skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> Yes, the "SA" (share alike) part means if you want to use and modify the words then you need to release them under license that is at least as permissive, but LLMs aren't using the words; they are clearly digesting the facts and expressing them in their own words

The CC BY-SA text <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode.en> says nothing about the words. The words "word" and "words" do not even appear in the legal text. What it says, however, is:

> In addition to the conditions in Section 3(a) , if You Share Adapted Material You produce, the following conditions also apply.

> 1. The Adapter’s License You apply must be a Creative Commons license with the same License Elements, this version or later, or a BY-SA Compatible License.

> 2. You must include the text of, or the URI or hyperlink to, the Adapter's License You apply. You may satisfy this condition in any reasonable manner based on the medium, means, and context in which You Share Adapted Material.

where "Adapted Material" is defined as:

> material subject to Copyright and Similar Rights that is derived from or based upon the Licensed Material and in which the Licensed Material is translated, altered, arranged, transformed, or otherwise modified in a manner requiring permission under the Copyright and Similar Rights held by the Licensor. For purposes of this Public License, where the Licensed Material is a musical work, performance, or sound recording, Adapted Material is always produced where the Licensed Material is synched in timed relation with a moving image.

So if you want to argue that LLMs don't have to follow the SA clause, then you have to argue either that:

1. LLMs aren't an arrangement or transformation of their input, or

2. the license doesn't apply at all, eg. because it's fair use in whatever jurisdiction they fall under.

OpenAI is using argument 2 <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37780199>.
Have you looked into the current solutions? MLV sound barriers such as curtains, for example, can help with this.
> the data was always meant to be a public good.

The words are a copyleft-able public good. Concepts, facts, and ideas are not; anyone can use them for anything, including making money. If you're actually worried about specific wording or other creative choices being unjustly used improperly by an LLM, then by all means that should be enforced. But those examples are just very rare, because the LLMs are very good at extracting facts from prose.
> Now, as a matter of academic courtesy it's nice to cite the SE post if it's feasible, but it's impossible for me to remember where I learned everything I've learned over the years. Likewise, an LLM shouldn't be forced to cite where it learned facts, which might be technically hard/impossible, but if there is a clear best source then as a matter of politeness it should. And LLMs mostly do this when they can!

Scientific papers have included references for as long as I can remember. It's not about courtesy, but precision and acknowledgement.

So, are we letting LLMs run free and do things that would be frowned upon if they were done by humans?
It's true that I can't undo Reddit having sold my content for models, I don't lose sleep about what I can't change. But we have every expectation (on every site but this one) that we can delete our content to empty out the original context.
Hopefully this disproportionately influential community would like to see more of the reform side of things and less of the war side of things?

People are always talking about a “post-scarcity” world, but isn’t that in some sense globally true while locally false today? The US (which I appreciate is not the whole world but a signal example of having just passed the knee in the hockey-stick on Gini) burns something like 30-40% of key agricultural outputs as ethanol representing a net disaster on emissions.

At what point do we acknowledge that we actively choose a governing/managing/ruling class that has no upper bound on conspicuous consumption? Yachts don’t cut it anymore, now you’re not a player until you’ve got a fucking private space program.

I did very well in my career once and might again, and I remember feeling outright guilty when I had a house with “his and hers” sinks in the bathroom, that felt really opulent (because it is).

Bezos has “his and hers” custom private jets that fly more often than many people drive or train (this is public record), a huge airplane carrying one passenger sometimes daily.

I hear a lot of hot air about universal basic income and stuff, but what’s stopping our leaders? Corporate profits shatter record after record, rank and file workers are choosing between basic necessity A or necessity B, you could have lower margins and pay people Universal Basic Income in the form of a living wage. Then it’s not even big government or “welfare” or some other boogeyman.

They’re just dark triad liars, it’s just nonsense, the elite are not trying to change the world for the better: they’re trying to dig deeper moats and build higher walls around consumption that’s gone from conspicuous to fucking genocidal.
I thought it was cool. A bunch of stuff that would end up in a land fill anyway. People love to be offended these days.. and then apologizing for an ad?

Apple went from 1984 to this…
> I mean, one of its primary uses is to replicate the beauty of a human playing piano or violin via videos and recordings.

Videos and recordings don't actually replicate those things. They approximate them. Recordings leave out tons of really important expression.
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How to fix this? We need to expect to: have less, have it more slowly, and use it as efficiently as possible. If we don't do this, it'll be forced on us, painfully.
Or maybe just fork the project instead and let users who want these features use the package the way the authors intended.

There are multiple KeePass implementations. The people using this one are doing so because they want its features.
I'm not sure how that makes sense today, to me it's more of a novel idea than a solution to a problem. I use AI every day in my workflow and I honestly don't believe it's capable of reliably solving merge conflicts. GPT-4 can write a really nice method but can't integrate it into my code-base. If half of the proposed solutions are incorrect, I need to scrutinize all proposed solutions equally. Would I rather review likely inaccurate conflict resolutions, only to solve it myself afterwards, or resolve it myself from the get-go in a way that I know makes sense? Do I want to give my teammates the ability to click a button and introduce subtle merge bugs?
See my other reply.

What I neglected to add there is exactly what you mention. I'm a tech person.

What's interesting is that an ad department was so tone deaf. Those aren't techies.
Agreed, its one of the many reasons I cant wait for the shift from ICE vehicles to EVs, they are just so much quieter.
> In case there are no jpg files in the working directory, Bash will put the pattern itself (*.jpg) into the $x variable. You need to explicitly check that the file in the variable actually exists before working on it.

Indeed that's one thing Elvish has better defaults that I forgot to mention in https://elv.sh/learn/scripting-case-studies.html#jpg-to-png...., and now I've added that, thanks :)
As an AI authority I trust you to tell us the truth about this matter.
But it’s a valid build configuration option provided by upstream. Not sure I follow this line of reasoning.
For whatever reason I feel compelled to share my initial reaction to this comment:

Just because you managed to use "tool of art" as a literal phrase doesn't make your point more clear. Why should I care if a couple of these pieces are destroyed. Presumably they didn't destroy anything of historical, cultural, personal, or scarce significance. Are you sure you're not making an argument based only in emotions?
Robin Williams on Johnny Carson, high as a fucking kite on coke.

Hollywood did so, so much cocaine back then.
Well, the key thing here is writing SQL views to do the access. Once you’re willing to do that, it’s a fairly minor distinction between using PostgREST or writing a thin, possibly even generated, API layer. But that’s exactly what people are typically not willing to do.
AI has no incentives. ChatGPT is a file. IT'S A FILE. If you don't ask it anything, it just sits there. A FILE with word weights is not going to "lie".

No one ever accuses the Google index of lying when they get a misleading result.
Very interesting, I knew about PostRest, but never checked it out. A lot of the boilerplate can probably be cut away with using PostRest.

Just wondering, what about security and especially if someone decides to DDOS your server with high-load queries? Do you try to filter/block those with NGINX?
They've definitely thought about it. This is not the first user to rage quit and vandalize their posts and they have standard procedures to deal with it. (IIRC their system will even automatically flag bulk edits for review.) If you would like to disavow your content, you can ask to have your name removed, but once the content is out there and considered sufficiently valuable, it will not be deleted.

I don't agree with how StackOverflow's current management has been running the site, but for anyone who has used the site, the outcome of this behavior should have been obvious. I'm sure Wikipedia would react the same if you deface all the pages you contributed to prevent OpenAI from consuming words you wrote.
Ah yes, the "curious discussion" that hackernews is so proud of.
gorgeous!! did you build the ui yourself or did you use a package to help? how did that go?
the difference is that with kb/s speed, 40x of 10 characters per second overhead mattered. now, humans aren't nearly fast enough to contest a network.
Tone deaf responses like this are a big reason why resentment is building towards Silicon Valley.
To convey: I think this is a good example, of what Workaccount2 might have meant, we are somewhat sensitized for racism that we perceive the comparison of the situation with another countries as racism denial and i think this is because it suggest that we are perfect in some sense and can stop fighting for more equality, which we can absolutely not, there is still a lot of work in front of us.

I think that in the context of this discourse Workaccount2 has a point in what i believe Workaccount2 has meant, which is that the countries with the lowest amounts of xenophobia and racism will attract the most migrants... because who would like to live in a country in which you are oppressed.

And to come back to Japan:
Japan seams to have a horrific problem with xenophobia and racism, at least this is the impression i get when i look at the discourse that happen in Japan from the outside[0] and read through Wikipedia[1]. What, does not mean that the US or EU has no racism, and can stop working, quite the opposite.

[0] This one is especially revealing IMHO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CraWEwbyapQ

[1]
> Japan lacks any law which prohibits racial, ethnic, or religious discrimination. The country also has no national human rights institutions. Non-Japanese individuals in Japan often face human rights violations that Japanese citizens may not. In recent years, non-Japanese media has reported that Japanese firms frequently confiscate the passports of guest workers in Japan, particularly unskilled laborers.

> A significant number of apartments, and some motels, night clubs, brothels, sex parlours and public baths in Japan have put up signs stating that foreigners are not allowed, or that they must be accompanied by a Japanese person to enter.

> "Discrimination toward foreign nationals in their searches for homes continues to be one of the biggest problems", said the head of the Ethnic Media Press Centre.

> "Discrimination toward foreign nationals in their searches for homes continues to be one of the biggest problems", said the head of the Ethnic Media Press Centre.

> Some hospitals have been known to turn patients away if they could not confirm their residence status.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Japan
SO is different. It's a community effort, an asker and a set of answerers create something together, and SO+moderators clean up so that something is easy to find by searching (and also make the total collection downloadable).

This asker ignored the rights of the answerers, moderators and SO, all of which put effort into creating that. I won't mind if someoen deletes his own unanswered question, but vandalising it after answerers put in an effort to answer? That's rude and egoistic.
Fascinating. Perhaps Stallman's greatest innovation is copyleft. The idea of required reciprocation seems to tie deeply into people's views. For the little OSS I have I picked it by default but would gladly use BSD or some safe PD license on the other hand.

The idea of Pillaging the Commons is interesting. I wonder when the mainstream opinion started shifting. It wasn't quite sudden but it seems to me that even ten years ago the dominant Internet visible position was that much of copyright was bogus: information wants to be free / if a pirate copies your stuff, you still have it

But now there's a stronger sense of "this information is ours". Perhaps that subculture moved somewhere and this one came here or perhaps I moved from where the former was to where the latter is.

I find it an interesting sociological phenomenon.
No. Social Science almost always is done/funded by organizations / people who already have a set agenda. A Department of "Equity and Justice" will always fund research that fits their mission. Thanks to spurious correlation, you can make up anything. Many social science research are not reproducible.

It's also done by people who aren't hard-core physicists or mathematicians, meaning they can't/won't do true multi-dimensional analysis and 2nd and 3rd order effects.
Really? You don’t get it? No amount of “well you need a better lens, so it’s a lie” would get you the same results anyway.

It’s a professional shoot. End of story. It’s factual that it’s shot on an iPhone. If you replaced it with a full frame body, you’d still not achieve this.

If your entire point is that a customer might buy the device and think they can achieve the same results, then why does that not extend to anything else?
It’s final cut. I believe they showed that the last time they released the video about shooting an event on an iPhone.
The indie enterprise software developer fairytale
Apple started cheating me out of App Store bundle purchases
I meant digital vs. analog, nothing pejorative
I expect the majority of people really aren't bothered about this though - just a vocal minority, so although maybe a bad ad for some, I expect the benefits of the publicity of this ad far outweight the downsides.

I wouldn't have paid any attention to a new iPad launch or known that it was the thinnest one yet, without this 'bad' press.

If anything, I'd say I'd be more likely to purchase a new iPad as a result
PBS needs a streaming platform more like YouTube and less like Prime. We’ve needed this for at least a decade.
> What's up with the Italian imperialism from "epolanski"?

I know, right? Almost as if he's Roman Polanski

(I'll show myself out now)
My parents were those "third world immigrants" as is my SO who is an MD.

Despite being the son of those "third world immigrants" I've funded companies and built products that have most likely protected your employer from nation states attacks by "third world" countries like Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea, and have absolutely protected NATO+.

Go crawl back into your hole and don't come out.
That's because it's not really 'artificial intelligence', it's just artificial regurgitation software ™ - so much sensationalism about this stuff.
Notion, please!

I know technically it can work offline, but it lacks so many things that you only can "use" it with internet
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Maybe the average technologist, but for anyone who understands Apple's culture and history, your claim is not just inaccurate, but opposite of the truth.

Steve Jobs addressed this exact point during a 2011 keynote [0]:

> It is in Apple’s DNA that technology alone is not enough—it’s technology married with liberal arts, married with the humanities, that yields us the results that make our heart sing.

0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlI1MR-qNt8
All advertising must have these two criteria:

1. Who is this advertisement for?

2. How persuasive is it for that person?

Compare and contrast Apple's two other advertising campaigns: the black-and-white dancers for iPod [0], and the 'resistance' 1984 for Macintosh [1]. In the former, the target were people who wanted to have a good time but also highlighted the fashionable white chord that was unique to iPods of the time. It said you could have fun and be cool (if you bought an iPod). In the latter case, the target were people who wanted to be free from soulless computers and express themselves. It said you could have freedom and be unique (if you bought a Macintosh).

Now lets compare the newest advertisement. If you are a creator, watching a bunch of the things you like and create destroyed is unsettling. If you like appreciating those creations, then watching a bunch of artwork, games, etc destroyed is unsettling. If you like to preserve things, watching a bunch of well-crafted instruments and technology that last decades destroyed and replaced by a device that barely lasts a few years is unsettling.

Every advertisement has one job: Persuade TARGET to do ACTION. Advertising is designed to manipulate your feelings toward this end. This advertisement is not just a flop, but is triggering strong negative feelings in the very target demographic. It became an organic and viral Anti-Marketing campaign for Apple itself. From a marketing perspective I would want to yank and kill this ad as fast as possible and get ahead of all the strong negative reactions.

As an exercise in these ideas, I'm going to try rewriting this ad in a way that isn't so off putting.

---

> Open with a dark room.

> Cut to a montage of hands turning on a light switch.

> Cut to scenes of well-maintained basements slowly lighting up, florescent lamps flickering

> Pan over various details of each room as lights flicker, one an art studio, one a musician studio, a couple of others

> Shots of each person doing some care maintenance (musician dusting a guitar, painter cleaning a brush, etc)

> Cut to musicians picking up a couple of instruments, sync shots together to get a soundtrack, soundtrack continues until the end of the commercial

> Montage of other people being inspired and doing a few quick drawings/paintings/singing/music/etc.

> Wind down with everybody slowly putting everything back

> Quick shots of everybody in their basement/studio's doorway, each put a hand over the lightswitch, look back into the room, then looking down.

> Cut to framed image of an iPad, and a hand reaching to unplug its charger and put it into a backpack or carrier.

> Cut to hand on a lightswitch turing out the lights, cut music, cut to black

> White-on-Black text centered: "You'll be back"

> cut to the text: 'iPad'

> fin

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjFgMyDtKSU

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I
I don't understand what's the benefit of adding additional third party code into the hot-path. Adding yet another endpoint is hardly a lot of work, sometimes even auto-generated and has the benefit of being available in your existing monitoring / instrumentation environment already.

Also what about caching if people can "craft" random queries and send them straight to your PG instance?
Can this be added to electron apps?
When LLMs are used to write academic papers, then there is definitely a stronger requirement on the authors deploying them for identifying the source of ideas, as a matter of professional ethics (not law). But this isn't the issue being discussed, and it's not anything new with LLMs. Long before LLMs, academic authors occasionally got ideas from other places StackExchange without citing them properly in papers. (They frequently learn things from StackExchange, but most of the time they don't need to cite them because it's part of common knowledge. Cases where they got novel, cite-necessary insights is much rarer, as it will be for LLMs.)
Good point! Far and away the best popularization of recent results, at least in the eyes of a mathematician.
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> giving a foreigner a position of power (commercial or government) is basically unthinkable

I mean, not totally unthinkable, thankfully. That's the only reason we have the Carlos Ghosn Hollywood-esque escape story.
HN is great for news, but man it sometimes feels like I am browsing LinkedIn when I go to the comments. The cult of techno optimism and progress at all costs is strong here. It is entertaining, but man it is also depressing.
Ultimately they are digging their own grave (who needs SO if you can ask ChatGPT and shell out a few bucks to Microsoft eh?)

If anyone else thinks it's a bad move, the most efficient way to boycott it is by adding senseless questions and answers and upvoting them. Us people is how they got big, us people is how they go down.
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This is actually not an issue. Nearly every single car manufacturer uses the exact same camera module, and have for like a decade now.

The standard is that head units have a composite video input that simply gets switched to whenever you put it into reverse, and any overlays are done in the head unit.

These are utterly standard parts, and the entire auto industry could die tomorrow and you would still have zero problem sourcing this part for decades to come.

It doesn't matter which make or model of car you have.
The purpose is racism. They are intentionally acting to racially discriminate against current and prospective employees.
Of course people are, that’s the main source of the controversy. I’m just exploring a side aspect about why this ad doesn’t work.
> Stack Overflow, previously, did not say this.

It's always a good idea to read the copyright/usage terms of sites you might be contributing to.

Stack Overflow has been very transparently licensing their content under creative commons since the beginning; that's a big part of why I occasionally contribute to it.
Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that a point release suddenly broke everyone's workflows and is causing maintenance headaches. I don't think the technical minutia of how exactly things were broken is the issue.

If Debian shipped a Linux kernel point release that disabled networking I think people would be similarly upset, even though it's also just a build option and intended to be a valid build configuration (and would even more secure!)
The Simons Foundation has had an enormous, transformative impact on neuroscience as well. It’s widely considered among the most incisive, forward-looking sources of funding in the field, pushing for fundamental advances to solve “tomorrow’s problems.” https://www.simonsfoundation.org/collaborations/#global-brai...
Do you have an ad blocker? Or just the built in user tracking controls?

I wonder if it’s confusing their ad network.