skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
How Musk approaches marketing is directly relevant here in terms of Tesla and SpaceX.

He also materially over promised Starlink’s bandwidth for zero gain and meaningful legal risk. It’s a consistent pattern and worth remembering for both customers and investors. In 2020: “The speeds are still not as fast as what SpaceX originally claimed for the constellation, but they are slightly faster than what early user testing has shown.” https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/3/21419841/spacex-starlink-i... and in 2024 it’s still not there even if it’s a useful product anyway.
It will work just fine.
There's a timeframe. It's the first 5 words of the tweet.
I think we're far closer to AGI than most might realize. It possible that these systems may self-improve, and companies like OpenAI may already be doing this very thing. If that's the case, the time to AGI will decrease at an exponential, compounding rate.
It's impractical to delete files from long term storage. Think about a file saved to long term data storage tape. How do you delete that? It would take aeons.
Sky voice is still there.
You obviously forgot to calculate how far your accelerators would have to be spaced out if you're accelerating that slow.

At 2g and 60 days, your system would have to span 263,632,527,360 km.

That's more than 10 times further than Voyager 1, which is tiny space probe that has been traveling for 47 years.

And that also assumes that your light to speed conversion is 100% efficient and that you can hit the 1-gram target perfectly over 263 billion km.

Sorry, it doesn't work no matter how you slice it.
Yup! People (even seemingly intelligent folks here) want to hate on the guy. Yeah, he can be a jerk sometimes.. but if you are denying the tremendous positive impact he is making with Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, Twitter, Boring, etc.. please take a moment to consider that you may be suffering from Elon Derangement Syndrome
You’re in for a rude awakening then with most file systems then. Delete just means “unlink the pointer to it in the file system” for the vast majority of file systems. It might get deleted when it gets overwritten… sometime in the future maybe. I assume this is exactly what happened here.
It's not "really bad" because they didn't store deleted photos, in general. A bug caused some not to be deleted properly.
Also, you could die before you get around to enjoying the item. I find that people who have close friends/family who died tend to lean less in the direction of delayed gratification.
If it is fulfilling then definitely yes. But we need to make sure that it is really fulfilling and you don't have financial trouble after switching jobs.
There was one report and it's been deleted
That's true. As I suggested, this case may well be open and shut. But what if it was Google's or Meta's voice that sounded exactly like Sky, i.e. without a history of failed negotiations? The amount of "likeness" would technically be identical.

Are companies better off not even trying to negotiate to begin with?
Voice cloning could be as simple as a few seconds of audio in the context window since GPT-4o is a speech to speech transformer. They wouldn't need to claim anything, just switch samples. They haven't launched the new voice mode yet, just demos.
What is endearing and admirable as the underdog very easily becomes contemptible abuse in the biggest dog of the pack. It's not a contradiction - the hacking spirit is a trait that causes more damage the more power you have.
Someone here collected statements from SpaceX employees and others like John Carmack and Jim Keller testifying to Musk's deep technical knowledge, involvement and position as chief engineer: https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...

You do realise that people can be capricious, immature, meddling, petulant, etc. while still being skilled engineers? This history of science and engineering is rife with people who were brilliant in some ways and childish and dishonest in others.
Salt Lake City. Thank me later.
Tim Cook is such a fraud! But Steve Jobs is like Jesus ;)
Presumably the software could have terms of use that put any onus of use on the individual, assuming their marketing didn't promote being able to do this with random celebrities' voices.
If you find a guy that looks identical to him, however ...
As I've gotten older I've realized the stunning difference between people's public personas and the experience of actually knowing them. They are, at best, loosely correlated.

As a rule most people, especially successful ones, are generally pleasant to interact with. They wouldn't be successful if they weren't.

There are some notable exceptions of course but as a rule: don't believe what you read about people and assume they're probably pretty pleasant to be around or work with.
It was in the demo, but not in the current tts implementation, where it is very neutral.
Used bazel for years, now using pants[0] and really enjoying it as a tool that is good in the same ways, but better in some smaller ways.

0: https://www.pantsbuild.org/
One phone call to whom? Hamas? The conflict is 2 sided. It may pause. But not end. This is very different from Russia invade Ukraine, there is no dispute of the sovereignty in a wider sense. Even china would not say U belong to R. But the hell of P and I, …

There is no easy solution … from camp David to now.
So they sold a phone with their iCloud account connected.

Which means all of their current emails, photos, contacts, bookmarks, browsing history, location etc was also available.
> maybe not even a hiring of an impressionist

If they really hired someone who sounds just like her it's fair game IMO. Johanssen can't own the right to a similar voice just like many people can have the same name. I think if there really was another actress and she just happens to sound like her, then it's really ok. And no I'm not a fan of Altman (especially his worldcoin which I view as a privacy disaster)

I mean, imagine if I happened to have a similar voice to a famous actor, would that mean that I couldn't work as a voice actor without getting their OK just because they happen to be more famous? That would be ridiculous. Pretending to be them would be wrong, yes.

If they hired someone to change their voice to match hers, that'd be bad. Yeah. If they actually just AI-cloned her voice that's totally not OK. Also any references to the movies. Bad.
The self driving car industry.
How about the main feature on tesla.com/autopilot, a (faked) video still there from many years ago that starts with the text that the driver is there only for legal reasons?
Because it's meant to give the _appearance_ or _perception_ that a celebrity is involved. Their actions demonstrate they were both highly interested and had the expectation that the partnership was going to work out, with the express purpose of using the celebrity's identity for their own commercial purposes.

If they had just screened a bunch of voice actors and chosen the same one no one would care (legally or otherwise).
SpaceX is where Elon spends the plurality of his time, and where he is having the most direct involvement /impact.

I don’t agree with some of Elon’s political takes, but I also don’t get especially freaked out or triggered by people who hold opinions I don’t agree with. And I’m not so stupid as to think that my opinion is better than someone else’s because I me and not them.
The default delete behavior is not that, and it is explicitly documented as such.

> When you delete photos and videos, they go to your Recently Deleted album for 30 days. After 30 days, they'll be permanently deleted.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/104967
Smug Silicon Valley entrepreneur. Sam is a trash human
Works where archive.ph is blocked, no Javascript needed:

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The problem is they pursued, was rejected, then approximated. Had they just approximated and made no references to the movie…then I bet social marketing would have made the connection organically and neither Ms Johansson or the Her producers would have much ground because they could reasonably claim that it was just a relatively generic woman’s voice with a faint NY/NJ accent.
But they aren't doing anything with her voice(allegedly?). They're doing something with a voice that some claim sounds like hers.

But if it isn't, then it is more like selling a figurine called Sally that happens to look a lot like Taylor Swift. Sally has a right to exist even if she happens to look like Taylor Swift.

Has there ever been an up and coming artist who was not allowed to sell their own songs, because they happened to sound a lot like an already famous artist? I doubt it.
Bring the cost per craft mile down enough to enable everyone to have their own lounge space for current ticket prices, for example?
Visualising the Ubuntu Package Repository (2013)
One of those "far right wing" politicians happens to be the President of the country, who has repeatedly claimed that "[Gazans are] an entire nation out there that is responsible… This rhetoric about civilians not aware, not involved [in the October 7 onslaught] — it's absolutely not true." [0]

Even in his denial that these claims are basically holding all (or at least most) of the people of Gaza responsible for October 7th, he has actually reiterated the same claim:

"But the reality cannot be ignored, a reality which we all saw with our own eyes as published by Hamas on that cursed day, and that was the involvement of many residents of Gaza in the slaughter, in the looting, and in the riots of October 7. How the crowds in Gaza cheered at the sight of Israelis being slaughtered and their bodies mutilated. At the sight of hostages — God knows what they did to them — wounded and bleeding being dragged through the streets. In view of such terrible crimes, it is appropriate that the honorable court investigate them in depth, and not casually in passing."

He then goes on to say that despite this, they are of course not targeting civilians. But it's hard to see any way to interpret both of these statements other than as claims that the people of Gaza, collectively, deeply hate Israelis.

And other figures of power (members of the Knesset certainly, even some minsters I believe) have said much more explicit, and more heinous, things. I can search for quotes if you haven't seen them.

Quotes taken from

[0] https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-blood-libel-herzog-says-icj-...
They didn't approach her, they approached her agent, which should've the point of contact for either case.

As to whether she owns the rights of that performance or somebody else, we'd have to read the contract; most likely she doesn't, though.
Most of Buzzard's examples are indeed lossless (even bijective) conversions, but the notation mathematicians use (and programming languages often support) makes it look like they are completely absent, which comes back to bite you. In mathematics, it bites you when you want to actually compute your function and realize you don't remember how all those canonical arrows go. In programming, it bites you when the default conversions the compiler inserts aren't the ones you meant.
Came here to write this, was glad to see it's already here.

All the limits that exist for computing machines almost certainly exist for us too; we don't need to solve the halting problem; we don't solve large NP-hard problems; etc.

Of course, if one believes there's something mystical about brains -- whether a soul or access to quantum computing -- perhaps one would disagree.
> I often wonder why tech people think so positively about companies they idolise who are Uber-ing their way through regulations. Where do they think it stops?

Because they don't think about the consequences, and don't want to. Better to retreat into the emotional safety of techno-fantasy and feeling like you're on the cutting edge of something big and new (and might make some good money in the process). Same reason people got into NFTs.
Who are the people who are better-qualified?
Sure. But Netanyahu will have to choose sparingly out of state visits lest he finds himself arrested in a foreign country and shipped to the Hague.
That is still really bad, what?
> valid Bel function

What do you mean by this? Can valid functions produce errors? Does a valid function need to halt?

> In the case of global bindings, there is nothing to analyze

A global name will be used in the program text a finite number of times. You can treat each usage as an the creation of a new value and do escape analysis on it. Doing this on all usages of a variable can determine that the none of these values escape and therefore the value cannot be passed to a list mutating function and is safe to optimise.
Still IF I think rather than when. Some good progress has been made but a large number of critical technologies still need to be demonstrated and development is burning a lot of money.
It drives on every street instead of just freeways, hence full self driving. And its amazing
For me anyway, "dystopian" media is one that conjures a world that is significantly worse than ours in some way. I did not get that from the movie. The movie did not portray the AI as being a malevolent or even a negative presence in the main man's life.

At its core, Her was a beautifully-shot love story between two flawed beings, nothing more.
Much of it is Starlink.
> I also must confess to a strong bias against the fashion for reusable code. To me, "re-editable code" is much, much better than an untouchable black box or toolkit.

I had never come across this particular thought by Knuth, but this hits home so hard.

It feels that most of our productivity is a function of how re-editable the code is in the codebase we operate.

It’s intriguing to think about what makes code re-editable vs simply reusable.
I'm pretty convinced he only really cares about asteroid mining and colonizing mars is just marketing.

Building up the infrastructure for asteroid mining is really the only thing tying all his companies together.

- Boring company: we need to dig tunnels for mines

- Hyper loop: we need to move minerals and miners through the mines

- Satellite internet, electric vehicles, reusable rockets. This is all self explanatory.

Plus his family history of mining.

It kind of makes me wonder what Neuralink is about.
dosdude1 is perhaps the most interesting hardware hacker out there today. The willingness to do something as wild as he does here—literally using a file on the board to fix an otherwise device-breaking crack—is incredible. Happy he gets to experiment with this machine.
Discovery process will be interesting
Back then, I came up with a way to connect two graphics chips onto a single AGP slot without a bridge chip or glue logic. Since AGP is a superset of PCI, both gfx chips will get recognized and enumerated. Then you just have the driver only ever use AGP bus mastering on one chip and PCI bus mastering on the other chip. It is not symmetric in terms of transfer speeds and a bit janky, but it does work.

Can you guess which product used this implementation?
Smells like EDS.. Elon Derangement Syndrome

Animal abuse?? Pray tell what happened
Emerald mines? I thought that was debunked
Starlink - I think he managed it extremely well.. and now there will be StarShield that our government controls
Pretended - if it was all pretending, he wouldn’t be doing it over and over and over again.. he has made an incredible impact with these companies
Some things he does seem to be fraud. Some things are not. What fraction is needed for one to be "a fraud"?

To clarify some of those things:
Self driving car, Flying Tesla Roadster, "Funding secured"
An android phone running ext3/4 likely doesn't delete the file when you press delete either.
SJ's side would use pre-action discovery and trawl through internal OpenAI communications to check. If there was any suggestion of instruction from management to find a similar voice, they'd potentially be in trouble. There's already the indication that they wanted her voice through official channels.

And would they need to use a voice actor when there is a substantial body of movie dialogue and interviews? I'd be surprised if they'd bothered.
You would have to argue the distinctiveness of the voice (if they hadn’t already pursued her to do it). Tom Waits…that’s pretty distinct voice. Scarlett Johansson…not so much
I mean, if a model has the potential to be used in ways which might be harmful, shouldn't we criminalize the people actually using it to do bad things (create deepfakes for pretend kidnap and ransom schemes or whatever) rather than the developer that create the model?

One could use Photoshop prior to generative models to create misleading content, but we didn't expect the developers at Adobe to face jailtime. Why should the developers of stable diffusion 8 (or whatever passes the 10^26 line in the sand they've drawn)?
If they didn't use her voice at all, doesn't seem like there would be a case or even concern.

Also, they proceeded to ask her for rights just 2 days before they demoed the Sky voice. It would be pretty coincidental that they actually didn't use her voice for the training at all if they were still trying to get a sign off from her.
Why would you need a secondary market to buy $DJT shares?
Comments moved to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40419856, which is currently on the front page.
That's changing, at least in the US. I don't know the timeline however. Also recently had to call my bank to verify some credit bureau type details they'd dug up on me.
Matt Stoller is tracking this:
https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/monopoly-round-up-google-...
(this is his BIG newsletter, you need to pay for further details)
The reason Elon is successful is because he doesn't give a crap about what you or half the country thinks. You can't have one without the other.
I thought it was about functionality more than the specific voice.
First they lie to you saying they will save the world. Then they take from you saying they're using them to make the world a better place. Then they rule you, saying "there are no other ways".

All the while many people believe them at every step.
It is the opposition to Israel as an ethnostate, which describes neither Ireland nor New Zealand.
I'm not sure if this is true of modern Google. Certainly there are a ton of custom things around, but it also seems like in the last 5 years there has been a huge push towards not re-inventing more databases/etc, and normalising everything onto a few core technologies. A good example is Spanner, many products have been moved off other home-grown systems onto Spanner, basically to reduce complexity and cost. Sure Spanner is a Google technology, but at least it's one, instead of having all sorts of different esoteric systems, and Spanner is just one example, this is happening in a number of different domains.
I love these takes that constantly pop up in tech circles.

There's no way "you" (the people that engage in these tactics) believe anyone is that gullible to not see what's happening. You either believe yourselves to be exceedingly clever or everyone else has the intelligence of toddler.

With the gumption some tech "leaders" display, maybe both.

If you have to say "technically it's not" 5x in a row to justify a position in a social context just short-circuit your brain and go do something else.
This is a sentiment I'm starting to see more of, and have really started internalizing in recent months.

For every creative task I've given an LLM in the last 2 years, if I cared at all about the output, I ended up redoing it myself by hand. Even with the most granular of instructions, the output feels like a machine wrote it.

I have yet to meet anyone who felt any kind of emotion from generated art, except for "wow, it's cool that AI can make this". That's because (imo) art comes from experience, and experiencing is absolutely not what LLMs do.

Meanwhile, my dad, whose AI experience amounts to using MS Copilot "two or three times," is sending me articles about Devin, and how it's over for software engineers.
Just one minor note: these are parts of American Protestant fundamentalist Christianity, I don't think similar concepts can be found in even the more fundamentalist factions of Catholic, Orthodox, Calvinist, Lutheran, or Ethiopian Christian sects.
you're terribly misquoting- altman heard that the voice they were working with happened to sound like johannson, so he tried to extend an agreement out of good faith. if she didn't want to accept credit for just happening to sound like the scientifically correct voice how is that dishonest?

reminds me of how he gets blamed for his sister wanting to renege on cutting herself out of their father's will, fortunately everyone seems to see through that charade
The most famous case of voice appropriation was Midler vs Ford, which involved Ford paying a Midler impersonator to perform a well known Midler song, creating the impression that it was actually Bette.

Where are the signs or symbols tying Scarlett to the openAI voice? I don't think a single word, contextless message on a separate platform that 99% of openAI users will not see is significant enough to form that connection in users heads.
If they used her actual voice for training the model that shipped then I agree with you. It seems like they used the voice from another woman who sounds similar though.
“capricious, immature, meddler, cronyism, looting, petulant, ill-considered, fraud, liar”

Ever consider you may have some bias against him?
Does this prediction also apply to the HP, Dell and Lenovo devices with Qualcomm Oryon / Snapdragon X?
LOL.

You can't picture a scenario where early man plucks a wild apple? Or that tree naturally replicate themselves?

The fact you ask about how they drove there made me chuckle.
I did find a way to have two gfx chips on a single AGP card without glue logic. See my comment above in this thread.
How about this statement from Scarlett Johansson herself?

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2024/05/20/openai-johansso...
How is it misogynistic?
Right but where were they resurrected from? A database (local or otherwise) that secretly keeps deleted photos forever? And if so why is it keeping them forever instead of actually deleting them?
Not the founder? maybe read Walter Isaacson's book.

Stock graph shows Tesla stock had no material impact from the Solar City purchase, 90% of it's value coming after 2020. Today, Tesla energy and solar dominates the industry to the point where every installer offers Tesla Solar including the largest US installer Sunrun.
People in the comments started to attack the author's argument about halting problem, which I agree isn't the best one, but what about other arguments? They are not less damning for the current technology.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40419760
Historically back around the 90s, the satellite datasets tended to show less warming, and were pointed to as evidence by climate change skeptics (who would argue that land-based data was corrupted by adjustments, urban heat island effect, etc)
What I'm wondering is why are they doing that in the first place. Why is the best AI company in the world trying to stick a flirty voice into their product?