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I suspect this is a significant challenge for Google and Android branding in general. When people compare their experiences "with Android" it seems they don't mention the particular hardware they are using. Unlike Apple where if you're using an 'iOS phone' the hardware is known. So its perfectly understandable when two people have diametrically opposed opinions on Android, switch hardware, and switch sides. Its like every dessert was named 'ice cream' and yet some people ate mars bars and some people m&ms and some twizzlers.
Once (begin assumption here) autonomous cars become the norm I don't think this will be a problem. The reason speed limits exist at all is because we don't want people who are not physically capable of driving at that speed (poor eyesight, bad reflexes, etc....) to try, so we set the limit at a level where we think everyone should be reasonably ok in that situation.

But if all cars are run by computers, we can raise speed limits considerably, since reaction time, sleeplessness, stupidity, etc... are all non-factors anymore. The only problem is whether or not your car can actually go as fast as everyone else, but for that we can set up fast and slow lanes similar to the somewhat unofficial way things go on the highway now (faster the closer to the leftmost lane you are).
Google has been way behind in terms of execution with their Android story, I keep hoping that Motorola Mobility will inject their execution DNA into Google rather than the other way round, only time will tell.
The purpose is not to raise $500k, but to have around 10k committed users - committed enough that they paid and will likely contribute content. This is what they feel they need to get off the ground.

So nothing is fishy. It's quite clever actually. They can almost guarantee that they will have a nice launch if the strategy works.
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Speed limits will, inevitably, climb as safety increases based on self-driving cars and more predictable traffic conditions. Self-driving cars will not just obey the law, they'll also keep a safe distance to the car in front, based on speed and time-to-stop (among correcting many other common mistakes drivers make that lead to more accidents, the faster they drive).
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With regards to any 3rd party use of exchange postings in the public domain, be they from Craigslist or any other source that is posting goods and services on the public internet:

1) the fact of an item for sale and the description of that item is not an issue of copyright. The long history of legal theory on this subject is best expounded in the Supreme Court case Feist vs. Rural Telephone. Furthermore, price discovery and transparency of supply and demand require open and equal access to facts in the public domain regarding goods and services for sale. A price quote for a stock or bond or piece of fruit does not "belong" to the originating exchange on which the item is initially offered. The price and identifying information, if put forth in an exchange with public access, is a public good rather than a private entitlement. I, the potential buyer, am free to record that price and those details for comparison or sharing or any other use I so choose to make of with those facts.

2) the facts associated with Craigslist data can be found all over the internet and do not have to be gleaned (scraped) from Craigslist itself. Craigslist is not operating a members only walled garden and has already availed itself to search engines which make their data (along with all other discoverable facts on the internet) available in public domain space. It might be harder to find the data indirectly than directly (as Craigslist doesn’t have an API of its own), but that doesn’t mean that the data isn’t already out there and available to anyone who is willing to put the work in to find and organize those (or any other) postings about goods and services for sale to the general public.

Treat point #1 as an understanding of “what the data is.” Treat point #2 as an understanding of “where the data comes from.” No Terms of Use can trump existing copyright law or first amendment free speech protections. Its true that we live in America where entities write all sorts of predatory contracts with outlandish claims of liquidated damages. But if the claims are, in fact, based on a bogus pretense, then eventually the fallacy will be challenged and over turned. And while a Terms of Use could set conditions for accessing particular private servers by CL, if PadMapper is using alternative public domain sources, what possible access issue could there be?

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While they may obey the speed limit, they will also drive in the right lane so it's OK. What is annoying are people blocking passing lanes which results in aggressive drivers making less than good decisions about maneuvering around the blockage.
Are you aware that you are doing exactly what grandparent is complaining about?
This will be an issue as long as we have more human drivers and few self-driving cars. In future when there are more or all of them are self-driving ones, there won't be any need for limits - speed or otherwise. The cars can know the position, speed of each other and figure out how fast they can go to reach their destinations. Perhaps you can pay a subscription so you can always drive at a higher speed than most normal people or buy tickets to drive fast for that day when you need most.
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Actually it is very important from a fuel economy perspective. Air resistance is quadratic in velocity, so a car that gets 35mpg at 65mph will get, say, 20mpg going 85. On the other hand, the possibility of convoy driving (http://phys.org/news/2011-05-drivers.html) means you might be able to have your cake and eat it too: rapid travel with little efficiency loss from wind resistance.
I agree. I have no idea what he is talking about.
Which would be relevant if HN had flamewars. It does not. It does not even have a significant frequency of individual flames.

A flame is a long impassioned harangue or rant.
No disagreement with that at all. How does that relate to renting my couch or a room?
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As cool as NFC is, it feels like so many other technologies that flounder around due to poor marketing and lack of understanding of basic human factors - until - Apple enters and sweeps the board and shows everyone how to do it.

The interesting thing is going to be whether Apple decides to invent their own standard here. I fully expect them to pull a facetime and make something that is entirely based on but completely incompatible with NFC. And I fully expect that it will dominate and force everybody else to rework their solutions. And as obnoxious as I think this behaviour is, I wish they would just get on with it so we can get through it and actually start using NFC type functionality, Apple designed or otherwise.
I'm typing this on ICS after using iPhone exclusively for nearly three years and can say I'm rather impressed with it. It is no longer nothing like the G1 (that I got one to play around for few weeks back then) or the Nexus One. It gets a lot smoother, prettier and third party software feels a little bit more likable (UI-wise) than it used to be.

Compared to when I last looked where rooting is prohibited by manufacturers, today we have something like HTCdev that provide an official way to unlock that is kind of cool.

Judging from the one in my hand right now I'm giving it about 85% of iPhone smoothness which makes me seriously looking forward to Jelly Bean. It would become my primary mobile OS of choice if Google finally get vendor update and manufacturers crapware sorted out.
The debate over the exact causes of traffic accidents, fatalities, with regard to speed limits, intoxication, texting, etc. can be simplified by just agreeing that the largest general cause is driver inattention or error, without drilling down any deeper.

Driverless cars are fully attentive, and should have a lower error rate than normal / tired / drunk / distracted / angry / frustrated humans. This I welcome.
I'm betting you are on iOS :-)

Links come from all over the place such as email and websites. I hope people have got into the habit of checking links before clicking on them!

In any event on Android from a web browser not on your device you can go to the Play store web site and install apps on your device.

It looks like you can do the same thing if you are on a system that has iTunes installed for iOS although it is more clicks and possibly involves cables.
Once we get to the point where all cars on highways are automation capable, if not outright enabled, there should be the option to have speed dictated by road conditions so that, under optimal conditions, the system could adjust speed up, and adjust speed down as conditions worsen. That is, allow speed to be variable and dependent on conditions on the road (at that particular section). Or, they could rate different lanes at different speeds, or a combo allowing people to tell the system where to merge into.

There is the complication of less capable cars --so that maybe bunches of cars (those part of a wave of traffic) would have to submit to the safety levels of the least safe vehicle. (Let's say a bunch of high performance sports cars and an economical car which isn't designed for hugging the road nor has grippy tires; or, throw in a cargo truck).

Maybe the rightmost lane could be reserved for non autonomous vehicles like classics and holdouts (people afraid of automation/driverlessness).

Given that speeding tickets would be rare, the state could impose fees based on a combination of emissions and also road wear (tonnage, for example) to offset lost revenue.
And my state, for one, will have to find another source of revenue. It's politically impossible to raise taxes, or even keep taxes at the same level, in Washington.
Not sure if you're actually an Android developer but I just ran into this issue while working on an app: AccountManager isn't really meant to be used as a standalone password store, it needs to be hooked into a SyncAdapter & ContentProvider in order to function properly. (http://stackoverflow.com/a/8614699/188197)

Its purpose is to allow the system-wide SyncManager to manage syncing data to/from a web service in the background. But if your goal is just to store user credentials somewhere, it's not necessarily the right place to do so, which is why I imagine some apps choose not to use it.
My point was if we're supposed to root for a winner (which is stupid), it hardly seems impressive to use an article like this as your argument.

The reason so many care about these numbers is they want to use them to say their OS is better than the other when it isn't relevant at all. And, the masses make a lot of dumb decisions: just watch the elections coming up!

That doesn't make my remark any less true. Walk in to a cellular store and there is one or two iPhone models on the display. The entire rest of the store is Android phones made by dozens of different companies with new models coming out every day. Of course Android should have the bigger numbers, look at what the iPhone is competing against! Not to mention, a lot of Android builders will cut corners on build quality and offer the same mostly software features as the iPhone on much cheaper hardware. Which phone is your mom gonna pick? The expensive iPhone or the plastic Android sitting next to it that claims to do the same thing—but free with a 2 year contract.

If I'm being defensive, it's because I'm annoyed. I come to hacker news to learn new things and peek in to the world of development, something I'm fascinated in as a designer. I just so fucking sick of the flamebait threads.
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A single access point coupled with a typically lousy phone wifi antenna's range, narrows you down to well under a few hundred feet in my experience.

And Google's Streetview wifi data hoovering means thay've got a pretty good database of wifi access points to geographic co-ordinates. And I bet they're not the only ones building that database. I'd bet pretty good money that there was no ethical oversight or data retention/protection policy in place befre this started: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/security/police-t...
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Hopefully within the next 30 years or so, we will gradually phase out driver's licenses. Much like how smoking was ubiquitous in the 50s & 60s, but as we as a society came to realize its grave dangers, it gradually became illegal in many public places.

The idea that we allow almost anyone 16 or older to control several thousand pounds of metal that can travel at high speeds really is quite absurd when you think about it. There are more than 30,000 deaths every year due to car accidents, and hundreds of thousands more injuries.

It's amazing how screwed up our society's priorities are. That's ten 9/11's worth of deaths every year from car accidents. By the time the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have ended, we'll have spent around $4 trillion on them altogether[0]. If even 1/100th of that had been redirected to research on self-driving car technology, we might have already saved tens of thousands of lives.

0: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/29/us-usa-war-idUSTRE...
Well, there are a lot of other reasons for the speed limits as well.

Lack of sufficient climbing lanes on most of the original interstate system. Poorly designed junctions, including merges into the high-speed lanes Inadequate road thickness (autobahn is 55-75cm, US is 28cm), initial quality, drainage capability and maintenance. Inadequate driver training. Lack of enforcement for failing to bear right (though the US is doing this more now) and other minor moving violations that disrupt traffic flow.

The US interstate system would need considerable re-engineering, more funding to keep up with the required maintenance, and both tougher licensing requirements and stricter enforcement of minor moving violations that increase risk. It's a huge cost, that doesn't provide proportionate benefit in all parts of the country, and a questionable ROI. Trust me, I'd love higher speed limits, but I realize the giant mountain of money and effort that would be required to make it happen.
But you won't notice the speed because you'll be working in your car, not minding the road.
The certificate authority should revoke their signing certificate if their binary is found to contain malware, returning them to the big warning state.
At least when they do the screen won't shatter!!!!1
I've tried a few. Nothing too exciting. The 3rd party software kind of ruins the Android experience. Google can't do too much about that.

I was far more impressed with the Windows Phone actually. I also liked webOS and I'm excited to see what they do with the Firefox OS.
Who are the four people who were originally granted the patent? I tried searching for them but all I got were either patent grants or the news about them suing other companies. I am interested in finding out the technical credentials of these inventors.
Maybe try wrapping your phone in tinfoil? If that doesn't work, maybe try two layers. And if that doesn't work, perhaps you could also try a tinfoil hat.
I'm not sure I'd feel safe about convoy driving unless there were some kind of way to manage emergencies (like a tire blowout, engine problem, deer) which under normal circumstances isn't very dangerous because you have a second or two to manoeuver. But in a close convoy system, there is little room for error and even an automated system may be unable to compensate for the emergency in a timely fashion thus resulting in a chain reaction crash --the kind we see in foggy conditions with human drivers.
Easy there, eridius didn't say anything about refuting anything. Relax, and thank you for the information.
Emergencies like your parents having a heart attack. When someone needs to reach you quickly, not the other way around.
That's right. What you describe has been automated as an adaptive cruise control.

Almost a decade ago, traffic studies demonstrated that if only 20% of cars used adaptive cruise control, then traffic jams would be greatly diminished at then-peak carrying capacity. Or more cars could be carried on a particular road before traffic jams occurred.

Adaptive Cruise Control is currently a feature on many luxury cars, but will trickle down to mass market cars during the transition to driverless vehicles.
Hmmm. If I were a "cut-the-corners to the borders of being bent" cop (al la McNulty from Wired), I'd consider dropping cheap access points around places where I'd like to know if my "suspects" frequented, with SSIDs that matched local free wifi sources so that if a target had ever connected to the free wifi at the local McDonalds or Starbucks, their phone might automatically hook up to my "cloned" version of those hotspots. You'd be able to capture mac addresses from connection attempts, or being a little more evil - you could log any resulting traffic (and mitm ssl connections too, I wonder how many smartphone email/IM/socialnetwork apps do strong certificate checking?)
I'll be fine with that as long as lane splitting is legal on my non-autonomous motorcycle. Since lane splitting is legal in CA, I wonder how well google's vehicles deal with other drivers that split lanes?
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It's amazing how screwed up our society's priorities are.

Consider it rationally. Driving is costly, but it engenders an entire host of benefits & pleasures I don't think you're even considering.

I'm not saying I'm happy driving is dangerous, but saying "Driving is dangerous, and yet we do it? WTF?" is ridiculous.
Node is a really nice word for what the article describes.

The word "tracker" doesn't roll off the tongue very well and I think it suffers from the same flaw that the article criticizes about "phone", namely that it focuses on a specific aspect of a multi-purpose device.
Node seems a much better choice since it connotes all the important aspects of a smart phone:

- Connection to a network for the purpose of information sharing
- Being identifiable and addressable
- Processing capabilities

If we choose to find a more suitable name, I'd suggest maybe "Personal Node" or "Smart Node".
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Not so.

When you go to driverless cars you can have higher traffic volumes on the road before you have to slow down. However the fundamental mathematical fact behind car jams is that you can pass more cars/second at high speed than at low. So if you have a road running near capacity at high speed and anything goes wrong, then you get a car jam that by necessity must travel backwards and grow in the process.

During peak commute hours, the volume of people who want to be on the road exceeds their capacity. As long as this remains the case, we'll continue to have car jams.
> Of course Windows Phone though the most beautiful OS of the three is well behind these two.

Agreed.

And iOS 6 is pathetic. I feel completely let down. Apple continues their push to make iOS look like shit with each release by adopting more skeuomorphic UI themes. They ignore all the issues with iTunes. Really, this is the first release of iOS, ever, that I haven't been eagerly anticipating the release.
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I believe Google has publicly said a few things that are slightly contrary to this. Their vehicles are allowed to exceed the speed limit by 5%-10% in order to keep pace with a car in front of them. They do this because currently there are few things as reliable in terms of road information as another car being driven by a human. So the code makes an exception basically saying that its better to break the speed limit in order to be able to do the lazy thing and follow another car.

Having worked on an autonomous car and competed in the Urban Challenge I can attest to the safety of these vehicles. They truly can navigate obstacles that are withing 2-3 inches of the car reliably and confidently. The other interesting thing is that highways are in many ways one of the easiest types of road to drive on. Highway driving while fast, is very structured. There are relatively few rules to follow and they are rarely broken. For this reason I believe highways will be the initial realm of autonomous vehicles and that they will be allowed to drive at higher speeds(perhaps under the guise of human control of the speed in order to shift the blame to a human party.)
I'm probably not the target audience for this because I don't understand what the proposal is. Or maybe I'd have to read some of his earlier posts to understand what this is about.

What is a real time feed and service or a social platform in general? Is this basically Facebook sans the UI for a monthly fee?
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A quick Google search turned up this [1], this [2], and this [3], all which seem to indicate that StartCom certificates were unsupported on Windows Phone, at least as of 7.0 RTM. So the problem may indeed be as simple (and frustrating!) as an untrusted root.

[1] http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/windowsphone7seri...

[2] https://forum.startcom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1802

[2] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8430849/app-using-startco...
I suppose that new use taxes will be created for driverless cars. Especially driverless and eventually passenger-free commercial vehicles. The state can take a share from the resulting productivity increase.

As a thought experiment, imagine that Walmart is given the opportunity to buy more expensive driverless long haul trucks, that are still much cheaper to operate because no driver is needed. Walmart would be willing to pay a use tax for each mile driven as long as the total business case made sense for the life of the new vehicles.
> Consider it rationally. Driving is costly, but it engenders an entire host of benefits & pleasures I don't think you're even considering.

I am considering it entirely rationally. I believe that we should be investing more money into research that could save 30,000 lives every year. Never did I suggest in my initial post that human driving should be banned before self-driving cars are capable of replacing humans in this capacity. If done correctly, self-driving cars will have all the benefits of current automobiles, and then some.

As for the pleasures of driving - that's what a whole lot of people said about cigarettes, but look where we are now. And don't be silly - no one's personal "pleasures" override the safety of other people's lives.