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Net bailouts performed by the Fed: trillions
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-28/secret-fed-loans-un....
They gave banks and others at least $7.7 trillion and there is zero proof that it was paid back.

It'd be nice if that article had actual proof, or at least some kind of FOIA-sourced documents to support the $7.7t number. There's nothing there, though, and you're just parroting a number that appears once without any substantiation.

I'm sure the money supply continuing to skyrocket means the Fed isn't bailing anybody out. Surely those trillions aren't going toward bailouts for the government, Wall St, big banks, or the housing market.

Holy CRAP! Look at that long-term M2 chart! It looks like money is growing at a constant logarithmic rate! That's evidence of manipulation. Or, uh, inflation.

The Fed is bailing out home owners, investors, realtors 24/7 using trillions in QE to push rates lower to prop up the housing market.

I know, look at all these QEs we've had! It's been at least zero since 2010! Free money for everyone, all on the Fed's tab!! [0]

[Natural mortgage rates] would be something closer to a historical norm, 6% to 8% would be a lot closer to normal based on the last 50 years, than 4%, for example. But if you know anything about any of this, you already know that.

Or there's just a glut of housing supply -- including foreclosures -- and banks are offering low rates to clear that supply. Also, if "you know anything about any of this" you'd know better than to use past information to analyze this kind of extraordinary economic climate.

Seriously: half of your stuff is unsubstantiated, and the few factually-correct points (money supply, low housing rates) are symptoms of normal economic behavior. Please stop pushing HN's economic discourse further into the earth.

[0] Also, if you "knew anything about any of this" you'd know QE3 has been whispered about since 2010. Two years later...zero additional QE.
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only 20x? What happens when you reevaluate it with the python code not having any pieces that are C under the covers? (my understanding that a lot of python idioms for fast code basically turn into ah "use the approach that pushes as much work into C as possible")
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As a former e-commerce web dev, I cant begin to tell you how much this was sorely needed in Australia. Best of luck to you!
Same feelings. I treasure my last.fm stats so much. It has documented 7 years of my life in a way that no other site or social network could express.
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i can't seem to find anywhere other than the title which mentions that autotune was used. not saying it wasn't but...
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SO MUCH KUDOS!!!!
but actually, how do you have so much kudos?
Near the end of the screencast they show "send to mobile".

It then appears they show you the Apple App Store.

This could lead to easier app discovery.
I thought it was well known that Amazon is very expensive compared to ANY dedicated hosting provider.

But that's not the point of AWS. The point is that you get a PLATFORM as a service. Not just a box. You get an enterprise class queuing, workflow, load balancing, DNS etc all in the one place. Not to mention it's unrivalled auto scaling features.
A good point. Also, 49 programmers is very little. But even with thousands of developers using all sorts of languages, it's still moot to draw any conclusion from. It's very subjective and dependant on people's experience/taste/State-of-mind..

For me, switching from static (java) to dynamic typing (common lisp) has saved me a lot of development time. Or did it? Maybe it was Emacs? Maybe it was functional programming? Maybe it was the REPL? Maybe experience?
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It was a good post, but I'm not sure you deserve it.
~220,000 kudos atm, is there something wrong with his site?
Well I think the article hints at the real benefits from type systems. They took longer in the beginning understanding the type system, but made up for it later on by being able to finish in the same amount of time. Static systems be balling for refactoring.

Hopefully for the next experiment they have them tackle a longer project, and have the programmers tackle short problems in multiple languages to 'rank' them.
Or maybe it was an excellent post?
Nope. Not open source, and is currently being developed for the US gov't... either way, as a foreign national that likes to travel home to The Netherlands it is something I am worried about (not exporting crypto, but being held at the border due to my current work).
I don't pay for SMS here in Australia either, I'm on a call cap simple. Having said that, the article lost me at the line "god invented TCP/IP"
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This article also inspired me to lockdown my own API I designed, its really good advice. The question is only, they wanted to provide a very simple interface, what is the right trade-off security vs. developer UI?
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You can't name a single thing the Gates Foundation has done because you're uninformed and, unfortunately, don't seem to see anything wrong with that.
beautiful (and meaningful) sentiments expressed. That is all.
What about maintenance? I've never heard a static-typing proponent claim they can develop faster. It's always that they can maintain the software with much less work and have less overhead at run time.
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I tend to find the strongest proponents of static typing are the least familiar with dynamic languages
The video was done by Symphony of Science.

http://www.symphonyofscience.com/index.html

From the about page: "Inspiration from The Gregory Brothers and DJ Steve Porter, coupled with my experience with remixing, composition, and auto-tune, led to experiments with remixing scientists, culminating in Carl Sagan's "A Glorious Dawn" in Fall of 2009."
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Studying individuals is the wrong experiment. Static typing benefits tooling most when you have larger groups of programmers who much collaborate, often asynchronously. It's easy to hold a mental model of the code you write in your head and minimize mistakes, it's harder to hold a mental model of a larger program consisting of code written by many programmers.

I'd like to see them hand a pre-written codebase of say, 10,000 lines to a bunch of students, and ask them to make large changes/new features to the codebase.
My big problem with this study is that the project sizes and teams are too small. Static typing really starts to get it's power as the team and project get bigger. This is especially true as the skill levels from larger teams start to spread from amazing all the way down to terrible. In smaller teams you can often work with higher quality developers, but with larger corporate systems, you don't have that luxury. You have to deal with all kinds of experience levels, etc. You need to be able to modulize the project, etc.

From my personal experience, dynamic typing usually works well with 1-2 developers and continues to be useful until about 4-5 developers (static typing too for that matter). After that, static typing usually wins pretty consistently.

My personal preference is static typing. I find it makes the code more readable and catches a lot of oopses early, at compile time. Otherwise you just end up writing a ton of test cases and hope to catch the same issues at runtime. So you have less protection (you have to catch it with a test), and you just end up spending more time writing tests anyways.

I do understand the benefits of both, I just prefer static typing because of the way I work. Both work and have their places. Like everything else, you need to use the right tool for the right job AND the right people.
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I work daily in dynamic languages. It cuts both ways.

I don't think it's a big deal.
1. They didn't ask me.

2. They ought to check on maintenance effort and time with different type systems as well.
I think we'd need to distinguish "scientifically irrelevant" from "humanly irrelevant".

Scientifically, discovering that a god created the universe and let it be (the disinterested watchmaker) has no bearing on any future experiments.

Psychologically/sociologically, discovering that some god exists would change humanity forever. Even if the god couldn't be interacted with, the level of religious fervor would rise to unimaginable heights.

Discovering we are simulations living in a matrix [every neutrino has a serial number on it!] might drive people to drastically different behavior (suicide, risk taking, etc.) even there may not be a measurable difference in the simulated and virtual reality.

Basically,

human society with irrelevant knowledge of universe != human society sans knowledge
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With depression medication being so popular, is this partially the result of years of "Find what you love, and do it"? Does it contribute to people with any ability for introspection becoming miserable when they know and are being reminded that they're not doing what they love? I include the introspection bit since it's very easy these days to get sucked into one mindless time sink after another and never have any alone time with one's own thoughts. ("Consumerism" is probably the general form.)

If loving something specific, like Carmack does with video games and Feynman did with Physics, requires some amount of eccentricity, then by definition most people don't really love something they want to do it all the time. In that case, the advice is at best a NOP to people who are content with their life despite not loving something. For other cases, I could see it being damaging to people who will conflate "love" with "like" and ask where they can get paid to collect other people's tumblr posts on their own tumblr "blog", or damage people who will just be reminded that they aren't doing what they love but can't accept they'll never find something they love. I don't think it's all that dangerous for the rare "late bloomers" or people who already know what they love and happen to love something non-profitable--those people are going to do it regardless, they don't need to be told, they more often need to be told not to for their own health. Some will find themselves content even without much money, others will tolerate working years in the profitable salt mines being in a state of varying misery, and trading that for years afterwards doing what they please.
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I agree.

But I put a few things as they are because sometimes they are necessary to be put it that way.

Look at this way. These articles try to paint a picture that its OK to sacrifice your financial well being if you are faced with an option that offers perceived happiness. In reality this is rarely true.

Work is just one requirement of life. Of the many requirements which start from brushing your teeth in the morning to mosquito repellant in the night. You need money for nearly everything these days. And anybody who gives you an advice that doesn't account for this thing isn't just getting the point.

A millennium back all you would need is horse and ability to climb a tree. And you could do anything in the world, by just riding the horse and eating fruits plucked from the tree. These days you need money for everything.

If you feel you can be 'happy' by just doing work. Then sure you will be happy doing work. But you won't be happy doing everything else without money. And that everything else makes up a very big part of your life.

Sooner or later everybody realizes this.
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I can't really see the problem which it try to solve, but I guess some people need it.
49 undergraduate students working independently on a small project over the course of a single week using a previously unseen language with no consideration of the performance or maintainability of the resulting code. I can't see how there are any meaningful conclusions to be drawn from this study other than "inexperienced programmers find learning new dynamically typed languages easier".
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Given a very specific need of working with a bayesian network based on a social graph, i can see how your point was almost-valid. However, there's no mention of this sort of thing in your top post. The original link is about breaking up web apps into services, a'la amazon. I think it is you who does not understand the topic at hand, but that's a fairly trite way of argumentation, so let's just say that you didn't mention your very specific needs which were needed to appreciate just why not using an SQL db for auth is simpler. The fact is that it's probably not, it's just that it fits your solution better, so the total expense is lower. Having auth or admin backed by an rdb is not more expensive, auth supporting your idea or admin supporting your idea which are two executions of the concept that are very unusual compared to what is normally done with Django. Again, you're complaining your hammer can't be used to screw in things. Get the right tool, or if it doesn't exist make it. Django is not the right tool. So the whole thing is a composition of "why didn't you say so" and barking up the wrong tree.

Of course, the lack of actual motivation in your top post can be explained through being inarticulate as in the paragraph above; it can also be explained by you trying to mesh together a few easy and hip claims. The later motivation could well be something you worked hard to muster up only after initial critique, and given that its connection to the top post hinged on a shaky premise I think that's what has happened here.

Regarding your "paltry 3.79 karma average", the leaderboard is sorted by karma amount, not karma average. There are people on that list who have about 10x as much karma average as you do. And even the guy with the least karma on that list still has over 4x as much karma as you do. Well done computing the median of a biased subset of people. Biased because it selects people with the largest amount of points which easily comes at the expense of post quality. Please read about the bias of controlled, not-randomized studies before you go throwing around statistics you can't interpret. I suggest looking at the tree graph found on page 7 of "Statistics" by Freedman, Pisani, Purves, since you like graphs so much. Coming up with meaningless numbers will only shut up someone troubled by innumeracy, and I am not affected.
I love food, music, art, sex, sports, and adventure. I'm weird as hell, but I love to program. I just assume that "do what you love" is a short way of saying "find out something you love that other people need, and spin that into a career." I admit that since I've wanted to be a programmer for a long, long time I don't know what it's like to not know what I want to do, but I can't assume this is the only career that you can actually like.
And the 11th time? I think I've had significantly > 10 sites I use have major password leaks. And I just turned 26 - my 10 fingers (ok, 20 with toes) would need to last a lifetime for this to be a viable solution.
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I don't write for Node nor SQL Server, but that connection string looks gnarly. Is there a reason for not using a plain object that could then be merged with a set of internal defaults, then serialized from there? Ruby uses this pattern often, it's very clean and idiomatic.
I think in a lot of cases programmers are happiest with their new hotness simply because they became better and more experienced programmers in the process of learning the new hotness, not because the new hotness is 'good' necessarily.

Cf. node.js
It could also be the case that it is faster to write text parsers in dynamic languages as opposed to static ones. There are so many different variables to come to a meaningful conclusion. What about working on very large programs with other people?
I don't think you can show much of anything in 27 hours of development time. Neither the advantages nor the drawbacks of static typing will have any impact on productivity for such a small one off, single developer, throw away project.

It seems the only question this experiment could possibly claim to answer is whether or not the additional finger typing required by static languages affects the coding speed of these particular 49 undergrads.
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Thanks. Just to be clear, toxicology is pending. My gut says this is mental illness, not drugs, based on the perp's record.

Also, I don't own a TV, don't watch TV, and get my news from friends and NPR. So I don't generally see much of this news-of-the-wierd. Thankfully, it appears.
Not to mention being able to rule out large classes of errors at compile time, and ease of refactoring large code bases. You mean I get all that for free? Where do I sign up?
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There are plenty of people outside the US, religious or not, who have no problems with science. Religion only seems to be anti-science in the USA and amongst a tiny minority in the Islamic world.

I wonder if religion is really the issue. Is there some political imperative that is served by keeping the voting population ignorant about science? Perhaps business, politics and media have worked to create a society turned away from science and then those people turn to religion to fill the gaps.
>>Union Carbide clearly screwed up in a huge way over Bhopal, but they settled with the Indian government, and tied up all liability before they were acquired. If you disagree with me, take it somewhere besides HN.

I am from India. Union Carbide, now Dow didn't settle or tied up liability as you mentioned. They lobbied hard both domestically and internationally to run from here by paying least they could. Without the least regard to the victims.

>>Disclosure: I grew up in Midland, MI, headquarters of Dow, and much of my family worked there.

I don't know if you are biased here.

But if you kill people in thousands and injure a generation of millions of people. Then you need to account for something and have some responsiblity.

What Dow did isn't not compensating a factory plant worker who lost his hand. But systematically, with plans and full intentions refused/and refusing to accept responsibilities for their actions that killed several thousands and destroyed lives of millions of people in India.

If this is not wrong, I don't what is.

And I don't know how people involved with this see themselves in the mirror, sleep in the night or live with this on their conscious.

This was almost like a genocide, and victims denied reparations.
The conclusion contains a paragraph that matches my initial reaction to the headline and opening. "It seems that the experiment at least does not contradict with a common believe that is often articulated in the area of type systems: that dynamically typed systems have a benefit in small projects while this benefit is reduced (or even negated) in larger projects." (It goes on, but I can't seem to copy actual text out of it, I typed that).

My feeling about this has always been that dynamically typed languages will save time on initial implementation and small projects, and statically typed languages will win on large projects and things that require more maintenance. They acknowledge this, and didn't find anything to contradict it.

Their own graphs seem to show that effect too. In some areas, dynamically and statically typed languages were equal, while in others dynamically typed languages had lower times. I don't actually see where the conclusion that a "static type system had no effect on development time" came from, it appears that it had an overall (if not very large) negative effect. Just like I would expect for a small (27 hours) project.

I didn't crunch the numbers though, maybe I'm just eyeballing it wrong. (again, I can't seem to copy-paste out of it, and I don't feel like reentering all of them)
I work for a fortune 20 company and my last employer was a fortune 10 company. My experience is the opposite of yours.

I've never seen these consistent wins you talk about, despite my years at some of the largest corporations.
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I think your complaint goes away if you complete the sentence: Do what you love to create

Most people live read-only lives. They never create music, food, or art. They merely consume them.

But if you love creating music, food, or art you absolutely can make a career out of it. Of course, a middling chef or musician won't make it very far, but neither will a middling programmer really (though they may at least stay employed).
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Maintenance... Dynamic would be faster for me to write in from 'scratch' (I find it weird it has NO effect on dev time, but then again the study isn't really broad), however after your sprint(s) changing things is really much easier with static typing. That's what I feel at least, especially with Haskell (and Hoogle) (which unfortunately I don't get to use that often).
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