skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Yes. An estimate for 2 billion is laughable. I did not say the cost WAS $2 billion, I said the Google AI gave me a range from $100M to $2B. Maybe the total cost of the program for the 1st launch was 2 billion? But you're going to amortize that cost over (hopefully) several launches.

I think you misunderstand my argument. Let me restate it.

Someone, sometime said the Starship launch was $2b. The Google AI picked that up and included it in its answer. Someone, sometime said it was around $100m. The Google AI picked that up and included it in its answer. There is a lot of range between 100m and 2b, which implies there's a lot of data getting thrown around and we don't have good numbers.

If observing that we don't have good numbers is arguing in bad faith... I don't know what to tell you.

Musk at some point said $10m for a Starship launch. I think I found a reference for that in a CNBC interview... I'll look it up later. But my point is... It is unlikely that Starship launches are $10m RIGHT NOW. But sure... maybe they will be in the future. I take Elon with a grain of salt because of his comments regarding Full Self-Driving Mode and Robo-Taxi deployment dates.

I said we should not compare New Glenn estimated launch costs RIGHT NOW with Elon's asperational price target of $10m. We should compare Starship's cost per kg to LEO RIGHT NOW with New Glenn's estimated cost per kg to LEO RIGHT NOW. Or we could compare them at a particular point in the project history. We could compare per-kg costs at first launch or estimated per-kg costs at the 10th launch.

Both companies are saying they want to do a lot of launches, so we'll eventually have MUCH better data.

I'm suggesting we compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges and not apples to oranges.

At the current moment, all Starship launches have been fully disposable (though yes, one booster was caught by the chopsticks so it's probably more accurate to say the whole system is about 1/12th re-usable.) At this point in the program, you have to pay for each vehicle that lands or crashes in the water. I agree with you when you say "100m is more accurate for a fully disposable launch." Starship is currently more disposable than it is reusable.

When SpaceX re-uses the boosters and the Starships, then it will not be fully disposable and the price per launch will go down. We are not at that point at the moment. You can tell this because a number of boosters and starships have fallen into the ocean, some crashing, some coming to a controlled stop just over the ocean and then falling over.

But the important part here is that the equipment that wasn't caught by the chopsticks doesn't get to be re-used. So if you want to do another launch, you have to build new equipment. That new equipment will cost money.

So if the current, mostly non-reusable Starship launches cost $100m a pop, that's after several launches. Even though we have someone estimating the first couple of New Glenn launches cost $68m, let's wait until it has 6 launches and THEN compare costs.
are you on CCP's payroll for covering their rise in AI? you are basically implying that people shouldn't believe the progress they made and thus don't need to take it seriously.

nice job, you should get a pretty solid performance review result.
Being a child today isn't for sissies
I ultimately sold mine (launch model). The hardware was....fine. Battery life on Linux was disappointing, battery life on Windows was tolerable but less than a Surface device. I missed having a touchscreen though that wasn't a dealbreaker.

No one thing was the breaking point, I just found myself reaching for my other laptops more as they would more reliably have power after sitting for a while.

If I wanted a Linux device I would give it a look today, but its battery life and general UX are significantly behind a Surface Laptop or Macbook Air/Pro, so no, I wouldn't buy one as my sole laptop.
Open source or open weights?
Market? What an extremely HN comment :-D

I see some games can be bought, but I doubt it's big biz. People do lots of things for shits and giggles and out of pure passion.
Rust, Reflection and Access Rules
I bought mine in September. Overall, a big disappointment, the battery is less than mediocre (under linux). Unfortunately I missed the refund window.

I bought it after using a mac m1, so i was somehow under impression that i am buying a laptop to be used during a train ride, or watching a movie in a bed. It's none of that, i bought another "movable desktop pc".

Everything else is OK.
Or a beaver dam. Imagine a bunch of those stumps all concreted together with mud.
I’m not sure if you’re generalizing to a specific region in your assessment but regardless, I doubt this is anywhere close to a solved problem given the crashes/incidents (so far) still associated with the tech and the dependencies IIRC on street signs and other markers.

re: region, I’d like to see it take on more challenging conditions, like in India for example where things are chaotic even for human drivers. I doubt that it’ll survive over here.
Happy new year from Singapore!
> Maxim-gun slaughter of Mahdists in the eighteen-nineties

The Mahdists had a policy, contrary to Islam, of enslaving Muslims who didn't support them, amongst all the usual slaver behaviour(e.g., after the siege, all the women and children in Khartoum were enslaved, which I'm sure went great for them. All the men were of course massacred in fun manners).

I do note that they picked the 1890s to limit it to the war where the Empire Struck Back, not the war beforehand, but nonetheless, I'm not sure the Mahdists were a good choice for building sympathy.
Sorry to be a broken record but I have no “proposal” whatsoever. It’s more of an information sharing and seeking discussion. I don’t know what I want yet except that I think we can do better. The end result could be that it’s all a terrible idea and that’s okay, but hopefully something comes out of it eventually.

Id love to continue this discussion, but I think HN threads probably aren’t the right medium. If you’d like I can email you or we can schedule a call. I’m not trying to seek privacy, I’d be happy for any to be recorded or shared publicly, I just don’t find HN to be a good place if you really want to dive into this!
100m is vaporware pricing. It's the $30k Tesla that drives itself. Or any of the numbers on the hyperloop. It's a made up number for the press.

I'm begging the internet to please be critical and do some basic analysis and not just believe everything they hear from that guy!
Kitty is a great terminal and Kovid does excellent work. I have a ton of respect for him. Ghostty (disclaimer: I’m the creator) could also be and I appreciate anyone who thinks so. There doesn’t have to be a winner/loser mentality!

The big picture is to get more people to use the terminal more for cases it’s good for. Infighting amongst people who already like terminals is counter productive, in my opinion.
Try an OTel based monitoring tool like KloudMate or Honeycomb, maybe
I've got very mixed feelings about magick, but skimming through the material looks intriguing enough to explore on my own terms. I've definitely gotten value from psychonaut-type explorations with various forms of medicine, but doing this in a self-powered way seems to be a lot more accessible and sustainable.
Yes, even Windows (Edge) prompts to install the PWA on the desktop. The "Add to Home Screen" process works well, but is obscure.
I've lived in many cities. I don't think I've ever lived someplace without a few troublesome, housed, neighbors - including those who left their trash outside the dumpster!

> the need of the thousands of residents of the neighborhood to have livable streets outweigh whatever concern you might have about the well being of a few destructive individuals.

It's their rights and freedom, and that applies to everyone. Other people can't outweigh them - rights are not subject to majority rules, that is the point of having rights.

'Liveable' is too loose a standard. Actual harm would be meaningful.
Happy New Year from Oslo! I really appreciate this community; it gives me great peace.
Thanks to all you participants who make this site so valuable.
Oneplus 7T build already up! And damn, it feels really snappy! There seems to be some good optimization on Android 15?
Instead of contributing to more electronic waste and as an economic purchase, I...

use used ThinkPads.

Advantages:

Zero new electronic waste created.

Several 'new' machines are cheaper than a Framework.

Small upgrades plentiful and cheap. A major upgrade of a'new' machine still cheaper and more environmentally friendly than a Framework.

Better battery life, keyboard, ergonomic design, ports, hinges LOL, etc.

Try one today: ebay.com
He must’ve forgot to mix it with maple syrup.
Interestingly, this guy was not apparently working or communicating with an undercover agent, which is very often the case on a bust like this. You hear a lot about plots where the would-be attacker is holding fake bombs supplied by an agent. Not many where the guy assembled a lot of explosives on his own. Glad he was caught.
It might be just digits but it stands for a far more complex idea - time! Just because people like discrete things and discrete things never capture the nature of our continuous universe doesn't mean it's less special!
Implying I’m a liar is a silly cheap shot.

I’ve made zero HN comments about Firefox, Thunderbird and Blender. But I must be lying when I say I use those every day.

You seem to have interpreted my original comment as a declaration of ghostty’s superiority. It wasn’t. Not every positive comment about a piece of software must also be interpreted as an attack on another piece of software, such that you have to come to its defence.

Though perhaps you will tell me I’m forbidden from being impressed by any terminal other than Kitty, and certainly not God-forbid actually share that thought on HN!
I don't see how that makes any sense. Starship is 100t dry; simply the fuel costs of a launch will necessarily be higher than disposable alternatives.
Of course, I didn't mean to put you in a spot. We can always continue this later once your thoughts have matured. Sadly I have an extremely full schedule so I dont think I have the badwidth to noodle on this at this stage but if and when you have something more concrete please do post it somewhere public and I will try to contribute to the discussion.
* Happy New Year, Hacker News! *

As the clock ticks into a brand-new year, let’s toast to the innovators, the builders, the thinkers, and the dreamers who make this community so vibrant. Here's to:

- Writing elegant code and tackling tough bugs.
- Exploring new frontiers in tech and beyond.
- Learning, sharing, and leveling up together.

May this year bring you breakthroughs, discoveries, and joy in every pull request and project.

Keep building. Keep dreaming.

Happy New Year, HN!
Same thing with me and medical care invoices
> Maxim-gun slaughter of Mahdists in the eighteen-nineties

The Mahdists had a policy, contrary to Islam, of enslaving Muslims who didn't support them, amongst all the usual slaver behaviour(e.g., after the siege, all the women and children in Khartoum were enslaved, which I'm sure went great for them. All the men were of course massacred in fun manners).

I do note that they picked the 1890s to limit it to the war where the Empire Struck Back, not the war beforehand, but nonetheless, I'm not sure the Mahdists were a good choice for building sympathy.

Also, staying that the State of Israel learned suppressive tactics from Britain is rather infantilising in the extreme.
The rocket equation doesn't participate in capitalism -- moving mass to orbit takes delta-v and that takes fuel.

If you are going to imagine a hypothetical future where starship has made technological leaps forward sufficient to be the cheapest possible option despite being significantly heavier and larger aerodynamically, you have to imagine someone else could also improve their rocket. A smaller rocket requires less fuel to fly.

The US is not the only place flying rockets, and spacex has a lead, but if the industry takes off, there will be other contenders. Once rockets start getting more similar as they all start contending with physics, a smaller rocket will necessarily be cheaper.
> Battery life is better than any other laptop I've had

3-4 hours like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42564335 ?
It’s entirely relevant. The last paragraph of the article makes the same claim about the state of the libraries.

From another part:

> Mr Michelson-Ambelang told the BBC that the removal of books from South Asia through programmes like PL-480 "creates knowledge gaps", as researchers from there often need to travel to the West to access these resources.

The knowledge gap is that America has the books and India doesn’t. If the books had stayed in India, I think that would have closed the knowledge gap because nobody would have them. They would have been lost just like the other copies of the books.
MKY/com groups. A very evil part of the internet:

https://www.maargentino.com/nihilism-and-misanthropy-unleash...
What Happens When a Whole Generation Never Grows Up?
Appreciate it! <3
It was more of a message board. I mean, I guess you could use a message board as a bug tracking system, but most of the uses I saw were more groups of people planning things... graduation parties, keggers, jam sessions, etc.
> Current best practice for large scale language modeling is to operate at the token level, i.e. to learn to predict the next tokens given a sequence of preceding tokens. There is a large body of research on improvements of LLMs, but most works concentrate on incremental changes and do not question the main underlying architecture. In this paper, we have proposed a new architecture,

For some 2024 may have ended badly,

but reading the lines above shines a great light of hope for the new year.
> or watching a movie in a bed

The battery doesn't last the length of a movie? Are you getting hardware decoding of the video?
"But my speculative asset was supposed to be a guaranteed profit with no risk!"
They are also usually selling another AI-wrapper. I don't know the parent poster either but if your LLM product is generating $10k/month, your moat is really weak and you'll probably shut the f* up because your only moat is obscurity. Why risk that?
ThinkPads often come up in these discussions but does not the same apply for example for business versions of Dell laptops? Such as Latitude and Precision. I kept one alive for almost ten years, occasionally replacing parts with secondhand parts. It still works perfectly but I have it as a spare now.
I bought an Intel i7 like 2 years ago. My takeaways:

- I would rather buy a MacBook now, the whole ecosystem is nicer. This is not Framework’s fault, Apple’s ecosystem just works and at some point you just want stuff that works. I absolutely love the AirPods and there’s always some minor annoyances when pairing with the laptop.

- The removable port adapters are nice but not that useful in reality. I occasionally change the charging port to the other side to make charging easier in different spaces. The HDMI adapter sometimes needs to be removed and reinserted which sucks.

- The build quality is good enough. I wouldn’t expect any less from any laptop at that price point.

- I believe the main selling point was that you could switch parts easily. However, I don’t see myself performing any major upgrade like changing the mobo/cpu. Those upgrades are fairly expensive. Also, I don’t see myself building stuff with a spare mobo/cpu.

- Given the previous point, I wouldn’t say this laptop is going to last me longer than any other high quality laptop. I have a Sony VAIO that is still working after more than a decade. I expect the same of this laptop and I expect the same of any high end laptop.

- speakers suck.

Overall I think the concept is really nice and I am glad that I supported the company. However, I think that making conventional laptops more repairable is good enough. Full modularity is a cool concept but it does seem to have a lot of drawbacks. Give me the ability to easily change the hard drive, the RAM, the battery, the keyboard/trackpad and that is sufficient for me. Maybe the screen.

If you are really environmentally conscious I would say you can achieve something similar by buying a high end device, using it 5-8 years, and then sell it/gift it when you need to upgrade.

There’s also the argument that a perfectly good laptop can end in a trash bin because of a faulty port or something minor. But honestly, I have never had that happen. Either I’m just lucky or electronics at this price point are generally well built. Given that you did a bit of research before buying.
The Constitution also says the courts interpret the law and the Supreme Court has interpreted it to mean there are limits.

You can amend the Constitution to forbid the Supreme Court from interpreting it to allow for unhindered access to weapons of mass destruction. Not super difficult if everyone agrees.

Moreover, Elon Musk can not launch anything with enough mass to come remotely close to the yield on even a small nuclear weapon. Kinetic bombardment of say, a 200 Mg tungsten rod from orbit, impacting Earth, would have a yield equivalent to only ~350 tons of TNT.
I really enjoyed reading this. And it is too relatable that they would detour from the project they want to work on to port the build over to Bazel.
> It's not interesting now, and will never be interesting

You’re writing off Icelandic culture as having nothing useful to suggest to modern civilisation. Given their parliament is the oldest continuously-operating one in the world, I’d say you’re dead wrong. What’s sad is that you’re dismissing books you haven’t read. Which is ironically pertinent to this article—it’s what India has been doing.
Statement following the discovery of a metallic fragment of a space object
Happy New Year, everyone! I’m incredibly grateful for this amazing community. Your informative posts and insightful comments have taught me so much, and I truly appreciate all of you. Here's to another year of learning and growth together!
He could just put a bunch of metal rods in space and then drop them on his enemies, Bond-villain style. I’m not totally convinced he would though.
We do not need quantum states to build (arithmetic) calculators. Nor, very probably, for complex and much more complex calculators.
I can tell by your response that you are burdened by understanding at least one of a)what a p-value is b)What an “LLM hallucination” means or c)what actually causes llms to hallucinate.

If you set yourself free from the meaning of all the nouns in the sentence then you can get there.
We already have humanoid intelligeces that self-assemble and power from common materials, as a colony of incredibly advanced nanobots.
Happy 2025 all HN'ers! I'm a daily HN'er - It's my only source of news apart from occasional YT vids, but what a brilliant source of news it is!!!

I frequently find myself saying: 'Yeah that was on HN a few weeks ago'! It's so up-to-the-minute and really just wholeheartedly good! Dang is a goddamned legend in my opinion I can hardly believe it works so incredibly well and it's surely mostly from dang's good work! Thankyou dang, so much!!

I think calendars (especially the gregorian) are fairly approximate things so try not to assign too much meaning to the number ticking-over these days.. sun/moon/earth/nature didn't care that our numbers ticked-over very much did they? But still, in order to be able to talk to others we have to try to store our memories using dates as keys (I'm actually really crap at that, but still!), so HOORAY for the next approximate-date-memory-key-era!!

Much love to all teh hackers! You are all awesome! Even the black-hats!! Curiosity FTW!!!!
Happy new year to everyone!
> how might Emacs evolve to seamlessly integrate these technologies

Packages will fill the gap. There are no shortage of AI experiments/packages out there. I author one. https://lmno.lol/alvaro/chatgpt-shell-goes-multi-model
>There's no pit of success, just lots of div-wrapping and tweaking until things fall into place.

If you don't know what you're doing and plan things out, sure that is what you might expect - but that's a choice. And that's the same in any language or framework or platform. It's possible to write bloated unmaintainable UIs outside of JS/HTML.

>npm is a bit of a madhouse, and JS culture basically consists of "we shove JS everywhere we can and say it is good because it is JS."

Every package manager for every language is a bit of a "madhouse". It's the nature of free software. I'm not sure why you would expect JS programmers to not want to use JS packages, I'm not quite sure how you arrived at this sentiment.

>At 50-100loc, you can have a decent looking native app for a simple task.

Same with Javascript. You might be surprised what can be achieved in a few bytes of Javascript. Ever visit dwitter.net ? I think you're also leaving CSS out of the equation, which has very powerful styling capabilities. 10 or 20 lines of CSS can achieve a lot of UI styling for a simple app. The HTML/CSS/JS combination is very expressive, extremely powerful and easy to use. Not sure how you think it's somehow incapable of UI similar to native applications, without bloat, and easy to implement. I suppose it depends on your skill level with these tools, because I find it extremely easy to do. YMMV.
I have 6 months with my FW16. Everything has been good so far, the laptop itself is overpriced but I'd say that the added value of repairability makes up for it. Will have to wait more time to see if they update the mainboard for the 16 inch model, but it has been a breeze so far.
That's an interesting point. I've often heard the inverse: to beware of reviews from those who receive items for free, as few products are bad propositions when there is no associated cost.
I used a Framework 13" as my daily driver for 3 years. I still have it, and now I also have a Framework 16", which has been my daily driver for the last six months.

The user serviceability and upgrade stories are real. The hardware isn't as svelte as Apple's, but mine has traveled all over the world and has yet to have any major issues. The one hardware failure I had was that the USB-C half of the charging cable on my 13" eventually broke after a few years of abuse, but that used to happen to me with Apple charging cables, too.

Framework has an active initiative to do outreach to different Linux distro communities and give them free hardware to help shore up compatibility. And, on that note, I haven't run into any Linux hardware compatibility issues (not with Pop!_OS, or more recently NixOS).

Speaking for myself, they have a loyal customer for as long as they continue to make this kind of hardware.
Okay but China is in no way comparable to ex-Soviet countries. You can't lazily lump them together just because of a label. There's a reason why PRC as a state still exists today, and it's not just because the government holds power.

The Chinese government enjoys massive support, mostly from poorer rural populations. Western views don't quite believe it, and think it's all an excuse to hold power, but they take the notion of not letting rich people take over the state, quite seriously, especially nowadays.
A p-value isn’t just any old probability- it has a specific meaning related to hypothesis testing[1]. A p-value is the conditional probability of seeing a result at least as extreme as some observation under the null hypothesis.

Yes LLMs generate tokens using a stochastic process, so it is probabalistic. Everyone knows that, but in the normal process of generating text, LLMs aren’t doing a hypothesis test so by definition p-values are completely irrelevant to how LLMs hallucinate.

[1] https://math.libretexts.org/Courses/Queens_College/Introduct...
Very happy with mine, best Linux laptop I’ve ever had. I have the 13”.
What was your takeaway from having these days? Did you have a different mindset going into the week?