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Thanks for the response. I realise you probably have huge priorities finding your way to MVP right now, however I hope to see more of this side in the future. I just saw your 'live game editor' video, which is probably closer to what I am thinking of - using the visual element (in that case the game window) to feed back into the live code [this hasn't really been in the lighttable videos - which led me to my assumption lighttable was 'code' based in my prev post]. I really think that the future is in there somewhere.

Best of luck to you by the way :)
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When you are a programmer you always want to improve things. I have little python scripts for common tasks everywhere.

One of the things I have never tried to improve is my email. I check my personal email once a day, and almost never in the weekends. When I see a long email that takes a long time to make a point, I stop reading and go to the next. Some people don't really like it when I do this, but it keeps me sane.

The one time I tried to check my email more often and respond more often the amount of email I got exploded and I decided to stop.

Yesterday I had a discussion with someone about answering email. In which I said "Ten years ago a lot of people didn't even have an email address or a mobile phone and a lot of people didn't want one. Everything went fine without it". Sometimes I make myself feel old :P.

I sometimes think the world would be a better place without email and mobile phones, life would be a lot more relaxed. The only way to deal with them is to not use them as much as possible.
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Every now and then someone hits the jackpot. An easy concept, maybe an app or a small website that makes a ton of money. Or one of those 10 year overnight successes.

Congratulations! Seriously! I'm really happy for you and I hope that it will last you for a long long time to come.

One thing you probably don't want to do is to brag about it in an open forum. The reason why is very simple: A runaway success is what almost every wanna-be business guy is looking for, and you're just out of the gate so you are still vulnerable.

Of course it is fantastic that you want to contribute to the knowledge base and that you want to tell the world exactly how you did it. Which marketing tricks made the difference and why this works and how much it is making.

But really, you're killing your advantage. Copying your concept (or even your website or your binaries) is about a hundred times easier than coming up with the original. You've already validated that it works! And suddenly you find yourself competing with yourself. At a lower price-point (after all, the investment was much lower too). You really can't win that way.

It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and the web and the app stores in particular are brutal when it comes to having any kind of success.

Be a submarine. Stay underwater, rake in the $ and be happy with your success. Loose lips sink ships. At some point you will be able to afford being open but right now, on the eve of your first success it is not the right time. Of course, if you're an altruistic type and you don't care about the money by all means, tell all. But if you have hit a home-run for the first time and you could do with a bit of extra cash then do yourself a favor: count your blessings and STFU.

If you don't I guarantee you that your app or website will be cloned multiple times before the digital ink on your income report is dry.
I believe this advice applies to specific businesses / opportunities (most of them likely B2B).

B2C apps, especially those that rely on network effects to grow (Instapaper, Gumroad, Buffer) would do well to shrug off any concerns about clones, and continue to do what they do best: iterate on product and get more visiblity.

And while Instapaper and Gumroad might not have shared a detailed analysis of their journey in the "How I made $X in Y days on platform Z" format, their ability to succeed is in some ways tied to their perception as a successful business. In Instapaper's case, as a user, I'm building a repository of articles, and I wouldn't invest any effort if I felt the service wouldn't be around in a few months. A similar argument might be made for Gumroad - as a "paywall for everything", it just can't afford to seem small-and-under-the-radar, something that could easily be misconstrued as fly-by-night.
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>> Robert Scoble likes Orchard Supply Hardware

That is not an ad for a hardware store, its an ad for Scoble. Just "like" as much stuff as you can, and people will constantly see your name and are reminded of you for free.
This is a perfect example of why DMCA is great. He manually made a list of site and sent notices. No wrong claims, no automatic bullshit. Now if only there were some laws requiring DMCA to be used that way…

But taking something, making money of it and not even attributing where it's from? That's just the lowest of lows.
There isn't any theft, but it's still violation of the creators right to his work. I've actually been in his place and spent time approaching the sites directly, it was significantly more difficult and more of a waste of my time than the DMCA process seems to be.

Essentially, don't be a dick and lift someones picture because it's on the internet.
This is actually a trend that's slowly getting bigger. It's a varieties of measures, combined to what we in the Netherlands call "The new work" (that's literally, it's more like "the new way of working", but that's less catchy). Also has ideas from the "coworking movement".

Hotdesking by itself definately doesn't work - some employees will value the safety of their own desk. Just hotdesking leads to things like "That's my hotdesk", or people leaving their stuff about. The trick is to combine it with the notion of working where you want when you want. Sales people may be better off with hotdesking at (for instance) Regus facilities. Traffic jams and congestion are huge issues here: compensate employees with public transport passes instead or let them work 10-18. It's a culture change - not a perfect fit for all companies, will be met by resistance, but it is the future I think.
I'm really not sure BingoCardCreator is a good example. Patrick's target demographic is primarily non tech-savvy school teachers (I think).

I imagine he's made very few sales of BCC on the back of his internet fame (how many people on HN are in the market for Bingo Card Creation software?)

His consulting business on the other hand...
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This is a tricky one; you could still market your product without telling the world you're making money.

But what if telling the world you're making money is a great way to market your product?

Even one person knowing about your app (regardless of money) risks someone cloning it, or competition springing up.

If you think you have a chance of staying ahead of the competition (improve UI, improve design, add features, build a community, engage with clients/customers), you should probably shout about your product from the rooftops at every chance you get.
Can't youtube be simple? I don't under why we try to complicate things?
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The ToC is always on the right side for quick access, so the ToC page wouldn't provide much info anyway. </pedantic>
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Agreed on all points, but websites that feature Like buttons or Analytics are complicit in this dubiously ethical behaviour. Webmasters should also be doing more to protect the privacy of their users. Sadly, even the ones that are supposed to be operating within FERPA or HIPAA restrictions in the US ignore this duty.
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>That still doesn't give Quora a right to go round censoring things and deleting her account without her permission. There's no excuse.

Huh? Quora have a rule, she violated it, they deleted her account. That sounds like how it's meant to work.
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You could simply publish those files in a way that we can open with our browsers without having to download the project, and link it in the readme. This would be worth a thousand words :)
The issue unconsidered is that programming is nothing new. It's applicable algebra.

If we consider his idea in the realms of mathematics, amateurs and experts still only/mostly use a pencil, graph paper and their minds.

A keyboard and mouse is more than enough to code.
Can people name examples of this actually happening?

I can see it both ways. My instinct would be to stay below the radar as long as I could. But I do see advantages in publicizing success:
1. Large and rising revenue signals desirability to other customers / clients, and thus works as marketing.
2. Known success stories can more easily recruit talent.
3. Can't be bought out at crazy premium from stealth mode.

Looking through some cases would help sort it all out.
Recently i saw this phenomenon on HN becoming really popular and obvious:
Someone posts a popular story on HN like the one today where the Dropzone OSX App made 8k$ in one day. A good story with valuable information.

Shortly after we see 1-2 popular posts that adress the same story and usually use an attention grabbing headline that relates to the original post and rant about it.

I dont really like this, HN shouldnt become a marketing vehicle for opportunistic bloggers...
Me too. I also hit the back button since I didn't want to watch a video. Would have been good enough with a link to some textual explanation and images.
During app install:

"Cobook automatically synchronises contacts with OSX standard Address Book. Updates in Cobook are instantly reflected in OSX Address Book and vice versa.

Privacy is important. Cobook stores all your data and settings locally on your computer. Only you have access to your contact data."

Thank you. This really should be on the website somewhere too. The only reason I downloaded your app at all was that your last blog post mentioned that you don't collect data. I'm usually very cautious about things that involve messing with my email, contacts or calendars.

Also, I didn't watch the video so felt as though I was forced to go hunting for more info on the site. You say you A/B tested but did you also test a version with video and text on the front page? I'd be surprised if video alone performed better.

Edit: Now watched the video (having dug out my headphones so I don't disturb co-workers). It actually does do a good job of describing the problem and how the product works. Looking forward to trying this out.
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Some example code/tutorials/howto or common use cases would be really useful to understand what your project is used for...
And saying it is an example in itself, clearly isn't helping us understand it.
Who needs it? Why is it useful? What are the features? A screen system is about as descriptive as a 'javascript framework'.
What is not explain in the post is how do we prove to be the author of a photo ?
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The Be Nice rule is the most ambiguous rule on the planet. Interpret it as you wish.

And no, they're not supposed to delete your account after you're banned. That's out of place, not their protocol.
That's a very valid point... thanks
> You end up having to declare 40 exceptions that you might throw. And once you aggregate that with another subsystem you've got 80 exceptions in your throws clause. It just balloons out of control.

What he completely ignores is the possibility to wrap exceptions to either aggregate them or to convert them into unchecked exceptions.
Ummm... it would help if you would first explain what a 'screen' is. The word is heavily overloaded.
You heavily under estimate the network effect.
If that was true, terrible sites like eBay and Craigslist would have been replaced a long, long time ago.
specially ebay which is hated among even it's most loyal sellers refuse to leave ebay, because they have buyers. The network effect is even stronger with Facebook. I highly doubt that we are going to see another social network get 900 million users anytime soon.
That's what it sounded like. For lashing out at you for lashing out at him, I apologize.
Thanks! Fixed now (at least I hope it's fixed, this was rather more traffic than anticipated).
It is a cost/benefit like anything else. Imagine a market where a position must be held for at least one week.

Sure, there is some efficiency in capital allocation lost but how much of a cost is that really? As I understand it its a loss inasmuch as daily stock price fluctuations reflect the actual underlying of a company: not much.

What do you have on the benefit side? For one thing, you won't have the flood of people betting on whether or not Facebook will "pop."
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I have contacted Facebook about that image, but I suspect they are too busy rolling in their new found wealth to give it much attention.
Same thing here. From the screenshots and description I assume this is a fine product, into which went a decent chunk of work.

But the product video is really not telling anything about the software at all - it is merely projecting a cool and hip lifestyle.

Give me an impression on what it feels like to use your software, not how cool I can look...

EDIT: Reminds me of the Yahoo! Axis Ad where the dude is punching and destroying websites. Complete separation between the content of the ad and the product.
Sounds like an affirmative claim, can you prove that? ;)
Attributes? Why not just

throw new RuntimeException(exception);

Edit: If there weren't exceptions for every mundane thing I think I would prefer no checked exceptions also.
Yeah. JS might help in this regard, but I guess I am hoping for an system where there isn't the same divide between coding environment and platform being coded for. If you could build excel (or similar) _within_ lighttable - and still allow all sorts of live code testing - that would be a real leap to me.
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That's all the more reason to put the date there. It signals an article that is relevant today despite being almost ten years old. The argument is considerably more impressive when you realize that it happened ten years ago and is still relevant, but I didn't know it was a timeless classic until I saw this comment thread.
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This is a good idea in my opinion.
Lets say I'm having a party, launching a an app, selling something..ect. I think people would pay $1-$5 to use that feature.
Asking people who are used to getting free business advice whether they think not sharing free business advice that works is a good idea, is not a good idea. Hence the comments here.

I think STFU is brilliant advice and I do it myself. A metaphor:

In 1866 a young shepherd named Erasmus Jacobs found a small white stone on the bank of the Orange River in South Africa. It turned out to be a 21 carat diamond which they named "Eureka" and it kicked off a diamond rush in the area that centered around Colesberg Kopje. Turns out that this little hill was an old volcanic pipe filled with diamonds and every prospector for thousands of miles descended on the place and started digging.

Here's what it looked like:

http://historyproject.ucdavis.edu/marchandslides.bak/brantle...

Every prospector had their own pulley and own demarcated area they were allowed to dig.

So if you were digging in, what is today called Kimberly's big hole, and started finding way more diamonds than anyone else, what would you do? Start giving everyone around you advice about how and where they should dig?

Sadly, business is largely a zero-sum game because customers and their money that we compete for are finite.
This is the business model of the openly "rich" affiliate marketers. Make some money through affiliate marketing and then make orders of magnitude more by selling the idea to people in ebooks and courses.
Nice, the quick open now searches the whole file path. This was much needed!

Before when i looked for "__init__.py" I got them all, now I can do "api __ini" and I've got the right one.

Also loving the git support. After a first half hour, I am impressed. Everything I wanted in Coda2 seems to be here, and the polish is what we've come to expect from Panic.
I didn't see the talk, but comparing git to SVN is like comparing vim to eclipse.

They are two tools to do different (even if similar in some ways) task.

So I don't need reasons of why SVN sucks if I have no problem with SVN and I'm not doing distributed develompent.

Just my 2 cents
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Oops, must have seen him at a tech talk or something and didn't realize he was a guest.
I've had my popular mobile application almost exactly cloned.

Ouch, bad luck! But was this after you published an article or two talking about your success, or was it cloned independently?
His internet fame might drive links to BCC, which in turn could improve his SEO, which could lead to more sales.
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It reminds me more of C, where labels and goto are often used for error handling (labels using the same `:` syntax).
Guess what: The fact that it is a good story with valuable information is exactly the problem here. Let's give it a week or so before you can say with any degree of certainty that this is not called for. I'm pretty sure someone somewhere right now is making a 'clone' of that particular app and for once the app store review backlog is helping instead of hindering.

I know a lot of HN users 'out-of-band' and we have seen this phenomenon several times now. Not everybody that visits HN does so with good intentions, there are enough sharks here that you need to weigh the pros and cons of this kind of openness. If there is no gain for you then you have to wonder if being open is the right way to go.
Well, think about it this way. How many people as a result of his great advice and transparency have mentioned / linked to his site?

- That alone ensures he will rank top of Google for any Bingo Card Creation based key words.

- Then there's word of mouth from anyone who has ever read one of his articles to anyone who may benefit from using his software.
Heh, no worries. It's just Sayre's law - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayres_law
Update: Zack is kind to keep the files for download. I am seeing it now. Thanks everyone.
If you have it , sure.

Of course this causes a class divide between:

A) People who are paid to contribute to open source (either as part of their job or in some cases their whole job) and therefor have many commits.

B) People who write a little open source code on the weekends.

C) People who already work 60-80 hour weeks on proprietary/in house software and have other commitments for the rest of their time.

Also the "you need to contribute to open source to get a new job" thing has a perverse incentive for companies. If they know that having you contributing to open source makes it easier for you to either leave or demand a higher salary (because it is easier for you to get hired elsewhere). It is then in their interests to stop you doing it whenever possible.
It's too difficult to view the twitter profiles: Since I couldn't find links to them on the job listing I had to remember the name and go to twitter.com/..

Guess you don't want too many links to off-site?
On top of that, experts use linux as their OS. The average consumer doesn't know it exists.
Because the application was successful it did receive a bit of press. I didn't actually ever directly talk about how much money I was making, or how many downloads I had, but I'm sure most could have made a decent educated guess at both based on App Store ranking and the press coverage.
I don't think "commercial" requires you to "make money" from the use. I think using the photo as an illustration on your business website qualifies as "commercial" even if you can't show that it brought you any business. (Of course, IANAL.)
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> Are you really advocating that the model for sustaining/growing good business is to keep shctum about it and hope your competitors don't notice?

No, that was not what I was advocating.
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