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Gaming is a serious problem in the country. I have known young teenagers devote their lives to "raiding" or getting "frags". Where did they end up now? Working at a McDonalds barely making minimum wage sharing a 2 bedroom apartment and saving up money for the next new hit. I should know, I am one of them. When I am not gaming, I am either posting on video game message boards or masturbating. We need to treat this like a serious problem in America. Kids these days are addicted to video games just like how they are addicted to marijuana. We need to stop this.
It's not really complicated. If you have, say, a RHEL 6.2 image booting on EC2 you can take the same root filesystem and boot it with a kernel from any other RHEL 6.2 installation with some editing of the grub configuration.

But you're right that Amazon isn't really interested in doing that work for you. Linux people who really need this are no doubt already doing it.
I don’t follow your (or your parent post’s) line of thinking. Apparently “dépêche means dispatch (or update, message or news),” and has a connotation of “fast.” I don’t see how this really applies to Drapache, which I thought of as “dr’apache,” a portmanteau of “drop(box)” and “apache.” I’m a Depeche Mode fan, but don’t see how it relates.

Where’s the pun? :)
Got me thinking. Good post.
Wow, I'm seriously impressed.

I'm inspired to make a game using this library I think!
A relevant one, for starters.
What alternative to gmail are we going to recommend, after Facebook buys Opera who own Fastmail?

Actually, where should I go now? I really don't want Facebook to have my email.
Honestly, the easier way of doing this is to just build the MVP. This is what an MVP is designed for, and sometimes you don't even have to build the product. In the Lean Startup, a startup which bought you food from grocery stores and suggested recipes had no actual software. The CEO and CTO did all the work at first
I don't care if people learn to code or don't learn to code, but it would be nice if just for once, we could stop seeing a meta circle jerk at the top of HN every single day.
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That part of my comment was specifically designed to annoy folks like you, because you really need to have a hard look at the safety of the currency that you love. The only people that are going to get upset about that are the zealots, and those that support Bitcoin strongly. It is that opinion which needs revision, since Bitcoin is costing people real money now with spectacular failures such as these.

That game started being played once there were graphs of Bitcoin vs. USD and people started converting back and forth and speculating. Remember that big pop of value? Yeah, me too. I almost cashed in on it, as I had generated a shitload of BTC (~$14,000 in 'value') using a big farm. Then I questioned the safety of the sites that would be giving me the USD when I wanted it, and thought better of it. Overseas business, without real regulation, is dangerous territory. Deleted the wallet, never looked back.

Bitcoin won't be prime time until the awfully-designed, one-man-band, usually-offshore-and-questionably-legal Web sites stop. The end.

> Which is kind of ridiculous, given that my response prompted you to correct something you had said.

I didn't correct it, I reworded it because you misunderstood.

> I don't know what incendiary language you're talking about except maybe "Fuck off, man" which is tit for tat

Stuff like my comment doesn't belong, you're going to tell me even if I'm pg, fuck off, pretty much half your comment.

> when you are advocating making something I've put money into, which is also completely harmless, illegal

I never advocated for such a thing, and it is your prejudices toward the word "regulation" that are driving your responses such as this one. There is heavy regulation on motor vehicles, which is why every time you get in a car, it doesn't explode and kill you.

> I'll probably regret saying that, but that doesn't mean it wasn't deserved.

I don't deserve any harassment for sharing my opinion. Ever.
great idea until a gag order is issued and the system is subverted to issue propaganda.
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I like the distinction you make that freemium can work with certain businesses, but with others it doesn't make as much sense.
Why don't we get these kinds of responses when there's large-scale credit card fraud? "Hey people, it's just money, this shit happens. Go make more and quit crying."

I'll posit it's because the system we inherited—fiat currency insured by governments, poorly secured and handled by credit card companies—works just fine. Nobody would build it this way from scratch, but looking at the endless stream of fiascos with bitcoin, it's obviously better than the alternative. Bitcoin is a bad solution to a non-problem.
Which means the currency the bank housed has a "not real" market, obviously. That's the "logical" conclusion, right?
I don't even run anything close to something as important as Bitcoinica and I have daily database backups. What were they thinking??
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According to the original thread (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2973301), the creator is a 17/18 year old.
And if you really need a good ORM at some point, you can just us SQLAlchemy which is a lot nicer anyway.
Eh, DICE supposedly nerfed this in the last patch.
I'm not the one to ask. Isn't what we're doing right here on HN similar if not identical to "blog comments"? We have read an "article" (or "post") and now we're commenting on it.

So it seems to me at least one person has designed a system that allows this and keeps out spam without using a CAPTCHA.

Consider this:

CAPTCHA is prohibiting comments based on the manner in which they are submitted. But what are really trying to stop? "Spam". How do we know what is "spam"? We look at the content. It might be hard to define "spam" because it is a subjective determination. But we know it when we see it.

What if someone writes some interesting content that is "not spam" but wants to submit it in an automated fashion? CAPTCHA stops him from doing that.

CAPTCHA stops automation. It may stop spam. Or may stop something else.

That's my issue with CAPTCHA. It is not aimed at spam, at least not directly. It is aimed at automation.
I have had some encoding issues with Dropbox public files — namely, I’ll create a UTF-8 .html file and use special characters like “educated quotes” without encoding them as HTML entities (as I should be allowed to do, in a properly encoded file). I’ll use the right meta tag. And yet sometimes, at least in Chrome, they’ll show up incorrectly.

Would Drapache be susceptible to this, or could it it perhaps remedy it?
I tend to prefer mustache, because I can use the same template code server-side and client side trivially. It's nice for cases where you are pre-filling stuff, or where you want to render for no-script situations.
So learning from your mistakes is relevant for everything except financial platforms and life support systems? Those we need to get perfect out of the gate?

That sounds great. Please provide some examples of financial systems (isn't capitalism a big experiment?) and life support systems (yeah we're not poking a stick at the environment at all...) supporting this theory.

I honestly don't have a dog in the bitcoin race, but considering it's a fairly recent invention I expect there'll be some growing pains just like everything else.
Off-topic, but why is he block-quoting his own story? When you are the original source, you don’t need to quote yourself.
Wow, that gave me chills down my spine as I read the old thread.
> I'd prefer to use Python rather than having to
> internalize Javascript syntax

You might want to check out <http://pyjs.org/>. It translates python code into javascript for execution client-side.

I haven't actually played with it much, so this is not an endorsement.
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I’m biased (I work here), and we have a way to go, but IFTTT.com is definitely a step in this direction, too.
No, I did not mean it in that way at all. If I was of a mid to senior level executive or developer at Yahoo, I would definitely rate this Axis up, just because of loyalty towards the company, if nothing else. I would also urge (but definitely not force) my team members to try it, and chances are they would feel the same way.

All that put together would add up to a lot of votes, wouldn't it?
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Ask HN: Why does page 2 of HN have discussions from 2 years ago?
Here is a screenshot page 2 of HN's current stories as of today (May 25th, 2012) 11:00 PM CST:

http://i.imgur.com/5u2Q6.png

Discussions # 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42 and 56 on page 2 are from several days ago (some even 2+ years old).

What kind of ranking algorithm is being applied? Is there some kind of personalization of stories?

And here's one as of 11:08 PM CST:

http://imgur.com/515ki

Was there some switch announced on the purpose of the More link on the HN front page?
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A long post, verbose and unclear in its message. Do not follow his advice.

About coding:

- Coding is an efficient way to represent processes or business processes

- Business processes are the fundament of any business

- 99% of businesses today are digital in their core or heavily support by systems

About passion:

- Most even do not know what their passion is anyway—so let at least all people try to get some success stories and basic experiences with code before they decide it's not their passion

- Creating and building is seen as always an satisfying activity—be it creating a cake, a wooden table or some piece of code—independent of your passion

- Coding can only be an instrument or a part or an building block in order to create something; code is as ubiquitous as reading, writing or math—it doesn't have to be your passion, it's just an instrument to your passion; coding equals not coding: a SAP, web, game coder or a Photoshop scripter do code but at the end of the day they have totally different jobs and passions: a passionate game coder would die when writing SAP code because his passion isn't to code rather to create games while a SAP coder's passion is to organize and represent business logic as efficient as possible. Both love to code because 1) creating is a satisfying activity and 2) coding allows to create a product of their passion (a game or enterprise system).

It's about understanding that any process can and must be automated with software/systems/code nowadays and coding is just a vehicle to your passion.

Not learning to code is not an option.
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Agreed. For all the talk of logic it seems like the root of disagreement is about a very basic logic problem.

Problem solving skills != programming skills. In fact most of my problem solving skills are from learning to solve math problems and not from learning to program.

* Not all problems are solved via programming.

* Not all problems that can be solved via programming, should be solved via programming.

* Not all problem solvers are programmers.

* There are many ways to learn how to solve problems. One does not need to become a programmer to do so.

I think programming is a pretty great skill to pickup in today's world. However I'm not ridiculous enough to suppose that the only way to succeed in solving problems is through code.
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There's a big difference between literacy and knowing how to code.

Literacy means access to the sum total of the world's knowledge. That's huge. That gives you access to everything if you're willing to put in the effort. That's freedom.

"Code literacy" means knowing how to tell a computer to do something reliably and the associated lessons that come with that.

That's good, but it's not the same. One is the ability to gain new skills at will, the other is just another skill to master.

I say all this as a coder who thinks its important, I just think the hyperbole around "programming being the new literacy" to be overblown
Now that is cool (in a horrible way). I'd never linked anonymous assassinations being carried out by drones built and controlled by garage hackers. I was more worried about government-controlled, weaponized drones monitoring citizens domestically. Though I'd say in less than 3 years the technology and economics will allow amateurs to build weaponized drones with face recognition for ~$1000.

Perhaps Anon will build their own drones to take-down government spy drones?

Or imagine a worldwide, anonymous, crowd-funded assassination network funded by bitcoins; targets decided via user votes and hits performed by weaponized drones that have no trace. They could even simply be suicide drones packed with explosives, controlled autonomously to fly at a target via face recognition.

...aaaaaand now I'm probably on a watchlist for typing that :)
the chrome extension is great. I wouldn't use it for technical searches but researching a topic in the news so far has been brilliant.

one thought, this would be awesome as an RSS feed reader.
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I agree. Let's try substituting some other things.

"Don't visit a foreign country"
"Don't learn a 2nd language"
"Don't listen to any music but pop music"
"Don't read anything but children's books"

You could argue that 99.99% of people don't need to visit a foreign country. But most people that do have their horizons broadened. Maybe they realize their home country is not as "special" as there local "we're AWESOME" propaganda suggests. Maybe they realize how lucky they are to live in a well to do country. Maybe they get a picture of how others live (better to aspire too or worse to be thankful for what they have)

99.99% of people don't need to learn a second language. They can get by just fine with just 1. But learning a second language opens up so much of the world. Often learning a foreign language leads to extended time in a foreign country which leads to exposure to new ways of looking at the world and learning what you thought was "common sense" is actually only your culture and not a universal truth.

Learning a little programming opens your eyes to how this digital world works. It opens your eyes that an iPhone or Android is really not magic, just millions of simple parts all working together. Learning a little programming can arguably make you less complacent with limitations of various OSes, Apps, websites, etc. and push for a better world.

It's not about becoming a programmer. It's about having at least a basic understanding of how the modern world works. "Don't learn to program" seems to me like "Don't learn Biology". "Don't learn History", "Don't learn Physics" All of those aren't needed by most people either but learning them gives you more tools to understand the world.

I think Jeff's problem is he really trying to say "You don't need to MASTER programming" and the rest of us are saying "You should learn at least a little programming" and so we're talking past each other?
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Honestly, I think you both need to take a deep breath, step back and stop this conversation.

It doesn't matter who's right or wrong, debating it in this way is just not effective, and HN is not the place for it.
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I'm not saying newbies get very far with it.
This is just a minor incident compared to what could happen with real currency, and I don't think I'm overreaching.
I think you vastly over estimate the 'criminal underworld'. The DOD might be able to make miniature lethal drones using facial recognition software in 20 years. But, probably not. The idea that criminals will start mass producing such things cheaply is silly in your lifetime is just shy if ridiculous. Talking about building stuff is easy, but actually building stuff is hard.

PS: Problem #1 people don't look up that often. Problem #2 there are a lot of people walking around out there. And it just get's worse from there.
To me, this sounds something like: "If you're not optimizing the assembler output of your Lisp code, you're not programming."

Layers of abstraction exist for a reason.
I'm still offering a deal to people bit by the Bitcoinica failure to rebuild their investment portfolios: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg901042#msg9...

Basically, I'll trade bonds in GLBSE listed mining companies for shares in DMC: ~2/3rds of a BTC worth of bonds for 1 BTC worth of DMC.

Bitcoinica royally screwed a large number of investors, and I want people to know and understand that not all of us are people out to steal their money. Some of us really are completely honest businessmen.
Are your daily backups set up in a way that they are impossible to delete if your server is 0wned (either offline or using some kind of write-only scheme)? If so, I think you're ahead of most people...
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The problem is that the only kind of person who would start such a project would be a person who would be immune to these warnings...
Let me preface this by saying Coda 2 is a great development tool, assuming that it works the way that you like work. Personally, it doesn't fit into my development workflow. Coda 2 wants to be a one-stop shop for all of your development needs. So, if that's what you want in a text editor then I would definitely recommend you try it out.

I, personally, do not work that way. I want my text editor to be as absent as possible. I want it to correct indentions and maybe auto complete tags as I go. I want to FTP everything myself. I want to preview the site in Safari and Firefox. I want to use SSH through terminal and Git through GitHub. That is where Coda 2 and I do not agree. Coda 2 is full of amazing features with a fantastic implementation that is too bloated for my needs. However, that comes down to how you want to use your text editor. For me, TextMate and BBEdit are the only editors I will ever use.
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Stop with the misleading titles, people! I thought this meant you'd somehow make Dropbox run the website for you, which, while a pretty silly idea, would be interesting. But no, it's just a server that pulls files off Dropbox.
You should be attacking Bitcoin itself.

Let's see. Real security people will tell you it's a disaster. Real economists will tell you it's a disaster. What else do you want?
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Humans in the heat of the moment do stupid violent things. I would bet weaponized drones would cause less fatalities than in person officers. Make the decisions completely autonomously by computer and you will probably see even less mistakes. Plus, there is a huge class of crime, the inner city, where police do practically nothing currently. Drones might well stop gang violence.

The possibilities really become clear though internationally. If foreign governments, such as mexico, recruit drones, they might well solve their violence problems pretty quick.
genjix wrote in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81045.msg920554#msg9...

> To the person above, here's what happened:
> - Bitcoinica has an internet mailing list called info@bitcoinica.com
> - It was the email for the website and all sensitive accounts.
> - You could request a password for that email. In a production system, that
> should never be possible.
> - Several people had access to this mailing list (non-admins and business
> people included).
> - Patrick got added.
> - His personal email was compromised. Normally this shouldn't be a big deal; I
> use my personal email at internet cafes and public computers.
> - Attacker was able to request a new password and login to rackspace.
>
> The assumption here was that info@bitcoinica.com did not have access to
> critical infrastructure.
>
> Lastly, it was my fault Patrick's email server got compromised. I had a VPS
> for programming and development which many people had access to - randoms from
> #c++ IRC, people from this forum, beginners I was teaching .etc It's a
> public VPS for development. The SSH key on there was added to Patrick's server
> because we were developing the bitcoinconsultancy.com website on there (that's
> why it's now down). My SSH key was stolen and he ssh'ed into the box.
> Then had access to his emails.

So there you have it: it was one of those damn "Forgot Password" buttons, combined with mishandling email. The security of a server can't be better than the security of the least-secure computer with administrative access, and it looks like in this case, that was spread a little further than it should've been. This attack might've been prevented by introducing a delay: send an email saying that a password reset was requested, with a cancelable reset after several hours. But as far as I know, no one does that.
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What you are saying is correct, in that what happened in this case was kinda gamed to mislead. One reason where I think the calling company stepped the line was, someone else calling him back when he did not return their call.

I would hope that companies do more due diligence when a customer is not calling back. Maybe the customer changed their minds. The problem with telemarketers is that they don't care about what customers are thinking and so someone else went ahead and called him.

What I would prefer is (and this is where I think I don't want to give any inch of room for the sales person) is that they constantly have to be aware of what the customer's latest situation is. I would prefer all telemarketers get trained this way and not intrude. Don't you think this is better?
In my experience (in the software industry), if you micro-manage you are in my way and I will run over you (possibly on my way out the door!)