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I installed ChromeOS on my old VAIO recently. It is definitely not bad in the sense that things it cannot do don't fall in the 99%. I would be happier if Google manages to bring the Play store and run android apps on it. Anything I could imagine the machine couldn't do, there's an app on Android that does it.

If this could run Android apps too, $329 would appear to be a bargain.
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You don't strictly "download" or "install" web apps, Chrome's "installed" apps are glorified shortcuts. There is a Chrome store full of web apps. However, thanks the HTML5 and app caching, these applications will work offline.
I htink the word you are looking for isn't actually "primative", but expressiveness.

A prototypical inheritance model can express a larger range of constructs than a class based inheritance model can, and this is normally called expressiveness. Its actually difficult to say which one is more "primative" (by your definition of primative), because they are actually both on a similar layer.
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I see nothing here worth paying an order of magnitude more money for.

Simplicity? I am very much willing to pay for a simple device that requires close to no support and maintenance. And I’m sure this is quite a common sentiment among people who have to service their relatives’ computers – huge, complex machines used mostly just to browse the web.
Small businesses (think store clerk, hotel lobby), for instance.

Alternatively as a mediacenter or server. I've used an Acer Revo for exactly this for the past two years now. The low power consumption maked it great for at-home development and hosting in my case.
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>Edit: Why the downvotes? Is it forbidden to criticize Google here? Or is it just Google employees? Care to reply instead?

I think you have been downvoted _because_ you made a good point and the Google fanboys armed with downmods want to bury the comment. Unfortunate trend on HN here.
I assume that was his point. However it is not a given that running is "very detrimental to your health"; in fact that's a pretty bold claim to make without any evidence or indeed consideration of the health benefits. It's true that knee problems are a concern for some runners (and indeed participants in many other sports), and something frequent runners should be wary of.
They are both based on same sandybridge architecture, i5-2415M has 3MB L2 versus celeron B840's 2MB. i5 also has 4 threads.

So Clock frequency IS the main differentiator here, 1.9Ghz vs 2.3-2.9Ghz (with turbo), which probably corresponds to 30% to 60% difference in general.

Specs of both processors:

Celeron B840:
http://ark.intel.com/products/59801/Intel-Celeron-Processor-...

i5-2415M:
http://ark.intel.com/products/53449/Intel-Core-i5-2415M-Proc...
Actually, there are only a handful of games that can really take advantage of lots of cores. Virtually everything will be faster on a higher clocked dual core than a lower clocked quad (both with HT).

There are reasonably priced 16 core AMD chips, and 8 core Intel chips (with HT, they'll actually be faster). I don't think there's much of a market for people who need lots of cores, but are unwilling to build a workstation, since the form factors are the same.
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Google has a huge revenue generating machine in search, and adwords. This allows them the opportunity to spend massive amounts of money on a lot of projects that will mostly fail. They're hoping, at some point, one or more of these projects will turn profitable. But they're burning millions doing it.

The problem with this approach is that they end up neglecting their core search product, which I don't think has evolved much in the past decade. If someone else comes along and disrupts search, its goodbye Google.
Eventually there's going to have to be some merger. I think it could be Chrome OS becoming a variant of Android, considering there's now Chrome for Android.

That said, personally, I'd rather see Chrome OS on phones and tablets, and Android die off, since Chrome OS is the most web-first platform out there.
> In order to qualify for the Windows Logo, OEMs are REQUIRED by Microsoft to give the user the ability to turn it off or add their own keys. As such, UEFI software will have this feature anyway, so I seriously doubt any OEM would not do that, since they aren't saving anything and only the tech savvy will mess with the settings anyway.

On x86, for now.

Don't forget that the exact opposite is required on ARM. And there's no reason why Microsoft can't change the requirements for Windows 9 (when it will be harder to do something about the situation because Microsoft's keys will be widely used).
I find it amusing that so much anti-Fox News stuff gets posted, because they are the secondary target market, and they're just doing exactly what Fox wants them to do.

Fox trolls, Reddit gets offended, posts links. It's not like any of the Fox hosts believe what they're saying - They just say more and more absurd things until they get a reaction. It's on the same level as those "Alien woman gives birth to Werebaby" tabloids. The crazy people who watch it only feel legitimised if someone engages them in a serious argument about whether Werebabies even exist.
I can't believe no one has mentioned GWT in this whole thread.
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I used the Chromebook I got from Google I/O for a while. You have to understand that it's not designed to be a hacker's computer or even really a consumer device. It's designed to be a cheap, low-maintenance terminal for generic business computing. This is the new 3270.

I actually think it's a pretty good product for that purpose. The economics are compelling if you maintain hundreds of desktops. Instead of PC + Windows + Office + McAffee + a large desktop support organization, you just have ChromeOS devices and Google Apps. It's not sexy but 99% of the employees at the DMV don't need sexy, they just need to run a handful of basic apps.
By your own metric, yours is the most useless comment in this thread.

To make mine better, I leave you with this very relevant gem from 10 years ago.

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It smells like Bell Labs. Where do Ken Thompson and Rob Pike work these days? ;-)
See the spec links I posted above, Graphics technologies are also similar. Seems like Intel disabled some extras on Celeron's GPU.
Not _quite_ true.

At the very least - theres _lot_ more RAM on board the Chrome Box, theres a "16G hard drive" (presumably ssd/flash?), there 6 usb ports, there's a power supply built in, bluetooth onboard, and there's a nice (enough) case wrapping it all up.

For _some_ people that's not worth ~$280, but there's not very many "general public" who're planning on plugging a RaspberryPi into their TV as part of their home entertainment system.
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I am in the same situation. Two kids, 3 and 1, one more on the way. I had to start taking a long lunch to go to the gym. Thankfully I have the flexibility to work a little extra in the evening after the kids are asleep. I find it a lot harder to tear myself away from the desk in the middle of the day and go work out.
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Looks a lot like https://gumroad.com to me, but without the need to have a credit card.
I have no idea. Why would a business buy something like that? Please elaborate.
i thought that was resolved - there isn't any information loss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_information_paradox
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>mandate that OEMS allow users to load their own certificates into their own UEFI, possibly with a self-signing process that allows that motherboard, and only that motherboard, to boot a given user-signed image, with self-signing only possible from within the UEFI UI, so OS-level malware can't generate valid certificates.

Do you realize that Microsoft has done exactly that? There's so much hot air here that facts are getting lost in the blind raging and hating.

Of course, they cannot dictate to OEMs because of the antitrust lawsuits, but it's a requirement if they want the PC to be Windows Certified and carry the Windows sticker.
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I have been playing Jeff Vogel's games since Exile 3. Its great how the rise of indie, Steam and Apple's stores have really improved his outlook. I started programming because I wanted to make games like his.

The content is in the comments. Most interesting is his experience in the market:

"Google Play has done pretty poorly for us. Amazon App Store has generated a decent amount of sales in the first 10 days, more than Google Play. (Yes, this is why I strongly advise not sticking with Google Play.)
Total Android sales are still a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of what we've done on the iPad. Whatever the many good points of Android for users, it's not been good for us as developers."
I'm a bit shaky about my history, but I thought that conversos (Jews who converted to Christianity rather than be expelled) were prohibited from going to the New World. Their grandchildren were allowed, but always viewed with suspicion.

According to http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/677-jews-in-mexico-a-stru..., "The inquisition had not yet come to Nueva Espagna and the new arrivals soon married into prominent Mexican families, became priests and bishops and enjoyed a 40 year period during which time, many began to practice Judaism openly. ... By 1571 the Inquisition had arrived in the New World and again both practicing Jews and Conversos were under religious threat."

So it looks like conversos were able to migrate (at least early on), some, once the pressure of the Inquisition was removed, returned to their original faith, but a few decades later all that was banned.

In any case, and to emphasize mho's comment, this only indicates that "someone of Ashkenazi origin had sex over there." That person could easily have been a practicing Catholic, and not a Jew.
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You're likely being downvoted because your criticism shows no understanding of the market segment this product is aimed at.
A better comparison is going to be if you bike 7 minutes vs running 7 minutes.
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Of course, a sample taken from the Earth's surface would provide a widely different result (ranging ~0% to ~100%) depending on where it was taken.
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I find this (and the other comment referencing the volumes of hypercubes) to be interesting. Perhaps exactly because it is so unintuitive. Maybe I could reason it up myself, but what exactly do you see as the "volume" of the inner portion and the "volume" of the shell? Are we talking about the same units here? Are there generic formulae?
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Google's Chromebox page states:
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One by Microsoft for everyone, including themselves. Not respecting standards is just retarded on too many levels.

EDIT: Unless, of course, they have a private internal standard...
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As far as I can every cpu is labeled mobile or ultra mobile except for one (which also has has a significantly lower TDP compared to the quad cores).
Sun was shipping 8-core processors with 8 hardware threads per core in 2005.

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One of the fittest guys I know, works out and runs several miles every morning, has terrible wrist pain. I know 3 other similar people at my current job.

I don't think your lack of pain has anything to do with your working out. More likely luck, genetics, or lack of other activities that would lead to pain.
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It can be much, much more accurate than that if needed.

In 1960s America had spy satellites that dropped canisters with photo film, that were captured mid-air by planes.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(satellite)#Discoverer
If this box really is a secure, maintenance free computer, I see a lots of places where it could shine: elementary schools, small business, info kiosks, libraries, my parents ;-)
>And there's no reason why Microsoft can't change the requirements for Windows 9

First of all, the requirements are only recommendations in order for the OEMs to slap a Windows sticker on it. They can't require or not require anything of the OEMs, because they're legally barred from doing so.

They could do anything for Windows 9, if they last that long in the Post-PC era. It's a moot point.

And ARM is a red herring, it's a totally new platform and MS could be subsidizing the hardware and/or OS license fees in exchange for App Store revenue (like Kindle Fire), so they lose out if the user swaps the OS. Why is ARM such a big issue when there are about 200 different kinds of Android ARM tablets out there that you can install Ubuntu on?
amazing because I wrote something similar few weeks ago. It's based on Backbone though. github.com/neebz/backbone-parse
The Celeron they're using is basically a low-end Sandy Bridge processor, and Intel markets most Sandy Bridge processors under the Core brand. It's not really anemic, either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Celeron_microproc...
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I used a Chromebook (Samsung Series 5) for an entire academic year as a student. The biggest benefits were having everything synced in the cloud (so you're not too attached to it), extreme portability (super thin and super light, instant on is fantastic) and ~10 hours of battery life. I charged the thing about once a week!

However, I question who would get a Chromebox though, because the portability + battery life + instant on are no longer relevant in this case, and those were by far the biggest benefits for the Chromebook. For a little more (~400), you could get a very respectable machine running a more powerful OS.

Some general thoughts on my experiences with the Chromebook:
As a general computing device, I thought it was more or less completely sufficient. I used it to take notes (google docs / evernote) in class and it was awesome for that (light and portable).

With more than 7-8 tabs, things can get slightly sluggish (read: not instantaneous). Running more than 15 or so and you start getting serious performance issues. This is less of a problem than I thought because it forces me to maintain focus (I regularly can have >100 tabs when using my desktop). Full screen 1080p video also was sluggish.

It has a shell, so you can SSH and code also.

Frequently less technical friends would ask "but ... it only runs chrome?" to which I respond "well what can you not do in chrome?" and they have a very hard time giving an example. With gmail / calendar / docs / evernote / your music web app service of choice / etc, almost everything can be done in the browser.

To be fair, I also use a powerful desktop for more intense tasks (photo editing, coding, and occasional gaming). I doubt I would use the chromebook/box as my primary computer.
The "built-in antivirus" probably has something to do with how heavily sandboxed Chrome is and Google's own virus detection for websites.
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Well, they were a tad bit hostile and didn't think they had done anything wrong. I went to different dealership because the belt tensioner broke while my brother was driving and we got it hauled over to the closest dealership (at this point why not take a chance). They fixed the belt and the damage caused. I was not a happy camper and mentioned the brakes. I had a bit of trouble believing the original dealership's claim that anti-lock brakes are meant to sound like a sledgehammer. The new dealership fixed the breaks (it was a "fixed" recall on my car) for no money. They did ask why I didn't take it to the original dealership and that got some giggles.

When GM shutdown a chunk of their dealerships they got to stay open, but the one with a much better service department closed. One had connections, one didn't.
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> plug in TV

Just a quick note: The biggest piece of feedback I got from a journo friend of mine who just reviewed this chromebox is actually that out of the box it won't do HDMI or VGA (without buying an adapter separately that is), which seemed odd to me (and to him) given being easy to connect to a TV seems like a big use case for the chromebox.

edit: In case anyone wants to see his hands-on piece, it's at http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-mac-desktops/sams...
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That's exactly the sort of thing I'm thinking.
Oh, so this is what happened to NCombinator. I initially thought this was something else very similar.
While Chrome OS is definitely the most web-first platform out there, right now that does not really work to its advantage.

Right now Android has the massive advantage in being able to work reasonably well while offline, something you can just forget with most web apps run on top of Chrome OS.

For a "desktop PC" I'm sure Chrome OS will be more than sufficient, since internet connectivity is not going to be an issue. For mobile devices however, you must always assume connectivity is missing, flaky or slow.

When web-apps finally get the whole offline thingie working a web-first option will become much more of a real option also for mobile, but it's the web which will need to drive it, not the other way around.
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I can think of some. A lot of people use browser almost exclusively at work. Salespeople, customer service people, etc. If the business software they use is web based, they use a browser.
>The Celeron they're using is basically a low-end Sandy Bridge processor, and Intel markets most Sandy Bridge processors under the Core brand

Do you have any reference for that?

Intel's own page shows that only i3, i5 and i7 are part of the family as does Wikipedia.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/core-...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core
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He worded his point badly, but no need to be so sarcastic when it's obvious what he means, which is that choice of OS only matters if you need it [for more than to sit in the background behind your web browser].
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This begs the question. Websites are basically databases connected to servers through some controller logic.

And isn't that the point, that now we're in an information age?
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You mean the market segment that is not technical enough to understand specs like HN'ers can?

Note that my comment was more about the way it was presented rather than a complaint that it is slow.
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It could mean it's 100% faster for some tasks. So it could be 100% faster in loading docx or whatever, and only 20% faster in loading .doc. Are you looking for something like an average speed improvement? That probably wouldn't be very accurate, either. But they could say the new LibreOffice is 20%-100% faster, I suppose.
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