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We write them off because their share price has collapsed, they're firing employees left right and center, their sales are collapsing and they are posting significant losses while betting the farm on a platform that so far just isn't making much of a dent in anything.

Maybe they'll manage to recover, but even if they do, regaining the kind of position they used to have is highly unlikely..
I see your point but don't agree with the method. The protocol is known and can be decoded. If they protect the client, it will just result in better standalone bots. Actually it will make them available quicker and in better quality if the client hacking is possible.
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Why would the CIA be interested in damaging a symbiotic relationship with UK Intelligence services in order to extradite a UK national who is not being tried for anything even moderately related to their agency's remit? Or, in simpler terms, do you think the CIA cares enough about this kid to bully the home secretary into deporting him?
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I say we change it back to the 'Goddamn Particle'
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How about you actually assess how good that 'guy in marketing is'. He/she might have been an agency PR in an earlier life, or perhaps even a journalist.
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Just kicking the assumptions on point 1 - what's the start-up? what's the target market? What's the media?
The CIA is interested in expanding their power to manipulate foreign governments and to pluck foreign citizens away from their homes at will. If nothing else, this sets another precedent in their favor in that regard.

Maybe it's not coming from the CIA, I'm not totally familiar with who orders who around when it comes to this stuff. Some branch of US.gov at any rate.
Because we signed a treaty with the US that lets them do it to us, but does not let us do it to them.

When the US signs a treaty that lets us extradite KKK members we can start your policy. I suspect Mexico will have invaded California before then.
CNN carries the same story:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57465495-38/u.k-home-secre...
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Look, this isn't about some noble soul trying to better the internet for the sake of others; it's about someone who set up a commercial concern (bringing in c. 15,000 GBP/month), promoted the most popular pirated movies on its homepage, told users how to bypass a hosting site's own monetization strategies and not to complain about them as it's cheaper than going to the cinema, and after the first domain seizure, immediately set up another with a "Fuck Tha Police" video on its homepage.

For some reason, people in IT often seem to think the law doesn't apply to you if you act within sly nod nod, wink wink guidelines. As O'Dwyer's learning to his cost, that's not the case.

Primary source, but there are plenty out there:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/13/piracy-student-los...

FAQ number 7 is outrageous:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090622020415/http://community.t...

EDIT: What UK law did he break? I'm very much not a lawyer, but believe it to be Section 107, 2A of the Copyright, Designs and Patents act 1988:

A person commits an offence who—

(a)makes an article specifically designed or adapted for making copies of a particular copyright work, or

(b)has such an article in his possession,

knowing or having reason to believe that it is to be used to make infringing copies for sale or hire or for use in the course of a business

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/107
Just to confirm, CNN is carrying the same story:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57465495-38/u.k-home-secre...

The U.K. Home Office has confirmed that Home Secretary
Theresa May will not block the extradition of British
student Richard O'Dwyer to the US, despite calls for
her to intervene.
There's quite a difference in reporting though:

BoingBoing: Home Secretary to net activists: shut up, I'm rendering Richard O'Dwyer to USA

vs.

CNET: The U.K. Home Office has said the Home Secretary... will not intervene in the Richard O'Dwyer case.
Agreed, sorta had a brogrammer feel about it.
Wouldn't there be contention issues around writes to EBS in this case? I know very little about this, but I keep hearing about EC2's relatively poor IO performance and imagine that there would be a big fat traffic jam if every running instance received a signal to get their house in order before filesystems are forcibly unmounted.
What he did or didn't do is immaterial. Our sovereign government has decided not to prosecute him. A foreign power is unilaterally using their economic and military might to make our government hand over his person. That is Wrong™ and it would be so regardless of his alleged crimes.
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Hardly, large power hungry industrial plants are often located where power is easily available. For example, the aluminium smelter in Fort William in the UK has its own 85MW generating capacity:

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Neither of them cite a definitive source though. Where has the Home Office said this, and when did they say it?
"For some reason, people in IT often seem to think the law doesn't apply to you if you act within sly nod nod, wink wink guidelines."

Which UK law would that be? As I understand it, that's the contentious issue. That he didn't break the law.
I agree that he doesn't appear innocent. However, I think extradition is too heavy-handed. He should be tried in his own country.
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actually I'm a journalist and i get a lot of mails from marketing people who think they know what journalists want. Most of them do not. I have no interest in superlatives for example. Sure, you don't need one to start, but please, show me one successful startup without a professional PR person.

Edit: I think, companies need to see pr as a tool.
Like your other tools. You can write all your code in Notepad. You normally don't.
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What's/where's that?
I don't think anyone is saying what the kid did was moral, or that he didn't do anything wrong.

The point is though,

1) He didn't commit a crime in the UK. There was no law forbidding him to do these things. Rightly so? Maybe not. Does it matter? I wouldn't say so. People should get in trouble based on laws, and laws only. It's about the principle, if people can get in trouble for not breaking any laws, but you know, he's a bad dude and all, then there is a serious problem with the legal system.

2) He did this whilst in the UK, and is being extradited to the US. I read that most of the site's visitors weren't even american, I'm not sure about the accuracy of that but I don't think it matters. You shouldn't be extradited cause you did something that's illegal in another country. Are we going to start extraditing people to iran for blasphemy as well?
Less a competive thing. More a looking at what Apple is doing and why and then taking what they think will work better. Validates Apple's approach.

Did MS ever make much money on upgrades?
The only difference is hyperbole. BoingBoing doesn't pretend to be CNET or the New York Times. Anyone who can't detect hyperbole should throw themselves off a bridge.
I didn't down vote but I guess some readers disagree with your comment. iOS doesn't support flash for some years now. So if firefox OS does too, it doesn't look much like an up hill path.
Hehe, no need to apologise, thanks for replying :)

That's really very interesting; I know that there's plenty of (IMHO absurdly underpriced) general programming talent here, but didn't know that extended to being a hotbed for appsec.

If over the next few years you ever fancy finding out a bit more about Poland from a local here, feel free to drop me a line :)
That isn't completely true:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_Act_2003#Controvers...
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The post is aimed at people who admit they can't design well. Starting with the boring run-of-the-mill stuff is exactly what they need.

For people with some good designs of their own under their belt, moving onto more advanced topics is appropriate.
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I was going to mention it if you didn't. I keep seeing signs of the population returning to a "Ready, Fire, Aim, er wait" mentality, but hopefully I'm just hypersensitive to those signs.

As Wyatt Earp said,
"Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything".
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Right, where (in Firefox) you could just hit ctrl+k / cmd+k to get the cursor into the box (as opposed to ctrl+l / cmd+l to get to the omnibox). Not that much more difficult.
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Just to play devil's advocate here, if the offences were conducted in the US (US hosted servers, paid for in dollars and earning e.g. advertising revenue from US customers serving ads to US users) then maybe he has a case to answer for in the US. I don't know, I made those things up because I'm not familiar with the case. If anyone here knows more please do tell.

If that is the case, then it's just a question of whether he should be tried in the US or the UK. However if you set yourself up to do business in the US and break the law there by e.g. violating the copyrights of US companies, surely doing so while sitting in another country should be no defence?

As I say, I don't know enough about this case to be able to say but the basic principles of responsibility in play here seem sound to me. If you earn US dollars in the US and break US laws, you should be prepared to defend yourself in a US court. No?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought linking to movies instead of hosting them is legal?
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And what lesson would that be?
I can see this going down in IT folklore, "Remember to do test your backups and roll back plans, or you might end up like Ulster Bank"
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Very high cost in both fuel (a big diesel probably uses 25% of peak fuel at idle) and maintenance (idling a lot destroys the engine), and pissing off the neighbors. You're generally not allowed to run backup generators 24x7 in most areas.

It's different if you're in the middle of nowhere, but even then, maintenance issues would be prohibitive.

(It would be so much fun to build a big datacenter next to a hydro dam; you'd get both pretty high availability hydro power and the HV feed going to civilization could be used in reverse to bring power if the dam goes down; pick a site where the power goes off in two directions to two grids and you've got 2 grid feeds plus local hydro plus anything like diesel onsite backup. Then you just have issues with getting diverse fiber in, but maybe along the HV routes. Northern Oregon/Southern WA is essentially this -- which is why Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and more are putting huge facilities there.)

As an aside, you need to test your generators with actual load. AC is a little more complex than just "on or off", too. The "real" way to do this is to do periodic tests with a load bank (basically a huge resistive load which converts the electricity from the generators into heat, although if you were smart, you could get big pumps and pump a pond instead, which could be used for something useful later). Most people don't, they just spin it up, or sometimes they use facility loads for test, which is good in some ways, but if the test fails, the facility load drops, which makes people sad. Backup power can fail in all kinds of exciting ways other than just not delivering power, so it's possible you'll switch to generator, generator will fail, and you won't be able to switch back, or in some cases, generator will kill your UPS and drop your load. The bigger the system the easier it seems to be for really weird things to happen, but the more individual sets of equipment you have, the higher the chances that at least one will fail in some crazy way. Which is one of the reasons the Google UPS-in-Server thing is so exciting.
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I thought that the CPS said he could have been prosecuted in the UK, but that they weren't interested in doing it (I might be wrong on that).
Most of this fruitless discussion seems to be between people who have just read the TPM article (or scanned to the pull-quote from the judge), and those who are more familiar with the case. Here's an ArsTechnica article that communicates the issues quite clearly: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/ny-judge-compels-...

The subpoena is for all public and private information Twitter has for a period of three months and a half. The charge is for disorderly conduct at one point during this period. The EFF and Twitter are pointing out that the prosecutor is going on a fishing expedition. The “shouting from a window” analogy the judge made is irrelevant.
They weren't US Hosted Servers fyi. Richard confirmed this before. The only reason the US is claiming is that it was a .net and the dns goes through Verisign.
What lesson? So far as I can tell, there was nothing particularly wrong with how they handled that (other than the media over-reaction).
From
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2188558/home-office-ignore-an...

The Home Office has confirmed home secretary Theresa May will
not block TVShack founder Richard O'Dwyer's US extradition,
despite widespread calls for her to do so.

The office confirmed to V3 that it was aware of Wikipedia founder
Jimmy Wales' anti-extradition petition, but would not be swayed by
it on Monday.

"Richard O'Dwyer is wanted in the US for offences related to
copyright infringement," a Home Office spokesman told V3.

etc
Don't call press conferences for results that you aren't sure about and likely wrong.
Not if you are in France, Germany, Austria, Russia, China or Japan - who apparently never extradite their nationals. Rather their laws give jurisdiction over laws committed by their nationals while abroad.

Given this kind of nonsense, I can see that they might have a point.
I think he like most people have plenty of rage to go around.
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What lesson? They found an anomaly on an experiment, before researching they found no error so they said to the science community: "We found this, can you spot the error?"

The media overreacted to this, they started writing shocking headlines. Don't blame the CERN, blame the media.
There was no reason for a press conference. As a physicist, I see it as nothing more than a publicity stunt that was not only bad science but also bad for science as a whole.
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"Write me" is an example of a shortened phrase, probably derived from "Write me a letter", versus "Write to me".

Honestly I thought "How to pitch a journalist" might mean how to endorse a journalist if it didn't happen to be a typo.

Interestingly enough, none of my friends from Georgia or Alabama use "Y'all" when writing/typing. I did a cursory search on Google, filtering to personal, and only found the slang used when joking about Southern accents.
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He's provided as much proof as Blizzard.
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Still includes it in the article body though. Phys.org sucks.

Take your pick from this Atlantic roundup of physics bloggers, some of them directly involved in the experiments, for the real scoop: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/07/best-physics-g...

EDIT: this guy at nature claims " The ATLAS and CMS experiments are each seeing signals between 4.5 and 5 sigma"

http://www.nature.com/news/physicists-find-new-particle-but-...

With the combination that could put us over the magic 6 sigma point, but that is a political issue apparently.
To be fair, sometimes it does look like a government can't win: stand your ground and you'll be abused for being insensitive, change your mind and you'll be crucified for flip-flopping/being indecisive and out of touch (see also: pasty tax, fuel duty etc).

This doesn't mean they aren't a bunch of nasty Tories (they are) or that they are right on this issue (they are not); it's just that criticizing a politician for his day-to-day behaviour rather than his/her political stance is just a way of buying in the politics-as-sport worldview pushed by media interests.
Humans play something like 1 million hours a week at lvl 60 and people running bot's want them to also have good items to farm faster so it's not clear that bot's harm the economy as they would buy and sell just like a person who plays a lot. Assuming bots gather both cash and items the only possible issue is they are a larger drain on blizzards servers, but I have a hard time believing it's that significant as the player base has already been cut in half.
I'm a customer with these guys. The problem started on the 21st of June, the only transactions on my account are small ATM withdrawals. No card payments or more importantly no salary!

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From what I understand its some old mainframe-ish style legacy infrastructure that broke down. Ulster bank downsized anyone who was working in that area a year ago and shipped it all out of the country.
I support this guy's cause, but I'm flagging the story.

Nobody is being rendered. The Home Secretary told nobody to show up.

Simply because I agree with a cause doesn't mean I have to put up with lying in my headlines. Hyperbole is one thing, misstating the facts for a better headline is another.

I have nothing against Boing Boing. Seems like a great site and I visit quite a bit. Love the style. But over on HN if you start off a story with this much deception in the headline, there's just no way the ensuing conversation can be productive.
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There are several levels of traps here.

One is a form of magical thinking -- the idea that "on the internet" should grant some sort of mystical immunity from jurisdiction. There's a fairly large body of pretty well-settled laws and treaties for deciding whether a country has jurisdiction for potentially-criminal actions that cross national borders, and for deciding whether to extradite to that country. That's exactly what's applying here.

Another is wishful thinking: wanting a system that extradites for things HN thinks should be crimes, but doesn't extradite for things that HN thinks shouldn't be crimes. The plain and simple fact is that it doesn't work that way; we can wish that the laws regarding, say, copyright were other than they are, but wishing won't make it so. Only actual changes to the laws will make it so, and extradition treaties are not the laws that would need changing.

Finally, there's the trap of assuming that this sort of thing -- a vengeful, powerful figure abusing the most convenient jurisdiction to punish someone -- is somehow new, or is unique to the US. Libel tourism is a relevant example here, since the UK is often a very friendly venue for those who seek legal revenge on critics/dissenters. It also ties in quite nicely with the second point above, because it has resulted in other countries actually changing their legal systems to bar enforcement of UK libel judgements.
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I strongly disagree. They never claimed they had a result, they had a measurement that they could not explain, which they made public. I think it was an example of how science should be done, being open instead of being afraid of being wrong in public.
Good point.

Would it be preinstalled on 20 million computers, though?

Also, it seems like they needed to work at Apple because:

- They needed access to an unreleased computer (hardware).
- They needed feedback from other Apple employers.
Can we wait until tomorrow? Let's wait to hear CERN confirmation instead of make asumptions.
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