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Now they are doomed to work to the end of their lives for big corporation. No one will give them a dime if they ever want to work independently again.

In my experience, ($700M sale to Google in particular) that's just not true. It's quite typical for acquisitions to include either earn-out provisions (you must work for the acquirer for N years or you forfeit some of the purchase price) or retention bonuses (work for N years to earn an additional $X million).

Every investor expects these outcomes; nobody would be surprised or put off to hear that the Sparrow guys are locked up for N years, and nobody I know who invests would view them as damaged goods as a result.

As for Sparrow users being the losers; there are lots of fish (future email clients) in the sea. The popularity of Sparrow is evidence of a market need. Whether any email client author can make real money meeting that need is another question.
Why do you believe emotion is useless? I cannot think of any aspects of our psychology that are useless (they evolved for a reason).

Negative emotions are fundamentally indicators of a cognitive dissonance and are absolutely invaluable in maintaining a healthy system of introspection. Your profile shows you're also a programmer so here's an analogy I use internally: negative emotions are part of a monitoring system built into our brains that inform us when an assumption in our set of operating beliefs (our personality source code) has been violated. (You get angry when your beliefs about 'fairness' are violated, you feel disappointment when your beliefs about e.g. 'relationships' are violated, etc.)

Positive emotions fulfil a similar role, in the opposite direction by reinforcing the value of the beliefs you've created, although negative emotions are more interesting because your response to the emotion can be extrospective ("I feel angry because that guy cut me off on the road and that violates my beliefs about fairness; I'm getting out my tire iron and teaching him the right way to do things") or they can be introspectively rational, controlled and empowering ("Should I revisit my beliefs about fairness to be more in tune with reality, where people make mistakes?"). People with dysfunctional belief systems and rigid attitudes towards their beliefs are prone to depression (i.e. their belief systems do not serve them well given reality, either through distortion or inadapation).

From an evolutionary perspective, I suspect extrospective analysis was more useful ("I'm angry because the other ape has stolen my lunch, and resources are scarce, so I'm going to punch him in the face"), which explains our default, instinctive "emotional" response to emotions, but as civilization develops and the rules change, introspective responses (which encourage co-operation) are more useful (but more fraught with dangers such as depression, which is a kind of reinforcement feedback loop of negative emotional states, beliefs and poor assumptions). Nevertheless, the high value of emotions remains present.

If anybody reading this finds this personal philosophy interesting, I highly recommend reading David Burns' "Feeling Good" for an exhaustive listing/discussion of emotional states and responses, and constructive ways of dealing with these experiences.
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That may not be possible. A good case can be made that emotions are vital to human cognition. E.g.:

http://www.amazon.com/Descartes-Error-Emotion-Reason-Human/d...

What you could instead be doing is not noticing your subtler emotions. Until I took up meditation, I thought I was very rational. But after years of paying attention to the flows of my thought, I've become aware just how much emotion is part of cognition.

That process has left me behaving more rationally, in that before I couldn't control things I wasn't aware of. Or things I refused to be aware of because I didn't like to think I was anything other than logical.
LLVM's bitcode is an intermediate representation, not a bytecode (last time I looked at it, you couldn't even move it from one architecture to the next and be sure it worked), and developers of JVM-based language have almost as much work bridging the differences between their language's semantics and Java's (for which the JVM's bytecode exists first and foremost) as they'd need to create a new runtime.

> Bytecode and program representation was never the hard part

Bytecode is very much a hard part if you're trying to support more than a single language, many bytecode have both language and VM semantics leaking in, which essentially makes them even less useful than cross-language compilation.
Yeah, this happened to me a while ago. Got through two phone calls with someone talking about their start-up and my compiler. Never got a call back after I dared reveal that I have no previous experience in iPhone front-end programming.

Well, what did you expect? You called a compilers guy and you think "compilers" is code for "really smart rock-star", but it's actually just language for "guy who knows about compilers". There is no implied expertise in whatever the latest San Francisco fad happens to be from knowing Real Computer Science.
That's a bold statement to make without any substantiating argument.

This is money earned by someone through their hard work. They probably created hundreds or thousands of jobs in the process too. They paid taxes on it already, too. Why should the state help itself to almost half of the inheritance? Because it doesn't suck enough to have a close relative die, so you want to make it more painful?
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Each time I see a patent related article on Hacker News, I'm thankful that software patents don't exist in Europe. That's at least one thing we got right.
The real risk is that a contagion effect could bring about the split up of the Eurozone, and in that case a new Deutsche Mark would make German export much less competitive (and Berlin much less cheap). It's not likely, but it's still a big risk.
Or to report the tax payment to the day some corrective law makes the item possible to sell, should it happens.

Of course, there can be an immediate arrangement if they just give away the item to a museum.
No one has $500m of cash lying around in a liquid form. Generating that kind of cash, even for the very rich, usually involves selling lots of assets at rock bottom price.

Moreover, when the cash is tied up in an art collection, the valuation is really tricky. Art that earns a $500m tax bill could easily be worth less than that if sold immediately - as is, in fact, the case with the piece under consideration.

As for the fact that most people inherit debts from their parents, I don't see how that's material to the discussion at hand.
Let's say an egg costs 1 egg (1E). This means that for management to give us 2 eggs, they were willing to spend 1 additional egg to let us make (in the worst-case) 14 trips vs 100 if we only had 1 egg. So 1 egg < 86 trips in labor cost.

But they weren't willing to give us a 3rd egg. This means that 1E is more than 5 trips. So our labor cost is less than E0.20/trip (assuming a uniform labor cost per trip), but more than E0.012/trip (E1 / 86 trips).

My goal is to find someone willing to work for E1 for 100 trips. This would be be between 1/20 and 86% of my salary (management's choice don't give me enough information to know exactly how much I will be making in eggs).

So if I can find someone* willing to work for that labor cost, I can give him the 1 egg problem, and I can give him the other egg to pay his salary, I then I can spend my time doing something more interesting while still achieving management's objectives.

*Assume the cost of finding an employee is zero. This is an important assumption to make in an interview.
The developers haven't specified a support and maintenance period, and unmaintained software being "around" isn't a good thing. See my other comment: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4276988
That's why it sucks, sir.
I'd just like to add my experiences in Germany[1] as a techie:

- Almost no wifi. Coming from an area (outside of Germany) with abundant wifi at Cafes that came as a real shock to me.

- As the parent said, you can't rely on just English for the day to day life. For example, I had to resort to a translator for getting a cellular account and cellular internet going. Even at O2, T-Mobile and Vodafone (global brand names) there were no representatives with enough English proficiency to tell me what the different packages included. That was for regular (non prepaid) accounts.

For a prepaid sim card the situation was a little bit better (seller could understand English but not help me with cellular internet configuration, could explain it later to a German, so it wasn't because of lack of technical knowledge) but the automated phone service (that you need to use for selecting plans, add credit, etc.) was German only.

- The cellular reception at cities is good, but the cellular (and cellular internet) reception at the more rural areas (even 30 minutes away from the big cities) proved very sketchy to me.

Those are the problems that surprised me. There are definitely advantages (good public transport inside big cities, relatively cheap living on the east), but I have nothing to add to other posters on that front.

EDIT: another thing that surprised me is that internet tethering is disabled (with no other option) on prepaid sims and costs extra (if at all possible) for regular accounts, at least in all the venues I checked. Again, if you come from a country/carrier where it is like that you won't be surprised, but I was. Especially as I've known Germany as "the place pioneering in unlocked phones".

IMPORTANT EDIT2 about salaries: while cheaper, if you come to work as a local employee the salary as a programer might be lower. Be sure to check at http://www.payscale.com/research/DE/Country=Germany/Salary
(my very anecdotal experience is that this website is relatively accurate)
Take that into account as well when comparing living costs.

[1] The longest time I was there consecutively was 1 month, but the points still stand
> I purposely try as hard as I can to live a life completely free of emotional entanglement, I think emotion is largely useless.

Wow, your kids are going to have more issues than Playboy.

On a more serious note, you realize this means that you're purposely trying as hard you can to live a life free from happiness, empathy and contentment?
Well, providing extra value without any kind of agreement as to what compensation you might get for it is, IMHO, a rookie mistake - and one you shouldn't make twice.

If you have confidence in your abilities, address the topic up front!
There's also a deterrence value in patents, what's called a defensive patent portfolio. If someone were to sue you, you would sue back and that, presumably, stops them from making a move.

A patent making its way to a patent troll is certainly not a good thing, but being an unlikely event it needs to weighed against the benefits of having a patent.

With regards to the buyers enforcing the patent, this is easily handled by obtaining their commitment to use my patents only in a defensive capacity. In my case I didn't have to get an explicit commitment, because I knew the company and its internal ethics well, but in a more general case it's really not a show stopper.
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I believe emotion is useless because it is largely a distraction. By this I mean that if there are reasons other than emotional to take a course of action, the positive enforcement of emotion to push you in that direction is unnecessary. However, if there are no reasons other than emotional in order to undertake an action, that's a good indicator that the action is not a good path to take.

This doesn't mean that an action which we are compelled to undertake for emotional reasons is necessarily bad, merely that the emotional justification alone is not enough. Same with when we are compelled not to and negative emotions.

Emotion just serves to muddy the waters. I certainly agree with your position that it had an evolutionary advantage at one stage, however I think that has run its course. Frequently human society appears to be little more than an orgy of unthinking, emotionally charged activity. People think less and feel more, and they are guided by these emotions more than by their rational thoughts, to the extent that normal people even think at all.

I think that this is a bad thing. Look at our politics and advertisements, or more generally our levers of compulsion, what largely are the appeals in these arenas designed to target? Our emotions, because this is an extremely effective path for manipulation, the vast majority of humankind is enormously weak to this kind of thing. I believe there is value in making a conscious effort to reject this paradigm.
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You miss that the article says it is a crime to possess or even transport the piece. This is like arguing that if you can't sell it without double parking, it's worth $0 and you don't owe taxes.
"I'm thinking of doing a PhD in Germany"

I'm not discouraging, but once you're considering a particular position, please try and talk to previous PhD students of your prospective supervisor. Germany has hardly any fully-funded PhD positions. Instead you typically get employed as staff and have to combine that with your PhD work. The problem is, often professors take on lots of PhD students to get more funding and end up having hardly any time. I've heard stories of a professor having 8 or so PhD students that still wait on him to read their thesis and give the go-ahead for their viva (PhD defense). I'm not saying this is the case everywhere, but it's something to be aware of. So try and find out beforehand.
If you quickly sell the art at auction and it sells for X. Then you owe taxes on X and not whatever the IRS appraised it at.
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Thanks for sharing that, I'll put it on my to-read list, your description of your personal experience is certainly enough to make me think how it relates to my own.
All justification/utility is ultimately either emotional, instinctual, or cultured.
Good points. I wonder how they'll feel 6 months from now.
Google isn't the best place for startup folks post-acquisition.

With a little patience, I think that they could have done better for themselves as well as their customers. As it is, they may have done well financially with this deal, but they've thrown their fanbase into the garbage and it remains to be seen how they'll do at Google.

If enough people liked sparrow, there's a niche for another indie dev to step up and clone the product... and maybe it could even begin as some kind of kickstarter project. but this time make sure that the product has at least an open-source version.
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Your attitude (and possibly the general attitude in Finland?) towards the children is kind of scary. If you think that "they don't care", they won't. Children are the best of mimics and will do and feel as the adults around them.

If you work at an elementary school, aren't you supposed (or even obligated) to teach them how important it is and that it does matter? Language is one of those things that are so easy to learn when you're a kid, so it shouldn't go to waste. Just don't give in to this miserable "they don't care" thing, because it's not them, it's you.
> If you dont, you cant guarantee a return on investment in the project, and thus you dont get investment in the project, and ultimately the problem doesn't get solved.

Well, it doesn't get solved by for-profit actors as a way to make money.

But it can get solved by government-sponsored research. You can look at patents as a complicated tax system intended to fund innovation. We might be better off just making it an actual tax system that funds education.

It can also get solved by foundations, or by for-profit actors working in non-profit-seeking ways. Linux is a great example of innovation in that model. Industry consortia are an interesting model, as is something like Underwriters Laboratories.
Really? I find no fascination with going comatose and hallucinating vividly for hours over more time living.
Thanks for the catch! This was a recent change.
Why not just charge for upgrades? People keep talking about one-time payments as if that's the only choice.
another question. If the IRS values it at so far above its true price, can't they simply donate it and write off the inflated price - which come straight from the IRS - off of the taxes they owe on real-value, non-contraband works they also inherited? (they're not even allowed to "possess" this work under the law.)

Likewise if in an inheritance I got a stone that the IRS decided was an anti-tiger stone worth $100m, couldn't I just donate it to a non-profit tiger research institute, write it off of things I got with real non-baloney market value, and the IRS simply loses out due to their inflated price on the baloney good?

Doesn't the IRS acting like a joke with overvaluations cut both ways? (assuming there's real value somewhere that's worth keeping if you write off the taxes on it.)

i.e. if the irs's valuation on something happened to be inflated by vast multiples - as people in this thread are saying happens from time to time - then can't you donate that and write it off of things that they aren't inflating?
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No, Apparently he bought all legally in several gun shops.
You are saying that as if they couldn't charge for upgrades.
I strenuously disagree that distributing the source for web apps is orthogonal to open source.

That the web is by default open presents the social dynamics that are quite different than in systems like java applets, which are by default closed.

Open source can exist regardless of whether the web is open or not, but you are kidding yourself if you think whether or not source is distributed with a web page doesn't effect the open source landscape.
You may be very different from the typical person, but most people do not exhaustively record their actions, observe consequences, compare with goals, reflect, plan new actions, etc. This is because we already have a good part of this built into our hardware, so to speak.

We build a set of beliefs and act them out. Emotions are the feedback mechanism we use to determine whether the beliefs are serving us well enough to reach our goals. Many people stop there, I agree.

Higher-level individuals capable of greater introspection are aware that their initial belief system, as a child, was largely programmed by parents, relatives, friends, etc. These people monitor their beliefs and adjust them appropriately (e.g. getting angry about somebody not acting the way I'd like them to is pointless, so I'm going to change my belief), or they adjust the world (e.g. scientists researching medicines, engineers building things or software etc.)

EDIT To do so without taking advantage of our emotional processing subsystems would be very exhausting and tiring. I think it's also impossible to escape this characteristic of your humanity; you can learn to suppress your emotions but then you run the risk of not dealing with the cognitive dissonance that caused them in the first place, and this is very dangerous because in effect you are suppressing reality and disconnecting yourself from the world (I'm guessing this is a similar process to how people like the Unabomber create their dangerous belief systems - by ignoring reality they don't like).

I think the problem is not emotions -- the problem is the lack of awareness people have for the role emotions play in our lives, and their options for responding to the emotions (emotions are not facts because beliefs are not facts, yet the vast majority of people act on the basis of their emotions being facts about reality).
How does this compare to mongrel2?
> You seem to disregard it.

In a way. I think that those people are not so different from you and me. With exception to the one thing. They have the antikill safeguard damaged. Looking for the cause of murder in the things you and me may have experienced as well and not go postal is in IMHO misguided. People should not look for what caused the murder but what caused the damage to the safeguard and think up ways to detect it and maybe even correct it in advance.

I don't think it's depression. Depression is whole other kind of hardware bug.
And the antikill safeguard damage is also more common than you might expect. Many times a year there is a news about some guy killing his wife and children and often himself after that. It's so common that it's not even a big news. They call it extended suicide but I think in many cases that's not the right description.
Those poor poor (inherited) billionaires.

They'll have to make up for it with their 15% tax rate for the rest of their lives on their derivative income.

Let me know when this practice is making people homeless or preventing them from getting healthcare.
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I'm using the X220 as well and love it. There are minor quirks on Ubuntu 12.04; are you on 12.10?

Also, did you buy direct or get from a company that does the Linux install? I did the latter and was very disappointed with Emperor Linux; I've gotten basically zero support.
So this is like Mongrel 2?
> LLVM's bitcode is an intermediate representation, not a bytecode (last time I looked at it, you couldn't even move it from one architecture to the next and be sure it worked)

Most of LLVM IR is portable, but naturally there are target-specific parts. If LLVM IR was to be used in the web, these target specific parts would be defined for the "web" target. LLVM IR is used in a similar manner in NaCl and OpenCL where it is used as a portable binary format.

> Bytecode is very much a hard part if you're trying to support more than a single language

It's not easy but it's mostly a solved problem. JVM was designed with a single language in mind, yet it's used by dozens of languages today. Similarly LLVM and CLR are widely used.
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I don't believe in an invisible line of maturity at 18 years old, no. If it were up to me, I'd decide it case by case, not by some blanket law. But that's pretty unmanageable.

These were not kids. They were 17, committed a serious crime then bragged about it. Then they got their names mentioned in public by a victim who feels like this destroyed a part of her youth.

I feel no pity that she may have found a way to return the favour.