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If you get a collection notice on an account that's payed off and you call the bank and they immediately say "we're very sorry, that letter was a mistake and your accounts are all in good standing, you can ignore that letter" do you keep calling and calling the bank demanding something more? What do you expect to get out of it?

They got seriously screwed over with negative seo. I'm not even sure how else you would get your site unlisted from a bunch of splog farms, that sounds like a nightmare to me. So they paid a lawyer to help clean it up, what's the big deal? Why are you giving them such a hard time?

From the sound of the replies here, I probably wouldn't even like this company but still I'd cut them some slack.
I routinely trip over them getting out of the shower, preparing lunch, and getting into bed. Seriously, I didn't realize that a shortage of ideas was a problem for anyone--for me it's much harder to focus on a single one long enough to execute it well.
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> I really think Facebook has dug in too well to be easily displaced.

lol
Excel is a bit kind, Facebook is still trying to figure out advertising well enough to justify it's current valuation.
Not just startups, either!

At any organisation you'll experience this if you have your mind open.

The difference, I think (and from my own experience), is that at a start-up you are far more receptive to the opportunities.

The other side of the coin is this: don't forget the value of domain knowledge. Sometimes you need to work in an industry for a bit to understand what's holding people back. Not every startup has to be the next big consumer product - there are (and have always been) a lot of people quietly doing very well for themselves servicing specific industry needs.

(a gentle troll to some HN readers: Of course, that might involve building a "real" revenue driven business instead of hunting for a big close-out paycheck ;D)
Unless they obtained a better deal with a competitor; a competitor that might have an interest in sabotaging the IPO.
Thanks, I'll have to look into the third-party tool option. Mostly I've been running ads with external links and it would only let me do CPC, but I did do it all thru fb's dashboard.
Yeah, that’s a nice succinct way of putting it. Unfortunately, nice succinct ways of putting things don’t seem to make for very compelling writing. So we blog.

If another person calls me “Evin”, I may have to stop using the name “evincar of autumn”. The reference is so easily lost.
Read the NYTimes blog post.

"Revenue eXtraction Gateway" (RG)

They tried calling the RG helpdesk, and the RG people hung up.

Classic.

Encrypting all internet traffic would put a swift end to this problem.
I would add onto this: there is a grey area between persistent constructive dissatisfaction and persistent destructive dissatisfaction. You can't really know when you're pushing yourself so hard that you'll burn out.
It seems to be based on http://codemirror.net/ so you could probably check that out and see the keyboard support. I wonder if the final product will be a browser-based editor as well..?
the telegraph service western union turned down a chance to buy the patent for telephones as they thought it was merely a toy. it's still a custom in ireland to send telegrams for weddings, other than that...

facebook is merely a service that will exist till some better service comes along.

disclaimer. never had a facebook account.
>I vehemently disagree on this. Apple has made a silly fortune proving the contrary.

Totally orthogonal.

Apple cares about UI and attractive industrial design, and was the first companies to really get that in the computer space (and later in the MP3, smart phone, and tablet spaces). Good UI design is good for experts and novices alike. Do you really think that most people who used DOS computers once upon a time would really want to go back to 100% command-line interactions? (Yes, I know there are exceptions in the Unix crowd who swear that vi IS sliced bread and that anything not on the command line sucks...but there are probably 10x as many "expert" developers who swear by GUIs. Can't please everyone.)

The key difference is that, if you shy away from programming, there are huge categories of things you will never be able to do. And until you know how to program, you won't even know what those things are.

The "learning to read" analogy (elsewhere in this thread) is good. It's a powerful skill that, until you know it, you don't even know what it is you're missing.
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This is possible in IE as well with this code:

.clickjack_overlay {
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='white.png', sizingMethod='scale');
background:none !important;
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That quick stop caught my attention too. I'm thinking the same as you as to what it symbolizes. If so, happy to see it was at least represented on the tour.
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The terrible misfortune of web / mobile based display advertising is that you can actually track it. If you could intimately track the performance of television ads, it'd be a disaster for that segment (ditto radio).
It's that much worse when your company still uses a version that has reached end of life. I must loose a good 30 minutes a day because of that.
Other than through trial and error. A messy process, but effective.
In this case, the community group that was created did not include browser implementors or people who actively contribute to mainline HTML standards, and was not advertised on forums that they frequent. In light of this, their expectation that their proposal would be taken up wholesale was somewhat misguided.
If we're still going with the given example, Facebook didn't create anything except a forum where a mom posted a status update.

There's no reason for an advertiser to pay to serve an ad for that. The ad was just given away for free. Unless you want to watch the show right at that moment, you wouldn't click it anyway.

So, I'm missing the part where Facebook can monetize the "new demands."
I don't see a problem here. Most of folks here, including myself, over the span of one weekend could write a downloadable version of a Visual Basic application with a built-in Internet Explorer Window where you login to your facebook and then the app scrap (download) all data you ever had, all messages, photos, etc, everything within a couple of minutes, elegantly packet into zip, xml or whatever format you wish to have it!

Zuck could do shit, because that downloadable app would use client local IP, so they would have to block _everyone_ in order to stop the app. Further, it would use built-in IE frame, so all request would look like coming from legitimate Internet Explorer user. You could also implement "wait(rand [sec 1-5])" between downloading requests, so it looks more messy, more like a human that is clicking, rather then robot pulling requests in miliseconds.

Zuck once had hacked into school system. Who knows -- would be crazy to see an App that so easily ported out all your data out of Facebook, and see Zuck trying to stop it :)
Ask HN: I built a site that IMO can be huge. How can I promote it?
I love to build stuff on the Internet so I created http://guyshelpmedecide.com - A place where you can easily get advice from your friends on buying decisions

It is still kind of a pet project, but I do believe on its potential to go viral

The problem is that I'm a coder and I don't have a clue on how can I promote it.

Maybe trying to contact blogs/media and hope they write about it? Or it is better to create a facebook Ads campaign targeting amazon fans?

I really appreciate any ideas, feedback on the product or whatever that can help me to make this site huge
Seems I have cause to post this in quite a few threads these days:

> These days, it seems like POSIX has become just another VM environment, like Smalltalk, Erlang, the JVM or the CLR. Mingw/Cygwin doesn't run *nix programs "on" Windows, really; it just provides them with a really half-assed VM implementation. Why not instead just go all the way and run, say, Ubuntu Server in a headless VMware appliance? If nothing else, it gives your spare cores something to do :)
then the app scrap (download) all data you ever had, all messages, photos, etc, everything within a couple of minutes

If you think you could download people's entire photo collections in a "couple of minutes" then you underestimate the insane number of photos uploaded to Facebook every day.
Sorry about that Jon!
Show HN: How to be on front page of HN
Just write an article with the following title "How [x] [y] [z]"

where
x= "To" or "Not To"

y= "become" or "learn"

z= "programmer" , "developer" or "coder"

Think of any variation and you will be on top and get your fame
It's industry wide actually.

We are salaried employees of these companies: http://washingtontechnology.com/toplists/top-100-lists/2011....

Finding a quality company is a pain. Recruiters lie to get their 10% to 15%. Companies bait/switch - continued employment constitutes implied consent when dealing with benefits, and the list goes on.
Exactly - people seem to want to hit 'reset' on their peer group/network from time to time. Moving to a different social network seems to support that.
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what it means: "very happy"?. maybe they like losing money, are careless, or losing $10MM to them is still "being happy". Without conversion rates, or % of awareness arisen, its hard to say whether FB is valuable place to pay for ads.
Buyers will only bid up if they expect the dividends to increase without compromising the ability of the company to pay further dividends, or if the dividend is paid out with an asset that is currently worthless the way it's being used. It's really no different than growth stocks -- they are bid up with the idea that the last owner of the stock will ride it out in dividends until the final sale of assets.
Just three articles on programming and it has kindled a huge firestorm.
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Ask HN: Setting up membership website, what are the options
Hi,

What are the options available to setup a paid membership website other than Wordpress+membership plugins

There is Ning but its pricing is huge($25+$19 per month)

It would be great if you can share your 2 cents on this

Thanks
I think this is a cool concept. Let me caution you that I worked on a similar project about 3 years ago. What we found out was that most people that solicit advice, ignore it. We used affiliate links to monetize, and didn't find social feedback to be significantly better at converting than blog posts, or anything else.

What that meant was that we were in the same eyeballs rat race that everyone else is.

If what you are asking is how do you become the next pinterest, in terms of viral growth, it's a lot of hard work and a dash of luck. Shake and hope it turns into gold.
When I envision "Everyone can program." this sort of thing is what comes to mind. Not people building cathedrals out of notepad.exe and a python REPL.
Yup, got called by Google. The "senior talent management engineer" had no idea what 'cost control measures' were. If within the first 10 seconds you can't tell me if I've got to pay out of pocket for visual studio of whatever else, then get lost.
>The problem is that the list of things you should learn, as you imply, is endless.

No one is seriously saying that learning, say, an obscure type of lace-making will improve your life in any way.

Learning to program is akin to learning to read; in a sense learning to program is really about learning to think clearly about a problem.

And that can be clearly applied to most aspects of life.
what did GM hope it would accomplish by advertising on facebook? Unless they are offering a discount coupon for 50% off their next GM car, facebook users wouldnt care. did they hope facebook users would be more inclined to buy GM vs a foreign car? if that is the case...i have bridge i would like to sell you.
It is a successful tool for ad networks to provide because advertisers pay more for it, I've yet to be convinced that it actually increases conversions. If I keep seeing an ad over and over again, I just get annoyed.
The brutal part is that generally customer requests are no better than "the bug is shitty app" or just "buggggggg". Thats where a responsive strategy sucks - reliable reports are few and far between.
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Also, move the vertical scrollbar up and down...
no, you misunderstood or I haven't explained properly (mostly the latter).

What I said is that the App would download all _your_ photos that you owe on your account. Given that it takes couple seconds max until I see a full photo from the moment I clicked it, it would take tens of minutes to download hundreds of photos: 5 sec per photo x 200 photos == 16 minutes of robot's work while you enjoy your drink.

edit: so this "I would argue that things like the massive photo collections people have made provide a large level of lock-in" becomes an irrelevant problem.
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Could be only me but twitter tries to redirect for me despite me being logged in.
I didn't express myself well. What I really meant:

Getting out paced by the entire world would be really distressing if I was a media outlet.
Ask HN: When do you Commit Changes in Version Control?
In git/any version control, at what point do you commit changes? After a single file? After the feature starts working? In arbitrary chunks?
I am no psychiatrist, but from what I've read, the current consensus indicates that psychiatric orders can be detected using reasonable criteria. The widespread use of the DSM demonstrates this idea. The DSM is occasionally updated, and each revision reflects the changing ideas about psychiatry.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/12/us/dsm-revisions-may-sharp...
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Funny you mention AV, which Google killed around 2001. And then, after that...? There's always a next big thing, until there isn't. Sometimes the last man standing remains the last man standing, though predicting who it will be is rather tricky.
I used YAGBE (Yet Another Google Bookmarks Extension) and it was really nice until it pulled this trick. No additional permissions were asked for IIRC, so it probably asked for what it needed at first.
Facebook is the new TV. Everyone loves to explain how they don't use it.
Contrary to a couple of the comments already posted, I'm seeing abandonment of Facebook happening most rapidly among the generation that is now of college age (my oldest son's generation) rather than the generation of Baby Boomers (my generation). I was late to start using Facebook, and now use it heavily (it has replaced email lists for interacting with my circle of friends) but I observe that my son and his friends, when they aren't seeing one another in person, are as likely to use other technologies (no, not email) these days as to use Facebook to converse with one another. Facebook has already lost most of its cachet with the group of users who first began using Facebook when Facebook was restricted to persons with university Internet accounts.

As have all people in my generation, I saw the boom and bust of AOL, and it wouldn't surprise me at all for Facebook not merely to become uncool but also actively to lose money. It's been done before. I've been surprised, actually, at how well Facebook has scaled (I never thought its servers would be able to keep up with so many user actions in real time) and I've been pleasantly surprised too at how well I like to interact even with friends I regularly see in person on Facebook. But I could well believe that something shinier or newer could come along and draw away my friendship network as rapidly as it has been drawn away from other online services in the past.
I don't know what the price is to buy bandwidth (as host of the files) but I bet it is not 20$ per 8Gb!
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Why not? Specs can change, and the WHATWG HTML spec in particular has a history of changing initially poorly designed features based on additional feedback.
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Interact, yes. Execute AJAX? Not so much. Matt Cutts said in April: "So Asynchronous Javascript is a little bit more complicated, and that’s maybe further down the road, but the common case is Javascript."

From the short article, it seems like this is going a bit further than what Cutts is saying GoogleBot is capable.
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did that help?
but insisting on correcting everyone who uses it.

We correct you because you're using misleading terminology, as cryptoz explained.

Language matters and it's hard to have a useful discussion when either side keeps on falling back to prejudiced terminology.
You've been in the strange government contract world for so long, simplest things outside it confuse you. Are you a full-time employee, with an indefinite job contract and paid vacations? Then the answer is yes, and the question is borderline absurd, particularly to someone at Google, where they give away two hot meals a day and assign $5k office chairs. Are you a contractor and get paid 2-3x times more per hour, at the expense of benefits and job 'security'? Then probably no.
I think this is a major move in the right direction:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/15/3022682/google-direct-sale...

It should bring a lot more stock devices into the market. Manufacturers will be able to upgrade their devices faster, and if Google is smart, they will stick with 1 major release per year rather than 2, and this way manufacturers will have to upgrade their devices only twice in 2 years, rather than 4 times. And we won't have this problem of being "2 versions behind".
Sure, but that doesn't make telegraphs a "fad." Nothing lasts forever--particularly not when it comes to technology. But I don't think you've refuted the parent's statement that facebook won't "be easily displaced." It took a vastly superior technology to supplant telegraphs. If the same is true of Facebook, it could have good staying power.

The inevitable comparison when this comes up is to Friendster or MySpace, but it's really a poor one. Neither had anywhere the reach of Facebook even at their height, nor a large percentage of the world's internet users. Earlier social networks had significant competitors. Isn't it remarkable that in the ~4 years that Facebook has been dominant, _nobody_ has successfully challenged it?

Facebook will likely diminish in importance at some point, but it's not going to happen any time soon.
Exactly. Its amazing to see so many people avoid making this connection in their heads. It's so painfully obvious. I just wish they had IPO'd a few years earlier...
But Western Union still exists. Facebook will be around for a long time, even if different things come along as well.
Switch the industry. You can get $50k/year swinging Drupal code with no questions asked or qualifications required. I am honestly confused as to why you'd stay in this horrible environment.
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Ask HN: Lojban and AI?
Hi.

I am currently looking for topics to do for an honors seminar at school.

Something I tossed around was the usefulness Lojban (the logical human language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban) could have on Natural Language Processing and other topics in AI.

I haven't found too much concerning the topic online, and was just wondering if anyone with more experience in AI think this could be a useful project.

Thanks!
"Buy this, you don't even know you need it" is basically the foundation of American consumerism. It's the concept behind dandruff shampoos, pet rocks, and designer clothing.

BTW, Amazon's revenue dwarfs Facebook's but Facebook made more profit last year than Amazon ($1 billion vs. $900 million).
In a perfect world: yes. In reality: your uploads count towards your data cap, and national traffic is no longer free (it used to be). When your data cap is expensive/small, seeding can cost you a significant amount of money.
I'm not so sure it's toxic, particularly with the reduction in costs to get up and running these days (Linux on a laptop with Emacs/VIM and a LAMP stack is free except for the hardware and hosting on the cloud makes it VERY affordable to start out small) I actually feel it's healthy and positive.

If you look at our industry it is panning out like a miniature biological ecosystem, with companies devouring other companies, some companies pivoting into different/new companies, big old companies being overthrown by smaller, newer, smarter ones.

Acqui-hiring is just one avenue for the evolution of technology to continue - and TBH, I may not agree with Facebook's policy but what they have achieved (virtually anyone that is "online" has a "Facebook") is remarkable with regards to the social graph and connecting people.
"Facebook is surviving on investment, not income."

Better check your facts. Facebook made a $1 billion profit last year.
oh no my objective is pretty clear. GET OUT.

Now I just need a requirements/Project Management/Product Manager/Developer Buffer role... :-/
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That pricing FAQ is out of date. Not sure why it still says that.
Yep fully agree here.

Never consider bonuses, future pay etc. Only what will be on the next paycheck.
I believe what he's talking about is that you do not NEED a DB for those features. One could implement authentication using a persistence mock. Eventually you will need to replace the mock with some sort of real persistence, but that is unrelated to that use case and should not affect the implementation.

I think the idea he is trying to express is that developers put too much focus on the persistence layer of an application too soon in the development. When you say I am going to use MySQL before you even write a line of code you are automatically trapping yourself and your thinking.

Persistence is meant to be an after thought of a use case; an implementation detail.
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This isn't necessarily an indictment toward DRM.

Hardware-accelerated video is (used to be?) done using hardware video overlays. You'd pipe frames directly to the video card and tell it what region of the screen to render it to, completely independent of the regular 2D or 3D rendering path. On 2D Windows desktops, you'll see this as a magenta square when you take a screenshot, because the 2D windowing system only knows about the elements plus the "hole" where the overlay goes; it has no way to access the pixels in the hardware overlay buffer.

The author mentions sending the video through AirPlay by sending the entire desktop, rather than using iTunes to send the video directly. If QuickTime Player is rendering the video using a hardware overlay, this makes just as much sense that it would fail as does the screenshot case.

I'd be curious to know if sending it via iTunes works fine.
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I've seen this too. Interestingly enough the same IP and User-Agent combo generates both _escaped_fragment_ and ajax requests, so it looks like a soft launch or a field test of some kind.
You should try to decrease the number of conversations per page to 20 or less, that will help.
Anecdote: I have a friend who's a college professor - a student told him that Facebook is passe because 1) it's got too many ads 2) everyone's parents are on it.

It's possible that this is just the lifecycle of social networks - they gradually get infiltrated by money and adults, and the young people move on, causing the network to stagnate and die.

I guess it's still possible that there's a niche for a stable, long-term social network for people over 30, but I guess only time will tell.