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> Long story short, if you step into a bar full of males who normally have few opportunities to make contact with women in a social context...yes, you are stepping into the lion's den. Males are sexual, but not necessarily "sexist" -- don't confuse the two.

On the one hand, I believe you are technically correct (the best kind of correct). On the other, you seem to be implying that this kind of behavior is somehow ok or even justifiable. Explainable, certainly, but it's not justifiable. "Stepping into the lion's den" makes it sound like it's their fault for going to Defcon and not expecting to get grabbed.

If this was something as harmless as a lot of men glancing at her, or even the occasional crude date offer, I would agree with you, but being grabbed, asked to show tits, etc. These cross a line that any reasonable person would know not to cross.

It's reasonable to minimize potentially promiscuous clothing at an event full of under-socialized individuals. It's not reasonable to have to pass out cards that identify that blatant propositioning is inappropriate.
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Oh for heaven's sake. It is not acceptable to ask strangers to display their bodies, no matter how rarely you get out. If you want to see somebody with their clothes off, go to a fucking strip club. Stop making excuses for this bullshit behavior. If you can't understand this, visit a therapist who can help you to navigate social situations.
The thing is that pickup artistry is a school of thought developed in the part of society populated with folks who like to get fake tans and club every weekend with girls whose lack of wit is matched only by their lack of self-respect.
I do not believe you can improve generic list comprehension/generator system to a level it would have the speed of a specialized C function, unless you make a special case in the compiler which would effectively call such function instead of actually generating the code as written.
> stereotyping, [...] women, on the basis of sex."

Licking a woman's shoulder, because she is a woman, is clearly a sexist act. It's also a criminal offence in several countries.

I cannot believe that we still need to have this discussion.

I have every sympathy for lonely, isolated, people; especially if they're on the ASD spectrum. I'd welcome any sensible effort to help those people develop some social skills or get some nice social life or some company. But that does not excuse them when they assault another person - and a deliberate touch without their permission counts as battery.
I always thought that this was a feature for the OS X developers to 'debug' their transitions. You can do fun stuff with it though, e.g.:

- Open a terminal, enter "killall Dock", don't press return yet.

- Surf to HackerNews in your favorite webbrowser ;).

- Hold shift and minimize the window.

- Very quickly switch to the terminal and press return.

Now your browser is stuck somewhere halfway the transition. The nice thing is that you can still use your web browser in its deformed state.

You can fix your web browser by (really) minimizing and then maximizing it.
That is not the only reason. There is also the issue of quantity. 1% of Singapore is very very different from 1% of the Philippines.
Well, is it the dictionary that holds the true definition or is it the people who use the word who do?

Give it a thought and you'll realize that the dictionary is made of (static) paper but language is an evolving, living thing.

You claim we men, like animals, can't control ourselves, but that is false. Everyone everyday has 'opportunities' to harass women. But believe it or not, even men can be civilized and gentle. Try it!

Is the bully innocent because all the nerds are just so very dorky? Is the creep innocent just because there are too many women?
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There is a grain of truth in what you say but if you look behind the individual acts I think it does show sexism.

The idea that a woman would 'show her tits' in public or private to a strange man when asked in public smacks me as sexist. Who ever created the score sheet where one of the goals was to 'get a woman to show her tits' shows an objectification of woman as purely sexual objects. This disadvantages 50% of the population based on their mammary glands.

It is a fact that men and woman flirt, it's one of the most exciting things that can happen, when two people click its quite frankly amazing.

This needs to be separated from pure objectification of anyone. If it were woman asking to see men's gonads many many men would feel deeply uncomfortable surrounded by woman with an expectation of a show and an implicit questioning/judging of the quality of their sack.
Everyone with emotions also needs some kind of moral code that complements the emotions and gives both adequate explanations and society-beneficial outcomes - and that includes appropriate behavior for settings like a professional conference.

The problem is, and has been since the dawn of civilization - which moral code is best, and how do we educate people into it?

Your stated view has a "might makes right" ring to it - it's acceptable for the majority to prey on the minority. I hope you don't really think that's optimal for society.
I'm pretty sure that "re-factoring" could've been accomplished equally fast with the mouse. In most editors, you can double-click to select a token and triple-click to select a line. So the mouse version would be: double-click 10, copy, double-click ten, paste, triple click the line you want to delete, press delete. Pretty fast, really; especially if you're using a laptop where the cost of moving your hand to the mouse is negligible.

I tried Vim for several months and got reasonably competent. But then I timed myself doing the Vim tutorial with Vim and Gedit, and Gedit won handily. For this reason I'm convinced that Vim is only popular because using it gives you hacker cred.

I'm open to changing my mind based on solid experimental evidence, but for now I only use Vim occasionally, for the macros.
I like etymology, and I'm fine with being a pedant too.
I guess I have to send a reply to my past self:

I don't think hope is enough, actually. The Freedom Box needs volunteers desperately. Everything from code to user interface to ideas.

So I suppose my hope is: I really, really hope more people get involved.

After all, it is we the people who ultimately are creating the thing.
To be honest, I think you are trying really hard to pretend my points aren't made rather than trying to use my points to investigate the phenomenon. I'll admit I'm not explaining them terribly well - its been 4 years since I've taken active part - but there's enough information in there that you could use it as a starting point if you were truly interested, which I think you aren't.
I'm more interested in an alternative to write desktop apps in, rather than small one off scripts.

I'm interested in this from a vision point of view. What are going to be your first "written-using-Rust" apps ? Firefox is gargantuan, so it cant be your first. Ergo, the question about platform toolkit compatibility. If you build that one first, you will start spawning an ecosystem almost instantly... if you want.

Mono, Vala, etc. have nice apps that people love. I am wondering on how can you bridge the gap between javascript/Qtscript and Rust to make it easier to build apps in.
Prejudice, as in, a default judgment/assessment weighing against an individual? I submit that the idea that it's permitted to treat this person less respectfully because they are a woman is such a judgment, and it is on the basis of sex.

Stereotyping, as in a belief... about specific types of individuals or certain ways of doing things, but that belief may or may not accurately reflect reality. Again, I submit that the entire story is about OP having to contend with the notion that any and all women are available and open to sexual advances, and that the prejudice against respectful behavior toward them makes it easier/permissible to make those advances.

The fact that you simply cannot conceive of a plausible reverse scenario does not mean that something is not sexism. There doesn't have to be a reverse scenario, nor do mitigating life circumstances matter; everyone has a back story.

Your last line is one small step away from saying that women who wear short skirts are asking to be groped. It's tantamount to saying women don't deserve to be treated respectfully or feel safe, if enough of the males surrounding them are losers.

You might as well be saying, "don't have boobs, some men haven't seen those."
I like the idea of the cards. I couldn't read them. Partly because they're weirdly using text in a jpeg.

I'm gently worried about how well they'll be received. Already in this thread there's disagreement. Imagine what that's like when you're surrounded by drunk men. But good luck to them.

Clear colour / symbol coding is used sometimes with people who have learning disabilities. For example, when they need to go to a hospital for treatment they can have a sheet with "green square - things I like" and "red circle - Things you must not do" lists. Or cards at meetings to suggest people slow down or take turns in speaking. These ideas are simple, and work really well, and some people are trying to expand them into use for the general population.
Apple was in a terrible situation around the end of the 90's. Steve Jobs just became CEO and had to manage the crisis, both internally as well as externally (developers for Apple's platform).

This talk at WWDC 97 shows how Steve Jobs dealt with the crisis. There are some parallels with the article.

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anyone knows which forum software they used?
These tips doesn't feel crisis-specific to me.
Oh, man ... you're probably going to be sorry you asked, but here it is - my first coding book:

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the irony of that is that digg started as a site just covering tech! in fact one might say that it started to go downhill when it expanded their categories...
>"There is something about IT that either appeals especially to males, or males are particularly skilled at."

Oh please, have a look outside North America and Europe. And at history. Chineese hackers and 'IT professionals' are of all genders. Hell, even in backwards US&Europe women are and has been computer heroes. Grace Hopper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper) and Ada Lovelace (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace) for instance.

Just because European and American coulture is one way doesnt make it universally true.
Well, Norway is dealing with their attack quite well.
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Really? That's just kind of ridiculous. Where are you going to hide? The Big Bad Boogey Man is going to get you.
Without fail, the top comment on every HN link related to sexism in the field is "that's not sexism!". What is it going to take to convince you that sexism in the tech community is real and is a big part of why there are so few women? How many women have to tell you about their experiences being sexually harassed at tech conferences before you realize that it is a problem? HN/Reddit's responses to this kind of article piss me off almost as much as the events described in the articles themselves.
Very good proposal. There are more unicode symbols to choice from: http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/geometric_shapes.html

Down arrow/triangle: ▼

It is not only matter of resolution but I personally like bigger fonts and have zoomed in HN so triangles look bad:

http://i.imgur.com/fpA7N.png
What? As a game developer what data type and value should I specify for font rendering on an iphone, ipad, 32" 720p LCD, 42" 1080p LCD, 60" 1080p LCD, and 120" 1080p projector? Bonus points for solving a similar set but for printed text ranging from index card to billboard size.

This is not a simple problem with a simple solution. If it were simple then there wouldn't be multiple topics and giant discussions associated with each.
I wish it was that easy. I took an online computer course last year, and the instructor setup a Facebook page to share important information.
"With a glaring exception. Pure math is about 40% women. And based on the ones that I've known, many would be competent at, and happy in, other mathematically inclined areas but they gravitate towards math..."

Yes, I've noticed that too.

"because mathematicians tend to be clueless enough to avoid being offensive."

Are you sure about that reasoning? Are mathematicians really that different from from scientists? I'd like to see some solid study on why math is more popular to women than sciences.
My personal experience of managing a team during a crisis is not related to the IT field; however I believe it is still applicable.

I have found that team-members will sit tight and follow courageously a leader that is very competent in their field of work. I have seen very charismatic leaders fail in front of a crisis because their team didn't have faith in their ability to lead them through the storm. While the less charismatics but more competent leaders had their team members doing everything they could to support them.

It leads me to believe that charisma, politics and sensibility are all nice when everything goes well, but what really matters, in the end, is skills.
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Hi gavanwoolery,

There's potentially quite a bit to unpack in your statement above. I'm going to try to keep it short and to the point, because it seems you missed it in the original post. You may be a truly masterful troll.

The poster made the cards because she is literally subject to an onslaught of crude behavior, simply due to her appearing to be a woman, while at Defcon. Defcon, as you may know, is open to anyone who wants to attend. It is not a "lion's den". Nobody should have to question whether or not they should restrict themselves from entering a public place with their friends, especially due to a feature of their humanity that was present from birth.

Furthermore, this is anything but an isolated incident, which your lion's den theory that she should know better acknowledges.

The idea that the expression of male sexuality is completely justified no matter what form it takes is obviously ludicrous and impinging on the human rights of non-males. The conception of this male behavior being expected or unavoidable is exactly what is meant by male privilege.

Simply imagine you were subject to this behavior constantly by a group of people who are generally bigger, stronger, rarely held to account, defend each other as a group, and make a great deal more money than you over your lifetime.

Each individual act is not necessarily sexist; to contend that anyone is saying that is building a atraw man.

Sexism is an aggregation of these behaviors that is unfairly inflicted upon one group by another.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, if you do.
It will also look crisp on my normal-resolution display. This website's font is too small for me so I always open it in 150%.
It's not enough to measure the ROI on the advertising; the ROI needs to be higher than the alternatives. In other words, are you considering opportunity cost?
I wrote a paper once in college over this. It wasn't a master thesis or anything, but the conclusion I reached was that pick up artist stuff was really just hooking emotionally crippled men up with emotionally crippled women.

I read "The Game" by Neil Strauss as part of my paper and the guy he follows in it, Mystery, is very emotionally under developed. He throws temper tantrums continually. Both Neil and Mystery seem to have huge self esteem problems and use pick up artist tricks to try to make themselves feel better without ever addressing their core problems.

The women they meet on their journey, according to them, are fantastic looking, but they too have huge emotional problems, mainly very very low self worth.

So you have these guys who are pretty intelligent from a sort of book stand point and these girls who have very low self esteem. In the end everyone in the book seemed to be worse off. Many of them spiral out of control and end up pretty bad.

It was pretty sad. :(
Huh, I didn't know Arc was that good at Unicode. It even renders the flip table emoticon.
I'm very sure a lot of things have to happen before a weird private message thread ends up in an accusation that ruins someone's life.

A false negative could ruin the child's life just as easily, so I suspect most parents might think that's more important. It's not necessary to choose either "privacy uber alles" or "think of the children". As with most things in life, there's likely a good balance somewhere between the extremes.
Whilst there appear to be many reasonable male members of the IT community, one thing holding us back is the number of people who attempt to justify a blatantly wrong situation.

Examples include arguing over the definition of sexism, saying stuff like "that's just the difference between men and women," or coming up with hyperbole about how it's not now possible to talk to woman without being labelled a creep.

I do wonder how much is because, to badly misquote Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash, of males believing that they're too intelligent to be sexist.
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“Peter Norton’s Assembly Language Book for the IBM PC”, a handmedown or yard sale find or something. It inspired an early interest in OS development and a few mid-teen years of booting My Very Own OS off a floppy on my middle school’s computers. Compilers and games have since seduced me back into userland, though.
Excellent idea! Now if we could only convince w3C that the entire Unicode Symbol Set deserves names and not hex or octal then I'd be very happy indeed &#9822; should be bnight and so on...
Or go contentless via CSS triangles:

http://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/css-triangle/
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With any large gathering of people you are certain to find a number of outliers with disrespectful social impositions (being racist, sexism or anti-techism.) Defcon is no exception, so it is a grave presumption to place the blame an event itself for the disrespectful actions of a handful of attendees (unless there is a track of "how to seduce women by licking tattoos" at the event.) Furthermore, the fact it is Defcon is held in Las Vegas which only fuels any such flames of inappropriate behaviour with litres of alcohol and tourists who may just be at the casino bar per-chance.

This said, I am for these cards. Sometimes people simply need to be told in a direct matter to knock it off. However, please do not cast blame on an entire event for the misguided actions of a few people.

I hope this individual has an enjoyable time this year, at the least it appears they plan on returning so whatever misdoings of last year were not enough to dissuade a return visit (even if they plan to now be armed with Defcon funded "creeper cards" it should make the whole experience fare more interesting or enlightening for all involved.)
Yes, this. It will also make the pages render faster. On the homepage alone there are 30 instances of grayarrow.gif.
So... a behaviour like "Like the man who tried to get me to show him my tits so he could punch a hole in a card that, when filled, would net him a favor from one of the official security staff" - expecting that to actually work. Expecting women to think that was okay. That's not "stereotyping" or "Prejudice"?

Expecting women to be okay with "Like the man who drunkenly tried to lick my shoulder tattoo. Like the man who grabbed my hips while I was waiting for a drink at the EFF party" is not discrimination?

Long story short, if you step into a bar full of males who normally have few opportunities to make contact with women in a social context...yes, you are stepping into the lion's den. Males are sexual, but not necessarily "sexist" -- don't confuse the two.

Humans are sexual. Men and women. Wanting to have sex does not automatically mean you have to be an asshat. Being an introvert and wanting to have sex doesn't mean you have to be an asshat. I managed to do it when I was young. My friends did to. Treating other human beings with respect shouldn't be a hard thing for people to learn.
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>the notion that any and all women are available and open to sexual advances

Advances, in and of themselves, are fine. All people are subject to them, and simple rejection should suffice to show a lack of openness. The line is crossed when those advances are disrespectful and/or inappropriate.

If you put 950 men and 50 women together, those women will get hit on, and there's nothing wrong with that. The wrongness comes from treating the women as objects or somehow not as deserving of respect as their male counterparts. We wouldn't be hearing about this if the advances were restricted to, "would you like to grab a drink later?".
1. Men and women being different does not make sexism ok. Flippant comments like that are unhelpful (at best) and downright malicious (at worst).

2. Exceptionalism ('it is distinctly different from other "professional" fields') is a "code smell" that you're way off base. Civil engineering, for example, is a male dominated profession that has made huge strides in both standards, ethical behaviour, inclusiveness and direct action toward encourage more females considering it as a career from a young age. Women simply don't get treated nearly as poorly at a (for example) roading engineering conference than an IT security conference.

> "...that people continuously seem to be amaaaaaazed that this stuff still happens is getting a bit ridiculous."

Whereas you just roll your eyes and tell people to Lighten Up? The only way it will change is if you start treating the issue as something that shouldn't happen. Until you are shocked that it happens, you're part of the problem.
OK, I don't know what "enough people going out of their way to create false positives" really means but that's never going to happen.