skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
No.

It's not their data. It's ours, as the users. Craigslist doesn't own anything I upload to them.

The reason PadMapper exists is because Craigslist refuses to not suck.
Redditor Rips Apart Bigotry & Prejudices Inherent in Human Opinions & Beliefs
I'll give you a piece of advice (take it for whatever you want) that you're not likely to get elsewhere.

People aren't stupid.

The dominant model in many online ventures is that in some sense the "user is the product", which they're selling to companies. There will be a huge natural push on you to sell a part in your user's "decisions" - you need to resist this, and then you will be ahead of 99.97% of web sites in your sector.

The term "Your trusted advisor" is all but meaningless online. Make yours have meaning. Then, you are not competing with the rest of the Internet (well, maybe with 0.03% of your niche) but instead with real trusted people, like financial advisers.

There is a lot of money there, and the Internet isn't getting any of it, because whereas people (rightly) pay for people in real life that they trust, people (rightly) don't go online for the same thing.
In my humble opinion, I think most these comments miss the root problem which is getting paid for the work. I know I am not supposed to plug own companies, but since we have been dealing with this very issue at the platform and process level, I will chime in with what we know. We decided that the way to go was pre-payment - ie work only begins when funds are in hand. The next questions is how to break down the chunk of work to make it easy for a project owner to pay and yet meaningful enough to the developer. We settled on a week's worth of time. Ie a developer in GroupTalent can submit a "sprint" of a week's duration working as many hours a developer would like to work in that week (most settle around 20-30hrs).

I am personally exploring a new twist in this process with the ability to force customer requirements into user stories and let developers charge for implementing a number of these stories in the same prepayment model.

hope this helps
Whoah. I had a few vim configs from a while back, but hadn't checked for anything new. Thanks! :Fmt, :Import/:Drop, and :Godoc are glorious.
Valid or not, the point is undermined by the author's abrasive response to counterpoint: https://twitter.com/mattgemmell/status/227818567851180032
Well, I can tell you it was. The GPL only forces you to distribute the code to whoever got the binaries, and employees don't count. So internal distribution is pretty much "do what you want".
Having a centralized efficient 20v transformer could actually lead to better efficiency overall. A low voltage DC-DC converter can be far above 80% efficiency without any fancy components.

And when I called 120v adapters messy I meant for the kind of thing I see that runs off 20v. Relatively high-powered computers and game consoles and monitors.
Um, yes it is. How about the fact that that particular image is at least 3 years old?

here is an article from nov 2009
http://www.tuexperto.com/2009/11/05/intel-no-desarrollara-el...

and many more
http://www.tineye.com/search/d582fc65885700337f2c3ade01878bc...
Does Java's license still forbid its use in medical equipment, aviation systems and nuclear facility control?

Java is GPL licensed now, so no.
The workers at Iran's nuclear facilities are free to just do whatever the hell they want now and if they get busted they can blame it on US/Israeli hackers.
Thank you, I was also looking for futureofwebdesign.com/new-york-2012/ maybe. Just trying to find the right one!
That is a power that, in the past, Craigslist has used for good. In this case, it's a power being used just for the benefit of Craigslist to protect its network effect incumbency, to the detriment of users.
Come back and tell us about it sometime. Turing Festival is going great guns.

http://www.turingfestival.com/
1. In the past even five years, we've seen huge changes and experiments in business models (just saying that these have been tried at scale in the past 5 years). Some have been successful, others have not: In-app purchases (Zynga), SaaS (37 Signals), Freemium (DropBox), Daily Deals (Groupon), Early Advantage Buying (Pinboard), User's Choose (HumbleBundle), Razor/Blades (Nexus 7, PSP), $.99 (iTunes, Google Play) etc. I'm not arguing that free is always better than paid, just that in app.net's case, it probably is.

2. The core difference between "MySpace + Facebook" vs. "Twitter + App.Net" is that the reason (at least published) why App.Net is better is because it isn't supported by ads (& that the Twitter team is focused on how to sell ads diminishing the importance of the user). I don't believe that this is a strong enough reason to change my user behavior.

3. Subtle differences can be meaningful. Agreed.

I guess who knows what will happen with app.net but I think the great biz model experiment will only accelerate in general.
It's a control issue. If you start a new subreddit, you "own" that subreddit, and can control posts etc. Also, since you're a mod, your posts garner more attention.
LOL love the doormat remark. It's so true. I think your payment system markup makes a lot of sense. People often do not fully appreciate that a lot of us do freelance for needed extra money, so their withholding of payment is actually pretty problematic for many of us. As long as your markup policy is written into the contract, I think your process is brilliant.
The speakers blared Thuderstruck this time Iranians, next time it will be a Creed/Nickleback marathon. Don't be that country.
Hollister cheap
Relevant, and good read: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/mac-mcclelland-f...
Alright, perhaps one can argue the name is too close.

But craiggers provides a very valuable service, namely showing pictures of items as you search. It made furniture searching so much easier.

I have zero sympathy for craigslist. They didn't get into their position through "years of hard work". They won the lottery (someone had to win it). They have done zero innovation (other than maybe anti-spam) for years and prevent others from innovating on top. Society wins if they are forced to open their data.
More often than not, I find being able to share visual information gets thrown at a side-tool that the community adopts for this specific purpose. Something like Google Docs (drawing doc) or some whiteboard app.

What, if any, efforts are made to find a solution like this (or related)?
The Assumption Pile
Not Batman, but Ironman: I hope one day in the future we will have personal assistants like JARVIS.
Seems you're right.

But that makes me wonder where they are adding the pins, there doesn't seem to be room (unless it's inside the connector, with two rows of pins).
Removing my original comment due to an excess of sarcasm and not actually having read all the claims. The first claim did leave me, um, rather unimpressed.

I suppose now I'll have to wade through the whole thing, when I get a chance.
Hollister boys
> In fact, you can break this law without even knowing that someone else thought of the idea first.

This is the biggest flaw with the current patent system. The reality is if an invention falls into this category, it should not be patentable. Raising the barrier of "obviousness" to a level requiring an invention be transformative to the point that, within the term of the patent, the likelihood that anyone else independently invents the same thing is sufficiently small would go a long way to addressing these problems.
I currently own, but my last place was rented in 2010 without Craigslist. It's entirely possible.
Exciting! I'm glad you are trying to start something up. Maybe a more dedicated site would foster a stronger community later down the line. Are there any existing places that do this?
> It is obvious that smaller sites like PadMapper want to slowly try and chip away at Craiglist content

It's not Craigslist's content. It's our content, the general public's. Craigslist is just a caretaker. Right now, it's a caretaker acting in its own interests against the public's.
I've never read my credit card TOS, so I don't have to pay my bills right?
almost all of these communities have community colleges or junior colleges nearby (less than an hour away)
Congrats, you've summed up every debate ever. I guess we can shut down this website, huh?

How about, "People who want to violate my property rights by crippling the digital devices I own (and/or refusing to let me own such open devices in the first place) because they'd make a little more money that way are morally wrong."
Nope, doesn't suck for sellers, at least in seller's markets (SF), they don't have to do anything other than list, and renters will flood in.

Due to various factors (demographics, etc.), sellers also tend to be not the most tech savvy people. I can't believe that it is not standard procedure to post a video walk-through these days. A lot of listings lack even a photo.
why isn't craigslist doing that then instead of suing someone who found a way to attract users and media attention?
I have been tinkering with Go for a couple months and I've been so impressed with it I'm about to start a real production server using it. It has all the low-level functionality of C with some very useful features added, like garbage collection, string manipulation, new data types like slices and channels, and of course threading.

The main downside is that there are not a lot of libraries available. If you want to use the language you will find yourself using 3rd party wrappers off github of unknown quality, and you will probably have to wrap some C libraries yourself, because no one else has.

Also, both the garbage collection and the goroutine scheduler could use some work. Like most other garbage-collected languages, Go's GC has to stop all threads in the program while it does its work, causing milliseconds of lag. This makes the language unsuitable for realtime work like a fast-paced video game.

The goroutine scheduler works using a fixed-size thread pool. You have to tell it how many threads to use - by default programs are single-threaded. It has no ability to lower the thread count when the system is under heavy load, or to raise the thread count when most threads are unproductively waiting on network IO.

Despite these minor problems it is amazingly full-featured for a compiled language, and amazingly fast for a full-featured language. They are actively working on improving the garbage collection and they plan to improve the thread scheduler.
Since Padmapper is going through a third party - did they actually agree to the TOU?
Thanks to all who answered.
It worked for AirBnB.
Possible != practical in all cases.
>Many startups have begun knowing they were going to be sued

Name one startup that began knowing they were going to be sued and went on to a successful exit.

Parenthetically, the original Napster, the one that began knowing it would be sued, was sold about 3 years after its founding for less than $2.5 million as part of bankruptcy proceedings -- and I doubt that the owners took any significant dividends out of its before its sale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napster#Current_status
A python wrapper of Refer.ly REST API
You think it's morally wrong for companies to sell products that can't be modified after the purchase transaction. That's fine, but reasonable people can disagree on that point, so I'd recommend not trying to shame people into agreeing with you.
Is this an exchange of stock primarily? i.e. airbnb gives the original investors $20M in stock or something, and cashes the founders a bit of $? I'm curious how this would work as well.
A centralized transformer wouldn't work well. First you would have to run a lot of very fat wires in order to serve all the outlets.

But worse, power supplies have an optimum efficiency, usually at around the 75% usage point. If you have a power supply large enough to power everything, it's not efficient enough to power just a few things.

> And when I called 120v adapters messy I meant for the kind of thing I see that runs off 20v. Relatively high-powered computers and game consoles and monitors.

And I still don't see what's messy about it. Those things would anyway need a power supply to convert the 20v to whatever they use. You could just as easily put in a 120v power supply (and use thinner wires).
...any more. Now they are using a third party, but at the time Craigslist sent the C&D they were scraping the site directly.
I thought about moving but I couldn't get past them using 'visitors' as a tier function in their pricing and also claiming 'unlimited' bandwidth those things are opposites to me. Is that unique visitors or page views?
So how does that "accountability" feature look to you. Is that like a community that's completing the course at the same time? Or maybe a simulated coach that shoots encouragement at you?
I believe most sites that reach really-really-big scale will have to start the technology carousel for optimization and etc... it's kinda hard to resolve this, because it seems to be a point of really massive scale while other's that are "very big" could be doing well
Why This Mediocrity Di?
Are you familiar with mint.com?
Never Re-install Windows Again
you should probably stop free-lancing.
Formal access control model defined in terms of application structure?
That's entirely possible of course. Hence my wording. I keep hoping to hear they have the centrifuges singing, that would be a very worthy hack :-)
This method is simple, but incorrect. Google Play purchases are bound to account, not to device. If you purchase something and then install on your phone and tablet, you get two hits and single purchase, but both copies are legitimate.
There ought to be a rule that when someone reaches for the dictionary in a debate they've already lost. I keep seeing this on HN - a dictionary is probably the worst place go find out about what a word really means.
"You automatically grant and assign to CL, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant and assign to CL, a perpetual, irrevocable, unlimited, fully paid, fully sub-licensable (through multiple tiers), worldwide license to copy, perform, display, distribute, prepare derivative works from (including, without limitation, incorporating into other works) and otherwise use any content that you post. You also expressly grant and assign to CL all rights and causes of action to prohibit and enforce against any unauthorized copying, performance, display, distribution, use or exploitation of, or creation of derivative works from, any content that you post (including but not limited to any unauthorized downloading, extraction, harvesting, collection or aggregation of content that you post)."

http://www.craigslist.org/about/terms.of.use
If a client up-front with me and tells me that they will be late paying, then I'll usually happily give them extension. The problem occurs when clients ignore the invoice, or think that they can get away with paying it at their leisure (whenever that may be).

In practice, my clients have either negotiated better contracts paid on time (I've not had an issue with any client who's negotiated); or paid up the original amount as soon as I mentioned activating this clause.
Introduce the prospective technical cofounder to 10 potential customers, who can clearly and persuasively articulate (a) the pain they currently experience and (b) the bliss they would experience if the proposed company would talke off.
"So I believe that the biggest problems on both Android and iOS are pricing and discovery. Piracy is a problem, but not as much as pricing and discovery, IMO."

I completely agree with you.
jwz said the same thing:
http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/11/watch-a-vc-use-my-name-to-se...

> What is true is that for a VC's business model to work, it's necessary for you to give up your life in order for him to become richer.

Let's get a movement going here.
There's no Constitutional right to a practical apartment hunt, either.
Exactly right. And if you want your data to be reposted on another site, then you should repost it.

Craigslist is delivering exactly what it its users signed up for (no more no less). People posting ads on Craigslist do not necessarily want or intend for it to be reposted on other sites.
I'd enjoy an FP exclusive for sure. It would be a great excuse for a place to hash out both philosophical as well as practical conjectures
And as a user you can put your information up on PadMapper if you like. If you don't, then it isn't up to PadMapper to get it for you.
It's in Europe but FP Days is now in its second year aimed explicitly at commercial FP developers and with a multi-language approach.

http://www.fpdays.net/fpdays2012/index.php
http://fpday.net/fpday2011/

I think the different language communities can learn from each other hence the multi-language focus.
How do people opt-in to allow their comments to be shared on sites other than HN? Or is this strictly opt-out and, if so, what is the opt-out mechanism?
Redfin already has property taxes and mortgage rates, it just doesn't bother to put taxes in the calculator, for unknown reasons. Doesn't have the credit score stuff, but that's not really relevant -- if you have poor credit, buying a house anywhere near your affordability boundary is likely a huge mistake anyway.
> "If he's not "legally not in the right," why should I be helping him (doesn't that imply casting a judgement - that PadMapper is elevated above CraigsList because it's "the best apartment rental interface our there")?"

Because legal right and moral right sometimes intersect, but not nearly always.

Because once in a blue moon somebody comes along and creates something with such enormous public good that it forces us to reconsider the context of both legal and moral righteousness.
You should read that link:

the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a compilation work such as a database must contain a minimum level of creativity in order to be protectable under the Copyright Act.

The Supreme Court (...) held that Rural's white pages are not entitled to copyright protection, since the white pages did not meet the statutory requirement for originality under 17 U.S.C. §102(a).

Cragslist is completely automated. There's absolutely no creativity involved.

Craigslist invested in the infrastructure to enter, store, and display this information. They should be able to set their terms as to how it is used in aggregate.

Unfortunately for them, "sweat of the brow" doesn't afford copyright protection in the US.
I don't think you understand Redis. Redis is also a key-value store, but implements a variety of structures, not just RTree, and has a large number of operations on those data structures (http://redis.io).

Spacebase appears to be a significantly more primitive KV store that implements RTree. Not that that's bad; looks interesting, even though it appears that the product won't be free, and so in my opinion is probably doomed.

Using 'Redis' in the title is just embarrassing for Spacebase and, by extension, for YC too. No need to troll the professional developer community with ridiculous comparisons.
1) anecdotal self praise. That a startup (one!) that got acquired used Lisp doesn't prove anything. Many many more succesful startups did not. And its not like it was the most intriguing technologically or acquisition-value wise.

2) "A library for almost anything" (and lot of them abandoned or half done) != multiple libraries for everything and then some.

3) I wouldn't put forward elisp as an example of a good functional language. Actually it's crap. And Emacs is not more powerful that Eclipse or IntelliJ, except if you mean "has lots of hohum plugins and ome good ones".
Strategies for Overcoming Startup Depression
Which version of OAuth 2? It's not standardized, new drafts are issued regularly, many of them backwards-incompatible.
This makes sense if you're assuming the security legislation comes only from an honest effort to fight terrorism. Whatever else we disagree on, I think we're past that on HN.
How could transfers from Google to Amazon be so much faster than from Google to Google?
The general public gave it to Craigslist under readily available terms. The general public is free to also give it to your service, but that's up to them.
Yes you did post some facts about your listing to CL, it is also well within Craigslists right to allow others to copy it or not. Just because you supplied the data to CL doesn't mean you can dictate to them how they should run their business.
There are huge barriers preventing landlords from listing their apartments outside of craigslist. Nothing is as popular, so why waste the time?

I think you have a flawed idea of what constitutes "huge barriers". The only thing stopping them from listing elsewhere is a cost-benefit analysis? I weep.
>within the term of the patent, the likelihood that anyone else independently invents the same thing is sufficiently small //

The problem then is that there is little to no incentive for the applicant to share the idea. If it's something no one will come up with, then you can keep it secret and benefit from an indefinitely extended monopoly.

The quid pro quo of patents is early information about new inventions in exchange for limited time monopoly. Here you're encouraging inventors/companies to prefer industrial secrets.

If inventions meet your requirements but are kept secret then the public domain will be worse off as no one gets the benefit of being able to privately use/research the invention unless it can be replicated. With a patent the full details are disclosed.

Obviousness is very difficult to assess because some things that took many years developing are so ingenious that they seem obvious. The applicant always has the argument - if it were so obvious how come, in such a well worked field, with such demand for this invention, how come it wasn't already developed? The answer of course is that it wasn't "obvious" [to the skilled practitioner with knowledge of the prior art in the relevant domain].
> If you truly need the data, then you need Craigslist and you have an obligation to use it the way they (and only they) want you to use it.

This is what we call a monopoly. Many people (apartment hunters in this context) need to use Craigslist because there are no viable alternatives. Just like you have to pay your local utility for water or power -- there are alternatives, but not viable ones.

And a two-sided monopoly is a very real monopoly.

The difference is that other monopolies get regulated; Craigslist is not. Given their current behavior, I'd strongly support a law that explicitly denies craigslist any exclusive right to their listing data.
Yea, I'm with you. I'm actually an awful web developer, so I figured I'd gauge interest with a sub-Reddit. There's a ton of room for resources (see below).

On July 30th in SF I'm organizing an "Map-a-thon" to put together a hardware resources map (like where to buy electronics, metal, etc. locally) for the SF area using a simple gMaps embed and some KMLs.

There also needs to be a "CrunchBase for hardware" because no one tags things "hardware" - it's always "fitness", "maker" or whatever category they're targeting.

We're also doing a survey soon to get some case studies on how people are building these companies.

Finally, we're looking at putting together a knowledge base for how to make things like "How to Design for Injection Molding" - etc. It's easy to find "How to Build X in Rails" tutorials - we need the same for our community.