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I don't actually care that much about compilers - as others have mentioned, there are several options out there. I also am not particularly concerned about updated C++ feature support - the reality is that there are still a ton of really terrible windows developers out there who aren't familiar with the windows application model, security models, best practices, and have no idea how servicing works.

When people start complaining about not having functors, or some other language feature, I tend to get a little irritated, because this is not the big problem with software development on Windows.

If someone doesn't want to use VS2008 Express, I will note that there is always WDK, which last I checked shipped with cl.exe, and will almost certainly continue to do so.
There is nothing to fix. Different customers pay different prices. There is no way around that.
Looks like a bunch of accountants and wannabe bankers bought some developing books and start to "invest" in BitCoin. They are missing the basics.
Both are excellent frameworks.

I have done both Django and Rails.

There are 100's of better frameworks out there, have mastery in a particular language - Python/Ruby/Javascript. Everything else is secondary.

For someone who has done both rails and Django - my experience was - Python projects have excellent Documentation. Esp Django - one of the best I've seen. To learn I would suggest Django. And later move fast to whatever.
I'm not sure Heinlein was necessarily his own model of a man, nor was it necessarily within his domain to be one due to the fact that he suffered from health issues for pretty much all of his adult life. But he did do more than just write, which the Wikipedia page discusses some of [1], and there's definitely some other stuff that I know he did that does not show up there. For instance, in Expanded Universe there's a rather lengthy travelogue about a trip to the USSR, with what were at the time penetrating insights past the propaganda screen that would have been considered controversial at the time, and we now know to have been true. (There's a lot of lessons in that bit applicable to the world we live in today, albeit not necessarily the same bits of the world, but I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.)

I'd also personally question whether Heinlein really "really" believed that quote, or if it was an idealized version of an ideal, to coin a phrase.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Heinlein
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It's the combination of the two I think. (Not to mention the comparative capabilities of the two systems.. there is a reason the Delta's are not servicing the ISS right now)
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They don't have to ask for fake reviews. They just have to say "Hey our cool new app dropped into AppStore today. Check it out and review it if you like it." Yahooers might genuinely like it and give it a high score.
There's an exception (or five) for every rule; I think startups should be distrustful of one-size-fits-all business models. It's all about defining and managing your customer relationships.

Of course, one noteworthy truth is that Panic had/has existing income streams that allow them to take their sweet time pursuing perfection. The majority of startups have a fixed quantity of runway, making MVP the better choice by default.
Not at all. These sites that are being repeatedly compromised and yet positioned as "the market" for Bitcoin are, for all intents and purposes, the currency. Compare to USD: banks, exchanges, conversion, speculation. Without them, USD is just me handing someone else some paper, and Bitcoin is just as useless without the "market" as defined by a few hobbyist Web devs, in this case.

Think about it. I can send a Bitcoin address some Bitcoins, which is equivalent to me handing someone else some cash. Anywhere you want to go from there requires an external market, and that includes:

- Accepting Bitcoins online
- Converting to Bitcoins
- Speculating with Bitcoins

ALL of those things are a "secondary market" which, in turn, increase the value of the currency. Traditional currencies have extensive support structures built around them, and those structures are heavily regulated to avoid this exact scenario. So far, Bitcoin has some hobby Web sites without any real consequences for fucking up.
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This seems to be the... 4th problem bitcoinica has had? 5th? Maybe event the 6th, why do people still use this site? Surely it has been shown on multiple occasions they can't be trusted with security.
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Ended up watching it, and at the end they said that doozer solves a problem that they don't currently have. He really didn't go into why. Maybe because it was a heroku project he didn't want to talk bad about it? No idea.

Interesting talk by the way.
Are authoritative answers like those still being posted on Y! Answers these days though? Craig's answer was from 6 years ago.
Awesome! That's so unusual
MSFT does.
The quote is from "Time Enough for Love", not "I Will Fear No Evil" :)
Imagine putting your money in a bank where every day, hundreds of burglars attempt to anonymously get in and steal money that cannot be traced back to you for you to recover it.

Sounds like a great place to put money in.
smalltalk is the Anglican Church. Historically important, but nobody really believes in it anymore.

If javascript is lisp with C's trappings, then the religious equivalent of javascript is obviously Bahai.
Bitcoin is the currency for people who've read John Locke but not Thomas Hobbes.
How did FB employees lose in this? They likely have a run out before they can sell- it doesn't really matter what the IPO was at, the share price would've settled to the same point regardless.
They're not necessarily accountants and business school dropouts. Never underestimate the incompetence of the average IT worker.
Bitcoin has a lot of problems, but this one confuses me. People steal real money all the time; it's one of the things that makes it real money.
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I could point out several fallacies in your post. The most obvious one is that some very, very smart people (including at least one professional Linux kernel hacker) are doing a good job working on the official bitcoin client, so it's not true that the only people working on Bitcoin stuff are Rails users.

But what's the point in pointing out this and other fallacies in your post when you already stated that I am misled and that you're not willing to listen to me?

This kind of comment does not belong on HN. I don't care if you're PG, I would still say the same thing.

EDIT: Also, I really strong resent that you're trying to stop me from doing what I want with my time and money, which is what you're doing when you insist that bitcoin needs to be regulated. You have no right to tell me how to spend my money. Fuck off, man.

EDIT AGAIN: OP edited his comment after reading this comment, so this comment probably looks too harsh (but it wasn't originally).
I don't know if you're making a subtle reference, or happened upon that irony by accident. But in either case, that is the topic of another of Heinlein's more famous works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/—All_You_Zombies—
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I'd like to think that this was some sort of nefarious action from an old-guard finance company who was threatened by Bitcoin enough to resort to the enlistment of some hackers.

In reality, this was plain amateur security practice, and if this sort of sloppiness continues, the bitcoin brand will be trampled so badly it will never get off the ground.
I'd do that, except work bought and paid for my current phone, so I'm stuck with an iPhone for now. I've been too lame to even jailbreak it because of that.
Do there need to be shades of grey when we're talking about weaponizing drones? This just shouldn't happen. What's not useful is creating rhetorical space in which the acceptability of this technology is debatable.

The fact is, we need to scale down the militarization of police across the board, not debate how quickly or in what form advanced military technology should be given to the police.
I'm not sure I have any sympathy even if NASDAQ had trading issues- do they actually guarantee trades go through and you're informed within a certain period of time? From what I've seen and read, it boils down to a bunch of people claiming they lost out because the price didn't balloon on the first day of trading. Yet, you know, it's still down >15% in the week after that. How can anyone that bought last Friday possibly claim they got screwed in this matter? Unless NASDAQ has terms that say that future trades can be guaranteed, I don't see any legitimate beef here.
By "Bitcoin stuff", I mean the secondary markets that have arisen around it. That was probably a poor choice of phrase, and I'll update accordingly. I agree that Bitcoin itself is probably cryptographically strong and mostly well-designed.

To respond to your edit, regulation does not tell you how to spend your money. Regulation ensures that the systems accepting your money are designed against and proactively secured against failures such as this one, so you don't lose. FDIC insurance at your bank is an example of regulation designed to protect you. I have no interest in telling you how to spend your money; I do have an interest in the systems processing that money being reliable and safe.

I will ignore the rest of your needless incendiary comment, as it has no place on HN. You also don't need to inform everyone that I've edited my comment, as I did that for you at the base of it.
Honest question....which IDE setup do you use?
This incident was a bank robbery. Cash has the same problem.

It's not like the thief subverted a flaw in bitcoin security. He ruined a crappy centralized service built on top of a decentralized system.
What problem does bitcoin solve? I've tried to understand the need for it, but just don't get it.
I hear what you are saying: make quality, complete products.

However, a minimum viable product basically means 'ship something and iterate towards complete.

Considering how many products I have worked on that no one ultimately wanted, you need to prove there is a need for your product BEFORE spending man-years on it.

Even if you understand the problem, putting a simple solution in front of your clients will teach you a lot.

Then two years later, you might be approaching something complete, but with confidence that there really is a market.
Their database was deleted and their site has been replaced with a form asking former users how much money they remember having.

I doubt very much that anyone is still using the site.
People pick favorites, perhaps at some point in our evolution it aided our survival, but whether its companies, sports teams, sushi restaurants, or even countries people seem to naturally form a we-them relationship. Marketeers exploit that as 'brand loyalty' and it works. Yahoo has had a lot of damage done to its brand through a series of missteps that will take time to heal.

That said, Axis is an interesting strategy for them. I don't know how it will work out but its clear they they are not going to go willingly into receivership. So in that regard I cheer them on, some of the best inventions come out of desperation and it is soooooo much easier to ship something untried in a desperate company than it is in a market leading company.
How do you suggest he find out who to sue without expressing interest in their product? It's really the company who is abusing the law by not disclosing who they are to avoid retaliation.
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One of my favourite HN comments ever.
I love when two people claim each other's post has no place on HN.
Sounds Zen.
I think this is awesome. We'll see technological evolution in its truest and rawest form happen at light speed. With every mistake and error comes a fix.

When someone crashed into the highway-wall when you are getting off the highway on a ramp the first time, they learned they needed to put barrels filled with water to cushion the impact.

I can't wait to see what awesome, hardened code comes out of this. :D
More like a bank designed with an overly weak vault, because nobody at the bank spent a lot of time designing a very secure vault.
All the paranoia that feeds goldbugs? Take that, and mix it with a total, naked vulnerability to 2-bit hackers.

Seriously, if you hate modern currencies, buy gold or silver or 20 year old scotch, hide it away...problem solved. Bitcoin was nonsense from conception.
Your parenthetical is just wrong. The setup for a new virtualenv requires access to the internet, iff you choose not to a) bundle the packages in a libs dir or b) have a locally hosted mirror of pypi or c) have the libs in your system packages already or d) a dozen other things.

Of course this is true for setting up any development environment. You have to get the dev environment from somewhere at some point to bootstrap the process.

Your entire parentheical screams FUD, and obviously disingenuous FUD at that.
I hope people stop making services like this. Bitcoin is distributed for a reason
I claimed his incendiary language has no place on HN, as one of the guidelines is to be civil. I did not claim his post has no place on HN. It's also just good manners to not flame someone to death for attacking something you hold dear. Be objective, and reasonable.
Everybody fucks up their backups at least once. Of course most of us don't keep money on our servers...
That sounds creepy. As if emotions are some kind of enemy to keep in check, rather than the substance of life.
* the government doesn't give me an inflation-protected savings account*

They got you covered. They are called "Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities". T-Bills that are inflation adjusted.
"Innovate quickly and break things" is a strategy for social networks and games, not financial platforms nor life support systems. I hate that on one hand, we have people saying "Bitcoin is a totally real currency" and accepting payments, and on the other we have sites falling like flies to vulnerabilities and the defense being "we're just learning".
The bug affects application dealing with large integers which can be seen as a valid pointer within the program's address space. So, this will affect your app if it deals with large ints.

There is also work underway to make the GC more precise which will avoid this problem in future.
From HN thread announcing Bitcoinica's launch, some months ago (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2973301):

"I'm going to pitch a different take than a few others: Yes, great initiative, please keep trying things and building things, but end this project now. There are no probable outcomes where you do not end up having to explain where thousands of dollars of other people's money went to some angry people. There's also very nontrivial odds of being on the wrong end of armed Federal agents, based on some of the other comments you've made here. This is a horrible, horrible first-project sort of project."

"Doing your best probably isn't enough. To have any hope you'll have to hire expensive security people and buy lots of insurance.

All you need in order to be exploited is to be using software with 0day exploits. Many known exploits are not public. In a very real sense, you are only protected to the extent that you are a small target.

As the potential payoff of a hacker approaches $1 million, the likelihood of being hacked approaches 90%. Software really is THAT insecure and bitcoin thefts are not prosecuted making it basically risk-free to steal bitcoins."

"-- spectacular failure is your destiny if you don't work very hard to prevent it

-- spectacular failure may be your destiny even if you do work very hard to prevent it"
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That's pretty cool. Actually my friend implemented a feature on his home phone (he is old school) that had a recording answering the phone and it said, if you are human press "8". If they did then the actual phone would ring, otherwise I guess I just hung up or just kept them on the line. So he screened all the pre-recorded crap.
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Exactly. There should be no debate about whether these weapons can be lethal. The debate should be about whether there should be civilian drones at all, and why the hell they need weapons mounted to them.
This isn't so much a problem with Bitcoin as much as it's a problem with under-qualified people trying to set up "banks" online.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find a peripheral tool that you can't confidently be productive in after a few hours to a few days.

The list of buzzwords isn't so much evidence that you need to be proficient in a lot of random tools as it's evidence that you should feel unattached and comfortable learning new tools if you want to participate in the web space.
Protecting physical gold is just as hard a problem. Placing the gold inside a steel and concrete Box where only one person can open it still isn't secure. The problem is that without laws to punish people who steal, they will eventually break all of your security layers.

Perhaps we can design a new currency that goes back to basics. Money is just a contract between two humans, goods or services now are traded for claims on future human labor. Instead of using numbers or possession of objects, use something that can't be stolen. A system that streamlines the ancient bartering system. Trade you 100 gallons of milk for a new transmission. But instead of holding money, you perform the transaction real time. Instead of being paid in money, you get paid in receipts for goods/services performed which can be traded.
I am not in any way defending, friend. Rather, I agree with you - the "innovate ... " strategy should not be in financial nor life support systems. It's unfortunate we're still bailing banks out today, and re-deciding what's good and bad for our health/medicine/etc.

With that said, once a mistake is made, we can't turn back time. I love watching society get stronger and stronger. If you think about it, it's our ability to pass on and learn from our mistakes that has helped us get here today. Otherwise, who knows, we might not even have had agriculture yet.

(Which also could be good or could be bad. For example, I'm allergic to gluten -__- )

Either way, I'll end with this quick story:

http://www.conures.net/stories/horse.shtml

(note: this is a shortened version and the story could go on forever).
I feel like HN often upvotes the most contrarian comment by default (assuming it's well argued)

so does the rest of the world, unfortunately.
No fucking kidding. This, the Mtgox hack (and insecure storage of passwords) is amateurish idiotic nonsense.
Bitcoin is very alive and kickin right now. The bitter truth is Bitcoin is now the de facto standard method of payment for all kinds of shady, criminal & laundering services on the net. What you got is a lawless currency, with no regulations what so ever, and no (assumed * ) oversight of trade. There so much hacking, fraud and insider scams going on, that trusting an online wallet like Bitconica is just waiting for your money to be stolen. Very hostile environment. No, this is not like "real money" at all, but it still holds value.

* it is assumed gov. institutions are monitoring large transactions now
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There is no bitcoin market because some of the trading platforms that also work as banks have a hard timing doing a good job?

Pssh, what a lame argument.
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Care to refute it in any way, or are you just going to post pointless noise?
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It's already well and truly off the ground.
Here are some features that make it appealing.

(1) Fixed total supply, so it can't be manipulated by central banks.

(2) Fast online transactions (e.g. Paypal, without the problems of Paypal); ease of developing all kind of Web services around this.

(3) Anonymous transactions are possible, which can be beneficial in many ways (for example, not getting taxed...)
It's a real currency market, it's just at the Bonnie and Clyde stage of its evolution. Consider how lax bank security was in the 1930s that a single couple could rob banks for years with a fraction of the sophistication of modern day bank robbers.

You couldn't get away with it today, not for that long, but it was possible with "real" money, "real" banks, all government backed, at one time. And that had centralization and identity built into it. The bitcoin community isn't big enough to have serious security professionals yet, but that doesn't disqualify it as a currency market.
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They run them during specific fund-raising drives.

You can also see them on peoples personal MyBO pages.
Which is why my comment has said, from the beginning, "as it stands today". Those interested in Bitcoin should seriously learn from those very mistakes that you're discussing, rather than re-learning them all over again.
Anonymous cash on the internet. Nobody knows who owns each bitcoin account so you can do all sorts of things you could not otherwise. It's very similar to (for example) Pecunix, although unlike Pecunix it's not backed by gold and it's distributed which makes it hard to take down. Anything black or greymarket is suitable for bitcoin.

100% legitimate uses? Well you could use it instead of Paypal and save a couple of bucks in fees but it's a lot harder than just using Paypal and there's no recourse if something goes wrong.
The US Dollar sucks because we had to bail out banks. NASDAQ sucks because they fumbled on Facebook's IPO. What other drawn out doomsday conclusions do I need to make?
The "real" banks need to increase their securities too, but luckily with every mistake like this:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2079431/citibank-ha...

They get stronger.
My problem was that you specifically said that all supports of Bitcoin who comment in response to your comment, are automatically wrong.

Which is kind of ridiculous, given that my response prompted you to correct something you had said.

I don't know what incendiary language you're talking about except maybe "Fuck off, man" which is tit for tat when you are advocating making something I've put money into, which is also completely harmless, illegal. I'll probably regret saying that, but that doesn't mean it wasn't deserved.