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It's interesting.

I've been running that survey for a little while, with a non-HN audience. More than 50% use more than one provider, and people managing more than 10 servers (who I presume are doing it for a business) don't seem any less likely.

(Thanks for all the answers BTW. I especially liked the OrionVM vs Ninefold comparison someone did in a comment - I'm from Australia, and for various reasons are reasonably familiar with the offering available. Alex from OrionVM is on HN, too)
Just stick with 1.0a?
I spend 30 Minutes trying to find the "magic .NET" option.
If they have "private beta" features dont advertise them or clearly mark them as private.

This just leaves a very bad taste and wasted my time and probably time of a lot of other devs.

Are this the same guys that got "owned by a teenager", http://blog.phpfog.com/2011/03/22/how-we-got-owned-by-a-few-... ?

Already two big red flags for me.
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When I started out using computers, an adult explained it to me using a shelf as a metaphor: The drive is a shelf. You can have multiple shelves. Shelves have compartments, which contain things. Some of those things can contain other things, like boxes or folders. Made the nesting rather obvious to me.
That might be the case but it's irrelevant to the point I was making, that physical metaphors are cognitively useful to provide an alternative structure/index to experiences/information. Your example is a good one because we have lost this particular physical metaphor in the move towards CDs and more so regarding MP3s. But the web has its own set of metaphors, and web browsing as a journey is a pretty powerful and entrenched one.
Not to comment on how it works in a UI, but my chest of drawers at home does indeed have two levels, there is a smaller drawer (for socks) inside the main top drawer.
I think computer scientists need data points before making proclamations like "most people don't like folders".
Sure you do, it's common in any sort of industry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_materials
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> DRM corporations? Certainly...

How so?
I completely agree but I would add that a lot of people start out by using folders but it needs a little care and attention to keep it all organized so they end up with a few folders that contain everything.

The beauty of a filesystem is that it is somewhat independent of the applications that use it. So if your photo app index gets borked then you haven't really lost anything too valuable - apart from any meta data that is not stored in the image itself. Put everything in a database and you risk bricking the entire computer as far as the user is concerned. Of course this applies to files and folders as well but these are a little more battle tested.

Way back in the early 1990s Microsoft's Cairo was supposed to be based on an object database which got rid of files and folders. Sine this is a relatively old idea I'd be interested to know why folders have not been replaced yet.
It's pretty easy going until the last chapter, I thought.

Maybe a month or two, depending on how much free time you have and how many exercises you decide to do. More if you're an exercise completionist. I only did the ones I thought sounded interesting, honestly.
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Indeed but not quite.

Inside drawers you have shelves.
On the shelves you have boxes.
In the boxes you have folders, envelopes, files...

There's more: in the files you have pictures, frames, tables
I played mostly LAN matches in the first few years of the game's release, and recall being consistently done in by my friend's horde of those dastardly (Undead) spiders. The heroes were useful and could turn the tide of a game, but I can't forget how much strategy, more so than tactics, was involved in our battles. They were always epic, hard-fought, and intense until the last peon's unfortunate death; though over-powered, the heroes were just another unit in our war, and pinned against an opposing hero, no more useful than a grunt attacking another grunt.
Jesus Christ, iPhoto lock-in is one of the most scummy things Apple has ever done. You don't have to be a CS student to feel the need to easily move a bunch of photos easily from your local computer to an external storage device or even upload in batch to something like picasa. By completely blocking the user from the directory structure, Apple made sure people would share the iPhoto albums only with a select few that Apple had chosen for us.
This means I'd need just around 4 minutes to download Mountain Lion sigh
Agreed. For example trees of source code seem to fit the hierarchical structure very well, because it can (almost) map directly to projects, modules, submodules and classes, and conveniently separate them from e.g. build products or configuration files. Trees are not evil, but they are not the holy grail of file management either.

From a historical point of view, a traditional filesystem with a database layer on top seems to be the most logical way to go. Personally, I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if someone did it the other way around: create a whole new way of organizing files that doesn't use trees, and allow layering some kind of 'tree view' on top of that.
Maybe we should call them matryoshkas?
The rather excellent Foobar2000 for Windows has a library view that lets you switch between folder structure and tagged properties (album, artist, genre etc)
Truly? So, what is the best way to make a hierarchy of, say MP3s:

- year-performer-composer-star rating

- genre-year-song title

- album title-song title

- ...

You get the same problem almost everywhere. Is it year-project or project-year or maybe customer-year-quarter-project?

Yes, for many tasks, a tree is a good way to structure information. The problem is that the choice of tree can be widely different for different tasks (for example, 'that song you played last week', 'that minute-long guitar riff by X')

I think a hierarchy should be like an index in a database: set by an expert to match the most common access pattern, but not enforcing other access patterns. Hierarchical file systems are good at the former, but atrocious at the latter.

And we sort-of already have WinFS, in the form of full-text indexes on file systems.
> "Non-geeks don't have the time, interest or inclination to catalogue and curate these sorts of structures."

Define non-geek then. Unless you mean "people who have too few items to need organization", I think that's wrong. I've met plenty of not super bright people who had for example a perfectly organized garage or apartment. I dare say it has nothing to do with geekyness. There's even tidy kids.. they cannot even program a computer, they cannot reach the cookie jar like I can, but they can and do organize the stuff they care about, in ways they care about.

> "The list that the author gives of everyday items that are easy to use ("cupboards, Tupperware, boxes, closets, pockets, wallets") all have the common property that they are not recursive"

What? You can put tupperware into a box, and put that into the cupboard. Usually, this is located in a house which is located in a street, which is in a city. And so on. The levels of nesting, nobody counted them.. but most everybody navigates them just fine.
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I don't know. I think that at a certain point people have to accept that there are just some things must be learned in order to operate a computer. It would be nice if computers could just read the mind of the user, but until then, the user must learn some things about how the computer operates. Folders, I think, is one of those things.

In the end, some knowledge is required. If we remove folders, then that knowledge will change from "What is a folder, and where did I put that file?" to "What is an application, and which one did I use to create that file, and how do I get that file from one application to another?" (Think word processing program to email attachment.)

Either way, the end user has to learn something. We can continue dumbing down concepts and interfaces with the noble goal of making it easier for the people who just don't want to understand how computers work (let's face it, learning basic folder manipulation isn't hard, especially with Google--or a manual or family member, for those who can't even use Google), but there will always be a lazier person, and eventually we'll end up dumbing things down until they become useless.

Maybe the better solution is to have a better "Home" folder concept. I don't know how it is in OSX, but in Windows the home folder is a confusing collection of sample files, folder-spam from other apps, and "library" views that masks the entire concept, but only sometimes. Fixing that mess and making it more like, say, a Linux home folder (/home/acabal/videos/) would be a good starting point without losing the usefulness of folders altogether.
Somewhere further down in this discussion raising money was called an interessting way to pay salaries (or something along these lines). And for me there lies some truth in it. For a certain growth rate one needs external funding to keep the business running in a pace that wouldn't be possible on income alone. The problem is, at least from my point of view, that it's a tempting idea to do all the growth on funding instead of income. And then it's only a small step to hold funding in a higher esteem than income and profits. A view I for my part I see kind of reinforced by the tone of the TC article.

Again I agree that to build the next Google or whatever funding is necessary. But focusing in funding as the only source of cash for a business and as an IPO as the only way to make a profit is equaly dangerous.

But I think you that's more or less in line with your essays on fund raising. If not I understood them wrong, so feel free to correct me!
The key issue of disclosure - your 3rd step - happens at A-publication which is usually quite some time prior to the patent being granted but still can be a couple of years after the filing date. (this is the source of many of the 'I can't believe they granted this patent' articles because the A-document is printed from the submission prior to substantive examination).

I don't know about the US situation but in the UK Section 64 of the Patents Act (http://www.ipo.gov.uk/pro-types/pro-patent/p-law/p-manual/p-... and http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1977/37/section/64) allows a person to continue activity which was started prior to the grant of a patent in secret or where sufficient preparations for that [infringing] activity were made prior to the application/grant in good faith. If the activity wasn't in secret then it forms part of the prior art and invalidates, or forces amendment of, the patent in question.

If there isn't an equivalent US clause I'd be surprised: 35 U.S.C. 273 "Defense to infringement based on earlier inventor." looks like a candidate.
Well, if you do not have any mp3 or video files on your hard drive anymore, if all of that is in the cloud, then it will be much easier to enforce copyrights (and censorship, and surveillance, by the same way).
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They also have a 1000mbps plan. First world countries really dragging there feet on fibre networks.
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(Maybe you were just being ironical and funny... but you know.. Poe's axiom and all. Hard to tell apart what's irony and what's misinformation without a smiley ;-) )
Here is what went wrong with python modules.
http://blog.doughellmann.com/2007/11/requiring-packages-with-distutils.html

Python IMO replaced fighting platform dependencies with fighting distribution tool dependencies. The abundance of setup tools like distutils, setuptools, easy_install, ez install, whatever the others are called, just shows that it wasn't done right in the first place and we're still paying for that now. Here's a question: Why should setup tools even introduce new syntax like 'install_requires' to the source code? Shouldn't this be done in a setup config file instead? There is a reason why for installing compiled code we have configure AND make/make install.
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That's just pure BS. If you want to get your photo's out of iPhoto, all you have to do is select them, and drag them to wherever you want to have them.

If anything, iPhoto is the poster child for applications that do not need hierarchical file systems. Sometimes I want to have all photo's for a certain event, sometimes I want all photo's that are less than a year old, sometimes I want all photo's that have my cat on them, and so on. How does a tree-like organization of pictures facilitate making subselections like that?

You are just taking your allergy to applications that manage your files in ways that are incompatible with you messing around on the file system, and making an argument in favor of hierarchical file systems out of it.
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That is touching my open source nerve, the penguins ought to be able to assemble something like this themselves.
But if you separate the two CSS files. One only containing image sprite data uri's which is loaded AFTER the site's content you would not get such delays.
Really? I understand they can only target one mobile platform in the beginning, they don't want to spread themselves too thin, but why is a mobile device a requirement?
The advertised benefit is reusing your code across platforms.
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You are not the only person to get confused by ASUS names, so I quite sympathize.

Someone I know nearly bought what they thought was a great deal on an IPS screen only to be off by a single character.

It was VS228H-P vs VS229H-P

Who names these things?
I do to an extent and that too on Windows. I have this watermarking software I developed 6 years ago and I keep updating it whenever I get time and its on an auto pilot. People buy, download, I get money in bank. I am considering doing it full time making a Mac desktop version and iPad one.

Desktop apps are here to stay. People will still do their business on a real desktop/laptop computer. Main advantages are larger screen and large physical keyboard. If you want to process a video, photos or type a 10 page legal contract - you would rather do it on a full sized computer than on a mobile phone or a tablet. So there will always be a market for software for desktop computers.
For more context about Alex, he participates in a good episode of the podcast: This Developer's Life. http://thisdeveloperslife.com/post/1-0-7-audacity.
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> Gmail made a move away from folders

You are equalling emails with files, which is not within the point of the OP.

Files are things you store for reuse. Emails are mostly things you should throw right away after reading them. Some emails should become files because they are important. That's why in "normal companies" most people work with attachments, which is a gigantic PITA, but fit with the "Files are important things I need to store for reuse" model.
Wrong target populace for that kind of news I think. These investments are (without regarding the amount of it) are business as usual, in Start-Up land as well as in Big Pharma land.

What makes the one billion interessting for HN are 1. it quite a sum 2. from an investment point of view a good indicator for success (only since you can estimate the overall value of the portfolio, success for the individual companies is something completely different) and last but not least it's pg and YC companies.
> start broad and then home in on a file even if you have no clue about the filename or what the file contains or even the type of the file

But this file system does not construct itself and if you made a mistake while sorting a file you hit the search field after a while anyway, because you can't find the file in any subfolder.
You're right, a mixture of both will probably the next step. But it seemed to me that MS isn't trying something new with windows 8 and the metro interface, did they?
Unless you go searching in the history you'll never even know about all the missing content.

And yes, it is staggering, I am not exaggerating given that I've personally restored quite a number of pages - some of them have sat completely gutted of content for a year.
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> Couldn't he have taken on the lead role of R&D? Of an experimental dev arm etc...

A startup generally is an experimental dev company. Startups execute their roadmap. If they don't have focus, especially when they're tackling something as big as banking, they die.

> There are lots of opps he could have taken.

Sure. But it's hard/impossible to move down the food chain once you've been at the top.

> Sure, It might not have been a good role, but sounds like there were relationship issues as well.

I didn't get that from Alex's post. I got "not doing enough programming, wife and I miss San Francisco"

> I wouldn't imagine his cut and run solely on "I cant program enough" -- He had to be either under performing or frustrated with the others' lack of leadership/performance/flexibility/ability to listen/you-name-it

You got all that from "personal reasons"? :)
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Well without a tree structure you're still going to have an issue with the names.

Personally I use Album Artist/Album/DiscTrack. Artist - Title.ext

But say we did away with folders - you'd have to put all that data in the filenames to sort properly anyway!
It's not really an ideal situation that software distribution would be a high-margin business in the first place. Typically you want distribution and infrastructure businesses to be competitive spaces with prices driven down towards costs, since they're just overhead from the perspective of getting stuff from sellers to buyers.

Does "low-margin" for software really make sense? These aren't physical goods that have a inherent value. The "cost" of any given piece of software is the price you are willing to pay the people building it.
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When I see people struggle with folders, it's these two things:

- System, Application and Settings storage folders that the typical user really shouldn't have to see in the first place

- Predefined directory structures like "My Documents" that the user didn't create themselves. Especially when apps crud things up even more with subdirectories with files the user didn't create themselves and can't edit themselves (on my Mac I have "EyeTV Archive", "Final Cut Pro Documents", "iChats", etc... these should be hidden in Library folders until the user exports them). The Desktop is among these. Storing files on the Desktop shouldn't be possible.

If when new users got a computer, the only storage visible was a completely blank home folder, I think a lot of this confusion would disappear. It's not nesting of folders per-se that's the problem, it's that there's a ton of shit there from the beginning that the user has no idea what it is, where they are right now, and where their document will go. When the user created everything themselves and applications don't save documents go into special folders by default, I think a lot of that confusion is gone.

In this world, users who don't understand folders won't create them, and so they won't be confronted with the complexity. The "app silo" model could be emulated by app open dialogs only showing files created by the app itself by default.

Personally, I hate the app silo model. I like having a folder per project with all the related files in it. If I'm working on a report, I want to be able to quickly get to the text chapters, the graphs, my data sources, etc without jumping between apps so much.
There's already a pretty good amount of Steam games that have native Linux versions[1], at least one developer has already announced a port of an existing game to Linux through Steam[2], and the company that handles a lot of Mac "ports" (via a Wine-like layer) has a Linux version of said layer pretty much ready to go[3].

It's not gonna be a wasteland by any measure.

[1] http://steamlinux.flibitijibibo.com/index.php?title=Native_G...

[2] http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/25/serious-sam-3-bfe-runs-scr...

[3] TransGaming makes Cider: http://transgaming.com/cider and Cedega/GameTree Linux: http://gametreelinux.com/
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The fact that most accidents are caused by licensed drivers[0], though, is an interesting discussion point.

[0] I don't have any data to back this up, it just seems reasonable...
Absolutely. The knee-jerk reaction of the author is painful. Mindless copying of what went before is how we end up with bad ideas being repeated over and over. When we try new things the good will survive, and the bad will be improved or removed. When we merely copy, we maintain the status quo. I'm glad to see Apple innovating, and I'd love a system which mostly gets rid of folders to be a success. Let's watch this space.

It took about 10 years for my mother, a daily Windows user, to understand folders. I lost count of how many times I explained it. The previous generation seem to particularly struggle with digitally-native concepts.

Folders are of course a broken metaphor. In the real world folders are not placed inside other folders - it makes no sense! The entire file concept is anachronistic, why do I care how the document is stored? Why do I even have to save? Why can't I undo after closing and re-opening a program? Why a I forced to give a document a name on disk when it already has a title? Etc...

Over the years I've moved from a fairly hierarchical arrangement of my files to one closer to maybe two levels (source code excluded), the congnitive burden is so much less - it's the advent of indexed search which has made this possible.