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Ask HN: Which Tech Stack has still maintained its charm?
In a current tech market which domain/language/skill is still in demand or is hard to find?

Can you bet on something for the future?
You might be talking to GPT-5...
Licensing the emotion-intoned TTS as a standalone API is something I would look forward to seeing. Not sure how feasible that would be if, as a sibling comment suggested, it bypasses the text-rendering step altogether.
That's not a well sourced story: it doesn't say where the numbers come from. Also:

"However, ChatGPT consumes a lot of energy in the process, up to 25 times more than a Google search."

That's comparing a Large Language Model prompt to a search query.
I'm eagerly staying tuned to the fortunes of Bayer who recently announced plans to fire 40% of their management and thereby save $2.2B/year. Presumably they'll automate much of the info flow across the soon-to-be missing layers. It can only be an improvement. Pharmas are notoriously top heavy and bureaucratically ossified.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pharmaceutical-giant-bayer-ma...
Right to who? To me, the voice sounds like an over enthusiastic podcast interviewer. Whats wrong with wanting computers to sound like what people think computers should sound like?
You don't need a GPT for that, the actual hard part is being able to crawl social media
Sam Altman gave the impression that foundation models would be a commodity on his appearance in the All in Podcast, at least in my read of what he said.

The revenue will likely come from application layer and platform services. ChatGPT is still much better tuned for conversation than anything else in my subjective experience and I’m paying premium because of that.

Alternatively it could be like search - where between having a slightly better model and getting Apple to make you the default, there’s an ad market to be tapped.
In the video where the 2 AI's sing together, it starts to get really cringey and weird to the point where it literally sounds like it's being faked by 2 voice actors off-screen with literal guns to their heads trying not to cry, did anyone else get that impression?

The tonal talking was impressive, but man that part was like, is someone being tortured or forced against their will?
Right now, the source is available under the Confluent license, but we intend to go BSD/MIT once our fundraising is done.
So, babelfish soon?
> The world, and our monkey brains, are not evolved to deal with threats like modern media and climate change.

We only have left, the problems we can't solve.
Yeah it made me realize that I actually don't want a human-like conversational bot (I have actual humans for that). Just teach me javascript like a robot.
Legit love progress
Addressing That Post About `final`
The increased expectations are a direct result of LLM proponents continually hyping exponential capabilities increase.
I was only able to access 3.5 variations
the OpenAI live stream was quite underwhelming...
So, babelfish incoming?
I’ve been having all my email addresses posted plain text since like 2005 and I’ve signed up on like every website imaginable (my password manager has over 2,000 entries) and I’ve never had a spam problem, at least on Gmail.
"(I work at OpenAI.)"

Ah yes, also known as being co-founder :)
and was briefly untrue for like 2 days
Can you tell the current voice model what feelings and tone it should communicate with? If not it isn't even comparable, being able to control how it reads things is absolutely revolutionary, that is what was missing from using these AI models as voice actors.
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I'm not sure I do want a Her style AI :) I kinda like the professional personality used in text mode chat. The overly emotional tone used in the demo would get annoying or weird to me quite fast. Like, did it really sigh when he asked it to sing?
Literally, in that he is unable to process things, just in the same way my fuse blows - it is resettable.

Not literallly in the cartoon sense.
That anecdote at the beginning brought to mind a personal event recently that I keep meaning to write a proper blog about.

A friend of mine, who is much younger than I am and to whom I've acted as something of a mentor for many years, has her first proper job in a long time. It's a blue-collar job for an understaffed place, and she's been working her ass off to keep things moving along smoothly. And she likes that! She likes holding things together, overcoming the challenges that workplace puts on her, being the one standing between them and the whole place falling apart. She likes doing a good job, and finds personal value in it.

She asked me whether or not that was okay.

Because, she reasoned, the harder she worked, the more her employers would just use that as an excuse not to hire the people they need. Every time she plugs a leak, she's removing pressure from the owners to fix it. Her hard work, she reasoned, isn't rewarded, it's exploited, and it paves the way for further exploitation of both my friend and her coworkers.

That's horrifying! It's way beyond alienation from your product, it's punishment for pursuing virtue and excellence.

Work is a good thing! It's a natural part of who we are, it can be a massive source of self-worth and self-esteem, it's a core defining part of human life to the point that a lot of our very names come from the labor of our ancestors. For me, it proved to be the cure to many of my mental health ills almost all by itself. Working hard at a job I liked turned my entire life around piece by piece, and not working for a bit afterward turned out to be poison to my well-being. I was so stressed about my current work I couldn't sleep last night, and it's still better than I felt not working, because work is that important to my stability and self-esteem.

I ended up telling my friend that yeah, she should feel okay about it and try to better herself, because she can take every way she grows with her when she leaves. But it's hard to argue that she's wrong about the adversarial calculus, and I get why people check out. It's a painful thing to see.
No, the poster said it's good for retrocomputing, implying MP3 is outdated and no one should be using it normally.
Yes? Why would it be able to do that?
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Depends. Cool cyborg eyes, better glasses, cataract surgery, retinal detachment surgery, etc. are not eugenics, so they're fine to advocate for. Heritable genetic modification, embryo selection, sterilisation campaigns etc. are eugenics, and advocating for them will do more harm than good.

Visual impairment isn't, afaik, something the eugenics bad guys are focusing on at the moment – though it was in the past – so they're not likely to twist research into the sorts of things that get bowdlerised out of history textbooks. (e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5225285/ exists, but there's no organisation seeking legal permission to electrocute non-compliant blind children.*) So even if you keep it vague, advocating for "curing" blindness is unlikely to be seen as, or act as, advocating for eugenics; likewise, research into the developmental origins of (say) congenital cataracts is mostly safe.

Eugenics is when you take measures that improve the overall fitness of the human population. In other words, eugenics is when you decide which kinds of people should and shouldn't exist.

There are people with skin so fair that it burns in even moderate sunlight – even through clothing –, leading to an increased incidence of melanoma. This is associated with the Asp294His polymorphism in the MC1R gene. This would be very easy to "cure"… and I really wish, as a species, we had the capacity to say "hey, option's available to anyone who wants it, but we won't force it on anyone". But if we had that technology today, you know it would be used in some tired plan for ethnic cleansing, where the cruelty is the point and the costs don't matter. Every time we have some scientific (or cultural) advance that can be construed as legitimising such actions, people attempt it.

And maybe we'll grow past that.

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*: since they've come up in the thread before, I feel obliged to note: Autism Speaks' PR machine is, surprisingly enough, on the right side of this particular child torture issue.
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It should do that, because it's still not actually an intelligence. It's a tool that is figuring out what to say in response that sounds intelligent - and will often succeed!
I'm ceaselessly amazed at people's capacity for impatience. I mean, when GPT 4 came out, I was like "holy f, this is magic!!" How quickly we get used to that magic and demand more.

Especially since this demo is extremely impressive given the voice capabilities, yet still the reaction is, essentially, "But what about AGI??!!" Seriously, take a breather. Never before in my entire career have I seen technology advance at such a breakneck speed - don't forget transformers were only invented 7 years ago. So yes, there will be some ups and downs, but I couldn't help but laugh at the thought that "14 months" is seen as a long time...
"Relatively easy" is a poor phrasing choice on my part. It's still very hard, but it's one of the easiest in a list of really hard tasks. Solving climate change involves a lot of really hard problems.
It does, that's "custom instructions".
Random OpenAI question: While the GPT models have become ever cheaper, the price for the tts models have stayed in the $15/1Mio char range. I was hoping this would also become cheaper at some point. There're so many apps (e.g. language learning) that quickly become too expensive given these prices. With the GPT-4o voice (which sounds much better than the current TTS or TTS HD endpoint) I thought maybe the prices for TTS would go down. Sadly that hasn't happened. Is that something on the OpenAI agenda?
Sam has been pretty clear on denying GPT-5 rumors, so I don't think it will come anytime soon.
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The Performance Impact of C++'s `final` Keyword (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40116644) - Apr 2024 (267 comments)
Two things Just gives you beyond that:

- It handles all that boilerplate for you. The only stuff in the justfile is code you want to execute, not the code to figure out which code to execute.

- Out-of-the-box tab completion. "What did I name that recipe? `just t<tab>` Oh, `test-all`, that's right!"

I like not reinventing those wheels. Let someone else manage that hassle for me.
This seems similar to a condo.
I'm not sure of this. The jury is still out on most ai tools. Even if it is true, it may be in a kind of strange reverse way: people innovating by asking what ai can't do and directing their attention there.
>they have the supersonic robots and the other guy doesn't

Should also consider what happens when more actors have supersonic robots if/when this tech proliferates. AI pilots is going to lower barrier for _real_ airpower for small/medium size powers. Not just US is training relevant models. And AI pilots = accepting future is going to be full of attritable platforms, whose going to be making/selling all the cheap disposable defense hardware. Just like drones, commoditizing theatre level air power is going to be gamechanging.
It looks like this still doesn't cancel out? It's an interesting point as to whether our hypothetical change in c would affect the relationship between photon energy and wavelength, but either way we get a nonzero power of c.
I'm really impressed about this demo! Apart from the usual quality benchmarks I'm really impressed about the latency for audio/video: "It can respond to audio inputs in as little as 232 milliseconds, with an average of 320 milliseconds, which is similar to human response"... If true at scale, what could be the "tricks" they're using for achieving that?!
I use absolute overkill for this. A `build.rs` file that persists a metadata file into `OUT_DIR`. Something simpler would be nice, for sure.
Thank you - I understand what you are saying, and feel like I agree. I would thumbs-up in ascii if it were appropriate here.

I may be over sensitive to generational comments as I've been 'feeling my age' for several months. And the comment you posted makes sense to me better now. <3
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I think this is really interesting and and I think it would have been stronger without digressing into current political events. It becomes a self-affirmation - "everyone who agrees with me is clear-eyed rational thinker, everyone who disagrees with me is laboring under from psychological shortcomings."

We all sometimes fail to do a "good job of distinguishing between a threat and someone trying to warn" us. Pretending it only happens to people who disagree with us is just another delusion
Any suggestions? Thanks

I have tried Phind and anything beyond mega junior tier questions it suffers as well and gives bad answers.
Tbf gpt4 level seems useful and better than almost everything else (or close if not). The more important barriers for use in applications have been cost, throughout and latency. Oh and modalities, which have expanded hugely.
> I still don't know if 120F would burn my hands or not, if 150 F scalds or not. I have no sense about temperatures above 100F

I don't see how C would be easier for that. How do you know if 49℃ burns or 66℃ scalds?
Thank you for being such a great example of the exact behavior the article is talking about.
I remember the PC Gamer issue featuring the tech. You had all those old wild western town screen shots showing things like HDR lighting before HDR was a thing (or felt like it). I also remember E-DRAM (on-die embedded DRAM) that promised insane texture filling speeds. It was exciting at the time as 3D was really blowing up and realism was edging closer and closer. Though noting ever came of it, I always remembered the name Bitboys. I never knew actual hardware existed either.

I was in uni at the time and a professors son went to work for ATI working on graphics chips and I thought it must have been a dream job but the professor countered: "He says it's a boring job dragging libraries of gates into designs, verifying, debugging, and moving on" The following year I heard the son jumped ship to a gaming company doing engine work and loved it.
Yes, I did know that, and I did scroll down to the bottom. Even though it contained some good information, I just thought it was presented in a way that excessively got in the way of actually understanding and using the info, and that the graphic presentation was lame, just A:B with a very constrained and poorly working city-picker box (said enter city, wouldn't work or even give an error message unless you entered only one of the cities they actually had in their list, so should have been presented as a drop-down, not a free-entry box), didn't show the areas where there were differences vs stayed in the same zone, etc. etc. etc.
The italian output in the demo was really bad.
Seems to be the case with all their models - really huge in size, no actual performance gains for the effort.

Their refined web dataset is heavily censored so maybe that has something to do with it. It’s very morally conservative - total exclusion of pornography and other topics.

So I’d not be surprised if some of the issues are they are just filtering out too much content and adding more of the same instead.
I’m sure other companies want a share of the pie. Whether they offer identical performance or some degraded version (or better) is neither here nor there. I want genuine.

People will knee-jerk on any bad news so I can understand Apples concern that third-party components get conflated with their users product experience. If a third party battery burns a house down the headline will still be “iPhone burns down a house”.

You’re right that I have enjoyed the extended lifetimes that apple products afford. For iPhones this has allowed me to move to the second hand market safe in the knowledge of many more years of excellent support. Repairability is great - only if the product is still supported.
It's pretty impressive, although I don't like the voice / tone, I prefer something more neutral.
How far are we away from something like a helmet with chat GPT and a video camera installed, I imagine this will be awesome for low vision people. Imagine having a guide tell you how to walk to the grocery store, and help you grocery shop without an assistant. Of course you have tons of liability issues here, but this is very impressive
does anyone know the name of the monospaced font being used in this screenshot
GPT-4o being a truly multimodal model is exciting, does open the door to more interesting products. I was curious about the new tokenizer which uses much fewer tokens for non-English, but also 1.1x fewer tokens for English, so I'm wondering if this means each token now can be more possible values than before? Might make sense provided that they now also have audio and image output tokens? https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/

I wonder what "fewer tokens" really means then, without context on raising the size of each token? It's a bit like saying my JPEG image is now using 2x fewer words after I switched from a 32-bit to a 64-bit architecture no?
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>Token volume needs to double just for revenue to stand still

Profits are the real metric. Token volume doesn't need to double for profits to stand still if operational costs go down.
This happens basically every year
It understands tonal language, you can tell it how you want it to talk, I have never seen a model like that before. If you want it to talk like a computer you can tell it to, they did it during the presentation, that is so much better than the old attempts at solving this.
haha I've been bitten often enough by complex build systems (cough Yocto cough) to develop a habit of adding random strings to see what actually gets included in the final executable. When you have patches, patches patching other patches, hundreds of ifdefs and python mixed with shell scripts, it is often the only way to make sense of it all.
Try to get some help from your investors on the acquihire, if you have professional investors.

Btw 1.5 months likely not enough time to close a deal, need to be pulling alarm levers now.
Yeah, supermarkets have a disproportionate number of apple varieties compared to pretty much everything else. Might be a couple varieties of local corn but more likely at a farm stand than the supermarket. 3 major categories of potatoes plus small ones. Yeah, maybe 5 kinds of chilis. My farm stand does have more varieties of things like eggplant and squash.
Is it possible to use this as a TTS model? I noticed on the announcement post that this is a single model as opposed to a text model being piped to a separate TTS model.
The big ones probably not, but I extended and ran my fast-hash generator just this year again, with new ideas and new builtin op codes, and the results didn't change since at all. You need to find a combination of fast and good-enough hashes.

But fast string search changed a lot in the last decade. The previous winners were all taken over by a new two-way algorithm as implemented in musl. This was a surprise. search is definitely more important than inthash. Maybe glibc will catchup in the next decade.
This is a profound statement.
window dressing

his love for yud is showing.
I can't see any calculator for the audio pricing (https://openai.com/api/pricing/) or document type field in the Chat Completions API (https://platform.openai.com/docs/api-reference/chat/create) for this new model.

Is the audio in API not available yet?
Yeah, Llama3 is also smoking Mistral/Mixtral. It’s my new model of choice.
Why would reasoning have plateau’d?

I think reasoning ability is not the largest bottleneck for improvement in usefulness right now. Cost is a bigger one IMO.

Running these models as agents is hella expensive, and agents or agent-like recurrent reasoning (like humans do) is the key to improved performance if you look at any type of human intelligence.

Single-shot performance only gets you so far.

For example- If it can write code 90% of the way, and then debug in a loop, it’d be much more performant than any single shot algorithm.

And OpenAI has these huge models in their basement probably. But they might not be much more useful than GPT-4 when used as single-shot. I mean, what could it do what we can’t do today with gpt-4?

It’s agents and recurrent reasoning we need for more usefulness.

At least- That’s my humble opinion as an amateur neuroscientist that plays around with these models.
access to user information,

Sam, please stop ok, those things you saw on tv when you were a kid? They were dystopian movies, we don’t want that for real, ok?
Ah, but stock market investors also like cash making business machines.

If private equity is able to outbid the stock market, they must have spotted a way they can extract more value. Sometimes that's by raiding the pension fund and cranking up prices. Other times it's a distressed business and better management can turn it around.

Neither is exactly good news for customers.
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I can't believe it's an almost 12 min video for what could be summerized up in 30 seconds or less. While I understand the most can be said about youtube and the Internet nowadays, I'm just surprised at the:

Content creator role itself.
The scale of thanking subscribers.
Having the subscribers enter some mock race on the level.
Saying plz help more because it can be his "job."

And in the end result, people do subscribe, and from the look of the discord icons, it skews very young.

The mechanics and content is interesting sure, but all the meta stuff is just..meta and I'm flabergasted at how structured it is.
> We plan to launch support for GPT-4o's new audio and video capabilities to a small group of trusted partners in the API in the coming weeks.

So no word on an audio api for regular joes? that's the number 1 thing i'm looking for
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Yeah, I would hope that custom instructions would help somewhat with that, but it is a point of annoyance for me too.
I wonder how the just announced "GPT-4o" with real-time voice impacts projects like this?

The demo on real-time multi language translation conversation blew me away!
> At the same time, I feel like most everybody feels that they themself are a good, kind, caring person.

FWIW, take my data-point: no.
Caveat emptor and your mileage may vary; but unlike nVidia where you could just assume that everything is compatible with everything, for AMD I'd strongly recommend that you try before you buy - consider renting a cloud machine with that GPU to check if the software works for your needs before committing to a large purchase.
It's there now! And still 128k context window
I hate to play the pessimist here, but I wish we could balance these amazing technological advances with the wisdom on how to use them.

Phones are awesome to look up information or video chat family members on another part of the planet. But staring at them for emotional regulation while avoiding real people around you is a mistake.

I wonder how we're going to solve this problem culturally. I'm trying to change my own habits, but it's hard.