skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Admittedly TikTok is China-owned, and China already bans multiple U.S. based social media companies.
yes

https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint-security/mobile-cyberat...

https://www.nokia.com/blog/the-hidden-threat-of-banking-malw...

https://dataprot.net/statistics/malware-statistics/

(inb4 “I ain’t reading that”)
What would you have Biden do about exactly? Pack the Supreme Court? If Roosevelt couldn’t pull that off at the height of his power, there’s no way Biden is making that happen.
There is nothing TikTok can do that any other app on Apple or google can do.

They could solve a lot of this in an instant; no one will propose limiting collection at the OS level.

The US is fine with SV domestic spying, and not OK with China collecting this amount of information and having a massive “suggestive” social media platform.

Sure, limit TikTok, whatever. I can see who really cares about what.
It's the same with applying to jobs. The first applicants have a greater likelihood to get the job. If you're given a list of names... you're just generally more likely to pick something from the top of the list than the bottom.
Hasn't China been doing that for years?
> we often mistake the speed of initial understanding with a students’ capacity for mastery

This is one of those assumptions that I didn't notice I was making till it was pointed out.

It is hard to predict capacity for mastery. It seem natural to adopt initial understanding speed as a heuristic, but I think it is the kind of heuristic that while effective, also tends creates a significant overestimation of it's own effectiveness through confirmation bias.
Discussion: [0] (130 points, 2 days ago, 207 comments). Not sure why they updated the title (yesterday[1], it included the group)

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40081761

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40090318
looks like his 'engineering' career was mostly just talking, I think
If they knew what was good for them maybe.
China has laws that many foreign companies are unwilling to follow.

That's not the same as having different standards for domestic and foreign companies.
The author has definitely described the problem, but I find it difficult to follow his explanation of the cause.

I suspect the pandemic, not mentioned by the author, triggered the price (and eviction) boom in smaller cities where big city teleworkers with big city house price money flooded small housing markets. Housing is a classic inelastic market. Small cities are particularly inelastic.

The mystery to me is that big city house prices and rents keep on going up in spite of the exodus.

Canada has much the same problem.
This is awesome. I am highly interested in the BioTech space and happened to work with electro-wetting for zero gravity space applications almost 10 years ago!

This is such a cool application of the tech. Everything is accelerating in biotech.

We were using electro-wetting as a low power heat pipe on the Space Station, since heat doesn’t dissipate the same way there as it does on Earth. The tech I built with some engineers used these tiny DC to DC high voltage transformers that would step up the voltage from the 18V power supply to something like 450V on the circuit board to enable the electro-wetting heat pipes to move water droplets.

Would love to chat sometime if you are ever interested.

For reference, our very scrappy POC for the space station: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20190006008/downloads/20...
I did use git for a long time for just this purpose. I don't even remember the details now, but it worked well enough for a single machine.

The main reason I switched to Nix about 8-9 years ago to manage my configurations was the deterministic package versioning. This is mainly because I started managing a lot more machines and each machine had different versions of different software and some config options were deprecated or removed, or syntax was changed, etc etc.

This is around the same time I started to get fed up with Ansible for provisioning and Nix along with NixOS solved both problems quite nicely, enough that I haven't felt a need to change nor any regret since. If not for that, I'd probably still be using pure git.
This certainly won't end in disaster.
That's thought-provoking - thank you.

Essentially, unless it's an old exam where the universe of bad answers is already known, you need two passes - a discovery pass followed by the grading pass.
... If that's the which case, "2024" makes this post title misleading. Submitter likely didn't know, but still.
This sounds like a subplot of a Neal Stephenson story from back in the day.
Read my mind.

That would be an awesome idea, as well as calories/kilojoules burnt and/or brain cells destroyed.
There's no "limiting collection". The valuable data is knowing what you watch. You can't stop the app from collecting that.
I passed high school biology with a C, but I think the difference here is that two completely distinct independent organisms merged into one. The mammalian placenta seems to be more of an example of animals appropriating genetic code from viruses, which I suspect is something far more common in evolution.
I heard inside info from the hill. Apparently a few weeks ago when TikTok got thousands of kids to call their congresspeople, it tipped a ton of the people on the fence to the “hell yes” category. Many offices got more calls than they do in a month that one day. TikTok showed how powerful it is, right there, right then.

If China / TikTok hadn’t overplayed the hand, they wouldn’t lose this weapon. Now they likely will (good thing)
> The US is fine with SV domestic spying, and not OK with China collecting this amount of information

Yeah because at the end of the day SV is literally inside of the US and if e.g. a war started, we know what side they are going to be on.

It's really not that hard to figure out.

When the war starts, do we think Zuck and Tim Cook and the Google trio are going to defect to china?
I bet this correlation goes away if you separate the data by ethnicity.
The government has always held a high degree of power over international commerce, especially wrt adversarial nations. I get that this seems different because of the scale of tiktok but in principle it really seems to me to be extremely typical. There is no 'right' to participate in the international market.

We banned Huawei from communications infrastructure. Cuban and Iranian companies are basically not allowed to participate in the US economy, this is business as usual for any country.
The sad thing is, this bill isn't limited to Tik-Tok. The language was deliberately made overly broad. I would not be surprised if this is eventually used to force American-owned, American-controlled founders to divest ownership of their own companies because of actions taken by other people.

There are two parties in this country, the stupid one and the evil one. Whenever they eagerly get together and push "bipartisan" legislation, that's when I worry the most about whatever stupid, evil thing they are up to these days.
The WSJ article mentions that the CEO mapped out his plan at a cafe with a McKinsey consultant.

No matter how badly this goes, sounds like McKinsey will make out again…
Wug
Nobody is disputing that sense data are necessary. The standard rationalist position is, to quote Leibniz since it's easily accessible on Wikipedia

> The senses, although they are necessary for all our actual knowledge, are not sufficient to give us the whole of it, since the senses never give anything but instances, that is to say particular or individual truths. Now all the instances which confirm a general truth, however numerous they may be, are not sufficient to establish the universal necessity of this same truth, for it does not follow that what happened before will happen in the same way again.

So sense data are necessary but not sufficient, especially for logic. If you believe that empiricism is self-justifying then it does seem like you have to start with the manifold of sense data and somehow build up logic from it. Otherwise you're going to end up #include-ing logic somewhere that may not be obvious, and you've landed to the position you were originally arguing against that you need a reason-based framework to justify empiricism.

A lot of smart people have tried to work out a version of empiricism that attempts to build of logic from sense data. For example, Russell's work and early Wittgenstein. But it always ends up getting pretty crazy.

The easiest way, IMO, to see why it won't work to build up human knowledge from sense data is to realize that the human knowledge system is a distributed system. Empiricists are working with the wrong unit of analysis. The words we have for thought are things like "logic" from logos or "word" and "rational" from ratio or "account" or "reckoning". They're both words that are fundamentally about multiple parties (in CS we can think of them as nodes) doing computation together. Some of the oldest ideas we have about reasoning are dialogs, and that basic idea persists to this day with things like game theoretic semantics. There seems to be something fundamentally "distributed systems" about thought and knowledge.

The individual nodes and their sensors aren't the whole story or even the bulk of the story. That's even more true when you consider that how we interpret sense data depends on billions of years of evolution. Yes we operate on sense data, but we do so using a logical structure that heavily constrains what we see, hear, taste and so forth.

Sense data plays a role, as Leibniz says, just as network cards play an important role in the Google data center. But I don't think anyone would really argue that the value of any large knowledge base is ultimately grounded in network packets.
It's impossible to limit data collection at the OS level without making apps unusable.
"Just did"? Facebook has been banned since 2009 in China.
The prefered stile is something like "Name: Catchphrase". From your site:

> Build advanced data analysis pipelines with our intuitive drag-and-drop interface, specifically tailored for your application needs. Our solution supports big data analysis, utilizing efficient lazy evaluation techniques to speed up processing and enhance performance.

but it's better to keep it dry. Someting like

"LazyanAlysis: Build data analysis pipelines with our drag-and-drop interface."

or something similar. You know your product betteer than me.
In some ways I wish the EU would ban US tech companies, EU basically has no indigenous tech landscape compared to Russia and China who have suppressed US tech.
I use it for work so much I’d gladly pay way more than $20 just for access to GPT-4. It’s pretty terrible at programming but it still saves me loads of time generating the easy functions.

Anything remotely complex I still do by hand. But holy shit its nice having something do my boilerplate.
It happened 100 million years ago.
I actually have a working prototype or two plus some cad for making a clicky scroll wheel using those chunky cnc Dials, is there a market for that? (The haptics of a cnc dial make it really nice for jumping around really long documents )

Edit: I’ve got usb c and usb a versions, I mean stuff like https://images.app.goo.gl/7t7SCs945yyxinsM8 when I say dial. Still messing around with what sorts of enclosure etc for the overall device
No, it's not just following their laws.

You literally have to operate through a Chinese owned joint venture company.
Because TikTok is very popular and owned by a company in an adversarial nation?
This sets the precedent to do the exact same thing to domestic companies if the government feels that the public is being "manipulated," or data being used, in a way it doesn't like.

If the rationale was solely tit for tat, "China does this to our tech companies, so we're simply doing the same," that would actually be significantly more palatable.
The phone should have two fingerprint sets. One will unlock, one will super lock. User your left finger for super locking, and right for unlock. then when the cops mash your thumb it super locks it, and after that mashing won't work.
It's interesting that this analysis implies intentionality on behalf of TikTok, and does not allow for the case that its users genuinely enjoy the service and therefore do not want to see it banned.
If those voters put their money where their mouth is, and vote out the incubates, who went against their wishes, then the next congress will be full of new people.
I think there is a lot more valuable data than just what you watch on social media platforms for different actors. If I am a burglar for instance, I want to collect what you post. Etc.
>There are no Platonic truths, only preferred models.

Yeah, I disagree, I think there's something mathematical truths reflect that are independent of the physical world. When we decide whether certain mathematical claims are true or not, say, Fermat's last theorem---we prove them mathematically, we don't want to appeal to their utility or lack thereof, right? My reasoning for not wanting to appeal to utility for the validity of sense-data is analogous.

>That's what the word "true" means.

I agree.

>It just so happens that the actual state of affairs in objective reality has an impact on survival, so having a faithful reflection of it in your brain is handy.

I agree.

>That's the reason "truth" is a thing.

Well, truth is a thing regardless of whether or not we evolved to be able to hold such a concept in our minds, no?

>podcast

Sure. Contact me at knightoffaith123@proton.me
Well, I started a job at a small startup doing something relatively mathematically and technically complex.

I missed a few red flags.

The CTO had built a pile of indecipherable mess that runs a good solid business. And that's the rub, it was a good business. The CTO had build a steaming pile, but had it all in his head. If others couldn't wade through it, well, it was a good business.

Being a good business, they could afford to run through bodies. I discovered my "coworkers" were all contract. Another red flag.

So as my work extended out into the rest of the system I slowed down, and was eventually moved on. After all the CTO who wrote most of it could handle it, why couldn't I?

I'll take the Lisp over 6502 assembly any day of the week.
Racket Language
My iphone code is 10 characters long. Just use your grand-mothers phone number as a passcode, complete with the long 1-areacode, and shoulder surfers would be hard pressed.
We were once called liberals. We believed in unalienable rights. Guess what, my liberties are gone, people are dying in wars, and I'm not happy.

If you wanted to be part of this experiment we call the United States, you could gain citizenship by learning and understanding what liberalism meant.

Not anymore, just cross the border, we will give you a debit card, and just wait, because we're going to make you a citizen, and your uneducated self will help us burn this nation to the ground.

No war will go unfunded, no problem will be solved, and we will teach you to hate everyone else. This while everyone is screaming about their abortion access while the Nation goes bankrupt.

We have $34T in debt, every 93 days we add another $1T. If you're all such internet geniuses, you should have figured that soon, and very soon, that starts walking away from the Treasuries' ability to pay just the interest.

Democrats will scream raise taxes on the rich, but guess what, there are not enough of them to tax. They won't agree to cutting spending cuts.

Republicans will refuse to cut the military because we have to defend Taiwan, and against every mythical and imaginary enemy.

But wait, there is more, Democrats want to expand surveillance on anyone practicing the 1A, the 2A, while violating the 4A & 5A.

Everything is about what you can get from this country. No one listened to John F. Kennedy. He was murdered. "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country..."

It is all about what you can get out of this for yourself. It doesn't matter if you're a billionaire or some guy on the street. You're trying to get what is best for you, not what is best for all of us.

I want what is best for this Nation. I served, my grandfathers served, my children serve now. But F-U when you tell me I'm part of the problem. I understood what I was fighting for, you have no clue why we're even here.
The premise that it was intended to kill Chinese chipmakers is, if not outright wrong, exaggerated.

The connection to the recent stock dip of nVidia and friends seems dubious. Trying to interpret the stock market when there is no major news story is basically reading tea leaves. Most seem to credit cooling off of AI hype.
A number of countries already ban specific social media sites, including US based social media sites. In many cases, the core issue is that the country wants foreign social media sites to obey local laws and instructions on what to ban. And if the social media site refuses, it is just wholesale banned.

Leaving aside whether this is good or bad, I do foresee a world in which there is diversity in the number of social media sites, and their usage divided along country lines.
I still think it’s funny that the notification they pushed said “your government” instead of “our” or “the”.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/7/24093308/tiktok-congress-b...
Is it so much about accumulating whatever data they can grab from their app or is it really more about having an adversary control the recommendation algorithm?

I think the mass-calling campaign wasn't the best idea - it proved they could mobilize US citizens to a targeted cause, one directed at law makers at that. Get yourself banned speed run, any percent.

edit: was -> wasn't
Do recall that the EU has imposed quite a bit of regulation on US tech companies, remember all the requirements that EU citizen data be located in the EU? An outright ban however is unlikely between allied democratic nations, but it is certainly within their right
Yet warmongers on both sides insist on bleeding the armory dry with bottomless support for wars halfway across the world.

I used to think that the old joke about boats being holes in the water that you poured money into was funny, until I realized the fervor with which both major political parties drive American military adventurism.
I'd prefer if China would allow American social media to operate in China to subvert the CCP regime and eventually free China but if they're not going to then I agree that Chinese social media companies should be banned from the US.
It is interesting how this creates a market for an overarching market-state whose sole function is to protect free trade that would otherwise be blocked by national-level government. Think of the Common Economic Protocol from Neal Stephenson's The Diamond Age - or, for that matter, how modern states arose out of what were essentially protection rackets that would prevent bandits from interfering with free trade between villages.
Oh, that brings back memories! "For every epsilon, there is a delta ..."
I think I misread the previous comment as a snarky jab. My bad!
Yeah Chen, Cho, and Cohen are up there and would bias results.
This is what I have never understood about calling congress people. Why would they listen to a random person? If you have some clout or are an expert on a niche issue sure. But I just feel like if you’re a nobody why would they trust you.
It'll be lots of fun when AGI starts doing unit tests on us.
> users genuinely enjoy the service and therefore do not want to see it banned.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28133824

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28135592
>If the company cannot sell the app in that time, it will become illegal for app stores and web-hosting companies to offer TikTok, as long as it remains under the control of a "foreign adversary."

This is misinformation. The bill is about companies owned by a "foreign adversary" (literal wording of the bill, and enumerated examples in the bill itself).

So please explain how this can ever be used against American owned companies.
It's very important citizens are only exposed to domestic misinformation and propaganda.
> I heard inside info from the hill.

It was a fairly big story last month: https://www.axios.com/2024/03/07/tiktok-ban-congress-phone-c...
There is this false idea that setting up an AWS or Google or Facebook competitor is in some way difficult. It’s not, if Meta, AWS, Google were banned in the EU perfectly functional European equivalents would pop up very rapidly similar to Russia and China.
I like Rich Hickey's description of Scrum: "We've learned the secret to tricking developers into constantly running races... You just fire the starting pistol over and over, right?"
Banning each other makes us as mediocre, if not low, as our competitors.
The chip restrictions may accelerate things, but China was already moving in this direction. The chip restrictions were relatively recent, and the chip production capabilities took years to develop. The chip restrictions mainly made it obvious how far along China already was.
Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations
Thanks for the detailed response!

EDIT: Also, stagex looks pretty compelling; I hope it catches on!
Yep, that’s how it has worked throughout all of human history.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/krishnamoorthi-gallagher-tiktok...

> "Most of these push notifications went to minor children, and these minor children were flooding our offices with phone calls," Krishnamoorthi told CBS News. "Basically they pick up the phone, call the office and say, 'What is a congressman? What is Congress?' They had no idea what was going on."

> The congressman said these concerns and the app's access to young children's data are driving factors creating the bipartisan support of the "Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act," a bill he co-sponsored. The bill calls for ByteDance to divest from TikTok or the app will face restrictions.

> "This is exactly the reason why so many of our colleagues voted for the bill. They don't want a foreign adversary controlling social media apps using geolocation to target minor children to call members of Congress or interfere in our elections. This is exactly the reason why this particular legislation is necessary now," Krishnamoorthi said.