skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Right, I would have preferred a quiet roll out, until large metro areas were ready to go live. It's going to be at least 2013 before most of us even have the option to use it.

Sort of like hearing that the new Android upgrade is available, but only international phones for the next year, and your phone might not even support the new version.
> every person would have more bandwidth than they knew what to do with.

I think that is exactly the point. That's why they are doing this; Google doesn't know what exactly will happen when everyone in the USA/world has fiber connections, but they do know that incredible innovation will come. What kind of applications will be built? What kind of applications can be built?

Couple this with the increasing computing power inside each home over the next many years, and Google will have control over an unbelievably fast and large network of computers.

I'd be certain most applications are in the weak-to-strong AI arena.
Not sure if this is at all relevant, but a judge ruled in 2005 that distributing GPL software for free is not anti-competitive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_v._International_Busine...
It WFM now. Hope you get it working soon as well!
"Can they even do that by the way (anti-monopoly regulations)?"

Yes - Google does not (A) Have a monopoly in providing Internet to the home and (B) they are not attempting to leverage their monopoly in search (which they _are_ pretty close to having) in order to achieve dominance in another market.

I think they are clear from an anti-trust position.
Interesting thread. When I learnt music theory (as an adult) the way I was taught is that there is a correct way to go about writing a tune to pass the exam, and that if you evaluate the tune through these criteria it will also sound good. And that you can then reuse these techniques to write more sophisticated and interesting music for other purposes.

I have liked the idea that you can do this creative thing, but come up with something which is validly good to an objective criteria. Somewhat like the market - something that makes money within the law has a certain fitness to it. Or code. There's different ways to go about it, but things that don't compile are broken.

It separates valid creativity from the mind poison of "all opinions are equally valid".

Stories are one of the most important things about being human. When we encounter a situation we have to think about, particularly if we don't have rational mechanisms for evaluate it, we fall back to stories. Fiction can be a great way to distil ideas, and create context for thinking about interactions between humans, and give us a foundation for interacting in real-world situations based on good examples.

But some are better suited than others. Fifteen years on I'm still trying to work out what the essence was of _The Great Gatsby_ and what his point was. You struggle to find a point that you'd make to an examiner, and there's never quite enough evidence to support it. I've decided that Fitzgerald books are a cloud of atmosphere. The author is just trying to communicate a picture of a setting, and in parts his feelings. I could now write a great essay about his brilliant mechanisms, and place that in the context of his times. But - as much as you might enjoy or hate the book, or identify with characters inside - there's nothing else there to share with an examiner.

Whereas Shakespeare is full of clear, valuable, timeless messages. He racks up evidence for the points he wants to make, the situations are timeless, and the soliloquays will keep you brave through the darkness. For a great article about Mandela and Shakespeare in The Australian recently, google for 'The Bard's role at Robben Island' and click through.

If you get a basic Kindle you can get a fair bit stuff cheaply. And there's lots of old books on amazon that cost 0.01 unit of your currency, plus postage. Better would be if you could find someone who you like and who likes books in a non-wanky way, and then they can lend books to you they recommend. Then you can have lunch with them and talk about it every now and then. A friend convinced me not to start an economics program, and instead do this for economic history, and it was a good experience.
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The main reason to use grep is portability/availability. While a modern improvement to grep (yes, I'm an ack user and fan too) you can't simply depend on it in portable scripts and such.

grep is defined for POSIX after all: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/gre...

I also suspect (without looking) that there are obscure (but occasionally useful) grep features that ack doesn't support.
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Intuition is learned.

Something is intuitive not because it’s universally understood but because we have learned the meaning of it from a holistic point of view. This requires lots and lots of experience and, for that matter, trial and error.

Metaphors are only meaningful in retrospect.

Don’t count on the physical-looking button to be intuitive just because it’s a metaphor from real life. Once you tell someone what a specific element means, they will most probably understand it, but not because of the metaphor itself.

There are no Bablefish in UX

Designing products and services is like speaking French. Not everyone understands it. Comprenez-vous? The noob might pick up a word here and there, but they aren’t, by any metrics, comfortable with participating in the conversation.

This all leads to the following conclusion:

Intuitive interaction is for experts, not for noobs
Understanding something intuitively really means that you understand it holistically. If you understand it holistically, you can fill in the gaps. This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make your design intuitive or improve on it—not at all. Just understand that you are doing it for the natives. not for the noobs.

http://000fff.org/anatomy-of-a-noob-why-your-mom-suck-at-com...
How is Google going to get past all the state and city monopolies?
Ah I see, sorry, I was just figuring out the logistics.

So, just to clear up any confusion, are you really recommending that it is preferable for Chinese citizens to drown in the Yangtze? Or is it only preferable for people who became Chinese citizens through some form of magical means, possibly involving a wizard?
I'd imagine it would get to Seattle sooner than later since there's a Google office here?
Does anyone know how they make money from the free option?
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Were you really expecting all that from a company called "Simple"? :P

Seriously, those are all nice features, and the check depositing is a must-have that I'm sure they're working hard on, but for me and most of my peers, all I really want is a debit card I don't have to think about. That's Simple.

Wow. Okay, this is totally crazy: I also signed up for an invite almost two years ago (when it was BankSimple), and just checked the old confirmation email to see the exact date-- literally as I'm writing this comment I have received, 0 minutes ago, an email inviting me to register. I guess I'll find out how it works :)
Isn't there just one definitive source for such a story anyway? What would be the way to avoid collisions with the HN submission duplicate detector?
Was it not clear from the story that she was able to review the code? It's GitHub… is this any better?

Mary is naturally skeptical at first. The "old" Mary would never have
considered
performing a release without testing it on her laptop first! However, since
her
code has 100% test coverage and Josh is a reliable community member and she
can
ensure that the tests have passed and she is able to review the code sanity
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security online via GitHub, she happily agrees to perform the release.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy)#Action...

Maybe?
Its $120/mo for:

* 1Gps Internet

* TV service

* A Nexus 7 tablet

* 2TB 'Storage' that has features that make is sound like a full NAS to me

* 1TB Google Drive (1TB dropbox would run ~$100/mo alone)

Its a bit more than your average TV+Internet package you'd get from a telco.
Wait, is this only in Kansas City? How long until everywhere gets it?
You can't develop on them?

Try this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui

with a Transformer or another Android tablet with a Bluetooth (or in some cases USB) keyboard.
...because?
Wow - impressive. Can't wait to say goodbye to comcast.
Except the developer takes a hit there, too. Given that not everyone needs every feature, users end up subsidizing each other's desired improvements as part of a major upgrade. On top of that, not all features have clear lines that can be drawn around them, technically or marketing-wise.

It's a great model for games and certain specific types of apps (Paper is very clever). But to push all apps onto this model is highly unrealistic.
I doubt studies really show any such thing. They probably showed that when fiber is rare in a residential area, it may add $10K to a house value. When it becomes common, it won't.
I might just be overcome with the sheer impressiveness of this but it feels like the real reason behind everything that Google has done over the last 5 or so years (Youtube, Android, Chromebook, buying dark fibre, Chrome, G+, tablets etc.) has suddenly come in to crystal clear focus. They're going for the jugular with a grand unified strategy the likes of which the tech industry has never seen before.
Yeah, Google's going to have to do a good job telling people their computers and NICs aren't going to cut it. It's amazing when you're limited by your machine instead of the internet!
You cannot develop on them, you cannot do work on them except for replying emails and browsing some webpages.

So? All the employees in our client companies do their work exclusively through email and internal webapps (which are hosted and developed on Linux). And that's true for a whole lot of companies.

I don't see why wouldn't an "Android workstation" - or Chrome OS, or similar - work for them.
How can I say this gently.. Windows 8 looks like ass. I don't know a single person running it today. Things do not look good for Microsoft in this release cycle. I don't think the following one will be any better.
I'd rather have Google as the only choice than Comcast/CenturyLink.
Yep, how much monitoring and data collection is Google doing here?

I wouldn't sign up for Google provided internet.
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If Google Fiber catches on, and you consider combining it with Google TV, Youtube content and Google TV Ads, the strategic possibilities are fascinating.

I wish I knew whether enough consumers are willing to pay to justify a large-scale infrastructure rollout. There is a whiff of that old saying here - Google engineers are great at building products for Google engineers.
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Okay so let's just stop with the "I'm right you're wrong!" stuff. I think what we need to do here is some research. Are those who classify themselves as "computer illiterate" more or less capable of understanding the concept of directories than those who are more technically inclined?

Until we have some real research into this, we're just making things up, and that's A Bad Thing.
That's like saying a carpenter that has an affinity for his saws and hammers is more of a physicist than a carpenter.
Meanwhile Verizon FIOS (fiber) is available in hundreds of cities. http://www.consumerfiber.com/fios-availability
Writerly writing, coderly code.
indeed. The scales of computing technologies have increased by many order of magnitude in their history, and it has never been "enough." Bill Gates infamously demonstrated the danger of predicting how much RAM/Clock speed/Bandwidth/etc. is "enough."

EDIT: fixed a rather wacky typo
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Is anything actually 'free' in this world?? I wonder how much of my data they will be using without my permission to serve me ads...although I guess targeted TV commercials are a heck of a lot better than random stuff I see now.

Double-edged sword if you ask me.
There's not inherently wrong with having "just a job" ...

I agree.

In the context of this conversation, finding good people is hard. There was an article in The Atlantic that discusses this basic idea and more:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/07/the-big-...

Here's a quote from the article that makes a good point:

... When firms were asked why they have difficulty hiring, 55% picked "lack of available applicants," but essentially the same percentage, 54%, said candidates are "looking for more pay than is offered" (many more than the 40% selecting lack of "hard" skill). This is an important reminder that the labor market is a market.

The labor market is a market.
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The most relevant, interesting part of this:

Parse's tutorial on how to do this yourself: https://parse.com/tutorials/anypic
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They solicited proposals from cities (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-ou..., http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/next-steps-for-our-ex...), and ended up choosing Kansas City as the initial site (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/ultra-high-speed-broa...).

It looks like they wanted a market with between 50,000 and 500,000 subscribers as the initial one, so not NYC or SF or LA. And, wanted strong local support to avoid regulatory problems.
I think PG highlighted that Apple doesn't get software back in 2009: http://www.paulgraham.com/apple.html

In that particular case he was lamenting the App Store approval process and how much it alienated developers. Here we are 3 years later with no change to that policy and no slowing down the App Store juggernaut.
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yes. They would have to dramatically decrease their bandwidth charges, and they'd have to lower their charges in general (just 'cause the barrier to entry for their competition would be lower) but if anything, having a fat pipe at home would make storing things remotely a lot more attractive.

Think about it; with that kind of a pipe, you could boot your desktop off of a drive in my datacenter, two cities away.
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One would think if this gets a decent adoption rate that they could/should offer such channels a more lucrative deal than what current providers offer. This all depends, of course, on how they can make money off this and how much.
How to market on HN:

- Write an interesting blog post and post it to HN
- Include a link to something you're selling
somewhere near the end of the post

There are so many people doing this it's unreal.
The rally concept is pretty neat. If your fiberhood gets enough registrations you will get the next install batch plus all schools, government buildings and other public establishments will get gigabit in your fiberhood.
Tests are complete BS. Most often written by some dork trying to impress themselves how much they know about some esoteric crap, rather than trying to see what you can do.
They're offering it to an entire city, a public website was always going to be necessary.
Also see Classdroid https://github.com/johnyma22/classdroid
By "suffer" do you mean "not make millions from their stock options"?

A lot of these regular people have quite good job prospects in other companies, perhaps even at a greater salary, but (I presume) chose Zynga because of the stock options.

Zynga is like a slot machine company -- bad business practices, and the product is not actually fun. If "regular people" invested in slot machines and that investment didn't work out, would you still call it "suffering"?

I say: let it fall apart, and get these engineers working on real problems.
> However, few practical applications benefit from persistence in practice so this is often not advantageous.

This statement is questionable.

What is true is this: many professional software developers are comfortable with imperative/OOP/mutability. This is easier (not simpler) because it's familiar. The benefits of immutability are not obvious/familiar.

Persistent data structures enable immutable data with cheap(ish) operations that can produce updated versions of that data. This means I can expose data to multiple threads, calling functions, etc... without worrying about that data being placed into an inconsistent state or viewed in an inconsistent state by callers.

Back when much of our profession malloc'ed their memory, we always had to answer the question "who is going to free() this chunk of the heap?" And when we answered wrong, or forgot to answer, we leaked memory. Garbage collectors, while imperfect from a controlability and performance standpoint, are much better at this than humans.

An excellent analogy exists with mutable data. When I expose a piece of mutable data via any public interface, I have to ask the question "who can change this data and how will consistency be enforced?" I'm left with the answer "I don't know, I hope no one gets it wrong" or even worse: "they better lock the right semaphore(s) in the correct order". Immutable data (implemented via persistent data structures) enables me to instead say "here's the data, if any caller would like to update, they can a) pass me an updated version which I can validate, or b) call into some part of my public interface and instruct me what update to make"

Or, in the case of Clojure (my blub at the moment), put the runtime in charge of maintaining consistency during mutation using refs and the STM.
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I'd use DropBox much MORE if I had more than 15 Mbit upstream. If I had 1 Gbit+ speeds, I'd use DropBox for EVERYTHING (5+ TB) and happily pay for it. As it stands now the upload would take far too long to be much use.
Now that we've got the technical part nailed, we just need a five minute way to get 30 million users. I know a lot of people who would pay for that service...
Apple can afford to stick to their guns on this, as most of their money is made on hardware. I highly doubt that GarageBand for iPhone makes a profit, for instance. They'll just release the new version at the same price. Most devs, even some big ones, don't have that luxury.
This would be awesome if it wasn't coming from Google. If they control the browser, a good chunk of websites/services and the delivery mechanism, there are just too many opportunities for abuse. Although, maybe this will force other telecom providers to stop sucking so much.
I would have signed up in a heartbeat. I grew up in KC but do not live anywhere near there now.

Come to Western Washington, Google!
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Of course price competition is a legitimate strategy wherever it occurs. I'm simply arguing that it may not be the most effective in the short term or the long.

Econ 101 says that competition will push prices down to the level where everyone makes exactly enough to keep producing their product. Econ 101 assumes zero differentiation between products, zero brand value, etc., in these cases of perfect competition.

If you are a developer who's making something innovative and useful, whether on iOS or no, it is differentiated from the rest of the market. You are free to compete on price by selling for $1, but you may also compete on quality, solve a unique problem for your market, and sell for $5 or $10. I believe that many developers are doing exactly the latter, but still selling for $1 simply because they think it's "what is done." If they instead sold for $5 or $10, people would still buy and the developer would make more money. If enough people did this, it would remove the noxious attitude that "nothing is worth more than a couple bucks on the App Store." Consumers would get better apps, iOS developers would make a better living, and the ecosystem would improve as a whole.
Marketing and sales are about story telling and influencing would be customers, so that they can see a need for the product you offer. For me, I have found the list of books below to be very informative. Note, they are not listed in any particular order. I mostly listen to the audio or mp3 versions, that way i can just play them as i do other things. Most of them have actionable steps and are not just high level talk.

a. Spin Selling by Neil Rackham

b. 50 ScientificallyWays to Be Persuasive by Noah J. Goldstein, Steve J. Martin, Robert B. Cialdini

c. Three Steps to Yes by Gene Bedell; -Only print, no audio

d. Made to Stick: Why Some Ideas Survive and Others Die by Chip Heath & Dan Heath

e. How To Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carnegie
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Just a word of advice, I've read most of those books and haven't found them super valuable. It really depends what you're selling, but the approach that's worked for me is to figure out my top 5 marketing goals and then find blog posts or interviews that help answer those questions. Almost all marketing books are a little too high-level to be useful in my opinion.
Housefires happen regardless of internet connection speed, so yes.
This is such a minor tweak that I can't see how it's worth trouble of downloading even a byte of extra code to get it done.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: "minor tweak" in terms of efficiency. The processing power saved by making it "smart" is probably less than what it takes to download the extra code.
They don't, but I'm guessing since they're just entering the industry having more subscribers is their number one priority right now. Delivering a product at a loss is nothing new.
According to The Verge: "There's a basic version with network channels and some basic cable, on up to the movie channels like HBO." So it looks like you can get HBO...

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3188845/google-fiber-tv
I fear, the surplus bandwidth will be simply wasted, just like the enormous computing power of modern desktop CPUs.
Does this alter the trend towards mobile? Maybe not in terms of the kind of device you use - it might still be a tablet or a phone-like device - but in terms of data delivered over mobile telephony networks?

Perhaps part of the reason that my iPhone can compete with my desktop is that home internet is just so terrible. Maybe there will be a whole new class of bandwidth hungry apps that can't be duplicated in anything going over a phone network.

In places like Korea I believe they have high bandwidth fiber everywhere; what's the experience there?
I haven't checked the iTunes app store, but on Android and Windows Phone there are dozens of couch to 5k apps around.
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>"I suppose we should all be glad that some VCs were able hit a jackpot so soon, this is just what provides incentives for other VCs to keep investing in tech startups."

If I said:
I suppose we should all be glad that some mortgage brokers were able to hit the jackpot so soon, this is just what provides incentives for other mortgage brokers to keep pushing home loans on people.

I'd be lynched.

I agree it's a dog-eat-dog world, and that investors have to know what they are getting into when this stuff goes public. But the fact that VCs are pumping this crap up then dumping it on the public (who end up taking a bath) is not a positive development. It sucks, because for every Zynga (or pets.com, or webvan) there are 5 great companies that these VCs are supporting. But how can the public continue to trust this system? Fool me once...