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I don't follow. If a judge tosses out a bad suit, it is a good thing. If they toss out a good suit, that's bad. We want judges to do the right thing.

Your view is what: that we don't want judges doing the right thing because the legal systems is somehow karmicly bound to follow it with a bad decision in some other case?

To hell with that. Posner is a hero right now. I say we celebrate.
This is an existential threat to Padmapper. Which is very sad to me, since it's easily one of my favorite sites to search for anything.
Looking at this reminds me how glad I am of the fact I get to telecommute... and the fact I only put 2900 miles on my truck last year. Very nice visuals though!
Scott Adams (author of Dilbert) suffered from this. There's a great article from Wired a few years back.

http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/17-08/ff_adams?...
I think she read wayyy to much into that bear photo... The sexual harassment type stuff never surprises me, but they handled it very well.

Master password.. shocker. I'm sure there are still ways, just not as simple anymore.
I love the domain name. Itd be a classic name for any design related startup or service
Well yeah, link-building and tweeting are also low-priority tasks compared to better understanding your customers and building something they want to pay for.
We want judges to uphold the law, not rewrite it. We have legislators for doing that, and it is very much by design that those jobs are separate.

If there are bad laws on the books that are only sporadically enforced, then people are being denied the very fundamental right of equal protection. That's never good in the long run.
Really? Straightforward, performant, concurrent code is important to a lot of people these days.
Now that this has happened, I am wondering what the direct implications of this are to the industry (especially the 'dismissed with prejudice' part).

edit: added the "to the industry" part.
That is not the list I was talking about.
Haha, I see what you did there. You confused UI with Usability. Craigslist is incredibly usable. Have you taken a look at Ebay lately? Does it look familiar? That's cos it hasn't significantly changed in 10 years. Is that because they don't care? Nope, it's because gradients and drop shadows make your product look better, but don't make it more usable.

Craigslist is a utility, not a website. They care about keeping it useful not only for users today, but for users in 10 years. That's not something startups care about at all. Startups are looking to amass users and then sell. Craigslist cares not about such goals.

Go ahead, get mad at their inflexibility. But then take a step back and think about what craigslist represents. And then wonder if you yourself would have the cajones to stick to your guns in todays startup market. I for one commend their ability to keep their product strong in the face of all the bells and whistles of web 2.0 or whatever it's called these days.
Craigslist not only has the right to choose who can consume their data, but how and when. It also, has the right to make it available any which way it likes.

That is obvious, follows directly from copyright law, and is not in dispute. PadMapper does not have a right to use Craigslist's data [1], but Craigslist sending C&Ds to PadMapper and similar sites is still shitty behavior all the same.

[1] Outside of fair use and similar stuff, but that doesn't apply here.
Paging is buggy.
Funny, commute times for both me and my wife in the NJ/NY area are longer than those listed here.

That said, it's not too far off, and useful for when we buy a home.
Once we learned how the software worked, he taught us, without batting an eye, the master password with which we could log in as any Facebook user and gain access to all messages and data.

Yikes!
This is great, would love to see it as a chrome extension!
And I'm seeing the problem with the tech industry's attitude towards women illustrated in your comment, not to mention that it's actually just one excerpt from an upcoming book (disclosed down the bottom of the article).
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Because Craigslist is a monopolist with no real competitive pressures. Their CEO and founder are also crunchy anti-capitalists who take pride in being luddites. This endears them to much of the left-wing, San Francisco tech crowd, but their shitty UI combined with monopoly power wastes dozens of human lives worth of user hours every year.
There's a lot to be said for it.

It's constant in hn discourse to put great UI up there and to give advice on it.

Yet if anyone here has sat on a Bloomberg terminal, used Craigslist, or even games like net hack or dwarf fort, it's pretty clear that interface can be damned.

Not in all cases perhaps, agreed. But in these cases, after a while of using it people get faster and develop the muscle memory to become efficient on the site, so the UI fades into the background anyway.
Mapnificent (http://www.mapnificent.net/) does something like this and even has an API.

I started writing a Chrome extension using the API that you could apply to any existing Google Maps v3 map (such as AirBnB), but I've abandoned it since 1) I was disappointed that quite a few sites with Google maps are still using older versions (such as Padmapper) and 2) I lack time. I believe the Chrome extension portion is working, but it needs a UI overlayed on the map for specifying locations of interest.

If anyone is interested in working on this, send me a message and I'll post what I have to github.
Aka "facebook is shutting down Credits".

I still don't understand why Facebook is sticking to the virtual currency/crappy online games ghetto, vs. leveraging their world-class identity and reputation position to provide a REAL alternative payment system.

Facebook could extend credit more easily and safely than any other organization.
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Great thoughts. Is > $100 million annual revenue really "relatively modest" though?
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Abso - fricken - lutely,

Except craigslist almost is a charity... for it's users.

It's the multi-million dollar business that provides services valued at billions of dollars, previously.

Craiglist indeed barely changes but as one of the largest sites on planet that gives you stuff with barely any bullsht, there's little reason to pine-away for that innovation, if you're someone using the site*.

If coolpads or whatever wanted to just volunteer their Ajax to craiglist and get a share of milk-and-cookies craiglist's thirty employees live on, cool. Otherwise, wipe those dollar signs out of your eyes. Go make the big bucks doing SAP consulting or something.
It the plaintiff can't file suit again with the same patents against the same respondent.
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I don't think Posner is disagreeing with the law, although he may be interpreting it in a somewhat unusual way. He gave detailed reasons why he threw out the case, mostly (AIUI) that neither side had adequately estimated the financial damage caused by the other company's infringement and that asking for a competitor's product to be outright banned was too harsh a penalty. This does seem to be in contrast with the Oracle-Google lawsuit, where there was a full trial to determine infringement and then afterwards they worried about the damages.
It's crappy human behavior, which is not to say 'bad business practice', to pretend to work with someone and support their efforts for 2 months, and then summarily shut down their business simply because LinkedIn made an 'informed decision' that 'we don't owe you anything.'

Let's not confuse the fact that, although businesses certainly have a right to defend their own interests any way they see fit within the law, that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the community they conduct business in will call them out when they act in a basically unkind or deceptive manner.

The former has to do with business, fine print and the dog-eat-dog, watch-your-back world of modern commerce. The latter has to do with basic human decency, trust and the goodwill of the community you do business in.

"It's just business" is all well and good, but don't get butt-hurt when the community that you work with looks at your behavior and says, "it sucks that you did it that way." That's just the cost of "doing business," right? Suck it up and take it.
This is reminiscent of Clojure's Hiccup[1]. A bit impractical in Ruby, perhaps, but it's still cool nonetheless.

[1] https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup
god. jesus. NO. you've already set the course for the "here comes another HN thread where people act/get pissy" thread, so we might as well. Here goes: You probably can't imagine what it's like

- for a female employee to be aggressively pursued by a supervisor for a sexual act, nor can you fathom

- the powerlessness of being one of those women who have all noticed this behavior and, worse,

- knowing that they can't do anything about it.

Nor, as your comment indicatese ... should anyone think it's important.

Some people might consider this worth discussion, even if they think that the issue's overblown (either this instance or generally 'women in tech'), but not you.

No, instead, you thought it would be fucking clever to do perhaps the stupidest, tritest 2003-era joke to convey your callous - in response to a pretty even-handed account, no less. It's beyond saving to be upset about the stupid shit which runs through this site, but what I am having trouble with is trying to decipher what the fucking point of your comment here is. Does mine have one either? Not really; guilty as charged. In any case - your stupid response deserves at least mine in kind, and probably also the revulsion of anyone who thinks things this-article-related should matter.

And, fuck, a tiny violin joke? Really? That's the icing on the human-shitstain cake.

Edited for emphasis, I am sorry that my infuriation has distracted you by way of cursing. But not apologizing for total derision - I'll stand by conveying how _completely fucked up_ this is. Let's take this seriously.
99% of people that use cragslist could care less. Plus, I'm pretty sure it would hurt craigslist a lot more if padmapper were to start directly competing with them.
Except that those jobs aren't separate. They overlap, by design. Congress has some enforcement powers. The executive branch has some lawmaking (i.e. regulatory) powers. The judicial branch has oversight over both. Holding a bad law as uneforceable is one way that the courts can provide feedback to congress.
More than 50 employees and one master password. Awesome.

Most companies start silo-ing waaaaay too early, everybody breaking up into little "that's not my job" cliques. It's just much less painful that way. Sounds like FB actively resisted, whether through design or chance.
I suspect CL doesn't fly in some countries mainly because other companies got the jump on them there.
> But what about all of those software businesses that have built on top of the iOS API + App Store? Would you say that they are also taking a massive risk?

Yes. Very yes. Any iOS developer with any sense is brutally aware that we serve at the pleasure of the king, as Jeff Atwood put it. Apple nurtures its developer community because a robust app store is a selling point for Apple hardware. If Apple decides your app runs contrary to Apple's goals, it's gone, and you better have a backup plan. There've been plenty of panicked anecdotes floating around the Internet on that topic. The grandparent's analysis is sound.

(Also: thousands of independent developers are building profitable businesses on iOS, but tens of thousands aren't.)
I can't reveal that, but major ones with an international presence. Most use it for modeling. They do lots of modeling.
I wasn't clear (just updated the previous comment).

What I am wondering is - does this lead to the entire patent industry coming crumbling down? I am expecting that part might not be likely, but I am trying to figure out what part is to be expected.
> [Craig] is scared and lazy to better the site through even the smallest of updates.

I'd be the same. Why mess with a goose that's already laying more gold eggs than you can use? For public service reasons maybe, but I'm confident CL is a (highly profitable) business foremost.
If you want judges to uphold the law, you must remember that the law allows for jurisprudent behaviour from judges that shape internal problems of the law and legal systems.

That is to be upheld too. There are bad cases that try to use bad laws, this was the one. You seem to be on the other side of this but that doesn't make it so that there was any 'rewriting' done by this judge. He upheld the law as in, sides were not allowed to give proof of infringement based on their own 'specialists'. Because that can turn the court to a circus as is always the case when people end up comparing rectangular shaped objects. This set the tone for the conclusion in a massive patent troll case. This may happen more and more from now on and it will bring needed change.
Hm. I'm willing to bet your response would have been taken more seriously than his (hint: it wasn't) if you hadn't taken his tone and reduced it to the point of swearing so much.

If it is such an important issue, perhaps treat it a bit more professionally.
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I think we learned of this master password probably several years ago. It's nothing new, but I keep seeing it repeated in various forms since.

Also, other discussion possibly going on here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4149731
Also, things in Russia aren't that peachy.
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You can set the size in CSS just as you can with any element.
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Those of us who didn't work at Google have no idea what you're talking about.
Oh, there's a fair bit of meta-information on the current state of Wall Street reporting and analysis. :-)
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That's just the general design philosophy of the MP components of the LAMP stack.

Do the stupidest thing that could possibly work; and it probably will. For now.
They're the same if you just put a dollar value on them. You can buy group insurance easily as a startup. Forget about everything else and just quantify it as money. In this case, you'd realize both risks when you start a company so the probability of the risk is 100%. You'd simply take the cost and multiply by 1 (probability) to quantify the risk.

#1: as I wrote earlier, you buy the insurance and it's simply a fixed cost.

#2: you have insurance so this point is invalid (you have access to cobra which is retroactive in case insurance has not been set up).

#3: Again, you have insurance.

I'm not sure why you're proposing to not purchase insurance because that's a completely different topic and discussion. My point was that the cost of insurance is easily quantified and is in fact much lower than the cost of not receiving a salary. It's about comparing apples to apples and honestly your argument really speaks to my original point that people tend to be overly emotional when evaluating insurance.
Thanks for taking the time to look this up, this is immediately what I thought of as well.

Maybe it just speaks to my own ignorance, but I found his whole public discussion (he regularly blogged about it) of his language issue incredibly fascinating: he could speak at public events, but not one on one, he had some success with 'singing' words but he couldn't emit them if spoken, etc.
hah! I have the same feeling with my stuff.
And those of us who did, well... there are some words you say, and some words you don't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth
Having a bachelor's emphasis in AI, I think you described it perfectly. I was wondering too from their abstract how they were recognizing "faces" entirely without labels, this makes it clearer. As you said, unsupervised they can find extremely high-level categories. That is pretty impressive.
You may have lost respect for them but you're still going to use CL. Which kind of proves the point.
It doesn't matter. One is a reference quality file, the other has been artificially degraded. I'm not paying the same price as a physical, reference quality medium for an artificially degraded file.
This stuff happened over 2 years ago, and what he was referring to was an ANTICIPATED change sir.

Not one he'd run into at the time, since it had yet to be changed to something random and unexpected.
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I think the guy wasn't thinking the situation through entirely, but someone of (relative respect I suppose, creator of PHP is still the creator of something widely used) respect shouldn't be acting like this. It's always a shame to see people who have promise and talent show how childish they CAN act. Having his underling (someone who works on his language of no known note) make a smartassed response was in turn also pointless and negative whether he requested/urged it passively or not.
>More than 50 employees and one master password. Awesome.

Not sure that's the word for it. Seems more like engineering naivete.

The thing is, I have a similar functionality at my company and the solution I came up with is conceptually simple but also a lot more secure.

There's an is_staff flag on every user account. If you have it set to True, you can log in as one of our customers for debugging purposes.

If you leave the company, you lose the flag. Simple as that really.

All the same power necessary to really get down and dirty with whatever problems our customers encounter, but with less potential issues.

I don't consider the above to be the end-all be-all as eventually it'll have to become more elaborate and locked down. For now, however, it seems to work well for a company of roughly seven people. :)
Depends on the region.
This certainly doesn't look like spam.
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Can you please open source all the code specific to craigslist data extraction so that others may incorporate your work into open-source projects?
It's some Linux boxes, essentially.
Either way, it makes no difference. Craigslist doesn't owe anyone anything. If people don't like it, they're invited to compete.
In Oracle-Google, there was plenty of pre-trial work on damages. IIRC, Oracle had to do three rounds of damages reports before the trial (the second and third because the previous reports were not satisfactory). Post-trial they would have determined what the damages actually were, but, in order to get their trial, Oracle did have to make a showing that there were damages worth trying.

Oracle had it easier because there were willing to license the patents and copyrights at issue (and Sun had even talked to Google about this). That made the lost licensing revenue a helpful data point with respect to damages, but with or without that there was a hurdle Oracle dealt with that Apple/Motorola didn't (based on Judge Posner's ruling).
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I disagree, craigslist sucks. It's filled with spam and it's searching and sorting options could be way better.

The only reason they don't have many competitors is because they have an information/platform monopoly. Just like many other tech companies, ebay and facebook come to mind as obvious examples.
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Building Your Business on a single API is dangerous
I see a lot of posts about people complaining their business was killed because their only single feature was they used an api.

Isn't this building your entire business by parasiting on a single host?

Personally i would have a fallback at every step so there was no single point of failure.

But using linkedin as your only source of data means your business is one gamble to see if they will allow you.

Why complain to the company when they block you when you knew you were taking a risk and the way a tick parasites on a dog the source can be cut and you will die.

Just think before your entire plan is to use one single point of data like facebook, craiglist or another place you dont own because you are taking a gamble.
"Professional" comes across as dispassionate on the internet (and often face-to-face as well). Swearing is one way to express emotion in text.
It's not shitty, it's smart, why give your data to a potential competitor? Padmapper is obstrnsibly attempting to make money right? Why should CL let PM profit for CL data? Just because YOU like PM, doesn't mean that CL is being shitty. There's a reason CL is still on top.

As far as the UI -- that's over rated. Drudge is the top trafficked news site in the world and he hasn't changed anything since 1997. Content trumps UI.
In that case Craigslist is doing right by its users, the licencor of the data, since the licensor has not granted a license to padmapper to use said data.