skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
What stands out as odd to me is that CF seems to be pushing away a $10k/month customer. No business can reasonably be expected to accept sudden price changes like that, even if they'd paid, they would've moved away within a year.

Given that the article is an online casino that seems to be using potentially ToS violating domain rotation, and that they pay so little per month for apparently millions of users, I for one will not form an opinion on CF based on this article before CF has a chance to defend itself.
Good point, that's probably it
I was thinking the same. if there's anything that is what it is like to be an LLM (and I'm not saying that there is - in fact, I doubt it, while supposing that it is a possibility for future machines) I suspect it would be like this, but more so, and inverted: while Keller had some experience of an external world but no experience of language, the entire universe for an LLM is language, without any obvious way to suppose that this language is about an external world.
I actually like Cloudflare very much from a technical perspective, so I wouldn't want to hurt them.

In fact, the company vision and values (as the team grew) may have changed over the time, but originally it seems it was somewhat of a different spirit (and closer to a data collection network).
What happened to net neutrality? Why bring in sales if the issue is a legal one.
Here’s the problem they said the same thing about the covid vaccine when anyone remotely familiar with the data knows that saying something like that is so laughable cause the risk is so vanishingly small for healthy people.

Raw milk doesn’t wipe out your enemies it would be at most a handful of the thousands or more people dying over the course of a decade that drink it happily.
As an implementation detail, exceptions are usually much more expensive than just popping the stack, as computation is needed for each frame you traverse.

Having both throw and return is like regex: now you have two problems.
Genuine question: Why did you use `grok` in that context?
Presumably only if the average consumer cares about this enough.
If I ever create a language, I'm calling it clang for maximum naming conflict. Am I talking about the c language? The compiler? or this newfangled language written by a completely unqualified web dev? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I made a Shortcut for it and added it to the home screen. I found the triple click too fiddly, and the control center option to be not present enough.
CloudFlare does not provide unmetered anything, at best they provide services on a discretionary basis while trying as hard as possible to make it appear this is not the case. It's better to think of their product line as a CRM system with some CDN features on the side
"You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain"

"A Villain is Just A Broken Hero"

"Scratch a cynic and you'll find a disappointed idealist"
> (the US is also not as some natural limit by any stretch of the imagination - it's got absolutely colossal societal issues)

Yes, but empirically the US sits close to the global technological frontier.

> The big Chinese cities are also pooling talent from the vast provinces. While in a city state you're mostly stuck with the talent that's born there

Why would that be? People can move to Singapore, just as much as they can move to any other city. The only thing keeping them out are immigration rules that Singapore herself sets. In fact, Singapore has lots and lots of immigrants. I am one of them.

> For instance on paper the US is very wealthy, but I think this is mostly due to the strength of the currency. An "average" electrical engineer in Taiwan can expect to earn 30K USD a year. That's how much someone without a highschool diploma can make in the USA working in fastfood.

Well, and the currency is strong because there's a lot of demand for it.

> (you have a limited version of that with the Malay and Malaysian Chinese underclass in Singapore).

Not really. If you want to point at an underclass here, looking at our foreign domestic workers (ie maids) and the migrant construction labourers would be much more apt. These days, if you have a Singaporean passport, you only really have yourself to blame.

(People with a Malaysian passport also still have it somewhere easier getting a visa to work in Singapore.)

> Would be curious to hear your thoughts.

I think Singaporeans like to complain, and they don't appreciate their own achievements. Did you know that Sound Blaster / Creative Labs is from Singapore?

The Chinese mainland is an enormous market. Market size is a big factor that helps with growth. That's (part of) how the UK industrialised in the first place, and it's also part of why the US got as rich as they are. (Nowadays the UK isn't exactly a big country, but at the time they represented one of the bigger unified markets. Eg across the channel France, even though it was politically united, was plagued by internal tariffs.)
Project Honeypot: Introducing Cloudflare (2009)
I will always be nostalgic about Steve Gibson and Leo Laport on Screen Savers airing on G4.

I loved the GRC website as a kid, but was not surprised many years ago when I learned that Gibson sometimes spoke from a place of authority where he was a bit out of his depth. The way he has spoken about Vitamin D cones to mind.
You left out that Altman also just launched a real-world version of the AI featured in the film, including replicating the lead actor's voice without her consent.

I'm not sure that qualifies as obsessed, but there's no doubt that he is aiming to specifically imitate the vision of the film, and ignoring (as the article points out) the irony of trying to replicate an AI that, in the end, abandons humanity.
The way Cloudflare approaches situations like this is not ideal for anyone.

You start using the service and don't pay a lot, so you make plans around a certain level of expenses. Then out of the blue you receive an "urgent" email from a sales representative and suddenly you have to go from $20 or $250 to $thousands right away.

Obviously it's not in CF's interest to keep a customer that doesn't pay enough, but dropping a "bomb" on the customer and make them feel like they're about to be kicked out from the service makes the customer lose trust on CF.

CF can probably match Fastly's price. If they had acted differently in this and other similar situations, they could keep the customer, be paid more, trust wouldn't be affected, and there would be no bad PR here.

Since the CF management that posts on HN usually say this is not supposed to happen, perhaps someone needs to sit down and look at the incentives sales reps have? Even if you don't care about the customers, this is affecting the CF brand a lot.
This is literal theory crafting lol. CloudFlare never said or implied that in their emails, yet you seem to know more than the CF reps themselves?
I think once Java has finished up exception switch-case it will be a model followed by other languages. Being able to catch exceptions at both, method and transaction boundaries will be a boon for readable control-flow.
This has always been my concern about establishing a presence online. I've considered blogging about my experiences at work or the cool stuff that I've built and it feels impossible for me to know when I've crossed a legal boundary. How do I know for sure if I'm sharing proprietary stuff or confidential stuff. The lines of legality seem to get blurry real quick.
When I was looking for evidence about the efficacy of ice to speed recovery, I found it very challenging. I would be grateful if you could share some of the abundance.
Ahh so you believe in wage slavery.
> undocumented limit

this makes it sound like the limit is automatic or applies non-discriminately to customers, but my first instinct is that this was manually set by someone, maybe the sales reps again?
I will remind HNers: is Cloudflare not the company that leaked sensitive data through cache files that were indexed by at least Google, and when the tech community were up in arms about the massive leakage of sensitive data, the CEO’s strategy was to turn up here and criticise Google for not deindexing quickly enough?

You get what you pay for.
Well, the browser runs in a cloud service and streams video back. So it just comes down to when you run out of screenspace or the quality degrades too much: https://imgur.com/a/ypqHcO9
That was the part that bugged me. This workflow is very busted from a user standpoint, though I'm sure it works very nicely to Cloudflare!

It smells like the "problem" was detected by automation, but instead of being able to reach anyone technical to work through it, you can only call sales teams.

In my opinion it's one racket vs another.
I wouldn't trust a company after they pulled this stunt just once. Why are you letting them do this to you(r company)?
If there's a prior in the community, my impression (as a neutrino physicist) is that if anything it's more toward Majorana than not, in the absence of evidence either way. It is surely nicer from a theory perspective, with a (seesaw) mechanism to help explain the very light neutrino masses, and lepton number violation that helps in the case for leptogenesis as an explanation for the universe's matter-antimatter asymmetry, etc. One way I think about it is that it's pretty interesting either way: Majorana demands physics beyond the Standard Model, while Dirac would seem to suggest that lepton number is more than an accidental symmetry of the Standard Model, implying some unknown quantum number. Meanwhile, many experimental searches for neutrinoless double beta decay go on, with many new/clever ideas to carve through the quite large allowed parameter space.
Maybe the people who run for office are so bad because only someone who can accept constant abuse from the public can stand it. Maybe this attitude is the problem.
It is wild, has been since Feb 2022, it's also "the new normal" we really want to get out of. (Not desperately enough to give in tho). Also keep in mind that this is only one of the stressors associated with war. Others include hearing about civilian casualties every week, reading and hearing horror stories from people who escaped occupation or were liberated (e.g. Bucha, Kherson...), learning about friends and acquaintances falling in battle, military draft, uncertain, but likely dire future prospects and the list goes on.
So yeah, days go like years. Don't repeat our mistakes and write to your representatives.
This shouldn't matter, in general Cloudflare responds to complaints about allowing illegal content with "we're a neutral utility, we forwarded your complaint to the site's webhost". To me, the article showed that Cloudflare was being extremely aggressive with selling the customer on an enterprise plan and repeatedly invented excuses to get them on the phone with their sales team. They then took the site offline and locked them out of their account when the customer started talking with other CDNs.
I thought about using CF in some of my deployments.

After hearing about these sorts of "discussions" from other colleagues, I certainly talked about using their services.

And then I realized that I had to hand them over my DNS? Uhh, no. It could have been "set nameserver to ours in your DNS console".

And also there was the recent SSL spoofing they're doing even with DNS with no hosted websites. And they charge money to send a revocation.

The whole thing is a hot yipes!
Like most things in the legal system, it depends on intent. It's pretty obvious that twitter's rebrand to x.com was an actual rebrand and not some way of evading domain bans.
Didn’t they also deplatform stormfront and a few others they didn’t like?
GPT4: The 40 IQ Polymath
You're on a site named hacker news; why would you expect any other word there?
Maybe... Same ratio: I might be ok to do shady stuff for 100k a month, but not 2.5k a month
From personal experience I know that 10TB per month is like 30k/year

What the hell? That's way more than AWS costs, 90% of which would be egress fees. And cloudflare has done a lot of marketing to rightfully call out those egress fees as far too high.
We are making it impossible for anyone but sociopaths to run for office by believing that abusing them is the key to getting them to behave well. This attitude is as responsible for our state of affairs as everything else.
Using any PRNG where you should be using a CSRNG will result in very bad things happening. A bit unfair to pick on the Mersenne Twister.
This also applies to Apple's focus modes which he was mentioning.
One of my favorite episodes of Acquired. Truly inspiring.
Honestly, my first thought was that this might be the kick of the pants the general Linux community needs to close ranks and actually solve some of the longstanding usability issues it faces (amongst the general populace).
May I ask who you ended up going with? We had a similar experience recently and have some concerns with anything on CF.
Missed probably the biggest factor: Large battery was much more expensive than ICE drivetrain. This might ger the other way around in only few years.
They're just trying to "pump their bags", as they say.
At least from discussions I've had over the years with my accountants, comply and evade are very different. Evasion is when you are doing something that's explicitly illegal. Optimization and compliance is when you comply with the law while trying as much as possible to reduce your tax. In some cases, there's a bit of a grey area where you use multiple structures that according to your accountant should comply with the law but in a way that has never actually been tested legally. That last part tends to be named "optimization" rather than "compliance"
AI is bad news for math skilled people, is going towards strong verbal skills
Their business model is described in their S1 filing: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1477333/000119312519...

* Cloudflare operates at a scale where its caching saves a lot of bandwidth, which saves ISPs money, which makes Cloudflare an attractive partner for peering and co-location.

* CDN is a platform on top of which Cloudflare can offer a lot of additional services that used to be expensive dedicated middleboxes.
IPFS and Freenet employ fundamentally different approaches, so comparing them isn't quite valid. With Freenet, there is no need to build separate sub-communities or worry about plugins, patches, etc.

Freenet is designed to facilitate the creation of various decentralized tools that are fully interoperable. Among these tools, some can provide anonymity, allowing application builders to choose the appropriate tools for their specific needs.

This approach is better than imposing a one-size-fits-all solution as the previous Freenet did.

> Do you at least plan to provide some level of baseline consideration for privacy/anonymity in the main project, like making sure core protocols/libraries don't expose fingerprinting surfaces or leak information?

Freenet incorporates several novel approaches to enhance data privacy. For example, delegates[1] allow users to manage private information without leaking it to other software components, unlike how browser local storage can. There are other precautions like Freenet's protocol being encrypted from the first byte making it more difficult to fingerprint.

Mitigating things like correlation attacks is more complicated since they normally require introducing delays and low-latency is an important design goal - so that will be handled by specific anonymity systems.

[1] https://docs.freenet.org/components/delegates.html
Transfer-Encoding: chunked is for something completely different. It is for streaming a single body that you do not know the length of. It does not define a subscription format. It does not specify versioning. It does not define a patch format.

Some people have suggested using chunked boundaries as a way to encode multiple responses to a subscription. Perhaps this is what you are thinking of. However, chunk boundaries cannot be relied upon to remain intact; they can be changed by intermediaries. The chunks are only an encoding of the transfer. They are not supposed to contain any semantic information.

Chunked transfer is also disallowed in http/2.
This is legally equivalent to "we have domain aliases". Lots of sites have those. Do you think that's really the problem here?
I've worked in both finance and tech in Singapore, and you can make good money in either field. If you look at stats, they also reflect that Singapore's economy is a lot more diversified than Hong Kong's.
It requires full sun to hit steal melting temperatures which is unreliable in many industrial areas. So you need a backup.

You can also easily move electrical power long distances but parabolic mirrors are hard to integrate into existing industrial processes and locations. PV electricity is competitive with fossil fuels even if you ultimately just want heat.

Solar thermal is far more viable for low grade heat. Especially as energy storage is fairly trivial.
Is your username the way to ask for beer after-hours in Chinatown?
How about clang:a markup language to describe things which could be made by blacksmiths.
Didn’t know about this, quite cool.
Version control I think is worth the effort much more than unit testing in games. If you lose your code it's catastrophic. I also used to not use version control in games, just saved extra folders. It took working in webdev for a while for it to click that I should use it for my games, also (and I didn't even start using Github issues for my personal projects until about a year ago, and I've been kicking myself for not doing that earlier, I just kept track in my head what I wanted to work on next for the game and maybe a simple list of planned major features in a text file somewhere).

If you don't unit test something in a game, pretty much the worst you can do in a game is give players a good time for a little while with an infinite money glitch or maybe temporarily block quest progress and annoy them for a bit.

Although large studios get away with the latter all the time, I played Cyberpunk 2077 a year after it was released and it still had a bug that nearly killed my ability to finish a required story mission. A suitcase that was supposed to be on the room table (we referred to it being there in the scene) teleported into the hotel room's entrance and completely blocked my ability to walk through the doorway to continue the mission.

It even stayed there when I quit and reloaded, and I verified that other quite a few other players online were complaining about it at least six months prior so it was a known bug for that long. I eventually accidentally found a work around by waiting for another character in the scene to leave the hotel room and got in front of him and his collision detection apparently trumped the suitcase's collision detection and he was able to push me past the obstacle.
And they could have additional rails that branch off the road every few miles and run directly to a set of various businesses. The system would just need a way to allow individual trucks to leave and return as deliveries are made.
Peter Thiel says AI will be 'worse' for math nerds than for writers
https://archive.is/bfPUk
> traditional economics predicts that raising a price results in fewer units—and fewer units, even at a higher price, means less revenue

This is false and a very basic mistake. Sometimes higher prices lead to more revenue, even with fewer units sold.
You can also put a horse in front of your car. It works, but is a bit inefficient. You can feed your horse with grass which you can grow with solar power.
Nice place you got here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it.

Except the "place" isn't Mom and Pop's bodega, it's a casino dodging countries blocking its main domain.
this is exactly what is happening. Cloudflare uses an anycast network, so IPs are shared by default.

this customer is damaging Cloudflare IP reputation which hurts other customers. Cloudflare can either fire the customer to protect other customers using Cloudflare IPs, or force this customer to use their own IPs and damage/manage their own IP reputation.

unfortunately this is expensive and OP is mad they can't do their legally fraught gambling operation on Cloudflare's addresses for free
Unfortunately it's difficult and expensive to scale those traditional solutions to the modern world of billions of internet users located all over the world. It's still quite slow to access a server on the other side of the globe. It's less noticeable for an american user accessing an american company's resources.
Yeah so I think it might’ve been a real system limit of sorts. Something timing out somewhere, some pipe getting clogged in a way that their edge nodes couldn’t scale their way out of the way they usually do. Eg because the scaling/monitoring code didn't detect that particular pipe getting clogged etc. We had weird long-running http requests at the time.

Note, this is pure conjecture, I’m just well aware from my own engineering experience that stuff can break under varied load in all kinds of unexpected ways. A large part of the work of an infrastructure business is going “woa shit I hadnt expected that we could fail in that way too” and then building infrastructure to be able to handle that case. You simply can’t predict everything your customers are going to throw at you. I think this was what happened + not sufficiently knowledgeable/experienced support. But I admit that I’m really just guessing.

The alternative would be that CF purposefully dropped 10% of our traffic to convince us to upgrade to enterprise, and despite our bad experience, I don’t believe they’re that kind of business. And if they were they handled it very badly because it took them 3 weeks of feet-dragging to even bring up the upsell.
There are a lot of cool and funny videos on YT about and around the HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) folks.

Instructional are the vids of Blood and Iron.
The amount shouldn't matter, it's the unprofessional response from CF that's of concern. Also, the author doesn't necessarily say that they would be unwilling to pay more or even negotiate a higher price. The author has made it explicit that CF were more or less unwilling for any practical conversation. That, to me, is the problem. A lack of professional courtesy, communication, and transparency. Obviously there may be details from this exchange which have been omitted but if I were in this position, I would be equally upset.
Presumably it gives them a lot more flexibility in deciding who has to pay more.

With published thresholds they’re less able to upsell someone just shy of the limit without publicly changing the tiers. Doing that has the potential to upset existing customers who are over the new limit all at once, while also providing intel to competitors looking to undercut them.
The author claims a reasonable intent and they give a traffic number that proves they're not doing "domain rotation".
Can a sales rep de-platform you?

I hope that’s not the case, because that would allow for bad behavior by reps trying to manufacture end-of-quarter sales.

EDIT: why the down votes?
They don't want you to know where you are. It's like Kafka but the liberterian edition.
> The voice doesn’t sound like her

And yet so many people think it does. What a weird coincidence.

> there’s a fair amount of proof to back up the claim that it wasn’t meant to

Sam has said his favorite movie is "Her". Sam tweeted "her" the day it was released. Sam wrote to ScarJo to try to get her to do the voice. OpenAI wrote to her two days before the release to try to get her to change her mind. A large percentage of the people who hear the voice thinks it sounds like ScarJo.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree about what the evidence says. You take care now.
Easy to build in a few weekends, grab a few geodistributed racks with Mellanox NICs and do HW offload. Obj storage is a similar NVME DMA approach.
Are you also weirdly angry that Musk used the term for their “he has one so I also must have one” LLM? *Stole* the term? That’s a special word, and out of the mouth of anyone but Valentine Michael is obscenity.