skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> If it requires the programmer to bear the responsibility for proper usage (eg. must use checked_add not rely on panic), how's that different than the issues with undefined behavior?

It comes down to the blast radius for a mistake. A mistake involving UB can potentially result in completely arbitrary behavior. A mistake in the safe subset of a language is still a mistake, but the universe of possible consequences is smaller. How much smaller depends on the language in question.

> I'm also concerned with the differing functional behavior between debug and release

IIRC this was a compromise. In an ideal world Rust would always panic on overflow, but the performance consequences were considered to be severe enough to potentially hinder adoption. In addition, overflow checking was not considered memory safety-critical as mandatory bounds checks in safe code would prevent overflow errors from causing memory safety issues in safe Rust.

I believe at the time it was stated that if the cost of overflow checking ever got low enough checking may be (re)enabled on release builds. I'm not sure whether that's still in the cards.

It's not ideal and can lead to problems as you point out when unsafe code is involved (also e.g., CVE-2018-1000810 [0]), but that's the nature of compromises, for better or worse.

[0]: https://groups.google.com/g/rustlang-security-announcements/...
Yeah... The UI at the very least looks very v0-ish, it doesn't consider UX at all. The tools are cool though
How exactly are they getting cost down compared to an EV6? EV6 starts at 43k at least in the US.
Divide-or-Conquer? Which Part Should You Distill Your LLM?
> After long deliberation and co-design sessions we have concluded that defining training data as a benefit, not a requirement, is the best way to go

Huh, then this will be a useful definition.

The FSF position is untenable. Sure, it’s philosophically pure. But given a choice between a practical definition and a pedantically-correct but useless one, people will use the former. Irrespective of what some organisation claims.

> would have been better, he said, if the OSI had not tried to "bend and reshape a decades old definition" and instead had tried to craft something from a clean slate

Not how language works.
You can link to a specific puzzle through the share link in the settings menu, but it won’t save your state.
The impact would appear to be low for Apple and good for Masimo. Only $250 in damages awarded. More importantly, as the article says:

> Masimo touts the jury’s ruling as a victory as Apple failed to win an injunction. “Apple primarily sought an injunction against Masimo’s current products, and the jury’s verdict is a victory for Masimo on that issue,” the company said in a statement.
Rapamycin and Anti-Aging: What to Know
I disagree. This is the exception rather than the rule. The more corporate, the
more likely to give the people what they want.
I’m sure this will be controversial for some reason, but I think we should mostly reject the OSI’s definitions of “open” anything and leave that to the engineering public.

I don’t need a board to tell me what’s open.

And in the case of AI, if I can’t train the model from source materials with public source code and end up with the same weights, then it’s not open.

I don’t need people to tell me that.

OSI approved this and that has turned into a Ministry of Magic approved thinking situation that feels gross to me.
> I think prop 8 was previously nullified by Hollingsworth v. Perry?

Looks like it. That decision came down around the first time I excised the daily news from my life after spending too many years as a news junkie and before I valued reading court opinions so I missed it.

Re: Focus: Most ballot measures that have ever appeared on the ballot aren’t worth the paper they were printed on, yet they’re still there. Short of eliminating the popular ballot initiative process—something I could get behind—we’re long past the point of asking whether something is “worth” voting on for a reason like that. Someone wanted it on the ballot badly enough to make it happen and by our own laws that’s basically their right, so it’s on the ballot. Just like the mofos who always try to get that dumb kidney dialysis measure passed almost every election cycle.
Yes, but what about IPv6 over Amazon S3?

https://xeiaso.net/blog/anything-message-queue/
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41937792.
Fitting a Forth in 512 bytes (2021)
Probably nobody would have changed their mind.

But it exposes the fiction that Bezos allows editorial freedom at the WaPo.
So if quality news outlets no longer provide journalism when we need it most (breaking down candidate platforms, keeping candidates honest, …). Then it shifts to a variety of unverified sources (ie, TikTok, Fb, Telegram, et al) for those that couldn’t find anything credible.

The population already struggles with determining fact from fiction. Taking away the power from journalists because a _billionaire_ wants to ensure his wealth remains high.
I’ll add: and if you lease a VPS, check out its address reputation and reverse DNS record.
Cannot in any way understand why this is an actual issue.
Sheesh If more newspapers would stay out of endorsing political parties we would live in a better world.

Frankly leftist newspaper propaganda has done little but make the rightist ( especially the ones with a racist agenda ) political parties expand massively.

Every election i. almost any european country is showing this trend.

Why on earth are you all flaming this? Because it means its a hidden Trump support? Kamala is immensly unpopular, outside of all the glam endorsements.
She is no Obama thats for sure.
How abour adressing the root cause of that?

Wow I wish every newspaper was properly unbiased.

tldr I think you are all idiots for outrage over lack of proper political bias in a newspaper.
Elon hasn't swayed your opinion then?
Well, I guess now democracy dies in anticipation of darkness.
There are lot of grey areas; for example, your GP comment wasn't just generated—it came with an annotation that you're a lawyer and thought it was sound. That's better than a completely pasted comment. But it was probably still on the wrong side of the line. We want comments that the commenters actually write, as part of curious human conversation.
OSI sponsors include Meta, Microsoft, Salesforce and many others. It would seem unlikely that they'd demand the training data to be free and available.

Well, another org is getting directors' salaries while open source writers get nothing.
We have a potential future president who, putting it very charitably, espouses the ideology of "For my friends — everything, for my enemies — the law", and in the least surprising development ever, billionaires suddenly warm up to this guy. Many such cases.
Anticipatory Obedience and the Media
> if I can’t train the model from source materials with public source code and end up with the same weights, then it’s not open

This is the new cracker/hacker, GIF pronunciation, crypto(currency)/crypto(graphy) mole hill. Like sure, nobody forces you to recognise any word. But the common usage already precludes open training data—that will only get more ensconced as more contracts and jurisdictions embrace it.
> If trump said 1+1=2

He says things like "I wish I had general's like Hitler's" or his political opponents are the "enemy within" and he would harness the military against them if he gets in power, and that migrants are criminals.

I really don't know how you can equate something as uncontroversial as "1+1=2" with such controversial and divisive statements.
The usual version of this is the popular SEO technique of buying an aged domain with a few backlinks and slapping a wordpress on it.
More broadly, if country X has the capacity to enforce its rulings against you, it is risky to assume that they do not apply to you, irrespective of what you think should be the case base on how you operate, where you are located, your citizenship, etc.

Many states have a wide variety of provisions applying national law in ways that might be contrary to all kinds of naive assumptions about how their jurisdiction should be limited
Absolutely.

I read about this "conundrum" that a CEO doesn't work 1000 times more than a regular employee, so why should he get paid that much, in the book "The Winner- Take-All Society" by Frank and Cook. At the time the argument sounded reasonable.

But it's not. A CEO doesn't work 1000 times harder, but his work is for sure 1000 times more impactful that the work of a regular employee.

Just compare Nadella with Ballmer. Ballmer was running the company into the ground, so much so that Paul Graham wrote an essay declaring the death of Microsoft [1]. One way or another Nadella found a way to turn the ship around and bring it back to be one of the top 3 companies in the US, and maybe in the world.

Now, take a random sample of 1000 regular employees at Microsoft. They work hard, but if they leave tomorrow and are replaced, and sometimes even if they are not replaced, Microsoft will be just fine. If Nadella leaves tomorrow, it's not at all clear that Microsoft will be fine, because we know of times before him when it wasn't fine.

[1] https://paulgraham.com/microsoft.html
People may be overreacting to some extent but that's better than succumbing to a deluge.
It matters to Trump, therefore it matters to Bezos.

Probably not a single voter cares.
What's wrong with corn?

I definitely appreciate having corn tortillas and corn chips and cornbread to diversify what is almost entirely otherwise wheat and potatoes and rice, in terms of my starches.

I need to get my calories somewhere. Don't really see what's wrong with some corn chips when I need a quick snack on the go because my last meal was five hours ago.

And heck, plenty (most?) of the fresh food I eat comes from across the country, if not from other countries entirely. But corn chips, having most of their water removed, are far more environmentally friendly to transport due to being so lightweight.
Microsoft boss gets 63% pay rise despite asking for reduction
Despite being proprietary, 1Password still hasn’t had any fuckery that I am aware of. I have been tempted to switch to an open source solution many times but I think I’ll be parking right here for a few more years yet.
I bet Linus Van Pelt knows.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pumpkin
> Maybe the supporter of the definition could demonstrate practically modifying a ML model without using the original training data, and show that it is just as easy as with the original data and it does not limit what you can do with it (e.g. demonstrate it can unlearn any parts of the original data as if they were not used).

I quite like that comment that was left on the article. I know some models you can tweak the weights, without the source data, but it does seem like you are more restricted without the actual dataset.

Personally, the data seems to be part of the source to me, in this case. I mean, the code is derived from the data itself, the weights are the artifact of training. If anything, they should provide the data, the training methodology, the model architecture, the code to train and infer, and the weights could be optional. I mean, the weights basically are equivalent to a built artifact, like the compiled software.

And that means commercially, people would pay for the cost of training. I might not have the resources to "compile" it myself, aka, run the training, so maybe I pay a subscription to a service that did.
> Ideally, search engine algorithms would give new domain owners a fresh start.

Sadly, I think this would be instantly gamed by abusers. They would release the domain name and attempt to register as a new owner or start repeatedly doing handoffs. It's difficult to tell who the owner is changing between and whether or not the new one is a better actor than the former.
The Venn diagram of those who'd be influenced by a WaPo endorsement and committed Kamala Harris voters is a perfect intersection. For 50 years, WaPo has endorsed the democratic candidate [1] for president. No mystery here. It's a pointless endorsement.

[1] https://noahveltman.com/endorsements/
link to the video where he says that. like the full video with context, not a news bite
Then again Zuck recently donated $125000 to Zaka, the Zionist org responsible for the lies about beheaded babies. Facebook also has several ex-members of the IDF's Unit 8200 on its board.
Is it activism to report on a rape survivors group and not an ice cream social?

Are there a clear bright line tests for things like "objective" and "bias" and "fair"?
Pretty similar to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-sur-Haute_military_ra...
If we become fine with wasting money at large organizations, then surely waste is going up.
Does "open-source" even make sense as a category for AI models? There isn't really a source code in the traditional sense.
PV modules don't grow themselves. Also, the CO2 has to be captured somehow. Plants double as CO2 collectors.

An upside is vastly lower water requirements, since no transpiration.
Adolf Miethe (one of Prokudin-Gorskii's mentors) made a lot of photographs but I think most were black and white. Hans Hildenbrand took color photos in the German trenches during WWI [1] and 1920/30s Germany [2], Poland [3], Hungary [4], and possibly some other countries. The Auguste and Louis Lumière autochrome collections are also worth mentioning.

Unfortunately none of them are as well restored and presented as the Library of Congress collection. A lot of their photos are in books like Endzeit Europa [5] and other commercial media instead of in the public domain.

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/...

[2] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/autochrom...

[3] https://www.vintag.es/2013/03/color-photographs-of-life-in-p...

[4] https://www.vintag.es/2012/12/beautiful-color-photos-of-hung...

[5] https://www.amazon.de/Endzeit-Europa-kollektives-deutschspra...
If it was easy to reset reputation with search engines what's stopping people from saying "under new management" every once in a while for an existing poor reputation domain? Probably better to just cut their losses and find another domain.
> Living soil consumes rock minerals making them available to plants.

Thank you. This is one of those super-underappreciated biological facts.

Industrial ag treats soil like it's a tank of fertility, and guess who sells the refills? Biologists know that healthy soil is a factory, making new fertility out of rock/air/rain/sun.

Direct from soil microbiologist Dr Elaine Ingham: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2H60ritjag
For running a mail server every new domain is haunted.
I hate OpenAI but Sam Altman is probably giddy with excitement watching the Open Source pundits fight about weights being "good enough". He's suffered the criticism over his brand for years but they own the trademark and openly have no fucks to give about the matter. Founding OpenAI more than 5 years before Open AI was defined is probably another perverse laurel he wears.

At the end of the day, what threatens OpenAI is falling apart before they hit the runway. They can't lose the Microsoft deal, they can't lose more founders (almost literally at this point) and they can't afford to let their big-ticket partnerships collapse. They are financially unstable even by Valley standards - one year in a down market could decimate them.
You can take that way if you want. But you aren't doing it justice if you just view it as purely cynical deliberate manipulation rather than a true effort at enhancing the reader's understanding.

Essentially they offer a framework of reasoning around the facts presented that the reader can use to make their own evaluation. Like if someone reports that 122,211 electric vehicles were sold last year. Is that a lot? Is that not a lot? You would need to start comparing to previous years, what external factors might be influencing sales. There is intrinsically no way to do that without introducing selective bias about what is considered or not. But the reader at least gets that context to enhance their own understanding.
Large Language Models Understand and Can Be Enhanced by Emotional Stimuli

https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.11760
Oh, interesting. I was under the impression the mandate was a lot more recent than that. Like, 2000s recent.
> There is no neutrality in the face of evil.

You are either with us, or against us.
Is this bad or good in your opinion?
The endorsement lets them write why they support the candidate. Laying out the reasons is what could be convincing, and is what's also being blocked here.
https://archive.is/RjMNg
Is what good or bad?
Related discussions:

Microsoft CEO's pay rises 63% to $79M, despite devastating year for layoffs (18 points, 4 hours ago, 22 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41949717

Microsoft CEO Nadella asked for pay reduction after security slip (19 points, 11 hours ago, 28 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41945562
> And in the case of AI, if I can’t train the model from source materials with public source code and end up with the same weights, then it’s not open.

Making training exactly reproducible locks off a lot of optimizations, you are practically not going to get bit-for-bit reproducibility for nontrivial models
> assumption that Bezos would not just be supporting him.

Where is that assumption in my GP comment? I said Bezos gave Trump the most powerful endorsement possible.

(The rest of the parent is a distraction.)
What I mean by "unbalanced" is that the US situation is not about small details and very minute distinctions. People's opinions are divided on very basic and fundamental issues, there are very radical behaviours and really big swings of money.

Trying to keep a "the truth is in the middle" attitude is unethical.

I think the main issue becomes "bad faith", and we're back to the credibility issue. IMHO discourse should be fact based, and arguments should be researched. If you're calling your opponent names, show the receipt and not vague gesturing at what you think reality is.

Blaming the other side should be fine, as long as you can defend that position.
So what is "so '90s" in Web design? (2004)
If Taylor accredits the technician, supplies the technician with proprietary tools for servicing Taylor devices, and furnishes them with replacement parts that can otherwise not be bought by consumers off the shelf - they are a Taylor employee. That is not independent repair, it is a racket.
I've always liked physics games so let's do another
Newspapers have always been like this.

Here's a front page title from the Nov. 5 1888 edition of the New York World, run by Pulitzer (yes, that one):

A Plot - The Republicans' desperate scheme to secure electors

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030193/1888-11-0...
> stop "fixing" problems that are not of your concern, let alone "fixing" them for free.

In this case iFixit's business is selling tools and materials to fix things. So, there is an incentive for them to invest in solving the problem.
I can respect that private corporations have the right to "censor" (I put that in quotes because nowadays literally any moderator action is considered censorship) while disagreeing with specific decisions by corporations to do so. I wouldn't say newspapers shouldn't endorse candidates if they endorsed Trump (as some papers have done,) but I would think that was a bad idea given Trump's animosity towards the press.

I can also distinguish between the value of the press and the value of a social media platform. Banning an account on Twitter doesn't carry the same social weight as banning journalists. To me, while both are legal and within the bounds of free speech, one is distinctly worse for society than the other.
I agree. If it's open source, surely I can at least "compile" it myself. If the data is missing, I can't do that.

We'll end up with like 5 versions of the same "open source" model, all performing differently because they're all built with their own dataset. And yet, none of those will be considered a fork lol?

I don't know what the obsession is either. If you don't want to give others permission to use and modify everything that was used to build the program, why are you wanting to trick me in thinking you are, and still calling it open source?
New essay from Jake Seliger’s widow. Baby Athena is due in the next few days.
See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40564558 and the links back from there and let me know if you still have a question :)
Haha, no I agree, but it was immediately, recognizable :)
Prop 8 has essentially become a trigger law banning gay marriage, the same as many states pre-Dobbs had trigger laws banning abortion that would become operational as soon as the Supreme Court lifted the national rule against them. While it may viewe by some as unlikely in the near term, thr fact is there is no guarantee kf any warning (much less sufficient earning for signature gathering and an election to repeal it) before such a change would go into effect. Removing the time bomb from the State Constitution is a prudent thing to do if you are at all concerned with the right it would deny.
It's good for HN commenters to learn to tolerate the passions without venting them unfiltered.
CNN first added an article 2 hours ago (I believe the attacks started 2 hours ago). It's the top article on the front web page. It's the lead item on the channel right now.
He is dang, his patience knows no boundaries
That's kind of true for normal programs as well, depending on the compiler you use, and if it has non-deterministic processes in it's compilation. But still, it's about being able to reproduce the same build process, and get a true realization of the program, even if not bit-for-bit, it's the same intended program.
This has nothing to do with them being unable to support Republicans, it's them choosing not to support a Democratic nominee (which they've done for the past 50 years) because they don't want to anger the possible Republican nominee because the owner is afraid of retribution affecting his other businesses.
I'm not aware that the government has forbidden any news outlet from endorsing Kamala Harris. It would be weird if they did.
Either the McDonalds by me is fairly lucky or this is far less common than the meme makes it out to be.

It doesn't seem like good marketing - I hadn't had it in years but wanted to try a promo mcflurry a couple years ago, and wasn't expecting it to work, which make me wonder if I shouldn't even bother going. That's the opposite of what they'd want.

But then I went, and have gone probably a couple dozen times since then in two or three years, and it's never been out of order. Obviously I'm not going every day, but across that many visits I'd be likely to catch one if the rate of failure was THAT high.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I sort of clarified via an edit - I was talking about what they were broadcasting when I learned about the event via HN.
I'm sick of this absurd FUD. You surely must realize that the claims that if Trump wins, democracy is going to end are just fearmongering, don't you?
Do you have any recomendation? Sometimes the same press release is posted by different news blogs. If there is a better one or the original one, dang may decide to change it.
> Has the Linux Foundation abandoned all principles?

All? No, but certainly some.

> Should they have fought the US government?

Yes