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And then what? Invent a new standard that also won't be adopted? Make it so in the future a public IP is like owning a home?

IPv6 is the only viable path forward. There are no redos here. Saying IPv6 can't work is the equivalent of burying your head in the sand.

IPv4 space has run out. Any solution that add more space requires full adoption from client on the planet.

The thing is, IPv6 only clients can reach IPv4 only services. It's why these services don't advertise v6, they don't technically need to even if some clients would be better off.

But an IPv6 only service _can not_ be accessed by an IPv4 only client.

These limitations are true for any possible alternative to IPv6.

We need people to stop trying to deny IPv6, it IS the future.
It depends on what you define as a "market".

To nationalistic free marketeers, they want the market unimpeded within their boundaries; but "unfair" external influence limited/removed.

It's a perfectly compatible mindset.
Well, it doesn't help that IPv6 is a technological equivalent of a christmas tree bill. Besides the address space expansion, it shoves down our throat a bunch of fundamental changes that noone asked for (and are not supported at all in most SOHO and prosumer router equipment).

This is why it's much more likely that you'll continue seeing things like CGNAT instead of IPv6 - the IPv6 standard is just an utter engineering failure no matter how you look at it.
every time I enable ipv6 on my pfsense, things go wrong, some sites don't open, some are very very slow to open like amazon prime or Disney plus have problems. Something is broken at router levels and until that's fixed, I keep it off
I’m in Europe (Poland). I only miss other people not having iMessage when dealing with recruiters, because a sizable portion of them are from abroad and replying to their texts costs money (roaming laws do not cover it).
.... customers are increasingly demanding IPv6, so .... ? Perhaps it exists as a useful device to point to to articulate exactly why IPv6 should be implemented?
I guess the subsidy is too high if people bought these in preference to conventional ICE and then didn't take advantage of the improved mileage.

I am not entirely sure what the government could have done instead. Subsidizing public charging might have worked better - free fuel is a strong incentive - but then maybe people simply drive more. Or perhaps more likely they buy a hybrid thinking they'll charge it but find it to inconvenient.
Because now most new users are shoved behind CGNAT where they can't accept inbound connections.

The internet as consumers know it becoming only a tool to browse websites and not an actual internet connection that can do say, peer-to-peer gaming, sucks.
I remember when YouTube switched from it's original method of streaming to DASH. The old method was to basically pick a file and buffer up to N time in advance (I think it was based on the media length).

But the original DASH implementation was very aggressive about keeping a minimal buffer size and downgrading quality at the slightest hiccup. I was also on a not particularly great internet connection at the time, so I used to pause 720p at the start and let it buffer enough for uninterrupted playback, but YouTube's changes meant that just buffered like 15s and then shifted down to 360p. There were add-ons to force dash off to mitigate the problem but iirc YouTube was starting to make higher qualities dash exclusive.

Clearly someone at YouTube was optimising to reduce time-to-play and buffering but in a typical metrics driven approach, excluded the possibility that for some videos these were less bad problems than 360p videos. At that time I was watching a lot of let's plays and programming tutorials and most of the people were uploading content recorded and intended for 720p or 1080p, so unreadable text because of quality downgrades was a big problem for me at that time.

Nowadays I just brute force it by having comically excessive amounts of internet (2gbps ftth) so YouTube randomly deciding garbage quality is much rarer, but it still happens sometimes.
NAT alone is definitely worse than IPv6.
Framework's software and firmware have been a mess, but it's working on them
It’s not a scam if it’s legal.
Where do people typically park their cars in Germany? On the street, or in a driveway?
No one wants to deal with IPv6 except for the almost religious crowd that creates an endless blogspam on how YOU should migrate to IPv6 because it's awesome!. The only interaction I had with dedicated IPv6 users was when I blocked an entire /48 from our app due to high abuse rates and got very angry email from the owner that I'm stifling the global progress.
I thought the problem with the IPv6 is that it incorporates a lot of bloat compared to the IPv4.
that or it was an inevitable and powerful scaling technology that enables a double-digit billion number of devices to communicate using only 3B addresses
The counterweight elevator is -- by far -- the most energy efficient way for people to live and be supplied. As in, if you need to supply a few thousand people with food and services then cramming them in high rises and surrounding those with facilities in walking distance will consume the least energy. Even more efficient than moving around on bikes or trams. I do not have the book at hand where this was calculated in painstaking detail but I am not sure a human consumes less energy walking up a floor than the elevator does thanks to said counterweight.

Also, if you need to convince people to live in such circumstances then a little convenience goes rather far so that also needs to be considered.

Modern washing machines are certainly more water efficient than hand washing and I wouldn't be surprised, again, if they would be more energy efficient too. Once again: humans consume energy too. Edit: and as someone else noted, we look should look at the societal effect. Well, it's quite clear the washing machine is an extremely big plus as it automates a time consuming, hard physical task.

So far every order effect of LLMs are terrible as they are built on the backs of exploited workers and are used to further disenfranchise workers and also artists.

> As we continue to innovate, we must focus on consuming more energy rather than less.

I think in your fervor to put me down with a flippant comment you went too far. You know this is patently untrue, aren't you? I mean, since you mentioned washing machines surely you are aware both the United States and the EU are pushing hard for more efficient washing machines? https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/ecodesign-and... https://environmentamerica.org/center/media-center/biden-adm...

As for lights, LED lights consume less energy and are safer than the old incandescent bulbs. That's once again progressing towards less energy.

Sure we consume more energy than we did pre-industrial revolution but that doesn't mean we must continue upwards.
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Maybe don't hire fat, though...
> No public mentions of editing the movie or clip to be more "in-line" with today's environment.

well, what was the movie?
License Compatibility Verification for Open-Source Software
Because it's basically the technical standard equivalent of that junior engineer going "Let's not just increase our ID column to 64-bit, but let's REWRITE IT ALL TO BE AWSOMEST.". And then the rewrite stutters, stalls and everyone finds out that they really just wanted that 64-bit ID column.
It does work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_fuel
I thought AWS was going to start charging for external ipv4 addresses on EC2 instances? Surely that has to count for something in the right direction.
Stack Overflow is also full of very confident wrong answers. People saying "but what if ChatGPT lies to you!" seem to forget the rest of the internet is also filled with outdated or wrong information. You always still need to actually figure out if the result is correct or not.

Heck, even when I come up with a solution myself without needing to research it, I'm still likely to get it wrong or make mistakes. That's why we rely on tests, specs, code review, etc, because humands still make mistakes.
I do not really understand the issue. Is it because IPv6 is vary hard ?

I still wonder why they did not enhance IPv4 by adding more digits. Maybe that would have been easier ?

The phone company did that 50 years ago. When I was a kid we only needed to dial 5 numbers for local, 7 for long distance with a 1. As time went on, additional digits were added.
Although I know what you're saying, I couldn't help thinking that X actually isn't genius, especially contrasted to how it was before the rocketman took over.
I think it doesn’t out of the box, but there are forks/patches that do.
I think this still exists, as the items that filled the space the books took. Eg the younger D&D folks I know fill their bookshelves with minis and action figures instead of adventure guides.

It does seem diminished, though I wonder how much of that is being converted to digital and how much is “the average person is too poor for a personal library now”.
WOW! interesting platform.
> They aren't inherently more polluting.

They could be though, the additional battery on PHEVs is heavy.
Yes, invent a new standard that's actually easy enough to implement so it will be adopted.

If the USB consortium can do it, the network folks can as well.
Brewed from old bread crusts, the oldest beer is experiencing a revival
The worst offenders IMO is PSN. If you have IPv6 it will just not allow you to connect to their services. Even on PS5.
Haha, indeed! I was pretty frustrated with configuring WAMP, though. Once I started spending more time on Linux and noticed that Linux was using the slash instead of the backslash for directories and all other OS differences, suddenly, the WAMP configuration made a lot of sense and became one more reason to switch permanently to Linux.
For the guidance computer. There was a lot more to the program than one guidance computer.

If you keep reading the very source that you yourself linked you’ll find that NASA generally used customary units. Hence my qualifier “mostly” in my entirely correct comment you replied to.
What about carbon-neutral fuel? It sounds like the most practical solution.
Also when people had fewer shows they spent more time watching extras and since studios knew that they put effort into making them.

Nowadays a lot of projects don't bother or do the bare minimum of grabbing two actors on a zoom call for a commentary track.
/skæm/ a dishonest plan for making money or getting an advantage, especially one that involves tricking people
Starlink sometimes is IPv6 only.
[Citation needed]

We've been using NAT and expanding it to decades which makes it an easy proof that it brings value.

IPv6 is still barely adopted and barely available in two decades after having "ipv6 parties". What does that tell you about its value?
I know this is a bit weird to ask but I would be happy to write articles for your platform as well as generate content on tiktok and other social media platforms!
Which is the opposite of a catastrophe. It is just a tiny inconvenience
> and there isn't data coverage all over the place

> so if we want a guarantee that someone sees a message on time, SMS instead of Whatapps/Viber/.... is preferable.

Do you understand what this works only with 2G, 3G networks? A proper 4G is data-only one, so the SMS there are emulated over a data link.
As does AWS - https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-aws-public-ipv4-address...
Get the iphone SE then. More than good enough for everyday intents and purposes, and you’ll save hundreds of dollars.
Unfortunately, it depends on where you are living. While cars in urban areas are a definite luxury, not having a car is the luxury outside of cities.

No amount of incentives and enhancements of public transportation will ever fix this issue for sparsely populated areas. You can try to reduce exhausts and travel distances with car, but you can't fight car ownership.

My parents live in such an area and they can commute to work and back fully electric. They charge overnight and always fall back to combustion for larger routes, such as the next airport.

If you ignore the needs of those people, you only strengthen political forces who also support big oil. There needs to be a middle ground.
This is false, it is not illegal. You might be in violation of a specific contract, but that is far from it being illegal. For example Steam might ban you if you circumvent a region lock. Reason for that is that there are other legal requirements for them as a market place.
IPv6 is unwieldy. The addresses are impossible to remember and hard to type. Most people don't need to do either of those things, but the people who manage systems do. There's also little incentive for consumers and businesses to switch. The only way it'll happen is if it's imposed by large network providers.

Where I see it being useful is for IoT devices, where you're never configuring them manually, and where they probably only need to speak to one endpoint.

For anything that involves manual setup, you're going to have to force me to use IPv6, because I just don't care. Voluntary adoption is a pointless endeavor.
This article [0] touches on it but it was unforgettable to wander around a NYC video rental store in the early 90s _with the whole neighborhood_.

[0] https://ilovetheupperwestside.com/be-kind-rewind-the-days-of...
Sky-high AI engineer salaries are complicating startups' equity playbook
The RIPE waiting list is at 400+ days. And getting bigger everyday.
This. It's a massive chicken-and-egg problem, and it's far more of a problem for those without the resources to influence things than the big influential organisations. What it means is that IPv6 doesn't get adopted, and where/when it is adopted, it's stymied by the fact that other parts of the network aren't adopting it, as well as generally lower usage meaning it far more frequently is subtly broken without being fixed. (residential ISPs I think are the biggest culprit: that means there's no customers on ipv6 so there's no reason for websites to adopt it, and it's still suicide to go ipv6-only. But of course with no ipv6-only websites there's no pressure for ISPs to support it, and with a lot of websites lacking ipv6 newer ISPs without the address space can't go IPv6-only and get any customers, so hacks like CGNAT are still mandatory. And so the kinda-working status quo makes moving to the properly-working system much harder).
no, it`s more that NEW "bloat" brings new problems
"Let me plugin my car every night now, and take it to the gas station every week."

People are lazy. Worst of all worlds combination.

At least with a EV I only plugin once a week at my home.
Fuel is ~15-20% of operating costs, ~15-20% are other operating costs, ~60-70% is construction costs. The 15% would go down to ~10% if nuclear plant operators would pay market rate waste deposit and insurance costs as part of operations.
Love the humblebrag. This "investing" method works until once day it doesn't. Don't get me wrong, HN is wrong a lot of times. Those two specific examples are about companies that are monopolies for all intents and purposes. Google and Meta pretty much control their primary markets. Tesla does *not* control their primary market. In fact it looks like their competitors are closing in on them very fast. No one was closing in on Google Search or Instagram/Whatsapp. The numbers never indicated that at any point in time. For tesla on the other hand...

Good Luck :)
North Korea has the Internet?
Diamond is 300x harder than gold. So it goes with ideas.

The question isn't whether diamonds exist, it is whether laws artificially restrict the supply of diamonds?

If, in your example, these $0.001 savings opportunities were quickly mined, would there remain such high pay for software developers?

What if the pricing power comes not as much from the work being done, but from laws that restrict supply?
> So far, nothing has happened.

Everything the "alarmists" told us has already happened. IPv4 address space has already run out which now means that you often have to pay an ever increasing fee to use a public IPv4 address, if you get one at all (more and more people are sitting behing a CG-NAT). Public IPv6 blocks are completely free.
Here (Slovenia) that is a lot of hassle for no personal benefit. Public charging is expensive enough that you'll never recuperate the higher price of the vehicle (if you can't charge at home).
That's also how you become an extreme outlier at Bash. Actually read the manual.
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Why the link to a zip file?

Also, OpenBSD support for WiFi is generally considered less robust than Linux. For example, no 802.11ax support as of this post: https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/networking/wireless/#support...
This looks promising. How effective has it been in reality?
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I can imagine that for many people this is unfortunately probably very true, but it would also be extremely dependent on the individual and their driving habits. I drive my Chevy Volt 95% of the time on just the battery, which in my state is being charged with >80% Hydroelectric power. I just have to add about 8 gallons of gas to the car every ~3 months, usually after driving someone to the airport or something.
Every definition that shows up when I search contains some variation of the word "fraud".
Or, for the techy detail and practical advice, the first enclosures which make use of USB4 and are faster are based on a ASMedia ASM2464PD controller chipset.

USB4 ASM2464PD SSD ENCLOSURES [1]:
These enclosures sustain higher throughputs compared to older Thunderbolt 3 designs which reserved bandwidth for DisplayPort and legacy USB. Real-world peak throughput is ~3.1-3.8GB/s with the latest Gen4 M.2 NVMe SSDs. Many enclosures since 2020 are marketed as “USB4 compatible” but are based on the older Thunderbolt 3 chips, so you need to pay attention to the fine print.

[1] https://dancharblog.wordpress.com/2024/01/01/list-of-ssd-enc...
Is this different to the 2017 700 job cuts, or the 2018 9% job cuts, or the 2019 7% job cuts, or the 2022 10% job cuts?
Here is why this is relevant to anyone who's not a network admin, and why it is especially relevant to the HN crowd of tech-people:

If a server has no AAAA record, machines only connected to IPV6 simply cannot contact that server. This is fine in theory (just buy an ipv4 lolz) but in practices this means additional costs that will only go up, as the ipv4 space becomes more and more crowded. As a non-network admin, I care that services I'm a business costumer of are available to my servers, the biggest offender being GitHub. GitHub still does not have an ipv6 despite "looking into the issue" for several years, and this means that I am unable to use their services or indeed any software that requires access to GitHub for, say, updates, pulling artifacts, container images or whatever else from their servers.

It does sound like it's a bit presumptuous of me as a random IT person to demand an IPV6 out of them, but in the year of the Linux desktop, there's no reason for them not to have the infrastructure in place to simply flip a switch and be done with it, for basically free.

Of course, the big players own swathes of IPV4 space that they are able to rent out at a premium, so they are heavily disincentivized from ever supporting ipv6, as that means obsoleting their investment with no replacement, but it's bullshit that they are able to do this in the first place.
It could have been Shazaam starring Sinbad as a genie who grants wishes to a couple of kids.
An Internet traffic analysis during Iran's April 13, 2024, attack on Israel
I got dengue and typhoid fever at the same time. They call it a co-infection. I was pissing blood at one point but they said it was due to dehydration and having a kidney stone I wasn't aware of until they had me get an ultrasound. Anyway, these types of viruses are unavoidable. Everyone gets sick from time to time. Incase anyone is curious, I got them both from a restaurant I went to. I kept getting bit by mosquitos that night and the water they served didn't taste right. I only took a few sips of the water but that's all you need to catch typhoid. I google mapped the restaurant and found a few open drainage ditches next to the restaurant. The mosquitos must have been growing in there.
I think you're giving the media way too much credit here. Musk does a pretty great job of sidestepping his PR people to say insane, hateful, inflammatory, or just plain stupid shit. My thoughts on him come from years of hearing him tell us who he really is on a daily basis, and I'd be irritated if someone mistakenly placed responsibility for my thoughts on Musk to the media.
VPN by Google One is shutting down for good
To see a photo, image search "apnea sleep guard." By jutting your lower jaw forward, it is supposed to move your whole lower jaw assembly including tongue forward. It is the tongue drooping back towards your throat that causes the snoring for most. This, in turn, should reduce episodes of reduced oxygen then leading to less wakeful events since your body is not having to jerk itself awake to keep air flowing.
I don't get these kinds of arguments. Even if rural areas still use cars, reducing pollution in urban areas (the ones, you know, most populated) still brings massive improvements to everyone (if nothing else, the ruralites aren't stuck in traffic as much when they inevitably commute into cities) and has very measureable health benefits for everyone in the cities.

Where does this silly idea that "let's use more public transport in cities" requires rural areas to not use cars come from?
Plenty? It really depends on the location.

There are only parking space with charging available for 2 cars in a 4km radius in my neighborhood. Charging that is anyway nit cost effective.

YMMV but afaik in europe there are still plenty of places where using an EV wouldn't be practical at all, even in urban area.

The only EV that I am considering is the Silence S01 moped and the reason is that its battery can be unmounted and be carried around as a trolley luggage so I could charge it inside my building.
I don't think you could design it in such a way that it's easier to migrate to.

It's a fundamental change at the IP protocol layer, there wasn't scope in that layer for backwards compatibility.

There's loads of transition mechanisms that were introduced, but it's not as tractable of a problem. Assumptions around IPv4 have been baked in all over the place.

Also there was more _reason_ to move to HTTPS. Virtually everything had already supported HTTPS for closing in on two decades at the point the mass rollout with LE happened. You could switch to HTTPS-only for your site without breaking it for your users because they already needed it for online banking etc.

You can't just switch to exclusive IPv6 because half your users don't even have an IPv6 connection. And virtually everyone with IPv6 has an IPv4 connection anyway so the benefit in dual stacking is nil. Unlike supporting HTTPS where at least those that supported it got the benefit.
a lot of the people who purchase a lot of films buy them because they are sharper, have more vivid colors.

Who knows if those whales are even watching most of their own collection.
I can't help but to feel schadenfreude. It's what you get with what looks like a "meme-first" approach to product design.

Also, am I the only one who keeps thinking of the Simpson's Canyonero when reading cybertruck news?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA
So is IPv6.
The battery can also be charged by regenerative braking, which also allows the brakes to last much longer.
Sure the US is larger, but climate doesn't care if a ton of CO2 is produced by a small or a large country.
You have to ask how much energy it takes to produce a 'carbon-neutral fuel', whether its e-fuel, e-kerosene, or hydrogen. For example: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-25/lufthansa...