.s. like that. that sort of mis-framing is mis-direction, straw-man reasoning. Someone tells you "hey, pay minorities a fair wage" and responding with "I can't call them _____, that's woke and political correctness", how sickening it is when the tech world shows its hypocrisy. Better to have performative morality many times over than willfully ignorant tolerance of hatred and prejudice. Use the terms "DEI" and "woke" in any context other than their original intended context and you're either a damn racist or an enabler.

I hope these people read this, I for one would be very vocal for calling them out and shaming them after they've drunk from the poisoned chalice of trump.
I'm not convinced it's deliberate dishonesty. Just a communication disconnect. Firstly, it can take time from the first yellow flags to the full realization that there really is an incident underway, secondly it needs someone to decide how to communicate that incident, and thirdly the engineers who are actually working on the incident need to be able to get on with it instead of being pestered for an update every 10 minutes.
Only if your repo doesn't have any other critical integrations like CI/CD, jira, etc
Perhaps you should be more specific in your comments if you don't want to run afoul of the HN no snipe policy. Backhanded baseless comments are snipes.

Your comment as it stands is structured in a way to discredit without rational basis as a nullification, and follows overgeneralized fallacy.

Improper reasoning, false association, and false implication in all. You are actually doing the very thing you falsely claim others are doing.

Reckless and baseless claims can demonstrate intent through negligence. Did you intend that?
In my opinion, the best way of fighting with crawlers is not giving error feedback (403). The best way is to give the crawlers low-quality AI-generated data.
You're quite a Mary Poppins for someone with the heavy handle of @bastardoperator.

AFAICT the internet was built on negativity.

Here's the 2nd post from a random USENET group I found:

https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp&mid=PDQ5ajZp...
That's interesting; I find vim so much more intuitive than emacs. I find commands easier to reason about (and easier on the fingers) than chords. `dd` over `C-a C-k` or `C-S-Backspace`, for example.

I also think the discoverability in emacs, despite the nice point-and-click interface, is always going to be hampered by the idiosyncratic vocabulary. If you don't already know emacs, `Buffers > *scratch*` isn't going to mean anything to you. And if you do know emacs, you're just going to use the chord. So who's the audience for the point-and-click? People who know what scratch buffers are, but don't know how to use emacs? I don't imagine there are many of those.

> Power tools aren't as common as regular hammers and saws and so on, i.e. 'less popular', but among professionals few would prefer the unpowered ones just because the threshold to bring one out is lower.

Agreed, but I suspect many more professional programmers use VS Code than vim and emacs put together. Though I suspect even more use IDEs.
cannot wait for tpb.party support
US tightens its grip on AI chip flows across the globe
We have a repurposed version of SWE-bench Lite for retrieval; you can see the numbers in the last column of this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5GDXOXueHuBT9demPrL...
FTA:

> There will always be prigs. And in particular there will always be the enforcers among them, the aggressively conventional-minded. These people are born that way. Every society has them. So the best we can do is to keep them bottled up.

But who will morality police the morality police? (Paul Graham of course!)

Jokes aside, the difference between the 1) and 2) is the difference between progressivism and wokeism. But I think many here – as well as the article – miss the point by aiming squarely at 'noisy' humanities students, and not at the governments and corporations that leveraged their movements into this realm of the purely performative. That's not to say that there isn't scope for government and corporate interventions that actually make positive change to social justice outcomes. And there's also some merit to both online and meatspace activism causing many bad actors to consider their behavior (e.g., Harvey Weinstein, excessive force by law enforcement, wrongful incarcerations/executions).
They used to be. Github's is a prime example of how "useful info" has turned into "PR mouthpiece" — it used to display graphs of a few choice Github system metrics, and those spiking could often usefully indicate "yeah, they're having a problem" well before a human could update the page.

But yeah, also status pages seem to be under the domain of non-engineers who are too concerned with how things look, vs. conveying useful information in a timely manner, and ultimately, fail at both.
Systems like these should have an escape hatch of some sort. The key part is that it needs to be auditable.

Anything you do in CI should be possible outside of CI, at least by some subset of users.