skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
What we're seeing is a new profitable industry, with a tendency towards natural monopoly, refusing to act in the public good because its incentives conflict with it. At stake is the entire corpus of 21st century media, at risk of being drowned out in a tsunami of statistically unidentifiable spam, which has already begun and will only get worse, until nobody will even acknowledge the web post 2022 as worth reading or archiving.

The solution is very, very simple: just regulate it. Force all companies training LLMs to add some method of watermarking with a mean error rate below a set value. OpenAI's concern is that users will switch away to other vendors if they add watermarks? Well, if nobody can provide that service, OpenAI still has the lead. A portion of the market may indeed cease to exist, but in the same vein, if we had always prioritized markets over ethics, nobody would be opposed to having a blooming hitman industry.

Open weights models do exist, but they require much greater investment, which many of the abusers aren't willing to make. Large models already require enough GPU power to be barely competitive with underpaid human labor, and smaller ones seem to already fall into semi-predictable patterns that may not even need watermarking. Ready-made inference APIs can too include some light watermarking, while with general purpose notebooks/VMs, the question may still be open.

Still, it's all about effort to effect ratio. Sometimes inconvenience is enough to approximate practical impossibility for 80% of the users.
> While the randomized tests are great, it's still entirely possible for them to miss bugs. The state space for the arguments of a binary transfer function is 3*64 * 3*64, and if only a small part of that contains wrong behaviour it would be really unlikely for us to find it with random tests by chance.

Wouldn't exhaustive testing on 3*8 * 3*8 inputs (that is, on 1-byte-wide integers) be good enough? That's about 43 million combinations which is feasible to loop over even in Python.
Official or not, I've never seen the government care even a little bit about a petition, beyond paying it lip service until the news cycle moves on to the next current thing.
I can't think of a single reason to maintain a linkedin tab open.
2 days ago (2 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41144108

3 days ago (2 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41129339

4 days ago (131 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41121570
I have been a layman judge in Helsinki district court for years and I agree. End-to-end encryption rarely prevents police work because security is much more than using the right app.

Free advice to criminals, activists, and freedom fighters:

i. Delete messages frequently.

ii. The crime phone and personal phones should never be on at the same location. Please leave your phone at home or shut it down completely. Having multiple burners to commit crimes may not help when you have your regular phone near them frequently. "These 10 burners can't be identified but somehow this guy's phone always uses the same cell tower."

iii. Don't use social media with your crime pals. Cops look trough contacts.

iv. Verify that your "crime pals" also do all the same. Don't trust, verify. People are weak at following protocols. Take their phone and do it yourself.

Police investigators have very limited resources. They prioritize work according to the seriousness of the crime. They give up on investigating smaller crimes if gathering evidence requires significant work. Taking a phone to a forensics lab and getting location data from the operator is a relatively easy way to get evidence.

Almost all small time gen-z criminals incriminate themselves in social media and phone records. It's common for even hardened organized crime to have years of WhatsApp history on their phones documenting the crimes with photos, locations addresses. All they have to do is delete all history every few months, and they would get at most 1-2 years suspended sentence, but get 6-7 years instead.
It's because people don't understand that the problem is not finding a solution, but implementing it. This space is simply a mess, much more than even your normal messy IT.
Legislation is always intentionally vague so that edge cases can prove themselves in court. I think they made the right choice by adapting the demands and wording to something that appeals to legislators.
Akiyuki makes infrequent videos, but beautiful LEGO machines.

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That didn’t answer my question. What systems have you looked at?

Saying “all systems” is such a sweeping statement, it is very unlikely to be true.

Technology always improves and if you looked at any modern system, people some day in the past would be incredulous that it could possibly replace a bunch of smart humans with pen and paper.

Experts said airplanes couldn’t ever fly and the wright brothers were fools. Then they said there are many safety problems with airplanes. If you told someone it would be the safest form of travel for long distances, people would laugh. Just as you are laughing now. They would claim their logic would hold for “all” forms of air transportation.

People laughed that a chess playing program could beat a human, citing seemingly (to them) insurmountable challenges much as you do now.

You could have said exactly 1,2,3 about the Internet and many other things in the past.
Nothing comes even close to Oracle's free tier.

https://github.com/cloudcommunity/Cloud-Free-Tier-Comparison...

https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/
Thank you for your kind words! Everyone has their own preference for calendar apps, it's understandable :)
GPT-2 was never too dangerous to release, that's made up. OpenAI were trying to set a precedent to delay releases in anticipation of more dangerous models. This was and remains a good thing.
Maybe, just maybe the solution is to stop flight code sharing. Having one flight under different numbers is confusing at best and feels misleading. Just imagine giving airlines more space to spam everyone with a magnitude more numbers. Just picture announcement boards at airports…
NASDAQ will be absolutely massacred in the morning

As someone without a home, I am uncomfortable with how happy I am about this news

I’ve felt like since they perhaps prematurely mass printed cash early in the pandemic, there’s been an absurd amount of capital that’s been incorrectly allocated

Most misallocated capital from my perspective was funnelled into the rent->landlord->real-estate value pipeline (especially for supply-choked Australia and Canada)

I do also think some stocks have been grossly overvalued, for example, NVIDIA’s stock price; CUDA is objectively not worth $2 TRILLION

Perhaps in the future 2020-2025+ will be taught in economics for the ills of speculation. Money should not be too uncoupled from utility. Things like credit are important to keep capital flowing, but there needs to be much more scrutiny into assets inflating beyond what utility they can possibly provide long term

It’s almost like every market, all at once, has been caught in a bubble

Our much needed recession is here. I hope every inflated market is corrected accurately this time around

In some ways, the good times beget the bad, and the bad times beget the good
Indeed. Just reduce the number of flights already. That should give room in your 4-digit space.
One of those cases happens accidentally all the time (in more complex variants than the motivating example you responded to), the other never happens except on purpose. It's like complaining guard rails are pointless because people being launched with catapults might still fly over them and plunge to their deaths.
Why not post the original article that The Verge has basically summarised?

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/openai-tool-chatgpt-cheating-wri...
Let's say longevity was already a solved problem and people had unlimited lifespans. Would you advocate executing everyone once they reach 85 so that we can avoid the problems you refer to? If the answer is no, then the only consistent position is that longevity research shouldn't be blocked. In both scenarios, the solution is to work on those additional problems rather than deliberately kill people.
It's the sun, which the tomatoes need. Additionally my guess is most of the tomatoes in the Netherlands are grown in greenhouses which are usually coated with UV protection, and the tomatoes do well with UV light.

I have tomatoes myself and this year they haven't tasted that great, and there's been a lot of rain and little sunshine compared to prior years. In the south of Europe you can grow the tomatoes outside although I think these days the commercial ones are also grown in e.g. polytunnels because they can get the products faster to the market.
breaking news:Beta is beta
> idk, I've never had problems due to naming schemes.

Concrete example, lets say I need 74123 in my project. If things were sane, I could just type in "74123" in Digikey search field and see what my options are. But you can't because this middlefix logic family thing. And searching for just "123" is completely useless.

Let's continue and say we go with the most jellybean 74HC family. Digging bit deeper I discover that in addition to the 74HC123 I was looking for, there is also 74HC4538, which has the same parametrics and same description. Yaay.

And just visually eyeballing the part numbers is pain because all the random prefix/middlefix/suffix characters that might or might not be meaningful.

I don't think finding basic jelly-bean logic parts should be this complicated. I can deal with analyzing the parameters etc, that is actually intrinsic complexity. But this part number stuff feels like just unnecessary bullshit getting in the way for discovering alternatives.

I suppose big players will use preferred manufacturers and predefined logic families, so this won't be a problem. And 74 series is not all that relevant these days anyways. But still some standardization would have been nice.
> How do you feel about community-developed / open-source models that’ll certainly do the same thing citing “freedom” and “choice” as the justification.

Bullshit rationalisations are bullshit no matter who they come from. Being open-source doesn’t excuse you from it.

> If people are just salty about OpenAI and want to buy into the Sam Bad culture war then so be it

Your mistake is assuming to know why someone you’ve never met has an opinion about something and immediately thinking the worst of it, instead of understanding individuals can think and form opinions for themselves.

I was criticising Sam Altman for his Worldcoin crypto scam way before OpenAI was a worldwide phenomenon.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...
> Netherlands produce really edible tomatos

I love how you use "edible" as a superlative to describe food. Yes, Dutch tomatoes are very edible indeed.

But where I can get some tasty and flavourful tomatoes?
Wishing you the best Jake. Thanks for sharing your story with us. I sort of believe the little bit of what Douglas Hofstadter said in I am a strange loop, essentially, small bits of your soul live on in the rest of us who read your story and interacted with you here.
I don't see "AI sometimes gets thing absurdly wrong" getting fixed any time soon.
It's a problem with the people in education.

Sounds absurd to reduce all of the thousands of school districts; millions of educators, K-12 teachers, professors, and administrators; and multitudes of viewpoints into one "ignorant" block of hapless Luddites.
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Other airlines who were also similarly affected by the crowd strike outage did not display the same prolonged issues as Delta.

CrowdStrike was clearly responsible for some of it. It’s pretty clear that Delta had other major issues that were also triggered by the CrowdStrike outage which it wasnt responsible for since other airlines didn’t face those issues.
> the code is not written in way that is easy to test

Which isn't devoid of downsides either
Titled has been edited by OP. Original is “There’s a Tool to Catch Students Cheating With ChatGPT. OpenAI Hasn’t Released It”.

The last sentence being the whole point.
Did people say GPT from OpenAI was too dangerous to release?

Or was it the fact that OpenAI has demonstrated how good LLMs can get and that bad actors can train their own, uncensored, unaligned LLMS to do "dangerous" things?
> Perhaps in the future 2020-2025+ will be taught in economics for the ills of speculation.

Everyone says the same thing on every crisis. And even though people do study those crisis later, we don't seem to be learning very much about how to avoid them in the future.
but apple beta != openai beta
One note about the smell is that it could be just the green part where the fruit still is attached to, so it's easy to get deceived. Tomato plants have a strong smell themselves.
The FAQ mentions does "server emulators" made by fans, so "reasonably playable" could possibly mean just removing restrictions to using those. Basically removing the phone-home restrictions.

Keeping the game working but offline-only also seems to be a suggestion, the list of "real-world examples of publishers ending support for online-only games in a responsible way" include some games that are playable offline-only.

But your point stands, this should be discussed with more clarity before turning into law.

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq
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I'm sure folks here could list dozens of times they have helped, but also defeatism in general isn't a useful tool for solving problems.
But do you agree that there needs to be something that keeps reinforcing the collective trust in the voting system such that this worst case scenario is not reached? If so, do you have an idea what that something could be when using a complex e-voting system? The best I can come up is to educate the public, but that is almost wishful thinking.

rraghur says in the siblilng comment that keeping the voting systme open via OSS / reproducible builds / etc could be a source of trust, but I don't think that is sufficient for most people. We need a stronger argument, and I don't have one.
I'm not sure if this approach can really work.

What I definitely would like to see is a requirement to preserve a working VM containing source code, assets and build tools, set up to compile everything without an internet connection. It'd be much more useful to have than old binaries when all this stuff eventually becomes public domain.
Having moved 13 times in my life, I have the opinion and strategy, which I also apply to things I own, that something is of no use to me if I can't even recall it is there.

Thus according to this strategy I would just nuke my session and start from a blank sheet as I won't be missing it. For the same reason I donated and sold tons of stuff over the year before each move because I realised there is no point owning something you use only every 10 full moons or can't even remember it is hidden somewhere in a storage room. You can borrow/rent that to someone.

Besides, you should still have the links in your history.
Yen is still cheaper than at any point in the last year.
For Dungeons and Dragons, the magic is in the memories
Not sure about remains. The Llama is out of the bag with that one! OpenAI models aren't the best all-round anymore - there are plenty of faster models to choose from. Claude seems faster. Groq is stupid fast in serving Llama. gpt4 still has the smarts edge, but it isn't much of an edge any longer. OpenAI is iPhone, it is 2019 and people are realizing the Androids are better value and just as good
I do not think adding covert metadata (which this seems to be, however well-encoded) to output is a good addition to any program, regardless if it's a language model or something even more sinister. I am not so naive to believe OpenAI refuses to do it because of the goodness of their heart, but it's still a welcome benefit to me.
That's a good idea, thank you. I used to receive .ics files in email attachments all the time and the format seems easy to work with.
I'm not sure of the schedule for integrating OpenAI stuff into Apple products[0], but it may very well be an OpenAI beta.

[0] https://openai.com/index/openai-and-apple-announce-partnersh...
Llm's to be fair, not AI
I will not be giving any CEO direct access to my brain, unless all software is open source and the entire industry is heavily regulated with criminal-level punishments for deviating from the regs.

See my bio for full rant.

Btw, I was speaking with someone on the r/lexfridman post on this topic who raised similar concerns. They got their comments shadow-deleted, and then got banned from the sub entirely.
Since Germany was mentioned, I will say that there is a policy debate in Germany right now about taking away unemployment benefits [1] from anyone who refuses a job with up to 3h commuting time. So a 3h commute is not necessarily something that people choose, unless the other choice is to not have any household income.

[1] This denomination is slightly oversimplified to avoid giving a lecture on how social welfare works in Germany.
Ahhh.. wouldn't that be better by using a percentage of filler words/total words in title threshold?? I don't know if a feature simply strips out the filler words in title, it's not always useful and rather harmful is what I would argue.
I knew some people from OpenAI at the time of GPT2 development, and indeed that was their rationale - dangerous and needs to be released responsibly. Never before could people produce so much spam and fake news at once - I think this was the first and main worry.
>Notice how "Baseline" is incomplete, and so is "Extreme".

Yeah, you still haven't read the specifications.

Please read the fucking specifications if you are going to partake in discussions concerning specifications.

Extreme is "incomplete" because those specifications apply and only apply to Raptor Lake i9 SKUs. "Baseline" is incomplete and not recommended because "baseline" does not exist in the specifications.

What's more, "performance" also does not exist in the specifications per se. Most of it is actually the specifications copied verbatim, except for PL1 which is 125W for the concerned SKUs according to specification and actually noted as such by Intel in that chart.

The chart also excludes other important information, such as the PL2 time limits (56 seconds for the SKUs in the chart), the max core voltage rating of 1.72V, and AC/DC load lines and associated calibration.

Again: Please read the fucking specifications. You are contributing to the media sensationalism and emotional chest thumping, which is all worthless noise.
this isn't driven by OpenAI, it's part of Apple's core models
Its hard to remove this watermark, because the "watermark" is adjusting the probabilities of what tokens are generated, rather than just slapping "generated by chatgpt" over the top. You'd have to actually rewrite the text to remove it
> Watermarks are trivially removed by the motivated and unpleasant

I heard some chatter from OpenAI folks some 1-2 years ago that the way they'd watermark text is that rather than just using random numbers in the top-k/p sampling process, you have a pseudorandom sequence of numbers that either follows a pattern or you save them directly. This way you could fairly trivially build a tool that determines with very high accuracy whether or not a sequence of words has been generated by your model.

I think such a watermark can't be trivially removed unless you rewrite the text, or at least large portions of it.
You bought them on their DL#### codeshare flight number (what [AA or DL]-marketed means in GP's comment).

I fly a lot of "Delta" flights that are entirely KLM or Republic metal, often buying the Republic flights with Delta points earned on the KLM flights. (NB: the Republic airplanes say “Delta” on the side, while the KLM ones say KLM.)
I think massively online games are the tricky part.

I'd be happy if this stopped publishers killing games were small teams on a private server were viable.

Hell - I've had games I bought killed where there was a viable single player mode. There's no justification for that.
The exchange rate story doesn't sit well with me, wouldn't you simply hedge the fx risk?
Talking to books is something that I've been thinking for a while. I hope the partnership is a step towards this.
I like that as well, don't have it in my store.
Asia's ferocious sell-off has its roots in US AI boom
Google’s spam filter is pretty good though and has been for a long, long time. But I guess we need to sprinkle everything with a bit of extra LLM AI these days.
Perhaps all documents should be watermarked “grammar improved by Microsoft Word” or “Animation effects provided by Keynote” or have films watermarked with “Automatic Color Correction provided by DaVinci.” It Takes a Village by Hillary Clinton: “Ghostwritten by Barbara Feinman.”

If we want to watermark GPT, fine — then let’s watermark absolutely everything not directly and personally created by the claimed creator. But we’re getting into interesting legal territory here — work for hire agreements would be in jeopardy because authorship of something under work for hire is owned by then company, not the contractor. There’s also a First Amendment issue — requiring companies and individuals to watermark creative works or disclose uncredited authors amounts to compelled speech that doesn’t serve a public interest high enough to provide an exception to First Amendment protections. The unintended (or perhaps subversively intended) consequences of requiring watermarks can be astounding. Journalists could potentially be compelled to reveal sources for instance because the content they’ve created was partially provided by someone else. It’s a stretch, but then again, the gymnastics courts and prosecutors routinely employ make such scenarios plausible (albeit unlikely.)
This isn't a draft for a law though, this is a petition to create such a draft. These kinds of critique are kinda premature - even if they're done by Internet famous people like pirate software
No one has claimed that.

It was simply suggested that in some situations, maybe they're not as important as we tend to assume. And it takes experience to see those patterns.
There is some issue with your email address (probably your email server) and you can't receive emails.
Good point.

Likely because the full title is too long (by 1 character) and dropping the second clause seemed easy.
last month has been brutal - even on HN whoishiring probably the lowest posting ever.

so yeah things are about to be brutal.
"Stop Destroying Games" is a much better title. (Third link)

I thought this was about violence in video games the first time I clicked.
Not the parent, but I personally would want tech to erode education exactly to the level where students aren't asked any more to spend time on things that machines can perform trivially for us. Education should prepare us for the real world of today, rather than some make-belief role play version of a bureaucratic office from the late 19th century, where we don't have computers and the only way you have of affecting the world is by writing memos with a pencil.
Don’t worry about it. In the next beta “Automatically respond to priority messages” is checked by default, probably.
> I hope things have improved but the university system is a lot more school-like compared to the free-for-all it was twenty years ago.

I agree with this point, but all of the specific things you mention were already well in place twenty years ago (e.g. modular courses).
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