skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
The App Store is a separate issue. If you want to talk about opening that up, I'm game.

The issue here is the iMessage service. Throughout this thread, I have not seen anyone give a single example from US history (monopoly or otherwise) where a company has been forced to provide free access to a service -- at their own expense -- to the customers of their competitors. It's unprecedented!

It's just like airport VIP lounges. Should an airline that offers free VIP lounge access for their business and first class ticket-holders be forced to allow customers of competitor airlines to use their VIP lounge for free? After all, you can meet people in a VIP lounge so there are networking effects. Yet it really doesn't seem right that an airline who built and maintains a VIP lounge at their own expense (rental space in an airport is NOT CHEAP) should be forced to give away access to that space for free to competitors' customers.

How is the iMessage case any different?

Edit: I should also add that I bet Apple can produce a TON of data from usage patterns to show that iMessage in no way harms competitive messaging products on iPhones. Messenger, WhatsApp, Signal, Snapchat, and countless other messaging products are doing just fine on the iPhone, so I doubt the "bundling" argument holds any water. As for how iMessage affects the Android market? Since when is it against the law to add free features/services to your products in order to distinguish them from your competitors' offerings?

Microsoft lost their antitrust case over IE because they harmed Netscape's browser business on Windows. Bundling IE with Windows had no affect on the Mac/Linux/Unix business and the case was never about that.
I still remember my CompuServe user id 25+ years since I last used it.
Double Union is a women-only makerspace in the Mission in San Francisco because there's something about makerspaces that they seem to trend in that direction, so a women-only makerspace is necessary.

https://doubleunion.org/
His government is basically one of the US's many lapdogs, so for all intents and purposes, he is whatever the US wants him to be.
You only need a linear increase in number of error-corrected qubits to get exponential gains on the limited subset of problems they can improve, whereas Moore's law has provided an exponential increase in the number of elements for classical computers.

So, Moore's law isn't needed for something similar to Moore's law gains in quantum computing, a linear Moore's law will do if quantum error correction doesn't face scaling laws for the whole ensemble.

That might mean they only keep pace with classical computing if Moore's law continues to hold there, but eventually that hits the Landauer limit without new physics (or possibly reversible computing).
Ah, I see, they have changed it (or possibly the version on my system has had the --will-cite patched out, as discussed in this bug).

Okay, I accept your argument about Free Software. However, I find it interesting that it's a GNU project... they are generally the most hardline Free Software people.
This link is to the iMessage bridge that they open sourced 10 (edit: 2) days ago. Has anything changed since then, or is this a duplicate of this?

Edit: 700+ comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38722246

Edit: correct link: https://blog.beeper.com/p/imessage-and-phone-registration-ar...
Can we get a title fix?
People say only teenagers are keyed into it, but I’ve gotten comments from people in their 40s that my Android phone was lame or “I don’t know why you bought that thing”. Not to the extent that it affected my relationships with them though.
Yeah, I agree over all. I credit his C# 3.0 reference in giving me a huge head start after I graduated from college.
If code has been released as open source then the code is out there now. Seems too late to stop. I would also question if apple has any benefit in launching an android app. iMessage is interesting to apple as long as it forces people to buy apple products.
It will have about zero horizontal velocity, or whatever ambient wind speed. For orbit, it would need 21000 kph.
And what do you do when your interpretation is correct and the LLM is incorrect, contradicting you, but you aren't sure who's correct and who isn't?
It's quite refreshing! I think you don't need to go very far back in time to feel disconnected from film because of the different frame rate making people move in jerky ways. It's like a stop-motion animation almost, and the lack of detail in the imagery removes us from subtle body language like slumping or the detail of emotion in someone's face. Getting some of that back in old film is such a gift.
NASA releases audio of what a black hole 'sounds' like [video]
The issue is calling xmas() in main before it's defined. Compiling with GCC on macOS gives the error:

xmas.c:16:5: error: call to undeclared function 'xmas'; ISO C99 and later do not support implicit function declarations [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
xmas(2, 2, "");

Moving main() to the bottom compiles and executes with the proper output.
I increasingly find myself using pplx.ai, phind, and bard; never chatgpt.
This whole debate seems asinine to me. Erik must know he's in the wrong here. The idea that we can force any company to allow third party clients to their service by regulation is an obviously bad idea. Just because Beeper (probably) isn't doing something shady with user data doesn't mean Apple must be required to trust them.

What if I make a 3rd party client that actively records my users' iMessages and sells them to Facebook? Should Apple be required to support my app too? If not, are they expected to audit and vouch for every third party client? If yes, how is Apple supposed to make any claims about the security of iMessage if I have no control over the client my recipient might be using?

The whole interoperable API argument comes from the same place as "encryption where the good guys have keys," yet somehow demands for interoperability seem to be much more popular on HN. The E2E in E2E encryption stands for end-to-end, which inherently requires trusting both ends. Otherwise you might as well not have encryption.

Note that whether or not companies should be required to support third party clients is a different debate than whether or not Apple should be required to support Android, even if the end result happens to be similar in this case. I think most people defending Beeper are interested in the latter and are willing to burn down encryption to get it via the former. As a user, sure I'd love for my Android friends to use iMessage too. But this is not the way.

(To be clear, I don't think we should regulate that Apple has to support Android either. If I develop a new OS, would every company be required to build a client for their service for my new OS too? But at least I understand the merits of that debate.)
As a teen, I used to enjoy playing around with the limits of what I could do with Amiga C-Net's MCI commands as well as the standard terminal ANSI escape codes.

I used to enjoy posting comments with those sequences embedded to make the reader think they had left the forums and were now elsewhere on the BBS. They eventually gave me co-sysop access so I could write games, which is when I really started programming for others.

Now I do mostly UX design and implementation. I miss the simplicity of 80x24.
Imagine what he would have thought of AI-driven programming.
> should be allowed to keep it exclusive.

Not what I asked. Let's take as a given that they are allowed to keep it exclusive. The question is why should them?

I am also not interested in "it makes sense for their business". Unless you are an Apple employee or a significant stockholder, why would anyone prefer iMessage to be exclusive?
To slippery slope this, what happens if more tools start adopting this behavior? Curl now asks you to buy Daniel Stenberg a coffee on each use. Wget asks you to support Ukraine. Caddy wants you to invest in their startup. Each of which may come with their own `--ignore-annoyance-flag` I need to learn. The best I can do is vote with my feet.

I also do not care for the citation requirement. I utilize tons of tools in my work which go unstated. I do not feel the need to cite Linux, DNS, htop, Make, Diet Coke, my Kinesis keyboard, etc. Sadly, reliable plumbing gets no respect. Especially for a tool which is more or less interchangeable with some shell scripting. Unless I am trying to shore up the references list, I am going to cite directly relevant work.

At some point, you no longer need to note that your work was powered by electricity.
Everyone remembers Compuserve for pioneering the GIF, but I remember when they were one of the first companies to distribute compressed audio. In 1994, Aerosmith decided they wanted to be the first band to release a single as a digital download before it was available for retail sale. They chose their single “Head First” to release, and partnered with Compuserve for distribution. As this was several years before the invention of the mp3, it was available a wav file that used a proprietary compression codec that you had to download separately. This article says it was a 90 minute download for a 3 minute 5mb song. I had a 14.4k modem at the time, my unreliable memory says that it was closer to 15mb and took overnight, but 90 mins for 5mb on a 14k line appears to check out.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/6vapxr/go-aerosmith-how-head...
Their way of detecting testing? They put the GPS coordinates of the testing centers in the car's computers, and the car would change to emissions complaint mode when it was in the area of the testing centers.

In non Clown World, everyone responsible for it would be in jail and the company shut down.
Totally off topic, but it struck me that it would be funny to try to map out the world with thousands (millions?) of Roombas.
Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about that earlier bit from Spaceballs!
Large language models direct automated chemistry laboratory
> Who determines what is considered a race? Who decides what’s “racist”? Who decides when the “no racism” law is enforced?

The judge. Feel free to argue your case in court. No law is black and white. Judges and juries get to decide on their application every single date.
"I have a strong dislike for scammers, I worry about elderly and the vulnerable (my parents) but I don't know the conditions that led them to that place."

Greed.
Commercial units coupled with a heat pump rival ground source heat pumps at a massive 4 - 5 COP. They even heat water and can take in solar heat piping.

https://www.nilan.fi/tuotteet/poistoilmalampopumput/vgu/vgu-...
2nd this, would be great with vi/vim bindings
Is there any detailed information anyone can find on what they allegedly did, at a technical level? "Defeat device" is such a broad category of term that it's useless for understanding the details of what it's claimed they did.

The Justice.gov writeup [0] isn't any better.

> The company allegedly installed defeat devices on 630,000 model year 2013 to 2019 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines. The company also allegedly installed undisclosed auxiliary emission control devices on 330,000 model year 2019 to 2023 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines.

I'd be interested in reading technical details on what, exactly, they did or didn't supposedly do.

[0]: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-attorney-general-me...
The Ultimate Hiker's Gear Guide: Tools and Techniques to Hit the Trail (2nd Ed)
As a professional adult I have never come across anyone who has ever commented on someone else’s phone positive or negative or neutral except once in a while someone gets the just released latest and greatest Y and someone may say “oh you got the latest and greatest Y phone, cool, how do you like it?” and that’s it.

I can’t imagine interacting with someone professionally who even thinks for one second positively or negatively about someone based on their phone choice, from five year old Androids to yesterday’s iPhone pro.
If you have the most powerful model by far like they have, it's a radical adantage over competitors: your model can perform automatizations that they cannot do.

OpenAI's lead is phenomenal: remember that they managed to put GPT4 on top of the leaderboard for one year and counting, while all others (except maybe Anthropic) struggle to have their model in the top3 for more than a few months.
You miss the part about his Universal Basic Income experiment with 3000 families set to conclude in 2024. Will be interesting to see Sam go all-in, provided results are positive.
False dichotomy. The choices aren't "100% open" or "great firewall of $country".

This happens all the time in every country.
Other 'defeat device' cases from other manufacturers have been software related, and down to the fact that the system only puts effort into reducing NOX emissions when under test conditions. When under typical use conditions, instead the engine prefers high power output and efficiency, and pumps out 10x or more NOX than allowed.

A little like students who cram a subject just before the test and then forget it all afterwards.

In both cases, there was no requirement to have all the knowledge/have low NOX emissions outside the test - but regulators kinda assumed that they would.
Because it's their right to, and there's no good reason why they should be forced to open it up. It's all the little rights that add together to arrive at the vibrant ecosystem we have now. Apple had and still has the right to create a closed, but coherent ecosystem that consumers are willing to pay a (arguably small) premium to enter with the promise that the quality advertised is the quality received. Taking away that choice from those consumers does not appear to gain back much in other ways. Would Android users be happier? Yes. But there's no evidence that Apple users would be better off _in the long term_. In the short term, both sides might be happier, but that would be shortsighted thinking. It would be removing a reason for Apple to develop future first-party apps that serve as a counterweight to apps owned by corporations interested in selling ad space.

There's also no evidence that iMessage is anti-competitive and a true lock-in experience. People talk about network effects, but iMessage is only a significant messaging app in one country in the entire world. The rest of the world uses a mix of other apps. This is true even in Japan, where iPhones are popular. If people want to use another app, they can. Let the people choose.
I may just be old and jaded but I don't think most people that call themselves progressive are progressive at all. I see two main camps dominating the progressive movement these days and they could broadly be grouped as butthurt marxists and "I support the latest thing (because I am consciously or subconsciously working for my own interests from a libertarian bent)". The butthurt marxists bought the insane idea that critical theory is capable of uncovering any sort of knowledge and applied it outside of class to other groups that might help them tear the whole world down and so like suffering because it creates people with nothing to lose to support their destructive cause. The libertarians just want to keep amassing wealth and don't see the obvious outcome of capitalism is market power exploitation through oligopoly/monopoly because it is in their interest not to see this (because the solution is break up companies with market power so smaller companies can compete vigorously). Both these groups say they care about the median person/family but both of these groups have incentive to make things worse for the median person/family and I see no reason anyone should think being labelled a progressive is a good thing anymore. Instead support individual liberty strongly tempered by market power mitigation more akin to what the USA was doing in the 50's and 60's agressively breaking up larger companies abusing oligopolies/monopolies.
I said "think hard", not "shut up", then she may realize that Hamas role in death of her kids is significant, and she is a puppet for Hamas propaganda. The same is relevant to you btw.
> I dislike being responsible for anything or doing any maintenance

Unfortunately so do a lot of property owners who rent out the spaces.
Now and always, yes. You can read any mass media newspaper website and you will find global warming theory advocacy left and right. Whatever little greenwashing they publish paid by big oil pales in comparison to that.

The nytimes has an entire section dedicated to it: https://www.nytimes.com/section/climate

And this article on the front page right now: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/23/us/politics/electric-vehi...
Childhood Brain Growth Linked to Gut Microbiome
>Differential responses of the gut microbiome and resistome to antibiotic exposures in infants and adults

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-44289-6

Abstract

Despite their crucial importance for human health, there is still relatively limited knowledge on how the gut resistome changes or responds to antibiotic treatment across ages, especially in the latter case. Here, we use fecal metagenomic data from 662 Danish infants and 217 young adults to fill this gap. The gut resistomes are characterized by a bimodal distribution driven by E. coli composition. The typical profile of the gut resistome differs significantly between adults and infants, with the latter distinguished by higher gene and plasmid abundances. However, the predominant antibiotic resistance genes (ARGs) are the same. Antibiotic treatment reduces bacterial diversity and increased ARG and plasmid abundances in both cohorts, especially core ARGs. The effects of antibiotic treatments on the gut microbiome last longer in adults than in infants, and different antibiotics are associated with distinct impacts. Overall, this study broadens our current understanding of gut resistome dynamics and the impact of antibiotic treatment across age groups.
Ice control products used at airports can increase phosphorus in waterways
Beeper open sourced the iMessage bridge about 2 days ago: https://blog.beeper.com/p/imessage-and-phone-registration-ar... (although I realized one hour ago, that's why I posted it!)
Okay that argument makes sense. The culture cannot change overnight when majority of your population is not educated. So what do you propose we do till then? Give free speech to everyone and let it all burn down?
Israel cut power and water they provided before to the territory which attacked them. Sounds like many countries did such thing in the past.
Hey! It looks like you're trying to avoid plagarism!
Used this book in the network science course at Georgia Tech, it was really good (the class and the book).
Just based on the most cursory look, which took less time than it took you to write your comment (considering the links you added taking more time than typing…), they are different repositories by different people for different things.
I really like iMessage. I don't get spam on it, it's feature rich, and many of my friends use it.

I'd love to see Apple bring it to Android/Windows, but I'm okay with Apple limiting third-party clients. Usually I'm a strong supporter of open APIs, third party clients, etc., but I just don't want the platform to become full of spam like SMS is.

I think the more interesting question is: why do some think that Apple has some obligation to open up iMessage to the world? There is plenty of competition when it comes to messaging apps.

Apple sees a business advantage by keeping the platform closed, so it is a very reasonable decision to not allow third-party clients. There are many problems in tech; iMessage being closed does not rank high on my list.
Show HN: Chat with Mixtrals – AI Characters That Make Art
Are they happy?
Oh god, when I build a dataset I manually go a lot of it to make sure it is in good shape. I will go through thousands of rows of data otherwise I don't get the result I need.

Think of people going through all of these private conversations they've had in ChatGPT. I mean we know that it isn't fully private but it can still be a bit delicate. Hopefully they anonymize it at least.
I think most people who think Beeper Mini was a bad idea think that independently of any opinion about iMessage exclusivity. I support higher fidelity cross platform communication. Whether that's over iMessage or RCS, I don't care.

I don't support the idea that anyone is entitled to steal from another company to run their business, even if it's a $3T company they're stealing from.
Let me turn it around, why should Apple be forced to open it up? I don't really quite understand why iMessage is being treated as some almighty program that those who don't have it are left feeling inferior. It's just about the same as any other messaging app I've used. I sort of get the argument that it has an advantage on iPhones by being the app that handles SMS, but that doesn't seem like a reason to force them to put it on Android. It seems weird to force a developer to make an app for a given platform. If I being really conspiratorial, it seems that all this attention towards forcing Apple to port their app has covered up Google's continued lackluster efforts, and I wonder if there's not an intention behind that.
Have any Hollywood level movies done this? I know they did it with ST:TNG.
> There's a reason it was called the enlightenment, it was always about seeing how things should be, not how things are.

And I probably broadly agree with you about that "should be". But when someone does not agree with us, it becomes just a personal value judgement. If someone makes the opposite value judgement -- for instance that our species is a blight on Gaia, and they prefer to identify with Gaia -- our preference has no more "natural" weight than preferring chocolate to vanilla. I wish it did.
Culture War Predictions for 2024
A list of culture war predictions for 2024, curious what you guys think/where I might be wrong. Feel free to rip to shreds.
I love it! I’ve been circling around a similar set of ideas, although my version integrates with the web-based ChatGPT:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38244883

There are some pros and cons to that. I’m intrigued by your stand-alone MacOS app.
This was one of a short list of things I missed from Android.

How did I miss the iOS version?

Christmas came early this year!