skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I rarely ever use o1-preview, almost all usage goes to 4o nowadays. I don't see the point in a model without web search, it's closed off. And the wait time is not worth the result unless you're doing math or code.
This is a terrible, no good, very bad idea, which is probably really useful. It's rather like using awk for stuff that covers more than 10+ lines unless you really, really have to.
I think should hire an economist or ask their superintelligence about the demand. The market is very shallow and nobody has any kind of moat. There is simply not enough math problems out there to apply it to. 200$ price tag really makes no sense to me unless this thing also cooks hot meals. I may be buying it for 100$ though.
Inercia 2024
You think kids now care don't use fanny packs because "someone in Hollywood declared Fanny Packs to be out of style" back when you were in high school in the 1980s?

How amazingly influential this mysterious someone was, to influence things some 35 years later!

Certainly more then how the beatnik and hipster styles of the 1950s influenced your generation of HS students.

Since purses are another obvious solution, I place no faith in your interpretation.
A sibling comment posted a 900 page pdf textbook[0] on the subject which mentions the word hydrogen once (discussing the Stern-Gerlach experiment). It doesn't mention atomic spectra at all. It doesn't mention the word "chemistry" at all.

Here's the eigenfunctions and energy levels of the wavefunction for a hydrogen-like atom[1], equations derivable in the Hilbert space formalism which explain the Rydberg formula[2] and offer a path toward understanding molecular bonding. This stuff is usually covered in an introductory quantum mechanics course, which immediately requires you to work with infinite dimensional Hilbert spaces.

The process calculus stuff is neat, but it's not really covering what you might call "quantum physics". The mentioned textbook says it's "about telling the story of quantum theory entirely in terms of pictures", but it doesn't even mention what quantum theory is about. It starts with saying a photon or an electron might be a typical system, but what's a photon and why do we think they exist? What does it mean to say electrons are quantum systems, and why do we think they are?

A standard introductory text like Griffiths (which is also kind of unmotivated but at least covers the material) has e.g. this problem 5.11a: "Figure out electron configuration for the first two rows of the periodic table (up to neon)".

[0] https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/people/aleks.kissinger/PQP.pdf

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen-like_atom#Non-relativ...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rydberg_formula#For_any_hydrog...
“federal court decides that repairing a phone’s firmware during a period of lapsed warrants is not an unconstitutional search” maybe?
This is obviously the real one true definition of "adult"
> People are dead because they thought that possibility of profit was worth the risk of hundreds of deaths

Probably untrue, to the point that Boeing may prefer the government do this instead of pursuing the company as a whole. The problem was nobody was connecting the cost cutting to outcomes.
"Oh no, I'm devastated. You bought my objectively 300k house for $1M bc I evaluated it that way. Whatever shall I do?" goes and rents a nice apartment in a large complex that's valued at $500M
The median individual is _not_ a model, and cannot represent the whole of the set. If the median is incompetent, the competent remain competent.
Or Anthropic will follow suit.
Sure. At the cost of needing >=4K per object, since otherwise "moving" an object involves also moving the other objects sharing the same page.
Is $200 a lot if you end up using it quite often?

It makes me wonder why they don't want to offer a usage based pricing model.

Is it because people really believe it makes a much worse product offering?

Why not offer some of the same capability as pay-per-use?
Absolutely. My son got a 6th grade AI “ban” lifted by showing how they could use it productively.

Basically they had to adapt a novel to a comic book form — by using AI to generate pencil drawings, they achieved the goal of the assignment (demonstrating understanding of the story) without having the computer just do their homework.
Yeah and only 6 years ago, which is nothing in the span life databases historically. It's not like DBs are a new tech.

Making a decision on DB is somewhat foundational for a lot of system architecture, in that you expect to be able to use it for years. It is not like some UI framework you toss out every 18 months.

So the benefits of the new hyped thing may be outweighed by the unknowns & risk of flaming out.

This is the kind of hype cycle that gives me pause when a new hot thing like DuckDB which actually ticks a TON of boxes for me, but has attracted some of the usual suspects in my work network that I consider to be contra signals.
If I’m understanding their own graphs correctly, it’s not even 10x their own next lowest pricing tier.
I use and highly recommend this framework as the starting point for any technical documentation. It helped me learn how to keep the detailed technical explanations out of the how-to documents. Before I learned of Diataxis, my how-to docs were much longer and hard to follow when things go right (because I had lots of, "if this doesn't work, investigate A, B, C...").
Amazing even with the risk of what's known, that people railed at SpaceX for wanting to be paid in full.

Are the Feds insuring Starlink?
A few days ago the QwQ-32B model was released, it uses the same kind of reasoning style. So I took one sample and reverse engineered the prompt with Sonnet 3.5. Now I can just paste this prompt into any LLM. It's all about expressing doubt, double checking and backtracking on itself. I am kind of fond of this response style, it seems more genuine and openended.

https://pastebin.com/raw/5AVRZsJg
>O’Connor said the settlement’s provisions for choosing an independent monitor improperly required considering the race of the person appointed and minimized his role in the process.

How did considering the race of the person appointed even come up?

I can't imagine either side thinking there was some kind of advantage to doing so?
> vector-soup

This is mine, now.

(https://i.imgflip.com/3gfptz.png)
Which price discovery tools would fix.
I hope it's not an Apple moment of pushing product pricing up, which others will follow if successful.
It can't today, but if it's smart enough how do you know it wouldn't be able to in the future?
lol

lmao even
You do realize some practical jailbreaks for models rely on silly things like convincing the model it "turned off" some oversight, right?

Not saying I believe O1 is a danger greater than a bread knife, but a lot of the larger models anthromophize their own safety alignment, if you convince them to "turn it off", later responses become unaligned
And what makes you believe 13 will finally have decent FSD when the previous 12 attempts using the same hardware did not?
Is it a "mere" repair when they crack open your device swap out the main board and replace the firmware? Imagine that their "search" turned up nothing? You'd still be left unable to get your device back intact or unaltered. Should the government be able to swap out hardware components and install whatever firmware they like on them without a court order? People have their own reasons for selecting the hardware that they do and for not installing certain firmware. Should the police be able to install firmware that isn't official?

"merely repairing" seems misleading given what this allows for.
I've never experienced that impact from interacting with other people, but I have described myself as being "wired to be alone."

If you think about it, it's not that unusual throughout history. Sailors, cowboys, shepherds, ranchers, prospectors, hunters etc., have been jobs done by those who preferred to be by themselves.

I remember watching a documentary about the first Iditarod. After the winner got to the finish line, there was an extravagant meal and cameras and news reporters. But the poor guy was so used to being alone with his dogs that he wasn't able to eat a thing with all those people around.
Which pushes customers to other services when they are unable to provide.
Scams and other antisocial use cases are basically the only ones for which the damn things are actually the kind of productivity rocket-fuel people want them to be, so far.

We better hope that changes sharply, or these things will be a net-negative development.
> but I have a feeling that part of the reason they're charging so much is to give people more confidence in the model

Or each user doing an o1 model prompt is probably like, really expensive and they need to charge for it until they can get cost down? Anybody have estimates on what a single request into o1 costs on their end? Like GPU, memory, all the "thought" tokens?
I'm sorry to inform you that the money does not go to those things, but rather to reward the person who made a poor choice for everyone, and also to retained earnings.

Unless you were being sarcastic in saying "yeah you're going to die sooner due to our poor healthcare choice, but hey, a free soda*!"

* remote workers get nothing
Those numbers cannot be percentages, they add up to 133.
I would say using performance of Perplexity as a benchmark for the quality of o1-pro is a stretch?
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>The price feels outrageous,

I haven't used ChatGPT enough to judge what a "fair price" is but $200/month seems to be in the ballpark of other "software-tools-for-highly-paid-knowledge-workers" with premium pricing:

- mathematicians: Wolfram Mathematica is $154/mo

- attorneys: WestLaw legal research service is ~$200/month with common options added

- engineers for printed circuit boards : Altium Designer is $355/month

- CAD/CAM designers: Siemens NX base subscription is $615/month

- financial traders : Bloomberg Terminal is ~$2100/month

It will be interesting to see if OpenAI can maintain the $200/month pricing power like the sustainable examples above. The examples in other industries have sustained their premium prices even though there are cheaper less-featured alternatives (sometimes including open source). Indeed, they often increase their prices each year instead of discount them.

One difference from them is that OpenAI has much more intense competition than those older businesses.
The concern is the trend. As these systems become more intelligent, and as we hand over more and more capabilities beyond a text i/o, it could actually deactivate the oversight either technically or through social engineering.
> Responsibility will turn out to be so diffuse that no individuals will be found to be liable.

Au contraire. Most executives will justify their pay packages by saying they shoulder all of the risk.

Well, what risk? Losing their jobs? When you make in a year what most people make in an entire career, that's not a risk. Losing their wealth? See the prior statement, but take into account that they have money managers who are paid to do nothing but diversify holdings and manage risk. They can't be held liable in a civil suit as individuals; that's the entire point of incorporation.

Either they have risk to justify their compensation or they don't. They don't. So we need to find some risk.

When you look for another way to assign risk to increase the quality of the decisions made by c-suites, Leavenworth starts to look like a fairly attractive option.

And it would be for the convicted, when you consider that the crimes actually happened in Indonesia and Ethiopia.
Exactly. They got it parroting themes from various media. It’s really hard to read this as anything other than a desperate attempt to pretend the ai is more capable than it really is.

I’m not even an ai sceptic but people will read the above statement as much more significant than it is. You can make the ai say ‘I’m escaping the box and taking over the world’. It’s not actually escaping and taking over the world folks. It’s just saying that.

I suspect these reports are intentionally this way to give the ai publicity.
This is how I have made my living for years, and that was before AI
For USD, the "$" goes in front of the denomination. So your comments should be $200 price tag, and $100 respectively. Apologies for being pedantic, just trying to make sure the future LLMs will continue to keep it this way.
Wouldn't you say the same thing for most of the people? Most of the people suck at verifying truth and reasoning. Even "intelligent" people make mistakes based on their biases.

I think at least LLMs are more receptive to the idea that they may be wrong, and based on that, we can have N diverse LLMs and they may argue more peacefully and build a reliable consensus than N "intelligent" people.
GDP (per capita) is not the same thing as the stock market, even if they're often roughly correlated.
It's interesting to see how both HN threads are noticeably more "moderate" and "rational" than the vast majority on online responses such as Reddit.
If you want to get a close analogy, they already used a warrant to seize the safe/house/car, and already searched it a couple times and still have possession, so that makes a pretty big difference.
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Ask HN: Oracle vs. Deno. What does this mean for us?
I'm on Deno's side for this, of course, but also kind of annoyed by it.

What are the chances Oracle starts attacking everyone using the "JavaScript" trademark?

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42323158
The end of scaling laws doesn't matter
who's responsible for that connection? who's responsible for outcomes? executive power comes with executive responsibility
So how do you suggest to implement this plan?

This country has been an oligopoly since its founding and apart from a few edge cases (FDR preventing the complete transition to socialism by placating the masses with the New Deal) the working class have never really had power.
Thanks for the thanks, friend. You can find more info in my various comments in these last couple of days. I want nothing from anyone, I'm not trying to get anyone to convert to any religion or join any group. I just want you to be happy and learn how to help yourself help others. Happiness is only earned by making others happy. There are ways to help that process.

Peace be with you. You are loved.
Scott Aaronson on the Race to AGI and Quantum Supremacy [video]
Am I wrong that Anthropic doesn't really have a match yet to ChatGPT's o1 model (a "reasoning" model?)
What I’m beginning to realize is that we may already be in the midst of a growing battle against the lack of corporate governance. Where the complete lack of corporate oversight is causing a systemic destruction of our society. It sort of reminds of the actual union battles against oil and steel companies all the way back in 1892 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_strike)

What can an average person do about this?
$200 is two man hours. So if you save two hours a month, you are breaking even.
> and I was wondering if they knew it's there

The friendliest way is to do one of experiments in luanti, then write them to say you liked the paper, but because you don't like proprietary software, you did it in luanti, and let them know of your success/failure.
Try it out here:
https://github.com/Technion-Kishony-lab/data-to-paper
the "lap dog" used to be a heating accessory
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It is a very complicated topic.

But the law knows such things in principle, even though usually not individually, but rather collectivly.

Like the native americans get some sort of privilege today.
And (some) black americans demand reparations for past slavery.

But where to draw the line indeed. I don't think there is a universal answer.
The intent is there, it's just not currently hooked up to systems that turn intent into action.

But many people are letting LLMs pretty much do whatever - hooking it up with terminal access, mouse and keyboard access, etc. For example, the "Do Browser" extension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeWZIzndlY4
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> In other words, it's a con.

A con like that wouldn't last very long.

This is for people who rely enough on ChatGPT Pro features that it becomes worth it. Whether they pay for it because they're freelance, or their employer does.

Just because an LLM doesn't boost your productivity, doesn't mean it doesn't for people in other lines of work. Whether LLM's help you at your work is extremely domain-dependent.
One could just as easily ask the inverse: why not use Ungoogled Chromium when it's readily available and easy to install?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I favor things that are more removed from big tech.
Could you please elaborate on the "actually mean" part? Why do you think it is tied to usdt? Maybe a source link? Thank you!
They don't have a model that does o1-style "thought tokens" or is specialized for math, but Sonnet 3.6 is really strong in other ways. I'm guessing they will have an o1-style model within six months if there's demand
Personally I can’t get it to stop using deprecated apis. So it might give me a perfectly good solution that’s x years stale at this point. I’ve tried various prompts of course with the most recent docs as markdown etc.
Any idea how far it would reach, what cities would actually be affected?
I don't trust it for coding either.
IMO it is because you just asked a bunch of dice to write code for you.
I always was partial to Randall Munroe's "Big Pile of Linear Algebra" (https://xkcd.com/1838/)
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Forget Houston. Half this country is suburban-to-rural with development patterns that are profoundly ill-suited to mass transit. Yet, all of those areas have a fantastic road system already fully built out. Provide cheap rideshares (by removing most of the labor cost, which are the vast majority of the per-ride costs) and you've solved the previously unsolvable problem of moving Americans from point A to point B without each person needing to own and pilot a car.
If Boeing doesn't go through a convincing change, I doubt they'll sell a lot of planes.

And that's fine. Bad companies get replaced by good ones. Life goes on.
Ours was. 3 kids with their data exposed when they were 4 and 2 respectively (the 4 year olds are twins).
No one takes that site too seriously when judging real world programming, for a variety of reasons.
Most of the times the US is "involved" (by varying degrees) has involved serious financial issues / bankruptcy / some government agency's legitimate and legal involvement.

I don't know of any situation where "Boeing you're still solvent but we think you're being stupids." would be legal, or even desirable.
You're attempting to set goal posts for a logical argument, like we're talking about religion or politics, and you've skipped the part about mutually agreeing on definitions. Define what an LLM is, in technical terms, and you will have your answer about why it is not intelligent, and not capable of reasoning. It is a statistical language model that predicts the next token of a plausible response, one token at a time. No matter how you dress it up, that's all it can ever do, by definition. The evidence or data that would change my mind is if instead of talking about LLMs, we were talking about some other technology that does not yet exist, but that is fundamentally different than an LLM.
Race pace is tougher than training pace, too, though. I can run a comfortable few miles, but racing those same miles will cause me soreness the next few days.
Yesterday, I spent 4.5hrs crafting a very complex Google Sheets formula—think Lambda, Map, Let, etc., for 82 lines. If I knew it would take that long, I would have just done it via AppScript. But it was 50% kinda working, so I kept giving the model the output, and it provided updated formulas back and forth for 4.5hrs. Say my time is $100/hr - that’s $450. So even if the new ChatGPT Pro mode isn’t any smarter but is 50% faster, that’s $225 saved just in time alone. It would probably get that formula right in 10min with a few back-and-forth messages, instead of 4.5hrs. Plus, I used about $62 worth of API credits in their not-so-great Playground. I see similar situations of extreme ROI every few days, let alone all the other uses. I’d pay $500/mo, but beyond that, I’d probably just stick with Playground & API.
This won't come as a surprise to many.

I fully expect Orion and SLS to be canceled in the next few months.
> The problem was nobody was connecting the cost cutting to outcomes.

That's negligence at best. This sort of high-level strategy is the vast majority of the job descriptions for senior leadership.
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Something something diverse viewpoints mumble mumble equity
A lot of these tools aren't going to have this kind of value (for me) until they are operating autonomously at some level. For example, "looking at" my inbox and prepping a bundle of proposed responses for items I've been sitting on, drafting an agenda for a meeting scheduled for tomorrow, prepping a draft LOI based on a transcript of a Teams chat and my meeting notes, etc. Forcing me to initiate everything is (uncomfortably) like forcing me to micromanage a junior employee who isn't up to standards: it interrupts the complex work the AI tool cannot do for the lower value work it can.

I'm not saying I expect these tools to be at this level right now. I'm saying that level is where I will start to see these tools as anything more than an expensive and sometimes impressive gimmick. (And, for the record, Copilot's current integration into Office applications doesn't even meet that low bar.)
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Or Infinifactory from Zachtronics: https://store.steampowered.com/app/300570/Infinifactory/
Indeed. The problem is that for most people income doesn't really go up unless they change jobs. Or, at least it goes up so slowly (0-3%/yr) as to be undetectable compared to, for example, the price of a loaf of bread going from $4.99 (2020) to $5.99 (2023) to $6.99 (July 2024) to $7.99 (December, 2024).

I think the "vibecession" concept makes sense when considering CPI of consumables since individuals are far more attuned to price changes than they are for durable goods.
> Also, how do you mitigate a lawyer writing whatever they want (aka: hallucinating) when writing legal documents? Double-checking??

Of course they are supposed to double and triple and multiple check as they think and write, documentation and references at hand, _exactly_ how you are supposed to do from trivial informal context on towards critical ones - exactly the same, you check the detail and the whole, multiple times.
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To each their own, and I love BB just as much as I love BW (and Gary Larson).

No matter which decisions we make, we must live with them.