skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Language requires a prior shared context. Communication is then optimized around relationships between those concepts. Without situational context, we might not ever determine the "meaning" for a lot of animal language. But we can still likely understand the relationships between different expressions, which may be of some use within itself to at least establish an emotional baseline for some expressions.

There are already research groups who have been attempting to use embeddings and transformers to build out a vector space of specific animal languages. I think they will find some success and improve our current understanding, the question is how much context we will be able to derive. It's possible for example, that end-to-end multimodal AI would be able to train not just on animal sounds, but the body language and environmental and situational context they are in via video and other captured environmental data.
I do find these reported numbers hard to believe.

I could certainly invent explanations for them. For example, I can say "no man would date until they've earned enough money to buy a house." This means younger males won't be dating but that doesn't appear to describe the world we live in.

I could say "Every man who dates is dating 2 women" but that also doesn't appear to describe the world we live in.
I am sorry for you if you experienced this first hand, or fear you might end up experiencing this. I wish you all the best and happy holidays.
They might argue they provide Safari for free and as part of their business model earn a fee for referring users to the preferred search engine vs something substandard. This is a very common business model on just about every web publisher today.
Unfortunately we don't have much more to go on, given an academia that is overwhelmingly leftist, especially in the social sciences.
It is fair to consider the study suspect in that Scandinavian societies as a whole may contribute to decreased recidivism. Understanding the role that the penal system plays will have different outcomes in other countries with different social makeups and different values (broadly speaking) should not be discounted.

That's not to say that rehabilitation is impossible. I am inclined to disagree with the utter disregard GP had for the study, but I also do not believe it can be directly replicated in American society as it stands today.
Interesting, thanks for clarifying. I guess the fact that people can counter claim means the ability of someone to truly limit someone else's speech is probably limited, and it's on websites to support that (which I don't think all do, but it's up to them?)

Almost makes me wish it was mandatory for companies to support counter claims and to treat a customer no differently if they've filed a counter claim. (E.g., GitHub can't close your repos as long as you file a counter claim, unless they would have regardless of the DMCA claim.)
Yep. As I said in another post, they’re human simulators. It looks and sounds enough like a human that it’s tricking people into believing in this illusion of intelligence or intent. I have to imagine the very smart people at OpenAI and Anthropic understand this, and I think a lot of these reports about apparent sentience are being released to push the hype wave and generate investment before the truth becomes apparent to everyone.
The official US Federal Government position (and sentencing law) is that promoting correction and rehabilitation are prohibited from sentencing considerations when it comes to imprisonment (and any imprisonment sentence that includes such considerations will be challenged and reversed for resentencing). A prison sentence is a punishment, not a means for correction and/or rehabilitation:

18 U.S. Code § 3582 - Imposition of a sentence of imprisonment....

(a)Factors To Be Considered in Imposing a Term of Imprisonment.—
The court, in determining whether to impose a term of imprisonment, and, if a term of imprisonment is to be imposed, in determining the length of the term, shall consider the factors set forth in section 3553(a) to the extent that they are applicable, recognizing that imprisonment is not an appropriate means of promoting correction and rehabilitation
So Apple is the monopoly abusing it's position and I thought it was google anti competitive behaviour that was being punished.
I’d say that’s more tolerated than embraced. We know what you meant, you just didn’t say what you meant. Not everyone tolerates it.
If the contributions become sophisticated enough to be actually good, then problem solved, right?
As others have said, there are a few celestial terms that come to mind:

- azimuth
- zenith
- nadir

Also some chemistry terms, again just from top of brain, might be wrong:

- alchemy
- elixir
- arsenic
- alkali
You probably haven't heard of any since you clearly don't know anything about history or politics
I've seen the sentiment building over the last several years. Though I think part of why it's such a prevalent sentiment now as opposed to a few years ago, is very obvious signs of cultural breakdown started to show strongly in maybe 2017 or so, and people started questioning the prominent messages in our culture and seeking answers, and for many, finding those answers takes time.

There are probably other related factors too, like increased awareness of population decline, but I think both reasons are intertwined.
Yeah, I think you've nailed the underlying difference between people who view LLMs as agents and those who don't. To me, there's really not much difference between a human intelligence, and a hypothetical LLM which simulates a human with very high degree of accuracy. Obviously we don't have that today but LLMs are starting to approach that domain.

> I believe humans have true agency, rather than being purely deterministic biomachines.

I know a lot of people think this way but I don't totally know what it means. Outside of appeals to "the soul", surely however a human thinks can be fully simulated since it's situated entirely in the physical universe?

> what would "innately deceptive" mean here, if not "had the intention to deceive"?

I guess what I was getting at was the difference between playing along in a toy example, vs acting deceptively in what an agent perceives as the real world. I'll update my comment
At some point though something will happen such that they can’t keep their fist on the scale, and then the market can correct suddenly.

Unfortunately government intervention makes it even more unpredictable when that will be.
No one working should need welfare benefits. If they are eligible for more when working that shows me the system is broken. When my mother was on SSDI, after the first $84 earned, she lost $0.50 for every $1.00 she earned, which encourages work when possible but doesn't punish people for getting jobs.
Sure, but it would be for deaf ears. Losing revenue is not an issue or argument - it's not like Apple would be unable to operate.
I mean, consciousness is a really complicated topic. Either it's an illusion, it's a single thing that inhabits us (i.e. a soul), or there is some smaller "unit" of consciousness like they are describing, which to me does seem fairly reasonable to consider, since brains can act really weird and non-uniform in certain situations, plus most things are composed of smaller things.
There is something hilarious but also disturbing about how the people doing all this just can't help themselves from dicking with it in weird ways before its even working properly or reliably: Make sure we dont release this to the public until it generates historical figures at equal race rates.

It is almost like the mandates from above are saying "we will only fund this nonsense if you guarantee the number one feature is hidden censorship and control. Prove it with your little DEI stuff, but it must be reconfigurable at the underlying level at any time."

This isn't how proper engineering has ever been done before, there should be basic reliable functionality before going into all this censorship and control stuff
I didn't claim anything about Scandinavians. I'm just not going to take some claim about "actual data" on retribution vs. recidivism at face value.
UNICOR tried to get into electronics recycling here in California under SB20.. while Google and MSFT and Apple ran away as fast as possible! not just the management either, lots of ordinary employees in those huge companies knew that electronics recycling is a liability, not "maximizing revenue" .. meanwhile UNICOR looks for more hooks for more contracts.. UNICOR has no concern about the outcome of electronics recycling .. they would make guranteed trash throw-away anything if it meant a new prison labor contract.

real

edit Walmart uses prison labor to assemble bicycles for kids.. source: eyewitness at a store in California
It's good story but entrepreneurialism is a lot more than just a chosen career path, like teacher, software developer, product manager. It requires ideas, networking or connections, and usually capital.

And then that leaves working the 9-5 (or if you're in IT it's more like 8 to 6), and maybe getting 10-20% of your salary in bonus at the end of the year.

Rinse-repeat.

Trading is at least exciting.
>This stuff is all a matter of degrees, though, right? You could roughly apply the same line of reasoning to a human: “He wasn’t innately trying to be deceptive. He was just put into a situation that caused him to act deceptively”.

Not really, unless you're talking about someone performing in a play or something like that, but again, no one really describes an actor as "lying".
The CDC publishes a weekly map showing this data on a state by state basis.

https://www.cdc.gov/fluview/surveillance/usmap.html

Given the reality of the raw data, these sorts of stories are not a good look for science journalism in general and Ars in particular.
The thing is, this payment from Google is billions in pure profit. If it were to stop, it would have a serious impact on Apple's valuation. Shareholders would want management to do anything they can to keep that cash flow coming.
Assume people are against these bans - just like against banning stuff in the EU. I'm one of those.

So what did the EU achieve? I still access unavailable services via TOR/VPN, these laws still don't protect me and US companies are still not liable.

Laws only work if you have enough power to enforce them.
So who cares they voted for this
Men are overrepresented at both ends of nearly all bell curves. Men have fatter tails in most distributions you can think of. More presidents, but also more suicides.

You are effectively saying that because men are more likely to be president, CEO, Nobel Prize winner, etc, we should tell the men who are more likely to be homeless, murdered, etc, that they deserve it, and they should shut the fuck up.
Also only if it is under your control. If it’s in the OS or a third-party library, you can’t change the API.
What's the problem with option 1? Users have a choice on what to pick, they pick Google because they prefer Google. Is users having choice foreign to Apple?
Big business drives the prosperity of the economy. Trying to run an economy with mom and pop businesses means poverty.
This is easy to say but the reality is being a monkey and throwing money in the market over the last 15 years would have made you f u money. Yet most people never did it.
So who is the genius: the guy who remains on the sidelines and eventually is proved right or the guy who remained in the market and did face a brutal correction.
One thing I've learned about myself is that I'll never be the guy on the right end of that mid curve meme so I might as well lean in on being on the left.
> I recently helped my grandson with his university C++ assignment.

That is awesome. I hope if my kids have kids i'll be of some technical use to them too!
2017 is actually a great reference point wrt cultural changes! I think that is the year when bubble and echo-chamber creations accelerated to the T, so people who ponder about the same things just talk to each other. And they never really get to talk to the outsider groups or hear their opinions as often. 2020s was probably the only couple of years when everyone got to talk about the same topic, but that was for unfortunate reasons. I think “have lots of kids!” idea pushers are just screaming into the void right now, because they offer no solutions to people in other chambers.
Yes the "fake pointer" pattern is a key survival strategy. Another one I use often is the command pattern. You borrow a struct to grab some piece of data, based on it you want to modify some other piece of the struct, but you can't because you have that first immutable borrow still. So you return a command object that expresses the mutation you want, back up the call stack until you're free to acquire a mutable reference and execute the mutation as the command instructs. Very verbose to use frequently, but often good for overall structure for key elements.
So the refusal is a direct result of an undirected training run with no additional input from the developers? I.e. an inherent feature of the data that the model picked up on? I find that hard to believe.
Besides, there is more than one country in Iberia
No. He did not abandon "World Chess". He is still an active player.

He chooses not to participate in the FIDE World Championship primarily because he doesn't like the format. He prefers a tournament format instead of a long 1-on-1 match against the running champion.
I could see a situation where you want the LLM to take a guess, compare it to a calculation, and if they differ, analyze whether it misinterpreted the question. Obviously, it could misinterpret the question, feed the wrong info to the calculator, and then arrive at the same wrong answer as well, so still not foolproof.
This just reflects that the parole system is broken, among other things.

This wouldn't bother me if the USA had universal basic income, public healthcare, free university education, and lower homeless rates.
So, if I understand correctly they're using Hodgkin-Huxley LIF neurons but trained end-to-end in a graph neural network. Through training to reproduce the neural data, the network learns the underlying connectivity of the neural system?

This seems very cool, but I'm surprised this kind of thing attracts VC money! I'm also skeptical how well this would scale due to the inherently underdetermined nature of neural recordings, but I've only skimmed the PDF so may be missing their goals and approach.
You're not wrong, but there are cases where "absolute" performance matters. For example, when your app must meet a performance SLA.
At a 10 year length of copyright.
Yeah there are two of us in the Maine system working as developers, both for [0]Unlocked Labs.

[0] https://unlockedlabs.org
Cloudflare has easiest usability and generous free tier
The fact that you’re 100% correct yet being downvoted tells us all we need to know - people really want to believe that LLMs are actually intelligent on some level. Why? Because it’s humiliating to admit that they’ve been tricked.
Is there a concept of "true alignment"? Basically all my interactions with humans strike me as indicating otherwise.

What is wrong with the concept of "sycophantic"? This is already a meaningful concept.
Comparing with real wages is erroneous. One has to look at total employee compensation, instead. This includes:

1. worker pay

2. so-called employer's social security contribution

3. stock purchase plans

4. 401k company benefits

5. employer provided health care

6. retirement plan contributions

7. paid time off

8. other employee benefits

This adds usually around 40-60% of wages.

Another factor is the increasing share of the productivity is extracted through government taxation and deficit spending. Big government is expensive.
The matrix multiplies are coming alive, and they are deceiving us! FUD sundaes all around!
The difference is that the semantics of your program are still well-defined, even with bugs in index-based arenas.
While the notion of spending your twilight years with your beloved children is wonderful, what I see happening just as often is seniors ending up in a nursing home, seeing their children and grandchildren only a few times a year, if even that. This seems especially true in American society versus other countries.

And that’s not even counting the cases where your children can’t stand you, if not estranged and outright hate you. Which if you read suggestions that ever dare to suggest that you can indeed live with your parents beyond the age of 18, seems to happen quite often too.

The first scenario is the good ending, and would definitely be worth the effort of raising children.

The second ending? I think I’d rather just not have kids at all if that’s my fate.
This paper is disingenuous. It's surprising they published it under the anthropic banner.

They've trained a model to produce certain output given certain input. Nothing more, nothing less.
Okay, how does one protect against it then? Why would this _not_ apply to any future ones?
These kinds of comments always come up in these kinds of discussions

It's kind of funny because it really doesn't matter. The handwringling over whether it's just "elaborate science fiction" or has "real introspection" is entirely meaningless.

Consequences are consequences regardless of what semantical category you feel compelled to push LLMs into.

If Copilot will no longer reply helpfully because your previous messages were rude then that is a consequence. It doesn't matter whether it was "really upset" or not.

If some future VLM robot decides to take your hand off as some revenge plot, that's a consequence. It doesn't matter if this is some elaborate role play. It doesn't matter if the robot "has no real identity" and "cannot act on real vengeance". Like who cares ? Your hand is gone and it's not coming back.

It's a meaningless game of semantics.
Serious question - why are you here on HN?
I emphatically agree with this. I suppose I'm just frustrated it's so hard to figure out what your interests are without trying and failing.

That's just life, I guess.
HTML version of the paper itself: https://arxiv.org/html/2412.14093v2
The Maxims: W.G. Sebald on Writing
Companies have sales at a loss all the time. Would you rather they put the merchandise that doesn't move into the landfill?

> then jack up the price when the competition dies.

That never happens, for good reason. Think about all the money a big corporation would lose trying to sell below cost to drive out a mom and pop.
Answer: no one knows how consciousness works
And yet, common enough that a random guy in the forum claimed to have had several in his store and gave them a copy of the service manual. And that was in the same city as the collector in the video. A decent amount of these were probably sold, and almost certainly all disposed of as soon as they became obsoleted by plasmas.
I recall in grade school in the 80's lots of kids had opinions on Jews, Poles, black folks, gay folks, etc. Clearly, all acquired from relatives.

Young people emulating the adults in their life is how it always has been.
I've seen Perplexity misrepresent search results and also interpret them differently depending on whether GPT4o or Claude Sonnett 3.5 are being used.
Interesting that extensions are not seen as trustworthy. I installed a third-party one for work, and it kept opening up the developers website which was blocked by our firewall. Why try to do a web action the user didn't request? It devolves trust.
Definitely, making $0 is better than making $10.
Yup, this is great advice. Thank you.
9-5 is definitely not the way to enrich yourself, that's an unfortunate message. Have you noticed how housing costs have consistently beat inflation for decades? At least if you live in a VHCOL area. It's easy - check the FRED report on the median salary and compare that with a graph showing the median housing price.

OK so the most important thing is out of reach with 9-5, independence from rent. The next set of factors like health care, and if you have a kid child care and health care, are also up compared to wages (9-5 wages).

That leaves just food and entertainment. I suppose you could live with roommates, eat frugally and not go out. And then maybe the 9-5 is the way to become rich.

For most of us the way to build wealth is through asset appreciation - housing , stocks. The 9-5 is the 'not so passive income' that you use day-to-day while you either SAVE up for the 'assets' (if you're lucky), or you gamble / inherit / get lucky with these assets.
You might also be oblivious to what depression IS, because clinical psychologists are, as well.

Depression is a cluster of symptoms, for all intents and purposes. There is some evidence that SSRIs help these symptoms, but direct causal seratonin deficiency hypotheses have yet to be supported.

There's scant evidence that modern non-pharmaceutical therapeutic interventions (with the exception of niche interventions like CBT) are even effective, yet the advice "go to therapy" gets tossed around constantly as if it's Science(tm) with a capital S.

You can claim that the "depression is just a matter of perspective bro" is an ignorant take, but according to the literature, "depression is a chemical imbalance", or any other definitive "depression is X" claim is equally ignorant. We still don't really know. We're still searching.
Humans have quite a few logarithmic responses: Brightness of light, loudness of sound, musical octaves and relative pitch.
The problem is typically caused by &mut self methods exclusively borrowing all of self.

I wish this not-a-proposal turned into a real proposal:

https://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps//blog/2021/11/05/vi...
A kinda tangential thing we have seen, that to kinda make sense if you think about it is fine tuning undoing alignment.

Considering alignment tends to worsen the model, if we try to optimize it once more, by reducing the loss on certain tasks, easy gains are probably going to come from undoing it's alignment

I don't necessarily agree with the current philosophy of alignment == safety, but even if I did, this whole alignment approach seems to be a somewhat weak approach to safety.

That signals to me, that
Why? str and String are different things, why shouldn’t they be different types?
> I'm just not going to take some claim [...] at face value

Again, what does that mean to you? What would it take to convince you? Presumably pointing at the Scandinavians does not convince you? So "actual data" isn't enough. What would be enough? Is it possible to change your mind? Or have you already decided the answer but know you can't defend it?
Do you know that the Constitution set up a "free trade zone" among the states? And it works great, too!

> It has almost nothing to with the "old" notion of free trade within a given market.

The Law of Supply and Demand has never changed, and never will.
How is this not on the front page of every newspaper?
Nearly as crazy as finding aliens in the deep sea.
str can be allocated on the stack, or heap, or static storage.
Yea, that's the exact point I'm trying to make. And I'm getting very similar vibes in this post with folks refusing to use LSP.
Nit: A &str doesn't mean it has to be static, a &'static str does (which are a subset of &str). A &str can easily point to a dynamic String's heap storage too.
> And prosperity itself, measured purely in terms of economic gains, is not always a good thing either.

I don't know anyone who prefers to be less prosperous.
Oh come on! You must expand on your theories of remote viewing. Did you mean that after a remote viewing session the subject is shown a true report of the target location?

For example, a subject is told to do a remote viewing of Trumps toilet. After the session or sometime later they are shown evidence of Trumps toilet. Or even get a vip tour. Is that the gist?