skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
You took that quote out of context and missed the broader point in the process. The snippets provided in regular search results cannot generally replace the substance of the full articles they link to, while that's the whole point of GP's hypothetical website—it simply doesn't reproduce large chunks of text verbatim, presumably to avoid copyright infringement claims in the hypothetical's frame, and in GP's rhetorical frame to present an analogy with the information-laundering powers of LLMs that their creators claim make their exploitation of unlicensed training data fair use.

The whole point of a search engine (as we've classically known them) is to index the web and respond to queries with a list of links that you will inspect and click through on. The whole point of an LLM chatbot tool is to eliminate those inspecting and clicking-through steps, becoming a one-stop shop for content whose substance was created by someone else. That's also the whole point of GP's hypothetical, which is why it works as an analogy.

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There are substantially better arguments for search engines being legitimate fair use. Consider, for example, transformation. AI defenders will argue that these systems are transformative because they reshuffle elements of their input in their output, but that's clearly a much weaker form of transformation than one in which the transformed work has an entirely different nature and purpose, i.e. search engines vs. the results they return. Ultimately these technicality-based "nuh uh" arguments aren't going to save the practice of training AI on unlicensed data, because they are incompatible with the spirit of copyright law even if the novel nature of these technologies means the letter of said law can't quite nail them down yet.

If these arguments do succeed, it will be because the judicial/regulatory environment in which they were applied has been corrupted by capital.
I had a CD player in my SUV that had the same problem. The only saving grace is that it could play mp3s from the CD, so I had mixes that had 100 songs on them.
Unsourced and non-specific disparagement might be the reason for the downvotes here. People like to read posts that make them feel they have a better understanding of the world rather than a particular poster's political viewpoints.

I think including either sources or specifics (e.g. a specific statement he's made or what sort of "sexism" or "racism" he indulges in) would result in less downvotes.
The utility of a point system is that it makes the criteria legible—the problem wasn't the fact that it was a points system, the problem was in the details of the system.

The second link you posted lists a large number of anti-immigrant ideas that Trump had. That was the general tenor of his administration as I personally experienced it: rhetoric about unauthorized immigration, actions against legal immigrants.

(I used to be on an H1B and got my green card last year.)
> I'll go to Aliexpress and eBay first for: "kids toys, cables, generic keyboards, battery chargers, basic tools, and basic clothing."

I do too. I don't use Amazon Prime and can usually find the same products for cheaper on ebay with free shipping. The competition among other sellers is greater on ebay so the price will often be lower. It is difficult to do returns though
The kernel of truth here is that it is, in fact, absolutely remarkable for a single individual to earn over a billion dollars in cold hard cash dividends from a single stock in one year. I don't think that has ever occured before.
Nonprofit does not necessarily mean taxpayer subsidized.
What about vodka? If zero alcohol beer makes you feel bad, is it really the alcohol that's doing it?

Also, what's a gluggy feeling?
I'd have to do some digging since its been a while since I've sent out a newsletter (the only thing I use the tracking pixel on to check read recepts) but IIRC a little under half of the list pinged the server with the pixel . Which seems about right to me, esp given that some clients block tracking pixels.

> I'm very surprised if the % for gmail and outlook truly is not lower than the % for yahoo and aol, as you indicated.

the distribution of domains is far from even, but I can tell by checking my inbox from today that one of our most frequent posters with an aol domain sent a news article around and it started a thread with multiple gmail users chatting with the original poster about it.

Thats not hard numbers, but everyone on the list has agreed that the list works better on the self hosted server then it did on google groups.
Often the is-even package will be imported by another (less ridiculous) package of the same author.
While paying for CC content is not 100% anathema, it'd be pretty weird if that was what they were doing.

Instead, I think they're paying for this:

https://enterprise.wikimedia.com/
Or split it off like they did with thunderbird.
It is amazing how easily self-sustaining structures emerge from such simple rules. Mesmerizing.
(10e15 + 1) % 2 === 0
That's basically the definition of investing, and that's basically how most wealthy people accrue their money, it just so happens that his investment was on something that turned out to be very big.
It’s an interesting story HOW he got such a large stake in Microsoft when he wasn’t a founder.

It boils down to Bill Gates organizing for Microsoft to lend Ballmer $50,000,000 to buy Microsoft shares and then Ballmer making clever further purchases when the share price was down for unimportant reasons.
Firefox will make a massive comeback if chromes kicks out Adblocker next year.
Indeed, and the data is mostly public: see https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity to check monthly active user evolution.

It's going slowly down - something that is unlikely to improve unless Firefox gets better distribution channels, especially on mobile. Giving up on FirefoxOS cut them from having the "default" browser anywhere.

They are working on a gecko-based iOS browser since the UE is likely to mandate browser diversity, so maybe that will improve things a bit - though this will only make the situation on iOS on par with Android where Firefox is not doing well market share wise.
You could try being supportive instead. But hey, the current strategy has worked out so well thus far, please continue until the market share reaches 0.

Mitchell really seems to care about these comments. Oh wait, she probably doesn’t read HN does she? Oh, but the Firefox devs probably do. Well I’m sure they’re just as moved and powerful enough to affect the kind of change you want to see in the organization.
> As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary.

This isn't what anybody objects to about the FDA. "You have to list what's in the product" is a simple rule that every knows, is easy to comply with, and doesn't require any government interaction even in the case of a suspected violation because the FDA can just buy the product to test it and compare the lab results to the label.

What people object to is when someone wants to sell an accurately labeled product with a risk-benefit trade off, the customer knows what the product is and is exercising informed consent, and the government says they can't have it anyway.
Agreed!

Different claim than this one: “We’ve done 9/11 type events on other nations for decades”

And FWIW other places couldn’t overreact the way the US did even if they wanted to, and I’m sure on more than zero occasions they did. The US is a phenomenally dangerous giant lumbering around. Don’t presume that others would do much better if they were equipped the same way we happen to be.
The boosters should have their own flight termination system which should have exploded if they were going to fall anywhere near populated land. Everyone in the US has to have them even if they're launching from Florida over the ocean and each independent flight component (like rocket boosters) has to have its own.

Allowing a rocket to fall on land like that shows extreme contempt for public safety.
Kysely – type-safe TypeScript SQL query builder
look at https://www.remnote.com/ . AFAIK it is the king of "spaced repetition" [1] note apps.

[1] https://help.remnote.com/en/articles/6022755-basics-of-space...
Then you probably want to calculate the attacks between two big blobs of units without separating them. But the result is still going to be "something like 7 simultaneous 2:1 battles", and not at all like 30% odds of upset.
Every conflict that lasts for decades tends to generate its own structures and strategies. And the conflict between Russia and the West has been going on for a long, long time.

One strategy of Russia is to say all the things. The West is not a homogenous political entity and in more radicalized nations like the US the opposition will almost always be against the opinion of the governing party. Then there are the isolationists that think sticking your head in the ground will make it all go away. So Russia will always flood the ether with all the things and many western parties will pick those up that fit them and ignore the rest.

But lets take a look at the acts Russia did, not the words.

It never ceased its occupation of part of Moldovia.

It reconquered its Chechen colony.

In 2008 it occupied part of Georgia, now it plans to build a military port and there are talks about a "referendum".

In 2014 it annexed part of Ukraine and started a proxy war in the east.

In 2022 it came back for the rest.

And yes, Putin wont attack NATO members right now. Next stop would most likely be Moldovia. But you can be sure that Putin will use his minions like Orban to break up the EU and NATO and wait for an opportune moment to grab another part of the lost Russian empire.
Also depends on speed - for electric cars most economic speed is kinda low, due to atmospheric drag. So in city cycle electric cars will do much much better than gasoline ones.
The modals and stickies are there for marketing reasons obviously, and given sufficient budget, they will be designed responsively as well (not saying this makes the experience better).

Comments on this except for the one mentioning vh honestly don't reflect current web dev + design reality anymore. And even then, you probably want to consider dvh vs vh depending on what you are doing (of course you don't want your whole layout to shift because of the on-screen keyboard either)

But they reflect mistakes that bad designers make all the time.

When I was doing web dev, it was mostly like this: there are two mock-ups, one for 1920x1080 and one for the viewport of the latest iPhone or sth similar.

The rest was up to the skill and interpretation of the developer.

To a degree, this is a sane approach, because as a web dev, it is your job to understand this and tweak things to look good regardless of DPR and viewport size in CSS pixels.

If you want to design the perfect landing page, you will encounter all kinds of tradeoffs depending on viewport dimensions. But it can be fun to tackle this problem.
Most states don't have much or any regulation of home schooling compared to public schooling.

Per the article, school choice advocates want home schooling to qualify for the same funding parents get for choosing a school. Home school advocates don't want the money out of fear that taking the money will raise the likely that they will be forced to take it, and any regulations or restrictions that come with it.

One angle the article overlooked is that parents may have to pay union dues if they do take it. This is how the SEIU got access to payments make to families of disabled people in Minnesota; they pushed the government to classify home caretakers as "employees for the purpose of bargaining" and therefore were required to pay the SEIU dues. This process was repeated in Michigan, I think, and probably other states.
We used to use "thinking out loud" as the tag for these...
I don’t understand how to read their “assets” table; but it looks like most of their revenue comes from “royalties,” which I’m sure has some specific meaning for these kinds of reports, but I’m not sure if it scales with numbers of users or not. If that’s the money they get from Google (huge guess alert, I’m probably wrong!), then I’m not sure if it would scale in the short there with the number of users; I guess they must re-negotiate their contract every couple years, right?
*Steve Ballmer is set to make $1B a year for owning a shit-ton of Microsoft stock
Or blockchain,
Or metaverse,
Or something else utterly useless that no one wants or asked for
Meanwhile, open source LLMs are excluded from stringendo regulation in the US, abd with Mistral there is some knowhow that isn't in SV, which is also jicem
> There really should be a way to ban people doing this shit.

???

There is. It's called "doing nothing."

It takes work to add a dependency to your project; they don't spring out of nothing.
This commands an issue in the Go repo!
I think this is true only up to a point. The sets of Gopher enthusiasts and Gemini enthusiasts surely overlap, but they are not coterminous (disclosure: I administer gopher.floodgap.com).

From my view in Gopherspace, Gemini is a better fit for the Gopher+TLS thing people keep trying to do which is both incompatible and doesn't square with Gopher being an ultra-light protocol, and thus most appealing to those people who thought Gopher would be the "new smol web" but found it's more its own thing. In particular, Gopher's signature strong menu-document hierarchy that a lot of us Gopher nerds like doesn't have any true parallel in Gemini.

I started gopher.floodgap.com back when it was gopher.ptloma.edu in the late 1990s largely as a historical preservation because I remembered all the cool stuff you could get there. Back then the Web hadn't metastasized to the Tetsuo blob it is today, so that obviously wouldn't have been the reason. I can't speak for the later adopters, but Gemini doesn't scratch my Gopher itches fully (see also https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2020/11/a-gopher-view-of-gemini.... , my notes on this from 2020).
It has worked for a few decades now. While almost anything else is easy to reverse engineer, the trial and error used to come up with advanced semiconductors and jet turbine engines is really hard to discern by looking at end products, and the secrets are heavily locked down in Europe and the states (even Taiwan, Japan, Korea have to import materials and equipment from a very few locked down sources for their own fabs). China will eventually get there, but they are 10s of years and billions of dollars away from it. Because of the scale of the work needed, it is also unlikely to come from private industry, and with public research a lot of that money is going to be siphoned off to corruption.
Mozilla has been diversifying itself away from Firefox for 15 years. They're still pouring money into SeaMonkey and Thunderbird, on top of a range of more recent projects that have no realistic chance of ever generating serious revenue, such as Mozilla VPN.

I think there are two realistic paths for the company. One is to make the browser amazing and edgy in ways that Google and Microsoft can't match (out of the fear of cannibalizing revenue or running into regulatory trouble). Mozilla has a shot at it, but it's unlikely to happen if they have a defeatist attitude about it internally, and are focusing on non-browser pivots.

The other path is to basically turn into some completely different company, throwing money at unrelated pursuits such as AI and hoping that you get lucky. But what gives Mozilla any edge with that?
I agree 100% that tech debt isn't bad code, and was never meant to suggest it. But that train left the station long ago, and now even experienced programmers call bad code tech debt. The term now has no fixed or shared meaning, especially not among people who aren't programmers. To my mind, continuing to use it, despite having long ago lost most power to convey a specific idea, is wasteful. Worse, because it has no fixed meaning, it can be and is used to mean almost anything that, as the article notes, "feels bad".

Perhaps it's a matter of my own personal experiences, where "tech debt" was applied to all kinds of things. If the business leadership determined some work to be tech debt, programmers were penalized for spending more than 10% of their time on it. In accounting terms, the business equated "tech debt" with operating expenses, and the business was rabid about reducing OpEx in their programming/IT department.
If it had exact copies they would have showed it could recall the 8th paragraph or something. Even google and the nyt release the first paragraph for free.
You're right actually. Have you seen how many Australian coffee shops there are in New York? Crikey! Changing America one cup of flat white at a time. Tough work.
What does Maersk know about shipping or ship building, those bloody amateurs? /s
There are, in fact, reasons to believe that. Nothing definitive of course. But the fact that we haven't been absorbed by a von neumann swarm or something like it places strict limits on the prevalence of life and/or what stages that life can achieve. One would either have to belive that intelligent life is vastly less likely than non-intelligent life, or that life itself is quite rare, or that life simply hasn't been around for much longer than life on earth.
A very important and often neglected decision is that he decided NOT to sell when the price was lower (although still high).

For main street retail investors , that's the most difficult thing to do.
I don't know what I'd do if Firefox died. Maybe it's time Firefox starts diversifying itself away from Mozilla.
They don’t need to inspect individual products, but they should be able to verify anyone selling supplements is who they say they are.

Verification only needs to be good enough to stop low effort fraud. This is entirely doable.

They also need to ensure the product you buy comes directly from the seller you bought from.

They need to prevent counterfeits from random sellers getting added to inventory of legitimate companies.

Separating inventory by seller is 100% doable. My company manages it. It just costs more.
This seems dangerously close to spawning a new busy beaver type inefficient resource utilization game
Here are some popular ones. Now, in two of these cases, they can be dev-dependencies, but even there, it makes me angry, since all of those deps have to be downloaded to my machine, and can run any random code they want at install time (which is why Node projects should always be run in some kind of sandbox).

https://npm.anvaka.com/#/view/2d/jest

https://npm.anvaka.com/#/view/2d/tailwind

https://npm.anvaka.com/#/view/2d/aws-sdk
I dont like Mozilla, I like firefox... I am using it right now.

One of the reasons firefox is dying is because they are chasing market share and not listening to the users at all.

They look at Edge, Chrome, etc and try to duplicate them hoping to peel off users.

They look everything under the sun but what the actual users of their actual product want... Us users they just ignore us.
It's weird to me that in every other comment thread on Hacker News, people say "good software should do one thing and do it well". And then the topic moves to NPM, and suddenly everyone loses their mind?
I would love to believe that..

Same as next year will be the year of mass adoption of Linux by consumers.

Yet history and trends point in the other direction
Forget scapegoating one group or another as "the" problem. A lasting solution to the diffuse solidarity, fair pay, and job security problems with the tech industry is worker-owned co-ops and nonprofits. Without the people doing the work that make the profits having equal participation in policy and ownership in the profits, there will always be a layer who does little to nothing yet demands more money. The problem is too many tech people presume they're making what they're worth when they're making wildly varying amounts with little or no security. Highly-productive shops with good morale and fairness will retain good people for longer than shitty places subject to the whims of golden parachute types, publicly-traded stock investors, and board of directors who are also majority owners.
Every brick and mortar store has to assert the safety and legality of everything they sell or else risk serious liability.

From what I can tell, Amazon does not present itself as a farmer's or flea market, yet it tries to limit its liability by pretending it does. To the average consumer things purchased from it come "from amazon", as compared to ebay which makes it much more obvious you are purchasing from a particular person or shop.

Amazon really tries to have its cake and eat it too here, and it sort of blows my mind that consumer product safety regulators haven't clamped down on this.

It's really one thing to have basically anything available on ebay/aliexpress/others (consumer trust is much lower) and another to be a huge retailer (just like walmart) and yet to be able to sell whatever unsafe stuff you want (unlike walmart).
Until we stop building and burning coal for power “radiation” is not an excuse because coal power puts off far more radiation then TMI ever did even with a partial meltdown
Dunno - but my guess is that the price will be what the market will bear...

I think Spotify vs Napster is a good example, content creators in news (the Journalists) are already in a hard place (vs. successful rock stars preinternet) I think that the news providers are rather like the music lables.
Children's Guide to Deperimeterization
Oh wow, I didn't know it went that for back. But I am fairly sure I only noticed it in shops around 15 years ago as I said. Okay, maybe 20 or a bit more.
Firefox might be dead soon but Mozilla will probably live on as a VPN company. Opera is also like that. The original browser is dead, replaced by a Chromium reskin, and they're making money from microlending in Africa instead.
Thanks, that paper is arguing something very different from what I'm used to seeing so that alone makes it worth a look. It's nice to see that not everyone is taking it as a given that humans are irrational.
> T. Why should it matter to legality that the tech isn't good enough for the goal?

Because if it is not good enough, then it is not a market substitute.

The laws cares if it is a market substitute and if there are damages. If it sucks, then there aren't damages, which matters for the 4th factor of fair use.
"Orange smoke. Don't breathe this."

(The color is characteristic of nitrogen dioxide, which is a breakdown product of many hypergolic propellants.)
> I have accounts on all of these providers so testing deliverability is trivial. You could argue that testing deliverability with one account is unreliable but in my experience it simply is not. Usually you send a couple emails across a week and if they all go through you are good.

No, it's not trivial, and no, it doesn't work like that. It's fairly easy to get a test email to your own gmail/hotmail/office365 account delivered. It doesn't mean your other emails get delivered.

For example, when I needed to send out a link for my wedding photographs to my wedding guests, I did exactly what you suggested: I sent a few test emails to Gmail and Hotmail test accounts that I had set up, confirmed that they delivered, and then proceeded to send the actual email which had a link and like 50 people in the BCC field. Guess what happened: all the Gmail accounts placed my email in the spam folder. So then I had to later send another email, using a different email provider, asking people to check their spam boxes for the link (this time not including the link in the body of the email with the hope that it would increase the chances of delivery).

Note that this particular anecdote is not of self hosting email, it was using Migadu (I was initially not trusting that they can deliver email properly, so I ran those tests like you suggested, concluded that they seem to be delivering email, and then my actual real email was not delivered).