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Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/social-media-age-ban-...

256 points|llui85|17 hours ago|385 comments - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42264733

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First of all, I take offense to being thrown in as part of the crypto community, with which I have nothing to do, and for which I do not have much hope.

So now if you are unhappy with the monetary system you are automatically a crypto bro and can be dismissed?

Secondly, the problem with fractional reserve banking is as follows: Suppose Larry makes a deposit of one dollar, which the bank guarantees can be retrieved at any time. The bank loans this dollar to Catherine, which uses it to buy something from Steve. Now Steve has one dollar, which he deposits with the bank. The bank lends this dollar to Catherine2, which uses it to buy something from Steve2. And so on, up to CatherineN and SteveN

Now, in so far as transactions can take place in the economy with bank IOUs, which are considered perfect money substitutes, the amount of money in the economy has been multiplied by a factor of N. Where before only Peter had a dollar (or a dollar IOU, which are supposedly the same), now Pere AND Steve, Steve2, up to SteveN all have a dollar IOU. This leads to an inflationary pressure.

Now it is true that upon the Catherine's repaying of the debt, these extra dollars will go away. However, in reality there is no such thing as negative dollars. The supply of money has been increased by the bank.

An objection could be raised that Catherine's extra demand for money to pay off her debt will exactly offset the extra supply of money. This is nonsense! Everyone demands money all the time. If Catherine did not demand money to pay off her loan, she would demand money in order to satisfy her next most urgent want which could be satisfied by money. The increase in the demand for money is negligible.
While I appreciate the sentiment of this legislation, removing social media access for everyone under 16 years to address the concerns of a few is a nanny state act. As a parent, you should be making these decisions for your children - not your government. Additionally, I would suggest it won't address the actual issue. The named/identified social media companies will comply as required, younger internet users will simply go elsewhere (the internet is a big place after all) and therefore the problem will ultimately go unaddressed.
I could see where struggling with loneliness and entitlement and horniness would inexorably expose mental illness - the healthy ones deal with it, the unhealthy ones… geatures vaguely at the unhealthy ones

In the same way that weed can set off hitherto unknown mental health issues, without it meaning weed is the problem - inceldom attracts and retains people who are willing to swallow the toxic side of the group, because that side inescapably taints everything related to the issue.

In other words, plenty of people wish they were getting laid right now… but only a few particular people blame that on women writ large.

I suppose, you could also just call sexism a mental illness, but I don’t think anybody wants to face that harsh reality yet.
They're still producing more artillery shells than Europe and US are able to provide Ukraine.

That seems to be the determining factor in this war.
There is evidence all around the world that this is not true.
Almost no one will say that in print today, pmarca writes critical tweets about OpenAI and deletes them and he owns like, a city.

Even one person being courageous on this gets us 1% closer to the 100 people or so at which it snowballs. Some of us are going to organize and make them pay for every milimeter.

If you want to be part of it: b7r6@b7r6.net
Fair or not, it’s a strange way to count - Go isn’t using that RAM. It’s preallocating it because any real world program will.
Not entirely accurate. Exactly one bank (a small Asian American community bank, the 2651st largest in the U.S.) was prosecuted after the subprime mortgage crisis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus:_Small_Enough_to_Jail
There are other issues with older battery chemistries that make them less attractive than lithium. Discharge rate and various issues with charge cycles among them.
You never went to western Europe or rich Asian countries ? You should try it and see for yourself.
Because the thing you're worried about is microplastics, which are directly proportional to tire wear regardless of whether the wear is from heavier vehicles or more miles driven or idiots doing donuts, so if you just tax the externality directly you don't have to worry about which thing is causing it.
The ancient invention that ignited game play (2021)
Any of them ran their own startups? Ported some code to jemalloc?

Then I am not interested in their idea on tech.
But not all the time, and that is the point. Plus, most of the people with dementia that are extremely aggressive and/or violent are that way due to a lack of socialization and an extreme sense of loneliness.

Of course that’s not always true, and I can guarantee that volunteering there is not always pleasant.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t rewarding or worthwhile all the same.
I think it's better phrased as "find the best rule", with a tacit understanding that people mostly agree on what makes a rule decent vs. terrible (maybe not on what makes one great) and a tacit promise that the sequence presented has at least one decent rule and does not have multiple.

A rule being "good" is largely about simplicity, which is also essentially the trick that deep learning uses to escape no-free-lunch theorems.
Yeah if there’s no life there already, then we should probably go ahead and put it there and see what happens.

We’d have to be real sure that there’s no life there already though.
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CSPs aren't your cellular provider. You don't get better pricing by telling them you'd switch, because both the AE and yourself (assuming you ever did the math), know it's not a viable option.

Trying to be multicloud by choice, unless you have a very unique use case, which you probably don't, is simply admitting you are incapable of calculating the cost of being multicloud. This would get you horrible pricing, as you just showed your hand.
You're far more optimistic than I about our government being able to implement a secure, reasonable solution for age verification.

COVIDSafe was the last technical undertaking and it was expensive and a completely inept implementation. The MyGov website is another failed attempt at keeping personal data secure.

Further, it seems likely that social media companies are likely to come out of this with even more information about us.

Government and tech do not mix well (at least in Australia).
The taunt of “your body, my choice” in the days after the election (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/11/business/your-body-my-cho...)

Kasey links to some examples of how prevalent anon accounts spewing outright racism is in this thread from today: https://x.com/kaseyklimes/status/1862323859321483316
I used to have an apartment abutting a parking garage and also above a busy three lane road.. the worst black dust and grime everywhere. Pretty sure moving out of that apartment probably added years back to my life.
See also "Sunshine tax"
Who cares? Fossil energy i is turning out to just be significantly more expensive. The weird political aversion to things will be easily defeated by greed. Even with various market manipulations absent or present solar + storage is just really cheap and getting progressively cheaper.
Buy a (motor-)bike and only use the car when you really need it.
The accounting here is weird though; Go isn’t using that RAM, it’s expecting the application to. The reason that doesn’t happen is because it’s a micro benchmark that produces no useful work..

The way the results are presented a reader may think the Go memory usage sounds equivalent to the others - boilerplate, ticket-to-play - and then the Go usage sounds super high.

But they are not the same; that memory is in anticipation of a real world program using it
>could live for and hold their positions for a thousand years... I don't know if that is a good thing.

I think it's a good thing: if the people continue to elect them, then obviously the people want those politicians to continue representing them for that long. Why should they be deprived of that? Objecting to this seems like objecting to democracy.

If this produces bad results long-term, that's the fault of the voters. Democratic systems are only as good as the voters who choose its leaders. When the voters are idiots, you get bad leaders. If the people don't like their 1000-year-old senator, they should vote for someone else. As we've seen in the USA, people don't have much trouble voting for a new President when they're mad at the current one for whatever reason (and the US also switched many seats in Congress in that same election).

>Or Xi of Mainland China...

Unfortunately, that's a possibility too, but by the same token, if Deng Xiaoping had been immortal, he could have stayed in that position and Xi might never have gained power and things in China (and worldwide in things related to China) would be a lot better right now.

Basically, your objection is one I usually see raised when the idea of immortality or radical life-extension comes up, but I honestly don't see how it'd be that much different either way.
Estonian e-voting and e-elections
GCHQ cyber-chief slams security outfits peddling 'medieval witchcraft' (2017)
> national IDs to be able to provide cryptographically secure proofs of age

Nah, this is an antipattern we've seen before. A veritable Pandora's Box whispering to be opened. There is a much simpler and safer solution:

1. A disclosure law, which requires sites to somehow (e.g. HTTP headers) show their nature as a social media site, porn site, etc.

2. Parents can choose to purchase devices/software for their children with a parental-lock, set those filters and permissions to match their own locality or personal preferences, and whitelist any necessary exceptions.

This way the implementation costs of the shifting, complex, never-ending demands will fall onto the groups that actually want to use it, instead of all sites in the world being potential legal jeopardy for failing to implement all the censorship rules of every possible visitor.

It also means that most enforcement (and exceptions) move out into a physical realm which parents are at least able to see and control.

> without leaking identity

Leaking identity to the site is only half the problem, the other is leaking activity to the government. I'd ratehr not have a Government Internet Decency Office with an easy list of every single site I ever tried to view or register-for, without any kind of warrant or other due-process.
This is the opposite of democracy - a group imposing rules "for their own good" on people it doesn't represent who have no recourse. If they had any integrity they'd be banning it for adults not children.
At least in Europe, offshore wind farms (which are more expensive than on shore) don't need any subsidies to be profitable. The turning point was around 2018
Maximized by flat rate payer, minimized by pay-per-use.

You want to maximize it, the hosting definitely prefers someone who pays and doesn't use, so they can double-book that server.
Aren't videogames where you consume drugs for gameplay boosts banned there? I always found that weird for a first world country.
Oil subsidies dwarf solar/wind/hydro/nuclear combined that is without factoring in socialized costs of pollution and accidents.
The strange thing is that the same thing is happening in the US. A story of someone’s Google, PayPal, Instagram etc account getting banned for no reason gets posted every day. Customer service means posting on social media and hoping it gets enough traction. Hell, I can’t even buy anything at Walmart online because they cancel every order because of suspicious activity, even though I ordered there before with the same payment method and address. I think a lot of people have a strong sense of entitlement and blame things such as this on the foreignness of the entity (in this case Hetzner).
The simplest way to memorize it is to remember the accounting formula and one simple rule.

- Assets minus Liabilities = Equity (net worth)

- Your bank account or cash balance increases on the debit side

From this you can figure out that if you borrowed money, the debt increases on the credit side and the cash influx debits your bank account. The same goes for an income.
> Go heavily encourages a certain kind of programming;

True, but it really doesn't encourage you to run 1m goroutines with the standard memory setting. Though it's probably fair to run Go wastefully when you're comparing it to Promise.All.
I hope we add tariffs and use that to improve public transit and move away from all car dependence.
We do have recourse. What you'll see is more independent candidates get voted in to overturn the law. Once the government of the day starts badly implementing it the conservatives who voted with the center left party will split off and start attacking for it's repeal.
It's a nothing burger law designed to look tough and do nothing.
I expect they are also slightly worse thanks to the immediate acceleration. Even if 0-60 is similar to a particular ICE car, 0-5 or 0-10 is not.

By the way, there are EV tyres - does anyone know why? Is it just marketing or do they have some special properties?
Steel dust has the nice property of turning into mostly harmless metal oxides rather quickly.
It's mostly durability AFAIK - lead-acid is heavy, but it's cycle life is actually pretty poor. They're used as car auxillary batteries because they do have very nice properties for that specific application with ICE engines (namely, a nice resistive charging curve - they absorb the sort of noisy power you get from an alternator very well).
> Unfortunately, GitLab is locked behind Cloudflare turnstile and I can't access the source code.

Out of curiosity, is that true for $(git clone), too, or just the browser access?
I'd argue that SemVer makes sense for just about everything. If we were talking about something like a Linux distro, then sure I guess this is getting more reasonable. But for an app or library, especially one that generates data and/or has a programmatic interface, SemVer is better. SemVer might be a bummer when you have constant demand to immediately add stuff that is incompatible and you never have a stable version. It still works perfectly fine in that case however. That is to say, it communicates that there is no compatibility guaranteed between versions, and maintains the correct order between old and new versions. It probably also tells you approximately how many releases were between any two versions as well.
That means we should subsidize local solar/wind/hydro/nuclear more and not allow foreign subsidized companies to decimate local companies.
this is what a seven-year-old would sound like if they were writing a persuasive essay about how they shouldn’t have a bedtime
Of course! That's why the article is telling you that some languages (C#, Rust) are better at it than others (Go, Java). Doesn't mean that Go and Java are bad languages! Just that they aren't good to do this thing.
I think your concept of password strength is wrong-headed. For example, you consider a 64-character password "medium" if it contains only alphabetic characters and an eight-character password "strong" if it contains all four character classes. It is difficult to give much credit to these ratings.
The proposed digital ID solution is designed to protect the individual from this type of information disclosure.
The point of this isn't to keep kids off social media. It's an excuse to require ID for adults so they can arrest us for criticizing them.

They also recently tried to pass a "Misinformation" bill which would have given them the power to decree what we can and can't say on social media, and they'll try to sneak that back in, too.

This country is a nanny state and it's getting scary.
> Didn’t even have to open the link to know it was Author and Punisher.

Had exactly the same reaction
Nuclear has many plausible trillion dollar accident scenarios. They are capped to a few billion in liability from a major subsidy left over from the cold war era.
Depends what someone does for a living. If you deal with lawyers often you might have more emotional baggage seeing one.
I think others have said it well enough, but you're mixing the VPS business model up with cloud. It's in the interests of cloud providers to have you utilising resources because that's how you're billed. VPS and dedicated servers just give you a bill for potential utilisation, regardless of how much or little you choose to actually use (excluding bandwidth overages).
I always knew good climate matters a lot but I did not know the term for it ! Thanks
catch me on season fifteen of the blox where i preach and if invited, i will testify to every moment in my life, business, and recreational life where microsoft has personally fucked us all

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There was a wild video of a Russian group mocking a tank and then discovering it was a Russian T-90 and its reactive armour was literally a construction brick.

https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1gt1...

They also had to chase their latest stealth prototype drone (S-70) over Ukraine with a pseudostealth fighter (Su-57 Felon, one of only about 30) to blow it up themselves. Almost certainly due to the drone being so faulty they tried to destroy it. They didn't even do that effectively, the large intact portions surviving and being collected for UA intelligence.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/why-russia-shot-down-s-70-...

Russia couldn't manage to get naval superiority against Ukraine, a country with effectively no functional navy vessels.
I think you might be confusing economic tactics.

Tariffs don't discourage adoption of the best technologies, they discourage importing products from other countries.

If solar/wind/batteries/nuclear/hydro/whatever is better than oil, and there are high tariffs, the result will be onshore production of those technologies.

What gets in the way of that is subsidies, not tariffs.

Unless there is an underlying assumption that the US is incapable of producing these better technologies itself, in which case the US is probably fucked regardless.
under 16 year olds cannot vote, are not represented and have no recourse.

when one group votes to make rules for another group that cannot vote, it can be called many things, but "democracy" is not one of them.
is there a statistic that can show us the density distribution? my intuition says that the bay area would have a pretty gradual slope (people living mostly everywhere of mostly low density), whereas Switzerland would have lots of areas mostly uninhabited while having a few high concentration cities.

looking at the two respective largest cities: Zurich is about twice as densely populated as San Jose.

this has a huge impact on public transit viability.
“Yeah we pivoted to hiring and blackmail only later. Killer skills went to hiring, dodgy office romances went to blackmail. Profits are excellent.”
I'd bet this was submitted due to the ongoing discussion over in the TeaTime thread, which may interest this same audience: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42256104
I don't like nanny state policies like this, but hopefully we'll get some data about social media usage from this after a few years.

Prediction: the policy was both difficult to implement and difficult to determine if it made any impact, positive or negative.
You would have to make some trade-offs with emissions/fuel economy though. Harder wearing compounds generally lead to higher rolling resistance, which means higher energy use per distance. I’m inclined to think that microplastics pollution might be worse than tailpipe emissions (or electricity generation pollution depending on your source)?, but it wouldn’t be straightforward. While there will probably always be uses for autos, we should encourage other methods of transport whenever possible.
I guess what you can do in golang that would be very similar to the rust impl would be this (and could be helpful even in real life, if all you need is a whole lot of timers):

func test2(count int) {

timers := make([]*time.Timer,count)
for idx, _ := range timers {
timers[idx] = time.NewTimer(10 * time.Second)
}
for idx, _ := range timers {
<-timers[idx].C
}
}

This yields to 263552 Maximum resident set size (kbytes) according to /usr/bin/time -v

I'm not sure if I missed it, but I don't see the benchmark specify how the memory was measured, so I assumed the time -v.
Lithium became drastically cheaper, but has yet to achieve relevance in term of grid scale storage. The US uses 12 TWh of electricity per day. The world used 60 TWh. Global lithium ion battery production is around 600 GWh. Most lithium storage systems are on the order of megawatt hours or single digit gigawatt hours.
The existing and impending protectionism almost guarantees the US car manufacturers are screwed. The rest of the world is already buying loads of BYDs, so US car makers are already competing with them and losing badly. They’ll be relegated to only being viable options in the US. Then we’ll be left with expensive and inefficient cars until we eventually give up on propping them up.
View this as an insurance and it suddenly all makes perfect sense. You pay a little more so if this month your usage pikes, you won't get a surprise invoice you didn't budget for, and you won't get cut either. At worst, you'll get rate-limited. This price stability is valuable and paying extra to get it isn't being charged an unfair price. Of course if you don't find it beneficial, you should choose another offering.
It is undeniable that big tech has warped the way even adults deal with each other. It warps social norms, social habits, human interactions, perspectives on the world and a lot more, all for the worse than the better.

For children, it is very important for them to build their social skills based on interactions with other kids and adults, rather than from social media. They must learn about the world from the world, rather than through a commercial filtered lens of a big tech company, that is focussed on clicks, views and profits.

True, its a nanny state move. But, in my view, it is absolutely essential, as big tech seldom seems to worry about their products and their effects on children.

Sometimes, when the problem is big, the action must also be big.
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